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Person who I think should go under year of death missing instead of possibly living[edit]

João Pereira (swimmer), born in 1905-that would make him one of the oldest people ever. I think that maybe he should be removed from there. (I found a few other odd ones on the possibly living section such as a politician who was in the 20s even), I have found some I moved there recently and a few I have found are alive. (One case was someone listed under year of death missing who in fact is alive and well and was even working on films in the 90s) But yes this seems to be a case where it is likely they are dead. (I am just looking up people in this cat for some reason)

Wgolf (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I have removed nearly all the 19th century people out of Possibly living people

So yeah just a few remain, I did add quite a few people as well that were very questionable. (Some of them I doubt are alive, but you never know) It took a while. Still am finding some to add and/or remove from that cat. Anyway, some odd ones I knew couldn't be alive such as one guy that was in WW1 and in the 1920 Olympics. While some people that were listed as living instead of possible living were born as early as 1902! It does get hectic for sure! Well good luck editing!

Wgolf (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

And then I just added a bunch more into possibly living-quite a bit of them seem to be Brazilian swimmers who were born in the 1910's that someone added about a year ago (with no info on them for years which it seemed that the one adding them was under the impression that no date of death meant they were alive)

I could show which ones might need a look after... Wgolf (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

All good stuff, thanks. When it comes to Olympians, drop a message on my talk page and I might be able to help, since I have access to a lot of offline resources that can help determine whether or not they are alive. Feel free to leave any names you want me to check on my talk page... I'm off on a month-long research trip soon, so I can't promise that I'll get to them soon, but I will get to them. Canadian Paul 18:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks-over the weekend I was finding some that seemed unlikey (one just made me laugh that I knew couldn't possibly be alive when it said something like "Published a book in 1910") And I managed to find some online also. One guy this morning I found was a Australian footballer from the 20s I knew couldn't be alive and found enough proof when I saw his son was born in the 20s and that his son mentioned his fathers passing in a interview. I was trying to find some info about a bunch of film people from the 1940s-1970s recently but some just seemed impossible to be alive but still put as possibly living (Like a guy who worked on the Ten Commandments-probably not alive but no info otherwise) I also figured anyone who was in any sports pre 1925 is likely dead. (to my knowledge only one Olympian from 1928 is alive even) Now here are some people that are listed as living/possibly living that are born before 1915, but have no link to turning 100: Arnulf Solvoll, Marie Luise Bulst-Thiele, Jack O'Reilly, Eleanor Sokoloff, Elizabeth Hartley (Girl Guides), Mordechaï Podchlebnik, William Morton (tenor), Charles Foley (journalist), Israel Zafrir, Miguel Ángel Pantó, Abdul Karim Disu, Pedro Pagés. Most of those are either listed as living or recently were moved from living into possibly living.

Wgolf (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

As it seems unlikely they be alive. Hermine Riss, P. C. Bhattacharya, Allan G.S. Coombs, Lev Borisovich Helfand, Erling Poppe, Floyd E. Shurbert, James Frederick Sangala, Earl W. Warren

People who I am considering: Rita Gorgonowa-she is under missing people, William Thomas (rugby league born c. 1905)-He is listed as possibly born in 1905, but it seems likely he is dead now., Rd Ariffien-likely, can't find a list for this country and Indonesia seems to be famous for having very longevity claims, Luis-Augusto García-this is one that someone might of just put born in the 1900s meaning the 20th century given how they played tennis in the late 60s

Wgolf (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I just found a bunch of politicians from Wisconsin with no date of death that were under possibly living-which if they were really alive they be the oldest ones ever and would have tons of coverage on them. (Was looking up some political people then and found a bunch from there) Wgolf (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you could please not edit my user pages directly, as the last three entries you added to the Olympic list were inappropriate. As I mentioned above, I have many offline resources that indicate that many people listed as "living" or "possibly living" on Wikipedia are actually deceased, I just don't have Wikipedia-appropriate evidence to prove it. Thanks. Canadian Paul 23:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha okay sorry[edit]

Well the link had no ref to him dying and I couldn't find any info on the last Swiss one so that was what I was using, well thanks!

Wgolf (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone who you put as deceased earlier but has since became possibly living[edit]

I just noticed on the history for this one: Sekiji Sasano it is possibly living though you did put deceased. Not sure where to find if they are or not though now. (looks like someone changed it soon after you did) Just wanted to point this out really quick, thanks.

Wgolf (talk) 03:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I've restored him to the "year of death missing" category with the same citation. I'll look at everything else when I a more reliable internet connection. Canadian Paul 13:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Oldest ever Asian person[edit]

Hello CanadianPaul,

It was suggested by DerbyCountyinNZ that I contact you directly regarding an issue to do with Misao Okawa's article.

I was in favour of including the information that she is now the oldest verified person from Asia now that she has surpassed the final age of Tane Ikai.

However, Derby undid my edits, citing WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and WP:TRIVIA.

He claims (and I quote):

  1. Wikipedeia is not the GRG.
  2. Nothing in the GRG list mentions Asia.
  3. Using Okawa's nationality from the GRG conclude that she is from Asia violates WP:SYNTH (even if it is true).
  4. Mentioning that Okawa is the oldest person from Asia without a proper citation that actually mentions that this is the case violates OR.
  5. If there is any citation used in her article that does not mention she is from Japan I would be surprised (I'm not going to bother checking ALL of them). None of them (AFAIK) mention anything about Asia.
  6. The fact that there is no mention in any source that Okawa is the oldest person in Asia is sufficient to conclude that this information is trivia and including it would violate WP:TRIVIA.

Now, I understand that rules and guidelines exist for a reason - however, sometimes, breaking the rules are not a bad thing.

The GRG lists do not include continents, but they do include country of birth and death - and I really don't think that we need a separate citation to tell us that Japan is in Asia.

I refer to the one of the "Five pillars of Wikipedia" - namely "Wikipedia has no firm rules: Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. Their principles and spirit matter more than their literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making an exception.".

Furthermore, I refer to WP:WIARM and WP:UCS.

"Wikipedia has many rules. Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution."

One of the goals of longevity-related articles is to inform readers about longevity records and those who hold them. Unfortunately, by following Wikipedia's rules to the letter and showing no willingness to allow common sense to prevail, Derby is hindering us in our attempt to achieve these goals.

He claims that consensus has already been reached on the talk page to not include this information - however, that consensus was related to the inclusion of lists of longevity milestones.

If you have the time, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.


Ollie231213 (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Let me take a look. Canadian Paul 13:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oldest VFL/AFL player[edit]

Hi Paul. I've seen you make some edits to Aussie rules article with the edit summary that Jack Pimm is the oldest living VFL/AFL player. You might be interested in this article I just came across from Carlton Football Club which has Mac Wilson (born 1914) as the oldest living player instead, with Pimm apparently not even making the top six. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Dammit, I shouldn't have trusted that other source. I'm abroad with spotty internet right now, but I'll try and clean up my mess soon. Thanks for letting me know! Canadian Paul 13:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Sailing at the Olympics[edit]

Canadian Paul,

Thanks for helping to get the information on the pages about sailing at the Olympics correct. You are one of the few who adding value to the pages. In stead of removing valuable pictures or other info for reasons I never understand.


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Thanks. I do what I can! Canadian Paul 17:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

GA review[edit]

I have started reviewing Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics, for some reason the bot hasn't told you yet. NickGibson3900 Talk 10:30, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks for letting me know! For fair disclosure, you may want to review the talk page, and particularly the last GA review, to understand why there is a tag on the page and to decide if you really want to review the article... but I think both I and the last reviewer would greatly appreciate an outside/third opinion on the issue concerning the lead. Canadian Paul 23:32, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Korean Olympian page moves[edit]

Hi Paul. I'd appreciate your input into this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look at it shortly. Canadian Paul 17:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow[edit]

Hi. I don't want it to seem like I am edit warring but you appear to have overlooked this reflink I added: Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's 100th birthday. Sorry for referring to your "mistake" in talk page comment. Yours, Quis separabit? 23:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

No, what I am saying (and said on the Dow talkpage) is that I don't understand why the Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's age as 100 in what appears to be a reliable and unbiased source ( is also not acceptable. Sorry for playing talkpage tag. By the way, are you going to open the discussion at WP:BLPN, which you referenced on the Dow talkpage? Yours, Quis separabit? 23:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Connie Dion[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Your recent change to Søren Kam[edit]

Hello Canadian Paul,

Thanks for this edit, I see you took the time to keep the permissible information. I have made a similar edit to the Danish version of the same article.

