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Person who I think should go under year of death missing instead of possibly living[edit]

João Pereira (swimmer), born in 1905-that would make him one of the oldest people ever. I think that maybe he should be removed from there. (I found a few other odd ones on the possibly living section such as a politician who was in the 20s even), I have found some I moved there recently and a few I have found are alive. (One case was someone listed under year of death missing who in fact is alive and well and was even working on films in the 90s) But yes this seems to be a case where it is likely they are dead. (I am just looking up people in this cat for some reason)

Wgolf (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I have removed nearly all the 19th century people out of Possibly living people

So yeah just a few remain, I did add quite a few people as well that were very questionable. (Some of them I doubt are alive, but you never know) It took a while. Still am finding some to add and/or remove from that cat. Anyway, some odd ones I knew couldn't be alive such as one guy that was in WW1 and in the 1920 Olympics. While some people that were listed as living instead of possible living were born as early as 1902! It does get hectic for sure! Well good luck editing!

Wgolf (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

And then I just added a bunch more into possibly living-quite a bit of them seem to be Brazilian swimmers who were born in the 1910's that someone added about a year ago (with no info on them for years which it seemed that the one adding them was under the impression that no date of death meant they were alive)

I could show which ones might need a look after... Wgolf (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

All good stuff, thanks. When it comes to Olympians, drop a message on my talk page and I might be able to help, since I have access to a lot of offline resources that can help determine whether or not they are alive. Feel free to leave any names you want me to check on my talk page... I'm off on a month-long research trip soon, so I can't promise that I'll get to them soon, but I will get to them. Canadian Paul 18:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks-over the weekend I was finding some that seemed unlikey (one just made me laugh that I knew couldn't possibly be alive when it said something like "Published a book in 1910") And I managed to find some online also. One guy this morning I found was a Australian footballer from the 20s I knew couldn't be alive and found enough proof when I saw his son was born in the 20s and that his son mentioned his fathers passing in a interview. I was trying to find some info about a bunch of film people from the 1940s-1970s recently but some just seemed impossible to be alive but still put as possibly living (Like a guy who worked on the Ten Commandments-probably not alive but no info otherwise) I also figured anyone who was in any sports pre 1925 is likely dead. (to my knowledge only one Olympian from 1928 is alive even) Now here are some people that are listed as living/possibly living that are born before 1915, but have no link to turning 100: Arnulf Solvoll, Marie Luise Bulst-Thiele, Jack O'Reilly, Eleanor Sokoloff, Elizabeth Hartley (Girl Guides), Mordechaï Podchlebnik, William Morton (tenor), Charles Foley (journalist), Israel Zafrir, Miguel Ángel Pantó, Abdul Karim Disu, Pedro Pagés. Most of those are either listed as living or recently were moved from living into possibly living.

Wgolf (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

As it seems unlikely they be alive. Hermine Riss, P. C. Bhattacharya, Allan G.S. Coombs, Lev Borisovich Helfand, Erling Poppe, Floyd E. Shurbert, James Frederick Sangala, Earl W. Warren

People who I am considering: Rita Gorgonowa-she is under missing people, William Thomas (rugby league born c. 1905)-He is listed as possibly born in 1905, but it seems likely he is dead now., Rd Ariffien-likely, can't find a list for this country and Indonesia seems to be famous for having very longevity claims, Luis-Augusto García-this is one that someone might of just put born in the 1900s meaning the 20th century given how they played tennis in the late 60s

Wgolf (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I just found a bunch of politicians from Wisconsin with no date of death that were under possibly living-which if they were really alive they be the oldest ones ever and would have tons of coverage on them. (Was looking up some political people then and found a bunch from there) Wgolf (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you could please not edit my user pages directly, as the last three entries you added to the Olympic list were inappropriate. As I mentioned above, I have many offline resources that indicate that many people listed as "living" or "possibly living" on Wikipedia are actually deceased, I just don't have Wikipedia-appropriate evidence to prove it. Thanks. Canadian Paul 23:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha okay sorry[edit]

Well the link had no ref to him dying and I couldn't find any info on the last Swiss one so that was what I was using, well thanks!

