User talk:Camembert/archive 2
As someone who has previously contributed to music-related articles, consider this a cordial, engraved invitation to participate in the discussion at List of songwriters/temp. I think this page can actually be useful instead of a random list of songwriters, but more input is needed. Tokerboy 03:17 Feb 12, 2003 (UTC)
Nice work on the Vivaldi/Four Seasons page... I seriously need to work on my formatting abilities. Thanks a lot. :) - Goatasaur 02:52 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)
I'm terribly impressed with you zapping Braunau am Inn Austria before I'd even got round to formulating a request. Do you do party tricks and guess the contents of people's bags an ting too? :) Nevilley 22:35 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)
- PS A Grand National winner a couple of weeks in advance wouldn't be completely unwelcome either, know what I mean, guv?
Goldberg: Well, I think I do mind. I was actually quoting from Williams! I'll think about a different way of formulating it. I'm impressed by the list of arease you attend to. I'm currently working on parts of speech and scholastic philosophy, mainly. BevRowe
Sorry, I couldn't remember what piece it was from but wanted to put that in because I was studying it only last week (I'm talking about the Passacaglia page, in case you're mystified. Olivia Curtis 18:29 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
Okay. I wasn't fast enough. While I was writing in talk:glove, you already merged the two. would you read my comment on the talk page, though? Perhaps you could advise me.
Arthur 03:34 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)
Your advice seems sound to me. I'll leave glove alone for a few days and then if no one objects, will brutally cut the unedited encyclopedia stuff at the end of the article. Keep an eye out.
Arthur 00:13 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks, tarquin :) --Camembert
Hi Camembert. I saw your high level of disambig work just now. Surely you are using a script of some sort, would you mind sharing your secrets as I would also find something like that very usefull. Thanks, --snoyes 20:29 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
- Wow. I'm speechless. --snoyes 20:52 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Yah, Ill clean it up eventually Im just trying to settle on a good name. With ships they seem to do Whatever class cruiser so it seemed in line with the convention to do Tiger I tank but whatever Susan Mason
Copyright - do you think I am going to end up in jail for the Penny Lane picc tpt solo transcription in David Mason? Points to ponder: (1) like I say on the image page, it's been up in public for 8 million years and not a squeak (hahah piccolo tpt joke geddit?); (2) I don't understand fair use but I can't imagine much fairer use than this, that is, it's pure education, a very short extract, and a litle tricky to see how it robs anyone of income; (3) I'm not sure who would actually own the copyright on the solo anyway. These things can get very murky but I imagine that if there was a real composer credit for those few notes it might well belong to either David himself or to George Martin and I think they are both highly unlikely to sue me. Comments please? Oh and if I do go to jail will you please bring me a cake with a file in it? This is all your fault anyway for putting in Civil on the Beatles page! :) Thanks, Nevilley 08:49 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
- If you want the judge to be lenient, I'd lay off the piccolo trumpet jokes :) I've answered on your talk page, I'm sure the excerpt will be fine. --Camembert
- OK and fine and thanks for the kind offer of sacrificing me. Please bear the cake in mind. :) Nevilley 22:22 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Naming standards - churches
Sorry, me again. This is a terrible mess - from the Nicholas Hawksmoor article:
Hawksmoor's six London churches
- St Alfege, Greenwich
- St George's Bloomsbury
- Christ Church, Spitalfields
- St George in the East, Wapping
- St Mary Woolnoth
- St Anne, Limehouse
NB the terrible lack of consistency in apostrophes and commas. Is there a Wiki or Camembert recommendation for this? One possibility is to take what the churches themselves say as gospel (ahahaha) but actually I am not sure they are always right, or that their websites are necessarily written by people who know. I would hate to apply some consistency policy foolishly to something that may genuinely be inconsistent ... I suppose I could go and ead the signs outside them?? hmmmmm. Penny for your thoughts on this please? Nevilley 23:06 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
- oh and bl**dy hyphens too, there are more variants of St George in the East than you could shake a stick at!