FYI, I did not cite the person's current address nor the names of any of his possibly still living relatives. In fact all the place names that I did cite are in Denmark and thus surely not connected to him anymore (due to the warrant for his arrest for murder).

As you can see from my contribution history, I have made numerous edits regarding WWII-biographies and I guess that on this one occasion, I forgot that the subject is actually alive. I will make sure to be more careful with my future contributions.

Thanks again and all the best, Lklundin (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Help with a date of birth?[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul - I seem to remember that at various points in the past you have helped with dates of birth and had access to SSDI. If you still do this sort of thing, could you help me with a date of birth for Bart Quinn, a college and professional basketball player of the late 30s/early 40s? According to this obituary, he died on March 3, 2013 at the age of 96. I'd like to create an article for the guy, but have not been able to track down a DOB. Thanks for any help/direction you can provide! Rikster2 (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@Rikster2: (talk page stalker) - From [1] I got that his name is Bartus Quinn. His DOB is 19 Feb 1917. [2] [3] Connormah (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, thank you Connormah. Canadian Paul 21:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

John-R. Luck[edit]

Hey - can you do a search to see if John-R. Luck is still alive? I found a news reference that may suggest it (see the history), but nothing concrete. Connormah (talk) 02:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I didn't see anything more definitive or recent than your source but, since he's under the age of 90, he should be fine in the living people category. Canadian Paul 21:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Can you do a check in your sources to see if Irvin C. Scarbeck is still alive? I can't find anything. had that he died in prison, but he was paroled, so I think that's wrong. Connormah (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
One more thing - recently the death of Rosella Towne was reported. She had a hoax obit in 2012, but I believe this time it's correct. See the memorial link I found and cited on her page, along with an obit that someone wrote. I also found cites to her marriage to Harry Kronman. Connormah (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry[edit]

To you and yours


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Your GA nomination of Connie Dion[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Connie Dion[edit]

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Olympians at the 1936 Summer Games[edit]

Hi Paul. I've been working on adding bios for all the sport shooters and I'm now up to 1936. I think they're all deceased, with the possible exception of this guy who was 17 when he competed. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look shortly. Canadian Paul 16:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
No probs. Just added this centenarian too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Nice find! Canadian Paul 21:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Went through the 1936ers and found a few more than should be in possibly living, and added all the 1948ers that you have listed in your subpage thus far. Speaking of that subpage, you have Jan Wrzosek listed there twice under 1936. Canadian Paul 00:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul. For info, I've now added bios for all the shooters at the 1948 Games. I think they're all in the correct categories for living/possibly living, etc. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
All biographies for the shooters at the 1952 Games have been created too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. There's three that you can probably move out of "possibly living": Albert Fichefet was probably born in 1903, at least according to the Olympic report, Panagiotis Linardakis is deceased per [4], and André Taupin is listed as deceased in the database (although I don't have a source). Canadian Paul 22:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Keith Woodall[edit]

Hey, I saw you added a DOD for keith Woodall - where did it come from? SIHR doesn't have it and I'd like to update the DB with it. On another note, Don Edwards can be added to the centenarian list if he hasn't already... Connormah (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, where'd you get the full date for Kenneth Moore (ice hockey)? Connormah (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, both of the dates came from Sports Reference, but I presume that you're asking where SR got its data. According to the notes attached to the update, Woodall's information came from a family tree, so probably on some pay site, but I don't know the full details. Moore's information came from a Winnipeg Free Press obituary. I don't have the exact date, but presumably sometime shortly after his death. Canadian Paul 07:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI - I confirmed the Woodall death per an obituary. Connormah (talk) 22:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey - just found another centenarian: George W. Clarke (Washington politician) Connormah (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add him to the appropriate list shortly. Canadian Paul 21:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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A Jewish supercentaurian I found on the new page feed who died in 2009[edit]

Maria Pogonowska, though I can't find a category for her, was wondering if you could put her on some list. Thanks Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not even certain if she meets the notability guidelines, to be honest. I'll have to take a closer look. Canadian Paul 21:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Was about to put a BLP prod on someone but the year of birth was 1921[edit]

for Stefano Ferrari, I just moved him to possibly living, thought you might be able to find if living or dead. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 21:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Could not find anything, which is par for the course for Italian footballers. Sorry. Canadian Paul 23:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you know if there is a new tool to search for articles if someone is living or not and other stuff?[edit]

Since it seems this one: no longer works. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Sort of. You can type:

incategory:"Living people" incategory:"1910 births"

into the search bar and find all articles that are in both the "living people" and "1910 births" category. You can, of course, change out those categories for whichever ones you wish. Canadian Paul 23:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Couple of people I moved to possibly living people I found[edit]

Here: Sukhamoy Sen Gupta, Ebbe Frick, Pierre Ngayewang, Einar Pihl, Harry Johansson, Gösta Gustavsson, Stig Andersson (canoeist)

Wgolf (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Also someone from 1923 who is apparently alive: Renato Cattaneo (footballer born 1923). Wgolf (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Frickand and Pihl are deceased according to the Swedish Population Database, which lists no one by those names alive who could have competed in athletic events in the 1950s, so you could probably move them out of the Possibly Living People category and into Year of Death Missing. Sen Gupta was born in September 1919 (see here) and died sometime after 1983 (see [5]). I've got nothing on Johansson, Gustavsson, and Andersson, and I'll look at Cattaneo and Ngayewang later. Canadian Paul 23:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, just did a quick search - nothing on Ngayewang, but Cattaneo is indeed still alive. Canadian Paul 23:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks-there are a few more I found that were listed as living with no info in 60+ years but can't remember who is the problem. I did just change one to deceased-have to run though now. Wgolf (talk) 23:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Some possibly living people I have found on my watchlist[edit]

Well I have over 6K pages somehow on here so of course I probably have more that I don't know about (granted quite a bit on there is red link pages I tagged for deletion) (And since there seems to be no tools working to find people this is harder) Anyway: Mademoiselle Fifi (dancer)-born in 1905, so I HIGHLY doubt this one is alive. (Not even sure if she counts as notable tbh). Mohammad Amin Nuristani-granted he was born in 1928 so not quite ready to go under possibly living, but still a big question mark here. Sharon Davis (figure skater)-figure skater from 1959 so I'm guessing if living she be at the very least 75 years old. Jack Stephens (set decorator)-if the part is true that he was in school in the 1920s he is more then likely dead. I do have more but that's it for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

And another possibly living[edit]

Lionel Hastie-person put as living which I changed to possibly. So yeah. Wgolf (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Another person I found on the new page feed who is 90+[edit]

Florence McClintock (born 1918-still living according to ESPN). Wgolf (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

List of living centenarians[edit]

Hi Paul,

Just wondering whether the addition of non-English wiki centenarians to the list, creating a mass of redlinks, is constructive? FWIW I don't think it is and suggested as much at Talk:List of living centenarians#Centenarians with articles on non-English Wikipedia?. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Why isn't it constructive? Most of these people are worthy of notability (as far as Wiki is concerned) if they have non-English articles, and adding them might encourage people to create articles in English. At the very least, I think we should trial this and see if any new articles are made. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
The reason that we only include individuals with English Wikipedia articles is to ensure that we're only including individuals who meet Wikipedia's notability standards... otherwise it becomes too easy for anyone to add individuals of dubious notability to the list and we then have to waste time discussing notability, getting into revert wars, etc. etc. By only including individuals with Wikipedia articles, we leave the issue of notability to community consensus (we still discuss "notable for reasons other than their longevity", but those are few and far between). Having an article on another Wikipedia is not sufficient because a) Other Wikipedias have notability standards that may differ from our own and b) all Wikipedias have articles that do not meet the notability guidelines (even the English one, of course, but unless you speak the other language, the English one is the only one where English Wikipedia editors can nominate an article for deletion). If you want to encourage people to create articles in English, there's always the talk page. Canadian Paul 00:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Someone from 1906 who had living people on it[edit]