Wgolf (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone who you put as deceased earlier but has since became possibly living[edit]

I just noticed on the history for this one: Sekiji Sasano it is possibly living though you did put deceased. Not sure where to find if they are or not though now. (looks like someone changed it soon after you did) Just wanted to point this out really quick, thanks.

Wgolf (talk) 03:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I've restored him to the "year of death missing" category with the same citation. I'll look at everything else when I a more reliable internet connection. Canadian Paul 13:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Oldest ever Asian person[edit]

Hello CanadianPaul,

It was suggested by DerbyCountyinNZ that I contact you directly regarding an issue to do with Misao Okawa's article.

I was in favour of including the information that she is now the oldest verified person from Asia now that she has surpassed the final age of Tane Ikai.

However, Derby undid my edits, citing WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and WP:TRIVIA.

He claims (and I quote):

  1. Wikipedeia is not the GRG.
  2. Nothing in the GRG list mentions Asia.
  3. Using Okawa's nationality from the GRG conclude that she is from Asia violates WP:SYNTH (even if it is true).
  4. Mentioning that Okawa is the oldest person from Asia without a proper citation that actually mentions that this is the case violates OR.
  5. If there is any citation used in her article that does not mention she is from Japan I would be surprised (I'm not going to bother checking ALL of them). None of them (AFAIK) mention anything about Asia.
  6. The fact that there is no mention in any source that Okawa is the oldest person in Asia is sufficient to conclude that this information is trivia and including it would violate WP:TRIVIA.

Now, I understand that rules and guidelines exist for a reason - however, sometimes, breaking the rules are not a bad thing.

The GRG lists do not include continents, but they do include country of birth and death - and I really don't think that we need a separate citation to tell us that Japan is in Asia.

I refer to the one of the "Five pillars of Wikipedia" - namely "Wikipedia has no firm rules: Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. Their principles and spirit matter more than their literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making an exception.".

Furthermore, I refer to WP:WIARM and WP:UCS.

"Wikipedia has many rules. Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution."

One of the goals of longevity-related articles is to inform readers about longevity records and those who hold them. Unfortunately, by following Wikipedia's rules to the letter and showing no willingness to allow common sense to prevail, Derby is hindering us in our attempt to achieve these goals.

He claims that consensus has already been reached on the talk page to not include this information - however, that consensus was related to the inclusion of lists of longevity milestones.

If you have the time, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.


Ollie231213 (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Let me take a look. Canadian Paul 13:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oldest VFL/AFL player[edit]

Hi Paul. I've seen you make some edits to Aussie rules article with the edit summary that Jack Pimm is the oldest living VFL/AFL player. You might be interested in this article I just came across from Carlton Football Club which has Mac Wilson (born 1914) as the oldest living player instead, with Pimm apparently not even making the top six. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Dammit, I shouldn't have trusted that other source. I'm abroad with spotty internet right now, but I'll try and clean up my mess soon. Thanks for letting me know! Canadian Paul 13:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Sailing at the Olympics[edit]

Canadian Paul,

Thanks for helping to get the information on the pages about sailing at the Olympics correct. You are one of the few who adding value to the pages. In stead of removing valuable pictures or other info for reasons I never understand.


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Thanks. I do what I can! Canadian Paul 17:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

GA review[edit]

I have started reviewing Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics, for some reason the bot hasn't told you yet. NickGibson3900 Talk 10:30, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks for letting me know! For fair disclosure, you may want to review the talk page, and particularly the last GA review, to understand why there is a tag on the page and to decide if you really want to review the article... but I think both I and the last reviewer would greatly appreciate an outside/third opinion on the issue concerning the lead. Canadian Paul 23:32, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Korean Olympian page moves[edit]

Hi Paul. I'd appreciate your input into this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look at it shortly. Canadian Paul 17:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow[edit]

Hi. I don't want it to seem like I am edit warring but you appear to have overlooked this reflink I added: Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's 100th birthday. Sorry for referring to your "mistake" in talk page comment. Yours, Quis separabit? 23:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

No, what I am saying (and said on the Dow talkpage) is that I don't understand why the Reference to Ellen Albertini Dow's age as 100 in what appears to be a reliable and unbiased source ( is also not acceptable. Sorry for playing talkpage tag. By the way, are you going to open the discussion at WP:BLPN, which you referenced on the Dow talkpage? Yours, Quis separabit? 23:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Connie Dion[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Your recent change to Søren Kam[edit]

Hello Canadian Paul,

Thanks for this edit, I see you took the time to keep the permissible information. I have made a similar edit to the Danish version of the same article.

