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Hermann Bottcher[edit]

Interested to talk about Capt. Hermann Bottcher. I am behind the archive- I have tons of info on Capt. Bottcher but not good at internet or wiki postings. please write back. I also have interests in 32nd ID.

Stephen T. "Esteban" Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by EstebanMartin (talkcontribs) 22:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help. My father John Francis Sullivan was a member of the 107th Quartermaster Company, 126th Infantry Regiment, 32nd ID, thus my interest. You've already made substantial contributions to the article, I suggest you continue to add the info you have. Whatever the source of your info, be sure they quality, reliable, preferably published sources. Then I or others can add on to or improve it. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

thanks for writing back to me and making a connection. That's great your father was in the 32nd ID. I salute him for his service and you for being his son. very cool and happy to meet you full and official. I am fascinated with the Buna operation and ran across Herman Bottcher back in the 1980's while taking night history class. When you look at the story of the 32nd there is soo much there. I have tried to explain the Kokoda track operation to folks and their eyes glaze over! I have to work on my presentation. Since you are 32nd ID hand you may like this link to HB's 201 file I was able to get from St Lo. (I had to go in person to scan the thing). Reads like a who's who of the pacific Theater. write back when you have a chance...Stephen

EstebanMartin (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stephen -- Thanks for the sharing the link. It's really interesting to read the real-time correspondence about Capt. Bottcher's actions and life on the front. What a treasure trove of information. You really ought to add details about the action that led to the capture of Buna-Gona wedge and his patrols during the Battle of Leyte. For example, you ought to cite the info on his Legion of Merit award.
Was his aunt his only U.S. relatives? Where did his parents live? — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 23:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

hello sorry to be getting back late. How are you?! Love this topic. In answer to your question: Hermann's parents where from Landsberg, Prussia (german) now part of poland. He was orphaned and came to the states following his fathers brother at about the age of 21 or 22 yrs- the aunt was only an aunt by marriage. He was alone except for this woman and her daughter (his first cousin) who was 12 years old when he was killed in leyte. I have bunch of info on his last battle. maybe better contact me at, hope talk to you soonEstebanMartin (talk) 03:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Please write back I understand your on hiatus from wiki but liek to chat off line regarding your BUNA NG work and ideasEstebanMartin (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Please click the "eMail" link in the toolbar above to send me a message with your email address and/or your Facebook username. As I've said above, you've already done a good job of adding content to the Herman Bottcher article, and I encourage you to continue that effort. I would be happy afterward to apply my editing skills to your contribution to bring it more in keeping with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

sorry, BT![edit]

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Sorry to see that you have left Wikipedia, BTphelps! I have not edited for many months but for one here or there and was surprised to see notice of your departure. I left some material for you here earlier (the "crap" you deleted, I guess), out of respect for your contribution to the GA-nominee in question, but of course am very sorry that the conditions are not right for you at present to be involved. It's inevitable that I am curious and so wonder if I was in any way responsible for your souring on Wikipedia ... I hope not b/c I try to avoid conflict and really avoid politics/administration. Your enthusiasm and dedication are a loss to the Wikipedia, no doubt and I am disappointed to see such a senior editor leave (and again I wonder if I somehow contributed??). I hope that you can return though someday... Be well, but before you go, please have a beer on me. Cheers. Azx2 11:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Absent, but not gone. Thanks for the good wishes. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 00:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Nightlight Christian Adoptions[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your additions to Nightlight Christian Adoptions, especially the references. Please note that this article uses the Bluebook citation style, and that the CS1 templates are not compatible with that style. You can find information on this citation style at Introduction to Basic Legal Citation (online ed. 2013), hosted by Cornell Law School. Again, thanks, GregJackP Boomer! 23:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not at all familiar with this citation style. This citation method and styling appears pretty awkward to me, and I've always used the citation wizard provided in the WP toolbar. I'll probably be making more contributions to the article, so forgive me if I don't get it right each time. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Kursk disaster[edit]