Okay so every so often I find these odd articles where someone just puts living on them even if its like they are dead, like this one Argimiro España, with no refs I have no clue what to say really! (I moved to possibly living but yeah) Wgolf (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

He died in March 1995. Ref added. Canadian Paul 22:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


I think I have a problem with my archiving. It only shows up to number 18 on my talk page, but I know it's archiving to number 29. Why is it doing that?  — ₳aron 22:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure. You might want to try leaving a note on the template discussion page. Canadian Paul 23:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

More possibly living people over the age of 90[edit]

J. Hamilton-Holder-this one is odd, they are under the cat "centenarians" and year of death unknown (which should be year of death missing-I deleted it for the time being) yet have no links to any place saying they reached 100. Carlos Jesus Pereira-unlikely, but who knows. Hari Chand Dewan, Paddy Harris.

Now for someone who was listed as dead but is apparently still living and will be 90 next month: Myron P. Lotto (figured I mention this so you can add him later) Wgolf (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Curler Lloyd Campbell (I created the page) also turned 100 this yr. Connormah (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
On the curling topic, could you look into former Brier Champ. Theo (Frenchy) D'Amour of Trail, BC? He was born c. 1913... can't get a DOD. Connormah (talk) 00:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
If he was not born in BC, this is a possible, albeit unlikely match. I only did a quick search, but I'll look into it a little more when I have more time. Canadian Paul 01:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Nice catch! I missed that. I have no idea where he was from. Just that he was 49 yrs old in 1962..I'll look into it further though. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


a page on 'John MacBrien' canadian olympic sailor, is incorrect and not complete as it could be.

he is the son of W.A.H. MacBrien and born in Toronto, Ontario. Naval officer/pilot RCN and USN DFC awarded for mission in Korea. [1] [2] [3]

Toronto bill (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)toronto bill (at gmail)

Thanks for the information! I'm glad to see that he's still alive and, when I have a little more time, I'll be happy to expand his bio! Canadian Paul 00:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Seymour Bernstein[edit]

Well this page has been added for Seymour Bernstein, who is having a doc about him that is coming out this year and looks like this guy will be 100 this year, just figured I mention that to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wgolf: - looks like he's only around 85/86 as per [6]. I amended the article. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
oh okay must of been a misprint! Wgolf (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if my ping worked, but you seem to be online now so I thought I'd just let you know that Hazel Newhook can probably be added to the politicians centenarian list... Connormah (talk) 00:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I did see it the first time, and even remembered it later, but I couldn't find it on my talk page or remember her name, so I forgot. I'll add her when I have a little more time, probably tomorrow. Canadian Paul 01:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Added now! Canadian Paul 20:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Connormah (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Yang Jingnian[edit]

Article does mention that he turned 100 yet has not refs at all, here Yang Jingnian. Wgolf (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Found a citation for his 105th birthday and added to the appropriate centenarian list, as well as my own. Thanks. Canadian Paul 21:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Some people who may or may not be alive at age 90+[edit]

Not sure if some of these are living or not: Mac Connor-born 1913. Marian Fuks (historian), born 1914-seems like he is alive but does not have that cat on him. Veikko Savela-born 1919. Nguyễn Tư Nghiêm-born 1919 (or 1922). Ambroise Yxemerry-born 1917. Leonidas Veliaroutis-born 1916. Bruno Holzträger-born 1916. Heinz Jaeger-born 1924.

Though it seems the by profession page wont count them if they dont' have links such as there is Mary Carlisle who has been listed as living at age 100 yet is not on the List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers). Wgolf (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Vincent P. de Poix[edit]

You know the rules here better than I. Can we do anything with the image of the letter posted on this page to verify the death of Vincent P. de Poix on Wiki? Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

That's a tough one. I would take it to the reliable source noticeboard and bring it up there... they'll probably come to a good consensus with what to do with it. Canadian Paul 23:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I saw that too and am still hoping that there'll be some mention of his death elsewhere. If he's being interred at Arlington, an obit may appear up to months after someone's death date (as burials are usually held months later). Connormah (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Betty Birch (born 1923)[edit]

Okay looking around at possibly living people for any updates on the refs, I found Betty Birch who was born in 1923 and based off the ref, she is still living! Wanted to point this out for you! Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Added. Thanks! Canadian Paul 22:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Asen Tsankov-Olympain born in 1912[edit]

Asen Tsankov, is this guy still living? Wgolf (talk) 00:37, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems as if this has been addressed. I had him deceased according to other sources, but now I know the year as well, so thanks for pointing that out. Canadian Paul 00:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Someone who died at age 100 in 2014[edit]

found this on the backlogs of the new page feed Gerald Ratner (lawyer). Wgolf (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Added to the appropriate centenarian list. Thanks! Canadian Paul 00:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Warren Barnes, Canadian swimmer[edit]

Hi, Paul. I came across the Warren Barnes article while I was doing clean-up work on Olympic swimmers from the United States, Australia and Canada, including updating and uniform formatting of Infobox swimmer. As part of my updates, I always check the swimmer's participation in Olympic events, to make sure that we are not omitting any Olympic results from the article. When I checked on Barnes' Olympic career, I quickly discovered that he never swam in the Olympics. Accordingly, I removed the "Olympic swimmers of Canada" category from the article (because he's not), and I also did some other quick clean-up like removing all of the "trials" results from the infobox medals table. We usually only list international championships in which swimmers won actual medals (e.g., the Olympics, Pan Am Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan Pacific Championships, FINA world championship), and not national championships, and certainly not trials events in which no medals were actually awarded. My changes were reverted by an IP from Ontario. Barnes did compete in the Pan Am Games, but did not win a medal, and has never been chosen for a Canadian Olympic team. I have no interest in edit-warring with an IP over the inaccurate category or the infobox medals table, but I do have an interest in keeping our sports articles accurate. I would be grateful if you would take a look at this article, and work some of your magic there. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems to have died out since you posted this message, but I'll keep an eye on the page and take action if/as necessary. Canadian Paul 00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

And another possible 90+ person[edit]

Kira Golovko born in 1919. Wgolf (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Elizabeth Raybould also died recently. Can't find a DOB, but the article says she retired in 1983... Connormah (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Also, S. Prestley Blake is 100... Connormah (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Golovko added, couldn't find anything on Raybould, and I'll check out Blake a little later. Canadian Paul 00:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Blake's brother, Curtis, is also alive, BTW. Born 1917. I haven't done any research yet on him though to start (rather resurrect) his article. (also I sent you an email) Connormah (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Added Blake. Canadian Paul 05:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Emailed you this a while back (though not sure if I used the right address), but Arthur L. Thurlow is 102. Connormah (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I added him to my "to-do" list, but as Arthur Thurlow, so I didn't see that an article had been created for him. I'll add him to the proper places shortly. Canadian Paul 23:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ living people[edit]

Here: Gil Parrondo, born June 17, 1921. Vance Trimble, born July 16, 1913 (does not seem to be on any centurion list though!). Wgolf (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay here is one that might be alive: Jacques Maumont, found out on the French wiki she was born on September 24, 1924. So not sure. Wgolf (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to find anything about Maumont-no luck yet. Wgolf (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Planet of Dinosaurs[edit]

Hi I noticed you uploaded the DVD art for this films infobox. Is it OK if I replace that with the theatrical poster instead? I just figure it would be better to have the theatrical poster rather than a contemporary home video release cover.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree entirely; I uploaded that over 7 years ago, when I was much less clear on what was appropriate. I have removed and deleted the image to make way for the poster. Canadian Paul 01:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Done! BTW if you are a fan of this film you should check out this messageboard. Jim Aupperle (who did the films effects) posts there and answers any questions users have. He's very cordial and helpful.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