FYI, I did not cite the person's current address nor the names of any of his possibly still living relatives. In fact all the place names that I did cite are in Denmark and thus surely not connected to him anymore (due to the warrant for his arrest for murder).

As you can see from my contribution history, I have made numerous edits regarding WWII-biographies and I guess that on this one occasion, I forgot that the subject is actually alive. I will make sure to be more careful with my future contributions.

Thanks again and all the best, Lklundin (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Help with a date of birth?[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul - I seem to remember that at various points in the past you have helped with dates of birth and had access to SSDI. If you still do this sort of thing, could you help me with a date of birth for Bart Quinn, a college and professional basketball player of the late 30s/early 40s? According to this obituary, he died on March 3, 2013 at the age of 96. I'd like to create an article for the guy, but have not been able to track down a DOB. Thanks for any help/direction you can provide! Rikster2 (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@Rikster2: (talk page stalker) - From [1] I got that his name is Bartus Quinn. His DOB is 19 Feb 1917. [2] [3] Connormah (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, thank you Connormah. Canadian Paul 21:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

John-R. Luck[edit]

Hey - can you do a search to see if John-R. Luck is still alive? I found a news reference that may suggest it (see the history), but nothing concrete. Connormah (talk) 02:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I didn't see anything more definitive or recent than your source but, since he's under the age of 90, he should be fine in the living people category. Canadian Paul 21:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Can you do a check in your sources to see if Irvin C. Scarbeck is still alive? I can't find anything. had that he died in prison, but he was paroled, so I think that's wrong. Connormah (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
One more thing - recently the death of Rosella Towne was reported. She had a hoax obit in 2012, but I believe this time it's correct. See the memorial link I found and cited on her page, along with an obit that someone wrote. I also found cites to her marriage to Harry Kronman. Connormah (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry[edit]

To you and yours


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Your GA nomination of Connie Dion[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Connie Dion[edit]

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Olympians at the 1936 Summer Games[edit]

Hi Paul. I've been working on adding bios for all the sport shooters and I'm now up to 1936. I think they're all deceased, with the possible exception of this guy who was 17 when he competed. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look shortly. Canadian Paul 16:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
No probs. Just added this centenarian too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Nice find! Canadian Paul 21:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Went through the 1936ers and found a few more than should be in possibly living, and added all the 1948ers that you have listed in your subpage thus far. Speaking of that subpage, you have Jan Wrzosek listed there twice under 1936. Canadian Paul 00:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul. For info, I've now added bios for all the shooters at the 1948 Games. I think they're all in the correct categories for living/possibly living, etc. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
All biographies for the shooters at the 1952 Games have been created too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. There's three that you can probably move out of "possibly living": Albert Fichefet was probably born in 1903, at least according to the Olympic report, Panagiotis Linardakis is deceased per [4], and André Taupin is listed as deceased in the database (although I don't have a source). Canadian Paul 22:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Keith Woodall[edit]

Hey, I saw you added a DOD for keith Woodall - where did it come from? SIHR doesn't have it and I'd like to update the DB with it. On another note, Don Edwards can be added to the centenarian list if he hasn't already... Connormah (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, where'd you get the full date for Kenneth Moore (ice hockey)? Connormah (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, both of the dates came from Sports Reference, but I presume that you're asking where SR got its data. According to the notes attached to the update, Woodall's information came from a family tree, so probably on some pay site, but I don't know the full details. Moore's information came from a Winnipeg Free Press obituary. I don't have the exact date, but presumably sometime shortly after his death. Canadian Paul 07:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI - I confirmed the Woodall death per an obituary. Connormah (talk) 22:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey - just found another centenarian: George W. Clarke (Washington politician) Connormah (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add him to the appropriate list shortly. Canadian Paul 21:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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A Jewish supercentaurian I found on the new page feed who died in 2009[edit]