Hi. I've been reading the Kursk article and I have to say it's looking really good. Night and day compared to where it was when you started working on it. Thanks for the invite to come back and take a look, it's always good to see an article progress and this is a really interesting story. I've done a bit of copyediting but really it's probably mostly me rephrasing stuff to my personal taste and not adding a lot because there's not a lot left to add! There's a few little bits and pieces like the day/date formats seem a bit inconsistent from section to section but that's nitpicking really. I'm intrigued to see how it is rated on its next review. It's got to be knocking on the door of GA and I think given the subject matter would make a good candidate for a feature. Excellent work! danno_uk 21:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the generous praise and your copy edits. They are helpful. It's funny how a subject matter trips you up and you get hooked into it. A fascinating story. I'm putting a bit more work into it and will invite you back for a look see soon. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 22:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Agreed on the subject matter thing. My most recent article, Evans Quinn, is about a Nicaraguan boxer. I have no particular interest in either boxing or Nicaragua but the story itself is so extraordinary that I couldn't not write an article about it. danno_uk 00:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello again. I appreciate that you're still developing the article but just flagging up this part of the "Practice torpedo explodes" section:

"According to an article briefly published on the web site of the official newspaper of the Russian Defence Ministry, Krasnaya Zvezda, the Kursk had been refitted in 1998 to carry new torpedoes using the inexpensive, cheap fuel. Some specialists in the Russian Navy opposed their use because they were volatile and dangerous. The next day, the article was modified that speculated the submarine had collided with an "unidentified object." Vice-premier Ilya Klebanov, chair of the Russian government investigating the accident, had a vested interest in suggesting the disaster had been caused by a collision with a NATO vessel. As head of the defence industries he had promoted use of the liquid fueled torpedoes over the safer and more expensive silver-zinc battery-powered torpedoes.

But the cash-strapped Russian Navy continued to use the design because the fuel is very inexpensive."

It seems like some of the flow of this section has been lost in an edit somewhere. The last sentence is a rebuttal of something, but not the sentence that now precedes it. The part about the Krasnaya Zvezda article doesn't specify when it appeared and was subsequently amended a day later, making it difficult to place in the chronology (although potentially I imagine that it's difficult to get a date for). Also, "the article was modified that speculated the submarine..." doesn't make sense. That bit I could probably fix, but without the surrounding context I don't think it would necessarily be an improvement! Please don't take this as criticism of your work on the article which continues to be excellent, just trying to highlight some areas that you've probably looked at so often that your eye now slides over them (god knows I've been there!). danno_uk 00:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
No offense taken. I'm a bit cross-eyed after working on this for a while (212 edits). I'll take a look at these specific instances and see what I can do to fix them. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 00:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, I had a stab at improving it. Take a look. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
If I could edit that well, that fast, I'd own this encyclopaedia by now : ( danno_uk 01:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 20:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
@danno uk, feel free to reevaluate the article's class and make any recommendations for improvement on the article's talk page. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 03:34, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...[edit]

As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Discussion at Category talk:Arizona pioneers[edit]


As you are one of the few Wikipedians who regularly deals with the people and events of Arizona Territory, you might be interested in the discussion at Category talk:Arizona pioneers#Definition. --Allen3 talk 23:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for quality articles on heroic and devoted people, such as the longest search and rescue operation of the Vietnam War, and Richard Phelps, and for a heart-warming campfire, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (4 November 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 482nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 22:33, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were recipient no. 482 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hungarian revolution of 1848[edit]

Segíthetnél rendbeszedni a cikket. Különösen a Military events szekciót kellene röviden tömören, de átfogóan megszerkeszteni. Ha ez megvan a "Hungarian revolution of 1848" cikkben, azután kellene majd két külön bővebb új wiki cikket nyittani a Téli és a Tavaszi hadjáratról is. Több magyar wiki szerkesztő között kellene felosztani a feladatot.

Válaszodat előre is köszönöm!--Bwatzuk (talk) 16:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't speak Hungarian. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Far West[edit]

Thank you for your contribution in the ca:Far West page.--Climent Sostres (talk) 17:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Fitzsimmons vs. Sharkey DYK[edit]


I began a review of the above. The sheer incongruity of Wyatt Earp as a boxing referee ought to guarantee some great response for this DYK. However, I found some problematic citations (and lack thereof) that need addressing, along with other problems needing remedy.

Please feel free to message me for any help I might be able to render you.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello again,

I went through your article again. There are still some unaddressed problems. I supplied an ALT1 hook, which would have to be approved by a different editor. Again, I am available for help.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

George T. Morgan photo[edit]

I noticed that you recently edited the page on the Morgan dollar. There is only one image of George T. Morgan on wikipedia and it looks terrible. George is my 2nd great grandfather and I have a picture of him from the family collection that is much better. I am new to wikipedia and utterly confused by the rules about uploading images. The photo is not copyrighted. Would you help me by adding George's portrait?