People who I have found who are listed as possibly living who are over 100[edit]

The following are likely dead-but here I go. (I did move quite a few to year of death missing also):

That is it for now! Wgolf (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Just a note that I'm waiting on a contact for some info on Strickland. Connormah (talk) 05:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Tecla San Andres Ziga is dead according to the Netherlands wiki. Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Looks like some do have death dates now-there are still quite a few to add to the list you have that I have mentioned earlier-so I wont mention anymore for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got more time to look at these over the summer, but they are scattered in many places on this talk page and the talk page of my Nonagenarians list, so it might take me a while to consolidate them all and do a thorough search. Canadian Paul 16:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Enrique Rapesta-Former Olympian born in 1919[edit]

Okay found the DOB for this one-not sure if living or not though! Enrique Rapesta. Wgolf (talk) 05:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Here are 2 other former Olympians I just found-Saadat Malook Shazada-born August 26, 1916. Shuja ud-Din-Born September 12, 1913. Wgolf (talk) 05:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Marian Cannon Schlesinger[edit]

Found Marian Cannon Schlesinger who is indeed over 100, figured I mention this one for you! Wgolf (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ people I have found! (for living-though there is one case where I'm not sure)[edit]

Well I know I have sent quite a bit the past few weeks to add, but here are even more I have found! Endel Taniloo-born January 5, 1923. Ivan Uzlov-born August 14, 1923. B. K. Garudachar-born January 13, 1917-though I moved him to possibly living yet someone moved him to living yet I'm not sure if he is living or not. Artturi Niemelä-born August 23, 1923. Wgolf (talk) 02:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The article for Jaime Ornelas Camacho-mentions being born in 1911-but the Portuguese version has a different DOB[edit]

Yeah he is listed as being born in 1921 on the Portuguese version of Jaime Ornelas Camacho. Wanted to point this out to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I've updated this. I'll take a look at everything else when I have more time later. Canadian Paul 06:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Welcome! And yeah I did find a bunch over the past couple of weeks to look over and/or just add to your nice list! Wgolf (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-born 1906-died ?[edit]

Well found this one Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-no dod mentioned though and even the article creator is not sure about him (Might want to send him a message about this also), but yeah it is one I wanted to bring up. Wgolf (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

He's definitely deceased per several sources, I just cannot find an exact date. Canadian Paul 19:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

more living/possibly living 90+[edit]

Mikko Vainio-Possibly living, born 1923-the ref is dead so not sure. Yves Vincent-born 1921, living. José Díaz Morales-born 1908-possibly living. P. R. Srinivasan-Born 1920, living. Robert Lucas (field hockey)-Born 1922, living. Wgolf (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A 100+ person I found on the backlog of the new page feed who died this year[edit]

Here: Russell Pierson. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi Paul. Just a heads-up that I'm now working through creating biographies for all shooters at the 1956 Summer Games. I think everyone created so far is in the correct living/possibly living categories. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Great! I'll take a look at them some time in the near future; thanks for the heads up. Canadian Paul 16:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem. They're all created now. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Went through them all, but did not add Roy Congreve, Francisco Otayza, or Enrique Lucca to my list, as I've received information that they are all deceased, but not through sources appropriate for Wikipedia. Canadian Paul 23:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. All the shooters from 1960 now have biographies. Again, I believe they're in the correct categories for living/possibly living. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool, I'll take a look. Canadian Paul 17:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok, went through them all. Claude Foussier died 13 December 2010, but the obituary that had the exact date went offline, so we'll have to wait until SR updates to get it back. Here's a link to demonstrate that he's deceased though. Otherwise, a handful of small changes but otherwise everything seems good. Canadian Paul 18:56, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
For info, all the 1964 shooters now have biographies. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Great! I'm a bit tight on time at the moment, but I'll take a look at them sometime soon. Canadian Paul 11:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I had more time than I thought. Alan Handford-Rice died in December 2000, which will be up on Sports Reference eventually, and I changed two 1925 births to "possibly living", but otherwise all looks good. Canadian Paul 12:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Annie Glenn[edit]

I don't really have the time to clean it up, but it appears that a good chunk of the article is a copyvio of [7]... Connormah (talk) 17:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Good spot! I've just cut most of it out; others can expand if they so choose. Canadian Paul 17:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Shibban Lal Saxena-born 1906[edit]

Highly doubtful they are living, but there is Shibban Lal Saxena-who someone kept on putting as being alive (born in 1906), but no refs at all! Wgolf (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Now replying to something I put nearly a year ago lol, someone put they died in the 80s, but with no refs. Wgolf (talk) 04:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Ralf Olin[edit]

I believe he's alive in British Columbia per public records, for what it's worth. There's a source stating he was living in Ladysmith, BC in the 80s, and he appears in Victoria, BC on Just for future reference; probably not really enough to put him back in the living cat. Connormah (talk) 05:17, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I suspected he was still alive even before you posted this. I correspond occasionally with someone at the Canadian Olympic Committee... I should shoot him a message and see if he knows if Olin is still alive. Canadian Paul 16:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Ponjikara Raphi-found this one while looking at people who had persondatas under a certain amount of bytes-born 1924[edit]

Ponjikara Raphi, yeah apparently was born in 1924-I'm guessing he is alive. Wgolf (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, added. Canadian Paul 18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Harry Stradling, Jr.-turned 90 at the start of the year[edit]

Harry Stradling, Jr.-from what I can tell this guy still is living also! Wgolf (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, added. Canadian Paul 18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Shojiro Sugimura-Born April 4, 1905[edit]

Find it highly unlikely this guy is alive, but I found the DOB for Shojiro Sugimura, the year this guy played made me think it is unlikely he is alive also. (There is also this guys brother Shozaburo Sugimura-not sure when he was around though) Wgolf (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I added him to the "year of death missing" category. Despite what the possibly living people category says, there seems to be an WP:IAR consensus that anyone 110 or over should be in YOD missing unless there's evidence that they are alive. At least, I think there's a consensus, since I'm not aware of ever having been reverted for changing the category for that reason. Canadian Paul 17:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Eugene Rogers, alive and kicking . . .[edit]