Maria Pogonowska, though I can't find a category for her, was wondering if you could put her on some list. Thanks Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not even certain if she meets the notability guidelines, to be honest. I'll have to take a closer look. Canadian Paul 21:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Was about to put a BLP prod on someone but the year of birth was 1921[edit]

for Stefano Ferrari, I just moved him to possibly living, thought you might be able to find if living or dead. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 21:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Could not find anything, which is par for the course for Italian footballers. Sorry. Canadian Paul 23:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you know if there is a new tool to search for articles if someone is living or not and other stuff?[edit]

Since it seems this one: no longer works. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Sort of. You can type:

incategory:"Living people" incategory:"1910 births"

into the search bar and find all articles that are in both the "living people" and "1910 births" category. You can, of course, change out those categories for whichever ones you wish. Canadian Paul 23:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Couple of people I moved to possibly living people I found[edit]

Here: Sukhamoy Sen Gupta, Ebbe Frick, Pierre Ngayewang, Einar Pihl, Harry Johansson, Gösta Gustavsson, Stig Andersson (canoeist)

Wgolf (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Also someone from 1923 who is apparently alive: Renato Cattaneo (footballer born 1923). Wgolf (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Frickand and Pihl are deceased according to the Swedish Population Database, which lists no one by those names alive who could have competed in athletic events in the 1950s, so you could probably move them out of the Possibly Living People category and into Year of Death Missing. Sen Gupta was born in September 1919 (see here) and died sometime after 1983 (see [5]). I've got nothing on Johansson, Gustavsson, and Andersson, and I'll look at Cattaneo and Ngayewang later. Canadian Paul 23:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, just did a quick search - nothing on Ngayewang, but Cattaneo is indeed still alive. Canadian Paul 23:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks-there are a few more I found that were listed as living with no info in 60+ years but can't remember who is the problem. I did just change one to deceased-have to run though now. Wgolf (talk) 23:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Some possibly living people I have found on my watchlist[edit]

Well I have over 6K pages somehow on here so of course I probably have more that I don't know about (granted quite a bit on there is red link pages I tagged for deletion) (And since there seems to be no tools working to find people this is harder) Anyway: Mademoiselle Fifi (dancer)-born in 1905, so I HIGHLY doubt this one is alive. (Not even sure if she counts as notable tbh). Mohammad Amin Nuristani-granted he was born in 1928 so not quite ready to go under possibly living, but still a big question mark here. Sharon Davis (figure skater)-figure skater from 1959 so I'm guessing if living she be at the very least 75 years old. Jack Stephens (set decorator)-if the part is true that he was in school in the 1920s he is more then likely dead. I do have more but that's it for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

And another possibly living[edit]

Lionel Hastie-person put as living which I changed to possibly. So yeah. Wgolf (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Another person I found on the new page feed who is 90+[edit]

Florence McClintock (born 1918-still living according to ESPN). Wgolf (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

List of living centenarians[edit]

Hi Paul,

Just wondering whether the addition of non-English wiki centenarians to the list, creating a mass of redlinks, is constructive? FWIW I don't think it is and suggested as much at Talk:List of living centenarians#Centenarians with articles on non-English Wikipedia?. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Why isn't it constructive? Most of these people are worthy of notability (as far as Wiki is concerned) if they have non-English articles, and adding them might encourage people to create articles in English. At the very least, I think we should trial this and see if any new articles are made. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
The reason that we only include individuals with English Wikipedia articles is to ensure that we're only including individuals who meet Wikipedia's notability standards... otherwise it becomes too easy for anyone to add individuals of dubious notability to the list and we then have to waste time discussing notability, getting into revert wars, etc. etc. By only including individuals with Wikipedia articles, we leave the issue of notability to community consensus (we still discuss "notable for reasons other than their longevity", but those are few and far between). Having an article on another Wikipedia is not sufficient because a) Other Wikipedias have notability standards that may differ from our own and b) all Wikipedias have articles that do not meet the notability guidelines (even the English one, of course, but unless you speak the other language, the English one is the only one where English Wikipedia editors can nominate an article for deletion). If you want to encourage people to create articles in English, there's always the talk page. Canadian Paul 00:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Someone from 1906 who had living people on it[edit]