The picture file can be found at

Alexbikesphilly (talk) 22:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure I can help. Thanks for asking. Please send me an email using the link at the top of this page and I'll help you get this done. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 23:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


Had a look at your problem and looking at the readability scorer. The current text came up with

Flesch Reading Ease score: 58.1
Gunning Fog: 9.6

Thought there was way too much detail for a lead. This was my attempt.

Flesch Reading Ease score: 62.4
Gunning Fog: 8

The Battle of Remagen during the Allied invasion of Germany resulted in the unexpected capture of the Ludendorff Bridge over the Rhine. It shortened World War II and potentially saved thousands of lives. After capturing the Siegfried Line, the 9th Armored Division of the U.S. First Army advanced with unexpected speed. They were very surprised to see that the railroad bridge was still standing. The Germans had wired the bridge with demolition charges. When they tried to blow it up, only a portion of the explosives detonated. U.S. forces captured the bridge and rapidly expanded their first bridgehead across the Rhine. This was two weeks before Operation Plunder. The GI's actions prevented the Germans from regrouping east of the Rhine and consolidating their positions.

The battle caused both the American and German forces to employ new weapons and tactics. Over the next 10 days, the Germans used virtually every weapon at their disposal to try to destroy the bridge. To protect the bridge, the Americans positioned the largest concentration of anti-aircraft weapons during World War II. This led to "the greatest antiaircraft artillery battles in American history." The Germans attacked the bridge with dozens of aircraft. The Americans shot down nearly 30% of the aircraft. The Germans then attacked the bridge using Arado Ar 234 turbojet bombers and Messerschmitt 262 jet fighters. This was the first time they had been used to attack a strategic target during the war. All of these efforts failed. On 17 March Chancellor Adolf Hitler ordered Schutzstaffel (SS) General Hans Kammler to fire V2 rockets to destroy the bridge. This was the first time the missiles had been used against a strategic objective. It was the only time they were fired on a German target. The 11 missiles launched only killed six Americans and a number of Germans. The Germans sent a squad of seven naval demolition swimmers but the Americans were ready. For the first time in combat, they deployed the extremely bright Canal Defence Lights. The frogmen were detected in the dark. All were killed or captured.

The bridgehead was available more than two weeks in before the planned crossing. This allowed Allied high commander Dwight Eisenhower to alter his plans. The Allies were able to rapidly transport five divisions into Germany. This allowed them to envelop the German industrial area of the Ruhr more quickly. The bridge had endured months of aircraft bombing, direct artillery hits, near misses, and deliberate demolition attempts. It finally collapsed at 3:00 PM on 17 March. Twenty-eight U.S. Army Engineers were killed and 63 were wounded. By then U.S. Army combat engineers had finished building three bridges across the Rhine. Over 25,000 troops crossed into Germany before the Americans broke out of the bridgehead on 25 March 1945. This was 18 days after the bridge had been captured. German and American military authorities agreed that capturing the bridge shortened the war. The Ludendorff Bridge was not rebuilt following World War II.

Regards Cinderella157 (talk) 10:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:57, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Voting for the Military historian and Military newcomer of the year now open![edit]

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Btphelps, I notice that you are a fellow member of WP:AOW and very active in it's articles. Good to see. I took a long break from WP because it began to feel like work for me at times but I watched the following movies and got the itch again:

I noticed that our AOW project was taken over by another project and the Old West article has been renamed American Frontier. I'm not sure about these new developments. How do you feel about the state of the union? --Hutcher (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Hutcher, welcome back! Glad to have another Wikipedian interested in American history in the Old West. Thanks for all the cleanup work you've put into a bunch of Old West articles during the past few days. It's been one of my unfulfilled goals to create articles to take care of all the redlinks in the navbar Cochise County in the Old West that you made some fixes to.
I was watching a few minutes of Tombstone with Kurt Russell last night but couldn't swallow the huge divergence from reality. At least Wyatt Earp tries to adhere to something resembling truth. I blame the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral for my interest in WP articles on the Wild West. About six years ago I saw Kevin Costner's movie and was really saddened by the awful WP article on the shootout, so I made it my mission to fix it. That turned into a bit of an obsession that I still find hard to release. I still get really rankled for example by all the uninformed silly enthusiasts that insist this picture is of Josephine Earp.
I too noticed the Old West article has been renamed American Frontier and although I didn't necessarily agree with what I feel is a extreme broadening of the article scope, I couldn't muster and frankly didn't strive too hard to find the energy to come up with any effective counter-arguments. I don't follow project activity too closely and tend to avoid interacting with admins or admin-level WP work, as I've grown weary of rampant abuse by other editors that feels—yes, "like work"—so I restrict myself to less controversial, more marginal areas that interest me.
The American Frontier article at 153kb could effectively be split if you feel that "Old West" could be carved from it. If you want to be bold, I support the move. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 03:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fitzsimmons vs. Sharkey[edit]

