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One from me too...[edit]

Invisible Barnstar.png The Invisible Barnstar
You are to Did You Know what Raul654 is to Today's Featured Article- you keep Wikipedia running through maintaining our most visible page, usually updating many times per day. You're an asset to Wikipedia in a way that very few others are. J Milburn (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, I've hopefully dealt with it now. J Milburn (talk) 11:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

That's okay[edit]

I was going to add one I was rescuing from the expiry pool, but then I found a really nice pic to go with it and I figure it would be better in the lead. So maybe next time. I think you'll be finished with the update by the time I get this pic uploaded anyhow :) Gatoclass (talk) 04:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) Feel free to finish the update, I've just promoted all the easy ones. I don't generally prepare updates until they're getting late-ish anyhow, so I won't be doing any more to the update for a few hours at least. BTW I don't think the woodcut and the WWII hooks go well together, so hopefully someone will move them apart when some more hooks are added. Fixed. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


Mmm, that one's got me scratching my head. I definitely didn't mean to revert it. I suspect I must have accidentally edited an old version of the page to make my desired edit, so by all means feel free to put the hyphen back in :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Queeens Own Oxfordshire Hussars[edit]

Thanks for the DYK Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much[edit]

I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your generosity in bestowing DYK bouquets on my Wikipedia contributions. I am honoured that you believe my contributions are worthy of such consideration. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

You feel... honoured?? I hope you are not thinking I am really "Her Majesty", are you? :-D Not a big deal, as long as you play by the rules you will get a place here. Keep up the good work. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi BorgQueen - I've started working as a DYK reviewer since last weekend, and I am concerned that I'm nitpicking and not being well-grounded in policy when commenting. I'm trying to help, and I don't want to end up causing problems. What is your opinion, and how can I improve? Vishnava talk 20:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I really have to go offline now, I will comment after a few hours. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


Can you look into the activities on Template:Did you know/Next update By an IP address ? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It was a mistake from my side. Usually we dont see activity on the DYK pages with IP address, I mistook it as a vandal blanking the page. I suspected it as I saw another user also reverting the edits by the IP. My bad ! Sorry :( -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Eaters of the Dead.jpg)[edit]

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Reducing systemic bias on wikipedia...[edit]

OK then, choose one...
40px This user loves durian.


40px No matter how hard this user tries, they cannot stomach durian.

Casliber 11:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL --BorgQueen (talk) 04:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I just can't..I tried...I just gag every time I smell the things now.... :( Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Angler Fish.jpg[edit]

The image is a copyright violation. Check the Flickr page- the Flickr user has taken it from a blog, who no doubt took it from a scientific paper or documentary. J Milburn (talk) 11:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Sigh, I replaced the pic. You can trust no one these days... --BorgQueen (talk) 12:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Image:Cellular Fish cropped.jpg also looks like a copyvio. Check the source. J Milburn (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Replaced again. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for removing the non-free image on my DYK earlier on today (see June 2 articles). Thats one rule thats useful to know. Any comments on the DYK itself? Thank, your help much appreciated. J.T Pearson (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

User:ELNUMERO1 needs to be permanently blocked[edit]

You are one of the best administrators around. I need your help. User:ELNUMERO1 needs to be permanently blocked. Just check his or her talk page and edit history, and you'll see what I mean. Flyer22 (talk) 01:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. If you are too busy to look into this user, I'll understand and will seek help from another. Flyer22 (talk) 20:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, I forgot about it. Probably it is a good idea to contact someone else.. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dans ma chair[edit]

Hi BorgQueen and thank you for your DYK nomination and your message on my talk page ! ;-) Europe22 (talk) 18:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:GW Bush cabinet[edit]

The US Trade Representative won't show, do you know how to extend to box one more? Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Uri-On DYK[edit]

The nicely worded hook and nomination are very nice, as is the message you left me about it. Thank you. MichaelNetzer (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

6/6 DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 6 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Time Banking, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford Pray 22:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


How did you know I wuz hangin' round?

Yeah, sure I was going to do the notifications myself anyway, but thought I'd wait to see if you were going to save me the trouble :b Gatoclass (talk) 11:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

!!! :-D !!! --BorgQueen (talk) 12:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 7 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Opium (perfume), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congrats. You've been doing so many updates lately, I figured I'd better promote this one when I had the chance to save you the embarassment of having to promote your own hook! ;) --Gatoclass (talk) 12:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Similar hooks[edit]

My method of dealing with these hooks is to separate them strictly on the basis of the hook content itself, not the article. My reason for separating those last two hooks was not actually clear - the reason I separated them is because there were two references to US TV programs together - Star Trek and The Incredible Hulk.

I really don't see any point in trying to separate hooks based on the content of the articles themselves, it will just become impossible that way. Gatoclass (talk) 19:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the fact that they are Americans is not mentioned in the hook. That's the important thing. It just looks bad when the US (or any other subject) gets mentioned in consecutive hooks, it doesn't really matter if the content of the article itself has some relationship with the next hook. If we start trying to separate hooks on the latter basis, we will go nuts! Gatoclass (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hook characters[edit]

I'm a new reviewer at the Template talk:DYK and I had a few questions: Is 200 the maximum characters capacity in a hook, do you count the "... " as a character, and is this a good site to test the character capacity of a hook? Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for drawing my attention to Clinton Jencks in the DYK section. I thought it was an interesting story... one of those... "small world, isn't it?" kind of things! A E Francis (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Next update[edit]

Sorry for not helping out with the last couple of updates. I could have done but I got distracted by some other stuff and completely forgot to come back and help out as I intended to. If you like I will do the next round of notifications. Can't promise to do much more than that though as I could use an early night tonight. Gatoclass (talk) 12:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


so I don't really understand what you did to that image. what does it mean to protect it? Is it a violation of some sort. I really did take it on my own camera in a public space. DaronDierkes (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I protected the image because it was being featured on Main Page. All the images featured on Main Page are protected in order to prevent vandalism. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Eberswalde Hoard[edit]

Thank you! athinaios | Talk 19:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)



BQ: On behalf of Lawrence C. Wroth and me, thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

... and Abel Buell. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Uri-On DYK Gratitude[edit]

Pink rose albury botanical gardens.jpg - Many thanks for the successful nomination - and also for all the nice work you do here... on behalf of User:Acidburn24m and myself. -- MichaelNetzer (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Richard Stern / Deletion[edit]

Hello, I picked you at random out of the administrators list. This message is in regards to the Richard Stern page, which has been voted by a clear majority for deletion over the five day voting period, but no administrator has gone ahead and clicked "delete." I was hoping you might help. Thank you. Lazydork (talk) 16:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

protection request[edit]

Based on this fanmail that has accumulated over the past 2 days - [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] - I formally request the semi-protection of User:Vishnava, User:Vishnava/SpaceBar and User:Vishnava/huggle.css. Vishnava talk 21:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, user: is attacking my user talk page. I've warned him for vandalism and personal attacks. Vishnava talk 21:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Please try Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Cozy Dog Update[edit]

I was just looking at it and saw hot dog on a stick was linked, however it was linked to a company called Hot Dog on a Stick Enterprises. I didn't know if it was intentional, but I might suggest piping to corn dog. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 07:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
That was my fault, didn't check the link, I just assumed when I wikilinked "hot dog on a stick" and it went blue that I'd hit the jackpot :p Gatoclass (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Damn you all for mentioning corndogs, now I'm craving one! :) BorgQueen, good work on everything you do, I was just browsing your talk page (after seeing all the wacky vandalism in the history of Cheese, hehe) and thought I'd just drop a quick hello! Weasel5i2 (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Update length[edit]

That is weird, it's definitely a line or two too long on my screen. Do you use the default skin? Gatoclass (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It may be that you have a different aspect ratio then. I still use a standard CRT monitor because I can't stand the LCD's, but a lot of screens these days have a wider aspect ratio which probably explains it. Gatoclass (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, yes, I suppose so.. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Please semi-protect Durian[edit]

Enough said, just check the history... Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 06:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Today's FA[edit]

Thanks for manually converting the sizes formats for today's FA in the mainpage Durian. I'm not sure what it was about the mainpage that made the extraordinarily ugly "(Expression error: Unexpected < operator in)" appear, but you made it go away nicely. Well done.

Witty Lama 10:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It is very strange because the error didn't appear on my screen. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

�::perhaps it's a browser thing? I'm using safari and I see you use Firefox... who knows. Witty Lama 11:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

No escape[edit]

Thanks for the DYK notice, I didn't even know the article had been nominated, pouring through the history of the suggestions I see you were the one who nominated. Thank you, exposure for such an little recognized topic/problem is as important as trying to accurately document it. --Aujourd'hui, maman est morte (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


DYK Medal.svg The DYK Medal
Awarded to BorgQueen for tireless updating and maintenance of DYK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Congrats, BQ. Speaking as someone who is still awaiting his 100 DYK medal, I know how good it feels to get medals.--Bedford Pray 02:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


you had second thoughts about re-extending your schoolblock after only one instance of vandalism, just thought I should let you know - your instincts were right. blocked for another 3 months. cheers =) (though I don't disagree with your giving them a proper chance to prove themselves unworthy of anon privileges). xenocidic (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

p.s., you really ought be displaying this userbox. ;p xenocidic (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

successful DYK nom[edit]

Updated DYK query On 15 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tomotaka Takahashi, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom[edit]

Updated DYK query On 16 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Faerie (DC Comics), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for helping out with the noms, we need the variety! --Gatoclass (talk) 07:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Like you to take a look at...[edit]

Hey, thought you might like to take a look at User: Underageboys. You might want to delete it. It's disgusting. -- (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Heads up[edit]

I just wanted to let you know, since we both work on DYK, that I'll be on vacation next week from Wednesday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, and therefore won't be able to help during that time.--Bedford Pray 18:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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Just curious[edit]

Are you doing the next DYK? Only because I've got one sitting in the June 14 expired pile that was never verified and only got one fixable comment. Is it possible that one could be in the next update? Because its sort of ridiculous when its ignored, or even less verified. I posted on T:TDYK asking why, but no one's noticed. Its the Orange County Route 9 one.Mitch32contribs 09:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I am sure someone will verify it soon. Please be patient. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Just a little on my nerves, that's all.Mitch32contribs 09:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


On List of English words containing Q not followed by U, I made a non-constructive edit, but did not intend to save it. Honestly, it was to entertain a friend. I'm so sorry that "enter" was pressed; I didn't intend for that to happen. Please understand, it will not happen again; if you need convincing, feel free to look at my contribs, most of them are reverting vandalism. I'm extremely sorry; it will never happen again. Leonard^Bloom (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK Credits[edit]

I'm doing them right now, thanks. Keilana|Parlez ici 06:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I've just finished them. Thanks again for the help. Keilana|Parlez ici 07:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


BQ, thank you for the John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford dyk. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK ruling[edit]

Hi - could you please give a ruling on the issue with "Can you hear me"'s nom? I've proposed a fresh suggestion that needs input. Vishnava talk 18:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I will leave it to someone else. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK on ANI[edit]

I thought this may interest you, seeing your involvement with the DYK selection. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Omid Tahvili[edit]

Thanks for the note. As for the Omid Tahvili article, all I can say is, "Wow." What was the hook for that if you remember? Cbl62 (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not sure about how five-fold expansion works, but I think that I may have five-fold-expanded the article Psephophorus. (It was 1,387 bytes long when I started, and it's just less than 7,500 bytes long now.) Can I nominate a fact from this article in the Did You Know? discussions? I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Solution for delays in DYK updates[edit]

Hi - check it out - as per the discussion at WT:DYK#Solution for delays in DYK updates, I've created 3 test model template (albeit rudimentary; feel free to improve design): {{DYKUpdateRED}}, {{DYKUpdateGreen}}, {{DYKUpdateYellow}} Vishnava talk 04:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Percival Goodman[edit]

Thank you for the DYK for Percival Goodman; it was my first new article of any length so I am glad (and relieved) that others found it interesting.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Maria Kotarba for DYK[edit]

Thank you. Much appreciated. Would you please include your new Main Page update as of 14:01, 28 June 2008 in the Recent additions Archive Cheers, Poeticbent talk 16:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. I am going to do that soon enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
  • By the way, the claim made by our German friend about the German copyrights for concentration camp images seems like a stretch without a single source to support that, especially against the policies of a number of international agencies proving otherwise. --Poeticbent talk 20:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


Greetings! I am currently involved in a FAC for the "vital" article Archaea, but am thinking ahead to pushing Fungus through FAC as well. I checked the edit count for that page, and you were far an away the top editor. My question: Is this the result of feeling competent in mycology, or more the result of fighting vandalism? If I decided to take the Fungus article through FAC, would you feel experienced enough to aid with research and editing? --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Durian gelato[edit]

Hi. Were you aware of this image? You probably have too many images of Durian in the "Uses" section already, but as Queen of all things Durian (no offense), it should probably be moved to Category:Durian on commons so people can at least access it from the link at the bottom of the article. Viriditas (talk) 09:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The image quality is not too good... Thanks for the note anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Heh. I feel silly for failing to anticipate that response, but you're right. Then again, the quality is no better than Image:Durianlog.JPG, so I'll probably add it to the commons anyway. Viriditas (talk) 12:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
You're right. I just added the log image to the section thinking that it is better than nothing... I hope people in Singapore will be more careful when taking pictures next time. :-D My old digital camera will probably give something better than those. Perhaps I should try if I happen to visit SE Asia. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help![edit]

Hey thanks for the help changing Tan Teck Meng's reflist to double-columned. I didn't know the command to do that :) --Samuel Tan (talk) 00:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Marie Studholme[edit]

Thanks for the edit - looking at the guideline, I think you quoted only part of it. "Photographs and other graphics should always have captions, unless they are "self-captioning" (such as reproductions of album or book covers) or when they are unambiguous depictions of the subject of the article. For example, in a biography article, a caption is not mandatory for a portrait of the subject pictured alone, but might contain the name of the subject and additional information relevant to the image, such as the year or the subject's age." ciao Rotational (talk) 13:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the DYK. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Wales[edit]

You sure you should have deleted that one? I thought it was an en.wikipedia image? Gatoclass (talk) 14:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll do the credits, since you've been doing most of the work lately.
BTW, apologies for not helping out much over the last few days. I got deeply ticked off by the accusations of plagiarism and felt I just didn't want to be responsible for promoting possibly plagiarized content to the front page. So until that got sorted out I thought I'd sit on the sidelines for a while.
It appears though, that it's more or less going to be business as usual for the time being, so I guess I might start helping out again, at least to a degree. Because it looks like the plagiarism problem is obviously not going to be fixed for a while. Gatoclass (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll let you finish them then. Gatoclass (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. Gatoclass (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I wondered if there was a reason why you did not choose the double nom for "... that Pakistani actress Maria Wasti played a role depicting philanthropist and Lenin Peace Prize winner Bilquis Edhi?" I'm pleased someone found a source for the Peace Prize, I couldnt find one and even the one offered led nowhere. If you had just highlighted Bilquis Edhi then it would have acknowledged the new article. If its an oversight then obviously no prob .... but should it be proposed again? Victuallers (talk) 15:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Bilquis Edhi wasn't bolded. You might want to re-nominate it. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
BQ I see it wasnt you who chose the single unapproved hook (didnt seem like you ... apologies). Thx for advice Victuallers (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


[7] There is an image of Red Auerbach. Should the image be added? « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 15:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


Thank you, BorgQueen, for the Stonerose Interpretive Center and Fossil Site DYK. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


It's not long on my screen, in fact it's exactly the right length! Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, seems there's no way to tell how it looks on different screens, because previously you were telling me my updates were too short!
Anyhow, I trimmed one of the hooks back a clause, which has shortened it by a line on my screen, so it should look slightly shorter on yours too hopefully. Gatoclass (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I pulled one per your and Bench's comments. The update looks ridiculously short on my screen now, but I'm trusting it looks okay on yours. If it looks too short when it's ready to post, just undo my last edit and you'll have it back as it was.
I'm logging off for a while now, so I probably won't be around to post the update or continue this conversation. Bye for now, Gatoclass (talk) 07:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thxBQVictuallers (talk) 16:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Aargh! Timezones!![edit]

Dammit, they always go up when I am asleep (the quarter when Russula nigricans was up, that is...). I am on the east ocast of Australia....did wake up and get to see Hygrocybe coccinea though :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


Oh boo, I was in the middle of trying to sort out some more hooks. Never mind, yeah, I'll do it, just give me a few minutes. Gatoclass (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done Gatoclass (talk) 06:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK Gallery[edit]

The answer is "yes," I'm interested in continuing the DYK Gallery effort in July. I enjoyed doing it in June with help from Hassocks and you. To make it more worthwhile, do you think it would be feasible to make it part of the DYK page (maybe a sub-page)? By doing so, we could get help from people going to the DYK page, and it would be accessible by anyone on that page (more accessible than it is in my sandbox). Also, do you think we could create an award of some type for the people with the most-viewed DYKs each month? Cbl62 (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the admininstrator who maintains the stats feature User talk:Henrik is on vacation, so no data has become available yet for July. Once it's up and running again, I'll start a new list.Cbl62 (talk) 14:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


The besieged WP Indonesia Project EN - (sic) - owes you a star and barn or two for your continued defence (hold the nose) of Durian beyond the call of duty SatuSuro 13:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Why do you call it "weird"? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Well in the australian project deserts, rolf harris and a few other items attract inordinate amount of infantile vandalism - whereas in the indonesian project it seems weird that the smelliest item in indonesias flora ( i remember walking the streets of yogyakarta many years ago and grimacing at the odour) should require such a vigilance - but then the hit count for wikipedia articles reflects some weirder items i suppose SatuSuro 13:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
And as a signing off comment the project was almost :( 1421/1434 free until tonight (oz time) SatuSuro 13:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, BorgQueen --

Sorry about that; I had never updated DYK before. I'll keep that in mind for next time. Dylan (talk) 14:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Texas Night Train updated[edit]

Hello! As per your request, an infobox and poster art was added for the DYK-nominated film Texas Night Train. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 11:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


I think I'll probably leave it to you at this stage, since you are probably using a monitor with a more common aspect ratio and thus have a better idea how many more hooks are needed. Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I seem to be taking an unofficial wikibreak ATM. The enthusiasm just seems to have fizzled in the last week or two I'm afraid. I'll probably still do a bit here and there, but I don't see myself putting entire updates together right now, maybe just helping out when I can with the odd hook or two. Gatoclass (talk) 06:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for notifying me on the various DYKs. Thanks also for improvements on International Time Capsule Society. Appreciate it! --Doug talk 12:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Reggie Ingle DYK[edit]

Thanks. Johnlp (talk) 16:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Britons imprisoned abroad[edit]

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Category:Britons imprisoned abroad, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi there, I noticed that you were adding the Image hook for the next DYK update, but, I think I have found another that illustrates the subject better than the Image that you selected for the main page, this is the Image: Image:Nebo05(js)-cropped for DYK.JPG

I think that this would better show the Early Byzantine mosaics because the Image is a close up of the moasics themselves because at the small resolution it shows the mosaics better. Thanks and All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 01:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I already have cropped the image myself. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Strange, I don't know. I was intrigued by this little-known and largely disused cousin of black pepper when I saw it in the catalog and bought it, and after I tasted them, I realize why they're no longer widely used! :) Did you notice that I broke one open just to show what the berries look like inside? (They're hollow.) Badagnani (talk) 03:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Now we need a photo of Litsea cubeba. There are some nice (but not-yet-free) photos at Flickr. Badagnani (talk) 03:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

RE:George L. Engel[edit]

Hello BorgQueen. Thank you for informing me about the DYK. I just had an unsuccessful request for adminship and I was feeling a little depressed. This will help me. Take care, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 06:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Sorry about that, I noticed that you were already doing the notifications because I had 2 edit conflicts with you :( so I cleared the Template but left the credits section with all of the old credits. Anyways enjoy your wikibreak :). All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Lol, I had just finished giving out all of the credits when I got your message :). All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 03:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Heres a Quote you might like :P

  • "You will be assimilated."
  • "Not today and not by you."

- Borg Collective and Janeway - From Collective (episode)

Also, could you protect Image:Septiconium Luci Septimi Severi DYK.jpg for me because it is set to go on the main page in the next update? Thanks and All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I've uploaded a new image with the blank space cropped off. And next time you upload C-uploaded copies, please make sure its name is identical with the original commons image. (No "...for DYK" please) We have to archive every update along with the image, and when C-uploaded copies get deleted we only have a red link unless it retains the original name. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, although uploading a Image with the same presents a problem, because when I try to locally up-load a file of the image over the Commons copy, it give me a huge warning saying that there is already an Image on commons with the same name and that I HAVE to chose a different name, it simply won't let me upload over the commons Image (From what I have gathered the only people who can override the warning are admins). Anyways, Thanks And All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Will do :). --Mifter (talk) 13:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure I'll do the credits if you want :). All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 15:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and thanks for removing that sports hook from the DYK next update sheet, I hadn't noticed that I had put three sports hooks in :(. Thanks for removing that third hook for me :), All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 22:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Francis Beltran[edit]

This may just be me misunderstanding the process, but I'm unclear on why Mindmatrix (talk · contribs) gets credit for the Francis Beltran DYK and I don't. While he did propose the alternative hook (which wound up being), I contributed the expansion which made the article eligible in the first place (plus the original nomination). Best, Mackensen (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


You often make edits I miss, but concerning edits like this one, are you aware of WP:R2D? Art LaPella (talk) 22:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. So far, User talk:Ryulong#WP:R2D appears to verify that the guideline is to leave the redirect alone. Art LaPella (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My discussion with User:Ryulong hasn't gone very well and I'm dropping it. But I think you'll agree he isn't an authority for overruling a guideline he wasn't even aware of. Art LaPella (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

See User talk:Athaenara#WP:R2D. Bypassing redirects seems to have spread like an urban legend, and WP:R2D just isn't that well known. Art LaPella (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm back. I have no complaint against you at all, but you led me to adventures I never would have expected from Wikipedia administrators. Hopefully, this won't happen again, because now I can direct people to this link: Wikipedia talk:Redirect#Link here. Art LaPella (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi there, this is kind of unrelated to DYK but I need some Wikipedia related advice. This new user who I just ran into has just nominated me for adminship. While I am flattered that he nominated me to run for adminship, I am unsure of what to do, I do intend to become an admin but I am still in the process of looking for an admin coach because I still think that my editing needs some refining before I make a run for adminship. Frankly I am at a loss for how to handle this. Any advice would be appreciated, --Mifter (talk) 22:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could wait and apply for adminship after you've acquired more experience. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Washington, D.C.[edit]

Updated DYK query On 7 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of tallest buildings in Washington, D.C., which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Awesome!!! My first DYK. Thanks. Remember (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi BQ. If you have a moment, please take a look at DYK candidate "Pteridomania" as an editor, over-zealous in my opinion, slapped a copyright vio tag on it preventing me from making any improvements. Thanks much. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Yes, according to Comma (punctuation)#Grammar: "The rule is, of course, not limited to U.S. states and cities: a comma is used to set off any individual elements in names of geographical places or political divisions (countries, provinces, counties): "The plane landed in Kampala, Uganda, that evening." [6]" I haven't been enforcing this rule because it looks unfamiliar to me, but I wouldn't take out the comma either. Art LaPella (talk) 06:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Next update[edit]

Does it look long enough on your screen? Gatoclass (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) I might leave it as it is then because one never knows how long the page will be when it's time to post the update anyhow. Gatoclass (talk) 07:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

What about the latest one - is it long enough yet? Gatoclass (talk) 13:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll leave it as it is, thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 13:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
No problemo, I just verified one I can use :) Gatoclass (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I looked for a nice positive one to round it off. I like to round off the updates with an upbeat hook if possible :) Thanks again for the feedback. Gatoclass (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK list for May[edit]

Got your note yesterday about doing a "Best of DYK" chart for May. I think it's a good idea and will try to give it a start this evening. Cbl62 (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK Update[edit]

Oh! Okay! Thanks for letting me know - I'll be sure to remember for next time. -- Natalya 17:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yucca Flat[edit]