Tricky one that, and I'm afraid I'm going to have to plead ignorance. As far as I know, there's no Wikipedia standard on commas and such in these cases. I would favour always putting a comma before the place name, but with apostrophes and hyphens I really don't know. Following what the churches themselves do seems a good idea, although just recently, I think somebody removed all the apostrophes from the names of Oxbridge colleges - that seems to have worked out pretty well, because the colleges are completely inconsistent in this themselves, with the same college sometimes using two different forms of their name on the same website. I'd be wary of trying to be consistent just for the sake of it, but if you can't determine the "correct" names, then consistency at least looks better and is probably about as likely to be right as the mish-mash of styles that is in the list at the moment. Good luck trying to work this one out. By the way, I'll be there with a file in a Victoria sponge if you're ever convicted ;) --Camembert
- OK and fair enough, thanks. Can the file be in a chocolate cake instead please? :) Nevilley 23:28 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
- Some people want everything... OK, OK, a chocolate cake it is. I'll spell your name out in icing as well, if you want :) --Camembert
Hello Camembert - thanks for your note on my talk page. I will do as you suggested from now on. -- Cordyph 20:05 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm mistaken about the owner/operator of Wikipedia declaring that no cliques shoulkd be allowed to mandate their way of doing things so I will ask for clarification... You clearly on my work (and I see now on others) want all things to be YOUR way...Ron Davis
- I don't want all things to be done my way - that would be rather frightening. I just want them to be done the best way, and if I think my way is better than somebody else's, then I will say so. I'm always aware that I may be wrong, and, I hope, I'm always open to being convinced that the other person's way is better after all. Please don't take offence at my views on Quebec - they're not aimed at you personally, I just honestly think that List of communities in Quebec is the better name. --Camembert
Your words "the best way" say it all. Unbelievable! I shall wait for the owner of Wikipedia to respond. You and your friends can end your control over this Web site or I can leave. It is quite simple....Ron Davis
- What other way should they be done but the best way? Of course Wikipedians want things done the best way, because they want it to succeed and produce a quality project. This project is important to everyone here. But Wikipedians try to reach consensus on what the best way is. That's how it operates; that's the wiki way. - Montréalais
Dear Cambembert, when are you going to do individual pages on the other Mahler works? I keep looking and expecting them to appear any day... The 5th symphony one is a good start. Olivia Curtis 22:24 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the deletion and moving thing! -- Oliver P. 04:14 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
I am having an aaargh moment following a look at the Maths of western scales article. This thing:
0 1:1 unison 1 21:20 half step [semitone]
1 16:15 half step [semitone] 2 10:9 whole step / minor second [minor tone] 2 9:8 whole step / major second [major tone] 3 6:5 minor third (2 steps) 4 5:4 major third (2 steps) 5 4:3 perfect fourth (3 steps) 6 7:5 tritone / augmented fourth / diminished fifth 7 3:2 perfect fifth (4 steps) 8 8:5 minor sixth (5 steps) 9 5:3 major sixth (5 steps) 10 9:5 dominant seventh / flat seventh (6 steps) 11 17:9 major seventh / natural seventh (6 steps) 12 2:1 octave (7 steps)
is all up the swannee (sp?) according to my reckoning - either I am not understanding something or the original author is using the terminology wrongly. I note you said you were thinking about having a go. I'm a bit tempted to at least put the interval names right (as I see them) - what do you think?? Nevilley 19:08 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)
- The Mathematics of the Western music scale is, on the whole, troublesome. Much of it is really about psycho-acoustics, and most of the rest is either wrong or so unclear that it's impossible to know whether it's wrong or not. The sad thing is that it's potentially a really interesting subject and really useful article. I've been thinking for months about completely rewriting it, but it's such a big task, and so far has been too daunting. Until I or somebody else decides to write the thing properly, any work on the above list or anything else can only be a good thing (the day a 10:9 is a minor second is the day Bach becomes a lousy composer). Maybe a good article will emerge out of it all. Chop it around as you see fit, I say. --Camembert
I've had an initial go at the table only. As I said in it talk it was either wrong or obscure, and I hope that I have not done an ignorant wellie boots job on it, but I did not think it could stay like that as it was confusing at the very least. Thanks, Nevilley 09:13 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
Hi Cam, Taku has renamed a vast number of pages on Japanese emperors, using double, treble and quadruple redirects, but refuses point blank to fix links, even though some of his pages have so many redirects at this stage you get lost in them and can't get to the text. He won't listen to me. Will you try to have a word with him? Thanks. STÓD/ÉÍRE 03:03 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
(Your user page is interesting. so many interests and specialties. I have so much fewer. I'm always amazed at breadth of wikipedia authors.) Jtdirl is smart and knowledgeable, I think. Few others seem to think so, but i think Taku is too, a little. (perhaps TOO BOLD in his editing. Creeps people out.)