Harrias talk 12:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Re: Chain Reaction[edit]

Thanks for taking on this GAN. I know you are still working on it for the next week, but I wanted to mention a few things:

  • Language like "Pulitzer Prize-winning" is usually avoided. See for example WP:PEACOCK. That should probably be removed.
  • The 2a criterion for layout of references doesn't really have much to say about multiple ref names, styles, and dead links. However, I'll be more than happy to fix the ref name and dead link. The style, on the other hand (at least the last time I checked) was fairly consistent. If you can point out a problem with the style, I will address it, but I'm not seeing an issue.

Thanks again for spending time on this. Viriditas (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, technically true on both points.
  • In this instance, "Pulitzer" is not puffery you'e added to inflate Condor's standing, but factual, and I suggest it adds to the notability of the sculpture, so I believe it adds to meaningfulness of the article. For example, under WP:Peacock, wee the example, "Dylan was included in Time's 100..." But if you want to leave it out, I'm ok with that.
  • As to "layout of references" I guess if they all "look good", then all is good? Do you want to promote an article you've writeen to GA status with duplicate references though? I certainly think a dead link is not a reliable source and ought to be fixed.
  • I'd also like to suggest you reduce the size of the map by about half because it doesn't contribute materially to the content but visually dominates the last half of the article. Images should be relevant to the content, not distract from it.
btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 00:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles have generally deprecated the use of "award-winning" descriptions over the last five years due to peacock concerns, so I think it should be removed. Duplicate refs should be fixed. Point them out to me so I can get to it. Dead links don't have an impact on reliability, just verification. But like I said, I'm happy to fix things up. The map is big so we can read the detail. I'm not committed to the size, but I found smaller versions to be less readable. However, I will look into making it smaller, but I think the current size is within acceptable parameters. Hopefully, my changes will meet your expectations. Viriditas (talk) 01:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Addendum: Btphelps, I'm a little confused. You added the "award-winning" bit, but in the above comments you said I added it. You also added the duplicate ref, but inferred here and in the review that I added it. Is this a simple mistake on your end? Viriditas (talk) 05:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Look for a duplicate ref name=HH. If I added a ref that was already in the article, it was unintended. I searched the article for the URL of the ref and didn't find it in my initial effort. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 05:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I fixed it, but that was only inline. It didn't appear in the displayed references so it wasn't much of a problem. As far as the landmark section goes, small sections are to be avoided, so it seems appropriate to have everything in a "Restoration and refurbishment" section for the moment. I'll take a look at the web link you told me to review. Viriditas (talk) 21:46, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Note: I filed a request for help at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Location_map_of_sculpture. You're welcome to participate or not. Viriditas (talk) 04:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Remagen[edit]

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Polly Jacobs?[edit]

Hope you can have a minute to read my talk post about Caresse Crosby.

Thank you in advance.

Nice to meet you. Filippof (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Mysterious Dave Mather and Luke Short articles[edit]

Hi Btphelps - My name is Jack DeMattos. I literally "wrote the book" on both Mysterious Dave Mather (1992)and Luke Short (2015). While I consider myself both a writer and historian - no one will ever accuse me of being an editor ... as the editors employed by my publishers will attest to. You seem to know your way around the style of editing that Wikipedia insists upon. I could really use your help in editing both the Mather and Short items and making them acceptable to Wikipedia.

