User talk:Calton/Archive08

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Prune tang[edit]

You added the references tag to this article. I added a reference and removed the tag. You added the tag again. What's insufficient about my reference? It is from a scholarly, peer reviewed paper documenting this movement-in-the-making. I'm not sure I understand your objection. Cheers, Bongout 05:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


Since nobody has answered my question on the Infinitism (religion) deletion discussion, I'll ask you directly. If I create another article, and someone else tags it with {{importance}}, do I have to expand it until the tagger deems it to be important? If not, how do I determine when it is appropriate for me to remove the tag myself? Sketch051 21:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

How about answering my question instead of making demeaning comments about mistakes I've already admitted to as a first time article creator?

  • "Nobody else objecting" is a useless standard, as the tag would have to first be removed, missing the entire point of my asking about how to determine before I remove it if it's acceptable to do so
  • Responding to the tag on the talk page is not "doing nothing"
  • Since you're such a stickler for Wikipedia policy, perhaps you should reevaluate the use of phrases such as "weasel-worded" after reviewing WP:CIVIL; that addition, as I've already said, was an off-the-cuff response to the first {{importance}} tag and no conclusions should be drawn from it. That being said, I'm removing it now to avoid further confusion.

Sketch051 02:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Saying "nobody else objecting" is not the same as saying "ask on the discussion page;" I've repeatedly said that I'm new at this, so get off your high horse and be specific. I did not just remove the tag, I added the comment which you quoted on my talk page; I see now that was not up to your pontifical standards for discussion, but just say so. Once again, as I've said, I'm new at this; your first use of "weasel-worded" without a link just seemed insulting and was not a useful critique. Sketch051 03:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Say what?[edit]

You sent me this:

Tucson Rodeo Parade Museum

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Tucson Rodeo Parade Museum article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! Calton | Talk 01:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Some nitwit inappropriately pasted a lot of nonsense about the rodeo museum on the Tucson, Ariz., entry so I cut/pasted to create a separate page. That's it. I have no clue where they got it. It was just housekeeping. Feel free to delete the material. deleted an article within fifteen minutes of its creation[edit]

while i was posting a message on the talk page, please let it be so that it can be developed.Carstenboswell 02:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)carstenboswell

James Joyce as an atheist[edit]

It's interesting how some people love to just add categories without bothering to provide any useful information in the article itself. I'm pretty sure Joyce would object to just being branded a simple atheist.

While there is no doubt he abandoned the Catholic church in the late 19th century, it's up for debate whether he was an atheist in the strictest definition. He just preferred disdain towards discussion of religion in general after his break with Catholicism, without ever making a distinct statement, although he made cryptic ones - in later life, when asked when he left the Church, his reply was "That's for the Church to say."

It's a testament his unwillingness to even discuss the matter that a few terse statements like these, all in the first 66 pages of the book, and the somewhat amusing fact that whenever he'd start fighting with Nora she'd use the threat of having the children baptized as her final trump card, is all there is about Joyce's religious outlook in Ellmann's massive 900 page biography. - dharmabum 21:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I gathered that your interest was just in the cat tag... thought you'd like some ammunition in case the tagger turns it into a revert war. :)
While I was a science major so have never been forced to study him (outside of a reading of "Araby" in a first-year English course), I acquired an interest in Joyce years ago. The ending of "The Dead" is one of the greatest in Eng. lit, and I've read Portrait a half-dozen times... I loved Ulysses, although I admit it's at times a chore and a good book of annotations is crucial... but Finnegans Wake. I made an effort to actually read it this year. I made it about a third of the way through (comprehending maybe 10% of what I read) and had to stop; it's almost like an exercise in cognative dissonance, it does funny things to your brain. It's wise to be scared of it. - dharmabum 00:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mortimer Gerald Bredon Wimsey, 15th Duke of Denver[edit]

You, sir, are a spoilsport. I put Category:Fictional dukes on the article, after all. ;->

He's at least as important as several of the real nobles we have articles on; but the information is the Duchess and their relations, whom I will be getting to in the next day or so. Septentrionalis 04:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

See what you think now. Septentrionalis 14:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


Hello there! Thanks for the good work on the "clean-up duty" as you put it. May I suggest if you avoid tagging "nonsense" with {{nonsense}}. This tag is specific for Patent nonsense. You may conside {{db-empty}} instead. Cheers! --ΜιĿːtalk 08:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Dutch wives[edit]

I dont think it's a candidate for speedy deletion, not under the "no context" banner. Thethinredline 08:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Whatever... It's been deleted despite my objections. Nevermind Thethinredline 08:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Real Social Dynamics[edit]

Hi Calton,

I see you've marked out this page for speedy deletion. It was originally deleted as it was considered spam - I have no idea what the page looked like in that iteration, but I'm curious as whether you think is there now actually constitutes spam? If you look at my contribution history and my messages on the Talk page, you'll see, I hope, that it's part of a wider creation of information on the Seduction Community which various guys have been updating for a while.