Thanks for nominating the interesting article. Making a nuclear test crater a "Historic Site"? Very American. LOL --BorgQueen (talk) 04:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha! I'm glad that you find this amusing, too.  :-D Thank you for picking this hook of mine. Have a great weekend! --PFHLai (talk) 06:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply and query[edit]

In reply to your earlier query, yeah I was offline, sorry :)

Does the current update on the front page look too long to you? I'm just curious because it's too long by one hook on my screen. Gatoclass (talk) 10:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you can tolerate it, I guess I can too :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
is given to BorgQueen in recognition of tireless efforts in updating ITN, DYK and other noticeboards that are generally forgotten about by other administrators. May the work continue. Rudget (logs) 17:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I do have a question though; do you think the Fitzroy Football Club hook is add-able? Rudget (logs) 10:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


An editor listed a July 4th DYK nomination in the expired noms[8]. Apparently, the Iraiyanar Akapporul DYK request got deleted without being considered, probably because it was at the very bottom of the suggestions. I just came across his note on my talk page.[9] It looks like a lot of effort went into the article. Any chance on adding it to the Template:Did you know/Next update? Thanks. (I also posted a note on Gatoclass's page). GregManninLB (talk) 23:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The hook fact is uncited. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for changing the pic to the lighthouse one. I was going to do it myself, but at the time I was trying to put the update together, wikipedia was going through one of its "I don't want to load pages" periods and I just got sick of trying :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Such periods do not last more than a few minutes, in my experiences... --BorgQueen (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Upcoming DYK[edit]

It looks like Rudget has already pulled a full list out of the noms. My concern is that, if the selected DYK image is used, then the next update will produce a Main Page featuring foure men's heads. That is, there are currently four images on the Main Page, and all but DYK is an image of a man's head. With our next update of DYK, that image would also become a man's head. Can we please have a more interesting image? --EncycloPetey (talk) 10:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

That;s one of the reasons I often go looking for more interesting images to use. --EncycloPetey (talk) 11:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that too - It's still four heads because the featured pic is a man's head too. Palpatine would have made five. --EncycloPetey (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hawayo Takata[edit]

Yo, BQ...Since you have a mop and keys, feel like addressing Aaxxll's repeated removal of all citations, references, and footnotes from the Hawayo Takata article? Thanks! - House of Scandal (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you see the wikibreak notice on the top of this page...? I try to do this and that whenever I can, but I suggest you bring the issue to AN/I or somewhere like that. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Yeah, it sure beats another little Yank building! Gatoclass (talk) 07:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll just do seven and leave it at that. I'm just trying to verify one or two people hooks right now to get some balance. Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Does it look long enough now? Or do you think it needs another one? Gatoclass (talk) 08:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll see if I can find something suitable. Gatoclass (talk) 09:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, okay. I don't think I am going to do them right away though, as it's getting close to a mealtime. Gatoclass (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

1968 MLB Expansion Draft[edit]

Thank you for letting me know. Maple Leaf (talk) 15:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

July DYK data[edit]

Actually, the data just got added today, but Henrik has not updated the dropdown icons. So I just changed the date 200806 to 200807 in the address bar and was able to get the data. Cbl62 (talk) 19:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page.[edit]

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I award this barnstar to BorgQueen for catching the vandal who blanked out my user page, I appreciate the quick catch! %%-SYKKO-%% (talk to me) 14:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey request[edit]

I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, BCeagle0312 (talk) 16:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK front page inaccuracy[edit]

Domestic turkey should replace Wild Turkey in the Narragansett Turkey hook. I am sure. Thanks! - House of Scandal (talk) 17:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


This Barnstar of Diligence is awarded to BorgQueen for the incredible amount of work she does keeping the Main Page running smoothly. -- Natalya 20:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

As I get more and more aquainted with all of the goings-on behind the scenes at the Main Page, your name (and numerous contributions!) keep showing up. It's quite impressive! -- Natalya 20:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Natalya. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK Lob bomb[edit]

Thanks, BorgQueen! Badagnani (talk) 23:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Temple Sinai (Oakland, California)[edit]

Thanks for letting me know, that's very nice. Jayjg (talk) 00:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Next update[edit]

Does that look long enough to you? Gatoclass (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, darn it. I was just about to knock off :/ Oh well, back to the drawing board! Just give me a minute or two to find another one. Gatoclass (talk) 09:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I added one more, does it look okay now? Gatoclass (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

MOS: Music?[edit]

Hello. Is there a page I can consult which will explain what content is appropriate for an article about a band's tour, for example Tom Waits's current Glitter and Doom Tour? Surely, there must be policy or guidelines for what information should be present and what should not, yes? Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 21:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You might want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I looked there, but could not find anything relevant... Did I overlook something? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I retract that statement. I found a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD, but it did not have the information I needed either. So, let me put this question to you: Do setlists seem like appropriate content for a tour article? I would argue that it is not appropriate, but there does not seem to be a policy. Any thoughts? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should ask this question to the regulars at the project page. I don't usually pay attention to music-related articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 20:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Naming convention[edit]

Yes, especially of the part: "... unless: the title is a proper noun". Species names refer to unique entities and thus are proper names; the case is similar to the correct article title not being "New york" or "London university".

However, there is no unequivocal opinion in WP:ToL. Whereever standardized names for biological species exist, they are always capitalized as proper names, see for example Anser_(genus)#Living_species_and_taxonomy. I tend to stick to that policy, especially as scientists (who are the prime authority in this case) usually do the same these days. For example, the IUCN Redlist. On Wikipedia, the issue is not being handled consistently ATM however - basically it depends on the original source used to start an article -, and in any case thanks for notifying me I forgot to redirect!

But see for example torrent frog for a case where the term is not a proper name, and thus, the no-caps policy does apply. And while I will create species articles as proper-name articles, I won't mass-move others that have been named as "unproper" names if there is no firm ToL policy on that particular taxon (e.g. for plants). However, I will mercilessly decapitalize any and all "Grass Frogs" and suchlike I come across, except when it's part of a species name (which would require a further qualifyer, e.g. "Little Grass Frog", which is titled the way it is because it was created from the IUCN Redlist).

A case in point can be stated as this:

Because there is only one band by that name, but "chili pepper" can refer to a half-dozen species of the genus Capsicum and their innumerable cultivars. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 22:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Fish Image[edit]

Not crazy about it but we haven't had a fish for a while. What else did you have in mind? Gatoclass (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, we have an awful lot of buildings featured. But if you want to use that one instead, I'm not going to stop you. Gatoclass (talk) 07:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
But I do notice that there are already two building hooks in the update. I'm not too keen on the idea of three. Gatoclass (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, 'cos I'm just about to go out for a bit of fresh air myself :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK credits[edit]

Sure, no problem – I'll help with that right now. :) JamieS93 14:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Mizra DYK[edit]

Please see my note on User Talk:Nudve#Mizra DYK. How can the DYK be corrected? --Zlerman (talk) 02:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was offline. Next time try WP:ERROR. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Shel-Silverstein.jpg[edit]

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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Rettetast (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Royal Road for DYK[edit]

Face-smile.svg Thank you. Much appreciated. --Poeticbent talk 15:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


Do you think I should add another one? Personally I think eight is enough unless there is a backlog, but I have another hook ready if you think it needs an extra one. Gatoclass (talk) 10:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it needs an extra one, not on my screen anyhow. Gatoclass (talk) 10:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, so that's why it suddenly looked right - you are working for the "Other Side" as well ;)
Thanks, that looks good now. I did try it with nine, but nine often just looks like too many to me. Gatoclass (talk) 10:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK archiving[edit]

Yeah, that always made more sense to me. I did that only because sometimes, back when I had to do it more regularly, you'd find the last set of hooks had never been archived, and you'd notice that other people archived the hooks as soon as they were uploaded, apparently to prevent that.

Another thing that we should remind admins to do is to delete the picture if it was uploaded from Commons to protect here. I do that all the time, but I don't know if others remember to do that. Daniel Case (talk) 13:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The Last Run[edit]

Hi BorgQueen – yeah, I'm just trying to work toward the update after this one. :-) It looks like there's a better supply of hooks from the 16th rather than the 15th, so I'll probably add a couple of those to the next next update. Let me know, of course, if that's ever an issue. Cheers! JamieS93 15:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Where are you?[edit]

Need to talk to you. Gatoclass (talk) 04:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to ask you before if I could pull a story from On This Day because the DYK area was far too long. One story would have lined them up just about right, trouble is, that would have left only three stories in the On This Day section, and I'm not sure if three is enough or if they have a minimum.
I ended up pulling one story from ITN and adding an extra one to DYK, but I hate doing that as I think more than eight stories on DYK just ends up looking like a mess. Anyhow, it's done now but I'd like your opinion on whether or not it would have been okay to pull the OTD story. Gatoclass (talk) 05:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought of pulling an extra story from ITN but then the Did You Know and On This Day headers wouldn't have lined up very well, and I thought I read somewhere that they are supposed to. But I agree it's much better that they don't line up than that you have a huge space at the bottom of DYK.
Thanks for the advice, I'll have a much better idea what to do next time :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I am facing a strange technical problem in the article Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany. The article uses Harvard referencing. All of it works. For example, if you click this, you will automatically go to the last book in the reference section. But if you click this reference, by rule you should go to the second book in the reference section. But this is not happening with reference 5. Can you tell what is the problem here. Is there any technical problem, I cannot understand. Previously discussed this issue with Gatoclass. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks for linking the article. You are right it is not working probably by having the name of so many authors. However it is a laborious job to change the format of all the references in Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany right now, will use the another format for other articles next time. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Archive[edit]

Are you referring to Wikipedia:Recent additions? Rudget (logs) 13:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Green tickY Done. Rudget (logs) 13:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I did, it was something I was debating personally about aswell. I have a relatively small screen so I'm unable to make judgements on wider-screens. I had seen discussions between yourself and other DYK updaters before and I got the sense that 7 is generally the limit, with at least one occasion being that the DYK section was actually shorter than selected anniversaries and it remaining as that. Is it too late to add one now, or should it wait for the next update? Rudget (logs) 13:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Aye. Apologies for all the confusion over the past few weeks. Rudget (logs) 13:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Mike Ayers credits[edit]

I wanted to let you know that User:Geologik did not get his credit for creating Mike Ayers, nor did I get the credit for nominating it.--Bedford Pray 15:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't you contact the updater, User:PeterSymonds, instead? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My bad; although I believe I later did. Cheers.--Bedford Pray 14:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Credible author[edit]

Hello. A credible authors' reference is being "overrided" by edit-warring. I recently tried to add to the telescope article but this editor seems to think that his opinion overrides a VERY credible author in Mr. Richard Powers. I've been blocked before for edit-warring recently, so I don't want this to be another incident on my record.

Anyway, the other editor seemed to have asked his friend-type editors to form a consensus, so I will do the same. The Islamic connection here is, Al-Haytham. He is FUNDAMENTAL to the telescope and the FATHER of optics. By definition, the summary can include him since the radio and electro-magnetic telescopes are derogatory to the average person looking at the article; I wanted to add it to the history section since it looked cleaner. Can you help your fellow InternetHero?? InternetHero (talk) 21:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Masonic hook[edit]

Do you think we should wikilink the word Masonic in my current DYK hook to Freemasonry? Also, Peter has never done a double hook before, so I did not get credit with Grand Lodge of Kentucky.--Bedford Pray 14:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikilinking it wouldn't hurt. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that; I'd never seen a double hook before. Apologies also for not replying earlier to your message. I had the window open, but for some reason never typed the message! I agree that the photo for that hook was much better. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


I hate it when that happens :( Now I've got to find another appropriate one. Thanks for the heads up anyhow. Gatoclass (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Congregation Beth Israel (Lebanon, Pennsylvania)[edit]

Thanks for letting me know. Jayjg (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


Do you think "a celebrated Royal Navy officer" is too peacocky? I thought of changing to just "Captain Sir Murray Maxwell of the Royal Navy", but then I wasn't sure if that would make the update too short. Gatoclass (talk) 13:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it is acceptable... but if you still have doubts you should ask the Duke or Art. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Never mind. It's probably accurate to say he was "celebrated", I was just a little worried about setting a precedent but I guess I'm not bothered enough to feel the need to change it. Gatoclass (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


Could you add User:Wetman for credit over London (1738 poem) here. He contributed to its creation, so it would be nice to give him credit also. Thanks. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. :) He did contribute quite a bit to one half of that nom, and I am glad that he will be noticed. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

ITN Administrator category[edit]

I created the category Category:Wikipedia in the news frequent administrators. As you have experience in ITN and ITN-related matters, I invite you to add your name there. The purpose is so if a non-admin (such as myself) needs an administrator to add, modify, or remove an item, you have experience in this area. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 01:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK'd: Orphan Girl at the Cemetery[edit]

Thank you for the notice... - DaughterofSun (talk) 16:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Article on Shiva[edit]

Thank you very much for your advice. However, the rationale behind my editing the article was data redundancy. Anyways, I am not going to engage in an "edit war". If it is your wish to see the article as it is, well I am not unhappy to oblige. --OpelC (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Front page balance[edit]

Does it looks unbalanced to you? It does to me. I notice that there are a couple of long On This Day hooks which could readily be trimmed to rebalance the page if necessary. Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I trimmed a couple of the OTD entries. Balance looks better now. Gatoclass (talk) 08:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


You beat me to the "relish" removal. It was unlinked in the original nom--I think it was intended to mean enthusiasm, not pickled condiment, but it's clearly confusing in the context. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


I just realised and was on the way to revert myself. Oops, thanks for spotting that and reverting; at least it was only there for a couple of minutes. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Bypassing redirect[edit]

I had two major unexpected confrontations over that before, so I think I should wait until it appears at WP:ERRORS again. Art LaPella (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Next update[edit]

Does the next update in the queue look long enough to you? It looks slightly short on my screen, but not enough to worry about. Gatoclass (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

One line short but good enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

What, the current batch on the front page? Gatoclass (talk) 09:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Gatoclass (talk) 13:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay now? Gatoclass (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Omid Tahvilli page[edit]

No big deal but subsquently is spelled subsequently. AndrewMcinally (talk) 05:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Next update note[edit]

I added a note to the Next Update page asking updaters to try and remember to take about half their hooks from U.S. subjects. I find it kind of irritating to come back to the DYK page after an update or two to find that someone has used up all the non-US hooks, leaving nothing but American hooks for the next updater to draw from. Gatoclass (talk) 13:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Good move. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, just wanted to check that you approved :)
Re the current next update - if you are online - is there room for another hook? I replaced a couple of hooks by Peter Symonds, but they were a bit shorter than his so the update is a tad shorter than it was. Gatoclass (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


My apologies for probably causing an edit conflict, I had already been editing the template for about two minutes before you added the tag (I was editing lower down than you were and because we didn't edit any of the same text it didn't cause an edit conflict with me :) ) Anyways, my apologies for causing you any edit conflicts. --Mifter (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes you did but it happens. Thanks for the note. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Garmo[edit]

I've tweaked your hook to make it more interesting. Please visit here and see if it is okay. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Up to you... maybe "...the higher peak..."? Xn4 (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK thanks[edit]

Hi BorgQueen. From time to time I nominate a DYK, and every time it seems to be you who adds it to the template, updates the article talk and drops a note on my talk page. So this is to say thanks for all your tireless hard work keeping the DYK running. I enjoy getting my new articles on the main page, but it's an equal pleasure to regularly come across people like you. So thanks! Gwinva (talk) 02:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Current DYK[edit]

Yep, I did; I should have put more in. Most came from the oldest expiring noms, which is the main reason they're like that. Apologies, I did mean to stick to Gatoclass's note, so it was a genuine mistake on my part. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)

Possibly unfree Image:Korean_pancake-Jindallae_hwajeon-03_cropped.jpg[edit]

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Korean_pancake-Jindallae_hwajeon-03_cropped.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Kelly hi! 00:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back?[edit]

DYK review[edit]

Hi Borgqueen. Would you care to review Darrin Winston under the August 23rd section. It's directly at the bottom, and I'm nor sure if we do obituaries on DYK as the IP who commented it mentioned (but I'm sure it has been done before). I'm about to go offline for a while, and I would like to know as soon as possible if something needs to be fixed in the article or else I won't have the time ti fix it now. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 01:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

RE : room for two?[edit]

I checked on my side, including the two blank rows DYK is still shorter than "On this day". Could be differing screen resolutions. How about having one more instead of two then? - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 11:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm personally okay with it, DYK is meant to showcase unique items. And I have to admit this is the first time in few months I pulled out my Chinese dictionary to look up the character! :P - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

why do u protect a refrigerator? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Buk (drum)[edit]

Hello, BorgQueen, I seek your help to settle a dispute with User:Badagnani at buk (drum), Korean drums. You can read Korean, so I think you can be a good meditator on this. I don't want to make an edit war with him, but he is very persistent on his stance. My claim is that the buk is the term encompassing all drums used for Korean traditional music just like Japanese taiko, while he insists that buk are exclusively referring to as specific buk (only drums affixed with "buk") used for pansori and samul nori in English speaking world. I think that is his original research because Koreans call any type of buk and believe that the term has not integrated into English, and my Korean sources based on Korean notable musicologists do not confirm his claim. Yet, he has not provided any citations to back up his claim although he attached some sources from 국립국악원 and Grove Music Dictionary which only briefly refer to what 'buk' means. If you have a time, could you visit the talk page? Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Spammy updatey note thingy[edit]

- DYK updates have been a bit slow and there's a bit of a shortage of admins actively involved. We are asking folks who listed themselves on Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins to update details on this page - User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins, so we can grade everyone's involvement (and who, knows, someone may want to get involved more :) ).Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Calling all active WP:NOVELS members[edit]

WikiProject Novels Roll Call
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WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María (habla conmigo) 14:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK creds[edit]

Didn't see you had done those as they were still listed at Template:Did you know/Next update and I just clicked 'new section' on their article talk pages. Thanks for doing the crediting, Cirt (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah nevermind I guess we just decided to do it at the same time. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 09:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
  • There appears no (pictured) in the pictured hook. Thought I'll let you know since you are tweaking them now. Mspraveen (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008[edit]

This newsletter was automatically delivered by TinucherianBot (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK Stats[edit]

Hi BorgQueen -- I think we were both pleased to see the page view stats tool come back to life (even if most of July appears to be lost). I've now finished the August stats and have also completed July as far as it can be taken. So we know have a finished product for June, July and August, and you've started the process for May. In order to make the effort worthwhile, and to encourage others to help with future and past months, I continue to think it would be helpful to have the page view stats relocated to some official space rather than in my user sandbox space. Do you think there is a way to set this up in a more official space? Should I raise this question on the DYK "Discussion" page? Cbl62 (talk) 16:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi BQ, welcome back!

I have just woken and notice that you have just made an update to the main page. There is a hook in the pile about the Shankswille fire dept and their role in 911 that would make a good picture slot for the americans who will wake up soon. Would you mind if we swapped the picture hooks ? Victuallers (talk) 07:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Parithimar Kalaignar[edit]

Firstly, BorgQueen, thank you very much for selecting my article to use in the main page as DYK. I hadn't expected it so early. However, I observed that the hook suggested by me had been discarded and an alternate hook has been choosen. The ALT hook had been suggested as the editor was not aware of the content of the material I had provided as source. However, I had sufficiently established the correctness of the fact in the hook I had suggested through relevant reference. Still, I observe that the alternate hook has been selected. I don't know why. Anyway, thanks :-)-RavichandarMy coffee shop 21:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Todd Palin[edit]

I've always been using the day of the DYK, plus the day after in computing the DYK views. So I did the same for this one as all the others. It's a bit unusual since he was in the news so heavily that week, but the trend does show that the hits went way up on the day of the DYK. On the other hand, when Google Chrome was on DYK, it got huge hits also but the number of hits actually declined on the day of the DYK, so I did not include that one in the chart.Cbl62 (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been doing that because it's easier to take Day 1 and 2 rather than to check the exact time when each DYK went up and down from the Main Page. If the Palin one was clearly only on the first day and didn't spill over then I think you're right about only including the Day 1 stats. I'll make that adjustment.Cbl62 (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


I did not know such interesting list exists in Wikipedia. I'm bemused to see agujjim listed on the page as well. Either terrible images of food (somebody refers to the hot and spicy food as "boom in mouth") or good images tend to grab people's attention. Thank you for your hard work at DYK pages. --13:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Comma again[edit]

I don't feel like an expert on that particular rule, so I've been leaving it alone either way. See User_talk:BorgQueen/archive5#Comma. Comma (punctuation) isn't a Wikipedia guideline and I haven't seen that rule anywhere else. But when I Google it, it does look like a widely quoted rule to use the comma after the country. Art LaPella (talk) 05:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Lydia Thompson[edit]

Hello, BQ. Thanks for the note about Royal Aquarium's DYK. I also suggested Lydia Thompson for DYK, but an editor put a hold on it, feeling that language in it was too similar to the source DNB article. He also put a copyvio tag on the article. I have now gone through the article to make sure that there are no further copyright issues, and the new version is here: Talk:Lydia Thompson/Temp. The only language that is the same now should be the names of shows that Thompson starred in, dates, place names, etc. Since you are an administrator, if you agree, would you kindly remove the copyvio tag? Only administrators can remove the copyvio tag. Also, can you please take a look at the DYK for Articles created/expanded on September 13 and reflect the removal of the tag there? Thanks for your work on the DYK process and elsewhere! Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Did you know[edit]

Hi there. I noticed there's a typo on Template:Did you know - on item 5 the text "an liquefied petroleum gas tank might explode" should read "a liquefied petroleum gas tank might explode". I know it's trivial, but I thought I'd raise the point, especially as it ends up on the front page! -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 14:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for letting me know. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The Trons DYK[edit]

Hi, I just noticed that my hook about The Trons has been added to the next update. I have just got a photograph for the article, so would you mind pulling it out of this update, to give it a chance for the top spot when the photo is added? It's okay if you don't want to do, just thought I'd ask. Cheers, ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 02:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 02:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK next update[edit]

I have recently been working on the DYK update page, in order to help out with handing out credits, tagging DYK articles and such. Today, I have handed out all of the credits, and I placed DYK templates on all of the new DYK article talk pages. I also protected the image which was due to go on the main page. However, the clock has not been reset, resulting in the new DYK's not making their way onto the Main Page. As I am not an admin, I cannot reset the clock. If you can, could you fix the problem on the DYK page, and update the Main Page DYKs? Thanks, --Jordan Contribs 13:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Robert Demachy[edit]

I put the credit on the talk page of user who created it; I only modified the hook in vetting its eligibility. Substitute one from you if you wish. Thanks. Kablammo (talk) 07:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know. As you say monitors vary. cheers Victuallers (talk) 15:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


No problem. Keep up the good work and thank you for saving Songpa sandaenori too.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the info about DYK and shoujou. Timothy Perper (talk) 13:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Trawsgoed Crosswood DYK[edit]

Thanks for the great news about Trawsgoed Crosswood on DYK. It's my first. ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C) 05:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, BorgQueen[edit]

Thank you for supporting my RfA nomination, BorgQueen. I appreciate your confidence and look forward to taking on some of the burden at DYK. I left a note for Casliber mentioning that I would like to take a shot at my first full DYK update in the next couple days and I was wondering if there's a guide that walks through the process of (a) moving the hooks from Next Update to the Main Page, (b) how to create the credits, (c) archiving the hooks from the prior group, and (d) anything else you think I should now. If you know of something that would help, let me know. And thanks again. Cbl62 (talk) 05:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


This seems quite odd, do you know what's up with that or how to fix it? Cirt (talk) 08:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really care... The tick becomes gigantic only on the C-uploaded image as far as I know, which is temporary anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay, no worries. Cirt (talk) 08:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it. Cirt (talk) 08:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

No barnstar here…[edit]

…but just genuine appreciation for all that you do at DYK. I don't know all the ins and outs of DYK, so I'm sure I don't know even half of everything you do, but I just wanted to let you know there's at least one person who appreciates the volume and quality of the work you do. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


I too appreciate the work you do for DYK, however I do worry that you will end up doing the whole job. If your happy with that then great. However if you do want to share the task then can I respectfully suggest you find other ways of redistributing the bio hooks. ie please don't change the picture hook unless there is a defendable reason. Keep up the good work... its very good. Victuallers (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I suppose you didn't check this edit summary of mine. Currently there are too many portrait images on Main Page, and actually I hadn't thought that was a problem until EncycloPetey suggested to me a while ago that it didn't look good that all the MP templates have male facial images. Variety is highly important for Main Page, otherwise it will lead to bias. I know it can be annoying when someone else replaces the image you chose but please understand the reason behind my edit. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm aware we have too many dead white males ...( I've been writing articles on people that aren't). If there had neen a novel image then I'd have chosen it .. but I never thought a B&W picture of another boat was worth making the change for after someone else had already made a decision. However we're not here to fall out and no one got hurt so as I said "keep up the good work". Victuallers (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, I tend to agree that the ship image is not particularly interesting but I had to choose from already loaded hooks. As for the issue of having too many "dead white males", we have a Chinese, a Japanese, and a Muslim male portrait image on MP at the moment, so the white bias is not the issue here. What I was concerned over was having too many portrait images on Main Page at the same time and that's about it. For the sake of diversity, I'd like to say that it would be perfectly justifiable if you had chosen a more interesting, non-portrait image hook from one or two days ahead of the cue. I know we have a bit of backlog now but taking just one hook from, say, 20 or 21 Sep entries would have been a reasonable trick. Thanks for your work and understanding. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

In the news entry[edit]

Hello! Thanks for cleaning up after me on ITN; I'm not frequently involved with it, so I was a bit flustered trying to get all the loose ends right. Nice cropping job on the image as well. I wasn't sure if cropping would make it look better or not, so I just used the image as it was.