Both the Mather and Short articles contain the most accurate information published on these men, and were written by yours truly with the aid of members of both the Short and Mather families. To me, getting this accurate information out there is my main focus, with the intent of helping other (or future) historians with their own studies. Now if you can aid me by making the editorial corrections needed, I will be in your debt. I still have a few more tweaks to make in the Mather article- but it is nearly done (Jack DeMattos (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC))Jack DeMattos

You're doing a great job updating the articles. I can provide some help later on with Wiki formatting as I have time. I suggest that you add wiki links like this -- [[Wiki topic title|topic name]] -- to any other topics on Wikipedia you feel may help a reader better understand the context of your article -- related stories and people, for example. Sometimes I open a second window for Wikipedia and search for the exact title of the related topic so I can add it to the article itself. You know what's relevant better than anyone.
And if you can organize the articles using subheads, this will help bring some cohesiveness and order to the articles as well. I'm working on an article about Charles Smith of Tombstone as I have time, but Wikipedia is decidedly a low priority for me these days. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 17:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I've been following many of your suggestions re the Mather article (or at least am trying to). While there may still be more work to be done to get it in line with the style Wikipedia prefers, I have been attempting to do this. I'm wondering if we can now dispense with that large rectangle at the top of the Mather article - the one that says "This article has multiple issues." I honestly believe that the article, as it now stands does not contain any of the five issues described. I could be wrong - but take a look and see what you think. Also, I feel that we can also dispense with that smaller rectangle at the end of the article. This is the one with the heading Notes. It talks about not using such things as ibid, loc.cit and idem. None of those appear in my footnotes - so is it possible to also dispense with this rectangle? If there is any way that you can remove these two rectangles I would greatly appreciate it. As it stands now they both give the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the article and the information it contains are somehow untrustworthy - when, in fact, the Mysterious Dave article contains the most accurate (and up-to-date) information that is currently available. Again, I would greatly appreciate your help with this. Thank you Jack DeMattos (talk) 20:07, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

You made some great changes to the Breast article. Your work doesn't go unnoticed!

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Franklin Leslie article name[edit]

I am currently adding material to your article on Nashville Franklyn "Buckskin Frank" Leslie. That article currently goes under the main head (at the very top of the page in large type)of Franklin Leslie - which is incorrect. Could you, or one of the other editors, please change that head to read Buckskin Frank Leslie. Jack DeMattos (talk) 15:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

This discussion belongs on the article's talk page, and I've moved it there. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 17:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


You've probably already been pinged, but I've brought Jack DeMattos' editing to WP:ANI. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:59, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have been hesitant to take further action, hoping DeMattos would come around, but it seems as if your step was inevitable given his continued pattern of editing. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 22:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Charles Bassett[edit]

This morning I was addressing just about all of the issues that you suggested on my Charles E. "Charlie" Bassett article. I agreed with what you suggested and was almost done, when I had to take a break to run errands. I planned on getting in touch with you when I got back, to see if you thought what I had met your approval. I felt it would, since it conformed to the various Wikipedia standards I've heard so much about. Well, when I got back from my errands, the article I wrote on Bassett was totally destroyed, and replaced with something that WikiDan61 came up with that is useless. It is replete with errors - "Bedford," instead of the correct "New Bedford" and the repeated use of "Marshall," instead of the correct "Marshal." In reworking my rather short article, which consisted of about 18 citations I felt I had something that would conform to even the most demanding Wikipedia standards. So, Btphelps (wish I knew your real name - but you can call me Jack) you are clearly someone who knows more than a little about Wild West history and the Dodge City crowd in particular. When you get an opportunity I would appreciate it if you would check out the current version of the Bassett article by WikiDan61 and compare it to the version by me that he destroyed. If you can look at these two versions, and then say, with a straight face, that WikiDan61 has come up with an "improvement," there will be something wrong with this picture. Jack DeMattos (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Red - When you get a chance, take a look at the Charles E. Bassett article. I've addressed just about all of the suggestions that you have made - at least up to this point. It may require further tweaking, here and there, but I think you'll find my latest version very much closer to what you hand in mind. While I have your attention I had an idea that you might be able to assist with - since your technical chops are undoubtedly better than mine. In short - Is it possible to move the "Dodge City Peace Commission" photo from its current location, blow it up to a larger size, and place that enlarged photo so that it is placed in what is currently a large blank space next to the Table of Contents? I think it would make a far more attractive page. I probably should mention that, prior to turning to writing full-time, I worked for several years as a corporate art director - who specialized in page layouts. Let me know what you think about the idea. Also let me know if there are any remaining issues with the Bassett article that you think should be addressed. I'm sure we can work together. Jack DeMattos (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Jack. Thanks for your vote of confidence. I'll have a look when I have a chance. I don't know if it'll be today or tomorrow though. Thanks for your patience. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 17:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Baby with the bathwater[edit]