But that's not why I'm here.
Although certifiably a newbie (newcomer?), i might take your advice and ask for admin status. I'm intrigued at what will be the answer. (and I can't imagine using such status for anything, as you sort of suggested.) Why am i writing this here? Just to say that "you suggested it" and "i might do it". You did suggest it after all. Arthur 01:44 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
You said: Hi - the reason that US place names are given in the form "Place, State" is, as I understand it, because that is how they are most often referred to in print and speech. This is largely because there are many US placenames duplicated across several states. This isn't the case with British, German, French, etc places, where normally only the name and not the county, département etc, is given. For that reason we have Springfield, Illinois but simply Doncaster not "Doncaster, South Yorkshire". --Camembert
In Canada it is always with the Province and it has a fraction of the number of places in the U.S. I have a daughter who studies in France plus numerous friends there, and they all refer to departments. Her e-mail Friday past was "we are going to Provence for the weekend then to Suzanne's in the Loiret." Too, in England, they refer to the County very, very frequently. (I watch a lot of Brit TV.) We don't need the U.S. state on envelopes because of the ZIP. So, I don't know, but I thought teaching people here, who 99.99% know nothing of other countries, the departements of France etc. was a good thing. If an American on Wikipedia sees, Saumur, Maine-et-Loire, they quickly get it. Plus, I think consistency is important. Too, wouldn't it be nice if we all learned a great deal more about other countries? User: Black Widow.
- People in France obviously refer to departements, since they exist. Nevertheless, it is extremely rare to name them in association with a city name, as it is common to do with the state in the USA. Provence is not a departement, but a former province of France. France also has ZIP codes.... Teaching people things here is what we are trying to do by writing articles. I am not convinced that naming an article "Toulon, Var" would teach anything more than naming it "Toulon", since the information about the city and its location is in the article. olivier 19:33 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
that was funny. Somehow the combination of knitting and Black Panther Party seemed completely normal to me. It's sometimes hard to see yourself. Okay. I see now that this combo might be surprising.
- best wishes, Arthur 01:43 Mar 17, 2003 (UTC)
Hey listen. the wikipedia internal search is offline. google search returns nothing with noalbumcover. Would you please link here or my user page to the discussion about removing all album covers. thank you. Arthur 01:10 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)
- Image talk:Noalbumcover.png - I'm not on for removing all album covers, just that one image which basically states the obvious at the cost of longer download times. --Camembert
- heh. I completely understood what i was seeing on recent changes. I understand now what the image was. When I saw images removed from a couple pages, i assumed they were different images.
Dear Cam: Hi , I need to contact you because I wrote about Libyan Arab Airlines and I need to do a couple of typo edits there. But I havent been able to, For some reason it says there that my IP is blocked and I cant fix it. You were listed as the blocker. Im not worried about that, that is ok with me, I understand why my number appears blocked or whatever, that its some othe ruser that is blocked and not me. But I was just wondering if you could go and fix the typos for me since I cant. In the second paragraph it says Durin instead of during, and right after that it says libyan instead of Libyan. That needs fixing.
Thanks and God Bless!
Sincerely yours, Antonio Cheap Martin
Dear Cam: Thanxs! God bless you!!
Sincerely yours, Antonio Eternal Teen Martin
Now on the right page:
Wow. Nice article on Busoni. ...and springing full-grown, like Athena from your brow! <g>-- Someone else 01:37 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'd just intended to write a para or two, but got a bit carried away... --Camembert
Wikipedia is whatever its made into. Dogma is limiting. Dietary Fiber
- You're right of course, but it seems to have been made into an encyclopaedia, and, as far as I know, people tend to want it to be kept that way (I know I do). --Camembert
Why limit yourself? Dietary Fiber
- In a way I agree with you, but one of the things that makes the Wikipedia so great, at least for me, is that it is specifically an encyclopaeida and, as such, doesn't include certain things. That's limiting, yes, but it gives the project a focus which something like everything2 lacks. If you were to press me on what I mean by "focus" I'm not sure I could tell you exactly, but I feel that Wikipedia works and that I want to work here, and that everything2 doesn't and that I don't want to work there, and that there are many reasons for this and that the focus on us being an encyclopaedia is one of them (but only one of them).
