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My comment to East Bay High school

Is very much accurate it is rumored to be torn down in the next 7 years as well as invested with rats and roaches. Have you ever been there? No. You haven't. Don't delete my comments.

--Jpin10 (talk) 01:22, 4 March 2013 (UTC)jpin10 3/3/2013East Bay High School

Wikipedia does not report rumours, however. If it's going in the article, it should be sourced to a reliable source, preferably a secondary source. —C.Fred (talk) 01:24, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Help

Hi C. Fred!

I wanted to thank you for helping to revert vandalism on the Witness Lee page. I think it happened on a weekend, during which I generally don't even touch a computer (I like to do other things than be on a computer on the weekends; I have enough of computers from school and work). But I do have 2 questions for you:

  1. How did you catch the vandalism so quickly? Is there a list of potential acts of vandalism somewhere?
  2. Why did you not put a warning on the Paperroses talk page? Was it because it seemed like the user created the account for the sake of that one act of vandalism and would never use it again?

Thanks again.

Sosthenes12 (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)Sosthenes12

Hi! In response to your two questions, first, I tend to watch the list of recent changes made by new editors. (Go to your contributions, and it's a search option here.) So, I see lots of edits made by newly-registered accounts.
Second, I opted against a warning because they made one edit and were gone. If they made a second edit, I'd have given them a message with pointers to our guidelines and a warning. But for one bad edit, I figured I'd quietly revert and deny them any recognition for it, including a warning. —C.Fred (talk) 03:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

George paley

Why did you delete this page. George F. Paley Please list the deletion criteria Thank you Pele007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pele007 (talkcontribs) 17:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

George Paley sculpture was deleted, per the log, under criterion A7, an article about a person that does not make an assertion of the subject's significance or importance. None of the exhibitions appeared to be significant per WP:ARTIST. —C.Fred (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Minute to win it

Hi, Im really new here and Im kinda confused. I contacted some person who works here and i needed a page that was deleted... so he told me to come here that is the website i need — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minutetowinitman (talkcontribs) 02:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't handle requests to email users the content of deleted pages; I just don't do that via email. You'll need to go to WP:Requests for undeletion and get an administrator there to email you the page content, if you want a copy of the deleted text. —C.Fred (talk) 02:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
See also your talk page. I've replied in more detail there. —C.Fred (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi Fred, yes please, could you move the page, as you suggest. Much appreciated. SarahJane H2O (talk) 14:47, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you advise

Hi Fred, Wondered if you could advise. By moving the page, it now appears a little messy to access it. You need to find the link in the User Page and click it, to get to the moved page now. Is there a neater way to access that page, that you know please? Thanks for any help you can offer. I realise I can't change my User Page Name to ComputerTel as that is unauthorised, but any advise would be greatfully received. Many thanks SarahJane H2O (talk) 10:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It is a little messy, but that's okay. It's in draft form right now. There's a link on your talk page, so you can get to it easily. Any editors you ask to review the page will be able to find the page. Plus, it's under the general heading of articles for creation, so that will get some people who are generally looking at pages under development and wanting to help out.
Once the article is "ready for prime time"—when there are multiple independent reliable sources and a clear demonstration of the company's notability—then it can get moved to main article space. —C.Fred (talk) 18:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Gardner-White Furniture

I've noticed it's back. This could be interesting for background. The company seems to be notable. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Amphetamine synthesis

Why do you think that the Methamphetamine#Synthesis and Substituted amphetamine#Synthesis are an appropriate level of detail? They go into specific synthesis steps, and link to actual syntheses. There are specific instructions for which steps need to be heated, what kind of catalysts to use, and common pitfalls. Isn't MDMA#Chemistry a more appropriate level of detail compliant with WP:NOTHOWTO? Josh Joaquin (talk) 04:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Editors misapplying WP:NOTHOWTO

Hey, C.Fred. Regarding this and this, as well as this and this, you may be interested in weighing in on this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 04:57, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I added something …

I added something because the definition was so biased that it was incorrect (pimp defined as a "manager" but not a human trafficker). Obviously wiki seems to think this is OK. No wonder we don't put our info in wiki.Elizabeth1848 (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: User:Savantalpha's essay

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Vandalism Help

Hi C.Fred!

I talked to you before about a user called Paperroses who created a brand new account and then vandalized a page called Witness Lee. He recently just vandalized a page called Watchman Nee with two of his edits, both of which I undid. He returned to Witness Lee with two more obvious acts of vandalism, which I undid. He further vandalized the Living Stream Ministry page with two edits that I undid. What do I do next? I want to use a level 3 warning but am not sure how to proceed.

Sosthenes12 (talk) 02:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Sosthenes12

Hi C.Fred!

I saw what you added to the talk page of paperroses. Thanks. What happens if he keeps trying to do these things? Is it obvious to you that these edits are more angry ranting than constructive edits? Why would someone do something like this on Wikipedia?

Thanks, Sosthenes12 (talk) 17:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Sosthenes12

Alexander kirk

Hi C. Fred. Yes sorry I am new to this and find it all a little confusing. I am Alexander Kirk and deleted the ref as it linked to the CV of someone else and thought it should be on their page. I hope I did the right thing. Many thanks. Alexander1455 (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Replying on your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Whatley photos

Hi, Fred

I answered your question on my talk page. Not sure if you would be alerted to that so thought I'd let you know here as well. I posted his email address, his "email of permission" to me, and the URL of his Flickr account where all the photos reside. If there's anything else I need to do please let me know. Commonplace Book (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Reporting Dispute Resolution

Dear "C. Fred". This is in reference to the article "Greater Middle East". In the "View history" section, I see: (cur | prev) 15:17, 2 March 2013‎ C.Fred (talk | contribs)‎ . . (22,190 bytes) (+16,279)‎ . . (Undid revision 541723732 by (talk) - unexplained wholesale deletion) (undo)

In fact, I have explained the deletion twice in the TALK section under "Relevance of article". This article has been consistent in context from 2006 until February 2013. For the last few weeks, an attempt is being made to generalize the article to the extent of triviality. This was done by user "WashingtonPrime".

I have opened a dispute resolution for this case which you can see at: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Thanks for your time in coming over to the noticeboard C.Bard. Apologies if I didnt follow the right protocol for anything. Ill attempt to contact the other user again and invite him for his comments. Best! (talk) 03:38, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for J-Pimp

An editor has asked for a deletion review of J-Pimp. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. == The reason why i'm writing you is to have J-Pimp page unblocked for re-creation! In 2011, it was repeatedly recreated and needed to be protected, but was never and now recently just vandalized in 2012. This article is about a musician from Florida with notable music and good resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 20:42, 18 March 2013‎ (UTC)

Which resources? If you had a list of those, it would be easier to evaluate whether the page should be unprotected. Please reply with a list of the reliable sources and indicate specifically which criteria of WP:MUSIC he meets. —C.Fred (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

what is a sock pupet???

can't we edit to add more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruamrudee ms team (talkcontribs) 03:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

New article for Anthony Ausgang

Hi C.Fred, the history of the Anthony Ausgang article shows you deleted an article on June 4, 2010. There was a note to contact you to review any new article with new content. I posted the new article to the Talk page at Talk:Anthony_Ausgang. Can you approve and post? I will also try to contact Frank, but JamesBWatson is away and KingofHearts is under administrative review. Thanks.TBliss (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a good new article—or at least it doesn't run afoul of CSD G4—so it's now in article space at Anthony Ausgang. —C.Fred (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, C.Fred! Appreciate your work.TBliss (talk) 20:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

American football

It's about the revert, you know the one. I agree with your rationale, but I think an undo was unnecessary. You see, the way I worded it accounted for that. Here's what you gave as a rationale:

it flows better than "kicking (but not punting)", though

My wording was simply "kicking." Not "kicking (but not punting)": I don't know if you're working from memories of past traumatic arguments or if your cache just needs cleared, but I wrote nothing about punting. It doesn't need to be any more specific than "kicking": That covers all the bases without getting into excessive detail. We can't acknowledge a ridiculously rare edge-case scenario in the lead, and we can't bow to pedants who insist that we do so. Punts are kicks, so if we leave it as "kicking," then it covers all varieties of kicks without getting into excessive detail. Do we agree on this? If you're worried about know-it-alls editing nitpicky stuff back in, maybe we can place a comment warning future editors not to mess with that phrasing? Dementia13 (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, punts are kicks! Points cannot be scored from a punt in American football, only from the other two types of legal kicks. My concern was providing that information consistently with the rugby articles. However, both of those articles push the type of kick down to detail articles on drop goals. They don't even mention method of scoring in their respective introductions. Based on that, then, kicking is sufficient for the intro. —C.Fred (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I have no issue with the new wording. The only reason I specified the drop-kick when I wrote the text is that, like C.Fred said, saying just 'kicking' could lead to the erroneous conclusion that you can punt for a field goal. Considering the rugby union article (which I based much of the article structure off of) doesn't specify it, I don't have a problem. Toa Nidhiki05 02:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. If it's OK then, I'm going to revert it to "kicking." Variations like drop kicks and tee kicks can be covered in the body. It might seem like a lot of noise over a single word, but the talk page suggests that it's been an issue before, so I wanted to make sure that there was a consensus. BTW, it looks like the two of you have been active in maintaining this page. I mentioned on the talk page that this would take a lot of thought, and that's how it goes when the page is already in good shape. It's easy to work with a page that's a mess: Everything needs changed, so there are few decisions to make. A page like this is much trickier, and that speaks to the quality of work that's gone into it. Dementia13 (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


I notice your revert at Warangal. Are we on the right track here? This is clearly a reinstatement of material that was previously removed, aside from the excessive addition of images. It is quite likely that I was the one who removed it but I'm not delving around the history right now.

I am happy to start a discussion on the article talk page but this article has in the past attracted people that, for want of a better phrase, might as well be working for the local tourist board. There is a significant difference between content relating to the administrative area in which Warangal lies (the "district", in Indian admin terms) and the city itself. Districts in India often share the same name as their principal town/city, and there are hundreds, if not thousands, of them. For example, the Thousand Piller Temple (sic) is located in a completely different city within the district and that city has its own article, as does the district.

The recent additions are also clear POV and, unless we trawl back through the history, they are effectively unsourced. Some also look suspiciously like copyright violations but that is a gut instinct based on past involvement with articles such as this (Moonriddengirl approves gut instinct, which rather surprised me at the time!) My gut instinct also tells me that this is a sock but SPI will never link IPs to accounts. - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

My revert was a simple technical one: there was a duplication of the {{reflist}} tag (well, one reflist and one <references />), and there was an addition of "Refere book, Bathukamma Panduga Patalu Mariyu Sampradhayalu by Thatikonda Vishnu Murthy, Akunoor, Warangal Dist., AP" into the references section. I didn't look any further into the article than that. —C.Fred (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Looks like I will have to take it to the talk page. Somewhere there is guidance regarding article focus - I need to remember where that is before I get involved in what is likely to become a fractious discussion or a bout of edit warring. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


Fred, with all do respect, if you feel a page for the Anderson university police dept is not "notable", you need to delete Butler University's dept page also. I will create the page in a sandbox and introduce it again. I will contest any further deletions using that reasoning. Butler is another private university with an active police agency. Irishfan2005 (talk) 01:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Other stuff exists. I'd have to look at content about the AUPD before I passed judgment on whether it's notable or not. However, I think it's a steep hurdle for a campus police department to be notable.
That said, both times I deleted the article on Anderson's page, it was under CSD A3: an article with no content, other than a rephrasing of the article title. —C.Fred (talk) 02:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Less than 30% of all private universities with 2,500 students have their own armed police departments [1], so I feel it is a notable feature. And yes, other stuff exists, but I would ask a review of that page if this one is contested. I will add that information to the main campus page and not create a separate one. But, the initial reason why I tried to make this page was due to the Butler U. page that I found. Irishfan2005 (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Seth Sherman

You deleted a page that I would like to continue to build. I would like to add a bio and catalog for the artist Seth Sherman. Cheers, Drew21:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drewwerddrew (talkcontribs)

Make sure he meets WP:NMUSIC; otherwise, the article will be deleted again. You may want to start by improving the draft of the article at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Seth Sherman. —C.Fred (talk) 01:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

re: Stanlee College of Art speedy nom

How dare you say that about User:RipRat... he'd never rip off sources like that. BipBat (talk) 03:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Add article angels social network

Angels Social Network is an online social network that connects its users from all over the world in a very simple way.