If you're up to giving advice, do you think there ought to be a link in the phrase, "In the largest bank failure in U.S. history"? I originally had two links in there, but Calliopejen1 removed them, as he or she seemed to think they weren't sufficiently relevant. That's fine—I'm not trying to own the entry or anything—but it seems a little bare now. Maybe link bank failure, or perhaps there's something better that "U.S. history" could be linked to (History of the United States seems a bit too broad)? Or if you think you can reword it better, by all means go ahead and change it.

Also, out of curiosity, do we usually delete images like Taro Aso cropped small.jpg once they're off the Main Page? I notice it's a crop of another image, so it's not a duplicate. The image page still says it's linked from a number of pages, presumably from caching or something. Do we usually wait a while and then delete it, or just leave it as harmless? —Slowking Man (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

For your first question: I tend to agree with Calliopejen1 - You might want to read WP:CONTEXT. For second: Leaving it does no harm, and we might want to use it sometime later when Taro Aso hits ITN again. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Swift crediting[edit]

Hello, BorgQueen. Thank you for finishing the credits and updating DYK I added to T:DYK/N. Just one question though: How do you do the credits so swiftly? Do you use a special gadget? I do the credits manually, so it takes longer for me, but you seem to do it in less than a minute. -- RyRy (talk) 06:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

My "special gadget" is Firefox. :-D I open a lot of taps and click each user's talk page and then their "new section", and copy-paste {{subst:UpdatedDYK|27 September|2008|Article name}} --~~~~ onto all the taps, and click "save page" for all the taps, completing the process in less than a minute, if I am not distracted by something else. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Heh, I heard somewhere User:Maxim does something like that, though, I think he uses popups. Well, nice method! I'll try it sometime. :-) -- RyRy (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, there it is. :-) Well anyway, keep up the good work BorgQueen! Hopefully Gatoclass will become active again at DYK soon. At least we have about four other active DYK updaters around. -- RyRy (talk) 06:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I'll be sure to watch for that. Thank you for the tip. -- RyRy (talk) 06:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


Dear Sir or Madam, Thanks for your notice on the "Did you know" section for my newly created articles on Egyptian temples. I did not know this page existed. It took a lot of wind from my sails in creating them. Here is one final new article on this theme which I also wrote: Kiosk of Qertassi Now that I'm finished finally with this task, I can take a much needed break. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you know[edit]

Good morning! On 9/25/08 I self nominated an article I wrote on that date for "Did you know." Battle of Blanco Canyon No one ever ruled one way or the other - I am curious why it appears to be the only article that was not found to be eligible, et al. Since you have kindly helped in the past, I thought I would come ask for your help again. Thanks, and in any event, I thank you in advance for your kind assistance...JohninMaryland (talk) 10:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

RE : Hi[edit]

No problem, after I'm done watching the Singapore Grand Prix! :D - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 12:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK Paparizou[edit]

Not that its a huge deal, but why did you change Elena Paparizou's name from "Helena" to "Elena"? I had it piped because she entered the contest as "Helena Paparizou". Also the picture was a nice touch, its just too bad I slept through the whole thing. Its always nice to see it there. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Well its sort of confusing now because the dyk article had her name spelt "Helena" all the way through. There is a whole section about the naming on her page here, but you would never see it spelt "Elena" in English because she uses "Helena" for English releases and "Elena" in Greek letters for Greek releases. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
If I did that people would kill me lol. Its been discussed a few times and we decided to keep it because in fact her name really is "Elena". Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
It has been a practice of WikiProject Eurovision to write about contestants as they were referred to at the contest, so that why I chose "Helena" seeing that it was a Eurovision article for DYK. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Automatic DYK crediting[edit]

Hi, Mailer Diablo suggested I make a way to automatically fill the article= parameter when using the direct link and I thought you might be interested in this too. If you add {{subst:js|User:Ameliorate!/dykeasymode.js}} to your monobook.js and then purge the cache it should make a tab called "dykcredit" appear. Follow a link to give DYK credit, click the tab and it will automatically add the article name. If you want, you can also add var optionalComment = "Thank you for your contributions!"; to your monobook (above the code for dykeasymode) and it will make clicking the tab auto-fill the optional= parameter as well and adding var autosubmit = "on"; to your monobook will make clicking the tab automatically save the page. Let me know what you think. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 12:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Route 194 DYK[edit]

Thanks so much man. You are the proud person to give me my 25th Did You Know. Thanks so much!!Mitch32(UP) 19:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks, BorgQueen, for archiving the group I updated to the Main Page. It'll take me a couple times to get it figured out, so having you look over my shoulder helps. I'll make sure to do the archives as well next time I do the update. BTW, thanks for continuing to work on the "Most Page Hits" list as well. Cbl62 (talk) 15:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Purging the cache[edit]

I did that several times (or at least hit refreh on the browser, which usually does the trick), then tried it with a different browser. And after a few minutes it changed. I don't know why; maybe it was just server lag. Daniel Case (talk) 02:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

poor timing[edit]

its yours Victuallers (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


영어(잉글리쉬) 위키백과(위키피디아) 한국어 사용자 중 찾아보기 힘든 관리자(Administrator)인 것 같아 반가운 마음에 인사드립니다. --Albamhandae (talk) 12:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The next DYK update...[edit]

Did I do good?

I've not been there in a while...!

BTW, the links were just copied, i wasn't aware there were too many.


BG7even 15:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

How about now?
BG7even 16:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Was my latest one an improvement? And about yesterday: i'm not an admin so can't copy it over ;). I hadn't actually finished the latest one btw, my Internet dropped! (I was going to add another biographical US one, and then shuffle, like you did ;) ).
I'l also be happy to the credits on the next update if needed.
BG7even 11:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
PS Could you comment on my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#A couple of suggestions...
Thanks! If you want me to do the credits (if you update it) then i will be happy to.
BG7even 11:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I did the credits... I though DanielCase had updated it (i just saw it was done!) and he said that I could do the credits. Sorry if you were going to do them...
BG7even 15:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:MV Faina pirates.jpg[edit]

Please restore this picture, it is currently in use on the front page. - NeutralHomerTalk 04:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I was replacing the image and the admin who uploaded it was supposed to use {{mprotect}} instead of {{C-uploaded}}, since it didn't exist on commons. But fixed now. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Okie Dokie, I just seen it missing. Take Care....NeutralHomerTalk 04:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Indian Catholic hook[edit]

Three of the six refs are from Catholic Church groups, which I think is a neutrality problem (Asia News is run by PIME). YellowMonkey (choose Australia's next top model) 05:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I meant the one currently on the template about religious violence. YellowMonkey (choose Australia's next top model) 05:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Maurits van Nierop[edit]

Hi, just a quick note that you seem to have forgotten my notification of the DYK for this article! Andrew nixon (talk) 17:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I was getting there. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the image help[edit]

[10] - Thanks! I couldn't figure out what was doing that. Cirt (talk) 13:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

External images[edit]

Hi BorgQueen. I'm not sure what you mean by "external images" Are you referring to the use of the template {{externalimage}}? --Geronimo20 (talk) 07:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the matter was thrashed out here. --Geronimo20 (talk) 12:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
For fixing my spelling and grammar edits (and gee, I did make a lot) on the Detective Michael Tritter article. You're doing great work, keep it going. --Music26/11 15:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes he was.--Music26/11 15:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Ty. Ty 05:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you also for the DYK recognition on Enrique Nieto, a noted Spanish architect. Chergles (talk) 15:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated :) Mahalo, the skomorokh 17:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

William C. Chase[edit]

I nominated William C. Chase, not created it. I informed the creator, Hawkeye7, of it.--Gen. Bedford his Forest 05:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Manasbal Lake[edit]

Hi! BorgQueen,

Thank you very much for the DYK recognition to the article Manasbal Lake.There is another article on Cubbon Park entered by me for DYK recogniton on the same date. Has it also been cleared as eligible for DYK?--Nvvchar (talk) 17:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Not yet, but I am sure someone will clear it soon enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you once again.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Jackie Robinson Day[edit]

Hello, I saw you add Jackie Robinson Day to the next update. Thank you for doing so, but I have a suggestion. Since the article might get one of the most page views (in my opinion since it's a special day in MLB), I think this should be added to the next update after the next one or two updates, as most Americans will be awake then–viewing the internet–rather than in a few hours as it will be about 4 in the morning when updated. I suggest adding the hook to one of the two next updates after the one you just added the hook to. What do you think? – RyanCross (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, consider the deal accepted BorgQueen. I'll review and try to verify as many hooks as I can, and you add the Jackie Robinson Day article to one of the two next updates after the current one. – RyanCross (talk) 07:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Of course. Will do, BorgQueen. – RyanCross (talk) 07:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that's all I can do for now. I've got to run. Will you be around to add Jackie Robinson Day to the next update when the proper time comes? – RyanCross (talk) 09:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Nice working with you. Well, I've got to run now. Cheers, – RyanCross (talk) 09:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Sidney Eisenshtat[edit]

Thank you very much for the DYK recognition for Sidney Eisenshtat.--Arxiloxos (talk) 08:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Love dart[edit]

Thanks so much BorgQueen for checking the article and then for letting me know that it got the second highest rating ever for a DYK. Wow! Can I ask: what was the highest ever DYK article? Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I see! Highly educational no doubt! Thanks, BorgQueen for all you do in general! Invertzoo (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for finally letting me do the next update without edit conflicting me. You have beat me about 5 times since the last time that I was actually successful in updating the template. I am saying this with tongue in check, but seriously it was good for it to finally be successful. I get rusty. The whole DYK crediting is WAY easier with the new template! Thanks for all that you do. Royalbroil 03:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

That "Yahoo!" you just heard was me screaming and dancing around my computer. (wink) Royalbroil 04:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


I have nominated 2008 Peru oil scandal for ITN, could i also nominate for DYK at the same time? Thanks. Docku:“what up?”

Thanks for the prompt reply. Docku:“what up?” 15:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Double DYK: Filipino proverbs & Damiana Eugenio[edit]

Received the notices. Appreciate your work very much. Very happy too! More unceasing power to all DYK'ers! - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK flip[edit]

Would you create me and User:CrumpledSheatMedal plus the Jake Elder article's talk page, and I'll credit the rest of the next group? I flipped it a little bit early to try to lessen some of the backlog. Royalbroil 16:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems Mailor already took care of it. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Yup, guess it's time for me to turn in for the night. ;) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 17:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


Could you run the Merck headquarters a couple updates from now? I will be asleep for the next update and would like to be online when it is live. If it was pushed to 20 UTC it would be nice. If not, no biggie. MBisanz talk 07:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


I;ve addressed it on the talk page. The clear issues with it should have been sorted really before it was placed as the top DYK. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 08:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

 DoneBlofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 08:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks bud. Its probably because I have done a lot of work on Indian cinema and am all too aware of the POV that plagues many of the articles on films and actors off mainstream radar, e.g contemporary Bollywood is only under watch. The film seems to have been an influential film in Tamil cinema, but there is of course a way of illustrating this without the "megahit" and "superstardom" that goes with it, particularly if it is seen from a global or even a wider Indian persective!! One of the most annoying words I've come across in Indian film is "super hit". Aarggh!! LOL. BestBlofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 08:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK hooks[edit]

Yikes, since when has DYK been so popular? I don't remember there ever being as many hooks as there are these days. I hope mine doesn't get passed over, I think it's relevant and particularly interesting. If you don't mind, since you seem to be one of the pre-eminent DYK admins these days, would you take a look at it and see if it's worth inclusion in the next couple days? The hook regards Swiss billionaire Hansjorg Wyss. Thanks. :) GlassCobra 11:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I verified the hook several days ago, and it'll probably be moved to T:DYK/N in a few days or so. We try to use expiring nominations first for the next update so that the hooks and articles don't become stale, rather than using newer hooks unless it's absolutely necessary. – RyanCross (talk) 06:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


You can finish it if you like. I just started because it looked like no-one else was around. Gatoclass (talk) 11:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll leave it there now so no-one else rains on your parade :) Gatoclass (talk) 11:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


Yeah, it's the official convention that the Nobel website uses. I know it looks weird, but apparently whenever "Nobel" and "laureate" are used together, laureate should be capitalized. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 16:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Parikrama (religious practice)[edit]

Hi! I was expecting to see my DYK today the 28th October 2008 - Deepavali day. Since the name has been changed is the DYK on or off.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thanks for your continued maintenance on the article foie gras. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Image:Mohamed_nasheed_pp01_cropped.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Mohamed_nasheed_pp01_cropped.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


Apologies BQ - of course I didnt see your request to leave it. Did you think I might ignore such a request? (Rhetorical question - We need to put such hooks aside I think as in the panic to fill a request they can easily get chosen by the unwary) ... Real question. Have you thought about Halloween? We had a brief conversation where I voted you as prize giver etc. I'm having internet problems so I may not be around. Obviously I'll help if I can. Victuallers (talk) 16:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm only here for <30 mins a day due to internet probs. I think stats sounds a nice fair way of doing the judging. As you have announced it (and therefore its not fixed) then please include your own article! 14:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


I was just about to log off actually. Gatoclass (talk) 13:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

But if you would like a break I suppose I could do it... Gatoclass (talk) 13:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


Yeah, but that's the way it's supposed to look!

The problem with adding borders to paintings is that it makes it look as if the border is part of the painting, so it's kind of misleading. Although I agree that the bordernotinline thing definitely enhances some pictures, fuzzy outlines are not necessarily a bad thing. For example, if you had an oval or irregular-shaped painting, is it really going to enhance the look by putting a rectangular box around it? Well, maybe in some cases, but in others I don't think it is. So I think we have to use some discretion. The border around that Blake painting kind of makes it look as if the creature is confined to a box, and I'm sure that was not the artist's intention. Gatoclass (talk) 03:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, having looked at the mainpage, I think the "box" effect is less noticeable on the mainpage's green background than it was on the white pre-page, so I don't think I'll bother changing it again. All the same, I don't think the border necessarily enhances every picture. Gatoclass (talk) 04:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
(Just for the sake of record) Indeed, I certainly agree that the border does not enhance every picture. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot queue[edit]

I'm not sure if it's working yet, but I added the latest set of hooks to the bot queue, as last night's update was three hours overdue. Hopefully it will work properly, if not someone will have to do it manually again.

I might ask ameliorate to tweak it slightly though, as he doesn't include the opening <div> statement and it makes the queue page look inconsistent. I think we should have consistency to try and avoid confusion. Gatoclass (talk) 07:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I will probably be around to hold the bot's hand when the update is due. Enjoy your break :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Sorry, we posted at exactly the same time. Feel free to finish the update, I'm just logging off. Gatoclass (talk) 15:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Definitely can't do this one. Way past my bedtime :) I just thought I'd get it started with the pic spot before I knocked off. Gatoclass (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

DR 6 nebula[edit]

Any chance of using Image:GalacticGhoul.gif instead of Image:DR6nebula.jpg on the Main Page at Template:Did you know/Next update? -- Suntag 16:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Poison dress[edit]

Updated DYK query On 31 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Poison dress, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 20:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Confederate Monument in Russellville[edit]

Confederate Monument in Russellville is not too old. It was placed there as it was deemed unsuitable as a pairing in its earlier hook. It's only one day older, so it's not way too old.--Gen. Bedford his Forest 15:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please rebold it. Thanks.--Gen. Bedford his Forest 15:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Apega of Nabis[edit]

Thanks again. Cheers! - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page Barnstar[edit]

Main Barnstar.png The Main Page Barnstar
The Main Page Barnstar is Awarded to BorgQueen for her outstanding dedication in keeping T:DYK updated, helping out at T:DYK/N, and her hard work at WP:ERRORS keeping the Main Page error free :). Thanks for all the hard work and Dedication! All the Best, Mifter (talk) 00:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I was Looking at T:DYK/N, and I thought that you deserved a barnstar for all of you hard work on the Main Page :). All the Best :), --Mifter (talk) 00:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar endorsed. :) – RyanCross (talk) 01:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Nebuchadnezzar (Blake)[edit]

Thank you for your nom and note. Ceoil sláinte 18:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Opening Day starting pitchers[edit]

Hate to bother you with this, since it is probably a simple oversight, but is there any reason I was not given a DYK credit for this article, since it was joint submission? Rlendog (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Saw my credit. Thanks! Rlendog (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Next update[edit]

Why did you change the numbers from letters to numerals? AFAIK that is not a requirement in MOSNUM. Gatoclass (talk) 11:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I was just wondering why you did it since it's not required by MOSNUM. Part of the problem is our constantly migrating policy pages - I'm quite sure that when I checked a few weeks back it said any number that can be rendered in two syllables or less normally should be rendered as words rather than numbers. Now they've changed it to numbers zero to nine, and either way for numbers of two words or less. The important things is that we're all on the same page here at DYK :)
Anyhow, I'm not sure what you prefer, but I tend to prefer words to numerals for smaller numbers in most cases - I've been sticking to the apparently defunct "two syllable" rule up to now (although sometimes it can be more convenient to use numerals in a hook that has a sequence of numbers). I would prefer to continue using words rather numerals if that's okay with you. Gatoclass (talk) 12:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Just saw your latest post on my talk page - I thought that to begin with myself but now I think it doesn't make any difference. We have plenty of room really - just look at the gap at the bottom of the current batch, for instance :) Gatoclass (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, my talk page desperately needs archiving, but I've only done it three times before and every time I do it I have to go and read up on how it's done again. But now that you've mentioned it, I promise I will do it shortly - I hate waiting for other people's long talk pages to load too :)
Re the numbers - I just had another look at the mainpage and figured out why I don't like numerals. I think numerals turn people off. It's like, you know, if you throw a bunch of figures at people, their eyes glaze over and they stop listening. And since we often have several hooks with numbers in them, I think it can be a bit offputting to a reader. If you put the number in words however, you introduce the concept more gently.
Also, I think numerals tend to look a tad scrappy on the front page, as though someone had just crammed some shorthand notes in. I like to try and avoid that impression. Gatoclass (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Should load a bit quicker now. Thanks for the nudge :) Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Gail Robinson hook[edit]

I noticed you changed the hook for Gail Robinson. Unfortunately it doesn't make sense. "lyric coloratura" is a discriptive term and not a noun. You need to add something like "known for lyric coloratura roles". Also her voice type is a lyric coloratura soprano so the fact that she was known for lyric coloratura soprano roles is not all that unusual or interesting of a hook as there are many lyric coloratura sopranos out there. I personally think the original hook was better.Nrswanson (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for getting back to me. I think I will change it back.Nrswanson (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm back! sadly my ISP decided to lock me out over Halloween. I see that it went well and there were a respectable number of hooks. Brilliant. Did a prize get awarded? Victuallers (talk) 16:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC) I,m very surprised ... I though the Nebula gif would be eye candy for the curious. I was thinking to also look and see if we have any dyk "virgins" in the list Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


I don't have a problem with your edit, but how does it save space since it looks like you just shuffled the existing hooks? Gatoclass (talk) 05:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I understand what you mean, because I had to move the Gastrotypographicalassemblage hook from second spot as it was too long to fit comfortably with the pic. BTW, how do you like my short new talk page? Gatoclass (talk) 05:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't though of that. I guess that's another approach, but I sometimes find it frustrating to go to someone's talk page and find an old thread I wanted to contribute to has already been archived. Maybe I will pick a happy medium where I archive a bunch of hooks after a few weeks or something. Thanks for the suggestion :) Gatoclass (talk) 06:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Pic spot[edit]

Just in case you're not aware of it, there's a much bigger pic of that painting for the lead spot here. Gatoclass (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm highly sensitive to unfortunate juxtapositions in the sort order. I did try to ignore that one for a couple of hours but finally I couldn't help myself.

And anyhow, it enabled me to jack up the Noel Coward hook a tad which I thought quite a nice one. Gatoclass (talk) 13:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


We currently have a backlog of 70 hooks. I think we are going to have to go to flipping them every four hours again. I've been flipping them early most of the time for the last few days, but even so the backlog just keeps growing. Gatoclass (talk) 14:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

ok fine[edit]

You finish it off if you like .. I was going to... but I'm happy if you want to oversee it. Thx Victuallers (talk) 17:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC) My non automated bit gets uncooperative when it has just spent some time to get a block of hooks ready and is about to start adjusting it. Is then given advice on the existance of the problem it was trying to fix ..... Victuallers (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

NowCommons: Image:NebuleuseOrion.jpg[edit]

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I don't feel up to it today. I'm not really planning to do as much on DYK as I used to, I don't want to get burned out again, I'm just going to help out when I'm in the mood.

Apart from which, I don't think it's too good if one or two people do all the updates all the time, because other potential updaters seem to lose interest and go away. Gatoclass (talk) 05:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Well it's only a couple of hours since someone posted the last batch, maybe I will change my mind, but dammit, I would really like to get back to content creation, I have at least a dozen articles in various stages of development, but I keep putting off working on them for one reason or another. I really need to stop distracting myself with other things and knuckle down to it or they are just never going to get finished. Gatoclass (talk) 06:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Can you flip the update in an hour or so? I'm not sure if I'll still be up at that time. Gatoclass (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Never mind, Royalbroil is going to do it. Gatoclass (talk) 15:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

A small favor[edit]

Hi, BorgQueen. I come here to ask you for a small favor. I have had very hard time dealing with a newbie named Bukubku (talk · contribs) for his insistence/ bad faith on my credibility over checking Korean sources that the article Woo Jang-choon have. You've checked on and confirmed Korean sources whenever I bring an article to nominate for WP:DYK. You can speak both Japanese and Korean, and happen to be an admin. :) Could you spare a time and confirm on whether quotes from a Korean book, placed in a table at the newest thread is rightly referenced or not. Since the user has been saying that he can't believe me, so some help from a third person with Korean ability is required. I provided direct quotes to compare the portions of the article with the book source. So it would not take a long time. I would very appreciate if you leave your input to here. Thanks.--Caspian blue 17:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Verified articles?[edit]

Please can you advise if there is a correct way of showing that an article has been checked for accuracy by someone with the authority to do so? For example, my recent article on Megelli Motorcycles was checked by the MD and Triumph Rocket III by the designer. I've searched the help files but none the wiser so just mentioned it on the talk page. Thanks Thruxton (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK : Akkamma Cherian[edit]

Thanks a lot for selecting the article -- Tinu Cherian - 02:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Nebuchadnezzar (Blake)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 7 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nebuchadnezzar (Blake), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you SO MUCH for all that you do! Royalbroil 06:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Dehn function[edit]

Updated DYK query On 7 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dehn function, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


I'll finish it if you like. Gatoclass (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


On my screen the text was broken and started on a new line. It probably looked fine on your page because you have a wider screen.

BTW the bot doesn't appear to be working as it didn't work until I manually purged the time template.