My questions for you then: Are you marking it for speedy deletion because you currently think the page is spam, or is there some deeper reason I'm missing?


WoodenBuddha 13:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

As Shimgray mentions on the talk page, it doesn't fall under CSD G4 - the same content has not been reposted, like you suggest. I'm sorry you feel the entirity of Wikipedia's knowledge of the Seduction Community falls under 'thinly veiled spam' - are you intending to similarly mark all other commercial enterprises which have substantial media coverage and pass the google and alexa tests, as spam? I await Microsoft's speedy deletion tag with glee!

WoodenBuddha 13:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed my last comment about David Cross[edit]

Carlton, I did provide a citation on your talk page [1] yesterday (your most recent reverting edit summary was rv - I'm sorry, but what part of "not important enough for the article, not important enough for a category (even assuming its true)" was unclear? What part of "cite" was unclear?). Please stop reverting this; if you still believe it is something that you believe should not be in the article, please make your case on Talk:David Cross. If you have a problem with the Category itself, there are proper channels for you to express that; deleting references to it is not one of them. If you continue to revert it, you would be in violation of The Three Revert Rule. Thanks -- MicahMN | μ 17:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Pending arbitration[edit]

Please note that I have added a charge against you to the pending arbitration to which you are a party, regarding your alteration and deletion of statements I have made in that case. Monicasdude 03:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The CIA and September 11 (book)[edit]

I hate pestering people's talk pages about AFD votes (or votes at all... it's very bad form really) but I've just done a huge amount of work on this article, and it is probably 80% different from when you voted. I have found a large number of English language references, and I have used <cite> so any reader or editor can identify where each individual statement in the article came from. That ought to deal with WP:V and WP:RS. As for notability, you can make your own decision: the relevant guideline says "Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website, and with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual would qualify". Which doesn't help really, since it's entirely subjective how you are going to compare notability of a best-selling paranoid gutter-press fantasy to a cookbook! If you rank this as below an average cookbook, I'm not going to argue with you :) TheGrappler 04:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


Calton, whether you label them "lectures", "sermons", "homilies" or "hollering sessions", the comments you are leaving are being viewed by many (myself included) as personal attacks. I am asking you to simply check your tone and watch the sarcasm so that people aren't offended needlessly. In addition, it is the business of every Wikipedian to assist in the collaboration process and that is harmed when users don't treat each other with respect. Many regards, EdwinHJ | Talk 14:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion[edit]

Regarding the article Steve White (Baptist pastor and Lexicographer), which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a real person or group of people that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the article claims he has written a book and started a church, which is an assertion of significance. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 15:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Kinky underwear problem[edit]

Hi, I un-prod-ed that. See the talk for my reasons... and AfD it if you'd like... it could use a wider audience. gren グレン 00:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Lionel Woodville[edit]

I removed the speedy from this article. He was the the first person to win an honorary degree from Oxford and a Bishop of Salisbury and therefore a historical figure. I added a verification link, stub and wikified. The articles needs expansion and cleaning up I know. If you still think it needs deletion please prod or AfD. Thanks.--Dakota ~ ° 08:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Rebekah Johnson[edit]

Hi. Thanks for the note. To delete the article on the basis of A7 it would need to meet the criteria defined here. Specifically the fact that the article claims she wrote a song for Kelly Clarkson probably doesn't meet the criteria that "only those articles where there is no remotely plausible assertion of notability should be considered".

With regard to deleting it on the basis of A1 - I would say that, although the article provides little content, it does provide sufficient context to provide expansion (i.e. it describes the individual and her claim to notability enough that she could be researched and the article expanded). Thanks TigerShark 16:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


Calton, are you interested in becoming an admin? It would be my pleasure to nominate you. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm just glad you'll consider it because it's long overdue, but take as long as you like to think it over. As for whatever you said to me, I probably deserved it. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd certainly cast my vote for you -- I've seen you in action long enough to have the idea that your occasional tendency toward tactlessness would be mitigated (rather than amplified) by the responsibilities of adminship. That's one of the reasons I became one myself -- to curb my tendencies to tendentious argument. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Shame it didn't work. Tongue.png SlimVirgin (talk) 08:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
See just how long people who've encountered the "er, straightforward" mode may remember it? I left Peer Review housekeeping because of you. But I've seen you mellow out and do good work over the aeons since, so I guess my vote would be neutral. Bishonen Bishface.tulip.png talk 18:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC).

Re-write of Terrorism[edit]

Someone is attempting a massive POV re-write of Terrorism; would you mind taking a look? Much appreciated. Jayjg (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


Hey, does this look strikingly familiar? T K E 19:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

WPCP was posted in error, ask before you block.[edit] We've never had a copyright notice posted on our sites, posters or printed materials... So as a result of this, uninformed attack: we've adopted this new policy on the site:

Text and Images are freely available provided there is a URL/link to (Public Domain with source)

//Wiki policy --It is not the job of rank-and-file Wikipedians to police content for possible copyright infringement, but if you suspect one, you should at the very least bring up the issue on that page's talk page

It would have been nice to at least ask first. Almost all PUBLICLY FUNDED institutions, like City/State/Fed Governments release their materials to the public, since the public OWNS the materials. The site clearly states that it is publicly and privatly funded through grants.