Angels Social Network was created in November 2012 by Shonik Raj and by last days of November it was launched for public and Internet users.This Social Network Started its work recently and have very few members.The site completed its first 1000 users on Jan 2013.Angels Social Network has currently more than 2200 registered users.Angels Social Network was created in India and its servers are located in US.


Angels Social Network was created by Shonik Raj a 15 years old student who studies in school,lives in India.He started his work from June and still working on his social network.Shonik thought to create a simple and very small social network to connect people in a simple way.Currently he is studying in a school in Pathankot and working on his network.And the best part is that his network is a non profit social network and he works alone his network and handle it.Currently his site is famous in North America,Europe and some parts of Africa and Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShubhamKatoch (talkcontribs) 16:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

You'll need to come up with some reliable sources to show that this social network is significant per the guidelines at WP:WEB. Right now, that isn't demonstrated. I'll be commenting to that effect at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Angels Social Network. —C.Fred (talk) 16:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I really dont understand your point.How can publish this article on wikipedia? If it needs correction you can correct it its no problem for me.Or you can write this article in your own words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShubhamKatoch (talkcontribs) 16:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Need help dealing with (rpa) at User:

As a seasoned user, can you submit a block request for the above abuser? --Rangeblock victim (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

As an admin, consider this your block request being declined. I don't see recent conduct that warrants it. Further, please do not direct personal attacks toward other users. —C.Fred (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I will tone down the foul language towards this idiot. But may I ask you that you consider putting his/her contributions on a watchlist? If the destruction continues, he/she should be banished! --Rangeblock victim (talk) 17:28, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Thankfully, your colleague, User:Killiondude blocked him. Will you still keep an eye on him after the 72 hour block expires? Cheers! --Rangeblock victim (talk) 17:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

User adamant on not improving the article

User:Merenjith is removing all my attempts to improve the article Kunchacko Boban and continues his edit warring. he doesn't show the courtesy of coming to the talk page even after repeated warning. He hurls terms like longstanding sourced material in his edit summaries, even though the content he adds is neither longstanding not sourced. JK (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, he'll have to wait 31 hours before he can do anything further to the article or come to the talk page: I've blocked him for edit warring. —C.Fred (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Whats happening in Kunchacko Boban unfortunately is persistent sock puppetry. I've requested a sockpuppet investigation involving User:Merenjith here. The editor is neither ready to present sources to statements like "Once he even admitted that he got letters written with blood during this period from his lady admirers", 'Niram was a rage among the colleges in Kerala and through this movie', 'he attained the title chocolate hero among youngsters, Kunchacko's performance was half-charged' etc, nor ready to come to the talkpage. JK (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Ana Ivanovic

Sorry, it was a test and I should have self-reveted. Neutral Fair Guy (talk) 20:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013

User JK is removing the source from article Kunchacko Boban. However, this same user, has recently edited the page of actor Dileep by calling him a successful contemporary lead actors of Malayalam cinema after Mohanlal and Mammootty.proof[1], [2] IS THIS IS NOT A blatant violation of WP:3RR.

I think User:TheRedPenOfDoom have multiple accounts. here proof[3].

I have been using Wiki as a good source of information to learn about lot of things that are not otherwise readily accessible. Kunchacko Boban is one page where I have made quite some contributions alongside several others with correct, relevant, unbiased and true information.

Thank you. Merenjith (talk). 15:32, 3 April 2013‎ (UTC)

You and JK are involved in a content dispute. His edits are not vandalism (nor are yours), so the exception to 3RR does not apply. You must discuss the matter at the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 15:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


I made the mistake of trying to correct some of the mangled English at Selena Gomez, so I'm technically "involved". If I wasn't, I'd be blocking Geelove13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) for edit warring over whether the mother is Italian, semiItalian, Italianish, or whateverpeople want to call her.—Kww(talk) 00:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that the account wasn't only edit warring, it was socking. I don't feel any qualms about blocking based on that.—Kww(talk) 00:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Carol Bachofner

Thanks for cleaning things up. The darn irony is that by tagging the leftover redirect for speedy deletion, it made it impossible for a non-admin to move it back. Sign. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Shroud of Turin

Hi, Up to April 9 Shroud of Turin was permanently semi-protected, for obvious reasons. It was then fully protected for 48 hours to avoid an edit war. Somehow when that full protection ended the semi-protection fell off along with it. Could you semi-protect it again please? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 05:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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Look Here

Dear bro,

I am quite new to Wikipedia (i have joined only 3-4 months before). I am a Indian citizen and a school going kid reading in class 10th in B.J.E.M School. I don't know much English, My mother-tongue is Oriya.

Today i saw that my uploaded file, File:Windows 8.1 Build 9374 screenshot with proof of the installation setup and original signature.png, has been listed in Wikipedia:Files for deletion I CAN'T GET WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY HERE.

I would be very happy if you get me know what is this.

Thanks  Himanis Das   talk  05:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

My first worry was that we can't have an image of Windows 8.1 on our site, at all, until the software is released. That's been cleared up.
My concern now is whether the reader really gains anything by looking at the picture, other than some general look and feel of the new product. What does it add, having the picture? What does the reader learn that they couldn't from just words? —C.Fred (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ulladulla High School

G'day, Thanks for your efforts on Ulladulla High School. I wonder if their are BLP issues here too. After all these people are all young and haven't yet been notable in any way other than getting higher scores. Perhaps some privacy is appropriate. I think our correspondent is getting close to 3R — as am I! Cheers Gillyweed (talk) 06:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


As u said that no one will gain anything on changing that picture, Ok but now will i change the image ??  Himanis Das   talk  09:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

What sort of image are you thinking of? —C.Fred (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Star Trek

Hi C.Fred, I understand you may not like what I added in, but rather then simply deleting it, why not correct it if you feel I posted something wrong. And yes, before you comment, I have extensive star trek knowledge and the mistakes in the movie are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordan Leyoub (talkcontribs) 03:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Star Trek

First of all, because I have yet to link the page (I AM new at doing this), that does NOT mean what I posted is incorrect. AS an example, the part about kirk being born on the ship instead of Iowa like he was supposed to be, is actualy in the link for james t. kirk right here on wikipedea. I simply have not yet learned how to link that Wikipedia page to this one as a reference. Again, that does not invalidate what I added, and if I would stop having people removing it, perhaps I would be able to find out how exacaly to link it and reference it.

Rather then saying "No no, don't post that!" maybe some help with how to fix it and post it correctly would be MORE usefull.

Sorry in advance for the rant, but I don't go around deleteing what other people add in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordan Leyoub (talkcontribs) 04:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

your quantonics speedy delete

Quantonics is notable and not any more unambiguously promotional than many of the belief systems presented like mainstream religions' belief systems, or cults' belief systems or what maybe Higgs said about the likely existence of the boson before anyone took him seriously, know what I mean? The Beatles were turned down all over town before people got it. Let's not omit from the Wikipedia cutting edge theory like Quantonics. That would set a bad precedent. We should recognize that this is not a quack but a well researched and sustained devotion to explaining a complex theoretical construction. How is that bad for this encyclopedia? Thank you. -- (talk) 03:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Nancy Atherton

C.Fred, I noticed you WP:Reverted what appeared to have been a good faith edit of this article. I think WP:Undo with an explanation in the edit summary would have been perceived as less harsh. I'm not questioning the result (I assume that a subcategory was included in the category), only the way you went about it. Some editors are sensitive on the issue. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 01:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The issue is it was a bulk edit: the IP added the category to over 100 articles. That's why I went for the revert. There was an edit summary on the first article I found, Charlotte Armstrong.(diff) —C.Fred (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Obviously, I was completely ignorant of that. No disrespect intended. 7&6=thirteen () 01:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
You have removed the "American novelist" category on one page I've found so far, ignoring the discussion on the "Category: American novelists" talk page (not to mention media controversy). People are fixing this problem. Please don't revert these. Avt tor (talk) 17:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, what Avt tor said. You wrote: "don't need parent cat since she's already in subcat"--but the category isn't set up that way. A large number of female authors were removed (apparently by a single Wikipedian) from the main category, while leaving the male authors in place. So those of us who are re-adding the parent category are fixing something that someone did wrong. --Elysdir (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
You are aware, I hope, that a vast number of women writers were deleted from category: American novelists, and that this has been pointed out as sexism in Wikipedia in the New York Times, among other places? You seem to be reverting edits to the articles of some women writers that have done to put the (correct) category back onto the articles. If you wish to do this, please note that you will be antagonizing a lot of people who are currently discussing this and attempting to build consensus on Category talk:American novelists and on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 24. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 18:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Given that the editor adding the category didn't use an edit summary, I stand by my reverts. I also stand by my comments in the CfD, once I became aware of it, and my decision to step away from the category additions and deletions. If consensus is to merge, a bot will handle it within a week's time. —C.Fred (talk) 23:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, the irresponsible article in the NYT has created a lot of silly drama. The author should have first made some effort to understand how Wikipedia categorisation, before using her powerful platform to incite people to start changing things.

This has led to a lot of hot air based on a mistaken understanding of how WP categories work. For example, it is quite wrong of Geoffrey.landis to say women writers were deleted from category: American novelists. They were not deleted from the category: they were moved to a sub-category.

The NYT article claims that Male novelists on Wikipedia, however — no matter how small or obscure they are — all get to be in the category “American Novelists.” Again, not true. They are there only if they have not been diffused to other sub-categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Tracy Anderson

Hi there, I added the Food Program external link to Tracy's page since it contains important information regarding her approach to fitness, nutrition and wellness that her audience finds valuable. Can you please allow it?

Sorry, it runs afoul of WP:LINKSTOAVOID #5: "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising." —C.Fred (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Further question on Category:American women novelists

Do you want to upmerge Category:American women novelsits to Category:American women writers and Category:Women novelists, or do you want to merge all women writers categories out of existence?John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

The Center Line: Spring 2013

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EdwardsBot (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion on Jros83

Hello. On Jros83's talk page, you can see in the history, he made yet another response that doesn't appear to be in good faith. I feel as though he isn't trying to help Wikipedia, but rather condescendingly criticize anybody whose view differs. Take a look at his contributions. Yes, we're all, especially me, guilty of getting upset over things and acting in bad faith such as this, and getting personal as I probably am now, but it is a continual thing. Should administrative action be taken here, or am I simply not able to see this clearly because of my obvious bias towards this? Thank you, I truly do value your opinion ChaseAm (talk) 04:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Please cease your witchhunt, Chase. I had 1 (ONE!) run-in with you and that is it. Please let it go, as it has been resolved. Also, be mindful off who you enlist for aid (Benlisquare) as they may not be the model of integrity. Jersey John (talk) 01:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Fred

Bringing this to your attention because you've had some experience with this. I feel user ChaseAM is on some sort of "witchhunt" if you will concerning me. He/she is also currently trying to enlist user Benlisquare in their antics. That's particuarly malicious because Benlisquare is not the model of integrity, as well, Benlisquare posted private information he gathered about me in an article's talk page, info he gathered from having a better knowledge of searching someone's IP than I have apparently.