- I mean, I love chess problems, I have hundreds of them on my bookshelves, but I'm not entirely sure it's suitable encyclopaedia material - one or two maybe, as examples, but to build up a collection of them...? I'd like it to work, though, and don't worry - I'm certainly not going to go around and delete them all or anything like that. Let's see how things go. (but how do you feel about a Caissapedia dedicated specifically to chess? That could be something really great, I think). --Camembert
thanks for cleaning up after the graffiti artist. Kingturtle 03:43 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
- No problem, glad to help. --Camembert
You might be interested in the Chicago Tribune story referenced on Talk:Paul Wittgenstein, regarding the recent discovery among his wife's effects of the Hindemith concerto that (at least the article says) had never been performed in public. Also some interesting information in related stories about how the Wittgenstein's money, at one time safe in Switzerland, was extorted from them by the Nazis in exchange for the granting of "mixed-race" status, allowing Paul to keep his passport and his sisters to remain unmolested in Vienna.... -- Someone else 23:02 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
- Alma's influence on Mahler, and on the perception of Mahler after his death, is worth an article by itself...
- I hope you get a chance to add this in. I confess that it was her - emotional generosity - that seems to overshadow the rest of it. I don't know whether to believe half the peculiar things I see on the Web on THAT (complete with an artist's conception of the anatomically correct Alma doll!). I agree on the Hindemith, too <G> -- Someone else 00:50 Apr 1, 2003 (UTC) (PS: Alma apparently wrote some lieder, before foreswearing art for Mahler, and they've been recorded. Who knew?)
- sigh*. And Dietry Fiber was doing so well, having given up the troublemaking aspects of its previous multiple personalities. Does this nonsense on the list of people around in WWII mean we are back to square one again, with nitpickedly rows over nothing, edit wars over facts he doesn't actually know but thinks he knows, renaming all over the place, changing list orders, and jumping after everyone has agreed something to announce 'I disagree' and rewriting everything? I thought the two weeks of silence were too good to be true. *major sigh* STÓD/ÉÍRE 02:12 Apr 5, 2003 (UTC)
How do you know of Victor Bergin? I got to study with him at UC Santa Cruz. Kingturtle 18:44 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
- I'll answer on your talk page. --Camembert
- Happy to help. --Camembert
I take it you didn't approve of my moves:
Too bad, I was going to make a nice disambiguation page out of nigger:
Two prominent books are entitled Nigger:
- Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word by Randall Kennedy
- review by James Withers
- Nigger: An Autobiography by Dick Gregory (with Robert Lipsyte), 1964.
I think we may be fighting over Jacqueline du Pré. I reformatted her page today to include what I believe is the correct accent, and I also reformatted pages which refer to that one. Sorry - accents are a pain!
I redirected from the unaccented page to the accented one.