CP, what do we have to verify Eugene Rogers is still alive? Half the internet lists him as dead -- based on the former version of the Wikipedia article: [8]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - @Dirtlawyer1: - A quick public records search shows that he appears to be still living, and his wife's obit in 2013 [9] shows him still living, but CP might have some more. Connormah (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Connormah. had him listed as dead in 2004, and we included that in the article until 2014; SR subsequently removed Rogers' date of death. Must be kinda shocking to be 90+ years old and see multiple internet sites listing you as having died 10 years ago. In the last 60 days, I have sent a number of corrections to Sports-Reference, involving birth places and dates, as well as the problem of SR showing swimmers and sprinters in the heats as having been awarded medals when they didn't compete in the finals prior to 1984. SR has yet to respond to corrections that I sent them in May and early June. I can understand individual errors, based on their IOC source or individual news reports, but they've been aware of the problem of pre-1984 medals for athletes in the qualifying heats for several years -- and that is not an IOC source error. As a result, my confidence in the 99.9% accuracy of SR as a go-to Olympics reference has been somewhat shaken. Dirtlawyer1 (talk)
Ah, so for Rogers being alive, I have an email from his daughter that was sent to Sports Reference claiming that he was still alive and, indeed, the 2004 DOD for Eugene Rogers was actually for a Eugene Rogers born one day off of the Olympian, so it was just a strange coincidence. I can forward that email to OTRS if need be. As for the SR corrections, it's a small group of volunteers behind the data, so sometimes it takes a while to respond to messages, although May/June is unusual in terms of a delay. This makes me think that they have not been forwarded the emails by the webmaster (the data and the website are two different groups, which is also why corrections sometimes take months to appear on SR, even when the data is corrected immediately). If you send the corrections to my Wikipedia email, I can bring them to the group directly, since I have their direct emails. Canadian Paul 16:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, CP. An authenticated email from Mr. Rogers' daughter works for me. I do think it is important that we leave some sort of written paper trail, because most of the Wikipedia mirror sites and a goodly number of others continue to report Rogers as having died in 2004. With your permission, I will copy and paste this thread to the article talk page; anyone who wants further details/documentation of your correspondence with the daughter may inquire directly of you. I'll also add a hidden text note to the "death_date" infobox parameter. I'm in the process of working through the last 100 or so of the 620 U.S. Olympic swimmer bios, transferring all usable persondata to the articles' Wikidata profiles, and by necessity reviewing the infobox data and comparing it to Wikidata and persondata before deleting the persondata. After I am done with the American swimmers, I will do the same for the Aussies, Canadians and Brits, too.
As for the Sports-Reference corrections and updates, I will start compiling my corrections and just email them to you in the future. If you have any sway with the SR website data handlers, please raise the pre-1984 medals issue for qualifying heats swimmers with them again. This issue is well documented, and I can provide sources for it if requested, but they should already be aware of the problem. I know for a fact that other Wikipedia editors (including myself) have raised this issue with the SR folks via email in the past, and I believe it is a problem for track athletes (as well as swimmers) who competed in the qualifying heats of the pre-1984 Olympic relay events. For swimming, these events include the 4x100 m freestyle relay, 4x200 m freestyle relay, and the 4x100 m medley relay. Since the 1984 Summer Olympics, when the rules for medals eligibility were changed for relay competitors, heat swimmers and sprinters have received a medal if their relay team finished in the top three, even if the particular athlete did not swim or run in the event final. SR consistently reports pre-1984 swimmers who competed only in the qualifying heats as having received medals; this is a pretty egregious historical error, and, in addition to correcting it, the pre-1984 inconsistency probably merits an explanatory note within the SR pages for the relay events and the heats-only competitors. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I do think that the pre-1984 medals has come up in the past but, rather than misquoting or misrepresenting anyone, I'll bring it up again to make sure I understand fully what's going on. I do know, however, that has been discussion about distinguishing those who received medals physically and those who received them technically (for another example, early Olympics did not give out medals for third place, but SR lists them as bronze medalists based on their final positions). As for posting the thread on Rogers' talk page, I'm all for it. Canadian Paul 17:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks, CP. I was unaware of the early years bronze medal issue. Do you know what years were involved? As for the medals-for-heat-swimmers issue, there were no medals awarded to athletes who did not swim in the finals from 1896 to 1980, so the medals listed for the first 19 Olympiads is not a small error and it leads to occasional editors and the less-knowledgeable constantly re-adding these non-medals to the infoboxes of the pre-1984 heat swimmers. If the SR folks require documentation for this, let me know. I spent a couple days on the 'net hunting down contemporary news articles, etc., from 1984 when the new rules went into effect. As proud as the SR guys are of their website, I would think they would want it to be as accurate as possible, and it is the most complete record of Olympics events I've found anywhere. Physically and technically, however, there were no medals, and no recognition for the heats-only swimmers prior to 1984. It actually makes for a good story, too, because heats-only relay swimmers set 4x100 world records in 1972 and 2008, and 4x200 world records in 1928, 1964, 1976 and 1984, only to have their new world records broken by their own finals-only teammates later on the same day or next day. That probably should be mentioned in those two world record progression articles.

As discussed, I will post a copy of the relevant portion of this thread to the Eugene Rogers article talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Frank Salvat[edit]

Until I read your article on Frank I was unaware that he had been living in Sussex or that he was dead. He was a dear friend of mine back in the '60s in London and I saw him last in 1968 when I left for Australia. I returned to London but found he had moved, and since he had been talking of emigrating to Canada I assumed he had done so. From other articles I have since read it seem he'd been married and his wife had died before him. Do you have any other information on him since 1968, Did you know him? Do you know if he went to Canada or why he was in Sussex, who he married and where/when. Failing that do you know of other people that could help? Any additional information that you could supply will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Thespisone (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about Frank Salvat; I just updated his page based on online sources; the person who started the page was User:Emeraude, so you might want to ask them. Canadian Paul 17:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I have responded to Thespisone on his talk page. Emeraude (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

More deceased Olympians[edit]

Hi Paul. For info, I've created this list. I hope to get round to doing the same for WWII at some point. If you know of someone who's not currently listed on SportsRef as being killed in either war, please let me know. I know of Eugen Schnalek. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

One that comes to mind is Heinz Sames; he went missing in action in Volgograd during World War II and I know that the SR list has not been updated recently enough to note that. In fact, it hasn't been updated for months to the best of my knowledge, so there's probably a handful that are missing but, outside of Schnalek and Sames I wouldn't know who they are. Probably best to just check again the next time the site is updated. Canadian Paul 05:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks once again, Paul. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


Check your email. --Connormah (talk) 04:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Replied. Canadian Paul 04:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I did as well. Connormah (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Battleground at WOP project pages[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul,

Thank you for being a reasonable voice in the recent discussions at WOP project pages, since some diplomacy is most definitely needed.

Regarding your comments at Talk:List_of_oldest_living_people#Criteria_for_Inclusion, I think that getting third-party, uninvolved editors to look at this project would definitely be a good idea, because it certainly seems to me that this is becoming a battleground between WOP project members and some users who act as the "WOP project police", trying to make sure that Wikipedia's policies are enforced.

I think that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koto Okubo (2nd nomination) sums up the situation perfectly. This is common of a lot of longevity-related AfD's: There's a certain number of users who typically vote to "keep" these articles and a number who typically vote to "delete". I typically vote to keep these articles for reasons that I make clear (because I am of the opinion that longevity can confer notability, and that supercentenarians are not notable for one event). However, I don't mindlessly vote to keep everything, and am quite prepared to vote delete ([10] [11] [12]) if I don't feel that the subject meets WP:GNG.

Then what happens is that users like myself are tagged as SPA's (and so seen as potentially POV pushing) and most of the other editors are not. But the problem with this is that many of the other users who regularly vote in these AfD's remain untagged because they make edits outside of the project as well, which creates the somewhat false impression that the opinions of these users is the same as the wider community's, and hence that the views of the WOP project members are grossly different to the wider community. But in reality, this may not necessarily be the case.

Now there's no denying that there that have been issues with the WOP project in the past (years back) but I only joined in December 2013. There have also been some problems more recently, and I admit that I'm guilty of some things myself - however, that was partly because it took me some time to get used to how Wikipedia works.

However, there are also clearly some civility issues with some on the "other side" ([13] [14] [15]) and I get the impression that the behaviour of some Wikipedia editors has poisoned other people's views of the GRG and the concept of age validation itself, as there seems to be an active push to not even acknowledge that age validation is a recognised concept or that the GRG is the leading authority when it comes to keeping track of the oldest people in the world.

So, I'd like to ask you what you think the best solution to this problem is, and how we could potentially go about getting more third-party opinions to end this "battle".