//-- policy of the Library of congress (another org that has the same policy that we do) Ref: About Copyright and the Collections

Whenever possible, the Library of Congress provides factual information about copyright owners and related matters in the catalog records, finding aids and other texts that accompany collections. As a publicly supported institution, the Library generally does not own rights in its collections. Therefore, it does not charge permission fees for use of such material and generally does not grant or deny permission to publish or otherwise distribute material in its collections. Permission and possible fees may be required from the copyright owner independently of the Library. It is the researcher's obligation to determine and satisfy copyright or other use restrictions when publishing or otherwise distributing materials found in the Library's collections. Transmission or reproduction of protected items beyond that allowed by fair use requires the written permission of the copyright owners. Researchers must make their own assessments of rights in light of their intended use.


Please stop being a dick. Thanks. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 02:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sheila Liaugminas[edit]

Thanks for the note. The policy on deletion of vanity articles states that "only those articles where there is no remotely plausible assertion of notability should be considered". The fact that the article asserts she is a host on Relevant Radio, would seem to provide at least a "remotely plausible assertion of notability" - hence my unspeedying.

Whether or not the article is expanded now, it does not meet the speedy criteria. Thanks TigerShark 04:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That's weird: I never used the word "vanity" in my note. I did note how the article failed to transcend the standards for CSD A3 and CSD A7 -- and why leaving an essentially empty page discourages the creation of actual stubs, none of which is addressed in your reply. --Calton | Talk 04:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
The policy on deletion of vanity articles is an expansion of the criteria for A7. With regard to A3 the article 1) has content 2) does not consist only if links elsewhere and 3) is not a rephrasing of the title. You also mentioned A1 in your first post, but the article seems to provide sufficient context for expansion (i.e. it describes why she may be notable).
Whether leaving any empty page discourage the creation of an actual stub, is perhaps arguable on the basis that the article is not linked from anywhere else. Having it as a stub probably makes it more likely to be picked up. Either way, it does not match the criteria for speedy deletion - so please follow the proposed deletion or AfD route instead. Thanks TigerShark 05:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
With regard to A3 the article 1) has content.... That's really weird: I highlighted the relevant portions of the template text so you wouldn't be confused, yet you still cite the irrelevent sections as if they had some sort of connection with what I wrote. Maybe this confusion is related to your irrelevant application of vanity-bio standards to something which was not and has never been claimed by myself to be a vanity bio. It also casts doubt on your ability to recognize whether something "clearly" is not a speedy candidate, no?
For some object lessons, see:
the article is not linked from anywhere else.' A sure sign of the subject's importance, eh?
Time for a sing-along!:
Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great!
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate!

--Calton | Talk 05:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes you did highlight A1 in you initial post, but then you raised A3 in you post at 4:57am without specifying which sub criteria of A3 you meant. I therefore addressed all three criteria to be on the safe side. Although you haven't directly used the word vanity, the policy on deletion of vanity articles is an expansion of the criteria for A7 - and is therefore relevant to a discussion on A7. Do you have an objection to pursuing the "proposed deletion" route, which seems suitable as the question of notability may be controversial? Thanks TigerShark 05:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude[edit]


An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Johnleemk | Talk 00:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

A comment[edit]

They should name a wikipedia civility award after you. -- MicahMN | μ 01:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


You have made my latest Quote of the Week, and it's also my 2,000th edit. Rock on wid' cher bad self. TeKE 04:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

"very realistic props"[edit]

Extremely well put, and the only way to properly describe infant "actors". Thanks for the laugh. Fan1967 03:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

S.C.I.F.I. World[edit]

Recently wrote up an article upon S.C.I.F.I. World/Temp.DrWho42 17:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

..Eh, could the copyright violation bit be torn down to make way for its replacement? It's what has influenced Sci Fi Channel to show merely marathons every weekday thereon to this very day. DrWho42 06:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for taking an interest in my notice at WP:AN/I. It's admittedly a minor incident, so a minor resolution was all that was needed... however hard it was to get. I appreciate it. Tijuana Brass 18:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks[edit]

I noticed you reverted my edits that removed the personal attacks against a subject of an article. I understood that personal attacks should be removed. Could you please explain to me why you reverted this?--JohnnyCanuck 00:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


Please stop your vandalism --JohnnyCanuck 00:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Before you make edits read over hte personal attacks, don't just make assumptions--JohnnyCanuck 00:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The whole page is full of false info. from one user, read it and check the facts--JohnnyCanuck 01:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Schartz[edit]

I'm genuinely curious why the Stephen Schwartz article took such a turn for the worse and why all traces of earlier editions were expunged. You wrote "Thank God for small favors" about my comment on the Talk page, "I'm not going to contribute to the article anymore."