Okay so every so often I find these odd articles where someone just puts living on them even if its like they are dead, like this one Argimiro España, with no refs I have no clue what to say really! (I moved to possibly living but yeah) Wgolf (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

He died in March 1995. Ref added. Canadian Paul 22:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


I think I have a problem with my archiving. It only shows up to number 18 on my talk page, but I know it's archiving to number 29. Why is it doing that?  — ₳aron 22:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure. You might want to try leaving a note on the template discussion page. Canadian Paul 23:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

More possibly living people over the age of 90[edit]

J. Hamilton-Holder-this one is odd, they are under the cat "centenarians" and year of death unknown (which should be year of death missing-I deleted it for the time being) yet have no links to any place saying they reached 100. Carlos Jesus Pereira-unlikely, but who knows. Hari Chand Dewan, Paddy Harris.

Now for someone who was listed as dead but is apparently still living and will be 90 next month: Myron P. Lotto (figured I mention this so you can add him later) Wgolf (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Curler Lloyd Campbell (I created the page) also turned 100 this yr. Connormah (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
On the curling topic, could you look into former Brier Champ. Theo (Frenchy) D'Amour of Trail, BC? He was born c. 1913... can't get a DOD. Connormah (talk) 00:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
If he was not born in BC, this is a possible, albeit unlikely match. I only did a quick search, but I'll look into it a little more when I have more time. Canadian Paul 01:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Nice catch! I missed that. I have no idea where he was from. Just that he was 49 yrs old in 1962..I'll look into it further though. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


a page on 'John MacBrien' canadian olympic sailor, is incorrect and not complete as it could be.

he is the son of W.A.H. MacBrien and born in Toronto, Ontario. Naval officer/pilot RCN and USN DFC awarded for mission in Korea. [1] [2] [3]

Toronto bill (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)toronto bill (at gmail)

Thanks for the information! I'm glad to see that he's still alive and, when I have a little more time, I'll be happy to expand his bio! Canadian Paul 00:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Seymour Bernstein[edit]

Well this page has been added for Seymour Bernstein, who is having a doc about him that is coming out this year and looks like this guy will be 100 this year, just figured I mention that to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wgolf: - looks like he's only around 85/86 as per [6]. I amended the article. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
oh okay must of been a misprint! Wgolf (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if my ping worked, but you seem to be online now so I thought I'd just let you know that Hazel Newhook can probably be added to the politicians centenarian list... Connormah (talk) 00:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I did see it the first time, and even remembered it later, but I couldn't find it on my talk page or remember her name, so I forgot. I'll add her when I have a little more time, probably tomorrow. Canadian Paul 01:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Added now! Canadian Paul 20:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Connormah (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Yang Jingnian[edit]

Article does mention that he turned 100 yet has not refs at all, here Yang Jingnian. Wgolf (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Found a citation for his 105th birthday and added to the appropriate centenarian list, as well as my own. Thanks. Canadian Paul 21:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Some people who may or may not be alive at age 90+[edit]

Not sure if some of these are living or not: Mac Connor-born 1913. Marian Fuks (historian), born 1914-seems like he is alive but does not have that cat on him. Veikko Savela-born 1919. Nguyễn Tư Nghiêm-born 1919 (or 1922). Ambroise Yxemerry-born 1917. Leonidas Veliaroutis-born 1916. Bruno Holzträger-born 1916. Heinz Jaeger-born 1924.