Cheers. - Ollie231213 (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll think about it when I have a little more time, but I think having individuals on both "sides" willing to discuss and work together (as seems to be the case once the heat dies down) and consult with third parties means that we're all working well towards the ultimate aim, which is improving the project. Canadian Paul 18:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Saul Bonnell[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryuji Fujita/Tsuguhara Foujita[edit]

Hi, I've reverted the changes back on the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid to say that the Sports Reference page ( you used is grossly mistaken, and is actually combining two artists into one Ryuji Fujita & Tsuguharu Foujita. I'll be updating Ryuji Fujita's wikipedia entry later on, but thought I'd drop you a note to let you know of the change. Watashinotabi (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I've tried to email the website to tell them about the error, but the email form doesn't seem to be working (I get a 500 Internal Server Error) Watashinotabi (talk) 07:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, do you have any evidence for this It's odd that the email form isn't working, but if you forward the message to my Wikipedia email, I can forward the proof to the site and get it changed (although Sports Reference only updates its site every several months). Canadian Paul 16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I've added sources to the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid that they're all Japanese sources though (not many people write English articles about a Japanese artist who came third in a competition it seems). To be honest when I first saw the change I thought something was up as I used to live in the town he was born (Hōhoku, Yamaguchi) and he's pretty well regarded there. So I was kind of shocked when suddenly he was marked as being born in Tokyo (though he did spend some time in Tokyo later in his life). If they need any further proof that they're not the same person, you could just let them Google "Tsuguharu Foujita olympics", and they'll see that only their site mentions that name with the olympics. Watashinotabi (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Great, thanks. I'll take a look at the sources and forward the information on. Canadian Paul 16:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Olympians -- living or dead?[edit]

Hey, CP. Here's an old-timer Olympic swimmer for you: Mary McConkey. Born 1916, 1936 Olympic athlete, listed as possibly living, approaching 100th birthday if alive. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. There is a chance that she's still alive given her age, but I haven't ever seen any evidence for it, except for a list that suggested that a certain number of 1936 Canadian Olympians might still be alive (although it didn't list them and the author never responded to my email) and McConkey was one of only a handful that could have been among them. Robert Hooper, Margaret Stone, and Margaret Bell are a couple more in a similar circumstance. Canadian Paul 16:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I can do some looking too & get back to you. Connormah (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Connormah. William Williamson was the only other one with a Wikipedia page, while Charles Campbell, Lynda Adams, and Milton Wallace were the others.



I'm concerned about your interpretation of the Koto Okubo AfD to justify going on a mass deletion nomination spree. The long term consensus seems to have been that "world's oldest person" and "world's oldest men" titleholders are notable enough for an article. Koto Okubo was different however: she was never the world's oldest person (only the world's oldest woman) and she received very little media coverage.

You seem to be inferring that because that article was deleted, long-term consensus can be overruled. Personally I think that the topic of whether WOPs/WOMs are notable enough is something you should have raised with other editors. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 18:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Your argument is based on "long-term consensus". Do you have any evidence of this consensus? And even if it did exist, consensus can change. There's no policy, anywhere, the states the WOP is automatically notable, thus each article will be judged on its own merits and by the criteria at WP:N. By nominating them for deletion, I am raising the issue with other editors; if you believe someone to be notable, then argue for keep on the AfD and demonstrate how the articles meet the criteria. Canadian Paul 18:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Murray Riley[edit]

Got any info/research on him to suggest he's deceased or alive? I've done some looking as well but can't find anything post-1980s. Connormah (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Nope, nothing at all. All things considered, it's not surprising that he dropped out of the public eye. Canadian Paul 18:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm informed he is still alive and kicking. Also he was 'operating' in Oz and O/seas during 2000's. Paul, re your edits to Murray Riley page- 1. comma after date in text is correct; eg. 'In 1961, Riley began to...' 2. "Justice" Moffitt is a respectful term and identifies him as the Commissioner of the enquiry. 3. Give thought to your edit : "[Riley]resigned from the force in 1962, despite having earlier been awarded the Queens Commendation for Brave Conduct". His award would have no bearing upon charges and his dismissal/resignation. Dingarwil (talk) 8:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dingarwil. Interesting to know that he's still alive - we can probably move him into the Living people category. In regards to your other points:
  1. I agree, I thought this was wrong, but then I looked it up and found that I was mistaken. Hence I did not re-revert.
  2. Please see WP:HONORIFIC. We cannot pick and choose what terms we deem to be "respectful"... think about how we'd have to change our biographies on religious figures alone. Removing the honorifics for everyone helps us follow a neutral point of view. As per the guideline, if you want to highlight his role, mention it in prose, but giving him a title is inappropriate.
  3. Seems to me it sets up an unlikely contradiction - one would assume that someone of the character who would receive such an award would not be charged with such serious crimes or be dismissed/resign. I do, however, see your point as well, so if you want to revert that, I won't protest. Canadian Paul 22:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

All Good Paul! He became my hobby when our paths crossed many years ago. Cheers Dingarwil (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Marie Laure du-Serre-Telmon[edit]

I'm writing to inform you that your PROD was removed from this article by what appears to be a sock. I had restored it after that user was bloacked but it was removed by them again under another account. You may wish to take it to AFD. Anyway good day.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for trying. It was probably a little unreasonable of me to think that PRODding would be appropriate anyways. Canadian Paul 21:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

British Olympian, possibly alive at 95[edit]

CP: I don't know if anyone has mentioned British Empire Games silver medalist Margaret Jeffrey to you, but I can find no record of her death. She would be 95 if still alive. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, she's on my list, but I haven't been able to find anything on her, or even if she had a name change... so I guess she'll have to stay in possibly living for now... Canadian Paul 00:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

From the shortest bios page-Liu Jie, born 1915, claims to be living but no sources at all[edit]

Found Liu Jie, born 1915 which claims he is living but no sources, so maybe you could look into this, thanks! Wgolf (talk) 22:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Living people who are 90+ to add sometime (from the new page feed)[edit]

Janusz Kłosiński-born 1920, Wadie P. Deddeh-born 1920, Allan Watt-born 1920, Lyubow Demeetriyevna Oosava-born 1921, Whang-od-born 1918, Yael Dowker-born 1919, Aleksey Ivanovich Kandinsky-born 1918, Teoh Seng Khoon-born 1918, Armando Francioli-born 1919, Jane Ellen Usher-born 1917.

found quite a few possibly living as well. Wgolf (talk) 00:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Turner (footballer)-born 1910, not sure if living or not[edit]

Okay so I doubt it, and it oddly says living people, but I can't find if the person is dead or not. The profile on soccer IE says died 2006-though I've found that on most of the profiles on there. Wgolf (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Iris Cummings, '36 Olympian[edit]

Hey, CP. Here's another ancient Olympian, approaching her 95th birthday in a few weeks: Iris Cummings. Apparently alive and kicking. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed. In fact, I knew her so well, I started her article and brought it up to GA, haha. Canadian Paul 04:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Oops. Next time I'll check the article history before bringing another still-living, old-time Olympian to your attention. Cummings has an interesting life story; it's a fun read. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Missing date of death[edit]

Hey, CP. Perhaps you could track down a date of death for Australian Olympic diver-swimmer Lily Beaurepaire? She would be 122 if still alive, almost certainly dead now. What's the drill for checking Aussie death records? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Usually the Ryerson Index is a good source for Australian deaths, but Lillian Clarke is just too common a name to track down in that database with any certain. Not to mention that her husband died in 1936, so she could have easily remarried and changed her name once again. You may have some luck if you have an account (see the link), but that's probably a false lead. Canadian Paul 23:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Probably could track her through her brother. Perhaps his 1956 obit mentions her whereabouts (if alive then). Connormah (talk) 07:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Replied at the DRV. I'll think about my response to the issue as a general practice. Canadian Paul 16:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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Olympian Nosratollah Momtahen[edit]

Hi Paul. Hope you're well. For info, I've raised this at BLPN. Details of the subject's death have been re-added (and removed) recently. Have a great Christmas! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lugnuts. You know, on closer inspection, I think that that link actually does confirm the information. The dates are by the Hijri calendar and I haven't bothered to convert them, but this time I see his name in the link (maybe the last link was an incorrect one?). Anyways, I read Arabic rather than Persian, so I wouldn't hurt to have confirmation at the noticeboard anyways. Happy holidays! Canadian Paul 16:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Wishing you all the best . . .[edit]

Merry Christmas, CP, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Dirtylawyer1, happy holidays! Canadian Paul 16:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Olympic shooters[edit]

Hi Paul. Hope you had a great Christmas/New Year. All the shooters at the 1968 games now have articles. Again, I think they're all in the relevant living/possibly living categories where applicable. Have a great 2016. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Nice. I'll have a look when I get a little more time. Happy New Years! Canadian Paul 19:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Went through and took a look and have a couple thoughts:
Otherwise it looks good. That's some fine work. Canadian Paul 22:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Possibly living-Kerima (actress)-born February 9, 1925[edit]