Would you like to do the next update? I've been fooling around with one thing or another on DYK half the day and I'd like to take a break. Gatoclass (talk) 07:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I was going to do at least one more update, but all the messing around with the bot wore me out. I'm going out now to get a bit of fresh air and sunshine. Gatoclass (talk) 07:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The bot is actually working BTW, it just checks for the update every five minutes, so it can be a couple of minutes late sometimes. Gatoclass (talk) 11:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


We had an edit conflict :)

I just thought I'd quietly move it up because it's a nice article that probably deserves a higher spot, rather than the lower one I accidentally put it in. But of course it's entirely up to you where you want to put it. I decided to move it up before I knew who was going to be doing the update. Gatoclass (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if I put your hook in the last spot, it probably was flattery, since I usually reserve that spot for a particularly funny or quirky hook! :) I think it's always a good idea to end on a funny, quirky or upbeat note, it rounds things off nicely and hopefully makes people want to check for the funny hook at the end next time around. Gatoclass (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Question about Image[edit]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but I know of no other way to contact you. I have a question about one of the graphics you have created: Image:Fungi collage.jpg. I would like to discuss the copyright that is attached to it. Jesigirl1011 (talk) 13:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Biographical hooks on DYK/Next[edit]

Hey, that's my fault that there are so many biographical hooks at Next right now; I wasn't paying close enough attention when I added them. I was about to add the BOHICA hook from November 6 to mix things up a little, but then I noticed your edit summary saying 8 hooks is enough for now. If you want, you can switch one of the biographical hooks for something else (the hooks in Next currently are mostly ones that I put in there, and I'm a pretty lowly peon, so you don't have to worry about wheel warring or anything :)). —Politizer talk/contribs 06:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Finding a solution to the DYK backload[edit]

Hello BorgQueen. I saw your comment on the talk page and I decided to respond here since really that conversation is more about GA than DYK. I think you would probably agree with me that the recurring backload problem isn't going to change if things stay as they are. On the contrary, article submission seems to only be on the rise and if current trends continue we may have more than we can handle in another 6 months. I was wondering what your thoughts might be on a possible solution.Nrswanson (talk) 08:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, this needs a community-wide discussion, and it would be better if you would reply on the discussion page. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes I didn't see the new section you started until after I messaged you here. Although, sometimes its nice to talk about things outside of a debated public discussion. Right now I don't think we're likely to see any changes made at DYK.Nrswanson (talk) 02:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK image protection[edit]

Do we not have to do this anymore? I'm just wondering because I've seen a few commons pics go directly to the mainpage lately. Is it a waste of time DL'ing commons pics and uploading them to the wiki? Gatoclass (talk) 05:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually one of us happens to be an admin on commons so he protects the images there, which negates the necessity to upload c-uploaded copies, but otherwise we still have to upload here. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

My DYK[edit]

Hey there; you seem to have (from this edit comparison) removed one of my DYK suggestions for use in the main page, but it hasn't turned up :S. Any idea what happened? Ironholds (talk) 05:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh right, sorry! I didn't know there were multiple queues. Thanks for putting it up :). Ironholds (talk) 05:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


Thanks. I was going to do the next update, but unfortunately I've run out of puff trying to verify a couple of articles. I'm probably going to bed now. Sorry I haven't been able to help out much lately, but I have a lot of other things on my plate ATM. Gatoclass (talk) 13:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I hope you're right, because I've copied to queue #4 ;) Gatoclass (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thanks for adding my hook to the main page! – Obento Musubi (CGS) 18:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Plamen and Julian Konstantinov[edit]

Hey I'm glad to see things are moving along for DYK but a hook I was going to suggest a double DYK for was just grabbed. I just created Julian Konstantinov who is the opera singer brother of Plamen Konstantinov.Nrswanson (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I just created the double hook for you. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank. :-).Nrswanson (talk) 16:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the DYK on the PE Railroad Bridge! It really is a unique structure and I'm amazed there wasn't an article already. Thank you, thank you! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Missing license on main page image[edit]

Hi, just notifying you, you uploaded Image:Nassak Diamond copy.jpg without a license (the one on commons didn't exist on en), but I contacted GDonato on IRC and he fixed the problem, so all is well now. Just thought you might want to know. Have a nice day! :) neuro(talk) 17:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Siphon (mollusc)[edit]

Oh you've mistakenly credited me with a DYK for Siphon (mollusc). I just nominated it - Invertzoo did the hard work. --Geronimo20 (talk) 07:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

James Sanks Brisbin[edit]

Dear BorgQueen, James Sanks Brisbin was approved to appear on "Did you know".[11] But it did not appear on "Did you know". I started the article and User:Kresock helped to expand it. Can you please look into this issue? Have a nice day. AdjustShift (talk) 08:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. AdjustShift (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK Recent edits[edit]

Hi! I added some hooks onto the Next Update page for DYK for the first time recently, just was wondering if I did anything wrong/could do anything better? I would hate to get in the way. \ / () 13:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Molecular modeling on GPU[edit]

Hi. Thank you for the help. One problem: due to resize of image it lost sharpness. What is the usual way to fix it? I can resize image in graphic editor. Is this a good idea? P99am (talk) 13:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK Kevin Werbach[edit]

hi there, you left a message on my talk page that his article/hook will be appearing today (22nd) on the front page (but I can’t see it).... am I missing anything (update or something)? Ta--SasiSasi (talk) 13:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

ohhh....i slept right through it! ta--SasiSasi (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


With this, see how the TOC expands to include all the article headers? It was done that way to avoid having a huge TOC. If you can fix it so the intro text isn't squashed up that would be great. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Politizer has fixed it. – How do you turn this on (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Minatogawa Man[edit]

Updated DYK query On 23 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Minatogawa Man, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

07:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, BorgQueen![edit]

Lovely picture, the flower on this page! Will you help me to ansver one question? Is there any limitation on how many images one should use in one article? ( I was reding and reading everywhere but I can not find any ansvers.)

Warrington (talk) 12:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Not really. You are supposed to use common sense; an article shouldn't be crowded with too many images. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Warrington (talk) 12:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK Áed Ua Crimthainn[edit]

Thanks for your note on my talk page. Strawless (talk) 13:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Levenmouth rail link DYK[edit]

Shouldn´t D-Notice have also been acknowleged as he first created the artcle, even though i expanded it? (Simply south) --Please can you think of one? (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

That was me above. Are DYK only given to those who have made a significant contribution to the article or is it given to both the expander and creator? Simply south (talk) 18:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Why are you guys asking me these questions...? I am not the one who assigned the credit notices; you should check the history of the next update page. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
There is only one person here. Never mind, i am going to award D-Notice myself as i am certain he should have gotten it. Simply south (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate content[edit]

We removed already.

You should remove the 'Nude' thing. GreyMatterEchoUKfan (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You mean, something like this? 718smiley-jonathan.svg --BorgQueen (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
LOL. AdjustShift (talk) 15:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Ocean surface wave model[edit]

Updated DYK query On 25 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ocean surface wave model, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 01:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to you[edit]

Thank you for the DYK on the white horse (mythology) – I even saw it on the main page! Best, Julia Rossi (talk) 05:53, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Spinning %28polymers%29[edit]

Updated DYK query On 25 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Spinning (polymers), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey...thanks for the nomination! Wizard191 (talk) 13:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a note[edit]

Hi BorgQueen, sorry to bother you. I was wanted to let you know that the extra hook has been added, and the next update is ready to be moved to the queue. \ / () 05:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Musical plagiarism[edit]

Updated DYK query On 26 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Musical plagiarism, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Adding extra spaces for multiple credits[edit]

When you swapped hooks, you didn't add extra spaces for Punkmorten, which resulted in the bot giving the same credit twice on his talk page. It is stated in the instruction: If the same editor has written/nominated multiple articles add different amounts of spaces after the username for the additional articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Whooops! I didn't know that. Sorry! And thank you for letting me know. BTW, I've fixed the template on Punkmorten's talk page. --PFHLai (talk) 23:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Perfluorononanoic acid[edit]

Updated DYK query On 28 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Perfluorononanoic acid, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Nameless, Tennessee at DYK[edit]

I didn't react fast enough when other contributors created an alternate hook for Nameless, Tennessee. Nameless is not a "town." In Tennessee, a town is a name for an incorporated municipality. Tennessee doesn't have townships. My original hook did not use the word "town." --Orlady (talk) 05:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

The hook has been corrected. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. --Orlady (talk) 06:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I left a message on my talk page regarding this - I must have missed it when moving it across. Apologies. \ / () 06:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Pulicat Lake[edit]

Hi! Thank you very much for accepting my DYK on Pulicat Lake. It is incidentally my 25th DYK and it is special.--Nvvchar (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


I was just about to copy over the template to the queue when you already did it. Can I have a go at putting together the next queue, so I can get back into the groove with DYK? - Mgm|(talk) 15:56, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

  • P.S. Should I pick expiring noms or just stick to the noms that aren't stale yet? - Mgm|(talk) 15:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll answer my phone now and start straight away in 3-5 minutes time. - Mgm|(talk) 16:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Call is over. I'm starting now. - Mgm|(talk) 16:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I had my browser crash on me, but I'm still working on it. I'll let you know when I'm done. (You might want to check my work). _ Mgm|(talk) 16:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


In terms of this; on my screen there's a good 2 centimeters between them. I'm using Firefox 3 on XP, 1280x1024 resolution... Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm wondering whether the majority of users are on what type of monitor. I asked a few people on IRC and almost all of them said they're using widescreen resolutions; you're sure you want me to change it back? It seems us standard users are the minority here, and I too hate being selfish. :) Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Haha, thanks! I love the sheep and bunnies. :) Though you gain back points with that awesome flower. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I've mentioned it at T:ITN, will add to T:DYK and respective talk pages/editnotices. Where do you think we could get a proper poll running? Village pump? Talk:Main Page? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to put up a sitenotice pointing to Wikipedia:Main page/Monitor poll, which will contain a list of common resolutions and a definition of what is standard/what is widescreen, plus voting links. Hopefully that works. What do you think? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 22:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
It's up. Want to check it before I post the sitenotice? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 23:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK Best[edit]

What is the rule for DYKs that spillover into the next day. Will Saxbe fix get any credit for additional hits after 0:00?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it will. I will update the total hits as soon as today's data becomes available (usually around 0:10 UTC tomorrow). --BorgQueen (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems you were right to expect a monster number. I am wondering whether you think the 11/28 Kasim Reed hook would get 5K. It seems like a juicy enough hook, but he is totally unknown? As the lead with the picture I think it would, but you obviously have a better eye for this than me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The DYK Bot[edit]

Hi, BorgQueen. At this edit, the DYK Bot added a DYK credit to my Talk page on your behalf, but at the same time deleted everything else from the page. It must be a malfunction, could you possibly ask someone to look into it? Regards, Xn4 (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot not working?[edit]

Is the bot not working? I notice that it doesn't appear to have done the credits and cleared the page for the latest update. Is it back to manual editing again? Gatoclass (talk) 13:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The bot seems to be functioning erratically. It has done the credits for the latest but haven't cleared the page, and hasn't done the credits for the one before. Unfortunately its creator seems to be going through some tough time as well. Are you willing to volunteer to do the credits for the previous update? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll do the credits. Just give me a minute as I'm involved in a little wikidrama ATM. Gatoclass (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, done. What problems is Ameliorate having? It's a nuisance having an erratic bot, it needs to be fixed ASAP. Gatoclass (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I hope he isn't going to leave us with a dysfunctional bot. If he does I guess we'll have to try to find another coder to debug what he's done so far, assuming the code is available somewhere. And in the meantime go back to manual updating, which isn't a terribly exciting prospect.
Very strange that it worked fine for its fourteen day trial, and has only now started to play up. Hopefully it's something to do with his service provider problems, and will be sorted out shortly. Gatoclass (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

John Milton[edit]

Hi, its been a while. I just wanted to leave a note about an idea that I had - Milton's 400th birthday is December 9th. I am going to start creating a bunch of pages to fill in the massive amount of information lacking (on his works, aspects of his life, relationship, legacy, etc), seeing as how he is the second most studied individual within English Literature (Shakespeare being the first). I would like to have multiple back to back DYK (not necessarily within the same DYK block, but one following after another) during his birthday. This would most likely need an IAR to justify it. These pages will be worked on by quite a bit of people, and each DYK would have multiple complex DYK entires (i.e. multiple new/expanded articles per each) focusing on the major aspects (his life, his politics, his writings, etc). I'm going to start the ball rolling this Friday so it will within the standard DYK process. I will also mention something on the DYK talk page. However, do you see any major difficulties for an IAR push to have a DYK per DYK period on the main page during his birthday? And possibly including a little longer entry to include information on it (like a parenthetical note saying "born on this day 400 years ago")? 400th anniversaries are rare, so I was hoping that it would allow a slight bending of the rules. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

25 DYKs[edit]

Hi, BorgQueen. When you have a minute could you please check to see if I qualify for a 25 DYK medal? Maybe the new bots are missing those. Thanks a lot. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. Gatoclass took care of it. Cheers. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
My question is the same. SusanLesch started/developed 25 DYKs. I've got 26 DYKs. 16 were started/developed by me and 10 were nominated by me. To get the medal, do I have to start/develop 25 DYKs? Do I get the credit for nominating other people's DYKs? Have a nice day. AdjustShift (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't really care about this medal thing. I do appreciate when someone gives me a barnstar/barnmedal/etc., but I don't actively hunt them. So probably I am not the one you should inquire about the topic. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. I also don't care about medal, but this list had some affect on me. :-) I saw the list about a month ago, and I tried get on that list. Perhaps now I should focus on GAs/FAs/FLs. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot revisited[edit]

Is it working again yet? Gatoclass (talk) 06:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is working now. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Roger Hooker Leavitt[edit]

Thank you kindly for letting me know about this article. Take care and regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 07:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for feedback[edit]

I thought you might be interested in reading an essay I just wrote on the use of info boxes. I'd appriciate hearing your opinion. The essay is at Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes.Nrswanson (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK notification thanks[edit]

Hi BorgQueen, thanks for putting my article on the Ineligibility Clause on WP:DYK. This is the first time I had ever nominated an article for this (and I've been on Wikipedia for 2 1/2 years!). --Eastlaw (talk) 02:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK notification thank you for Patuxet[edit]

Hi BorgQueen: This is my first day on a talk page - so you'll have to excuse any errors! But, I believe this is the part where I am supposed to write a thank you to both you and Orlady for nominating the Patuxet article that I input this past week. So... thank you!!! --Rawhyd (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

FYI on a DYK typo needing attention[edit]

The "next update" that you just queued includes a piece of debris left over from editing: It says that John Kelly was promoted "while during" the Iraq War. I think that the original wording "while in Iraq" is the correct one, rather than "during the war," since the point is that he was promoted while IN a combat zone -- not while back in the office during an ongoing war some place else. --Orlady (talk) 22:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

So fixed. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy BorgQueen/archive5's Day![edit]

Featured article star.svg

User:BorgQueen/archive5 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as BorgQueen/archive5's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear BorgQueen/archive5!


A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. RlevseTalk 02:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

That's lovely! --BorgQueen (talk) 06:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Page view stats[edit]

Are December page view statistics going to be available soon. I do not see them at (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I should say the dropdown is not working, but if I play with the URL I can see the stats.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


Mrs. Queen, I'm not avoiding {{cite book}} format. In most articles, citations are cited in this format. I've added an even better Template:Harvard citation to the article.[12] Have a nice day.

BTW, Mrs. Queen, I asked this question to you precisely because you have not awarded any DYK medal to anyone. If you had awarded any DYK medal to anyone, I would not have asked that question to you. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 03:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Gemstone irradiation[edit]

Hello, BorgQueen. I just wanted to let you know that I nominated the above article you created at T:TDYK. Feel free to make changes to the hook. I know you're still in the middle of an expansion to the article, so take your time (but don't take too long). – RyanCross (talk) 06:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Native speaker of Korean[edit]

Annyong Haseo! (Too bad that I can't type Korean characters from my computer) I can't believe you are a native speaker of Korean! I thought you were an American or a British. Your username is BorgQueen, so I also thought that you could be from Sweden. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Yep! AdjustShift (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
BTW, I was very surprise when I found that. You have over 100 edits to the bio of Benjamin Franklin. I'm also interested in his life. So, I was reviewing your edits to Benjamin Franklin. I accidentally visited your older userpage.
So your name comes from Star Trek! I don't know much about Star Trek. I'll read our Borg (Star Trek) article. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Now I understand where your name comes from! Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 16:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Next DYK[edit]

It seems that the next DYK archive, which is #4 is empty and the bot is suppose to run in less than a half hour.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Gemstone irradiation[edit]

Updated DYK query On 5 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gemstone irradiation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Missing a warehouse[edit]

Hello! I just got notice of the DYK for my article Juke Joint (1947 film) -- thank you! However, on the DYK page, in the "From Wikipedia's newest articles" listing for that article, a word is missing. The word "warehouse" is supposed to be at the end of the sentence. Can you please update that? Many thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 00:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

PS Someone copy edited the sentence after I posted this message. However, I noticed the article itself didn't get a DYK citation on its Talk Page. Can you please take care of that? And thank you, again, for your interest in the articles I am bringing to DYK. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
PPS Actually, I decided to be WP:BOLD and figured out how to add the DYK citation to the page. All is well. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 04:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


Cheers for the revert. Those long pages always cut out on me. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 05:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry to be a bore but can you delete my subpage? I'm done with the write up. Cheers. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 05:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Cheers! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 05:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Diamond Feature Article[edit]

Tks for allowing me to make a few edits to this page by unprotecting it. If my additions are acceptable, I'll make some more edits later. Regards, Goldpan (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)goldpan

DYK'd: Jose C. Abriol[edit]

Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

A thanks-for-reverting-the-vandalism-on-my-userpage cookie[edit]

Five article hook[edit]

Thanks for notifying me on my 5-barrelled DYK. Did you mean to notify me also of the fifth article, Royal Page Davidson? Do you know if a 5 article hook has been done before? What is the largest you have seen? --Doug Coldwell talk 22:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and the largest one I remember is a hook about Egyptian temples, loaded with seven or eight bolded links. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll never be able to do that. It took a lot of brain cells to get these five. I'll wait then to get the fifth article credit from you on Royal Page Davidson, the son of Harlan Page Davidson - then I'll have credit for all five. Everyone counts toward my goal of 100. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 12:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Error in a current DYK queue[edit]

FYI: Queue 2 (the next one to go live) has a "that that" in it. --Orlady (talk) 02:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Proper Spanish[edit]

On 2 Dec 2008 you renamed the entry on Gilberto Bosques Saldivar by adding the acute accent to the mother's surname. In an apparent attempt at sophistication, you wrote your edit summary in Spanish. Unfortunately, you misspelled *acento* in an English influenced way. ¿BongQueen, maybe? It is a phenomenon often seen among PC thinking white Americans to give themselves an 'A' for effort: flourishing scraps of Spanish they don't really know the proper use of -- like holding a pretty, exotic scarf to themselves and making a twirl in front of friends.

Moreover, you did not follow a WP guideline by first proposing a "move" (renaming) on the Talk page. Or at least until very recently, it was a WP guideline to not do moves peremptorily unless you are quite sure they are not controversial (e.g., to correct an undisputed misspelling). You misjudged in considering this move beyond controversy. Even worse is that such a guideline disregard done by so experienced a Wikipedian as yourself. At the same time, your notion has substantial merit. I would have welcomed the invitation to discuss the perplexity I have felt for some months when it comes to what to do with original diacritics. Hurmata (talk) 07:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

"White Americans"? ROFL. I am neither white nor American. All of these are pretty irrelevant, anyway, since you are talking about an edit summary, not a main article space, right? So what does it matter if I made a misspelling, or two - this is not a spelling contest. It would have been more persuasive if you rather told me that I shouldn't use Spanish language on English Wikipedia, which I would agree. (By the way, I did notice some Americans and Brits do use short Spanish phrases/words like "gracias" or "de nada" to appear cool, but does it bother you...? I will rather be flattered if foreigners use my native language to appear cool or sexy.)
And yes, I did think it was beyond controversy not to omit accents, since my article Sandra Ávila Beltrán has been moved for the reason, and so were Hugo Chávez, Omar Chávez, and countless other articles. Could you point me to a naming convention guideline page regarding the use of accent? Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Back so soon from your break! Anyway, let's follow the usual WP practice of conducting a discussion between two WPans entirely where it started; then no cutting and pasting will be necessary. On my talk page, you asked me, "Could you point me to a naming convention guideline page regarding the use of accent? Thanks." My point was that *that* was *my* question exactly. What you ought to have done when you wanted to rename the article is to go to the article's talk page and create an entry announcing your wish and soliciting comment. Among other things, this would have increased the chances that somebody knowledgeable would have advised us whether a guideline exists. Hurmata (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Copying and pasting the message one is replying to is fine; many established editors do so. Actually what you told me was that I should not have moved the page, since you believed it was not beyond controversy. You didn't ask me any "question". And I asked the question because I assumed you are certain that your claim is backed up by our guideline, and now I realize you are not. You really should have done some research before complaining. Hugo Chávez is a high-traffic BLP watched by many Spanish-speaking editors; If anything is wrong with its naming it would have been corrected ages ago. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot format[edit]

Thanks. I promised myself I wouldn't come back to DYK again until I got some of my own articles finished, but then I went and stupidly tagged a couple of pages with POV tags which meant I had to try and fix them instead, which in one instance turned out to be a huge job...sigh. So still I haven't got my own stuff done. I do sort of keep an eye on DYK though, I tend to pop up when I see it's getting close to being late, but happily it seems there has always been an update or two in the queue lately.

As for the bot format - no-one told me that! And where are the bot instructions now?