So in light of Chase's impending witchhunt, and the fact that he is trying to enlist the aid of a serious troublemaker, I am interested in and eager for some sort of firm resolution to this issue. I'm cluless as to how to go about it as I have never had this problem in the years I have been using Wikipedia. Thank you in advance! Jersey John (talk) 01:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

While we're at it, Jros83, could you stop leaving your nonsense on my talkpage? Eik Corell (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
This does not concern you, and I have notleft anything on your page since the World of Tanks issue was resolved. Jersey John (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
What is this[4] then? Eik Corell (talk) 03:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
A separate issue? Look Eik, I realize you have a grievance with me, but don't get roped in by Chase's antics, nor piggyback off of it. Please? I apologize here and now for any hassle I gave you considering WoT. Please have a little more decency than to see Chase's crusade as a means to get back at me for any perceived sleight. Jersey John (talk) 04:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
If you want to discuss it further, we can do so on our talk pages. I feel bad enough clogging up Fred's talk page such as I have so far.Jersey John (talk) 04:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Benlisquare

You DO realize Benlisquare is using Wikipedia for malicious attacks against other users, yes? Why do I get the feeling I am not getting a fair shake here? Jersey John (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't realize that. I was about to check his contribution history since you mentioned it. If you could provide a diff to one of those alleged attacks, that will speed the process up. —C.Fred (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Right. Will do. Jersey John (talk)

Also, I notice Chase is digging into my history and contacting other editors for the express purpose of persecuting me. This whole situation is silly. I just want it done with. Check Chase's talk page to see what I mean. Jersey John (talk) 03:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks like simple searches based on username. It may be poor form to bring up cross-site behaviour, but it's not an invasion of privacy to search for your username on other sites. —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I recently realized that is what it was, and you're correct, it's not an invasion. But you're also correct that it is in poor form, and that seems to be the overriding issue here. Poor form on my part initially with hassling Chase for having removed my comment, despite the fact that he is soverign over his own talk page; poor form for Chase to make a mountain out of a mole hill; poor form for chase to contact someone like Benlisquare for aid; poor form for Chase to go to Eik's page and do the same thing... You hit the nail on the head! this has been nothing buit a string of "poor form" and despite that I extended a genuine olive branch to Chase and am trying to be cooperative here. Now I'd simply like to be divested of this issue. If there's no official action pending against me I'd like to be on my way... Jersey John (talk) 03:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

(and when you put this in perspective that it all started because Chase thought my telling someone that they were falling for a troll was not in good faith or something similiar... That's all it took to start all this nonsense?)

Photo consensus discussion at Talk:Mark Millar

Hi. Can you offer your opinion regarding an Infobox photo here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Jyoti Mirdha

Hi C. Fred, I have to agree with your revert on this page, since it is unreferenced BLP info. But there is also a political section that is totally unreferenced. If we remove that section, then the article becomes rather pointless. Your opinions? Cheers. Arctic Kangaroo 03:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the long block of text about politics is just as subject to removal, especially as I read some of the tone of it. —C.Fred (talk) 03:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
(no talkback needed for this discussion) What about restoring the deleted text and leaving the remaining text alone, then we just add a tag to say that more refs are needed? As mentioned earlier, if we remove the "Politic" text, then the article is pointless. Unless it can be speedied. Cheers. Arctic Kangaroo 03:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
The issue with the block of text I deleted is the negative allegations in the text. That's a lot harder to justify under BLP: all material in a BLP should be sourced, but the more it casts negative aspersions, the more imperative sourcing is. —C.Fred (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Noted. :) Arctic Kangaroo 01:34, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW, your userpage has a userbox that says This user is owned by a Dachshund.. That userbox is popping out of the userbox column. Probably you want to fix it? Arctic Kangaroo 01:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Nope, that's an intentional dachshund joke. —C.Fred (talk) 01:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I mean...the length or width or something of the userbox. Arctic Kangaroo 01:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
It's a dachshund userbox. And it's longer than you'd think it should be. QED :) —C.Fred (talk) 01:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Nastja Ceh

hello my name is nastja ceh and i didn't removed things without the reason.....i have all the reasons to do that cause things are not true and i have all the proove about that!!!!!!!! if the things will come again i will sue somebody for that cause i lost already a lot of money cause of that bullshits on wikipedia...can be more than 500.000 ear and somebody will payed me this money back...soo pls dont put it anymore that on my wikipedia.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nakicceh (talkcontribs) 18:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Reply at your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 19:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

nastja ceh!!!!

hello C.Fred!!!

my name is nastja ceh and i removed all the things about what you or somebody put on my site..... please respect me cause 95% of the things are not true and i have prove for that.. im loosing with that stupid things a lot of money cause everybody check wikipedia..i lost a lot already because of this article so please removed from the site.

thx and wish you good luck Nastja Ceh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nakicceh (talkcontribs) 19:09, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

i m not like i want to threat to you but is painfull for me cause i know that i m loosing a lot cause of that... i want to cooperate always and i m ready for that...pls do that for me ...can you??????

Nastja CEH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nakicceh (talkcontribs) 19:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

You are probably right, I a bit new to Wiki. Thanks for your input. CoboEsq (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)HCE


sorry i didnt finished my comments ending by Nakicceh (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC) i m waiting for an answer if somebody or you can help me not to put that anymore on my site please Nakicceh (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Again, I've replied to your talk page and advised you to discuss at Talk:Nastja Čeh. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Victorious Is Still in Production

Okay, I understand you reverting everything else back to what it was before, but Victorious is still in production so please change 2010-2013 to 2010-present again please. Thank You. Kamran Mackey (talk) 02:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Victorious is not still in production. The last episode aired in February. —C.Fred (talk) 02:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
    • I don't believe you, because I actually called Nickelodeon and I asked them myself if Victorious is still in production. They said yes. Don't say something when it's not even true.
      • There are multiple reliable sources cited in the Victorious article that state otherwise. —C.Fred (talk) 02:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Fred, thank you for your polite reply. I take the point you make re validation Brian Brendan Wright's nick name " The Milkman. " However using those rules, where have you seen verified the wrong explanation of this name ? " He always delivered. " Wright had his nick name way back in the late 60's. Customs quote the reason for this in the 1990's. How can a guess made by these people be accepted ? There is no validation or proof. It is like me saying you are called C Fred, because you always " see " the big picture. I read so many mistakes that are made in various Wikipedia pages. Most can only be word of mouth as I know they aren't true. Yet I KNOW the true reason of Wright's nick name as told to me by the man himself, we were only laughing about it last weekend on a visit to Whitemoor prison. I am not saying that should make this acceptable, but how is all the mis-information accepted when there can't be validation as it simply isn't true ? Thanks for your time in this. Rushcrew (talk) 07:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Since it's not backed by a reliable source, I've removed the nickname outright. —C.Fred (talk) 16:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Fred, much easier to talk to you when you are not only polite, but very clear with your explanation. I had to smile when I read your reply. Not what I wanted but totally fair. At least the false reason isn't out there anymore, and all the people who know Brian are aware of both the nick name, and the cause of it. I will not attempt to reinstate it unless I find a way I know you will approve of. I guess that means we won't be communicating any more, no doubt you will be glad. However,as you have been so engaging in our recent chats, I can say it was a pleasure. (Rushcrew (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Article about This is How we Fly

~ ~ ~ ~ Hello! I tried to add the band "This is How we Fly," the musician Caoimhín ó raghallaigh's Wiki Page, as it occupies a large portion of his business. The band starts to become a significant element in the Irish music scene and I find an article about the band should be in place. ~ ~ ~ ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playingwithmusic (talkcontribs) 12:21, 6 May 2013‎ (UTC)

The problem is, there's no evidence that the band has become a significant band. You'll need to provide multiple reliable sources that have given coverage to the band. See WP:BAND and WP:GNG for more guidance on the threshold of notability: any subject that is not notable should not have an article. —C.Fred (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry issue visible on Talk:Nicole Amber Moore ( NoveaStar)

Hi there! I have a suspision that the IP addresses are sockpuppets of the creator, should I report them or let them be. Notice how both IP's are contesting for the same reason(s)? Thanks PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 03:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

If I create accounts, do administrators know my ip address? How to know my ip address if I create accounts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 22:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

IP addresses aren't visible to administrators. However, if an account is blocked, then the IP that used it is automatically blocked as a result. Further, if there's suspected abuse of multiple accounts, a special sort of administrator (a "checkuser") can see the IP addresses of accounts.
The one other way your IP address could get revealed is if you edit by accident without logging in. —C.Fred (talk) 23:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: BenBoard awards revisited

C.Fred, I'm sorry for posting the results of my music awards on the Wiki pages of Ariana Grande, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne and Justin Timberlake. I was not aware that free websites were not notable enough to be posted on these pages. I will not post any more like this on celebrities' pages. Best, bbernier33 (BenBoardMusic) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbernier33 (talkcontribs) 23:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello C.Fred I am writing to inform you that Seagate is not a police dept, it is a public safety agency as per new state department of criminal justice service. You can call yourself to verify this information. I have the number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Johnson SI (talkcontribs) 03:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a published reliable source to verify? Given that their print information says police, or more inclined to believe that than what you claim to have gotten over a phone call. —C.Fred (talk) 03:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


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In answer to your query, he's in amateur operatics. A good company, but not article level yet. Peridon (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

There is NO CONFLICT of interest.

Do not delete. Yes, I added a source relevant to a fact about me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmotofga (talkcontribs) 09:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

If it is about you, then by definition, you have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Delete Please.

Regarding the Andrew Lancel page, however this information is highly libellious, and this is going against the living persons section of Wikipedias rules and regulations, therefore please delete this information. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carstian (talkcontribs) 19:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


My apologies. I presumed that since both users had agreed to go to Request for Comment for content dispute resolution and that several uninvolved editors had already concurred that there was no actionable violation involved that it was appropriate to close the discussion as there was nothing else that could be done at WP:ANI. I apologise if this decision was erroneous or if it was implemented improperly. DrPhen (talk) 03:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

World Medical Association

Dear C. Fred, I'm writing in reply to the conversation you started in my talk page. I confirm to you that I have a conflict of interest about the article World Medical Association, since I'm intern in that organization. I'm updating the article according to the Wikipedia principles of neutrality. Tomorrow I will add to the page third parties links to make the page more "stronger" in its credibility. Please, advice me if I need to do anything more. Thank you for your availability. Best regards, Agostinho Sousa Agostinho.Sousa (talk) 18:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


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VQuakr (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Katy perry sales are wrong she sold 11 million albums and 75 singles according to wiki

what happened why you deleted this info ???????? what's going on (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

See response at Talk:Katy Perry. —C.Fred (talk) 02:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Katy perry sales are wrong she sold 11 million albums and 75 singles according to ABC news (talk) 14:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The source mentions nothing about album sales. It does say 75 million tracks sold; whether that's singles is probably something worth discussing at Talk:Katy Perry. —C.Fred (talk) 15:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

here is your proof

EMI record label Katy Perry's label said selling more than 74 million digital tracks and mobile products, and well over 10 million albums.

sooooo (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


Katy Perry's sales she sold 74 million singles A
EMI  her record label said it  

selling more than 74 million digital tracks and mobile products, and well over 10 million albums.

and that not the first time you change things and I said one time you have to put her ranks in forbes

katy perry maid 44$ million 2010 - 2011 forbes : magazine
katy perry made 45$ million 2011 - 2012 forbes : magazine

please just I am Ahuge fan of her and I just wanna know if you will change this mini lines (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Forgive me for being blunt, but I will not discuss edits to the Katy Perry article any more on my talk page. I will only discuss such matter at Talk:Katy Perry. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Diana Rigg

Hello C.Fred, Many apologies for my editing mistakes - I was trying to add information not delete. I'm new to Wikpedia editing and got rather mixed up. I hope I've restored everything ok. I should have given reasons for the edit - it was some further information. I'm a life-long Diana Rigg fan and deleted a section in error - when trying improve - I put the television and film sections in the wrong order - and was trying to get them back in correct order and lost my copy of the section - I'm so sorry. Thank you for your kind understanding :) Many apologies again. Very best wishes, Emma Mrs emma peel.qos (talk) 05:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs emma peel.qos (talkcontribs) 04:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Newcomers are allowed to make mistakes 'Mrs Peel'! I apologise for my own loss of 'good faith'. Please continue to edit Wikipedia. Face-smile.svg -- 220 of Borg 05:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


Checking back with you on BEAR. It's going on one month.Portal123 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

In absence of comments from others, I've made the change I described. —C.Fred (talk) 00:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I Goofed

I am sorry about my mistake on tagging the Tamboclass user page as if it were an article for speedy deletion. I have tagged articles for speedy deletion in the past. I do know not to tag a user page and should have realized that. I simply was not diligent enough to notice that it was a user page, not an article. I really goofed on that one. I will be more alert. I also will apologize to the user. Donner60 (talk) 22:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I left this message for User:Tamboclass: "I apologize for tagging your user page for speedy deletion because it had no context. I looked at it, thought it was a one sentence article which did not seem to mean much of anything, so I tagged it. Of course, the speedy deletion request was declined because the page is your user page, not an article. You can put whatever (within the bounds of decency, I believe) you want on your user page. It need not have any context to anyone but you. I know that but I simply did not notice it was a user page. I should have done better. Please take the opening welcome to wikipedia to heart. If you have a question, I will try to say or do something useful in reply. I hope your further experience with wikipedia will be good and, again, I apologize." Donner60 (talk) 01:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I teach machine technology. A fundamental concept students have trouble with is a geometric radius. The length of a radius is used in many places in the design and drawing of mechanical devices to define the required curve without the the need for the curve being closed or otherwise forming a circle. I believe all users of Wikipedia wishing to understand what a radius is would be better served if they were given the following fundamental definition: radius is the two-dimensional, straight-line distance from the center of an arc to the arc. An arc should be defined as a two-dimensional curve with all points on the curve being equal-distance from a single point. An alternate definition of radius would be: radius is the straight-line distance from the center of an arc to the arc with the center point and all points of the curve lying in a single plane.

