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Talk:Politics of China#Requested move 11 December 2016[edit]

Hello Calidum. I just saw that Talk:Politics_of_China#Requested_move_11_December_2016 was closed. This could benefit from a bit more discussion (regardless of the ultimate outcome). Would you mind reopening and relisting this? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I think consensus was pretty clear against the requested move. Similar move requests here, here, here and here have already failed, so I don't think consensus would change at the one in question. Calidum 15:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I would have preferred a better discussion. A decision taken after a thorough discussion is more helpful. For example at Talk:Flag_of_China#Requested_move_3_December_2016, the consensus was pretty tight (8 opposes vs 6 supports). That was after being relisted twice. In this particular case, I see 3 supports and 4 opposes. Considering that George Ho recently left a message at WP:CHINA, it would have benefited from a bit more discussion. Similar move requests for places in the Western countries (such as at Talk:New York/July 2016 move request) are usually left open for a much longer time. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
The length of time another RM was left open doesn't have much relevance to the discussion in question. The arguments given in opposition to the move (WP:COMMONNAME and the name of the main article) were far stronger than those raised in support. Calidum 21:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I disagree. I pointed out that the country and the country's politics are different. Also, consistency is very tricky. George Ho (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
The consistency is a tricky argument here. I mean we have History of the People's Republic of China and History of China. Similarly while we have President of Ireland while the country article is at Republic of Ireland. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Flag of China#Requested move 3 December 2016[edit]

What about this discussion? The whole consensus is divided, yet you closed it as "not moved". --George Ho (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Same rationale as above applies. Not entirely sure what your question here is, but if you're arguing it should have been closed as "no consensus" rather than "not moved," that's really just a semantically argument. Calidum 03:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Won't hurt changing it to "no consensus" and amending rationale, will it? George Ho (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Also, how should the endless ROC vs PROC ranting, tiresome it may be, affect this decision? George Ho (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2016)[edit]

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DC Extended Universe[edit]

Hi. Can you participate on the discussion of the talk page of DC Extended Universe about The Batman heading? The user Forty.4 simply don't accept the consensous. Greetings.OscarFercho (talk) 05:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to, though I don't know how much it will matter. Calidum 05:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

DRN[edit]

The DRN recommends mediation of the Harry S Truman issue. Please indicate that you are willing to participate. Otherwise, I will assume that you are refusing. Please don't refuse.

Thank you. Lakeshake (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Please don't refuse to abide by the consensus on the talk page. There is no reason to escalate this to mediation simply because you disagree. Calidum 01:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
It is a false claim to say that there is consensus. Please consider agreeing to mediation. Please do not refuse. Lakeshake (talk) 18:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
You're trolling, right? Five people have expressed a preference for the status, and yet you claim there is no consensus. I suggest you read up on what consenus actually means, because clearly you don't. Calidum 19:13, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

You and me[edit]

Seems to me that your remarks indicate your not having good terms with me. Before I say something about you, have I done anything wrong? --George Ho (talk) 06:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

It's nothing personal, but you do have a pattern of pushing forward move requests for (to me) specious reasons, the Exile on Main St. one being a good example. I would suggest you slow down the number of move requests you make; I count 21 open requests at this moment where you're the nominator. That's a lot. I'm fairly active at RMs and I'm not sure I've made 21 nominations total. Calidum 13:26, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Re-reading my nominations, I still have good reasons to make RMs. Most of titles are either messy or undeserved challenged were either unstable, poorly stable, or something like that. Discussing titles with others... Must I ask the person responsible to change it back? Would that be necessary? I thought bold revert is more preferable to long windy discussions. --George Ho (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC); edited --20:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Also, using the second-narration implies your blaming on me for... my trying to make discussions rules or something? I read the ArbCom case about title rules. Seems to me that... my trying to do the right thing would not prevent backlashes or something. Also, conceding is not the same as cooperating or mutual agreement. Nevertheless, conceding... isn't it the same as defeat? --George Ho (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Not to be rude here, but I don't have a clue about what point you are trying to make. I offered you some advice -- slow down with the RMs -- but it doesn't seem you're willing to consider it. Calidum 01:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Actually, maybe I will... somehow. It's just... either title discussions are often unstable and messy, or edit warring on titles is confusing readers. I'm doing my best to put others before myself... somehow. I must organize myself first before making any more RMs. What shall I do to a very empty talk page? Make a discussion and wait for people to come around? Or shall I notify people? George Ho (talk) 02:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Speaking of making a point, I'm going to take two philosophy courses, logic (or philosophical logic) and symbolic logic. I'm told to be clear in my arguments or face concerns about my arguments. Maybe both of those courses would help me improve my arguments... unless there are other ways. I have not backlashed much, though I get in heated talks. George Ho (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of titles, I asked one of Arbitrators about an ArbCom case. Should I ask one of Arbs directly, or shall I go to WP:ARCA? George Ho (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I want to do something about this title: Something's Gotta Give (song). However, I am doing my best to tone down requests. How many open RM discussions at a time shall I retain? George Ho (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't say there is a limit, really. Just make sure you think an article should be moved because of WP:AT and related pages (and maybe give yourself a quick refresher on them). Another thing is to consider is making technical requests at WP:RMTR -- not everything needs a full-blown discussion. Calidum 03:58, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I went bold and then disambiguated it by adding "Johnny Mercer". I'll change the links soon. George Ho (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 December 2016[edit]

Great Seal of the Realm[edit]

Hi Calidum,

You undid my contribution on the Great Seal of the Realm.