That was petty. I guess it's my fault for opening the door to a comment like that, but nevertheless it was petty of you to leap so greedily through the doorway and bare your true spirit with so much aplomb. Griot 01:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

CFR/CFD civility, your lack of[edit]

What a bizarre concept that CFR/CFD regulars decision to delete categories be interupted by people who actually create and use them. Please make future CFR/CFD nominations in compliance with WP:CIVIL. Tim! 07:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Stop hand.svg

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. Tim! 07:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ashlee Simpson remixes[edit]

The nominator attempted to nominate other articles along with this one..."

Noooo, the nominator investigated whether there were any precedents other than the one he remembered -- the Mariah Carey remix list discussion -- and finding none, asked people's opinion on the applicability of the same standard applied previously -- and possibly to be applied in the current nomination. --Calton | Talk 10:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you said, this is the sentence that raised the issue: "If these lists are inappropriate, should these be nuked/merged, too?" At least one other editor (Ned Scott) thought you were including those other three lists in the nomination, so I was making the situation clear to anyone else who might read the debate. --bainer (talk) 10:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


LOL!! I wondered about the wisdom of offering that. Maybe I can set up a dedicated gmail address. :-) E-mail for you, by the way; just FYI, no response needed unless you want to. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Links to links[edit]

On Gordon Ramsay you deleted an external link, saying "Hey, an external link that leads to...a list of other links! No, I don't think so". Is there a clear wikipolicy on this. The reason I ask is that such a link seems to be a good solution to a dispute in which I am involved. The problem is that there is a page for an organisation (a Catholic diocese, but my query is more about the principle than the specific case) which has 140 related organisations operating under its auspices. An editor is determined to place a link to just one of these: a particularly contentious body. I would hold that highly selective adding of links is non-NPOV. Clearly links to all 140 diocesan organisations is not a suitable use of wikipedia, and so I attempted to compromise with a link to the list of diocesan organisations: the other party does not seem willing to accept this. My solution would seem to fall foul of the rule you have invoked in the Gordon Ramsey case, but it would be interesting to know whether that rule is a wiki policy. Thanks Kevin McE 08:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

a disruptive user[edit]

Your view on an earlier MfD occasion was :-

"Delete. It's an IP page, not a User page. If he wants a real User page, let him register a goddamned account like everyone else. --Calton | Talk 02:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)"

Would you take note of this User_talk: and the user associated with it and his contributions, please? I think a new MfD on it may be in order, or possibly other actions. Midgley 10:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Stephen Schwartz (journalist)[edit]

Calton —

Can I ask why on Earth you deleted the link to the archives of the Stephen Schwartz talk page? If you've never noticed that talk page archives get kept and linked, I suggest you start participating in more talk page discussions.

Frankly, I thought your behaviour on that page has been both insulting and patronizing, but I haven't yet been able to understand whether this was out of a genuine desire to keep old histories hidden forever, or whether you were just sucking up to an administrator. Either option seems childish, so I'm at a loss. Surely even you can understand, though, that there is no point in an archive which no one can reach. While Michael Snow may have felt slighted that I opened the histories, he responded by archiving the page, not by re-deleting them. You then chose to make those archives inaccessible, while (pretty rudely) not even making an edit summary.

So what was your motive? This whole business has confused the hell out of me, so that question wasn't rhetorical — I'm actually asking. How does it benefit the project to keep people from reaching talk page archives or seeing version histories? Please let me know, — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 14:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.[edit]

Thank you for correcting my mistake at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marduk in popular culture. I was wrong to close it, and I'm glad that there are those who still have the courage to reverse others when they are wrong. I'd also like to note that I forgot to take my medication yesterday and was in a rather horrible mood—although it doesn't forgive my terrible judgement call, it may help to explain it to some degree. In any case, I'm glad that the right thing happened eventually. Thanks again, I really do appreciate it. If there's anything I can do for you, please let me know.--Sean Black (talk?) 21:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review (Simon Strelchik)[edit]

Calton, it's hard to say what to do here. I have the feeling the whole sockpuppet thing is sort of like the O.J. case: the LAPD framed a guilty man. In other words, if all the puppets were subtracted from the three AfDs, I'm still not sure what the result would be. I'm guessing it would not be a consensus for deletion. (No, I'm not willing to do the math, but it looks like there have been a few attempts, themselves possibly puppet-infested.)