Kerima (actress), the article is written in past tense like she is deceased-but nothing to back it up. Wgolf (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Added. You can't really conjecture anything from the tense in which the article is written, since that's usually just a personal style/decision of the original author and it may not have any basis in considerations of living/deceased. Canadian Paul 18:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Dudley Williams (public servant)-born in 1909 and listed as living on here[edit]

Found this on the new page feed-Dudley Williams (public servant), says born in 1909 and still living, not sure if this is true or if its because there is no date of death the creator thought they are alive! Wgolf (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Looks like that was fixed. Wgolf (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Splendid. One less to add to the old list. Canadian Paul 17:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


Regarding these reverts: Please make sure that you set the up-to-date URLs: is dead for more than a year now, the contents of the old database have been moved to This issue was fixed by using {{FISA}}. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I have updated the links. May I suggest that a more informative edit summary, as well as not replacing a proper citation with a template, will help prevent similar reversions in the future. Canadian Paul 17:55, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay thanks. In the past days I updated much more than 1.000 old weblinks (plus its IPs and in ~15 Wikipedia editions, which have been being dead for at least 15 months now. So this was *a lot of* c+p action to replace the old, hard coded weblinks with templates for potential future URL updates and of course working links for now. I apologize for the short edit summary in this case—for most edits I used longer ones that already indicated that the old link was dead (see my list of contributions). However, this was indeed the only case that was reverted, out of the 1.000+ updates… :-) Regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 21:13, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Please from the bottom of my heart.Can you have a look?[edit]

User:Only seems to be the suckpuppet of User:GiantSnowman which seems to be a Wikipedia master eraser: Max Merkel, Alex Notman, Slaven Bilić and many others articles, he has a really long edits history, this user needs special watching ! Also User:Only acuse people for vandalism and deleting referenced text, User:GiantSnowman prefers to deletes around instead of doing the job properly, they have a mini band and act like superior users which is meatpupetry, is like mafie of wikipedia in my opinion !-- (talk) 22:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC), GiantSnowman is an admin, been around here a long time and is the person I goto for football advice. Only is also an admin and has been around here for a long time. Neither one are sockpuppets. They are reverting your edits because there are no references. You need to add refs. I would revert too. Please add references. Bgwhite (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

see [16] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:59, 29 January 2016 (UTC) GiantSnowman deletes massive content of Wikipedia and expect other people to do the work, even if you go on other language wikipedia you can probably find reference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I am worried for ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA PROJECT ! English wikipedia articles will be "white" blacked with no information because of this attitude !-- (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

People are to busy to block sockpuppets instead of helping the quality and quantity of articles !! ANd because of this people will not edit anymore !! or will get block !! is a major problem in my opinion !! (I want the best in a bright future for Wikipedia !)-- (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Bypassing redirects[edit]

Hi there, I just wanted to say that bypassing redirects such as this one may not always be beneficial, per WP:NOTBROKEN. But maybe you have good reasons that I'm overlooking. Thanks for all your good work, Gap9551 (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gap9551: Hmmm, it appears that my response to this somehow did not post. Regardless; the only reason that I bypassed the redirect was because, in this case, it leads somewhere completely unexpected, so I figured that it might be nice to have just a little hint that you'll be going somewhere very different. Overall, however, I have no objection to be reverted. The policy makes sense too. Canadian Paul 17:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, you're right that hovering over the link would give useful information on the destination of the link. There is something to say for each option. Gap9551 (talk) 17:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Oldest Peers[edit]

Just noticed that you defended the oldest peers page that I overtook some years ago. Thank you for that. It seems I have to delete my account now. Because nothing I've ever edited is longer save from this christianfaithed dumbhead.--Dangermouse600 (talk) 15:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Marta Brilej-born 1917, says living, but...[edit]

Okay so I found Marta Brilej on Wikipedia:Database reports/Biographies of living people possibly eligible for deletion. It says she is living and was born in 1917, however there are no references at all and nothing indicating she is alive either! Wgolf (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

BTW I have been finding some that often appear towards the bottom of Wikipedia:Database reports/Potential biographies of living people (2). Granted its updated weekly and you might need to look through older updates also! Wgolf (talk) 18:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Right now, I really don't have the time to be perusing the reports; they never disappear, so I can always examine them at a later date. Canadian Paul 18:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I can understand-some of those never do it seems! I often just add some of those to my favorites and look at them later if ever. Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


Everytime I happen to stumble upon user Libstar and user James500 edits they are at kindergarten level, attacking each other and baiting each other to continue bickering. It takes one glance at their talk pages to see how they are disrupting each others Wiki-lives :) Especially Libstar who has been an editor here for years should know better. Anyway, just letting some good admin know. Regards,BabbaQ (talk) 10:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Well I'll take a look/keep an eye on it when I get the chance. But I resent the accusation of being a good admin. Canadian Paul 17:01, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Stuart A. Reiss-showed at last nights in memorium-listed as 90+ people still living[edit]

Stuart A. Reiss, not sure when he died though! Wgolf (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, public records suggest that he died in 2014, although I could not find anything more substantial than that. Canadian Paul 15:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Delmer Berg[edit]

Hi-According to the Union Democrat newspaper Death Notices for March 1, 2016, Delmer Berg died on February 28, 2016 in Columbia, California. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Rudolf Schönbeck[edit]

Hello Canadian Paul. Can you tell me how you came to the date of November 6 in this edit. [17] The source mentions nothing about it. Thanks. --Intimidator (talk) 15:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm, that's odd. It's possible I pasted the wrong obituary, but I can't find any others at the moment. The date is, however, available at Sports Reference, so I have updated that link. Canadian Paul 16:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
I could swear that there wasn't any death notice at all at sports-reference yesterday. Thats enough for me. Thank you very much.--Intimidator (talk) 19:21, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
The Sports Reference link was actually outdated - I replaced it with the correct one that had the updated death information - which is probably why you don't recall seeing it :). Canadian Paul 20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Václav Balšán-racewalker from 1945, no DOB mentioned[edit]

Václav Balšán was put as a living person, changed it to possibly living, no dob so no clue if living or not! Wgolf (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Some people who are over 90 who are listed as possibly living[edit]

A few of these are Olympians btw. Found quite a few, not going to list everyone though! Here: Tetsuji Fukushima (born in 1914), Évelyne Pinard (born May 15, 1923), Gwen Sterry (born 1905-I really doubt this one!), Mishaal bin Saud al-Rashid Al Saud (born 1918), Frederick Charles (designer) (born 1909), Jon Wright (footballer) (born January 30, 1925), Punya Datta (born June 21, 1924), Vincenzo Lucchini (born January 9, 1925), [[Kim Nam-gu] (born October 8, 1923), Juan Jorge Giha, Sr. (born October 23, 1922), Enrique Rebora (born October 5, 1924), Somsak Chaiyarate (born January 22, 1923), František Vlk (born May 30, 1925), Lou Mangan (born May 26, 1922), Lyal Keighran (born September 12, 1923), Les Gardner (born September 30, 1923), Sisir Mustafi (born January 1, 1920), C. Clayton Hoff (born 1908), Kamal Mahgoub (born December 10, 1921)

Yeah there are quite a bit more as you could guess. (some are on your talk page already but not on the other lists, just left them off for now) Wgolf (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at these when I have the time. Canadian Paul 22:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Sung-Yang Lee-listed as being born in 1922 and living, though I believe they are listed as deceased on the Chinese wiki[edit]

Okay so I found Sung-Yang Lee listed as being born in 1922 and living, yet on the Chinese wiki from what I can tell it looks like they died in 1976, but not 100% sure. Wgolf (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Kim Seok-chul-says year of birth missing though some sorces say he was born in 1922, not sure if he is living or not though[edit]

Kim Seok-chul, found him on the shortest bios, the way it is worded sounds like he has died and has no DOB. When I looked him up on Google it said born in 1922. I'm looking around more. Wgolf (talk) 01:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC) Okay found one place saying 1922-2005, not sure if its reliable or not though! Wgolf (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hatsuno Goto-Born 1903 and still living, no refs though[edit]