BT, what part of the "baby" do you feel got thrown out with the "bathwater" in my edit to Charles E. "Charlie" Bassett. I'll admit that I misspelled a few things, but if there was any substantive content that got lost, I'd like to know. I thought I did a fair job of removing the fluff while leaving the meat. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I haven't had time to dig into it, but it appears on a cursory glance that some of the content in the sections you cut about "Sheriff of Ford County, Kansas", "Assistant Marshal of Dodge City", and "Marshal of Dodge City" might be worth saving. There might be other parts too. Jack Demattos has since restored the deleted sections. I just removed one of them about a gunfight Charlie witnessed. It's difficult to cut through the puffery to find the meat in his content. I hope Jack sees tht light and continues to contribute. He obviously is an expert and we have paltry few of those on WP. These observations are all I have time for today. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 21:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
The material in those sections was retained almost entirely intact, just without the separate headings. One of the problems with the article is excessive headings. Each individual paragraph does not need a separate heading. The material I did delete entirely was the part about the killing of Dora Hand (in which Bassett was one member of the posse who arrested Hand's murder; presumably Bassett was a member of many posses in his role as Marshal, so I have no idea why this one was considered significant) and the part about witnessing the Richardson-Loving gunfight (I presume this is a significant gunfight among the lore of the old west, but DeMattos' writeup does not tell us that, presuming that anyone reading the article would already know that, but since Bassett's role in the gunfight was non-existent, I removed it, and you appear to agree with that assessment). WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
My view via the article history of the state of your changes may not have been accurate. If you left those portions in, my apologies. Thanks for wading in on this article. Good work! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 22:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It's only good work if we can get Mr DeMattos to accept the help. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 01:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Posted Photo Cited as being of a young Josephine (Josephine Sarah Marcus) at Prescott, Arizona in 1880, Is Not That Person.[edit]

Hello, Btphelps! I awoke this morning to find that my initial search for your talk page yielded the result I was looking for, and that all I had to do now, is log in (if I could remember how to do that) -and so here I Am! I am almost Totally Illiterate in "Wikispeak" (as I'll coin the level of procedural knowledge needed here). I'm just a person that has good information in certain areas & wants to help. -With That, I want you to be advised that I have Confirmed (By Comparison to Several other Antique Photographs of Josie Earp which I Own), that the photo posted on the article (referencing you as the article presenter) is Not Josie. I don't believe that this is any error of yours, necessarily -but is that of the original reference source or claimant. I can say With Confidence that Josephine Sarah Marcus is, Instead (& always has been) the Woman featured in the "Kaloma" Poster, which the author (Lake) cited. Since the discovery of my image lot, I know that Lake was being both Honest & Correct in his statement, that the Original Photograph used on that poster was created in the 1880's and that Josephine Sarah Marcus is The Model! I have Corroborative, Antique Imagery which supports Lake's Information, and Statement, to that effect. My gMail is: Please contact me & I will Share the Imagery I'm referring to.. and there's More. -Thanks very much -Blue! Bluebrown1 (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC) (bluebrown1)

Hi Bluebrown! I'd be happy to receive any and all documentation you have that shows the provenance of the Kaloma photo back to Tombstone and Johnny Behan, and I'd love to help you add other images of her to the WP article about her. It'd be great to have more images to compare to the current images to and to give a more accurate impression of her. Can you scan them and send them to me? If you live in the US and don't own a scanner, you can go to most Walgreen's Photo Departments and scan pictures for a small fee. You can use the link to "Email me" at the top of this page. Looking forward to hearing from you! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 20:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Josephine Sarah Marcus[edit]

  • Josie Earp is Definitely the woman Depicted in the "Kaloma" Image. I have proof in the form of Scanned CDV & RPPC images on my Laptop, but don't know how to transfer them Here, (to you) via the Link. -Best Wishes, Blue. --Bluebrown1 (talk) 00:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • You can send me an email and I'll reply so you can send the images to me directly. To email me, click the Email link at the top of this page. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Buna–Gona[edit]

Hi, I have, for continuity) created separate headings for discussion of length and bias in the new section on problems. I was hoping you might move your comment on length to the new sub-section. While I believe it is probably not beyond bounds that I might do this, it is certainly more courteous that I make this request. Regards Cinderella157 (talk) 23:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


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Bra, Rising popularity of[edit]