Can you please explain your reason?

The Great Seal of the Realm was not the Great Seal of England prior to the Union. The Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of Great Britain. The Great Seal of England was the Great Seal of the Kingdom of England and the Great Seal of Scotland was the Great Seal of the Kingdom of Scotland. The Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of both Scotland and England. It is a paradox situation as both Scotland and England were separate Kingdoms but part of the same Realm.

Meenmore (talk) 08:33, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Because it's poorly written. Some of that stuff can be incorporated into the article just not the very first sentence. Calidum 13:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The previous lead paragraph is inconsistent with ANNA DEI GRATIA MAGNÆ BRITANNIÆ FRANCIÆ ET HIBERNIÆ REGINA FID[EI] DEFENSOR Anne, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith. The Great Seal of the Realm was called ANNA DEI GRATIA MAGNÆ BRITANNIÆ FRANCIÆ ET HIBERNIÆ REGINA FID[EI] DEFENSOR. The claim that the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of England is contrary to the actual content of the Great Seal of the Realm of that era. I suggest we both edit my contribution to reach a proper lead paragraph. Meenmore (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you learn how to write before attempting to do so, and stop being so vexatious. Calidum 18:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I am from the United Kingdom. You are from the United States. I suggest we both edit my contribution to reach a proper lead paragraph. The lead paragraph is inconsistent with the body of the article. You believe the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of England prior to the Treaty and Acts of Union. This belief is incorrect, the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of Great Britain prior to the Treaty of Union. It is a paradox situation. The Realm included both the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England. The Realm was known as Great Britain. Meenmore (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the history, and our nationalities have nothing to do with this discussion. Calidum 02:09, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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ANI[edit]

I mentioned about your behavior on ANI but I specifically asked readers to ignore the person, just comment on the behavior. FYI. Lakeshake (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I reverted your edit to User talk:DrKay[edit]

Hi Calidum. I'm leaving you this note because I had to perform a manual reversion of your edit to User talk:DrKay. Deleting other users' comments on someone else's talk page is contrary to WP:TPG#EDIT and is specifically covered in WP:NOBAN with a reference to the aforementioned guideline. If you think that the user is canvassing or "extorting" someone, you are welcome to file a case at WP:ANI. Censoring somebody else's talk page is not the appropriate response. Please let me know if you have any questions! AlexEng(TALK) 22:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for your reply at ANI, where I posted a note saying I now understand where you were coming from. Alls well, carry on NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. I admittedly was frustrated and probably overreacted some. Calidum 02:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:American Idol (season 11)[edit]

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This week's article for improvement (week 52, 2016)[edit]

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About Tampopo/Tanpopo and/or In ictu oculi[edit]

I don't know what to do about Tanpopo (band), Tanpopo (disambiguation), and Tampopo (film) without being bold. I have an urge to move boldly and then do the RMs. However, I can't without discussing this with you. Look at stats. Seems that 'm' and 'n' is distinguishable enough, no?

Also, Tampopo/Tanpopo is not the only case. Look at the page move In ictu oculi causes. I don't know how much cleanup I can make. I tried talking to him, but he personally made a comment about me at my user talk page and told me that he doesn't want to collaborate with me. I don't know whether to take this to ANI or AN, but my reputation is on the line. I have to be cautious about my next move. I tried Ss112, but he sounded almost reluctant to take this to ANI and to talk to IIO. What else shall I do?

On the note, I don't think IIO means any harm. I don't think IIO was exactly harmful to the project. Maybe he needs to be careful also. --George Ho (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Wait... I have a thought. What if I can take this to WT:WPDAB? They can handle the situation, right? George Ho (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I really don't know enough about the articles in question to give much of an opinion. As for IIO, I think my thoughts on him are clear from our past interactions. Calidum 15:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Somehow, IIO removed the dabs and reverted the titles back to where they were. However, shall we discuss IIO at the WikiProject discussion? ANI is out of option for now. George Ho (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Red Icarus[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. —ATS 🖖 talk 20:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Looks like everything has been taken care of. Calidum 02:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 17 January 2017[edit]

RfC Notice[edit]

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Politics of Taiwan[edit]

I want to discuss the redirect page "Politics of Taiwan" at RFD. I'm planning to retarget it to History of Taiwan. However, if I take this to RFD, would I reignite the the China/Taiwan vs. official name debate? Shall I propose this? --George Ho (talk) 10:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)