Here: Hatsuno Goto. Wgolf (talk) 04:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed for deletion. I'll check out the others later. Canadian Paul 21:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Raymonde Veber Jones-born 1917 and still living![edit]

Raymonde Veber Jones, they appeared on the shortest bios-and at first I moved it to possibly living until someone found a ref saying they are indeed still alive! So here is someone new to add! Wgolf (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I'll add her. Canadian Paul 02:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

George Haigh-born 1915 and still living[edit]

Found George Haigh, which the only links seem to go to John George Haigh, but mentions being the oldest footballer possibly. Wgolf (talk) 05:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow, that's quite the find! Here's one of many links claiming that he is the oldest footballer in the world, which should be good enough to change categories for a lot of articles! Canadian Paul 15:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Some 90+ people living still[edit]

Here are some I have found William Evan Sanders (born 1919), Werner Goering (born 1924), Seymour S. Cohen (born 1917), Marie Johnson Calloway (born 1920), Judit Reigl (born 1923), Jacinto do Carmo Marques (born 1921), Dominique Nohain (born 1925), Jack Pinoteau (born 1923). Wgolf (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

It might help me go through these if they were condensed into one discussion. Canadian Paul 04:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Chet Murphy[edit]

Hey CP. Would appreciate your input on this one >

Cheers, --Jkaharper (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

@Jkaharper: Replied. Also, see my note on Alfons Olszewski. I have it from a very reliable source that he is alive and turned 100, but the web source confirms at least that he did not die in 2006. Canadian Paul 14:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Also also, I saw a note on a less reliable source that Tate died in 2015 prior to her 100th birthday, so I suspect that she did not make her centenary. Canadian Paul 14:04, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Have taken Murphy to the talk page you suggested. I assume you meant to say Pasmore? I think you're right. A 100th birthday article would've been a given seeing as her work is exhibited by the Tate Gallery. Pity that we're missing a proper obituary. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Oops, yes, I meant Pasmore. A proper obituary on Murphy would be useful as well though... Canadian Paul 14:51, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


In this change you said the obituary said Kerima was still living. But when I access it today, it says again that she died first. Any ideas? MB 15:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Odd, that source keeps changing its mind. It might be better to put her back into the possibly living people category until something more definitive turns up? Canadian Paul 14:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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Welcome back![edit]

Hi Paul. Glad to see you back, noticed you were gone throughout September. Olympic update for you - I've been working on all the missing swimmers and I'm now up to 1956. I think they're all the correct categories for dead/possibly living. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:28, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, took me a long time to get reliable internet in my new place. I should be good to go now, however, so I'll check out those Olympians once I catch up on everything else. Canadian Paul 18:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Actually I had some time to look at this: Walter Pavlicek died November 24, 2004 and Jesús Domínguez died March 24, 2003, which Sports Reference will update eventually. Donald Shanks (swimmer) and Taha Youssef El-Gamal are also deceased, but I don't have a Wikipedia-reliable source for either. Finally, you have a lot of 1928-1936 swimmers listed as deceased that I have as possibly living. Before I convert them en masse, did you have a source that suggested that most of them are deceased? Canadian Paul 08:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
@Lugnuts:Anything on the 1928-1936 swimmers? I found that Emilio Vives is deceased for certain as well (as is shooter Fulvio Rocchi, but I don't have a reliable enough source for Wikipedia or an exact DOD). Canadian Paul 12:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Great work as always. I have nothing more to add to their biographies. On a related note, I've been clearing this list from WikiData. Basically they are showing as living on here, but have a date of death parameter on WikiData. I've seen a fair few Olympians as I've been checking! Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 12:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
@Lugnuts: No I meant, was there a reason that you listed most of the 1928-1936 swimmers as deceased? Just wanted to know before I change any categories. And yeah, I've glanced at that list... scares me a bit, but I might get to helping you all tackle it soon. Canadian Paul 13:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, I see what you mean! IIFC, I checked against the Olympic list on your userpage and hopefully put them in the correct category. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 13:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Makes more sense now I see my watchlist! It's been a while since I worked on the pre-war Olympians and I've forgotten about the possibly living status. Sorry about that. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 19:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Paul, nice to see you around. I've got 2 more centenarians to be added to their respective lists when you get the time: John B. Johnson (politician), William A. Enemark. Cheers! Connormah (talk) 02:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Both added. If you have any living nonagenarians that you created recently, feel free to send them my way. Canadian Paul 17:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Just two of them recently (that I can remember): Alma W. Byrd, Henry Sayler (Florida politician). Connormah (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
There's a few in some recent creations as well, of note, DeWitt Hale, 99. Connormah (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@Connormah: Oops, missed this one. I'll add him soon. Thanks. Canadian Paul 12:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Vonda Phelps[edit]

Hi Paul, you my be interested in some recent conversations at Talk:List of surviving silent film actors and Talk:Vonda Phelps. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey Derby. I'm still catching up a bit, but I'll definitely take a look at it soon! Canadian Paul 17:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Sara Ahmed (weightlifter)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 16 October 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sara Ahmed (weightlifter), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2016, Sara Ahmed became the first Egyptian woman to receive an Olympic medal? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sara Ahmed (weightlifter). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sara Ahmed (weightlifter)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)


Hi, can you consider entering articles you do into the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon rather than the Challenge at the moment. Even if not interested in prizes as it's an editathon as well. Most of the articles will join the challenge list once the contest is complete anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Sure no problem; I won't be going for the prizes so I won't add them to the entry list, but if it makes it easier on everyone else, then I can move them to the destubathon - I'll move Rhodesia and Usman now (Ahmed was too early for the destubathon). Canadian Paul 16:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
There's plenty of editors adding articles to the destubathon list not interested in prizes! Ms Sarah Welch right? People not interested in prizes can just skip the entries page and treat it as an editathon and add to the main list! Excellent work BTW!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Got it and done! I'd compete seriously if I had more time, but currently being in Africa takes up most of mine. Canadian Paul 16:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rhodesia at the Olympics[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Rhodesia at the Olympics[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Rhodesia at the Olympics[edit]

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Luigi Vanzi-Born 1925, page says he is living, though I'm not sure if he is or not[edit]

So I found Luigi Vanzi, says he was born in 1925 and still living. Although I can't find any info about him after the 1970s, might want to add this guy though. Wgolf (talk) 03:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Added. Canadian Paul 14:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Just found on the new page feed a Austrian who lived to be 100[edit]

Wilhelm Winkler, he was alive from 1884-1984. Wgolf (talk) 00:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Rhodesia at the Olympics[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 8 November 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rhodesia at the Olympics, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rhodesian athletes were permitted to attend their events at the 1972 Summer Olympics, but not participate in them? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rhodesia at the Olympics. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rhodesia at the Olympics), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Egypt at the 1906 Intercalated Games[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Egypt at the 1906 Intercalated Games at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 10:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins[edit]


Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

A new user right for New Page Patrollers[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins).MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Salah Dessouki[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 19 November 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Salah Dessouki, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Salah Dessouki. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Salah Dessouki), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, Canadian Paul. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. Mdann52 (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

New 10,000 Challenge for Canada[edit]

Hi, Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada/The 10,000 Challenge is up and running based on Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge for the UK which has currently produced over 2300 article improvements and creations. If you'd like to see large scale quality improvements happening for Canada like The Africa Destubathon, which has produced over 1600 articles in 5 weeks, sign up on the page. The idea will be an ongoing national editathon/challenge for Canada but fuelled by a contest such as The North America Destubathon to really get articles on every province and subject mass improved. I would like some support from Canadian wikipedians here to get the Challenge off to a start with some articles to make doing a Destubathon worthwhile! Cheers. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Egypt at the 1956 Summer Olympics[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 30 November 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Egypt at the 1956 Summer Olympics, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that although Egypt boycotted the 1956 Summer Olympics, it still sent three athletes to the Games? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Egypt at the 1956 Summer Olympics. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Egypt at the 1956 Summer Olympics), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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