Are you sure about the change from WWI to WWII? I don't have a subscription to the NYTimes but their search function gives their oldest articles using 'brassiere' from 1909+, and though their readers may have been more fashion-conscious than average, by 1911 there are articles like: "The Newest Style in Corsets. ...more protection to keep it in slender lines than the present-day corset gives, but the popular brassiere is Invented for purpose. Women like the brassiere for many reasons. It is more comfortable than an extra..." If it's already 'popular' with the fashionable New Yorker by 1911, would it really need another 34 years to become widely adopted? I may have to ask a 90 year-old relative how old she was when she got her first bra.RLamb (talk) 11:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC) RLamb (talk) 11:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Are you referring to this paragraph?
By the time World War II ended, most fashion-conscious women in Europe and North America were wearing brassieres. From that point forward, women in Asia, Africa, and Latin America adopted the brassiere.
I believe the citation was specifically referring to the mass availability of bras. The info is right out of the citation I linked. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 16:33, 30 September 2015 (UTC)



Hi Osmond, Please understand, I really like your images. I'd love to have all of them added to articles. I think the collection itself is notable and may merit an WP article itself. But WP is a sometimes difficult place to get started contributing because they have so many different guidelines and different editors interpret them different ways. WP requires that when images are contributed the contributor has to be able to demonstrate that they fit the open source or Creative Commons licensing policy.
Because you are the uploader of the images, your simple declaration of their provenance, that the images are all pre-1923 and are of the people you say they are, may not be sufficient to meet WP guidelines. I truly believe that many of them in fact are of the individuals stated. The likenesses are very clear, though in a few instances, less so. I'd really like to help you get the images accepted as valid. They are a wonderful contribution to the historic lore about the individuals who they are supposed to be pictures of.
I'm sorry, I'm not near Kearny, Missouri this week, or I'd love to see the collection. Is that where you're from?
I'm not the final arbiter of all of this. I suggest we get some input from other editors on how to validate that the images are genuine and their provenance is proven. To start, this will probably require you to provide some third-party sources to establish that the images were taken before 1923, or proof that the studio on the image closed before 1923, or other evidence. Then you will have to provide some third-party opinion that the images are of the individuals taken. Or you'll have to make available other evidence that the person's names were written on the images. The articles you named may be helpful if you can provide source info, links, or publication info.
I'm totally on your side. I'd like to find a way to establish the authenticity of the images. But you also have to understand that as the owner of the images, if you can clearly establish the authenticity of the images, you could be greatly rewarded financially. So you're not a disinterested person when it comes to proving the that pictures are of the people you say they are. Because this is a complex issue, due diligence is required.
Give me a day or two to explore the proper way to get other editors input into this discussion. There's a formal process for this kind of thing and I'm not sure what it is. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 21:54, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Btphelps, Thank you for your support and opening a discussion. I am not the owner of this collection. I am only getting the collection known. All of these people died before 1923. There age of death is shown on their page. Regardless of when the photographic studios went out of business the photos were taken before 1923. The people were not alive during or after 1923. The latest I could find of any of these photography studios was 1911. We do not submit any photographs of people unless we are absolutely certain it is who we say they are. By doing so would hurt the credibility of the collection. Professor Cary Lane a Forensics Arts teacher from John Jay College in NY is doing the analysis. He is one of the leading forensic teachers, his students go on to work for law enforcement agencies all over the nation. The Age Regression Analysis is well respected and is used frequently in our Court of Law. Professor Lane did the analysis on the Josephine Earp photos for Professor Ann Kirschner's book, Lady at the OK Corral. Ann was impressed with our Josephine Earp photos and connected us with Professor Lane. Professor Lane's analysis with Professor Kirschner's Josephine photos can be seen on YouTube. There are eight videos. This collection will prove to be the biggest contribution to Old West history in decades. Eight articles have been published in Texas A article will be coming out in in December then again in their Wild West magazine in February on Wyatt Earp. Two articles have been submitted to True West magazine and one to Cowboys and Indians magazine. More are being written. Press releases have just been sent to national newspapers asking for assistance in finding out who put this collection together. The Kansas City Star recently published the article. We have several clues that this collection was collected in the 1920-30's. We do have photos of Bonnie and Clyde also from this collection but we will not be submitting them to WIKI because they were taken after 1923. More photos from the collection along with a comparison photo can be seen on Facebook at "Old West Photos and More" We will soon be submitting our collection to Wes Cowan who has the PBS show History Detective, hoping he can find out who the original owner was. This collection has had decades of research. Besides being purchased from the families some of the photos we know were obtained from friends of the families through newspaper advertising. Research has been done in old newspapers up until 1922. We are currently looking for ways to research papers after 1922. We will someday find the advertisement and track down who the original owner was. Btphelps, yes I am a new contributor. I hope I am putting this response in the right pace so everyone can see it. If not, could you please put it in the proper place. I am willing too answer any questions and provide more evidence of this collection. The Philips Collection could be a great contributor to Wiki and Old West history. Thank you, username, OSMOND PHILLIPSOSMOND PHILLIPS (talk) 01:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

