User talk:Calum

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W. H. Grattan Flood[edit]

Can you please explain which precepts of WP:NPOV that you feel W. H. Grattan Flood violates? Where are there conflicting opinions that require their POV that you feel are not properly represented? -- Avi 03:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on Grattan Flood or his career, but the one book of his I am familiar with (The Story of the Bagpipe) is a pile of unremitting nonsense from start to finish, which to me makes the tone of this article highly suspect. Just going through the article we find phrases like: "renowned musicologist and historian", "key and enduring works", "scholarly works were seminal", "impeccably researched monographs", and so on. And, more seriously, I've just noticed that the majority of the text is copied from
Hope this helps, anyway -- Calum 16:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Using platitudionous phraseology is not a violation of WP:NPOV per se. Wikipedia:The perfect article does recommend “is engaging; uses varied sentence lengths and patterns; language is descriptive and colorful while still maintaining encyclopedic tone.” So it may not be perfect, but I do not believe it is a WP:NPOV violation, and I plan on removing the tag. However, I will look into the copyvio issue, and see if it is an issue, whether it can be fixed, or if more drastic measures need to be taken. Thank you! -- Avi 18:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Pastoral Pipes[edit]

The pastoral pipe chanter is massively different from any other kind of chanter that was played in Britain around the time of its invention [...] In my opinion, the Pastoral pipe was invented outright, not derived from another kind of bagpipe. However, some original research is needed here, which isn't Wikipedia's job. Calum 05:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I see what you mean; the pastoral pipe chanter is different to any other pipe played in Britain at that time. Although it used a Scottish fingering style I’m surprised the highland pipers didn’t keep it going as it had a second octave? Although not being a highland pipe player myself, I couldn’t comment on the bag pressure needed to reach it.

I found out some information though, (McCandless 2005), states the first pictorial reference to a pastoral pipe occurs in London at a play called “The Beggers Opera” in 1727. This opera was popular in its time due to the influx of Italian music and was called a pastoral play due to its theme of Shepard’s.

It featuring an en masse dance led by a bagpipe. At the time William Hogarth (1697-1764) was a fan, and one of his engravings features a bellow blown bagpipe from the opera that closely resembles the pastoral pipe in Geoghegan’s tune book. The Beggars Opera, mirrored musical trends at the time and (Bates 1967) cited in (McCandless 2005), says “rancorous oboes” manufactured in London were also called pastoral. This may indicate why the bagpipes called the Pastoral pipes, also the operas was set in the colourful backwater of “Newgate prison” and the term “new pipes” could derive from this.

I posted the same reply on the pastoral pipes page. I also included a link to the (McCandless 2005) essay on the pastoral pipe link, if you want to look at it.Celtic Harper 01:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

To my mind, the fingering system the pastoral pipes used has nothing more to do with Scottish GHB fingering than does any other nine note bagpipe. It certainly would not be a comfortable conversion for most pipers. My personal opinion is that the pastoral bagpipe was the invention of an expert instrument maker who was out to fleece the Romantics. Certainly most of the early evidence points to pastoral and Uilleann bagpipes being owned for the most part by people who could afford to pay for an expensive and difficult to manufacture instrument. Calum 06:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bagpipe world cup article[edit]

I see your point as well ... perhaps this is a candidate for an AFD? I was just trying to cleanup some orphaned articles. DJ CreamityOh Yeah! 16:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

sheet music on Wikisource[edit]

Hi, you are mentioned on s:Help:Sheet music, a page I have only now found after having been around the traps a while. Anyway, Wikisource is going to be spending the next week focusing on sheet music. At this stage, the intention is to ignore technical limitations, and focus on creating some valuable sheet music (as PDFs or images). Please take a look at s:Wikisource:Sheet music, suggest ideas and spread the word. John Vandenberg (talk) 09:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of pipe makers[edit]

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AfD nomination of List of pipe makers[edit]

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I'm curious what references you used to determine which people should be listed. Please join the discussion. The article can easily be saved. Dream Focus 11:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Border country listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Para you modded in Great Highland Bagpipe[edit]

Greetings, while I share your concerns about Braveheart/Sir Walter Scott - derived pseudo-history of the pipes, please re-read the paragraph you modded: It no longer flows or makes sense, and one sentence is a fragment. It may definitely be that your deletions were correct and the info was wrong, but the chop disordered the whole paragraph. Please either re-insert correct data, or else chop out the rest of the paragraph. The paragraph was about banning pipes, and with mention of said bans removed the mentions of the various assimilations and legal acts make no sense. Please re-read and note what needs to be updated. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Aye, quite right. I'm not one for knocking Scott though - he knew a damn sight more than most, and he certainly didn't think they had been banned (the whole thing springs from some rubbish written in the preface to an early piobaireachd collection by persons unknown). Calum (talk) 23:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


As an outsider of the project in the past am trying to resurrect WikiProject Pipe Bands viz - any thoughts suggestions or otherwise would be appreciated - cheers SatuSuro 00:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

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