Sideline note: I was privileged to use a Computer Aided Manufacturing program (SmartCAM) in the 1990's which had a user interface for geometric construction similar to CAD which did not offer circle as a geometric shape. The user picked Arc and proceeded to define the arc by giving center location, radius length and degrees. When a circle was desired the degrees were 360.Chipmaker45 (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


Dude im not in an edit war BlackDragon 16:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Technically, you are, by continuing to revert instead of discussing. Further, three reverts ([5] [6] [7]) butts you right up against the bright line of WP:3RR. —C.Fred (talk) 17:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Butts me??? Dude im not in War?? I dont need to discuss before adding. BlackDragon 17:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

True, you can make a bold edit. However, if it's reverted, then you need to discuss. WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is a great essay on the subject. —C.Fred (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Please stop "wiki" talking, its annoying and I dont need to discuss, im a Wiki: Dragon... but seriously I dont know what your talking about Im not "warring" BlackDragon 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Gashty Woman

Hi, If you don't mind me asking on-Wiki, who is Gashty Woman (talk · contribs) the latest sockpuppet of? I was keeping an eye on "her" editing as there were some similarities with that of Top Gun (talk · contribs) (also a persistent sock puppeteer who I've had to block multiple times). We might be both chasing the same person under different initial user names. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 02:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the page names of the moves and the MO, I'd say Grawp. —C.Fred (talk) 03:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - I didn't spot those deleted page moves. I don't think that Top Gun is Grawp. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Cash Cash Talk

Just wanted to say thanks for your help. I really appreciate every little bit of help I'm getting with regards to making this page accurate. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

possible to restore the article?

Hello! I am beginner in add articles. Yesterday you deleted 2 of my article - Elena Efimova, Nadejda Zaslavskaya. Is it possible to recover them? I think that the reason is not correct (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject). Because these two people are very well known and respected in the field of Russian law. Articles written by professors of Moscow State University, they do not have false facts.What do I need to add them again? Sorry for the mistakes, I do not know much English. Sincerely, Anna. AnnaParfireva (talk) 14:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

There may be a translation issue. It looked like the articles were about students (candidates for a degree) rather than professors. Even so, not every professor is notable, so creating three or four articles at a time made them look less notable.
I would focus on finding sources written about Efimova and the others that are written by sources outside the university. That's one measure of notability, is whether the person is important enough that secondary sources—journalists and scholars outside their own school—have written about them. —C.Fred (talk) 16:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Ariana Grande

You might want to consider either semi-protection or pending changes. Too much vandalism and addition of unsourced content as of late. — Confession0791 talk 17:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

how to upload Jordan Older image?

Thanks for your time on my article regarding Jordan Older. I can promise you it is all 100% factual and honest. How can I properly upload the image so it won't get deleted? Fussballspieler11 (talk) 03:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)'ll need to find another image. Wikimedia Commons does not allow any non-free images to be uploaded. Wikipedia allows non-free images to be uploaded but under strict conditions, and one of those is that a free image cannot otherwise be obtained. Since Jordan Older is alive, it is possible for a free image to be taken of him. Thus, non-free images of Older cannot be used in the article. Non-free images include photos taken at games by wire services; photos from programs, rosters, media guides, or team websites; photos from newspaper or magazine articles; and photos from the subject's website or Facebook profile (unless the images are clearly labeled as being under a free license). —C.Fred (talk) 03:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Can I email him and ask him for permission to use it? How would that be done? Fussballspieler11 (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
WP:Donating copyrighted materials has details on the process. Note that it's not necessarily Older that you need to ask to donate the image. You have to ask the owner of the image, which may be the original photographer or the organization for whom the photo was taken. —C.Fred (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I got it from his Facebook profile, can I ask him to post on his Facebook profile that it is a free image that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Fussballspieler11 (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
He'd need to specify what license it's under; CC-BY-SA 3.0 is usually good. —C.Fred (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll see what I can do. Then can I undelete it or do I have to re-upload it? I don't want to bother you too much, but I read your comment about the use of bold. I'm reading and it's quite long. Can you give me some quick tips on what to do so you can remove the "cleanup" warning from the article? Should I just remove all the bold in the article except for his name? I like to use the bold to make some of the main points stand out. Let me know if its not too much trouble. You have been very helpful. Thanks again! Fussballspieler11 (talk) 03:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Derek Acorah

Hi - I note your removal of my edit to the Derek Acorah Wikipedia page. I have not removed the item of controversy but have shortened it somewhat. My reason for doing this is that the ONE occasion where the above has been accused of fakery it is shrouded with intrigue. The facts surrounding the accusation are covered by a legal contractual confidentiality agreement and so Mr. Acorah has never been able to answer these accusations himself. Most Haunted was a heavily edited entertainment programme. Ciaran O'Keeffe was not the person who devised the alleged "test" (as confirmed by Yvette Fielding in this months "Haunted" digital magazine) but it was the work of another person. It was common for people to be scripted during the making of the programme even though this fact was not known to the viewing public. Mr. Acorah was merely following instructions but of course this fact was used against him when he gave in his notice to Living Television 12 months prior to his actual leaving of the programme. This matter took place eight years ago and has been used constantly by the Most Haunted programme makers in an effort to ruin his career. Although the fact cannot be taken away, I think short mention rather than extended coverage should be used on Wikipedia especially in the light of the current legal climate. Mr. Acorah conducts theatre demonstrations on more than 100 occasions each year and has done for over 20 years. He has made numerous television programmes with different productions companies. Never once has anybody ever accused him of cheating. This is one isolated incident where people are still determined after all this time to attempt to ruin him. It is no coincidence that since Mr. Acorah's leaving of the Most Haunted programme in 2005 the viewing figures dropped dramatically and continued to do so until the programme's demise almost three years ago.

Gwen Acorah (talk) 09:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for moderating my article


I've supplied 3 or 4 reputable, 3rd party references proving notability according to Association Football notability.

One should be enough right?

  • 1))

- reference 7 lists the USL Pro Soccer League (USL 1 or 2) where the subject played 4 games in 2003, these are not the biggest leagues in the USA but they are listed as fully professional at

  • 2))- reference 1 lists 3 teams in the Paulista Serie A and 1 team in the Brazilian Serie A, these are THE biggest leagues in Brazil and are listed as fully professional at

  • 3)) - reference 3 lists that the subject played professionally in Brazil and Europe and so much so that he is able to orchestrate player transfers of local kids into the German Bundesliga

  • 4)) the official Sao Paulo FC fan site/blog from 1999 lists the same 3 teams as the Futebol Interior feature article, which I found on the first page of Futebol Interior, it would be hard to fake exactly matching facts between an article in 1999 and one in 2013, showing that the player played in the big leagues in Brazil, correct?

- reference 1 lists 3 teams in the Paulista Serie A and 1 team in the Brazilian Serie A, these are THE biggest leagues in Brazil and are listed as fully professional at

- it also lists him as playing along site Sao Paulo FC star defender in Wilson

I've also read that the subject has been subject to a hostile take over of his film festival so I think that this may be the reason for the high amount of attention for a notable but not super famous soccer player. It may be, not saying that it is, an attempt to smear his reputation by those who attempted the hostile takeover.

I found this press release:

And this article, both outlining the hostile conflict with another group trying to take over his film festival business:

For this reason I think that my article should have special consideration and be protected, if there is a feature for that on Wikipedia, or else these "flames" will continue forever. They have already been going on since 2007, which is about the time that the hostile takeover attempt started, according to the press release and reports.

My other logic for thinking these "flames" as frivilous is that there are literally thousands of other less notable, far less notable, American soccer players with existing articles on Wikipedia who have played in lower leagues, never played in the big leagues in Brazil, never went to Team USA training camp, etc.... just far less notable, and far less attention/contention. I think that by definition, the high attention to my article proves that the subject is famous and notable OR the recipient of a corporate smear campaign (or somehting elese?)

Another point I want to make is that it's not just the achievments of the subject in soccer, its the time when he did it. He started playing in Europe in 1993 and Brazil in 1994 when literally almost no Americans were doing it. There were probably less than 5 Americans starting for teams in 1993 in Europe. He's a true pioneer and notable for this reason. But you might have to be a soccer fan to understand this.

The subject should also be notable based on having founded and directed the largest film festival in Ventura County hosting Academy Award winning stars, but I want this to be a secondary emphasis. The fact that he played soccer professionally in Europe and Brazil and the USA AND does the film festival is rare and special in itself and is proven by the many feature articles like the one in Surfe Magazine and the VC Star.

I'm just trying to make sense of all this and maybe you can help. Thanks again for the Wikipedia ettiquite tips and mini-lessons on things like my signature. I would never have learned that without your help!

Fussballspieler11 (talk) 05:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Also on the subject's Facebook you can read old newspaper clippings listing other 1st division teams in other countries in Europe and other teams in Brazil and other international tournaments as well as other USL teams. I've been able to get them listed under the same license that you recommended. You can take a look at under the oldies photo album. They may not be usable as a reference but they may satisfy your curiousity as to if the subject is legitimate. You can also see pictures of the subject with Pele and with David Beckham on his Facebook page. Fussballspieler11 (talk) 05:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

  • NOTE this page was tampered with and changed today or yesterday and changes so that my links above don't go directly to the USL Pro Leagues anymore, but the USL Pro Leagues and the Brazil leagues, in which the subject is proven to have played, are still listed as fully professional.

They are really playing dirty now by deleting and changing my links. Fussballspieler11 (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

They aren't necessarily playing dirty, though hopefully they've explained somewhere the reason for the changes. —C.Fred (talk) 18:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
You're correct, the leagues that my subject played in, ALL OF THEM -> Brazil A, Paulista A, USL Pro (1/2) are all still listed however, it just makes some of my links not go to the right place. It's at least a convenient coincidence for the detractors of my article and subject's notability and reputation. Thanks again for the guiding light.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 20:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)'

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View (previous 500 | next 500) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500) Fussballspieler11 (talk) 20:03, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Are news paper clippings from before the time of the Internet able to be used as references?

I have some newspaper clippings from the subject that I can upload under the terms of service that you suggested for his image. Are these clippings able to be used as evidence/references? They never appeared online because the newspapers weren't online at the time and don't provide online microfiche.

Are microfiche scans from the newspapers considered valid references? I might be able to get them. 'Fussballspieler11 (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)'

(talk page stalker)Always remember: a reference need not be online to be a valid reference, as long as it's well enough sourced to be verifiable: publication, date, author, page, etc. Scans of newspaper clippings are generally copyright violations; ditto scans of microform reprints. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

GiantSnowman just delete my comments on my articles deletion page...

I just posted a very important comment and GiantSnowman deleted them. This is not ok with me and doesn't seem fair for him to decide on what I get to write.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

How do I get them back? My post was important to my defense and he went ahead and just deleted it.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Hello. Please participate in the current discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GiantSnowman 22:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I mentioned you in a complaint about Giantsnowman

I've made a complaint already about GiantSnowman here:

Thank you for your time C.Fred. I am only notifying you because I read that the rules require I notify you if you are mentioned. The complaint is not about you.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

just remember

Just remember how many people are heavily and emotionally involved in deleting my article. It's beyond reason for over 20 people to even care about a nothing "amateur" soccer player with a film festival.