Though it seems the by profession page wont count them if they dont' have links such as there is Mary Carlisle who has been listed as living at age 100 yet is not on the List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers). Wgolf (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Vincent P. de Poix[edit]

You know the rules here better than I. Can we do anything with the image of the letter posted on this page to verify the death of Vincent P. de Poix on Wiki? Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

That's a tough one. I would take it to the reliable source noticeboard and bring it up there... they'll probably come to a good consensus with what to do with it. Canadian Paul 23:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I saw that too and am still hoping that there'll be some mention of his death elsewhere. If he's being interred at Arlington, an obit may appear up to months after someone's death date (as burials are usually held months later). Connormah (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Betty Birch (born 1923)[edit]

Okay looking around at possibly living people for any updates on the refs, I found Betty Birch who was born in 1923 and based off the ref, she is still living! Wanted to point this out for you! Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Added. Thanks! Canadian Paul 22:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Asen Tsankov-Olympain born in 1912[edit]

Asen Tsankov, is this guy still living? Wgolf (talk) 00:37, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems as if this has been addressed. I had him deceased according to other sources, but now I know the year as well, so thanks for pointing that out. Canadian Paul 00:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Someone who died at age 100 in 2014[edit]

found this on the backlogs of the new page feed Gerald Ratner (lawyer). Wgolf (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Added to the appropriate centenarian list. Thanks! Canadian Paul 00:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Warren Barnes, Canadian swimmer[edit]

Hi, Paul. I came across the Warren Barnes article while I was doing clean-up work on Olympic swimmers from the United States, Australia and Canada, including updating and uniform formatting of Infobox swimmer. As part of my updates, I always check the swimmer's participation in Olympic events, to make sure that we are not omitting any Olympic results from the article. When I checked on Barnes' Olympic career, I quickly discovered that he never swam in the Olympics. Accordingly, I removed the "Olympic swimmers of Canada" category from the article (because he's not), and I also did some other quick clean-up like removing all of the "trials" results from the infobox medals table. We usually only list international championships in which swimmers won actual medals (e.g., the Olympics, Pan Am Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan Pacific Championships, FINA world championship), and not national championships, and certainly not trials events in which no medals were actually awarded. My changes were reverted by an IP from Ontario. Barnes did compete in the Pan Am Games, but did not win a medal, and has never been chosen for a Canadian Olympic team. I have no interest in edit-warring with an IP over the inaccurate category or the infobox medals table, but I do have an interest in keeping our sports articles accurate. I would be grateful if you would take a look at this article, and work some of your magic there. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems to have died out since you posted this message, but I'll keep an eye on the page and take action if/as necessary. Canadian Paul 00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

And another possible 90+ person[edit]

Kira Golovko born in 1919. Wgolf (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Elizabeth Raybould also died recently. Can't find a DOB, but the article says she retired in 1983... Connormah (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Also, S. Prestley Blake is 100... Connormah (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Golovko added, couldn't find anything on Raybould, and I'll check out Blake a little later. Canadian Paul 00:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Blake's brother, Curtis, is also alive, BTW. Born 1917. I haven't done any research yet on him though to start (rather resurrect) his article. (also I sent you an email) Connormah (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Added Blake. Canadian Paul 05:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Emailed you this a while back (though not sure if I used the right address), but Arthur L. Thurlow is 102. Connormah (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I added him to my "to-do" list, but as Arthur Thurlow, so I didn't see that an article had been created for him. I'll add him to the proper places shortly. Canadian Paul 23:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ living people[edit]

Here: Gil Parrondo, born June 17, 1921. Vance Trimble, born July 16, 1913 (does not seem to be on any centurion list though!). Wgolf (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay here is one that might be alive: Jacques Maumont, found out on the French wiki she was born on September 24, 1924. So not sure. Wgolf (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to find anything about Maumont-no luck yet. Wgolf (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Planet of Dinosaurs[edit]

Hi I noticed you uploaded the DVD art for this films infobox. Is it OK if I replace that with the theatrical poster instead? I just figure it would be better to have the theatrical poster rather than a contemporary home video release cover.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree entirely; I uploaded that over 7 years ago, when I was much less clear on what was appropriate. I have removed and deleted the image to make way for the poster. Canadian Paul 01:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Done! BTW if you are a fan of this film you should check out this messageboard. Jim Aupperle (who did the films effects) posts there and answers any questions users have. He's very cordial and helpful.Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

People who I have found who are listed as possibly living who are over 100[edit]

The following are likely dead-but here I go. (I did move quite a few to year of death missing also):

