User talk:Bsuorangecrush

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Basketball NCAA pages 2013/14[edit]

Problem is that I do not have much time at the moment, so I cannot do anything, due to my obligations at work and my doctoral thesis I am trying to do at the moment. Sorry, but I hope I can find a little more time again to do some pages. Catgamer (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I have done Youngstown, Wright State, Valparaiso and Milwaukee in the Horizon League :-) Catgamer (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Boise State hoops picture request[edit]

Hi - I was looking at some of your pictures at the 2012–13 Boise State Broncos men's basketball team article and I was wondering if you might have an opportunity to take a picture or two at a BSU game this year. Both the Leon Rice and John Rillie articles are missing photos. If you are at a game and get a chance, could you take and upload pictures of them? Rillie was a significant figure in Australian basketball prior to his coaching career and I just made some updates to his article. If you don't get the chance, no problem, but the photos would make the articles better so I thought I would ask. I have been taking more photos for WP lately - most recently Shaka Smart. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have been trying to get a picture to put on Leon Rice's page for 3 years now. Problem is my seats are normally behind the bench so I never get a good front shot of him. And its not like I ever have a good camera either. All the pictures on Boise State's page last year are just from my iPhone. So yes I will try. The picture I got of Chris Petersen from 4 years ago is still used on his page. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
LOL - I hear you! Thought I'd ask but totally understand! Enjoy your season - should be a good one for you! Rikster2 (talk) 12:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

SUU Schedule[edit]

Thanks for tidying up the results and adding the times, I'll make sure I get the format right from here on. I have a question for you, I have been updating Coach Nick Robinson's record as we go, but I don't know if the exhibition game with La Verne should be included? Currently it is in the record.

Bob Palin (talk) 23:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

No, exhibition games should not count on a coaches overall record, just regular and post season. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Alternate character instead of hyphen in basketball scores?[edit]

Hi. What's the appropriate character which you've been using in the NCAA basketball scores, instead of a hyphen? Thanks :) Gmporr (talk) 00:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Just below this window their are tools. Its the smaller hyphen right next to the dropdown bar that says insert. Or you can type & n d a s h ; withouth the spaces and achieve the same thing. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 00:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Southland Conference standings[edit]

The Southland Conference standings template is messed up, for example see 2013–14 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks basketball team. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 04:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Green Bay discussion[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Listing NIT games for conference winners that lost in conf. tournamentX96lee15 (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

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I've reverted my own block per [my comment at AN3]. I'm satisfied with your response there; note than any subsequent warring regarding tournament invites for 2014 will be treated as a second block and > 24 hours. I trust that won't be needed.—Bagumba (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Advice[edit]

Glad to see you are preventing WP:CRYSTAL at 2013–14 Arizona Wildcats men's basketball team. However, I would suggest you (re-)read WP:AVOIDEDITWAR about keeping yourself out of trouble in the process. Also consider notifying other WikiProjects, like at WT:CBB, to see if others agree and can help edit to keep you out of 3RR. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

1990 NIT[edit]

I saw you edited the score of the 1990 NIT basketball game between Louisiana Tech and Vanderbilt by adding 98 as one of the scores. I left that blank because there are a lot of conflicting sources regarding that score. Some say 96. Some say 98. Some say overtime. Is there a way to verify what the score actually was? Thanks! -AllisonFoley (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't know why you deleted my comment. There are many sources that show both scores. For example see bbstate.com that shows 96-90. Also, I've come across many errors in the Louisiana Tech media guide. That is not a definitive source. -AllisonFoley (talk) 01:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Here's another good source that shows 96-90 in OT. sport-reference.com. Is there somewhere where we can find a primary source that we know is correct? -AllisonFoley (talk) 01:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Why would the school be wrong in their own record book? Seems like the only source needed. If they say it was 98-90 in OT then it was 98-90 in OT.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Even Vanderbilt's media guide has it 98-90 in OT. Do you really think both schools sports information directors are wrong?Bsuorangecrush (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't know. I've sent many corrections to Tech's SID, especially for football. I haven't gone through the basketball media guide thorough enough. I'd like to find a primary source to know for sure. -AllisonFoley (talk) 03:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
How do you not consider the media guide from the 2 schools who actually played in the game to not be a primary source? It's 98, period.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Because those media guides were printed in 2013, not 1990. That makes them secondary resources. I know for a fact there are numerous errors in Tech's media guide, some of them major. I'd like to find a couple primary resources to confirm the correct score. I don't understand why you are getting so angry about this. -AllisonFoley (talk) 03:19, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not getting angry about it. I just find it absolutely insane that the media guides for both schools have the score as 98-90 yet you do not consider that a primary source. If you want to make the argument that their media guide has as many errors as you say then how can you be sure that any of the scores for any games are correct? The absolute fact is that both schools, the actual participants in the game, say the game was 98-90. Outside of having a picture of the final score board that is all the proof needed to prove the game was 98-90. If the schools themselves have no dispute on the score then there flat should not be a dispute at all. The game was 98-90 regardless of what you might think. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 03:26, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Input requested for a college basketball !vote[edit]