I am an award winning author and an experienced forum administrator so I know how this kind of anonymous proxy based computer politics goes. After 2-3 days of this I and several others know what is obvious and I'm done being bullied and defrauded. Thanks for your common sense at leastFussballspieler11 (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for assisting with the removal of vandalism on the TBTA Police article. GySgtHartman (talk) 15:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

this all seems silly to me because even GiantSnowman has admited that Jordan Older meets WP:NFOOTBALL

This all seems silly to me because even GiantSnowman has admited that Jordan Older meets WP:NFOOTBALL

About the other stuff. I didn't start with that line of discussion. It was the deleters who went down the path of "other stuff" initially by saying that, others are deleted all the time so yours can be too. here's what I wrote on that big ol' afd discussion page. Pasting here so you won't miss it.

—————→ C.Fred actually the deleters and maybe even an admin first started to list "the other stuff" WP:OTHERSTUFF by saying that there are plenty of "others" deleted all the time. So why should a logical person not be able to say THE SAME reason in response; well in that case there are literally "thousands" of "other stuff" American soccer articles with less notability kept all the time, most 90% American players with Wikipedia articles can't compare to my subject's experience and news media coverage. Further, the WP:OTHERSTUFF says that, while they aren't enough on it's own, the other stuff comparison CAN BE USEFUL: (and it was started by the deleters so its only fair that both sides can use the same kind of comparison)

"The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist; because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article (except for a salting, which is only performed in dire cases). While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this."


Also the deleters have already agreed that the subect meets notability by WP:NFOOTBALL the Admin: GiantSnowman has already gone on record agreeing to this. Some of the deleters have heavily criticized the validity of my editor reviewed references from 3rd party and well know newspapers but at the same time pulling up non-editor reviewed private/commercial web sites (that they may or may not own or run themselves) and telling everyone that we should trust these sources and if something "they want" isn't found in "their non-editor reviewed" blog that therefore they have found some smoking gun. So what you have here is a lot of circular logic and hypocrisy and simply admins deleting evidence when it doesn't suit their personal opinion. It doesn't sound terribly honest or fair. And to be the bigger man, and to avoid having to repeat the same obvious points day in and day out to people who say YOU can't do this, YOU can't use this kind of source, but I CAN, I've offered to delete my own article if the detractors will outline some specific reasons why WP:GNG is not satisfied (they already agreed that WP:NFOOTBALL is satisfied <--- I want to emphasize this). YOU can't talk about other stuff, but I CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER STUFF. Really bizarre thinking and seems dishonest to me. Again I just realized last night after logging off that their WP:RS is far less worthy and reliable and is not editor reviewed newspaper so it FAILS the WP:GNG rules clearly, but the deleters are using it as one of their main reasons for lack of football notability... are you following the problem here? It's circular logic combined with hypocrisy which means they are proving themsevles wrong by their own irrational reasoning. I'm going to paste this at the bottom so that it doesn't get lost up here in the mess of things and also to your talk page, just to be sure you get it C.Fred. Since you seem to be the only objective one here. Again I think its more than fair to take me up on my offer to have me delete my own page if the deleting side can list the specific things why my article's subject is not WP:GNG. Waiting on this.... Fussballspieler11 (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

More research finds...

Note: I just re-read WP:GNG it doesnt say that WP:NFOOTBALL is subservient to WP:GNG like GiantSnowman claimed. This is clearly his own opinion and not a fact.

  • WP:GNG clearly states and I quote:

"A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets the general notability guideline below, and is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.

A topic is also presumed notable if it meets the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right. "

—————→ The "also presumed notable" means that someone can be notable by a different set of rules, it doesn't say you have to follow the WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. It says someone can be notable just by the Notability Subject-specific guidelines which everyone agrees my subject passes by means of WP:NFOOTBALL.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 20:43, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

In either case, it's a presumption, not a guarantee, of notability. WP:Notability points out that editors ultimately decide the notability of each article taking into account GNG and subject-specific guidelines. So it's very possible that the subject meets the guidelines at WP:NFOOTBALL, but a consensus of editors, after reviewing the available reliable secondary sources, feel that the subject is not actually notable. —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

* True, it's much like a soccer game. The referee can red card (eject) anyone and referees often make huge mistakes. It clearly says that Wikipedia is up to the consensus of the editors and admins.
* But there is a catch here that you should be aware of:
  • 1) GiantSnowman allready admited that my subject →is worthy of NFOOTBALL notability← (so did many other editors)
  • 2) Now GiantSnowman, seemingly just to win the deletion of my article, is arguing that he can't understand the meaning of the world "OR" (see the Afd)
He actually pasted the rules to me, then he clearly made a huge error in interpretation. They say:

either WP:GNG "or" WP:NFOOTBALL qualify (or both) and now GiantSnowman has caught himself in a debate checkmate where he's trying to deny the meaning of the word or, or just simply lie about what the rules say. This is not ok and this guy is out of line and/or incompetent. The bad part is that he's misleading others and harming my subjects reputation because all his comments are public.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 21:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Now what?

Now that he's been caught he's being nasty and threatening to ban me on my talk page, just because I caught him in a lie.

I would like to file another complaint but he said if I talk about him he will ban me and "revert" and basically delete my article and make my Wikipedia life hell.

I caught him in a lie more than twice. He tried to lie about the GNG rules more than once. This undoubtdedly effected the opinion of other lesser experienced Wikipedia editors.

I'm just glad that I carefully read the GNG rules myself and was able to see that my subject is notable, even by the cold big guy's judgement.

So what should I do to file a complaint and not be banned? I didn't get to say my word in the last complaint before a friend of his closed it. That wasn't fair at all.

Any advice?

And since even my worst detractor (who is an admin who was caught red handed in a flat out lie) agreed that my subject meets NFOOTBALL and GNG says you can be either GNG or NFOOTBALL (or both) do you think we can close this matter? Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Also there seems to be some kind of general misunderstanding as to what "presumed" means. I looked it up:

presumed past participle, past tense of pre·sume (Verb)
Suppose that something is the case on the basis of probability: "I presumed that the man had been escorted from the building".
Take for granted that something exists or is the case.

The user above said that NFOOTBALL notability was satisfied but it was only presumed. This means that it's taken for granted, not that its some kind of reason to doubt.
So the WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL clearly state that notability is presumed.... Meaning:
If the subject played in a full professional league he is presumed(taken for granted) that the subject is notable even in the absence of GNG. I expected more the admins and editors but you are being very kind and impartial unlike some that I can't mention under threat.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


Hi! ARTPOP has a release date now! Can you please move Wikipedia:Artpop to Artpop please? Thank you! :) ARTPOPist (talk) 11:33, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Bwilkins already did, but I got the talk page caught up with the article. —C.Fred (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Dobson High School

Please re-review Dobson_High_School for potential copyright issues. AzLadyGeek (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred. (regarding OTOY COI)

After reading the page you recommended, i understand what this company is attempting to do is prohibited. What can be done? Also, is there an easier method of communication with you?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realityengine (talkcontribs) 00:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Reply at your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 00:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Fred - we have been in the contemporay art high end for over 40 years. To have deleted a recent post on artist Lisa Dawn Gold is simply rediclious. Please research and correct prior to an appropriate compaint for a subject out of your expertise. Thank you. M.T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headwatercontemporary (talkcontribs) 21:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The burden of proof is on the party creating the article to demonstrate through the article and the cited sources that the subject is notable. Who the author is is to a large part irrelevant.
That said, if you have a relationship with the subject, you do have to be extra cautious to cite independent sources and write with a neutral point of view, since you have a conflict of interest with the subject. —C.Fred (talk) 21:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
This is a gallery solely here to spam for the artist(s) they sell. I've blocked them as a promotional account with a spamusername. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Migration Alliance thanks you for your help

Dear Fred A peak society is a peak professional association much like the Law Society of NSW. I will try to change this so that it reads better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanz123 (talkcontribs) 00:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Template removal

I did not remove template from Alex Kulbashian or any of the other articles. I was the one who added it WikiErrorCorrection (talk) 00:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Reply at your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me out. Just got started. I will remember that next time. Thanks, Comp123456789 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comp123456789 (talkcontribs) 02:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Removed my link from Pakistan International School Jeddah


I am a student in this school so basically i have some right on this page and all i was doing,was adding a link to materials (Notes and Video Tutorials ) so that if school students visit this page they could get more benefited.

So i think, i am allowed to contribute in helping students and you should also allow me to do so.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuhdAliYasin (talkcontribs) 01:21, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Replying on your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 01:24, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

sorry sir,

Well i think you are right , i should not be posting it in here . — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuhdAliYasin (talkcontribs) 01:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


Can you help with making the Cincinnati Christian University and related articles better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatsONS (talkcontribs) 18:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

new user

User:Drumcorpsintl is not only using a name that intimates he/she represents DCI, but he/she is also making an indirect attack on a corps director. I reverted it once, but my reversion was then reverted by User:Drumcorpsintl. GWFrog (talk) 21:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Cadets / George Hopkins link

This is relevant information to the Cadets since George Hopkins is the Director and the information should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumcorpsintl (talkcontribs) 02:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much!

Thank you for helping me on the UME Prep site! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justaguy120 (talkcontribs) 03:10, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you would be a ble to get the image of the eagle onto the page (more info on page's talk section)?Justaguy120 (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The Human displacement map of the world map is not original research

Some clarifications: The Map is not original research, it is from a cartographist and investigator called Jonathan Hagos, his works have have been featured in multiple international design journals, publications, seminars and exhibitions, see the Oxford Brookes University website [8]. The map was part of the status quo until a user called Wadaad removed it two days ago claiming that it was pseudo scientific [9] when it clearly is realiable, a discussion on the talk page is open, the map must be restored. No need for the 3R warning, I've only reverted one time this day, though if this continues i'd have to request page protection. Czixhc (talk) 02:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Reply at your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
already replied in my talk page and on the talk page of the article where this issue takes place. Czixhc (talk) 03:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Centaurus Racing Team

Dear Mr. C.Fred,

I had uploaded an article about Centaurus Racing Team, that you deleted because it was not notable, almost three months ago. Centaurus Racing Team is a team of University of Thessaly, that takes place on the global competition FSAE. I believe that an article about this team may interest not only people relating to the competition but also people that are interested in motorsports because of the innovations team presents in this field. Besides that, there are articles about similar teams (E-Team Squadra Corse) without being deleted. So, what should I do so as to upload an article about Centaurus Racing Team without being deleted? I am looking forward for your reply.
--George.anadiotis (talk) 12:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)George Anadiotis

What you'll need to do is make sure they meet the notability guidelines for organizations. The article was probably deleted because such an assertion was not clearly made.
One thing that shows notability is to show that they've been written about by secondary sources. This is extensive coverage and not just passing mentions. —C.Fred (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Something else I should mention: the existence of articles on similar organizations is not an indicator that this organization is notable. Articles on other stuff exist; each article is evaluated on its own merits and not its relationship to other articles or notable groups. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. I will come up with the correct type of article.

--George.anadiotis (talk) 13:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)George Anadiotis

re: yr msg to Dennisallard re: Thomas Andrews Drake / whistleblower article

I noticed you left a message for Dennisallard who apparently wrote one of the articles on Drake. But beyond that, i can't figure out which way to go next.

At, i clicked on the link at Thomas Andrews Drake <>. It is red, and i did get the "stub" notice. But the article does exist at <>. The problem is, i'm too new at this to find the erroneous link in the Edit Source page.