- I've responded on your talk page - there wasn't a problem really, I was just stitching the edit histories of the old and new articles back together. --Camembert
Thanks for the notice on the upload problem; I've filed a bug report and hopefully will get a chance to fix it. :) In the meantime I've cleared out the bad entries from the database (just ignore it in the log.) --Brion 00:11 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks :) --Camembert
- the year three million and a bit - we had it because apparently it's when the world is going to end according to hindu mythology, and somebody confused hirself with a stand-up comedian... ;-) Martin
- Heh, I must remember to mark that in my diary ;) --Camembert
Please help. One guy say okay for pictures on Album cover, a nother say no pictures. Information with facts being deleted repeatedly not vandalism? I don't understand at all. I thought edit meant adding or fixing an article but you say its okay to delete anything I like. Sorry, if I'm not all sure on your Amrerican laws. Explain please or tell me where I go for explanation. Thank you.User:Wei Chin Ho
Thank you much..User:Wei Chin Ho
I don't understand your question? Please make sense of it or are you just trying to make fun of me too? Olga Bityerkokoff
Repeat: I don't understand your question? I am user Olga Bityerkokoff. Why should you question my log in name? There is nothing in the Sandbox that says I would be obliged to answer another users questions. Please, no more insults and please mind your business politely. Have I done something to someone here that deserves your friends calling themselves John Owens and Infrogeration to degrade and insult my family and for you to conduct a CIA interrogation? What's next, my bra size? Please go to another chat website if you want that conflict or kinky stuff. I understood this was an encyclopedia. Am I wrong? Olga Bityerkokoff
But on the pages I looked at it wasn't [[automobile|car]] it was deleting the word car altogether, in some articles where the person wasn't american, the story never mentioned America and in fact nothing in the page referred to America at all. STÓD/ÉÍRE 23:45 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
- Thank you for the gentle clarification, Camembert. I will use [[automobile|car]] as I go forward. Although I had made the decision to replace car with automobile on my own, based on that blind spot in my international knowledge, please note that User:Goatasaur had suggested that I do the same on my talk page, so I'm not the only person with this confusion. I thought I was correct, and I'll be happy to change now that I know I'm wrong. I really do try not to be an ignorant American. Catherine 00:03 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I love finding monumental mistakes in supposed accurate publications. My favourite was a history book on Britain and Ireland that looked fanastic, read well, then . . . um had Charles I winning the English civil war, George VI abdicating to marry Mrs Simpson (which must have come as a surprise to the Queen Mother if she read it!), and Eamon de Valera winning the Irish civil war, which if he did, sort of explains how he ended it in prison at the end of it. Or am I missing something? Or a newspaper article telling us how famous people, including Mother Theresa and Princess Diana would spend the millennium eve! A bit like the famous magazine described in detail Royal Ascot, right down to how well the Queen looked, which was quite a challenge as Royal Ascot was cancelled. (But then I'm someone to talk. I had to do a review of Dublin's gay pride parade on a Saturday for the following Sunday's Sunday Independent. But that section of the paper "went to bed" on Thursday. So they had me imagine what the Gay Pride march would probably be like. Luckily it wasn't cancelled and readers thought I was actually describing the parade, not describing the previous year's one. (The previous year I had described the previous year's one!!!) Oh such fun writing imaginery facts for newspapers. (Though nowhere like the middle east journalist who was given a large some of money to go to Baghdad to cover the war. He thought he would stay at home, hide in a broom closet in the TV station and with someone's help, do radio broadcasts and then film reports using a bluescreen backdrop onto which CNN & BBC images were projected. But the idiot blew it by walking around the streets one day, being seen by people who then asked . . . "but he is supposedly in Baghdad!!!" He was caught and fired. ÉÍREman 01:49 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)
I went to look at your "Making fun of Britannica" article, but all of the science was over my head. :) -- Zoe
- To be honest, I don't understand most of it myself - I didn't make that page, by the way, I just like the idea of us being better than Britannica, at least in some small way :) --Camembert
Actually, I'm delighted with the idea of a recording of "I Loves Your Progy", but somehow doubt I will ever hear one<G>. -- Someone else 01:13 Apr 22, 2003 (UTC)
Camembert wrote: Why are you removing all instances of the words "refers to"? They're overused, I agree, but sometimes they're used correctly. Often what you leave behind when you take them out makes no sense (due process, for example).
- Hi Camembert. I'm not removing all of them, although watching the "recently changed" log won't show you all the examples I looked at and left alone. I'd estimate I've left about 40% of the ones I've examined untouched. As for the "due process" example, that was my mistakes and I've fixed that one. Regarding the bigger picture of "why", it is mostly to stamp out two sorts of usages:
- Dog refers to a four legged canine -> A dog is a four legged canine.
- This article refers to the canine usage -> This article describes the canine usage.