OSMOND PHILLIPS, unfortunately the Kansas City Star article is only a press release so its not a second party reliable source. Facebook is self published so that too is not a reliable source. The article will be interesting to see. Do you have a forensics report on any of the images? That would be a huge help. I haven't seen the YouTube videos yet. Please add all future comments here.


The collection wasn't know to the public until recently. The second owners they have researched the collection for almost twenty years. The owners did not know what to do with it as far as getting the collection known. I was hired to promote it.

There are a few photos that has the actual persons name on it. Others have relatives names on them and a few friends. We do have forensic results back on Josephine Earp. A article will be out the first of November if not earlier on her. We are only doing forensic analysis on Josephine Earp, Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Big Nose Kate Horony, Jesse and Frank James, John Wesley Hardin and Billy the Kid. These are very high profile people. It cost a lot of money to get these analyzed by Professor Cary Lane.

Something to consider, the chance that anyone can find even one look alike in their life time has odds against them like winning the lottery. The Phillips collection has over 200 look alikes. The collection has another 100 photos we still have to research. Obviously someone researched the families of these people and purchased their photographs. The photography companies were in business during the of time of the people photographed. We also believe the owner advertised in National newspapers to buy Old West outlaws and lawmen. We do not submit any photographs unless we are certain it is who we say it is. We have a team of 8 people. By submitting a photo of someone that is not who we say it is can hurt the credibility of the collection. I have over 25 years experience in Western Antiques. There is over 80 years of experience on our team.

We are and will be completely responsible for what we submit.

We even have a group of photographs of Kate Horony, Doc Holliday's companion that will prove that the photograph that has been know as Josephine Earp in books for over 50 years and on the internet is really Big Nose Kate Horony. This collection has many interesting clues that will make a difference in the history of these people.OSMOND PHILLIPS (talk) 03:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

OSMOND PHILLIPS, you need to share some sources that support the facts behind identifying the persons in the images. I'm not the person you need to convince. I think you need to annotate each of the images you've uploaded with information on the photos' background, for example, was it labeled with the person's name, has it been forensically examined, etc. Based on the comments so far, it looks like you need to begin by completing a formal email. The process is described here. For assistance with the OTRS process, please see Wikipedia:Contact us. Given the sensitive nature of this collection of images, you need to understand that anything you upload to Wikipedia enters the public domain. Anyone can use it and endlessly modify it. If that's not your intention or desire, you need to request to get your images removed.
And you need to copy your remarks from above and add to the discussion there! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 23:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Work on Wyatt Earp et al[edit]

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Hey thanks for noticing. I think Wyatt Earp merits another look at GA and am trying to tighten up some details. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 07:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Let me know if I can help. I gave access to Questria if needed. Just not a lot of time these days. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 09:49, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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Btphelps, I really appreciate your help and support. I apologize for my novice mistakes. I have some very exciting news regarding the Phillips Collections. It is about a very rare photograph that will eventually air on National Geographic channel. I would be happy to send it to you to see, if you can get me your email. Thanks Osmond PhillipsOSMOND PHILLIPS (talk) 20:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Osmond! Sounds like great news! I can't wait to see the show. I don't want to publicly post my email address here on Wikipedia. If you could please click this link: "email", you can send me an email that I can use to reply directly to you.— btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 20:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


Your personal contributions to the subject of what women should or shouldn't do with their breasts have been recognized.  — Scott talk 19:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh Scott, gosh, wow, thanks so very much!! You shouldn't have! (*blushes*) — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 03:27, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Battle of the Bulge#Recommended article split[edit]

Hi btphelps, Any suggestion on moving forward with your proposal to split the aftermath section of the Battle of the Bulge and perhaps the Ardennes-Alsace campaign sequelae?

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it's definitely on my to do list. Been otherwise distracted by other things WP and oppressed by my job. If you'd like to copy / move the article in my sandbox (here) to a public draft and begin to whack away at it, go for it! — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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