You're a college sports regular on Wikipedia, so your input is requested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Discussion on merit of D2/D3/NAIA team navboxes. Essentially, WP:CBBALL is trying to determine if cutting off team navboxes for Division I programs only is the way to go. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm MisterCake. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, 2014–15 Oral Roberts Golden Eagles men's basketball team, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Cake (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of 2011 Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2011 Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Anthony Drmic - pic?[edit]

Hey - I created this article recently. Just wanted to make a request that if you have a picture of him or get a chance to take one this season, the article would benefit. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 13:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll try. Might not make it to many games this year. Still been having trouble getting a good picture of Leon Rice. He walked right passed me at a football game a couple of weeks back and almost got one actually. But yes, I will try to get a Drmic picture this season....or maybe I'll go through my old ones, I may have one.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Criteria for Removal of Polls from Football Team Pages[edit]

I'm working on finalizing some of the 2014 team pages. In the interest of consistency, what is the criteria used for removal of the poll section? The basis for the question revolves around a team page I just completed vs. the next page I was going to work on...

The poll section for the 2014 Lamar Cardinals team page was removed on October 13 with the notation of "not ranked, have not been ranked, no need for that table until actually ranked" which is correct if ranking is the sole criteria and if historical information was readily accessible. One problem I am finding is that it is difficult to reconstruct after the fact in at least one of the polls, The Sporting Network FCS poll. I did find a historical source for the FCS Coaches Poll.

I've noticed several other team pages including several others in the Southland Conference which still have the poll section without being ranked during the season, but were receiving votes in at least one of the other FCS polls. That was the same situation as the Cardinals. (The Cardinals had received votes a couple of weeks before removal as well as receiving votes in the same week the section was removed and several weeks including this week's poll.) Although never receiving enough votes to be ranked, the Cardinals actually finished the season receiving more votes than at least one other team which still has the section on their page.

Based on the above, what should be the criteria to use when reviewing the pages?

Thanks!! LUSportsFan (talk) 22:04, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

There is no actual criteria, I just think that if a team was never ranked then why have an entire table that just says NR or RV? Receiving a few votes in the polls should not warrant an entire just for that. So if you want to leave them there then I guess it's fine, It just really seems unnecessary. I also remove the rank column from the schedule table because there is no reason to have an empty column. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok. For consistency, I'll remove the other two in the conference which received votes, but never enough for a ranking. I think it makes perfect sense to do so at the end of the season. Just wanted to make sure.LUSportsFan (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


Bsuorangecrush, I just want to say thank you for keeping the conference and team pages up-to-date!! It is appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.34.7 (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

MWN[edit]

I just discovered your issue also involves 2013–14 Boise State Broncos men's basketball team, and not just the 2014–15 article. I see you started a discussion at Talk:2013–14 Boise State Broncos men's basketball team all the way back in January 2014. It is acceptable to assume consensus through WP:SILENCE, but it's usually better to bring the WikiProject or other dispute resolution alternatives in if unexplained reverts persist. You don't want to get nailed for edit warring, even though you are the only one that is actually trying to discuss things. I understand this can be frustrating. I usually add in the edit summary something like "per link to discussion" when I revert, and add some note about "assuming agreement per WP:SILENCE" on the talk page. Still, when I've reverted a few times, I generally bring in the related WikiProjects to see if there is a stronger consensus. If the other editor doesn't cooperate, WP:AN3 really is the best venue. It's sometimes difficult to convince a non-sports person what is really "vandalism", but anyone can look at reverts without knowing the subject and identify edit warring. Good luck. Have a Happy New Year.—Bagumba (talk) 22:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Your input is requested . . . .[edit]