It's a bit of an esoteric requirement, be an improvement if we could get rid of that... Gatoclass (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't think to look there!
I guess I'm a little behind on the bot front, I worked hard with Ameliorate to get the new system embedded, but then after we got everything sorted out to our mutual satisfaction, he altered the system again to automate the credits as well, but since no new instructions were posted on the discussion page (unless I missed them), I just assumed it worked more or less the same as before.
I really do think that's a far from satisfactory solution though, and if and when Ameliorate comes back to play I think we'll have to see if we can coax him to come up with something a bit more transparent. Gatoclass (talk) 09:43, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hook variety[edit]

Goodness me, there are a LOT of people hooks/US hooks on the Suggestions page! Looks to me like somebody has been neglecting to ensure an appropriate balance of hooks in the updates again... Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yep, thought so, looking through the last eight or so updates, there isn't a single one with more than three US hooks, and half of them have only two. Looks like the message still isn't quite getting through to some of our updaters unfortunately. Gatoclass (talk) 11:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I am getting a headache. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that! Anyhow I might have a word with Orlady, she seems to have done a lot of the updates recently, and she may not be aware of the need to watch the number of US hooks in the mix. Gatoclass (talk) 13:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
My ears were burning, so I'll weigh in here. I am well aware of the need to balance the number of U.S. hooks. In recent days, there fewer-than-average U.S. hooks on the suggestions page (probably as a result of the Thanksgiving holiday), so balancing the topics between U.S. and non-U.S. hooks generally meant having about 3 U.S. hooks and 5 others. (I confess that being an American myself, I find it refreshing when U.S. hooks don't dominate the collection.) At the same time, there has been a large number of biographical hooks. I tried to maintain a balance of biographical hooks and others (and no more than one professional footballer per set), but there was at least one other updater who was systematically avoiding biographical hooks (I started that set, but stayed away after an inuse template was posted; and BorgQueen ended up adding one biographical hook to that set before posting it, so it had one), thus leaving a concentration of biographicals on the suggestions page. --Orlady (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong Orlady, I think you are doing a great job! Your updates are generally very well selected. It never hurts though, to emphasize the importance of matching the number of US hooks with the approximate proportion at suggestions, which usually means about 50% US. Having had more time to look into it though, I think the main problem we have right now is probably caused more by the current shortage of hooks than by any other factor, so now that we have wound the bot time back, hopefully things will get back to normal soon. Gatoclass (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


I wanted to run this by you before I take it to AN. I am concerned with Gatoclass's DYK philosophy as of late. He is applying standards that are not part of DYK and will not pass things unless they meet his additional standards. As you know, Gatoclass was involved in DYK disputes on AN/ANI that involved many, many claims of cliquish behavior in the DYK process, and these actions are only verifying those previous claims. I defended him when there was a simple standard and he applied it before, but he has made it clear as of late that he no longer applies the standard DYK rubric. I find this extremely troubling. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

  • BorgQueen, please also see Ottava's comments at Gatoclass's talk page and mine. I don't want to turn your talk page into a battleground by responding to them here, so I'll keep my mouth shut and let Ottava's own comments speak for themselves. Thank you for your time, —Politizer talk/contribs 17:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot time period[edit]

I see you adjusted it back to eight hours. I think that's justified since we're already back to 130 articles on the suggestions page, but it's amazing how quickly the number turned around! I'll try to remember to keep a close eye on the total over the next day or two. Gatoclass (talk) 06:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused. Did you reset it to fire at eight hours or not? Because judging by the time template, it looks like it's still firing every twelve hours. Gatoclass (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Well the clock says it's seven hours since the last update but there is still four hours to go to the next one. Therefore, I concluded that it must still be firing on a twelve hour cycle. Gatoclass (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: Greek riots[edit]

Yes, I'm studying in Thessaloniki until the end of the month. It is a bit scary here, but it was very exciting being able to take some pictures. I did get a little too close to some tear gas, but those are the sacrifices you make in the name of journalism, are they not? I am glad I'm not in Athens, though...apparently the entire city has completely shut down. I was thinking about going and taking some more pictures today. If I don't edit again after today, I suppose you'll know why! GlassCobra 07:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


No, because it's her birthday. Gatoclass (talk) 05:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't really take credit for it because it wasn't my idea :) Anyhow, I have added her to the previous queue because she didn't want to be in the other one. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Note 2[edit]

Art LaPella tried to claim that block quotes and the rest no longer count as Readable Prose. According to the agreed Consensus definition, only these are excluded: list found here. I wanted to note that if he attempts to enforce his "unspoken" rules, I will go to Village Pump to have community consensus declare that any unspoken rules cannot be used in such a way. Having such contradictory ideas that defy consensus is not fair to the enyclopedia or the community. This is to note the direct contradiction between his action and Wikipedia Guidelines. Further links will be provided if and when this goes to Village Pump so the community can be made aware of what is happening and declare once again that it needs to stop. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Credit[edit]

Hi BorgQueen. I nominated the Samuel McDowell article for DYK, but appear to have been left off the bot credit table.[13] If you would consider providing me with the nom credit, I would appreciate it. Thanks. -- Suntag 17:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


Time to go back to a six hour cycle, we have about 170 hooks on the suggestions page now. Gatoclass (talk) 04:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. Feels so good to use rollback on my own edits! :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 04:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure?[edit]

OK, sounds good. When I see a continued bump on Day 2, and those are the only bump days the article's ever had, I tend to assume it's DYK related. I checked the Mark Eden bust developer which is a similar situation, but concluded it does not qualify. Cbl62 (talk) 05:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for DYK on Castle Crags Wilderness[edit]

Dear BQ- Wow, my very first DYK for Castle Crags wilderness!! Thankyou!! I am jazzed now. Also, I don't know if the article Ahjumawi Lava Springs State Park qualifies for DYK, but if I can make it qualify I'd be happy to do so. Hook: The ONLY state park in California that is boat-in access only. Please let me know if I can make this happen. It is one of the very first articles I expanded on.

Sincerely, Jazzed Editor Marcia Wright Marcia Wright (talk) 15:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot format[edit]

Is it really necessary to line them all up like that? It doesn't say so in the instructions on the next update page. Gatoclass (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Queue 5[edit]

I see that you accepted the Tom Weisner hook. Are people supposed to know where "Aurora" is? --Orlady (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I was away. I see it has been fixed by User:PFHLai. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about Hiram Leavitt DYK[edit]

Many thanks for letting me know about Hiram. Take care and have a lovely weekend. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Improper change to WP DYK[edit]

This change is improper. Only two people agreed, and there is a proposal to ensure that there is a different definition of how to measure "expansion" which is closer to the original way before Art's "unwritten rules" was produced this summer. This edit is completely improper, and the edit summary is 100% opposite of the truth. Notifying the user of this problem has resulted in him reverting the notice and not reverting his improper change nor remedying the fact that his edit summary is incorrect. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Gatoclass just claimed that he will oppose Rlevse for saying that the community should support through consensus any changes to the DYK. This ill considered act is just one of many that Gato has been involved in as of late. I was his friend. I supported him. But his actions recently are 100% uncalled for. It is extremely inappropriate to attack another in that way when they express a standard WP:CONSENSUS opinion. If he will even bother to listen to you, could you please talk with him? Because his actions have shown that he isn't fit to work DYK as an admin anymore. Ottava Rima (talk) 05:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK credit for Thompson Pond[edit]


Thanks for the notice on my talk page about the DYK credit for Mianus River Gorge. In the same update, there was a DYK for Thompson Pond which I created and submitted. I'm happy to add the notice myself, but dont want to step on any toes. Thanks dm (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! dm (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi BorgQueen. Would you please look over the posts at User talk:DYKBot. I emailed Ameliorate! about them, but thought that you should be aware as well. Thanks. -- Suntag 07:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It happens when the credit section is not properly formatted, i.e. If the same editor has written/nominated multiple articles we have to add different amounts of spaces after the username for the additional articles, as instructed here. The number of the additional spaces must match the number of the additional articles, otherwise the bot will overwrite a previous credit notice. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Lexus DYK[edit]

I added the nomination for "Ball Bearing (Lexus)" and it appeared on the Main Page, but the article talk page and I did not receive DYK credits. Balance (Lexus) appeared on the Main Page, but Talk:Balance (Lexus) was not DYK tagged, either. The two article talk pages should be DYK tagged, Octave8 needs DYK creator credit for Ball Bearing (Lexus) and Balance (Lexus), I believe I should receive DYK nominator credit for Ball Bearing (Lexus), and Hassocks5489 should receive nominator credit[14] for Balance (Lexus). Would you take a look at this? Thanks. -- Suntag 08:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

FYI, Octave8 duly received the credit notices from the bot, so did Hassocks5489. You and the article talk pages were the only ones left. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Khedive Palace[edit]

Hi. Thanks so much again for your contribution. Cheers.CeeGee (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Malta Pavilion[edit]

Hi again BorgQueen! I appreciate indeed very much your contributions. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays![edit]

Happy Holidays :)! All the Best :), --Mifter (talk) 00:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


Hey, sorry the revert on Template talk:Did you know. Made in haste. anamexis (talk) 00:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Stat update[edit]

When can I check stats for Rod Blagojevich federal fraud cases.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I am not the one who maintains the traffic site. You will have to ask User:Henrik. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't expecting much more than 10-15 with the Blago pic.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Update[edit]

When I did the update a while back I took entries from the top date in expiring noms as you suggested, but now my own article was on the list it, and several others, didn't get picked all throughout December 16 (the last official day) in favor of newer articles. Was it because it wasn't officially confirmed? I know it shouldn't matter much, but I do want to take a stab at a reasonable DYK creation record for myself and it won't work if my creations aren't selected.- Mgm|(talk) 05:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Your hook will be selected as long as it satisfies the requirements; it is just a matter of time. I don't regularly review entries, but I am sure one of the regular reviewers will soon take care of it. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Queue 5 hook[edit]

Err, I was so happy that the hook for Kainourgia Ego would be on dyk the day it was released, but it seems that overnight it has been pushed back to Dec 22. So could you just take the "released today" part out? Thanks. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you change "one" to "release" too please :) Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Combined hooks[edit]

Looks fine to me, as long as everyone is ok with that. --IvoShandor (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Best[edit]

But they were enlisted with images in the section above. Only lead entries have images right?????????? --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

OOOOOO. my mistake. Sorry. But shouldn't the hooks be as they were with/without images - thus dignifying them as lead or non-lead --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't that be noted that the image does not mean a lead image, there be some column in table to distinguish leads and non-leads. That's an important fact to judge how good a DYK was - thus proving a guide for further ones. Absolutely, images (leads) play a big part in those hits. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC) OOOOOOO thats right :) --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


For the badly worded hook I added, that you had to fix. I don't know what I was thinking. \ / ( | ) 06:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK template[edit]

Hi, I'd just like to let you know what the template {{DYKsug}} was just updated with a new feature: now, for all DYK nominations that include only one article, it auto-generates the credit templates ({{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}}), which the person moving the hook to Next may simply cut and past from T:TDYK directly into next. This only happens with single-article nominations; if the nomination has more than one article, there will be a message in the template saying "Credits must be done manually by the person moving this nomination to Next" or something like that. It will probably be a few days before you start seeing the auto-generated credit templates, since the template was only just updated and only the new nominations will reflect it; the first several times you see auto-generated credit templates, you may want to double-check the nom as you are promoting it, just to make sure the credits are correct.

There have been some other minor changes—mainly, now if a DYK nominator lists himself as both "creator/expander" and "nominator," the "nominator" field ends up blank (so that what gets displayed is "Created by User, self nom" rather than "[[Created by User, nominated by User." Also, the fields, |collaborator=, |collaborator2=, and |collaborator3= have been replaced with the more intuitive |creator2=, |creator3=, and |creator4=.

Please let me know if you experience any problems with the new template. —Politizer talk/contribs 15:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Queue 1: Chanda Kochhar[edit]

The hook is "... that according to Fortune, Chanda Kochhar, soon to be CEO of India's largest private bank, is the 25th most powerful woman in business?" The article was nominated in the morning with the bank's name. Please link India's largest private bank to ICICI Bank or add the bank's name. Just "India's largest private bank" is too vague and results in the question which one?? Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick action. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Flooding on ITN[edit]

Thanks for the update but I think an ITN entry cannot start with numerics, no? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response, BorgQueen. Real life got in the way.... I've re-written that line on ITN. Hope it's better now. Thanks for the note. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

eden ahbez[edit]

Question: Is it possible to move this article to the proper title? Currently, if you click on eden ahbez, for example, in the article about the song "Nature Boy," you are taken to eden Ahbez, which is a redirect from Eden ahbez. This is not correct. The name should be spelt with no capital letters. There is also Eden Ahbez, which should redirect to the proper name. How do we sort this out? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


Just wanted to say thanks for notifying me about the DYKs - and thanks for all the work on DYK you do in general. --Josh Atkins (talk - contribs) 12:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Quindaro Townsite[edit]

Hi, thanks for the notification.--Parkwells (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

RE:Greek montage[edit]

Thanks a ton! :) I've also been meaning to compliment you on your absolutely fantastic ITN/DYK work. Good stuff! Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 21:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Toa Payoh ritual murders[edit]

Sorry about the mistake on Toa Payoh. All of the DYKs in that set had a small 2nd day bump on DYK, which led me to think that the group must have spilled over. It is good to have the data back. Cbl62 (talk) 23:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK thanks[edit]

Thank you for Philip DYK... ;) --➨Candlewicke  :) Sign/Talk 04:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama 2009 presidential inauguration[edit]

Someone added my Barack Obama 2009 presidential inauguration article that was created on the 19th to the next queue on the 20th. I was hoping to have 3 or 4 more days to clean this up for the main page. Can someone slide it back to the talk page?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Matthias Dolderer[edit]

Hi! Thanks so much for the surprise. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Italicization at T:TDYK[edit]

Hi BorgQueen, I left a response to your comments here. "Suanmeitang" is not a brand name, but just the description/name of the drink (like "orange juice"), so I'm not sure if it should be italicized or not. What do you think? —Politizer talk/contribs 15:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I've asked an expert to comment. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day Of Winter![edit]

John W. Rogers[edit]

It still read wrong. Please move "in a game of one-on-one" to after Jordan.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Suicide bag DYK nomination[edit]

Hello, could you possibly take a look at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Suicide_bag? Your input would be appreciated. – RyanCross (talk) 09:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


DYK hook having 9 articles.PNG

Appreciate the 9 accolades for today's DYK. However, for what-ever-reason you doubled up on the credits and gave them to me twice. Very busy schedule, I would guess. I believe the 9-article hook is now a record that I broke from the previous 8-article hook done by User:Gatoclass. --Doug Coldwell talk 13:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You mean the bot did. Are you aware it is an automated process? Please don't say I doubled them up manually. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I realize that now and apologize for the mistake. Since then I sent a message to User talk:Ameliorate! who runs the BOT or a similar BOT and the BOT missed the banner credit for two of the articles. BTW, the doubling credit has been corrected. They couldn't get me to do the job you are doing at Wikipedia - as it is, they are not paying me enough to write up these articles. FYI, I received an accolade for writing up the article accolade. --Doug Coldwell talk 23:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


Should be padded up on the next upadte. and DYK accordindly. Seems liek there is a backlog.YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 01:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


See this. Gatoclass (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


Ummm... no firm opinion either way. I think "Arizona" is probably okay on its own, but maybe it would be an idea to have a quick look through the archives and see this issue has been handled in the past. Gatoclass (talk) 09:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

There are lots of different Perths and Derbys, but AFAIK there is only one Arizona. So perhaps you've just stumbled on another unwritten rule :) Gatoclass (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, that makes it a little trickier. I don't know, I tend to think that Arizona is so well known it doesn't need further explanation. You would probably only need to use the extra information if it was Arizona City or Arizona Mexico, because they are rarely referred to. For places like Perth or Derby though - they could be anywhere. Gatoclass (talk) 09:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BTW, who raised the objection? Gatoclass (talk) 09:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, after all this discussion I'm afraid I still have no firm opinion :) It tends to be a seat of the pants thing for me. Sometimes I include the "U.S." and sometimes I don't, but I couldn't tell you exactly what prompts me to do one thing one time and another the next. I think for me a lot depends on the flow of the sentence, I like hooks to be easily digestible and not to consist of too many different clauses. Gatoclass (talk) 10:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Father Christmas sent me...[edit]

Got your note[edit]

What I've been doing is taking hooks from Queue 3 as non-Christmas fill-ins for the next update. Not sure it's the most elegant way to handle it, but I think it will work. Once I finish this, somebody's going to need to alter the queue order per your comment. Cbl62 (talk) 08:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas hooks[edit]

Are you around BQ? I note that it's already Christmas in some parts of the world, but the next two updates don't have a single Christmas hook.

It seems to me we only have enough Xmas hooks for six updates, and on a six-hour cycle we actually need to stretch them over eight updates. I'm thinking we should revert to an eight hour cycle over the next 48 hours, so that we can have Christmas hooks running the whole time, what do you think?

Please answer me quickly as the next update is due in less than an hour. Gatoclass (talk) 13:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

That's okay, I'm sure we can manage. Would you mind changing the cycle? I don't know how to do it. I will load up the next queue with one of the Xmas updates. Gatoclass (talk) 13:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, we only have enough Xmas hooks for six updates, and they have to stretch over 48 hours, so we need to be on an eight hour cycle, starting with the next update. It's already about 3 hours into Christmas Day in New Zealand, for example, so the next update will have to be the first Xmas one. Gatoclass (talk) 13:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Altering templates? I have no idea what that is, but if it's easier, feel free to do it that way :) Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Now that I think of it, an easier way to manage this would just be to alter two of the existing updates with three Xmas hooks apiece, then we basically have all six Xmas updates ready! Gatoclass (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, okay, but it does mean you will have to be alert and not accidentally let one of the existing updates with no Xmas hooks get displayed... Gatoclass (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
That was definitely the easy way. Thanks for saving me some unnecessary sweat. Merry Christmas BTW :) Gatoclass (talk) 13:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your repeated informing me of my successful DYKs (including my most recent 19th and 20th DYKs - the first occasion I have had two in the same batch!). In relation to "Merry Christmas Jakey Boy" I'm also working on the Jake Stevens article which features on the hook so perhaps it will qualify for bolding soon to give a double Christmas DYK. --➨Candlewicke  :) Sign/Talk 14:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Jake Stevens should now meet the criteria for bolding. --➨Candlewicke  :) Sign/Talk 16:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Best Wishes[edit]

File:Mars celebrations.jpg
Best wishes and a great new year Victuallers (talk) 16:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


I do indeed agree. In preparing the Christmas updates, I intentionally tried to avoid topics involving war, brutality, weaponry, etc. As Christmas has already started in many parts of the worlds, best to save Procopio for another day. When the time is right, though, I'd appreciate it if you could try to queue it up for a time that is not the middle of the night here in California. Best wishes for the holidays! Cbl62 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

We need more boxing day hooks. But seriously, have a good holiday. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 05:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings[edit]

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 06:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Single source article[edit]

It's not ideal but we don't actually have a rule against it. The information in the article doesn't appear to be particularly controversial or POV, so I'd say it's probably okay to run. Gatoclass (talk) 09:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Emergency fixes to DYK[edit]

I hope I've got everything patched up in your absence. Here's hoping your holidays are safe and happy ones. - Dravecky (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Botan River[edit]

Hi! Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year. Thanks a lot for your contribution again. CeeGee (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot problems[edit]

I see you're still popping in for the occasional edit. Any chance you could take a look at the formatting for the bot credits? Ameliorate! has retired, and the creator credits are not being given out, although the nom credits are. About the only reason I can think of for it suddenly not working is that the formatting of the updates is not being done properly, but since I'm still not entirely clear on what the correct format is exactly, I'd appreciate it if you took a look at the problem. Gatoclass (talk) 11:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it might be worthwhile getting rid of the hidden credit strings, logically they shouldn't make a difference but one can never be sure, and the bot was working fine before they were introduced, so I guess that's the next thing to try. Failing that, I guess we'll have to ask at wp:botreq for someone to take a look. Gatoclass (talk) 05:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Bot seems to be behaving itself again. Looks like it was those comment fields after all :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009[edit]

Happy New Year BorgQueen/archive5!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!

2005 Nagaoka Festival 001.jpg Krischbluetenfest-Hamburg.jpgHanabi in Adachi-ku1.jpg
-RavichandarMy coffee shop 11:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


What was the original text of Poroy? It is a suburb of Puno and/or a RR station of Puno as well as the capital of the Poroy District of Peru Poroy Shows Poroy station. Peter Horn 02:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The deleted article starts with "A Poroy is a hot guy..." Don't make me repeat the whole joke, please. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

Traditional Banana Boat.jpg

Dear BorgQueen, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks again for your hard work on DYK! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


Welcome back!

If you haven't figured it out already, the bot was transferred to the toolserver, which then went down and when it came back the bot didn't come back with it. User:Nixeagle is the guy in charge of the bot now, but he is on vacation and won't be back until sometime next week, so it's back to manual updating for now. Gatoclass (talk) 03:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

And after doing four of the last five manual updates, I can't wait for the bot to come back or at least more of the DYK regulars to come back from break, vacation, exile, or whatever. It's been exciting to lend a hand to keep this thing running but it's cratered my article creation time and, since it would be generally unethical for me to promote my own hooks, for the last couple of weeks I've either not nominated articles I've expanded or watched as my hooks languished in silence. I'd like to take a step back from DYK admin work for now so I can return to generating content. (Welcome back!) - Dravecky (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I was going to suggest you continue what you are doing now... I am still reeling from jetlag. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 12:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


So that's what that funny little string is for. I knew there had to be a reason for its use, but somehow I never got around to finding out. Thanks for enlightening me on that score :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed that some templates cause the output not to break at all, which makes for poorly fitting text on the mainpage. Possibly the convert template is not one of those which cause the problem, but I thought to be on the safe side I would just manually type the string instead. If you are sure the convert template doesn't do that, feel free to change it back again if you like. Gatoclass (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't know. I guess what I'll have to do is keep a close eye on the use of templates to figure out under what circumstances they are not breaking appropriately. Gatoclass (talk) 07:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


Sorry for the mistake you corrected here, and thanks for correcting it. I'm trying to go through my first FAC, and I guess I'm a bit scatterbrained at the moment, and the pages have changed a lot since last time I nominated for DYK. I've put it in the correct place now.--Berig (talk) 12:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hand-cranked DYK[edit]

Thanks for updating the main template. I've done the credits, updated the queue count, and put the missing set into the archive. - Dravecky (talk) 08:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Please ensure that images are correctly protected before placing them on the main page[edit]

Thank you for updating template:did you know. However, when placing images such as File:1906 Patrie gondola bow.jpg on the main page [15], it is necessary to ensure that they are either uploaded locally or protected at the commons, as instructed in the edit window for Template:Did you know/Next update. Otherwise, vandals can replace the images with disgusting shock-site fare while they are displayed on the main page itself. Thanks. John254 22:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

What happened to the uploading bot? It was really handy. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The original MPUploadBot was blocked due to a malfunction, and subsequently desysopped by request of the owner. A request for the approval of another image upload bot, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Main page protection robot, is currently listed at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#Bots_in_a_trial_period, though the trial seems to have been completed. John254 02:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK Question[edit]

Hi there, it looks like you're active with DYK's at the mo, so: Myself and another editor have Uno (motorcycle) on the DYK list at the moment - created Jan. 1. I've identified, downloaded, cropped and downsampled a copy of this image. I think it qualifies as a FU image, using {{Non-free promotional}} as the rationale (and I can write the FUR). This is an article where a pic is worth 1000 words however I don't want to destabilize the article while it's under consideration (especially when your queue seems to be rather slim atm).

An alternative image would be this one, which is the lead image on the company website, thus clearly promotional - just not so cool.

Can you briefly check the above ref'd image(s) and give me a quick opinion as to whether it would be uncontroversial in the target article? Possible lead pic too, but I won't push that point. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that's weird. :) I was answering before you started asking? Hmm. Franamax (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, it is a prototype vehicle subject to widespread commentary. The sheer breadth of commentary conveys the notability of the subject, however it's not currently feasible to obtain an image. I do have requests for free releases in to the inventor and to his backers, but hey, he's an 18-year-old kid starting at MIT just the same as he is a businessman with a neat invention. He might be drunk just now... :)
I'm relying for precedent on Lana Lang (Smallville) - the lead pic uses the same FUR and the image is directly attributed to a website which officially promotes the subject. I believe this qualifies as a "press kit". That article contained the lead image at both of DYK and GA stages, hence my suggestion that the same "promotional" FUR applies - there's not much doubt that all the images cited above illustrate the "product" with the intent of promoting its "use".
I'd actually vigorously argued against a FU rationale, then I stumbled across Lana. I can't figure out what is not parallel in these situations, except that one is subject to our generally more stringent living-person strictions. Always open to learning though! :) Franamax (talk) 10:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh, only one hour+half to upload an image and construct the rationale! [16] 15 minutes later no bots have attacked, so not bad so far. I think I'll post to MBisanz to ask for scrutiny. The image (I think) adds immensely to the article, but I'd rather NFC considerations not hinder the immediate process. Anyway, it's there, police be damned / nice policeman :) Franamax (talk) 12:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy BorgQueen's Day![edit]

Featured article star.svg

BorgQueen has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as BorgQueen's day!
For your awesome and tireless work at DYK,
enjoy being the Star of the day, BorgQueen!

01:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

It's in the same spirit that Phaedriel started. Only difference is that I'm trying to do this for an entire year and see if I can fill up an entire calendar. bibliomaniac15 21:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Birger Eriksen[edit]

As you're an administrator, I thought perhaps you could address a problem that I've spotted, or at least that you would know to whom it should be referred. All the discussion on Talk:Birger Eriksen has disappeared. From the page history, I gather that somebody tried to move it to a new name, and I'm guessing that's where the trouble arose. There was a great deal of discussion on that page, including some quite interesting information not found in the article proper, and it's a shame for it to go AWOL--as the valient Eriksen himself empatically did *not* do. Thanks for looking into this mystery! Drhoehl (talk) 02:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops--I think I made a mistake. The material that I was remembering as being on Eriksen's discussion page actually appears on that of a related page, Battle of Drøbak Sound. My apologies! Drhoehl (talk) 02:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Greenhouse Gases Observing Satellite[edit]

Current events globe On 23 January, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Greenhouse Gases Observing Satellite, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--SpencerT♦C 20:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution! SpencerT♦C 20:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi there. I notice that you have recently been active in nominating and updating ITN. Just dropped by to say nice work. We need more admins around ITN. Tone (talk · contribs) and Spencer (talk · contribs) have always helped in keeping ITN rolling. It would be nice to have you also around. --GPPande 22:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


Do you have time to do some DYK reviews? There are some entries expiring that haven't even received a review which means they're skipped when the queue is filled. (Yeah, I'm biased, one of them is mine) - Mgm|(talk) 13:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Sardarji Jokes[edit]

Hi BorgQueen. I deleted that comment, though I guess I should have relocated it to the middle or 'references' section. I think the subject needs to start in earnest from the very first line, and thereafter we can have the other directed or 'misdirected' links. Hope you agree :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulveer (talkcontribs)

Point noted, and apologies. Havent been around in WIkipedia too much, will learn I guess. Though I frequently refer to Wikipedia, I havent really found the time to try my hands on it too much. Kulveer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulveer (talkcontribs) 06:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Mesh bags[edit]

When I was at the store with the durians I got some mangosteens and longans, and when I went to eat them I realized they are all in mesh bags. :) Sadly, the mangosteens are off. They were frozen, but were no good or I defrosted them wrong. Oh well. I found a great source for 100% pure coconut juice with the pulp (no sugar added!!!) so I'm able to live far from the beauty of Asia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Air Touch Foundation[edit]

Hi BorgQueen. I have been unable to find any references for an "Air Touch" foundation, although there are references to an AirTouch foundation which seems to have been subsumed into a Vodafone Americas foundation. Is that what you're looking for, or are you certain of the spelling (uh, spacing?)? Bongomatic 09:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Really, I just searched "Air Touch Foundation" on Google and got 17,700 relevant results. Most of them are not reliable sources, of course, but they are talking about the right topic. Here are a few examples: [17] [18] [19] --BorgQueen (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Haha . . . I didn't mouse over your "foundation" wikilink. I assumed you meant a charitable foundation funded by a high-tech company. Bongomatic 09:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I was a bit surprised when you showed an interest. It's a girl thing. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Apostrophe s[edit]

Does this edit mean that <nowiki>'</nowiki>s is better than {{'s}}, and that I shouldn't use the template? The results look the same to me. Art LaPella (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Not on my screen, but an extra space on your screen is reason enough not to use it. Art LaPella (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
According to Template talk:'s, they are considering eliminating Template:'s and using Template:' (followed by an s) instead. So before I report a bug, could you see if the same problem occurs on your system with {{'}}s? Art LaPella (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Now I see the space! In my programming experience, there is no obvious reason why using a template should change the appearance of the result, so I reported it at Template talk:'#Extra space before the apostrophe. Art LaPella (talk) 19:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
The extra space was by design (see template talk:'#italicized text crashing) - without it, the apostraphe would "crash" with some italic letters that hung over to the right at the end. However, on my current browser, this problem which the space was meant to resolve no longer appears to happen. If the Wikimedia software was updated to fix the problem, then the designed space in these templates become redundant ... but I need to test with some other browsers later tonight to verify. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 19:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
After further testing, the problem that caused the space to be added originally does still exist.
To maintain a central location for the discussion (having it split on both of your talk pages stresses my brain), I've posted some examples back at template talk:'#Extra space before the apostrophe. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 20:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour[edit]

Updated DYK query On January 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Salman Rushdie[edit]

Hi, could you check this, too, and block the villain. --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 13:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Rod Blagojevich corruption charges[edit]

Thanks. Don't forget the article might make ITN twice since there is a federal case.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Two Kenyas in one[edit]

Hello. Thanks for posting the 2009 Kenyan oil spill ignition ITN. Since Kenya has suffered two such fires and one is at the bottom of ITN, would it be prudent to include the two in one? Simply add "Kenya's second such incident in a week" to the end of the current line on the oil fire, remove the bottom ITN on the supermarket and even insert one of the older ones if there's space. Thanks again. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 05:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. It's nice to have an ITN admin living in a non-American time zone, isn't it? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Krill's enthronement[edit]

Yes check.svg Done. Now was that difficult? :D Yes, it is. You must be part of a rare breed. You'll come in handy in an ITN emergency. What time zone/country are you in then? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 08:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Now I need another admin in another time zone. I seem to be the only one at work around here! ;) ITN needs updating badly. The Kenyan "over 50" is now very definitely and firmly "at least 111". --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 09:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  • 'S'OK. I suppose eating's a good excuse. Since this is the weekend(ish) I'd hate to see what ITN gets like midweek though. Since you are online how about also altering the same ITN as its current phrasing bugs me a bit? It suggests both fires happened at once. :( Instead of "and" perhaps "days after"? Apologies if I sound hard to please. ;) Thanks in advance for the Patriarchical ITN as well. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 10:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Sorry, me again. Could we put the supermarket name on as it needs some work and perhaps it might encourage others to do that? It would just require the placing of Nakumatt after the word "a" and before the word "supermarket. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 10:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  • According to this, Kenyan injuries are now 200. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 12:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Heat wave[edit]

Thanks :) The worst of it was the middle of the week, when we had three scorchers in a row, plus power cuts and my fridge broke down, but since then we've had a nice cool breeze and I've got some relief by keeping the doors and windows open. Gatoclass (talk) 14:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The Serena/Nadal Proposal[edit]

Hello. What do you think of perhaps having Serena's photo on the Main Page? Just a suggestion as we seem to have more males than females in that position and it would help to perhaps restore the gender balance? The last female I recall in such a position was Mary McAleese and she wasn't even relevant. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Would any of these be considered free? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh sorry... I had a list but it seems to have become lost. Oh well, shame really. We've had so many men... John Atta Mills... Danny Boyle... Ehud Olmert... Barack Obama... Pope Benedict XVI... Geir Haarde... Rod Blagojevich... and Krill of course... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Google throws up nothing new. And the old reliable BBC doesn't mention it either. Are search engines and news sites banned in Japan? :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 16:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
True. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 16:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Blagojevich cropped.jpg[edit]

File:Blagojevich cropped.jpg keeps appearing and disappearing. It is messing up both my User:TonyTheTiger/ITN and User:TonyTheTiger/DYK archives. What is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Because I keep deleting and restoring it. :-D The image was marked with the {{m-cropped}} template, which is usually deleted when off the Main Page. And I restored it when I needed it. I restored again since you seem to want the pic, but you will need to let the uploading admin know if you'd like to keep the {{m-cropped}} picture next time. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN -> SA[edit]

Now that I have my first two WP:ITNs, I have to figure out how to get one of them into WP:SA. Is either Rod Blagojevich corruption charges or Inauguration of Barack Obama worthy of SA inclusion?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think yes, both of them are. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

"Modern times"[edit]

You added "in modern times" to the headline about Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir to the main page. This is a phrase that suggests that were openly gay heads of government in pre-modern history. I believe this is an implication that projects modern ideas about sexuality, politics and public life onto historical contexts where it is entirely irrelevant. I don't believe this is a claim that is possible to verify and even if it was, it would probably be rather controversial. Your choice of words appear to have spread to the article and now people are using it as an argument to keep that wording (see talk:Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir#First openly gay head of government in the world). Do you think you could remove the controversial claim until someone has provided some concrete evidence that it's actually relevant? Peter Isotalo 07:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The "modern times" phrase is used by BBC, The Associated Press, International Herald Tribune, and many, many other reliable mainstream media. Are you saying they are all wrong, according to your own research? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Many, many other reliable media outlets do not use that phrase: CNN/Time[20] The Independent[21], The Guardian[22]. And I don't really have to provide counter-evidence for something which is largely conjecture to begin with. It's not so much about proving them wrong as no one actually explaining how a pre-modern head of government can be classified as "openly gay" when homosexuality wasn't even invented as a concept. Merely comparing Icelandic PM with people ranging from Alexander the Great to Oda Nobunaga (see the Sigurðardóttir article talkpage) is dubious enough.
Peter Isotalo 17:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Omid (satellite)[edit]

Current events globe On 3 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Omid (satellite), which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--No problem. If you ever want credit for something you did, just leave me a note. SpencerT♦C 23:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 23:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Gresham, Norfolk[edit]

Hi, Borgqueen. I'm mystified by the treatment of this. At this edit, Wizardman removed the nomination from the Template talk:Did you know page, less than 17 hours after Mario1987 (the first to do anything with it) had stated "If i'm not wrong this is a 4.8x expansion." However, here is the pre-expansion version, which (including picture captions) has 1108 characters, and here is the version two days later, with, as I count it, 6760 characters excluding spaces, picture captions, headers, etc.

Perhaps this could be reinstated? If I'm in some way misunderstanding Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules, an explanation of my mistake would be appreciated. In any event, it seems to me unreasonable to allow much less than a day for me to see that there's a problem to be dealt with. Xn4 (talk) 03:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hm.. you can actually add it back into the queue. I'm not sure why I removed that one after re-reading it. Wizardman 03:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I just had a quick look and it doesn't appear to be a 5x-expansion. Are you sure you excluded the quotes in your count? --BorgQueen (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, that may be it, then. (Where does it say that quotations aren't counted, please?) As so little time was allowed, may I expand some more and resubmit it? Xn4 (talk) 03:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, yes, "excludes... block quotes". Does that mean all quotes? Xn4 (talk) 03:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Quotations are okay, but block ones such as the one after "The Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-1872) described Gresham:" aren't counted. Wizardman 03:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I have a prose counting tool and in the first instance it sais 1,320 charachers and in the second instance 6,105 characters so it's only a 4.6x expansion. Sorry Mario1987 09:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The only way I can get the first total to 1,320 is by including the "external links" and spaces, which is silly. Xn4 (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Snake fossil[edit]

Waiting at ITN... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 22:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem, no major rush. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 22:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Goodnight. Have a good sleep. Ah, I see Spencer has arrived for his shift. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 00:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Titanoboa[edit]

Current events globe On 5 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Titanoboa, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--SpencerT♦C 00:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Japanese scam[edit]

  • Japan's biggest scam worthy of being ITN? I will begin if you think so. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I will begin a rough draft of the basic facts with some sources and then leave it at ITN for you and others to contribute. :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I've done and left it at ITN for your disposal. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 16:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the Japanese. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Yeti Hunter's page is clearly innapropiate. he knows that outright writing down that a commie was going to be hunted would get him blocked, so he grouped yeti together with commie in dislikes, to show that they get the same treatment, and insults the yeti in the photo. anyway it is extremely nasty toward yetis even if the commie reference wasnt there. its also a violation of WP:SOAP to insult yetis and advocate their hunting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your comment[edit] it the Nigerian children? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Not in bed as it is currently about 20:45 here. I see you've been besieged by a yeti lover. Anyway if you've gone, goodnight. If not - well I await with some time to spare for working on any article. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Not all night - yet... ;) it's just after 04:30... is it morning there already? It looks significant so I would approve - and it would certainly go some way to appeasing all the unsatisfied North Americans over on the Anglo-Scottish-Welsh-Irish snow talk page... :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 04:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh I am entirely nocturnal. :) Well at weekends mainly. I just haven't had much to do this week so have been on a bit more often. But I will sleep probably very soon and it will be long so I won't be on for about twelve hours or so... and then I'll possibly be on it non-stop for a day... as tends to happen with me recently at weekends. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 04:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Awake now. Looks good. No picture? Never mind, someone might be able to add one when it's on the Main Page. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 18:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Current events globe On 7 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article ATryn, which you created, nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

I hope this is correct as I've never done it before. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Almost correct. :-D Thank you. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh. Sorry about that. I suppose I ought to reread the instructions. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 02:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Same. :D --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

British English[edit]

That's how I originally phrased it before someone objected. It's the way I'm inclined to say it. So if there's any truth in that then yeah. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 16:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


Any further comment on the Madagascar massacre/Amazonian plane crash? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Technical difficulties have delayed me but I've finally done it and it's at ITN. Are you posting Bolivia as well? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 01:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Could you please ensure that Talk:2009 Amazonian airplane crash gets an ITN template thingy? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Which one? The mummies caught my eye if that's what you mean. Should the Madagascar ITN be moved up to include the Defense Minister's resignation which I see is listed now? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't see what's special about it? I thought Guantanamo was being left aside until it shuts down unless it blows up or something... gotta go... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN volunteers[edit]

Are things bad? Have you tried recruiting recently? --Dweller (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like you need to do some marketing. I'd suggest you drop a line to the Signpost people, asking for help. There may also be a relevant board at Wikinews where you can ask for help. WP:AN is also a good place, to find people who have the tools for working on Main Page. And Talk:Main Page might help, although it's largely full of cranks and vandal-bashers. --Dweller (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


Sorry for rushing off yesterday but time ran out. I've repaired my hurriedly left previous comment. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I like them, and would support their inclusion if someone else did them, but I'm unable to dedicate the time to either today. I might be able to do one tomorrow and will have more time the next day (which will probably be in the middle of the night with most other contributors). --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fried spider[edit]

I did notice that the bolded article was not the fried spider, and so it probably doesn't meet the criteria for the DYK Stats chart. On the other hand, the way the hook was structured and the photo, it was really designed to attract views to the spider rather then the district. Since it was such an extraordinary hit count, and a cool, creepy-crawly hook, I was listed it. But if you think it's best not to include it, I'll delete it. If we start making exceptions for hits to non-bolded articles, I suppose it could set a bad precedent. Let me know your final conclusion. Cbl62 (talk) 01:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Per your note, I deleted the fried spider from the Stats Page. It was a great hook, though. It combines two of the best criteria for drawing views -- (1) creepy-crawlies, and (2) weird food items. Cbl62 (talk) 21:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN collision[edit]

Current events globe On 12 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 satellite collision, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

Well done. Nobody else seems to have noticed your request. Do you think we still require the Egyptian/Mexican ITNs as I have time to do one now? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


Mexico is done pending further improvements that may or may not be necessary and I've shortened the line down as well as I thought it was a bit of a mouthful! --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it not going on ITN? I think the plane crash is now 50 deaths due to the involvement of an off-duty crew member but the Main Page currently says 49 as I write this unless someone intervenes. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 13:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Science hooks[edit]

I don't think it matters when we are doing "special occasion" updates. That's why I didn't bother separating them. Gatoclass (talk) 05:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Pakistan and connection problems[edit]

Yes, I'm afraid so. :( In fact it is proving difficult enough just to update simple things today. I haven't even looked at the links you've provided as they'll probably shut my computer down (as has just happened when I reverted some vandalism of the discussion on Talk:Main Page and my computer froze over entirely). So I think ITN is out for me currently unless I see something particularly eye-catching – such as the Indian train derailment yesterday, something which had just happened and therefore had little available information but which took ages to compose all the same... I am just trying to improve some articles in the background and doing small things such as correcting typos (taking forever) and adding to opening summaries information which is reflected in sources already within the article. My patience is unable to cope with much else. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 01:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


I have noticed your good work at ITN, and also what I assume is your growing frustrating that you seem to be the only one updating it. I believe you have to be an admin to update the template, therefore I can't help you out there per se, but I going to put foward some suggestions about how to possibly increase traffic to the ITN/C page, which may help your cause. I notice T:DYK has an "time till update box" on its main page not just the candidate one (T:TDYK). Could ITN do this? Also there is no link to ITN off the main page. With DTK and TFA you can get to the candidate page through "nominate" or via "achive", however you cannot get to ITN/C from "More current events..." at all. My final suggestion that other admins may not know what to do and I notice there is no (or I cannot find) documentation about how to procede with an update. I realise you have been on wiki and ITN a lot longer than me, so if these are suggestions that won't work or have been rejected previously, please feel free to ignore. I am just trying to help as I would hate to see any frustration grow and ever cause you to leave ITN. Best wishes, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry that is the second time I have forgotten to sign my post in 2 days on ITN/C. It is most unlike me, and I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again. You have enough on your plate without having to sign my posts! Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

neanderthal genome project[edit]

hello, i realize that you probably took down the neanderthal pictures in an attempt to make peace here; but i have to disagree with your decision in this case, quite strongly.

2 reasons:

1. the article is about neanderthals. any reasonable person reading it would accept the fact that it makes sense to have an actual picture of one included. if necessary we can caption it to indicate that the image is a stock photo, & not derived from the research project's results.

2. with respect, i feel that you action was far too unilateral; especially if you were acting as an admin, & not simply as a fellow editor.

i don't wish to pick a fight here, which is why i'm opening a talk page discussion with you about this. but i cannot accept that removing all images of neanderthals from an article page about them is a reasonable solution.

please get back to me here, on my talk page, or on the article discussion page, at your earliest convenience


Lx 121 (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

i'm sorry! i mis-read. you were listed as the final editor & mentioned the picture in your edit comment. it was the preceeding editor who removed the images. unfortunately he is also an admin.

i'm not clear on the protocol here?

my argument stands on both grounds; a pic of a neanderthal, appropriately captioned, belongs in this article, & the action taken in removing it was excessively unilateral, since the matter was under an open discussion, & nothing resembling a consensus had been reached; especially if done as an admin & not just a fellow editor.

so now what do i do?

Lx 121 (talk) 12:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

i know, & btw cool name! but i assumed you had made the change in an attempt to make peace... i won't elabourate on the contrast in motives here. i'm working on a revised version of the comment for his talk page, i might need to sleep on it before i send; i was already a bit too wound up when i posted to you & on the article talk page. i don't think i broke wikipolicy, but i might alter the tone, after i've had a chance to reflect more. i've done a revised edit on the article page, in an attempt @ compromise. i'm open to improved wording, or just opinions in general. i chose the child pic, but wikimedia commons has several other decent possibilities. i'd even consider a skeleton or skull, although i think the reconstructed faces are more compelling & more human.

i can understand his rationale, kind of, about causing confusion, & it was silly to have 2 competing pics; but it's where you decide that an article about neanderthals shouldn't have a picture of them at all, that he loses me.

open to anything constructive here...

Lx 121 (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

thank you ^__^

we'll see if it lasts. i expect after the article drifts off the front page, things will calm down. i wonder if the fellow who inserted the red-faced picture meant it as a joke?

Lx 121 (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

well he responded; now it's a war... he also tried wiping out other people's work on the article, carelessness on his part i think, but it was reverted

again, i;m opeb to suggestions...?

Lx 121 (talk) 17:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I was ok with the image as long as it just sat there, even if strictly off topic. But now people started arguing about which image must be shown, because one or the other looks more like a Neanderthal "should" look like, mind you on an article that is highly technical and badly in need of close attention to details of its actual content, I am convinced that these images do not belong and only serve to distract from the article proper. Let people interested in pretty pictures of Neanderthals focus on the Neanderthal article, and give the experts trying to fix the hairy issues in the genome article some space to breathe without needing to shouting down people arguing about unrelated stock images. --dab (𒁳) 20:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Galeras ITN[edit]

Current events globe On 15 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Galeras, which you recently nominated and then when nobody responded substantially updated and proceeded to post thus keeping ITN on its toes. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

Well done! At least I am around to ensure you get the credit... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 12:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


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BorgQueen: You have been doing an excellent job updating and keeping ITN running! SpencerT♦C 16:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I also noticed you commented about you and Candlewicke only participating...if you see a prospective news article you want updated, you could leave a note on my talk page...I'll do it as soon as I get the chance. It's just ITN is moving so fast, whenever I see an article I could update, it's already been done. SpencerT♦C 16:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
At Israeli legislative election, 2009, we're waiting for official results, otherwise, the article looks rather decent and all we need is wording. I'll check out the other ones. SpencerT♦C 21:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

West Cork oil spill[edit]

I'll have a look. I left a blurb for the oil spill. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I reset the clock for this one. SpencerT♦C 21:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I got most of the tags off of it. I'd really prefer not to post my own items, so here it is. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 02:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Do you know why the oil spill blurb was altered to British Isles? I'm just after seeing it and lo and behold at least two people on Talk:Main Page are being given grief over their opposition to it... one of them has asked nicely and the other has been referred to as an "idiot" which isn't particularly helpful either... I can only presume some administrator came along and hadn't realised about the discussion over the title of the snowfall article.... either that or someone was looking to stir up trouble... I prefer the former so I hope that is the case... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just left a message on Talk:Main Page explaining perfectly logically that the aggrieved users have a valid point. Thank you. I'm just getting to the ITN candidates now. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
User:J Milburn has admitted to changing it and has agreed that it can be changed back since it seems to be mainly affecting Ireland now anyway. Can you do the honours? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


You mentioned the neglect of Pakistan. --Candlewicke ST # :) 14:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

No, but it's a shame that the country gets forgotten about. Then there's this which probably isn't really ITN-worthy either but it happened near you I think. --Candlewicke ST # :) 14:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I know - I was just pointing it out. But neither are alleged frauds where nobody has been yet charged. --Candlewicke ST # :) 16:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
You never know. ;-) It's a funny world... --Candlewicke ST # :) 16:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi there[edit]

Hi again. I don't know if you'd be interested in Reann Ballslee or not, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Why whould I be interested in that bio? Anyway, it might get deleted under A7. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
It's in the mainstream news! What is A7? Grundle2600 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Csd#Articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
But I used the under construction tag - they can't delete it for the next few days, and I plan to add more to it. People told me about the tag after my Titanoboa article got deleted and I had to start it over again. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I added more info, explained why it was relevant, added more categories, removed the under construction tag, and added a stub tag. I don't think there's any reason to delete it now. Grundle2600 (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Aids[edit]

Hi, I've performed the update on HIV/AIDS in the People's Republic of China from yesterday at ITN. What do you think? --Candlewicke ST # :) 00:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Assimilate this....[edit]

Hello BorgQueen. I've recently been helping at DYK, which is where I really find things to be fun. I noticed the list of administrators on the DYK page. What administrative duties are associated with DYK? Thanks. Law shoot! 07:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Internet hunting[edit]

Updated DYK query On 21 February, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Internet hunting, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 23:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Current update[edit]

I spent a couple of hours and put a great deal of thought into sorting that update. I'd appreciate it if you didn't keep shuffling the hooks. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 17:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I admit to getting a little wp:owny about that update last night. But I did spend a huge amount of time on it, I actually went through every hook on the Suggestions page looking for one to suit, and reviewed half a dozen which all turned out to have problems, in the end I could only find the one hook that seemed to fit.
I think what I'll do if something like that happens again is inform you first so we can discuss any changes beforehand. That way it should be less stressful to everybody. My apologies if I sounded a little terse in my response last night, in my defence it was very late and I was tired and just about to log off. Gatoclass (talk) 04:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

ITN for 2009 Gujarat Hepatitis outbreak[edit]

Current events globe On 22 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Gujarat Hepatitis outbreak, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--SpencerT♦C 20:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Fungi collage.jpg[edit]

I'm afraid that the SEM isn't actually in the Public Domain nor free-licenced, and has been deleted. Hence your derivative work is also problematic. I've saved a copy of your collage in case it gets deleted before you have a chance to respond, but the SEM must be replaced with something else.

This is, of course, in no way your fault. It is the fault of the person who uploaded the SEM. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Orbiting Carbon Observatory[edit]

Current events globe On 24 February, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Orbiting Carbon Observatory, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

... except that it never really got to orbit... --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Kano Trovafloxacin trial litigation[edit]

  • Improved and updated. Night/morning. --Candlewicke ST # :) 01:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
    • By the way, what do you make of the rather seedy discussion taking place above it at ITN? --Candlewicke ST # :) 04:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I would also appreciate your views on this, and perhaps tell me if, from an outsider's perspective, it would be suitable for ITN upon my creation... I've spent all day trying to find an online source for it being a record robbery as has been stated in news bulletins but have only just now found such a source. Even if it weren't a record sum, it seems extremely suspicious that one relatively junior employee was able to gain access to such a sum and hand it over to a criminal gang within a period of fifteen minutes and without the authorities being alerted... --Candlewicke ST # :) 04:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Vandal/Uninformed "new" editor at Star-crossed article[edit]

Hello, BorgQueen. I am hoping that you can help me out with an editor at the star-crossed article, who has reverted my edit of its Modern day examples section. That section was in messy list format, which is discouraged by Wikipedia, and it only served to tempt people to continue to add uncited couples to it. It was also tagged as needing to comply to Wikipedia standards. I rewrote the section in paragraph form, which was/is cited and valid to comply with Wikipedia standards, and to cut back on people adding uncited modern day star-crossed couples to it, which it did/does. But the editor reverting it, who also recently once blanked the page as an IP and was warned about it, has stated that it's biased. I explained on my talk page that it is not biased whatsoever. The fact that it mentions Buffy and Angel as a notable star-crossed couple is backed up by a reliable source, and can be backed up by more; I hardly see it as biased. The way I worded that section is quite allowed by Wikipedia and preferred over messy list format.