I don't think the presence of sockpuppets supporting an article necessarily justifies its deletion, if the article is otherwise supportable. I think Canadian Federal election candidates from the major parties can reasonably be considered suitable for articles, but I can be persuaded otherwise. We'll see how it goes. In any case, thanks for the clarification about the accounts confirmed by CheckUser to be socks. (I agree that the whole VaughanWatch think, unlike Simon Strelchik et al., was totally out of control.) Cheers, MCB 06:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Sir, Having read your comments on this Deletion review, may I politely ask how many edits it is necessary to have undertaken (and am I right in assuming that you would only count constructive and unchallenged/unreverted edits) before one is qualified to comment on DRvs (and, I would assume, also AFD and similar issues) ?? Clearly, if such a qualification is required, then I have been an egregious offender -- Simon Cursitor 11:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


I lived at Barrington from 1974-78, and Rochdale Village 1978-81. I was board rep from both houses and had a great time in the co-op. I think I'm still an alumni member -- I went to one of the big anniversary dinners a few years ago in Berkeley, and they keep sending me stuff. Rewriting the Barrington article is one of my to-do list items; the present article does not do it justice. The USCA has a pretty decent amount of historical material that would be good for source material. Cheers, MCB 05:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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London Underground[edit]

Hello there! I thought I'd discuss this here, but we can move elsewhere if you'd rather. I don't think it is excluding United Statesians to call this . a full stop in a British-subject article, since I think the meaning is clear from context. Equally, in a US-themed article, period would be clear. However, writing all possible names like that seems rather informal and unencyclopedic, apart from ugly, and invites people to do the same every time there is an alternative word. As I'm sure you've experienced, this is in a lot of places. If there is a potential for confusion, as in the word is little-known outside the country, is unguessable from context, has a different, contradictory meaning outside the country, etc, then a more neutral word is often chosen, or the alternative provided in brackets once. In this case, I think people will gather the meaning from context, and the word is fairly self-explanatory. Perhaps we could wiki-link the word so that anyone who really can't work out what it means is not 'excluded'? Skittle 02:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Having found this at the article Full stop, I have decided nobody could possibly be excluded unlike they would be already excluded by the basic wikipedia policy of BE in British-themed articles, and thus wouldn't have reached this far having been sent mad by the mention of railways :-) I will, however, wikilink it to give everybody every possible chance. Skittle 02:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

"A full stop or period, also called a full point, is the punctuation mark commonly placed at the end of several different types of sentences in English and several other languages. A full stop consists of a small dot placed at the end of a line of text, such as at the end of this sentence.

The term full stop is less common in the United States and Canada, but is generally differentiated from period in contexts where both might be used: a full stop is specifically a delimiting piece of punctuation that represents the end a sentence."

I did not say it was standard or well-known in America, just that it was guessable in context. I have wikilinked it to help people. Meanwhile, think about what international means and read wikipolicy on BE/AE if you haven't already. (I'll find the link) The Full stop article also suggests it is known in America, if not widely used.
[[3]] :-)

There was no need to bite user:jooler. Why are you acting so oddly about this? People try to change an article to conform to the manual of style (linked above) and you revert them and slap them with sarcasm. It's almost trollish, which suggests you've got rather worked up about it. Maybe a few deep breaths would help? 12:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

"Hiding"? I forgot to sign in. However, I put it here as a continuation of the conversation, so you might have guessed there was no hiding involved. I have read your comments (as was clear from me commenting on them earlier), and find them reminicent of trolls I have known. From this I conclude you are stressed, since you clearly cannot be like this all the time. user:jooler has some silly userboxes on not understanding AE, but they are just that. Silly user boxes. You can't use that to justify reverting his edit; it is not a reason. Nor are they a reason to be rude to him. Meanwhile, you are claiming (I assume, since your position is even more ridiculous if not) not to be able to understand BE, which is the exact counterpoint to Jooler's userboxes. Except Jooler only acted in a manner consistent with the manual of style.

You seem to have massive problems with the word Full Stop, and I don't know why. If you despise consistency so much, there is nothing I can do except suggest that an inconsistent article is a poor article, and recognised as such throughout the pedia.

If you're going to rely on aphorisms, perhaps think on 'Quotes are a substitute for thought'.

Ta ta. Skittle 15:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your recent support, Calton. SlimVirgin (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Players Committee[edit]

All of the articles I have just created are not vanity, my name is not Mike Carr. These are relevant articles pertaining to SW:CCG, please know what it is before deciding to dismiss it and delete it. CBenoit 12:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Second rude edit to Animal Rights[edit]

You have reverted my edits twice now and on both occasions have not addressed my stated reasons on the talk page. I would be obliged to you to explain your reasons on the talk page to try to reach consensus. Mccready 13:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


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I restored the Winter-een-mas articles because there is more information now, and the CAD article does not cover it in enough depth. I was still working on fleshing the article out with another Wikipedian. I thought I had explained this well enough on that talk page, but I must not have. I plan on restoring the article, again, in the near future, but I would like your input, mostly so we don't run in circles.