BSUOC, I'd like to get your opinion on this revised infobox template: [1]. After determining what data points to include, we'll recruit a template editor to handle the coding for us. Once we determine what fields we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll work on the modified graphics. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:59, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Cleveland State[edit]

Just FYI, I replaced the CSU 50th anniversary after another editor had used the same logo for both the Cleveland State Vikings men's basketball and Cleveland State University pages (that I subsequently reverted). It was more for a compromise than anything. I personally don't mind it not being on the season article either, though have seen similar logos used on other articles. I used Kent State's centennial logo for the seasons that included 2010 even though none of those seasons were the team's respective centennial. The logo was frequently used during the seasons for all sports, even though it did not replace the regular version. It really depends how CSU uses it on their own materials, and it currently doesn't appear to have much of any usage on the athletic site. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested[edit]

If you get the chance, I'd like your opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Tournament scores and seeding in infoboxes since you are a frequent contributor to team season pages. Thanks. ~ Richmond96 TC 05:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Infobox college football player[edit]

BSUOC, do you have time to start checking a sizable number of the college football player articles that use Template:Infobox college football player over the next couple of days? There have been significant changes to the template coding in the past 48 hours, and we need to check a big sample of the articles that presently use the template and keep a list of any problems with how it being displayed or any problems with the input data that needs to be edited. Any time you have to devote to this in the next day or so would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

All of my time right now is going toward basketball pages. I don't even look at football pages until basketball is done because there is so much to update during tournaments. Sorry. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 01:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Understood, sir. It is March Madness time. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Buffalo Bulls[edit]

The source you added for "New York Bulls" doesn't actually state that the team is also known as the New York Bulls, it simply mentions the "New York Bulls Initiative", which is now almost 2 years old. I have added some things at Talk:Buffalo Bulls#New York Bulls when you have a moment to check them. I can't find any usage of the term outside of "New York Bulls Initiative" even on the UBBulls website. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

The only reason I added it was to shut up the guy that keeps adding New York Bulls to Buffalo's pages. I didn't want to start an edit war, because I don't think it should be there, and I thought that may work so the guy would stop. He's the one who gave me the source. Frankly, I don't think it should ever be added. They don't go by that. Nobody knows them as that. It should just be listed in its own section on their athletics page if anything at all but definitely should not be in the header.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 03:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts there and on so many of the pages you edit regularly. My attempts to communicate in that regard haven't gone far. I just wanted to clarify for you why I took it out. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Color graphics for Infobox college football player[edit]

OC, here's a sneak peel at how the revamped infobox is going: Template:Infobox college football player/testcases#Joe Cool (typical example). What do you think of the colors, graphics, and layout and design? In particular, how do you like the "college varsity stripe graphics?" Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Please comment pertaining to new school articles and categories[edit]

I began an important issue that will affect the college football, basketball, and baseball projects. You are a regular editor within any or all of these WikiProjects and your input is requested. Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#University of Texas Rio Grande Valley athletics. Thank you! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

The Orange and Blue[edit]

Sad: [2]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

What?Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
It's sad how far the Gators have fallen. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


Yeah, its super sad that if you lost all your games one year then go undefeated you'd still be #1 yet Boise State has to essentially go undefeated every single year and still gets told we aren't good enough. I feel for ya.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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Short turnaround on MBB schedule inputs[edit]

The time stamps on your edits for creating MBB schedules is sick. Do you have any tips? (I'm not at 500 edits for AWB yet) BahamaLlama8 (talk) 05:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I just use a lot of copy and pasting. Have the previous years schedule open on the edit screen so you can quickly search for stadium names or city names to copy. You can even just copy the teams links as long as you change the year. Plus, I've been doing it for about 6 years now so It all just comes quick over time.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 15:30, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Non-conference game asterisk[edit]

What do you think about moving the asterisk that denotes a non-conference opponent from the date column to the opponent column? I am thinking it makes more sense because it is a non-conference opponent, not a non-conference date. Just a thought. ~ Richmond96 TC 04:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Honestly I wish the asterisk marked conference games. That is how most schools sites list it. I'm not sure putting it next to the opponent is the answer though. I get your reasoning but I don't think it would look right.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

BSU colors[edit]

Hey, they reason I changed the text color in the Boise State schedule headers is that a while back I was told that you shouldn't use color-on-color text because it presents problems for color blind people. That's why Template:Boise State Broncos men's basketball navbox is white-on-blue with an orange border instead of orange-on-blue. At least that is my perception. I just wanted you to know the reasoning behind my edit. Thanks. ~ Richmond96 TC 20:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Makes sense, I'm OK with that then.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, OC[edit]

And may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

College Basketball headers[edit]

I think headers are still okay to do even if a few non-conference games are in there - there is still the asterisk to denote non-conference games.