Furthermore, this editor/IP has stated that anime/video games cannot be added to the Star-crossed article, as if there are no anime/video game star-crossed couples.

Your help on this matter would be much appreciated. Flyer22 (talk) 07:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, BorgQueen. I know that you're often busy with other stuff on Wikipedia (I really appreciate all the vandalism you revert, for instance). Thanks for at least hearing me out. Flyer22 (talk) 00:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


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For your great work with the DYKs The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 02:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Foreign relations of Mauritania[edit]

Current events globe On 7 March, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Foreign relations of Mauritania, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Do you remember this? The guideline clearly states that the lead should be a summary of the important aspects of the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You were right. Now where did this thing about controversy disappeared, can’t find it any more. And also, before everything was short and clear.

Warrington (talk) 22:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about foie gras? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Page balance[edit]

Does it look right to you? It looks completely off on my screen, but I have a small monitor. The DYK section is far too long. I'd add another item to ITN but I'm not sure how it looks on other screens. Gatoclass (talk) 18:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for helping![edit]

Hey there BorgQueen! Long time no see! I hope you are doing great. By the way, thanks for helping. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

are you learning it by yourself or taking a class/course? -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 14:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

yup, it is. It surely requires more efforts than you'd normally need for a European language I'd say. Anyway, nice try and you've still got the basics at least. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 14:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: ITN[edit]

Since the template was changed this article was created by Newguy34. Is it appropriate to change the main link to the article page under "largest" and remove the bold text from Bernard Madoff? BigHairRef | Talk 18:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK update[edit]

DYK is due for an update from queue 4. Can you do the admin part? I can do credits and archiving. Shubinator (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, Dravecky will do it. Shubinator (talk) 15:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Japanese translation needed[edit]

Hello! I was wondering if you could help us in summarizing the content of this Japanese article for the purposes of the article Relapse (album). Specifically, I was wondering if you could confirm that the release date for Japan is set for May 13. I saw your name on the local embassy list under the Japanese speakers' section, so I was wondering if you could us this favour. Thanks, Do U(knome)? yes...or no 09:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I can do that. Please give me a day or two. (I am kinda busy in real life..) --BorgQueen (talk) 14:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I also replied on my talk page. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 22:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Lurkdom? Well if you mean the difficulties at DYK, they would appear to be solved as I sort of took over the section in some way yesterday... so I guess there is no problem with ITN since there never really was one in the first place... trouble is I have no time right now to do an ITN or write anything new whatsoever... maybe if the story is still big in a couple of days... but thank you for asking, much appreciated... --Candlewicke ST # :) 20:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

How about this for a North American story? U.S., Mexico, Canada all together. --Candlewicke ST # :) 20:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

In the news[edit]

Hi again. Perhaps 2009 extinct fossil octopus discoveries would be an appropriate article for in the news. Grundle2600 (talk) 22:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Best if you nominate it at WP:ITN/C. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 14:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocking again?[edit]

I saw you're the last person who did this, and they are being annoying again... It's obnoxious that this IP has never had a constructive edit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabberwockgee (talkcontribs) 21:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Jose Luis Gonzalez[edit]

WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY MY PAGE WAS DELETED? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Luis Gonzalez (talkcontribs) 21:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Other users already have explained on your talk page. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

ACID collaboration article from March 21 in april[edit]

well, any input would be good - green is a good comparison. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


Your requested article was located at 2009 attacks on tourists in Yemen which I have now moved to 2009 Yemeni tourist attacks. --candlewicke 04:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC) Block[edit]


This IP is shared by users of my institute (including me). Would it be possible to unblock users from editing with this IP without login? (Got to know from my friend when he was trying to edit) - Raziman T V (talk) 10:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've enabled account creation. Thanks for the notice. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK image cascading protection issue[edit]

There's some type of problem with cascading protection on the DYK image, both in this group and the previous group for Gatoclass. Do you know how to investigate it? There's a thread started at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Main_page_cascading_protection_not_working. I'm going offline very soon and I don't expect to be around for 10 hours. Royalbroil 12:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

ITN nomination[edit]

Current events globe On 22 March, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Yemeni tourist attacks, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--candlewicke 14:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

ITN image update[edit]

I think the lead ITN could be altered slightly to include a better image than the current map representing the earthquake. I cannot yet locate a free image of the actual game but there are plenty of the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. "Ireland beat Wales 17–15 (Millennium Stadium pictured) to win their first Six Nations Grand Slam in rugby union since 1948." --candlewicke 15:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

See this. I'm not sure if you saw it amongst the rest of the stuff on that page. I uploaded some more pics at Commons:Category:2009 Six Nations Championship of Ireland playing during the Six Nations. Jolly Ω Janner 20:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

At Jolly Janner: Excellent! At BorgQueen: I was just getting to Venezuela when this was brought to my attention. I thought it more urgent, although on hindsight the United States needs my assistance a lot less than the entire continent of South America (and the rest of North America for that matter)... I might get to it later... --candlewicke 01:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

ITN credits[edit]

Hey, thanks for the line. I'd been on a bit of a hiatus from ITN-updating, and so the addition of those crediting templates are something of an innovation since last I was heavy into it. How about you take the WBC and I'll do Redoubt? :) The Tom (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

GhostNet ITN[edit]

Gosh, that was quick – and unexpected! Thanks. Sorry, I didn't get there for the wording but all credit to you for the quick response. --candlewicke 09:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Images of the University of Toronto for the Main Page? Mirek Topolánek is sliding away... I quite like this one. --candlewicke 13:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

ITN AFD sample design[edit]

I've created a sort of sample design to give a vague indication of what ITN might look like on 1 April 2009. --candlewicke 00:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Will you be around for the massive posting at midnight UTC? Spencer is on holiday and Tone has self-declared an absence... that leaves you, I think. --candlewicke 20:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. We seem to be undergoing an administrator shortage at the minute. --candlewicke 20:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I was offline. I see there was some controversy about the missing information but it seems to have been cleared up now. --candlewicke 18:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it has been fixed by me, as usual. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


Up to you, of course, but wasn't the obvious ambiguity about "public hanging" the whole point of the lead ITN hook for April Fools' Day? Regards, --BencherliteTalk 00:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

When I saw your change in the history, I checked WP:ERRORS and the person had corrected himself. So I reverted your change. It's not Apr 1 in all timezones yet, so some people might not realise the humour yet. (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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1 more ITN[edit]

Can we please add the Venezuelan beauty queen error of judgement? It's updated and I've left a wording at ITN. --candlewicke 19:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, damn! Holidays and now drunkenness... is this after the football victory meaning you won't now be "nuked"? Where's a responsible citizen of the world when you need them... :( sigh, all you have to do is copy and paste what I've written at ITN (leaving out the signature of course!) Someone's bound to spot any error quickly and clean it up anyway. --candlewicke 20:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Argentina ITN[edit]

Please be sure to check out the ITN candidate of the dead President if you're happening by that area. It simply isn't fair that South America gets forgotten about in these situations. :'( --candlewicke 21:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It's this chap. Thanks. --candlewicke 21:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Binghamton ITN[edit]

Alfonsin 1983.jpg

Are you doing the talk page tagging for that? I would but, as creator, updater and nominator, I'm ever so slightly compromised. :) --candlewicke 21:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's an image of the President of Argentina for ITN. --candlewicke 21:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the ITN, may I have one for creating this too? Tone seems to think I should do it myself but it feels a bit awkward... :-/ --candlewicke 18:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK tweak[edit]

I noticed on WP:ERRORS there's a DYK error: a convoluted hook for Arthur Richman. I've thought up two other hooks. They're not great, but I think they're less ambiguous with the pronouns. Could you put one of them into T:DYK to replace the current hook?

Shubinator (talk) 21:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Shubinator (talk) 21:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


Request for unprotection. Consensus appears to be occurring. Please visit talk page.

Toby Douglass (talk) 12:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Your recent block of[edit]

I don't believe that block was appropriate. The IP was not sufficiently warned and didn't even commit vandalism (borderline as well) more than once or twice. Timmeh! 20:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought one of the warnings on his talk page was for vandalism but I realize it was not; the user has been unblocked. But no, this and this are not "borderline" vandalism. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well, if he makes any more vandalism edits, I'll be sure to put up the appropriate warnings until there are enough to justify a block. Thanks. Timmeh! 03:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


You might be interested in the doings of BorgQueenNew (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). --Dynaflow babble 22:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I tend to get doppelgangers now and then. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


日本語で失礼いたします。Wikipedia:Local Embassy#日本語 (Japanese)で現在一番活発的に活動をされている、BorgQueenさんの名前がリストされていたので、質問致します。船井電機(Funai)の記事ですが、この記事の文章は2005年1月9日の初版より、Funai USAのサイトからの転載がされており、Copyvioテンプレートを貼りました。ところが、他のWikipediaの言語(例えばru:Funai,fr:Funai Electric Co.など)は、英語版Wikipediaからの翻訳であり、著作権を侵害した文章を翻訳した記事となっています。is:Funaiは、そのままの翻訳ではないので、著作権を侵害しているとは言えませんが、この場合は他の言語版のWikipediaも削除しなければいけないのでしょうか。--Xosdp (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

他の言語版の Wikipediaが英語版 articleをそのまま翻訳したか, ではなければちょっと差があることか明確ではないです. そのまま翻訳したことだと言っても, 私としてはどうすれば良いかも知れないです. 日本語版 Wikipediaの admin boardに問い合わせて見ればどうでしょう。--BorgQueen (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Injaz[edit]

Current events globe On 16 April, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Injaz, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

re ITN for The Pirate Bay trial[edit]

Thank you so much for remembering my nomination I made several weeks ago. :) --Hapsala (talk) 12:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. I had to dig up the archives to find the nominator. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Kyrgyz query + ants[edit]

I was wondering what you think of this? Kyrgyz topics don't seem to feature on the Main Page very often... perhaps even never at ITN? Alternatively there is this from the natural world. --candlewicke 19:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The ants news sounds more promising. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I've never done wildlife before but I might give it a go. :) --candlewicke 04:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if there is an ITN in this somewhere. Iraq never gets an ITN. And Amnesty International has written to the government about it too... --candlewicke 04:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so... Such abuses happen in many parts of the world, not only Iraq. It might be suitable for DYK though. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll probably not get it done tonight as I'm about to go too. :( Probably better not to rush it. And Wikipedia is experiencing "technical difficulties" from where I'm at too. --candlewicke 04:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

ITN/C item[edit]

The timer is running out, and I've updated a new item at Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates#ITN_candidates_for_April_16. I prefer not to post my own items, so I'd like you to evaluate and post if you feel that it's ready. Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Main page image protection[edit]

You might be interested in bugzilla:18483, which addresses a delay in cascading protection on the Main Page. This was first noticed at DYK, but has consequences for ITN as well. Since I don't have a Bugzilla account, there's some side chatter between me and Royalbroil at his talk page. There are also a few posts at WT:DYK, and one at WP:ERRORS (which I'm sure you've seen :) ). Shubinator (talk) 05:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The ITN images have been nearly always manually protected, since long before the discovery. Thanks for the note anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll relay it on (and I'll keep you posted if they change the software so it's faster). Shubinator (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Durban Review Conference[edit]

Current events globe On 20 April, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Durban Review Conference, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

Thanks. --candlewicke 17:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

ITN Blood Falls[edit]

Many Thanks for your kind message about Blood Falls cited in the News. I am the first to be surprised by the snowball effect around this brand new page, but indeed, the topic is amazing. :-) Shinkolobwe (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

(too lazy to start a new section)...would you mind returning the credit favour for Northern Cyprus parliamentary election, 2009? Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 01:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

World Digital Library[edit]

The World Digital Library has launched today. You are invited to update/expand the article before it can be put on ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get working on it. Give me a few hours.   — C M B J   15:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Wall is ready[edit]

I've updated the article and inserted the figure into the Great Wall of China. It would be a shame if it missed out because of a number! :) --candlewicke 18:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I shall have it done by the end of the month which should be next week. Thanks for informing me though and thanks for the Chinese ITN spam. I was only recently clearing some rubbish out of my archives which themselves were taking ages to load. I am just getting to Iraq now, I've been doing a lot more domestic updates than usual, involving television presenters plus bands which can't seem to make up their mind if they've split or not. :) It means having to change the tenses around a lot. :( --candlewicke 19:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Where did the 180 miles come out of? :( It's hard to keep everyone happy. --candlewicke 19:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Blood Fall: For your information[edit]

The main photograph image of Blood Falls has been added on 16:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC) on the Wikipedia:Picture peer review page to be proposed as a candidate for Wikipedia:Featured Pictures. See Wikipedia:Picture peer review/BloodFalls to give a comment or to support the proposal. Thanks — Shinkolobwe (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Shining Path ITN is ready[edit]

It might be possible to squeeze Shining Path in at ITN. I've archived some of my talk page so it shouldn't take as long to load now. ;) --candlewicke 17:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to propose I do the Kenya one first if it still has a chance. After all the flu is brand new. Do you think that the Kenya item (the one beside Shining Path) would fit on ITN? Even if it clings to the bottom for a few hours? --candlewicke 01:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Would this be fine for Kenya? I've left a proposed wording at WP:ITN/C. --candlewicke 02:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Added 21st. Sorry. --candlewicke 02:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I guess I might as well do the walking seal when I'm at it. ;) Tone has been supportive of it. :) --candlewicke 03:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you think puijila darwini OK? I could ask Tone to do this one if you want as it must be annoying going through the procedures time and again... ;) --candlewicke 03:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Backlog cleared I think. Just the latest flu one left unless I'm mistaken. :) --candlewicke 03:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, how embarrassing. I must save that one. :) I wonder how long it would have taken anyone to notice from the Main Page. :D --candlewicke 03:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: Azerbaijan State Oil Academy shootings[edit]

Yay! However did you know? :) I'll try to get to it after I finish my DYK. --candlewicke 13:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for listening![edit]

My first ever post as a logged-in member and the Main Page is updated! Thanks very much for listening to this newbie. Careful With That Axe, Eugene (talk) 09:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN for 2009 attack on Dutch Royal Family[edit]

Wow - and here I thought I was just being ADD with all my updates to the article. Thanks mucho. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 15:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Dank je. :) --candlewicke 15:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Carol Ann Duffy[edit]

What is your opinion on her nomination? The one oppose states a doubt of whether it would be of interest to anyone from outside the UK or even within the UK... yet neither the nominator nor myself are from there... the list of her predecessors reads like a who's who of historic English literary figures... are you familiar with the history of English literature or do you know anyone who is? Perhaps their knowledge might be useful. --candlewicke 23:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK update[edit]

Hey, just noticed you did an update. I can do credits if you want. Shubinator (talk) 00:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure :) Shubinator (talk) 00:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
And done. The queue can be cleared now. Thanks for helping out at DYK! Shubinator (talk) 00:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I can do credits :) Shubinator (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. Queue can be cleared. There's a set waiting in next update if you want to load it. Shubinator (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Thanks for your help! Shubinator (talk) 19:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:ITN in 2009/April[edit]

Darn! I'll have a look again, I've already moved onto the image gallery... the most fun bit! :) --candlewicke 03:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Found it! :) Stuck in the middle of all those tedious flu edits! --candlewicke 03:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow, you've posted 99 ITNs this year! You've probably had your hundredth earlier though! Well done! --candlewicke 04:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes, true. :) --candlewicke 17:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much...[edit]

... for this. It certainly highlights his 'winning smile' very nicely. Who knew learning the Dharma could be so frightening :) Cheers, Paxse (talk) 08:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Absolutely, I've got lots of ideas. See this diff for some. We could run a nice multiple DYK hook on Zen schools and masters if we can get a few editors organised. Care to work on something like that? I've also got a bunch of Cambodian Buddhist articles worth expanding but sources (as always with Cambodia) are a problem. Let me know if you'd like more ideas. Looking forward to working with you! Cheers, Paxse (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Pacific ITN[edit]

Woohoo! That's my fiftieth! What do you make of the world record I've nominated, created, updated, written, worded (and done just about everything but posted it) at WP:ITN/C? --candlewicke 10:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What is your opinion on the China nomination? --candlewicke 19:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello again. Yesterday's avalanche was the deadliest to strike Austria in the history of ITN. Thoughts? --candlewicke 16:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Not really interested. Please work on the pigs in Egypt if you have some free time. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


(edit conflict) on T:DYK :) Damn. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

World Snooker Championship 2009[edit]

I've updated the final and added to the article's opening. The winner is the oldest since 1985 and is only the sixth person to win it three or more times. There is also an image which is useful. --candlewicke 22:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll try but it will not be as easy as, say, that avalanche I've just done but which hasn't been posted quite yet. ;) I hope someone doesn't stick a merge tag on me immediately though. --candlewicke 02:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Georgian mutiny[edit]

"Btw, I can't find the alleged assassination plot in the article. Can you write on it somewhere?"

Will do, and thank you for the ITN notice. May I ask if, until such time as an article can be found to support that an assassination plot was alleged, the contention of that on the front page is removed. Plus, at the very least, I believe the notice on the front page should emphasize the plot is only alleged; currently the front page suggests the plot is a certainty. Cordovao (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for both the cite supporting the alleged plot, and for changing the notice on the front page. Cordovao (talk) 13:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at a 3RR investigation?[edit]

Dear BorgQueen

Is there any chance you could have a look at a 3RR investigation regarding the Georgian article I've asked for before things get out of hand? [23] Cordovao (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


I think the "of the tournament" bit is a relic from the original wording. The bit about being the oldest winner "of the tournament" since 1986 was later removed for some reason. --candlewicke 15:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Iranian bus crash[edit]

Wordings for Turkish wedding party attack and Egyptian and Iraq's exteme reactions to pigs left at WP:ITN/C. The bus crash is going out of date. Thoughts? --candlewicke 19:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

We already have more than enough for now. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Personal request to ITN Reply to above – But surely we can never have enough?! :) --candlewicke 21:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Table tennis[edit]

Thanks. But why did you remove the snooker instead of the preceding ITN? It might also be a sport but it is an ITN. Would this be supported any more than keeping Brazil from returning to the Main Page upon its increase of deaths and homelessness? --candlewicke 02:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually no, I don't think I was the one who suggested replacing them... it seemed to arise out of having two consecutive sports but I don't see what would be wrong with having two consecutive anything... we often have consecutive massacres or disasters... now we have a wedding massacre followed by a pig cull... hmm... --candlewicke 13:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


Would you be able to protect this? It's been assaulted by various IPs over the past 72 hours. Thanks. --candlewicke 21:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK archive[edit]

Thanks for main page hook set updates for DYK. There aren't nearly as admins at hand as we need to keep this up to date while the bot is MIA and every effort is appreciated. That said, please also remember to update the DYK archive at Wikipedia:Recent additions with the previous set of hooks when you're installing the new set. It's been missed a few times in the last couple of days and I only happened to notice because one of my hooks was in one of the "missing" sets. I've gone back and archived the missing sets so we're good for now. Thanks again. - Dravecky (talk) 04:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Vesak at YM's temple.

Sorry I haven't been able to write anything new this year, but here is a Vesak momento for you. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Lovely, thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Mas Selamat bin Kastari[edit]

Current events globe On 9 May, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Mas Selamat bin Kastari, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

You've been spammed. I love that ski resort. Where did you find it? --candlewicke 18:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed the date on his personal ITN talk spam is linked. Could the link in the template be altered so that it goes directly to this month's archive? Not yet created of course but this would prove an effective way of tracing all future ITNs. I wonder if it is possible to manipulate the template in such a way... --candlewicke 18:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
May 8 is not too late; it would sandwich in nicely between Jacob and Chan-hom... --candlewicke 01:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Done. By the way, as a frequent navigator of the pages, what do you think of all the recent improvements I've conducted all across the ITNosphere? T:ITNBOX, WP:ITNR, WP:ITN/FE (new shortcut) and another new shortcut WP:ITNAWARDS. --candlewicke 02:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Done. I was trying to get into the mind of the person who stumbles across the page accidentally since presumably we know what the links contain. I thought the box was not very eye-catching before. ;) --candlewicke 02:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I had some free time during the week so spent a lot of it on ITNs. I have since been using my time on an unsuccessful GA attempt but in future I will remember to work on a band with a less common name, more international recognition perhaps, as sources are particularly difficult to find for some reason (and those that I have found all seem to say the same thing). :) I thought there would be more input at ITN during the weekend (it seems I was partially right) so I disappeared elsewhere, believing my input to be more useful on more neglected subjects. I suspect things might soon return to their normal relatively low levels of activity, in which case I will frequent ITN on a typically regular basis. I hope you are managing fine. ;) --candlewicke 14:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK update needed[edit]

Another DYK update is due, from queue 1. I can do credits and archiving. Shubinator (talk) 01:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Done, the queue can be cleared (or loaded with hooks from Next). Thank you! Shubinator (talk) 02:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Stockholm Convention[edit]

Sorry for the edit conflict there, but it's quite a complicated update! If you're wondering about the lack of detail, it's that the exemptions won't be fully fixed for the next four months or so (the time for each of the State Parties to raise formal objections, should they wish). The status of PFOS isn't entirely clear either: it's going somewhere, but the press release doesn't say whether its Annex A or Annex B. I'll keep on working on a bit of cleanup (incl. "downstream" stuff). Best wishes, Physchim62 (talk) 16:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants[edit]

Seems fine. Why? --candlewicke 17:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Well I would never have guessed. ;) What is your native language? --candlewicke 17:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah. OK. --candlewicke 17:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

VORTEX projects[edit]

Oh my goodness, was out today, and got the message late. Will get at it. :-)SriMesh | talk 23:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Updated it somewhat, will do some more tommorrow adding more on the instrumentation used and scientists involved, and any updates to the mission.SriMesh | talk 04:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


No problem fella I'll get on it. I'm only gonna do the Euromillions article, because the lottery record page has a neutrality issue due to the Euro-American bias. Also I'm going to go with European record, because only BBC has stated world record and that might be questioned due to problems with exchnage rates and taxes. --Daviessimo (talk) 13:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Omid satellite.jpg)[edit]

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Template:Did you know/Queue/4[edit]

  • ... that in an annual festival in Koovagam, India, eunuchs and transvestites ritually marry the Hindu god Aravan (pictured)?

Please add the word Hindu. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Chronological order[edit]

I mucked myself up because of the silly space flights which may have an earlier launch date than the scheduled date. I will pay more attention, sorry. I fixed it up. SriMesh | talk 02:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Women of Kuwait[edit]

Done. Might I also be spammed for nominating Eurovision Song Contest 2009 (even if I was denied the chance to update it...)? --candlewicke 07:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I be spammed for nominating this election? Sorry I wasn't around to update it - Dumelow (talk) 10:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject User Rehab[edit]

Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. Abce2|AccessDenied 04:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, not really interested. Most of the trouble makers I've dealt with were beyond salvation. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Double Amato-Martin ITN thanks[edit]

Thanks. Wasn't actually expecting the resignation to be so widely supported. It'll probably be pulled soon though after some complaint considering this has happened to many ITNs this month for some reason. --candlewicke 23:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN notification[edit]

Hi, thanks for the German election notification. I know you didn't post the Malawian general election, 2009 ITN but could you please give me a notification for it? I am not too bothered about the recognition but I do like to keep a record of these things and there may be other contributors to that article which might deserve recognition. Many thanks (if you need a notification for anything let me know and I will be glad to reciprocate!) - Dumelow (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, will do. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Japanese help[edit]

Could you examine this edit, changing a link to the Japanese Wikipedia? I know nothing of Japanese, so I don't know if this is vandalism or a useful edit.