Liastnir 03:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

If you had actually read the AfD debate properly, Calton, you would have seen the consensus was to redirect and merge. This was on the basis of a section in the CAD article about WEM. This no longer exists, and as pointed out by TexasDex on the talk page for Winter-een-mas, the debate was years ago and is no longer relevant, as several attempts have been made to recreate the page. I'll assume good faith and leave it as a redirect, but if it's created again please don't blank it without at least checking it has been merged into Ctrl+Alt+Del. Feel free to reply on my talk page if you think anything else needs saying. --Tim 15:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The merge didn't really happen. The information was quite scant, where there used to be an entire section if I remember right. But the AfD is incorrect. A major gaming chain (EB Games) recognizes it, as do gaming groups across the country. Sweetest Day and other holidays had worse starts. I think its now a real holiday, with real recognition. And the merge was substandard Liastnir 17:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

You seem to not like the idea of a gaming store recognizing a gaming holiday, comparing it to KFC recognizing a chicken eating day.... what does that have to do with the validity of the article? I'd like to counter with Hallmark creating holidays and cards, and the US government recognizing the birthdays of past Presidents. Of course thats what happens. Im not a Muslim, I don't participate in Ramadan. Gaming stores would recognize a gaming holiday, along with all these campus groups and individuals out there. But, really, this is a digression. Are you still totally opposed to the article? Liastnir 13:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I can read quite well, thanks though. It was your lack of response that made me assume you were ok with it. Liastnir 12:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but please could you post a point-by-point list of reasons you don't want Winter-een-mas to have it's own article? Either on my talk page or the talk page for the article itself - I'll see it either way. Thanks --Tim 15:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis of the Satire of Eric "Erod" Brown[edit]

Moved from the top Excuse me for this edit, remove it as your pleasure. Ref: Synopsis of the Satire of Eric "Erod" Brown.

  • The article is as it states, is a synopsis of a particular Satire. Since it is explicitly stated that it's a Satire, and indeed is entitled "Satire", the audience should have no trouble in understanding the extent of the inherent veracity. In addition, if such satires as George Orwell's Animal Farm and Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream can be included, than even those of lesser popularity should as well.
  • I understand that it could possibly be seen as vandalism, but is the audience cannot understand what the word "satire" means, they should look it up on Wikipedia and not use it as complete fact, though as satire it includes a great deal of factual accounts and has its own worth in research.
  • Furthermore, Wikipedia contains endless volumes of Bad Jokes, Examples of Vandalism, etc. etc., all with the intent of displaying humor. Though I do not wish to debate who has the right to decide what is humorous and what is not, since I am not commiting any infractions of Wikipedia Policy, I must protest.

Thank you for your time and considerations.--Relex333 00:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Then, rather than flaunting about your displaced anger, why not be semi-hospitable and move it to a forum or section where it could be accepted, or attempt to explain to me how to move it to such an appropiate section. You insult your own intelligence by feeling the need to take offense to everything, if I wanted to badmouth you I would. You're an admin, you volunteer your time to keep the status quo, I understand and appreciate it. Whether or not you wish to accept my genteel stance is up to you. But hey, I'm just a red-headed stepchild who gets abused, don't take my opinions seriously. --Relex333 01:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let us assume that I wanted to make this work a prime example of what not to do, how would I go about that? --Relex333 01:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean, not remove a comment I made, but that was completely ignored by you? Isn't this addition of a comment altering your talk page? Besides, it is a page in wikipedia, which means the public can edit it. --Relex333 06:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Busted[edit]

If you want to purse the matter, yes. Most of the articles I wrote aren't about writers. Also, why are you doing this? You know that Wikipedia isn't liable for copyright violations that it isn't aware are occurring? There's absolutely no reason to be doing this!--Primetime 00:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Good detective work, Calton. I've had some minor differences with this editor before, but the posting above is remarkably obtuse, as if he had no idea of what the problem is. The news from Wiktionary is grim. I looked over there and saw numerous complaints from a variety of editors, plus revert warring today by puppets on his favorite word, wikt:give. It appears that the copied material here is not readily searchable by Google. Some, like "Anna Cora Mowatt", may be so obvious, and have had so few other edits that the solution is clear. In other cases it may be complicated. I'm most worried about future edits. -Will Beback 06:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I would add that I'm highly suspicious about jeu-parti, rigaudon, and trouvère, despite the fact that some sort of bibliography accompanies those. The bulk additions of content, general relationship between the subject matter, and the fact that the introductions are not really in Wikipedia style for the two that were created new, gives me the sense that they may have come from a specialized reference work. My guess is that the bibliography itself was copied from that source, rather than Primetime using those works in his own "research" (I note that a number of the sources are in French, and while Primetime apparently knows Spanish, I've no reason to believe he has the skills to properly study and synthesize specialized academic works in French). --Michael Snow 17:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought so. We still need to check everything else out, though. --Michael Snow 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude closed[edit]

This arbitration case is closed.

Monicasdude is placed on standard civility parole for one year. If he makes any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then he may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses. Monicasdude is banned from making edits related to the deletion process (excepting obvious vandalism and copyright problems) for one year. This is to be interpreted broadly, and includes, but is not limited to, commenting on articles for deletion nominations and removals of nominations for proposed deletion and speedy deletion. He may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses. After 5 such blocks, the maximum block time is increased to a year.