  • No. If the header says "Ivy League regular season" that implies that all the games under that header are Ivy League games. With nonconference games under the header it makes it confusing, asterisks or not. So please do not readd the headers unless its all nonconference games under the nonconference header and all conference games under the conference header. If that is not possible then the top header should just say regular season.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
    • I only re-added one header that you had undone, didn't realize it had been undone. I think it is pretty clear also with non-conference record listed as well.

reverting edits[edit]

If you want to revert someone's edits, please learn to use the damn edit summary. Yes, I now realize I had made a mistake, but just one edit summary would've have been useful. Nothing pisses me off more when someone doesn't explain their reason for reverting. ❄ Corkythehornetfan ❄ 20:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Well nothing pisses me off more then someone updating a terrible logo. Really? Nobody associates that logo with Temple. Maybe be more careful in the future when making so many edits.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Recent edits[edit]

Hi Bsuorangecrush - Here's why I made the changes I did.

  1. Removing links to well-known locations, such as New York City and Spain. (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked).
  2. Avoiding state abbreviations (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Special_considerations)
State abbreviations are permitted where space is limited, but that isn't the case here, there's plenty of room. Why would you insist on abbreviating states when there's no need for it? It just makes life harder for readers without providing any benefit.
  1. Fixing (simplifying) links to venues:
The names of venues tend to change because of sponsorship deals with naming rights. A redirect provides a simple way to ensure that all links to an old name will go to the article under the current name. Piping an old name to the current name is pointless because if the name changes again, as it surely will when the current sponsorship deal comes to an end, the piped name will itself become a redirect and the already trivial benefit of a direct link will be lost. This has already happened in several cases - for example [[Baltimore Arena|1st Mariner Arena]] simply pipes the name to another name which has since been superseded, and is now itself a redirect.

Here are some relevant extracts from guides to best practice in piping and redirects:

  1. From Wikipedia:Piped_link#When_not_to_use:
  • It is generally not good practice to pipe links simply to avoid redirects. The number of links to a redirect page can be a useful gauge of when it would be helpful to spin off a subtopic of an article into its own page.
  • Introducing unnecessary invisible text makes the article more difficult to read in page source form.
  • Non-piped links make better use of the "what links here" tool, making it easier to track how articles are linked and helping with large-scale changes to links.
  1. From Wikipedia:Redirect#Do_not_.22fix.22_links_to_redirects_that_are_not_broken:
  • There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. While there are a limited number of cases where this is beneficial, there is otherwise no good reason to pipe links solely to avoid redirects. Doing so is generally an unhelpful, time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]].

Colonies Chris (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Compound adjectives[edit]

Bsuorangecrush, thanks for all your work creating and udpating college sports seasons. One thing to watch out for is compound adjectives. When you write "The Runnin' Bulldogs, led by fourth-year head coach Tim Craft, play their home games...", "fourth-year" needs to be hyphenated since it is a compound adjective. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 06:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please acknowledge that have you read this, because you have continued to make this mistake, e.g. at 2016–17 Chattanooga Mocs basketball team at November 8. Thank you! Jweiss11 (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Bsuorangecrush, what can I do to get you to properly punctuate "12th-year head coach", e.g. 2016–17 Savannah State Tigers basketball team? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 23:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

NCAA Basketball[edit]

I see you are doing a great job on the college basketball articles. I know it can be a tedious task so I just wanted to let you know that I got the Atlantic Sun teams covered as well as UNCW. Adamtt9 (talk) 01:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you but so far this year it seems like there aren't as many people making updates as their have been in the past, and I have a 5 month old baby that is keeping me from doing much at all. So if you ever have any extra time to do other pages it would be greatly appreciated. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:43, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
One thing I ask, like I just saw with the Jacksonville-Air Force game, is if you are already updating one team, go ahead and update their opponent. You already have the score and attendance at the ready, just click over and do both. It would help. Thanks.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 00:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah no problem. I think I'll have some added time as I finally get a break from tennis in December. Adamtt9 (talk) 02:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)