I've asked you because you're listed as an ambassador with the Japanese Embassy here. I've never tried using the embassies before, so if you're not the person I should ask, would you please ask someone who could help? Nyttend (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Just saw your edit on my watchlist; thanks! Nyttend (talk) 19:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually it was a correct change, but the article hasn't been created yet so I've deleted the interwiki link. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Roh Moo-hyun[edit]

Re: protection of Roh Moo-hyun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

I hope you don't mind, but I protected over your semi- of this article; as it's possible that many editors will attempt to edit, it's sensible to have a rationale for protecting entered for the most recently logged action. (You originally had a reason, but left the "reason" field empty in your subsequent amendment.)

If you'd like to re-protect—with a logged reason—then feel free!


AGK 11:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN - Cannes[edit]

Thanks for linking the 2009 Cannes Film Festival and The White Ribbon on the main page. I hate to sound pedantic, but could Austrian film link to Cinema of Austria and can the word "the" be added before Palme d'Or? Thanks! Lugnuts (talk) 19:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added "the" but there is no need to bypass redirects, per Wikipedia:R2D#Do_not_.22fix.22_links_to_redirects_that_are_not_broken. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Lugnuts (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Madhav Kumar Nepal[edit]

I am an editor from Kathmandu. Thank you for contributing to Madhav Kumar Nepal. (talk) 07:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi. Done. --candlewicke 16:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Sonia Sotomayor ITN[edit]

that whole section is getting ridiculous. I need opinion of someone more regular lol.

So what do u think of the item? A nomination that isnt even final. since when do we not wait for results. And since when do we post an item against heavy opposition. The admin that posted the item clearly works on US Supreme Court Cases as it says so on his page. This is quite a personal ITN post. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

nevermind i guess, its been taken down. Ashishg55 (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN for National Assembly of Niger[edit]

Current events globe On 28 May, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article National Assembly of Niger, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

Thought you might like one of these, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

A request[edit]

I'm in a debate with another user on an article. Could you take a look? You know how to work content and Wikipedia policy, you're friendly, and (hopefully) you won't hesitate to disagree with me if I'm wrong. One thread is here, but most of the conversation is here. I'll understand if you decline (especially since the discussion is so long). Shubinator (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I try very hard not to step in any content dispute... I am sure you can get help at the admin board. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I try not to step into AN or AN/I...often creates drama and bitterness instead of resolutions. Thanks anyways. Shubinator (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi. On the melatonin Talk page, I've explained why I just reverted a reversion of yours. A version of the disputed text appears to have been added the first time 12 March 2007 by user:Pierre-Alain Gouanvic. It was recently removed by an IP, then restored by yourself, then removed by myself. Cheers, Hordaland (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Noted. I really don't mind removing the text, but not by an IP with no edit summary. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Understood. Thanks for instant response. That's a fantastic picture at the top of your Talk page! - Hordaland (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: File:Julian fractal.jpg[edit]

Of course I don't mind, it is PD after all :) I'm honoured :D weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 20:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hotlist of Electronics[edit]

Hey, what is up with that list you created at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hotlist of Electronics? It only seems to go up to D. Was the rest of the alphabet meant to be added or was that all that is remaining? Cheers!Calaka (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the rest was supposed to be added... I've lost interest in the middle of working on it. It's an absolute drudgery, you know. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 11:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hehe fair enough! I would be willing to finish the list off for you if all that is required is a copy/paste job or it isn't too overly difficult to do? Calaka (talk) 10:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you can do it by copy-and-pasting if you can find suitable references on the net. In my case I had to type in every single word manually. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh darn! I can understand you not being willing enough to finish the list! Would have taken you forever! I will have a look around the net and if I can find something I will let you know. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Luís Cabral[edit]

I've updated this under 2 June after Spencer said it needed a paragraph... I really thought that bird on the left of your picture was a flying cow... --candlewicke 22:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it more like a sow than a cow? It is certainly female.. Girl Power --BorgQueen (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, speaking of girl power and suitable ITN women - Marilynne Robinson? Meira Kumar? And, also, what do you think of the Nigerian prison mass break-out? I haven't gotten round to any of them but nobody has supported or opposed... --candlewicke 23:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
No to the prison break; haven't most of them been caught already? For the rest, let me think... --BorgQueen (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
2009 South African mine deaths ready. Some of the dead are from Mozambique and Zimbabwe, a government minister has visited the scene and the whole affair seems somewhat sinister indeed... --candlewicke 01:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated ITN[edit]

I've updated Floating wind turbine#Hywind. It's now awaiting your re-approval. Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

2 more ITNs[edit]

One dead President and a daycare fire... the daycare fire might get forgotten about so I thought I would try to avoid that by telling you... :) --candlewicke 23:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


Thank you! CargoK user talk 13:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Euna Lee and Laura Ling[edit]

Maybe later... :) --candlewicke 14:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I see the President is back from the dead... may I be spammed for updating it nonetheless since it was posted for a period? --candlewicke 14:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, very clever(!) :-) I will see what I can do. I should hope there is no rush... --candlewicke 14:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait, is this getting split? --candlewicke 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Note: Bongo has died again... --candlewicke 15:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Q. If I update it again does that count as two? --candlewicke 15:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
If you want another spam, why not? I am not sure it will be recognized as such in the Wiki Cup thing though. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Bongo's death is the most recent of today's additions to ITN. I believe the ordering of hooks should be determined based on time of the event, not the time when it was originally added to ITN (perhaps outside the EU election). Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, corrected. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on ITN/C[edit]

I understand recently there has been a lot of completely unrelated content on the ITN/C page. Therefore I thought I would tell you, as you run ITN, that the WikiKnittingCorner has begun. You could use this to direct users who have started (or are taking part)long, useless debates, as a place for them to have the discussions. Thank you very much, CargoK user talk 19:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I know. But on the 6/June and 7/June, there was an ongoing debate on the EU. Some people thought the European Parliament was the parliament for all of Europe. And through my understanding some thought Europe was a one country. One user kept coming up with stupid ideas about Europe, myself and other users had to give him a geography lesson. That is the whole point of my new Knitting Corner. To eliminate stupid debates like it. Other users can teach each other there, not on ITN/C. Thanks, CargoK user talk 19:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Merseburg Incantations[edit]

I have done a GA Reassessment of Merseburg Incantations as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found the article to be fine except for the lack of references in a couple of sections. I have put [citation needed] templates where I feel at least one in-line citation would be needed. My review is here. I have put the article on hold for a week pending work on the references. I am notifying you as the primary editor about this. Please contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. H1nkles (talk) 15:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

On username blocks[edit]

Please, when dealing with editors that have confusing or long usernames but are making good edits, ask that they request a rename first, rather than just up and blocking them. You {{usernameblock}}ed "Dbacvdeifdgthoimjskflan" who, yes, had a WP:U-violating name, but was also totally unaware that he'd broken any policies or guidelines.

I've unblocked the user and performed a rename, but it would have been easier (and less frustrating for him) if he'd just been giving a heads up about his username and directed to WP:CHU in the first place. No-warning username blocks should only be done in the case of offensive usernames; his was just confusing, but not really a "it needs to be gone now" sort of thing. EVula // talk // // 16:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I wonder if the policy has changed recently...? Because I seem to recall that admins blocked random usernames on sight some time ago. In any case, I hope the block didn't cause too much inconvenience. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
For me, none at all. May have caused a bit of grumbling on the user's part, however. As for immediately jumping on confusing renames, WP:UNCONF is the relevant section, though I honestly have no idea how recent a modification that may be. *shrug* EVula // talk // // 16:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Danish Act of Succession referendum, 2009[edit]

Is there still time for it to feature on ITN if I update it? Nobody else seems interested... --candlewicke 17:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Breathless? :) --candlewicke 18:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Sort of. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I guess I've contributed to more loss of breath. I think it's ready now... --candlewicke 18:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Re Wedad Lootah[edit]

Hi there, I was wondering if you could find the Arabic spelling of Wedad Lootah's name? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It is وداد لوطه. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! --BorgQueen (talk) 12:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is her middle name Nasser? -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
According to this interview, yes... --BorgQueen (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Then the complete name is وداد ناصر لوطه. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 14:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment deletion on AFD page[edit]

Thanks for fixing that up. The removal of other comments was unintentional -- to be honest I don't know what happened. I think I may have some kind of caching problem. Thanks again... - Borofkin (talk) 22:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Luxembourg legislative election, 2009[edit]

I don't want to clog up the nomination board at ITN, so I'd like your opinion on two things before I do

  1. Do you think it has now meets the criteria?
  2. Do you think it still has a credible chance to succeed, despite the time elapsed? Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Literary ITN is waiting to be posted[edit]

Michael Thomas (author) is waiting for you at ITN (provided that nobody else gets there first - but who(?) I asked myself, before recalling that Tone was around earlier...) --candlewicke 02:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Diamond FAR[edit]

(You edited the article, so here I am.) I have nominated Diamond for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Erasmo de Sequeira.[edit]

Hi , just wanted to point out an error, Deputy Minister is not the same as Deputy Prime minister. Can you fix that please? Thanks. --Deepak D'Souza 06:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the note. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Wedad Lootah[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wedad Lootah, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 05:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN - BRIC[edit]

Hello! Can you link the quote "first official summit" to 1st BRIC summit? Regards; Felipe Menegaz 21:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


Since you are here, what do make of this as a story? It seems I am now receiving personal requests... --candlewicke 02:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I am leaning towards support. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I have alerted WP:ITN/C. --candlewicke 15:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Henry and hunger[edit]

Henry Allingham is an old, old man... and the world is more hungry than ever before... --candlewicke 03:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Are neither appropriate in your opinion? One is apparently the highest figure ever and the other record seemingly hasn't been broken since 2007. --candlewicke 17:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Not really interested. Perhaps you could ask someone else... Tone or Spencer... --BorgQueen (talk) 20:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

For this diff, thank you. Its always cool to save something tossed to AfD and even find a DYK jewel in it. - Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Jewel thieves[edit]

Sounds like fun! :) I might do it later... thanks. --candlewicke 02:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for War in Somalia (2009–)[edit]

Current events globe On 21 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article War in Somalia (2009–), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

-SusanLesch (talk) 18:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Salvatore Miceli[edit]

Current events globe On 22 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Salvatore Miceli, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

I'm not sure if you collect these, but here's one anyway --Daviessimo (talk) 16:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

You should of course just ask one of us to give them to you. :D --candlewicke 20:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for wolrd cup final[edit]

I'm expanding need help.yousaf465'

Help for what? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
For editing Final section. Too busy here.yousaf465'

DYK for Central Morocco Tamazight grammar[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Central Morocco Tamazight grammar, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Iran – United Kingdom relations[edit]

Current events globe On 24 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Iran – United Kingdom relations, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--Daviessimo (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Limbic resonance[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 24, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Limbic resonance, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Awadewit 14:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

2009 ICC World Twenty20[edit]

I've added refs to the final section. I think this could be posted now. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Were credits given for this? I think User talk:Yousaf465 definitely deserves one. SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK Issue with Xi[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Xi (alternate realist game) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Geraldk (talk) 02:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

"alternate realist"? :-D Replied on the candidates page... --BorgQueen (talk) 02:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Pink Panthers[edit]

Thanks for that, I have asked what the user meant. I have just made two interesting ITN nom/discoveries concerning the world's oldest musical instrument and Togo's abolition of the death penalty... --candlewicke 03:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for GPS IIR-1[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article GPS IIR-1, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Demographics of Japan before Meiji Restoration[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Demographics of Japan before Meiji Restoration at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Geraldk (talk) 19:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Question about a user[edit]

Th3perfectdrug user today removed item about Michael Jackson suffering cardiac arrest from current events portal. Since i didnt think its that small of a news i reverted it. Second later he reverted it back. So i look at his history and its quite interesting actually. take a look. Seems like a grudge against any celebrity news to me. What do u think? have u seen him before Ashishg55 (talk)

Honestly I don't care that much about the current events portal, since updating ITN and DYK keeps me busy enough already. P.S. Please leave your time stamp when posting messages on a talk page. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tabu Homosexualität[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tabu Homosexualität at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Geraldk (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nymphaea nouchali[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nymphaea nouchali, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 02:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Aso Mining forced labor controversy[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aso Mining forced labor controversy, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 08:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Demographics of Japan before Meiji Restoration[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 28, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Demographics of Japan before Meiji Restoration, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 02:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

MediaRing Talk[edit]

I marked MediaRing Talk as db-spam but am now having second thoughts. What do you think? -WarthogDemon 02:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Software awards[edit]

Dear Madam,

I have been banned from (well, my IP, technically - for the reason of furnishing software-related Wiki articles with lists of awards conferred upon each program described therein. Those lists contained references to various software libraries with corresponding ratings and ranks given by those libraries to particular programs (e.g.

Please, allow me to explain myself. I was in no way attempting to 'spam' or clutter those articles, but was only trying to provide every program's description with a list of rightful awards, as neatly as possible, without marring the overall design of the articles. Should you have a different view on how such a list is to be implemented (objectionable links, grouping, whatnot), please describe it for me to follow it thereafter. If I may, keeps every program's awards all in one place - would it be proper to use its pages as substitutes for complete lists of awards?

I myself am of the opinion that these awards (at least, most of them) can actually assist users in adequate comparison of similar programs - providing them with compact qualitative descriptions.

Please, contact me at regarding my wrongdoing and if my ban is subject to revision at all. (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

User: has been unblocked. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

2008-09 Volvo Ocean Race[edit]

Ericsson 3 and Ericsson 4 in Stockholm

Is ready to post (and it has a picture). --candlewicke 00:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: ITN credits[edit]

 Done; thanks for the reminder. I'm new to ITN, so hope I didn't screw anything up too badly. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 02:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there a minimum size requirement? –Juliancolton | Talk 02:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, fair enough, but I didn't see anything in Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page about that. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
2009 European floods waiting at ITN. --candlewicke 03:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yemenia Flight 626 or Yemenia Flight 627 ?[edit]

It depends which way it was travelling.East or west yousaf465'

DYK for Xi (alternate reality game)[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Xi (alternate reality game), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Iranian Guardian Council[edit]

Thank you. I have tried to explain events surrounding the ITN and suggested they might come up with an alternative. --candlewicke 15:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Saad Hariri[edit]

Is there still time to update? I can try to do it now. --candlewicke 15:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

OK. --candlewicke 15:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

2009 Thailand Standoff[edit]

A request I received a few days ago. Nobody has commented on this. What do you think? --candlewicke 15:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it is notable enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

2009 Hunan train collision[edit]

Has been updated by me. --candlewicke 23:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Italian immigration to Switzerland[edit]

Updated DYK query On July 1, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Italian immigration to Switzerland, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass 08:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Why Republic?[edit]

P:CE, ITN/C and the article itself refers to it as Ireland. So where did "Republic of" come from? --candlewicke 17:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I replied at WP:ITN/C. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I see someone was quick to notice. :D --candlewicke 17:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

In the news[edit]


The table still needs a lot of work (which is difficult because, in Argentina, a party can go by different names in different provinces - and then there are the "allied" parties).

Thank you for crediting me with that, though. It's a real honor.

Sincerely, Sherlock4000 (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

That projectile vomiting[edit]

Indeed. Someone has been watching too many horror movies... --candlewicke 18:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

On a different note (I think), Fredrik Reinfeldt has been waiting for a few hours. I thought I should let you know in case you hadn't seen him. --candlewicke 23:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Abdullah Bin Hamad Al-Attiyah‎[edit]

I added what Abdullah Bin Hamad Al-Attiyah‎ has said about forming the Gas Exporting Countries Forum as 'gas-OPEC', but I really don't knew what more to add about the GECF ministerial meeting and elections. Actually, electing Abdullah Bin Hamad Al-Attiyah‎ was the only significant event at this meeting. More information has been added to the Gas Exporting Countries Forum article. Any idea, what more could be done? Beagel (talk) 13:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN problem[edit]

Apparently myself, Daviessimo, Tone, possibly yourself and I haven't checked who else have been breaking a major rule at ITN, according to this. Policy (!) in fact. I don't know why it is being pointed out now of all times... --candlewicke 20:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gay Bowel Syndrome[edit]

Updated DYK query On July 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gay Bowel Syndrome, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject DYK 11:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour[edit]

he was convicted by execution but the orders didn't executed yet --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 21:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Pakistan Army Mil Mi-17 crash[edit]

It is ready for posting and also Fatalities now stand at 41.yousaf465'

Chitttorgarh Fort[edit]

Hi! Borgueen,

Nice to see you reviewing articles on DYK after quite some months. You have reviewed a number of my articles in the past. I continue posting my articles on DYK. My long article Chittorgarh Fort on DYK is stuck without a review so far. I have fixed the references, spelling errors, some grammer and also added a reference to a tag for fixing fact. It has been assessed as 'B' class. Can you tell me if some thing more is to be done to make the article to move forward? Thanks--Nvvchar (talk) 12:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I am really reviewing DYK candidates now, I just recently reviewed only one or two as far as I recall... I've nominated several articles but that's not reviewing, is it? :-D I am more of an updater than a reviewer. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


I do not know what happened. It was working a few days ago. There's a note on Henrik's talk page that says it went off line yesterday. [24] Hopefully, it comes back up soon. Cbl62 (talk) 17:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

<br/> for MP balance[edit]

Hello! Has this been discussed somewhere? I'm not fond of deviating from the layout used throughout the main page, particularly given the fact that "main page balance" is heavily dependent on users' display settings and cannot exist for everyone simultaneously. (Both your 21:25 addition and 06:05 removal actually had the opposite of the intended effects on my end.) —David Levy 07:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Actually it isn't my brainchild; it was first introduced by User:Anonymous... something. (I don't exactly recall the last half of the name, since we have been using that trick for quite some time) And I thought it was quite convenient, and rather gives more consistency given both TFA and OTD have some space between the main text body and the links to archive at the bottom. I suppose you disagree? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
On my end, the whitespace present in DYK appears the same as that of ITN. TFA, OTD and TFP indeed have slightly more whitespace (and match each other), but the addition of a line break to DYK results in far more whitespace than I see in any of the other sections.
I do think that we should investigate tweaking the code used in the various templates to achieve the same amount of whitespace in all five sections. —David Levy 08:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that will be a far better solution. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally, the addition/removal of text usually does seem to work fairly well as a means of achieving something close to a balanced main page for most users. I believe that this is because while the text appearing in one column may be displayed differently for me than it is for you, the same is true of the text appearing in the other column. So while there always will be differences in line breaks and such, the overall result tends to average out to within reasonable tolerances. —David Levy 09:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Which bit[edit]

Is odd? --candlewicke 08:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me. I had not noticed as it appears normal to me (although the TOC is at the top right). --candlewicke 09:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I don't so that explains it. I have done 2009 British and Irish Lions tour to South Africa now... there seems to be no opposition to it. --candlewicke 10:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. --candlewicke 10:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I do it on occasions. Although usually ITN seems to need me more. But I suppose two have just been posted. I will look at DYK now. --candlewicke 10:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I know how it works. I am doing the ones which interest me and it just happens that a lot caught my eye. Better some than none. :) (some of the kids need babysitting) --candlewicke 11:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

John B. Weber[edit]

Hi BorgQueen, I started to work on expanding this article and thought that there might be some information that would be good for a DYK. I was wondering if you could take a look and let me know. Thanks! Shinerunner (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Fritz Haarmann[edit]

Hello. I noticed you have kindly tidied up a section on the above Article. There is an ongoing debate regarding whether an image loaded onto the 'crime' section should actually be kept, some advocate this, others are unsure. The image in question dates from 1922 or 1923. My undertstanding is that no copyright can exist if any subject or author of an image has been dead >70 years. As the image is at least 86 years old I would not have thought any debate can exist, as in the instances of the other images on this page, or the images on the Jack The Ripper page for example. The image is taken from a page of magazine however, but in having sad that, is not going to limit circulation of this image or be detrimental to any royalties, it is there for reference purposes only. If you can help secure this image I would be grateful. Kindest regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieronoldham (talkcontribs) 09:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Bubble tea![edit]

DYK credits[edit]

Hi, thanks for sorting this out. I had noticed it but had to leave in quite a hurry and my first action upon my return was to go over there and retrieve it. Thanks again. --candlewicke 18:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I don't usually look at the names but I will look at some more now... --candlewicke 18:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I think there is at least one of yours in the queue now. I would appreciate it if you could keep some watch on this IP - I'm not sure if it solely they who are removing events from P:CE but their idea of "junk" or "non-news" includes several ITNs - 2009 European floods removed here as well as a number of arrests in the US relating to healthcare. Today they removed elections in Mexico, a security operation concerning the head of Britain's MI5 and mention of the kidnapping of Irish and Ugandan aid workers in Sudan (a case in which an Egyptian ambassador is also involved) Some were removed twice. Here includes the removal of a Portuguese government minister's resignation, a Mexican earthquake, the trial of an alleged Nazi war-criminal and our ITN concerning the Trans-Saharan gas pipeline. Here Dmitry Medvedev's trip to Africa is "non-news" as is the government of Antigua and Barbuda's dismissal of its chief financial regulator. The Volvo Ocean Race ITN is one of the several removed here. The arrest of Allen Stanford here. More "non-news" here. Highlights here include the questioning and dismissal of a Chinese mayor in charge of several million people on charges of corruption, the Indian tourism minister refusing to go to Australia after the attacks, the end of Iran's election campaigning and the Irish parliament debating the findings of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (another former ITN and it was in fact removed twice). I have tried engaging with these "non-news" IPs in the past but they operate like robots, don't answer and don't appear to have any personalities at all apart from a desire to remove what to them is not appropriate. It is very disappointing to see the work of myself and several others so easily discarded in this manner alongside several items deemed significant enough to appear on ITN. --candlewicke 00:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The IP has been temporarily blocked. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN Q[edit]

Last month you removed the ITN item on 2009 ICC World Twenty20 because the update was too short and yet this month have posted information on Serena Williams victory at Wimbledon, when the only prose I can find looks equally brief. Is there a reason for this change in policy? --Jpeeling (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Did you check the history? I didn't post it. User:Chaser did. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Shortly afterwards you removed it and then re-added it, re-adding is the same as adding in my book. --Jpeeling (talk) 09:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Then perhaps your book needs some modification. I didn't want to argue with User:Chaser at that time, and no one else objected. If you have complaints, please bring it to Chaser's talk page. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Well you are the person who removed the cricket story and then re-added the tennis story when neither update was long enough, I thought as the person involved in both incidents you would be the person to ask on this inconsistency. --Jpeeling (talk) 09:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I removed the Serena part from the blurb. However, the article does have enough prose about Federer. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. --Jpeeling (talk) 10:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Re Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour[edit]

I am always confused by the complexities of Arabic names... The English sources I used for the article Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour call him as such, but the Arabic wiki article [25] calls him "رمضان عبدالرحيم منصور" (Ramadan Mansour Abdel Rahim, I think). Would you be able to tell me which one is correct? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It should be Rahim. Rehim is the Egyptian and unofficial version of Rahim. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 16:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks and I've noticed Egyptians speak a very localized version of Arabic... But since he is an Egyptian, shouldn't we write his name in the Egyptian way..? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, it's kind of tricky. It is just the way it is pronounced in Egyptian, not the way it is written in Arabic as -both in Egypt and the rest of the Arab world- all official documents are written in classical Arabic. The problem doesn't exist when it comes to spelling his name in Arabic.
However, the problem appears when transliterating. Whatever is the case, that would depend on how his transliterated name appears on his passport (Egyptian passport#Languages) but since it is a hard to obtain that information the problem remains.
Ah! now, it appears that we are left with our magic solution; reliable sources :) I've just looked for an English-language Egyptian sources and I see that they are using Rehim. So, I believe that sorts it out :)
P.S. Fayssal/Fayçal is transliterated the French way but it is transliterated into English as Faisal in the Middle-East and beyond (Faisalabad). In the Middle-East, the exception being Lebanon and Syria where all names were transliterated into French although this link could give you a headache. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 19:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Al Franken[edit]

Well, I added info on filibusters to the Al Franken article... and it was reverted as off-topic. Oh, well. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Name of Georgia[edit]

Updated DYK query On July 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Name of Georgia, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 08:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gaius Iulius Caesar (name)[edit]

Updated DYK query On July 9, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gaius Iulius Caesar (name), which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 14:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN for July 2009 cyber attacks against South Korea and the