Should Monicasdude violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be briefly blocked, up to a week for repeat offenses. After 5 such blocks, the maximum block time is increased to a year. All blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Monicasdude#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Ryan Delaney talk 08:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

John Patrick Looney[edit]

Caltron, is the possible copyright violation you are referring to the second post on the webpage? If so then they lifted the info from the Wiki article. Look at the dates when the Wiki article was created and when the other post was made. The only source I used in writing the article was the Rock Island Argus.

notyouravgjoe | Talk 19:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Caltron, the text you claim that I copied was not entered on September 14, 2005. The text you claim that I copied was a reply to the September 14, 2005 article. The reply to the article was posted on March 1, 2006. You have to scroll down to the reply and look at the date the reply (which you say I copied) was posted. I did not copy this text. They copied it from Wiki as the Wiki article was created 4 months prior to the posting of the text in question. notyouravgjoe | Talk 12:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC

Proposed event policy for Wikicalendar[edit]

I recently posted some ideas about developing criteria for what should and should not be listed on Wikicalendar events at the Wikicalendar's talk page. Since you're actively involved in this project, I thought I'd let you know so that you can comment or add more suggestions. Thanks :). Fabricationary 00:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Kaiser Permanente needs an RFC[edit]

On Pansophia's conduct with links, mainly. The blogs are back in. I'm doubtful whether an RFC will fix it, but that seems a first step. Would you agree? Midgley 02:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

This the same comment I left for Rhobite. Midgley is running around recruiting people to harass me. You're helping a guy who is retaliating because he got caught spoofing someone else's username. Helping Invisible Anon was the right thing to do, and helping Midgley with punishing the good guys only sets a bad precedent that will discourage people from trying to help each other when there's a serious attack going on - such as trolling under someone else's username. Please refer to the "don't be a dick" policy: --Pansophia 04:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC) and Kaiser Permanente In progress. Midgley 19:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Cowhig move[edit]

See first item in history: [4] I'm not sure what happened here, but when you moved this guy's article about himself to his user page, an invisible character got appended onto the user name, so it wound up in the wrong place: [5] Probably just a fluke, but I thought you might want to know. Cheers, FreplySpang (talk) 06:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Giovanni Agnelli[edit]

What exactly did you find "unsafe" about the edits to the Giovanni Agnelli page? You seem to have thrown the baby out with the wash by reverting the edits made. You eliminated legitimate categories and factual information. Doc 13:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Primetime articles[edit]

Based on my new evidence, I've decided to just get rid of the lot. If you really still want to go the library and trace where all of it came from, I can always email you the deleted stuff, but at this point I doubt it's worth your effort. --Michael Snow 16:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, so I've gathered. I take everything with a grain of salt (especially what he says). I can't refuse someone's appeal (although I probably should). I'll take a (cursory) look over the articles he mentioned, but I doubt I'll find anything of interest (besides what you have already found). I agree entirely that his comments have gone right over the line (he doesn't seem to think plagarism is that much of a problem). BrokenSegue 04:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

My RFC[edit]

Can you please explain why you removed my RFC against Curps? If you don't I will have to report you at AIV.

Actuarial Outpost[edit]

Hi, Calton, thank you for your interest in the Afd discussion. Have you had the opportunity to ask your actuarial friend? Thanks. -- Avi 18:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Holden McNeil[edit]

Why are you reverting my edits... it shouldn't be linked, it should be written and then expanded upon. If someone's searching for Holden McNeil, they're looking for the character, not the movie(s) the character has been in. It's even linked on the Chasing Amy, and all it does is redirect itself. Dan 23:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with the "searching for Chasing Amy" bit. If someone's looking for the movie, I guarantee you anyone with a brain is going to use Google, not Chasing Amy. Your overall point, though, is well made. ;) Dan 03:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Evidence of WP misbehavior by Jack Sarfatti[edit]

Hi, Calton, you don't know me but we have both had our user pages vandalized by Sarfatti socks. I have felt for some time a continuing need to document Sarfatti's most flagrant misbehavior. It seems that despite his permaban he continues to edit as an anon, and I have noticed evidence of him adding inappropriate comments in the wikibiographies of person whom he apparently dislikes, as well as edits of archived (!) Talk:Jack Sarfatti discussions.

I tried hard to maintain WP:NPOV on the new documentation page but would like a second opinion. If you have chance, you might drop by, take a look, and comment in my own talk page.

It has not escaped my attention that unfortunately, simply trying to document Sarfatti's behavior is likely to send him over the edge again when he notices the new page, and bring about the very thing I wish to avoid, namely more trouble from Sarfatti! But he seems to be so volatile that he might "fly off the handle" for all kinds of reasons having nothing to do with the new page.---CH 02:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

There has been a new twist in this affair. See also below. ---CH 22:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit resumes[edit]

Which CSD do you believe this falls under :)? Also, please consider using a more specific db template - thanks! RN 08:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - somebody beat me to it it looks like :). RN 09:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Something Green and Leafy[edit]

What makes you nominate Something Green And Leafy This Way Comes for speedy deletion and not the other half-dozen album stubs I created for this same band? It's a stub and is in the process of being completed. Xinit 03:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't use AOL[edit]

I don't use AOL, it's not me. NSLE (T+C) at 05:18 UTC (2006-05-25)