Filé gumbo (talk) 08:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Cindy Hill (Wyoming politician)

Thanks for informing me about this article which I created a week ago. I restored the article to its original content. Several people butchered the article. I am looking for more sources but have eight or ten now. This is a controversial WY politician, and I suspect her critics or her supporters or both are trying to kill or influence the article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Keith Kenny - Notable Musician Question

Thank you for reviewing the article on Keith Kenny. The article is a work in progress but I have included sources that identify Keith as a notable figure in the Asbury Park Music scene. following the wiki musician criteria, note 7 states that the candidate "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability" Keith has had multiple award nominations in Asbury Park and in 2008 he won an asbury music award which is cited in this article. Stephancypants (talk) 17:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Teenage Dream (Katy Perry album)

I'm not sure what to do. This user keeps duplicating content in the article. — Status (talk · contribs) 05:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

@Status: Kww has disabled the visual editor on the page. That may be what was causing the table duplication, so we'll see if that helps the situation. —C.Fred (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah; I saw that. Seems like the visual editor is causing a lot of issues. — Status (talk · contribs) 21:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Anti-Sikh Riots

Hi, I do not understand why you have reverted my edits in the Anti-Sikh Riots page. There are lots of people who refer to these incidents as genocide. I did not term it genocide exclusively, but noted it alongside, riots, massacre, and pogroms. Please help me understand why this is not in accordance with Wikipedia policy. these violent incidents are often referred to as riots, pogroms, massacres and genocide. So please allow the diversity of usage. Wikipedia is not for exclusion but inclusion of different perspectives as long as they are respectful and genuine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirbhai1699 (talkcontribs) 06:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

@Nirbhai1699: This has been discussed repeatedly on the talk page, that genocide is a little POV-laden a term to use. It was contentious to get pogrom into the lede.
And with regard to perspectives being "respectful and genuine", one of the issues here is that another user was making the same edits and faced blocking over his actions, so the edits were reverted because of the appearance that you were that editor.
Bottom line, take your concerns to the talk page and work toward consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 14:32, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Fred, if the US says Snowden is not a dissident, of course that menas the rest of the world thinks it is. Right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerappelle (talkcontribs) 15:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

No. If the rest of the world thinks Snowden is a dissident, and if world press has reported it so it's verifiable that they think he is, then it can be included. —C.Fred (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Please keep this thread on your talk page, not spread across two. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 15:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

So, you removed all edits, including Manning? Was was the problem with that? Where are the sources for dissidents of othr countries? Why the double standard? I want this to be discussed, so I will open an ANI thread and other people can chime in. Can you please help me and let me mknow how do I properly notify you following the ruules? Thank you. (By the way, look at this: Jerappelle (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Hey, C.Fred. I see that you temporarily blocked Dante8. It's surprising that the Dante8 account had not been blocked before now. Anyway, I'm stopping by your talk page to state that he is likely going to continue editing during the block, but as an IP; see this section on his talk page if you haven't already. You may want to check on that IP's edits for any more disruptive editing. That IP has apparently belonged to Dante8 for a substantial amount of time, and clearly still belongs to him (or her). Flyer22 (talk) 15:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI thread

ANI thread Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding abuse, censorship. Thank you. —Jerappelle (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thomasfan5034

I've opened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thomasfan5034. One of the socks mentioned is User:Plong26, with whom you've had interaction I've been trying to sort out the links between several editors listed at Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Thomasfan5034 and one link that I found was a deletion notice that you added to Plong26's talk page about Thomasfan501, which you deleted. Could you please look at the SPI and comment if you can? --AussieLegend () 19:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


Hello, I was under the impression that reverting vandalism does not constitute and edit war. User: stated in their talk page "retrieving vandalism" clearly stating that they were interested in doing vandalism. Am I mistaken? -- Jahgro (talk) 20:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

The Center Line: Summer 2013

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Re: Warning

Don't you think that was a little hasty? 3 reverts in 24 hours is normally the guidline. In addition to this I have a hard enough time trying to keep all the warring factions at bay without being warned in the process. See Operation Blue Star and you'll see what I mean. Thanks SH 14:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Three reverts in 24 hours is a bright-line definition. Three reverts in a row with no edit summary and no participation in the talk page sure makes it look like you're one of the warring factions. Just because it took longer than 24 hours doesn't mean it automatically isn't edit warring. That's also why I emphasized joining the talk page discussion, so we can reach a broader consensus on how to represent this in the article. It could be argued that the talk page right now represents a weak consensus to omit the ethnicity. Finally, in the event one of the other parties did get sent to WP:ANEW, it completely takes the "why wasn't he warned?" defence away from the other parties (not that it's a good defence anyway). —C.Fred (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't see the talk page I thought it was another case of Sikh Nationalists Vs Indian Nationalists as in Operation Blue Star. I guess I'm so used to people like this WP:Edit War I didn't think to stop that some of them may even be discussing the article. Point taken, but please just leave a message for me next time than warn, as I'm gettinga little old and senile nowadays. :) Thanks SH 12:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Frank C. Damrell page

I noticed you reverted my contribution. What do you mean by citation? Should it be a link or a journal paper that is footnoted? I'll repost it with citations in whatever format you desire after looking at other pages to see what source code others have used to do it. BTW, here in USA, the sentencing for crack cocaine versus sentencing for powder cocaine issue is a huge topic and pretty much any lawsuit which sentenced a black to a few years in prison is a valid example. It is not just this judge. It is just that this lawsuit names the defendant, the sentence and is in a mainstream newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Since this is in response to a warning I left you, I've replied at your talk page, User talk: —C.Fred (talk) 19:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Malaysia national football team

Hi again Fred, I already take a revision back on this, I see the largest defeat of Malaysia team is with Israel with a score 3–8 on Sep 3, 1974. So I think the goal difference now is "5". — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 17:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

@Ranking Update: No, they have several losses by a differential of 6. Since 6>5, all those six-goal margins stay as the biggest margin of defeat. —C.Fred (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Hm, yes, if we look back at the match with New Zealand, the goal difference would be "6". But the latest match with a biggest defeat is with Israel with a score "3–8", why we can't pick that? — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 17:51, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@Ranking Update: Because it's the all-time largest defeat, not the most recent large defeat. Until they lose a match by seven goals or more, the largest defeat will be by six, with that large list of matches. —C.Fred (talk) 18:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
And for that matter, the loss to Israel was back in 1974; it's not recent at all! —C.Fred (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok, Ok, thanks. That's what I asking for, to clear this "misconception". — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 18:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


Would they be kin? Face-wink.svg
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Berean Hunter: No, no relation. —C.Fred (talk) 00:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the reverts on this editor. I suspect this is the Lee Corso trolls that have been trying to stuff him into various articles [10][11] -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

User: Star Gazer 13

Regarding: [Bulgarian Children's Chorus and School Gergana] Dear Mr. Fred, I have received an editor warring warning. Even though I do not wish do engage in edit warring, my edits are repeatedly deleted in their entirety. I have presented independent sources but the creator of the article do not let me to add the information because they simply do not like the facts. He/she is operating under three different identities in Wikipedia, you can see that every time I try to add information the same version of the article is reinstated. One of the sock puppets has been blocked for attempted outing of an editor and personal attack. Currently the information in the article does not correspond to the facts and serves only the creators of the article who, in my view, are exploiting Wikipedia for self promotion. I don't think that the people behind the article are going to cooperate to reach a consensus. The other editor is very aggressive in his attacks and language which also does not make a good ground for a discussion. What is the best approach in this situation? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Star Gazer 13 (talk) 21:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Star Gazer 13

Reply at your talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 21:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch, I tried the consensus path - you can see on the talk page. Nevertheless, I believe that behind all this is the leadership of the organization and people who directly benefit financially form it. That is why they are trying to simply delete the unpleasant facts from the past. I guess I'll have to ask for a third opinion. Thanks for the advice. In the meantime, what is the meaning of the warning, can I make edits at all? Star Gazer 13 (talk) 22:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Star Gazer 13

Nomination of Kevin Barker for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kevin Barker is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Barker until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Help with enforcing a warning

I'm treading close to WP:INVOLVED, so I would like you to follow up with a block if this discussion with Arriiiaaaa goes unheeded.—Kww(talk) 22:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

@Kww: I've got that article on my watchlist, so I'll see if it's re-added. Quiet between when you left your message and now, though. —C.Fred (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Again.—Kww(talk) 20:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
@Kww: I saw the edit and subsequent warning by another editor. I spelled out pretty clearly the problem with the edits and made clear that if it happens again, the account will be blocked. I was on the bubble about blocking tonight, but I wouldn't be if it were to happen again. —C.Fred (talk) 02:30, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Don't know why my previous completely unambiguous warning was insufficient, but I guess we can wait one more cycle.—Kww(talk) 02:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Because I'm either giving them one more chance or a little more rope. If they do it again, it's deliberate enough that I'd indefinitely block them for willful disruption. (Or, it pushes them to have to communicate to request the unblock.) —C.Fred (talk) 02:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Citing Sources

Thank you Fred for pointing that out. I am new to Wikipedia and was wondering how I can cite a county website that contains public arrest records. The only issue I see with this, is that the website requires the user to enter the first and last name of the person to display any results. In this case, I am trying to include the arrest information of Beto O'Rourke. Is this even possible? Or would I have to find another source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandolesinfo (talkcontribs) 16:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

You would need to find another source. According to WP:BLPSOURCES, public records, like arrest records, should not be used as sources in articles. Sources that would be acceptable would be a newspaper report of the arrest or a mention of it in a biography written about him. —C.Fred (talk) 16:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

South Asia Changes- Afghanistan


I'm not sure why you undid my changes to the South Asia page. As an Afghan I know that Afghanistan and Iran should be classified under the EXTENDED definition of South Asia. Afghanistan is not a part of "South Asia" as the term refers to the Desi diaspora; Afghanistan is not desi and shares no similar heritage or homeland with the rest of the main South Asian countries. I'm not sure why its in the main definition and in the box on the right. Afghanistan is not really a part of any large geographical region. It is not wholly Middle eastern, South Asian or Central Asian. Very rarely its referred to as "Central-South Asian." In the editing history of the South Asia page I noticed more people with the same concern as me but they're concern clearly wasn't addressed. Thanks for your time though! Please look into it and allow us to make the changes. It is not fair to us Afghans to be misrepresented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AfghanWhiz (talkcontribs) 00:34, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Sanjeev Nanda Hit and run case

Hi, I would like to inform that Sanjeev Nanda hit and run case title is controversial and Disparage category So please move it to "Sanjeev Nanda". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidgaur (talkcontribs) 06:41, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@Khalidgaur: Discussion about the article title had proved otherwise. Besides, it's not about Nanda, only the one incident. —C.Fred (talk) 03:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

how did i attack? i dont know how message works sorry is this right Lakdfhia (talk) 03:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

May 31st 2051 The Rapture

Yo, C.Fred, I see that you've deleted this article once before; it's back. I scarcely know what to do with it; I don't have access to my admin account atm, so I just slapped a PROD on it in the meantime, but if you want to exercise some admin discretion again, well, I won't tell if you don't. :P Writ Keeper (WK to move) 18:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: It looks likesomebody else already did. Thanks for the heads-up, though. —C.Fred (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

User:James dalton bell

Hi, C.Fred, could please take a look at Bell's user page? The issue is whether the {{Banned user}} tag should be used. I came to this through Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/James dalton bell. Since the filing of the report, there have also been discussions on my talk page and User:Reaper Eternal's talk page. I didn't think the tag was justified. However, User:NeilN, who has a lot of history with this user (I have none), objected. Nothing Neil has said convinces me the tag is appropriate, but he believes that your edit to the user page indicates that you agreed with it. I understand his point, but I'm not sure he's right as you didn't add the tag, you corrected a non-admin's addition of the tag. These tags are controversial, and I'm generally against them unless the user has been officially banned (rather than "de facto" banned), but that's just my view.

If you have an opinion on the tag for this user, I'll defer to your wishes. If not, I'll leave the tag off and let Neil pursue it if he wants to.

Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Memory is fuzzy, since the tag was three years ago, but it was probably an issue with gaming the system with sockpuppets. By adding the tag, the message was "banned means banned," and any obvious-sock edits were reverted on sight accordingly. It was also, effectively, my endorsement of the user having been de facto banned.
Usage changes, so if the community no longer thinks that's the right tag, I'm not that concerned if it's removed. I'm also not hands-on with any of this user's edits where it's been a concern to me, like it was back when I tagged his user page. —C.Fred (talk) 15:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I have no idea what the community thinks now. There was never an SPI report filed about Bell until the just-archived report about an IP. As far as I know, there's been no use of other named accounts, just IPs. If you look at Bell's block log, you'll see he wasn't even blocked for socking. He was blocked based on persistent disruption reported at ANI. Nonetheless, based on your comments and Neil's strong views on the issue, I'll restore the tag. From what I've seen of the history, the user, when he's not incarcerated, is a single-minded jerk. Even if I don't agree with the tag in the abstract, it's not worth having an endless discussion at a noticeboard to solicit community input. Thanks for your response.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
@Bbb23 I wouldn't particularly care but showing up after a long absence and resuming the same WP:NOTHERE behavior (minus the calls for blocking everyone in sight) indicates the user hasn't learned anything. If his only interest is puffing up his biography with scant regard to our policies then it's just easier to revert his wikilawyering and give a heads up to any proxy editors. --NeilN talk to me 16:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


Sae undergrad number is 14,000. Its listed on their web page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saeisu (talkcontribs) 01:39, 6 September 2013‎ (UTC)

@Saeisu: It's approximately 14,000. I've changed the text accordingly and updated the citation. —C.Fred (talk) 01:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

New Aaliyah Image

Hello, I'm a current editor on Aaliyah's main page. I'm autoconfirmed, but you seem to be the only one capable of editing things on Aaliyah's page. I'm a huge AALIYAH fan and I and other Aaliyah fans have been discussing a new main image for Aaliyah's page to replace the image of her in Berlin, Germany. Here is the image link: If that doesn't work here is the image I uploaded to Wikipedia Commons AARMD.jpg Thank You ~ Team Aaliyah --Datyger (talk) 01:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC) Datyger

@Datyger: The link to Commons doesn't work. As far as the image on Tumblr, I need more information before we can add it. Who took the image, when, and under what rights have they released it? —C.Fred (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Aaliyah signature

its me again I was just wondering if you could upload Aaliyah's signature in her infobox like it is on Beyonce's page. the image of the signature is in Wikipedia Commons under the subject Aaliyah. thank you--Datyger (talk) 02:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

how do i report it?

@C.Fred: I don't know how to notify the user. Please show me and I will do it. I tried following the instructions and it didn't work. Simply a matter of not knowing. (Tvfanatics (talk) 18:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC))
Sorry for butting in, per the WP:ANI notice on top, go to the user page and put {{subst:ANI-notice}} on their page. You missed a bracket it seems. (talk) 19:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

ok thanks very much. (Tvfanatics (talk) 20:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC))

Page mistakenly deleted

@C.Fred: You deleted a page that I was adding content to, but I never added the page in the first place, I was only trying to add content and then you went and deleted a page that was already there for a while. The link to was from but you now killed that page. I was asked by somebody at the Rensselaer Society of Engineers to fill out that page and I probably shouldn't have hit save because it was incomplete. Please reinstate the page and I'll have somebody else build a full bio at a later time.

Lethalspam (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

@Lethalspam: When they've got a good draft of a bio, complete with reliable sources, they can just create it. If you don't have the list of patents anywhere salvageable, you can go to WP:REFUND and see if somebody there will email it to you; I don't do email requests like that. —C.Fred (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

you did

everything you put in the penalties is hearsay, so what I put it more accurate from popular belief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theahamay (talkcontribs) 00:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

@Theahamay: If you had only deleted the penalties, you could justify it as removing unsourced text. However, you added commentary to the article about NASCAR making up penalties as they see fit. At best, that's an unsourced allegation; at worst, it's a deliberate attempt to belittle NASCAR with the comment, which fits the definition of vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 00:13, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

FUEL link please c.fred

Hey there, i was asked by the band to edit as to the link that was there is no longer the official fuel forums. It is fuelies4life. how do we get it put back please? thank you Fuelies4life (talk) 02:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

@Fuelies4life: There's two problems with that edit. First, fan sites should not be listed per the guidelines on external links to avoid. Second, if the band asked you to put it there, you have a conflict of interest and should refrain from editing the article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry, not understanding what you are saying, conflict? Also, it's not a fan site, it is the official forums for the band. The one that was there no longer exists and this one took it's place. Do you understand ? I'm new to this and as far as i know this boardis alowed because it's an official one? Fuelies4life (talk) 23:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Replying at your talk page, since you've been blocked. —C.Fred (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

19 Sep 2013 Knivd

Hello Fred, As you have noticed, there has been an edit war going between me and User:Nike about some content in the Decimal Time page. He removed the content initially posted by me stating the reason "not notable" while I do not agree with his credentials to determine the notability of it. My added text is enriching the subject, getting recognized in commercial products and genuinely informational in terms of content. I had stated data source initially, but that was removed later as "Original research". In my understanding every small step in the human development and science stems for an "original research" so my only aim was to enrich the page with more information on the topic. Talking to this particular user is practically pointless, a conclusion based on the attitude and responses other people have received from him to their attempts to talk. Regards, -Knivd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knivd (talkcontribs) 02:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

@Knivd: If your added text had already gotten recognition, you would be able to cite secondary sources to back the changes up. Since there are no sources, that's what leads him, among others, to determine that C10 does not meet the Wikipedia definition of notability and should not be mentioned in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
@C.Fred:, There is a lot of material out there, unsupported by secondary sources. Even in the aforementioned topic. I just genuinely tried to give some extra information to the Wikipedia users. Since it is not accepted, let it be that way. Anyway, I will not participate in this pointless conflict anymore. But I will not support Wikipedia this year as well. Regards, User:Knivd —Preceding undated comment added 03:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


I have been asked by my school to edit, and put the information on my schools Wikipedia page. they gave me the info to put, and yet when i finish, you have completely taken it all off. I would extremely apreciate it if you would not d\o it again! I am not spamming the page. i spent 3 hours gathering and editing that page, and now it has all been a waste because you have deleted all of it. so again, please do not delete my editing. 9/18/13 Thanks, Greg HoldinessThefirstfhorn (talk) 03:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

See your talk page for information both on why lists of drum majors don't go in schools' articles and on how to edit when you have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 03:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

New York City

Hi C.Fred, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but I ran into some problems with the links. That being said, I fixed them and was wondering if you have any advice how to handle the other ones. I really tried to keep working at this but our stalker friend reverted and tried to get the link locked. Is this a legit move or should I take it to ANI? Cheers. (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

You're going to need to be more specific. Since you're editing from a dynamic IP, and you have no other edits at this IP, I have no clue what you're referring to. I also don't see where I did anything on the talk page of NYC. —C.Fred (talk) 22:00, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred! Please do not delete!

Hi Cfred, We are editors from IMDB. We have finally provide information to the real person of the article. This is a new article with completely different and cited content. Is there a way you could help us?!? It would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMDBeditors (talkcontribs) 02:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Rollback right

Would you please provide me with rollback right so that i can revert vandalism easily. I have applied for the right in Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. But no one responding to my request. If i have rollback right i would fight vandalism from my cell phone more easily where undoing a large edit like this is not possible for me. - Rahat | Message 16:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion Griffen881

C.Fred can I tell you that I didn't mean to have his name I was trying Griffen but when I learned that was taken Griffen881 was the second thing to mind so when I created the wiki I forgot all about the username rule and I wrote what I learned from him and his friend can't you understand that I'm just a new user and I'm just starting I realize that this happens often but how come I mean sometimes you feel you just need to right about something that you think people will love something you think may bring hope that one day when you write something that it won't be turned down and sometimes you can achieve in life and that you can continue one informing people about things life people that do something to brighten up your day and makes you smile,laugh,and enjoy coming home finishing your homework and watching.

written by a 10 year old Griffen881 (talk) 03:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Andrew Slattery

Hi C.Fred! I'm not sure of the best way of proceeding here - perhaps the best option would be to nominate the article to AFD as a BLP1E issue, and not worry about the identity of Andrew Slattery unless it survives? However, if you are interested, I did some digging when this came up, and found the Google Cache version of Andrew Slattery's LinkedIn page, where he described himself as a poet with a list of awards. That's been removed since, but the awards included ones the poet is known to have won, and now he is only depicted there as a screenwriter. Similarly, includes Andrew Slattery's poetry book Canyon from his site, [12], although that has also recently been removed from his web page. I don't really care about the issue that much, and would rather see the article deleted, but I think there's a bit of whitewashing and reputation management going on. - Bilby (talk) 15:45, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Bilby: The issue is that there are multiple Andrew Slatterys. Now, I'm not sure why the LinkedIn page had the overlap, but that's not important. What is worth noting is that the Volunteer Response Team investigated the issue through email correspondence, and they issued an OTRS ticket with their findings. That action trumps re-insertion of the same material.
You may be right that deleting the article is the route to go, especially if BLP1E applies. —C.Fred (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
What emerged to show that they weren't the same person? The linkedin page and website seemed pretty conclusive. The person currently claiming to be a screenwriter also claimed to have written and won awards for poetry, and to have published the book of poetry "Canyon". - Bilby (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
@Bilby: Something emerged in the course of the OTRS proceedings. My guess is that some documentation was revealed that isn't in the public eye, and that's why it went through OTRS instead of regular channels. I know that means the edit happens outside of normal scrutiny, but that's why OTRS exists, in large part: to handle sensitive matters that shouldn't be widely disclosed.
It's also not a common thing. I've got on the order of 15,000 pages on my watchlist, and I see OTRS tickets used to back up edits somewhere between once a month and once a quarter. —C.Fred (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Well, if you have time, the Google cache version of the LinkedIn page is at [13], and the current page is at [14]. At some point after August 30 this year, someone removed all mention of Andrew Slattery's poetry awards and poetry book from his LinkedIn page, and instead started describing him as "the screenwriter, not the poet". This is very peculiar. - Bilby (talk) 17:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of page for "alleged" copyright violation

Dear C.Fred:

You wield a sharp knife when you censor a page for alleged copyright violations, without receiving any allegation of copyright infringement from a copyright owner, or conducting any real investigation.

In particular, you deleted the Greg_Speirs page because it appears to include material from But, this material was AUTHORIZED by Greg Speirs, the copyright owner, and therefore does not, and cannot itself be, a copyright violation. See [2]. Or perhaps that page is also an infringement and needs to be stricken?

Please restore the deleted page. If in doubt, contact Greg Speirs, but please don't take it upon yourself to be a censor and troll, without good reason. (talk) 21:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I did do an investigation. I went to and noted that the text was substantially copied from the page. I also noticed that the page bears the notice "© 2012 Greg Speirs. All Rights Reserved."
Had the webpage contained a free license (Creative Commons, GFDL, or public domain), there would not have been a problem. Had their been evidence on the talk page that Speirs had contacted Wikipedia and donated the material so anybody and everybody could use it freely, there would not have been a problem. However, by all appearances, the material was not free and could not be used here. Wikipedia takes copyrights seriously and deletes infringing material proactively; we do not wait to be contacted by the rightsholder with a complaint.
I cannot restore the page—at least, not until Speirs re-licenses the text in question under a free license. He can either change the copyright notice on (one page of) his website, or he can email the Volunteer Response Team directly, but until he gives clear indication that the text is free for all to use, we can't use it here. —C.Fred (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Shraddha Kapoor

CINTAA, is website where cine field knows how important an organisation. It is the adjudicate authority for every contentious issue in the film/telly industry of mumbai. Alia Bhatt, profile her DOB is unkonwn, ---->

Katrina Kaif, profile her DOB is also unknown, ---->

Bipasha Basu, profile her DOB is also unknown, ---->

Is this what we called a legit website,

Shraddha Kapoor, age is a mystery/unknown, Times of India, indicate her as 24 year old (born 1989), Other sites, indicated her as (born 1992), she herself stated that she cast in her debut movie in 2010 when she was 18 years old make her 21 years old in 2013.

I had not add her DOB, as it sounds so dubious at all. Wait for is next year she will celebrate her DOB, in March 03, we might get a hint what her age is.... Till then, it is appropriate to leave her DOB section blank. I had an objection if Shraddha Kapoor source is reliable and accurate, so this apply also for Alia Bhatt, Bipasha Basu and Katrina Kaif, remove her DOB, an put blank over there depending on CINTAA Profiles.

But, yet i was threaten, warned and reported, i was not acting as a Vandalism at all. Where is my fault. This is the so-called WIKIPEDIA FOUNADTION, SO FAKED, COMPLETELY FAKED FOR ME, IT WAS SO UNFAIR TOWARDS ME..... i guess... I do not know where i was wrong.

Archana Ramdonee 08:57, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

@Smauritius: This discussion belongs at Talk:Shraddha Kapoor, where the question of whether CINTAA is a reliable source or not is under debate. Also, the actions of one editor do not equate to that of the Wikimedia Foundation. —C.Fred (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to my world C.Fred! Your efforts to explain reliable sourcing and dispute resolution to Rose$keel and Smauritius are commendable, however I thought you should be aware that I have provided the same information, links, and advice over the past week to no effect (check my talk page if you dare!). I wish you better luck than I have had.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 16:06, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
To which end, discussion of the merits of sources for inclusion in Kapoor's article belongs at Talk:Shraddha Kapoor, so it's in one place and not scattered across multiple user talk pages and noticeboards as well as the article talk. —C.Fred (talk) 15:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I beg the differ CINTAA is not an accurate and reliable source to prove Shraddha Kapoor, DOB.

Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, birth date is also unknown, ----->

Kajol Devgan, DOB is unknown, ----->

Esha Deol, DOB is unknown, --->

Kangna Ranaut, DOB is 1986 in CINTAA Profile ----->, but in her official website and WIKI is 1987.

RoseKeel stated, Bollywood personalities went to the office of CINTAA, to register. They check their birth certificate to publish their age. So, why many celebrities age is not publish.

Everyone can own a sepecific account in CINTAA, Just to the link,, in the right side, there is a member login box, just enter the email.address and password, you want 2 register, then it will provide that link ---->, enter that choose your registration fee, re-type your mail address and password you want to register. You get the registration form, you fill the form, it will provide you, the biling form since since you do the payment, they will email your account.

Since, you had enter do the payment i don't think it your account cannot create. There is no need to go to the registration office, and all. I have done being a Mauritian citizen, so you guys can also do it.

It makes sense to leave Shraddha Kapoor DOB, section blank, rather than providing dubious account.

IF i am acting as a Vandalism, as i had been warned and report just block me then....

Archana Ramdonee 13:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

CINTAA, is not an accurate website providing illogical information about Bollywood personalities.

Aishwarya Rai, is cited as one of the most beautiful woman in the world, She got an blue-green eyes, everyone know about it. CINTAA, is the most accurate and reliable sources to prove Bollywood Personalities identifications. Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, CINTAA, profile identified her physicality as black eyes. ---->

Membership, is not the issue, who edits the profiles? Anybody, the performer, or an editorial board at CINTAA?? but whoever edits the profiles do you think it is dubious at all, to identified her eyes as black.

But, still it is the most creditable and accurate sources, to prove an individual personality and identity, taking the feedback of CINTAA Profile, let's change Aishwarya Rai Bachchan physicality? We all blindfold ourselves, despite she was born with green-blue eyes let's her black eyes as CINTAA, provide so??

Whether it seems so dubious but let's do it, even Rose$keel, provide Shraddha Kapoor CINTAA source on quoting it is a DOB confirmed from the CINTAA website as specified in the link. CINTAA is an association of Cine artists in Mumbai which has illustrious members like Aishwarya bachan, Anil Kapoor etc. No more changes or deletions in Birthdate are allowed view the history for that.

Priyanka Chopra, CINTAA profile is presented as Priyanka Chopraa --->, despite the fact that she is Priyanka Chopra, let's change her name as Priyanka Chopra to Priyanka Chopraa as it is published in CINTAA Profile. Despite, illogical information about Bollywood Personalities but still CINTAA, IS THE MOST ACCURATE AND RELIABLE SOURCE TO PROVE A BOLLYWOOD PERSONALITY INFORMATION.

Please, kindly visit CINTAA WEBSITE, and view celebrities profiles, Archana Ramdonee 16:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.


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Sheheryar Munawar Siddiqui

whats your problem. i am the official respresentative of sheheryar munawar and reserve the right to make any changes regarding his wikipedia. visit his official facebook page for more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmlofficial (talkcontribs) 23:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

See reply at your talk page; further discussion should also take place there, so the thread is in one place. —C.Fred (talk) 23:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

tbta wiki page

Hello cfred you made a change to my correction on tbta wkik page. Please look at the job posting for bridge and tunnel officer via (TBTA), as you can see TBTAis not a police agency or department. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

It may not be a police department per New York statute, but it is, in common usage of the word, a police department. —C.Fred (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Your statement is wrong and quite insulting. A Police dept have diffrent rules and standards than tbta officers. New york state has 2 set of law enforcement titles (police officer + peace officer) for a reason. Their is no evidence that tbta is a police dept ie, their website, agency patch or anything. I also noticed that you keep making correction on more than one law enforcement wiki page. The funny thing is that they are all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no common use of the word police as you wrote. it is a crime in every state. So it is your understanding that anyone in new york state can use the title police officer or police dept. Here is a list of nys peace officers ( nyc fireman, ny district attorneys, nyc park ranger, nyc fire prevention officer) lets call all of them police officers and there agency police dept under your theory. I can tell you that your facts are wrong and that you should stop editing people correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:38, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

The Police article says otherwise. "Alternative names for police force include constabulary, gendarmerie, police department, police service, crime prevention, protective services, law enforcement agency, civil guard or civic guard. Members may be referred to as police officers, troopers, sheriffs, constables, rangers, peace officers or civic/civil guards."[emphasis added]C.Fred (talk) 03:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

SPI for Megscaves123?

Hi. Was an SPI ever opened for Megscaves123? Given that this user is presumed to be a sock of a very prolific sockmaster (Mangoeater1000), I think it would be a good idea to get some more solid documentation on record regarding this new sock. Thanks. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 06:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

@Richwales: No, it was not. I felt that the edits to the List of NYU Polytechnic Institute people were a clear continuation of the pattern of edits by Mangoeater1000. As a result, I don't think an investigation is necessary—and I'd expect any SPI opened now would be quickly closed due to the block. Do you feel there's not a sufficient connection, or are you just asking from the angle of gathering more evidence? —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Prince Kash

How do you add sources that will make the article valid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mctherapper (talkcontribs) 22:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mctherapper: The key is to show where independent reliable sources have written about the subject. That includes magazine and newspaper articles but does not include blogs, press releases, or the artist's own website. Ideally, you do footnotes throughout the article, so each point in the article can be tied back to the source that backs it up. —C.Fred (talk) 23:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for my misbehaving act.

Sorry, for disputing Shraddha Kapoor DOB in your talk page. This dispute should be on the Talk:Shraddha Kapoor. I do know — if i had the right to dedicate you in [...] your own talk page. If you want you can remove the following sections

  • Shraddha Kapoor
  • I beg the differ CINTAA is not an accurate and reliable source to prove Shraddha Kapoor, DOB.
  • CINTAA, is not an accurate website providing illogical information about Bollywood personalities.

I genuinely sorry for this act as — i was not aware of this. SORRY

Smauritius (' . ') 18:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

what can I do to prevent my article from getting deleted?

I recently created an article called "The Economist Journal" and it was deleted. Can you please provide some insight as to what I can do to get it back up?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by YVC (talkcontribs) 21:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@YVC: You indicated in the article that it was an organization but failed to show how it was a notable organization. You'll need to find reliable sources that have written about the organization. The sources need to be independent of the organization; you cannot use its website or press releases. —C.Fred (talk) 22:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Wiki Page on actor

Please find below the links for reference for the actor Joju george. Could you restore the page as the actor is well-known and is a notable person in malayalam movie industry. I believe the page was deleted because there were no links provided for reference. Request you to restore the page after verifying the links given below. There are references to this actor in the wiki pages pof the movies he has acted.

Prardhana (talk) 07:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

@Prardhana: The article was deleted as a result of community discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Joju George. No improvement was made in the article from the version deleted, so I deleted it as a recreation.
If you think an improved version can be created, I suggest creating a draft in your user space. Then have an editor review it once you think it's improved; if it is improved, then we can help you get it back into the main encyclopedia.
Remember, the key for notability is not that he has a passing mention in articles about his films; there need to be news stories written about him for him to meet the general notability guidelines. —C.Fred (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Response to the Deletion of Bjconfer5039's page on Dr. Kevin B Sands.

Hi C.Fred! I am brand new to wikipedia, and I am looking forward to doing a lot of writing and reviewing. I was hired to create a factual page on Dr. Kevin Sands and his work in the cosmetic dentistry field of medicine. It is not something that i can complete with full references in one sitting. How do i avoid my work getting deleted as its in progress?? Are you supposed to code on a separate word tablet until everything is completed and then upload?

Also i am curious for your opinion on how i can avoid being deleted in the future. Here is the link to another popular dentist on wikipedia [[15]] I was trying to have Dr. Sands's page be a reflection of this. What is it Gerry Curatola is doing differently and how can i better my article.

I understand wikipedia tries to avoid self promotion/advertising but i thought my article included a large amount of factual text regarding cosmetic dentistry and the different procedures and tools needed.

Please advise. Thank you!! 00:45, 17 October 2013 (UTC)Bjconfer5039 wed. Oct. 16, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjconfer5039 (talkcontribs)

@C.Fred - Also, I would love to re-do the article and have an editor review it prior to posting. Where can I have a wiki expert review my piece? Thanks Again!

Bjconfer5039 (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)Bjconfer5039

submission deletion

Hey C.Fred, I admit I was using Wikipedia for a joke of a fictitious band called the phinishers. Could you send me the content of that page and I will not contribute it to this website again. I will send the content over email to the person for which I'm intending laughter from. Thank you. Bhouse08 14:10 17/10/2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhouse08 (talkcontribs) 18:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

@Bhouse08: I don't handle requests to email content, but you can check at WP:REFUND. Make sure you specifically mention you want the deleted content emailed to you (and make sure you have registered your email address within the Preferences). —C.Fred (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

submission deletion

Hey Fred, thanks for the comment. I'm trying to create a page for Template:Publicstuff but I can't figure out how to do it without inadvertently breaking a rule. I think it's notable because it's a technology company with a lot of clout with government 311 software. It's raised a considerable amount of money (~5 milion in funding), and is the main 311 system of big cities like Philadelphia, Tallahassee, Palo Alto, etc etc…

new york times (I think this one is the most balanced) techhive techcrunch Julian88888888 (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Subcat mess at Sea Shepherd Conservation Society

Hi, I came across a discussion of yours regarding sub categories and parent categories for Eco-terrorism and Sea Shepherd. It seems that some people have created Eco-terrorism sub categories and placed them under the category of SSCS with the purpose of trying to keep the words "Eco-terrorism" off of the SSCS mainpaige. I took the liberty of removing this nonsense and left notes on each talk page. Could you take a look at the categories on SSCS and weigh in on the discussion? Your experienced input would be appreciated. (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi. You recently deleted my page on Vontus. Could you restore it, or at least explain why you deleted it? I feel as though 5 million YouTube hits makes them pretty significant. I'm new to Wikipedia and trying to figure out how not to make errors like this. Thanks. VinceIce2 (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

@VinceIce2: WP:NBAND has a list of criteria that make a band notable. The general requirement is that the band has gotten substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. Some other accomplishments by the band will also be indicative of notability, such as getting a song on a national chart (e.g., Billboard), having a song or album certified gold or platinum, or winning a major national award (e.g., Grammy or Juno). No such assertion was made about Vontus. YouTube hits are not an assertion of significance or importance.
I've restored the article back to your userspace so you can continue to work on it. It's at User:VinceIce2/Vontus. I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to move the article back to mainspace again; instead, if you think the article is ready, get input from some experienced editors on whether it is. —C.Fred (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Rusty Foster

Hello C.Fred! I noticed your recent message on my talk page about my edits to the page "Rusty Foster." My recent edits to the page on Rusty Foster were explained on the talk page. In short, the page is full of unsourced material of dubious notability (and of an arguably harassing nature). The subject of the page himself is of questionable notability and probably ought to be the subject of an AfD.

Tripel sec (talk) 02:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

See your talk page, where I point out that you're deleting sourced material. —C.Fred (talk) 02:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The material is mostly sourced from a now defunct website and from primary sources, as noted on the page in question. The page was already tagged as of questionable notability. All well-sourced references relate to a prank in which someone convinced facebook the subject was dead. The articles are more about facebook than the subject. Tripel sec (talk) 02:44, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Now you claim I'm adding unsourced material? Are you a bot or something? Tripel sec (talk) 02:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
@Tripel sec: What else do you call this addition of a category—a category that isn't used anywhere else on Wikipedia, for that matter? —C.Fred (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
When I made the revert, it was my understanding that I was removing that category, not adding it. It did not occur to me that this other user had made three edits so quickly that readded then deleted the category I had originally removed. By the way, do you know who Rusty Foster is and do you have any reason to think any of the now unsourced material on his page is true and/or notable? Tripel sec (talk) 03:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)