- Fair enough. I agree that it's a phrase usually mis-used. --Camembert
- I am not perfect. If 80% of my changes are improvements, then I apologize for the other 20%, and wikipedia remains improved. -º¡º
- Of course, you're quite right. I was probably being unduly suspicious. --Camembert
Oh you'll love this, Cam. The multiple banned user Adam/Bridget/Lir/Vera Cruz/Susan Mason/Dietary Fiber has returned from the grave to haunt wiki as Shino Baku. Oh lovely! Something he wrote on 172 triggered off an instant realisation in me and in 172 separately and simultaneously that it had to be Adam again. His edit pattern is the same. His style of argument is the same. His assault on articles associated with 172 is the same. And in particular is hideous tendency to wade into a debate, wait until a conclusion had been reached, then intervene by insisting on something which everyone else had abandoned, cropped up again on the China talk page (where he resurrected a row Sirub had abandoned, with a one line comment on 172's page that was word for word what each of the earlier Adam family members would say, with only the topic in the sentence changed. How many times has this creep been banned? ÉÍREman 06:45 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)
- I've not been around much for a few days, so I've not really seen Shino Baku, but whoever they may be it seems clear that it's not possible for us to effectively keep away banned users who are really determined to find a way back - banning has worked in some cases in the past, but it's not foolproof. What the best way to deal with such determined users is, I honestly don't know - don't let them worry you too much and hope that they reform, I guess. --Camembert
Are you French?
- No. --Camembert
- Ah, but are you electrique??? :-) quercus robur 19:38 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
- Who can say - in the words of Daevid Allen himself, Est-ce-que Je Suis? :-) --Camembert
- You're the top! You're an Arrow collar.
- You're the top! You're a Coolidge dollar.
- You're the nimble tread of the feet of Fred Astaire
- You're an O'Neill drama, You're Whistler's mama,
- You're Camembert -- <G>
- You're the top! You're an Arrow collar.
- Well, it beats being broccoli or Pepsodent, put it that way ;) --Camembert
Pourtant un bon camembert normand, ca ne se refuse pas! (Translation somewhere).
With respect to the a physical Wiki link, I've followed similar debates on the nature of the project discussed there -- specifically libelous or profane statements made in the name of Free Speech. This was to be a show-stopper, until someone suggested supplying erasers as well as chalk. I'm new to this place, but I thought the link relevant to the clitoris discussion underway. This is a mighty fine place, this Wikipedia. I won't mind if the a physical Wiki link is removed. I'd certainly like a place to vent concerns about the nature of speech constraints on Wikipedia. Speech constraints are entirely appropriate, and Wikipedia has a good system of due process to regulate them. I think that a censorship topic in name space can augment that system. BobCMU76 15:24 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Camembert, as a former music student, perhaps you can clarify something on WP. In chord, it says that "a simultaneous sounding of only two notes [is] called an interval." But all the people I asked, those who knew music well enough, said that a two-note chord is called a diad or dyad. However, not even the biggest Oxford English Dictionary has a musical definition for those words. Googling reveals some pages referring to diad/dyad as a two-note chord. But I don't know if we should hold them to be authorative. --Menchi 07:22 17 May 2003 (UTC)
- I've answered on your talk page - in brief, you're right, a "dyad" is a two-note chord, while an "interval", strictly speaking, is the gap between two notes. --Camembert
Dear Cam: Hi I just saw there is no List of controversial articles to list articles that might need work..what da' ya' think?
Sincerely yours, Antonio Bond-Jones Martin
Just started another declasse article at George Leybourne with the interesting but unverified factoid that "The Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeze" is based on Offenbach (details are in the article). If you know enough of Le Papillon to say whether it's true or not, I'd be a happy happy camper. -- Someone else 01:57 22 May 2003 (UTC)
Hi, thanks a lot for your work on Guillaume Apollinaire. I don't know if you were aware of my WikiMoney offer for this; in any event, I put one WikiSmilie into your account. Cheers, AxelBoldt 16:44 22 May 2003 (UTC)
- No, I wasn't aware of that (I've not been paying much attention to WikiMoney to be honest). Thanks in any case. --Camembert
Thanks for restoring the picture of chumbawamba- it's weird, the later version of the picture seems to have vanished- the only difference is it was a bit smaller as I thought the pic looked a bit too big as it curerently is- can't be arsed to re-upload again though, especially as I've now deleted the original scan of the photo from my hard drive... quercus robur 21:08 22 May 2003 (UTC)