Besides, my custom sig includes a custom timestamp, signed with three tildes :P NSLE (T+C) at 05:18 UTC (2006-05-25)

Troubling patterns of edits and what to do about them[edit]

Can you drop by my user talk page? User:ObsidianOrder and User:Omegatron are very upset by my recent activity correlating anon IPs with each other and in a few cases mentioning an apparent real life identity in connection with concern over possible conflict of interest. I think they have seriously misunderstood my actions and intentions, but Obsidian is threatening to ArbCom me and Omegatron seems to think I posted personal contact information, which is absolutely not true. ---CH 22:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Barbara Bauer[edit]

Just thought I'd let you know that I've added Barbara Bauer to WP:DRV, as you've expressed an interest in the page. JulesH 08:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

My tagging for speedy deletion[edit]

As I understood it, I was following the rules. I was on recent pages patrol, and I thought that JulesH's articles were written as soapboxing and consumer advocacy and clearly disparaged the subject by using the superlative "worst." If I did something against policy here, I'm entirely open to change, but I don't think it's right that someone's business, which may or may not be notable, remains written about with a negative slant for the weeks or months it takes for someone to take enough of an interest to provide a NPOV. So tell me, what am I supposed to do if confronted with this again? Erik the Rude 14:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Your AfD comments on Carson Daly Productions[edit]

I've lurked in AfD for a while now and have made a few nominations to help make Wikipedia better, and I can see how you got frustrated with a certain user's contributions to discussions. I've noticed that he always votes to keep, and makes vague comments, often without any basis in accepted policy. He might as well say, "Keep it because I like it and it's important to me." are users like this and their non-arguments taken seriously by the closing admin?

Also, feel free to let me know how I should've handled the speedy deletions of the literary agent pages. I thought I was following policy. Erik the Rude 17:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Apartheid (disambiguation)[edit]

I should notify you that you will have violated the 3RR rule if you revert one more time and could be blocked.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 08:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Your recent comments[edit]

Perhaps you didn't think I'd notice, but things like "And as for User:Badlydrawnjeff -- jeezus, I do NOT know what his major malfunction is, but insulting my intelligence with obvious nonsense is the surest way to get MY goat. He's badly in need of a clue-by-four regarding basic encyclopedic standards -- such as proving something is true or at least offering some evidence it is -- and his faith-based approach to keeping every sliver of anything is truly annoying" certainly aren't appreciated. It seems like it's a general issue, though, with edit summaries like "Reading not your strong suit?" and your summaries at apartheid [6] [7] [8].

Please consider taking a look at WP:CIVIL sometime before you get burned by someone you don't want to get burned by. If you have an issue with how I deal with things, i'm certainly easy to contact, and you might want to take a look at some of my contributions before making such a blanket comment like that in the future. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 16:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Maxwell (surname) contains a lot of the same information, but the actual text is different, and contains references this time. So I left it in place.

Incidentally, the link there is curious. It might be a clue as to the sources of some of the now-deleted texts, but it would require somebody with an account there to trace them, which isn't particularly necessary. --Michael Snow 05:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Please impart your common sense brick unto me!!!![edit]

OK, you called the WR members "loathsome trolls" - don't you think, for example, people should be given another chance every now and then if someone is willing to mentor them? Also, you seem to be implying that everyone who goes there is somehow guilty - can you please explain to me why this isn't a really bad case of guilt by association? I personally think they have some valid points there. Yes, I realize there is quite a bit of trolling, but everyone has a valid point every now and then - do you agree :)? (hey, I like conversation :)) RN 05:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ouch! Well, I got what I asked for :) (I feel like I'm back at college, challenging the professor to a duel, and forgot to study!). Sorry for not being specific and I'll try to be prepared next time (BTW no aggressiveness intended, just wanted to talk) :)! Thank you! :)RN 06:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Clueless, eh?[edit]

Wildly clueless? Not really. A little quick, and possibly misinformed? Perhaps. Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 15:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Caveh Zahedi prod[edit]

Hi Calton. I've removed your prod for Zahedi - the guy is obviously notable. 76,000 Google hits, most on reputable sites, lots of discussion regarding his work, lots of interviews etc. Regards, - Gobeirne 06:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of technologies in Civilization III[edit]

Please remember to be civil, even if you feel you are being attacked yourself. Cheers. -- cds(talk) 12:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

WHY delete the GLA Page?[edit]

Why did you delete the GLA Structures page for the Command & Conquer Generals? While not the USA or China ones also? Are you racist against Middle Eastern Indivuals? The pages were all the same. If you clean up clean them all! Quit being racist!

-CS_California - {{Subst:unsigned|User:Cs california|05:23, June 5, 2006

Sorry about the accusition I seem to copy the wrong name. I noticed you delete a lots of files. I want to ask you how much information must be on a page so it does not get deleted? I want to be careful about how I start off my pages and I dont want to use the sand box. -CS_California - —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Cs california (talkcontribs) 05:50, June 5, 2006

An apology[edit]

I'm sorry for crediting you with making progress. Everyking 06:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)