That is it for now! Wgolf (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Just a note that I'm waiting on a contact for some info on Strickland. Connormah (talk) 05:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Tecla San Andres Ziga is dead according to the Netherlands wiki. Wgolf (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Looks like some do have death dates now-there are still quite a few to add to the list you have that I have mentioned earlier-so I wont mention anymore for now. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got more time to look at these over the summer, but they are scattered in many places on this talk page and the talk page of my Nonagenarians list, so it might take me a while to consolidate them all and do a thorough search. Canadian Paul 16:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Enrique Rapesta-Former Olympian born in 1919[edit]

Okay found the DOB for this one-not sure if living or not though! Enrique Rapesta. Wgolf (talk) 05:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Here are 2 other former Olympians I just found-Saadat Malook Shazada-born August 26, 1916. Shuja ud-Din-Born September 12, 1913. Wgolf (talk) 05:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Marian Cannon Schlesinger[edit]

Found Marian Cannon Schlesinger who is indeed over 100, figured I mention this one for you! Wgolf (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

More 90+ people I have found! (for living-though there is one case where I'm not sure)[edit]

Well I know I have sent quite a bit the past few weeks to add, but here are even more I have found! Endel Taniloo-born January 5, 1923. Ivan Uzlov-born August 14, 1923. B. K. Garudachar-born January 13, 1917-though I moved him to possibly living yet someone moved him to living yet I'm not sure if he is living or not. Artturi Niemelä-born August 23, 1923. Wgolf (talk) 02:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The article for Jaime Ornelas Camacho-mentions being born in 1911-but the Portuguese version has a different DOB[edit]

Yeah he is listed as being born in 1921 on the Portuguese version of Jaime Ornelas Camacho. Wanted to point this out to you. Wgolf (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I've updated this. I'll take a look at everything else when I have more time later. Canadian Paul 06:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Welcome! And yeah I did find a bunch over the past couple of weeks to look over and/or just add to your nice list! Wgolf (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-born 1906-died ?[edit]

Well found this one Frankie Thomas (cyclist)-no dod mentioned though and even the article creator is not sure about him (Might want to send him a message about this also), but yeah it is one I wanted to bring up. Wgolf (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

He's definitely deceased per several sources, I just cannot find an exact date. Canadian Paul 19:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

more living/possibly living 90+[edit]

Mikko Vainio-Possibly living, born 1923-the ref is dead so not sure. Yves Vincent-born 1921, living. José Díaz Morales-born 1908-possibly living. P. R. Srinivasan-Born 1920, living. Robert Lucas (field hockey)-Born 1922, living. Wgolf (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A 100+ person I found on the backlog of the new page feed who died this year[edit]

Here: Russell Pierson. Wgolf (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi Paul. Just a heads-up that I'm now working through creating biographies for all shooters at the 1956 Summer Games. I think everyone created so far is in the correct living/possibly living categories. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Great! I'll take a look at them some time in the near future; thanks for the heads up. Canadian Paul 16:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem. They're all created now. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Went through them all, but did not add Roy Congreve, Francisco Otayza, or Enrique Lucca to my list, as I've received information that they are all deceased, but not through sources appropriate for Wikipedia. Canadian Paul 23:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. All the shooters from 1960 now have biographies. Again, I believe they're in the correct categories for living/possibly living. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool, I'll take a look. Canadian Paul 17:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok, went through them all. Claude Foussier died 13 December 2010, but the obituary that had the exact date went offline, so we'll have to wait until SR updates to get it back. Here's a link to demonstrate that he's deceased though. Otherwise, a handful of small changes but otherwise everything seems good. Canadian Paul 18:56, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
For info, all the 1964 shooters now have biographies. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Great! I'm a bit tight on time at the moment, but I'll take a look at them sometime soon. Canadian Paul 11:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I had more time than I thought. Alan Handford-Rice died in December 2000, which will be up on Sports Reference eventually, and I changed two 1925 births to "possibly living", but otherwise all looks good. Canadian Paul 12:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Annie Glenn[edit]

I don't really have the time to clean it up, but it appears that a good chunk of the article is a copyvio of [7]... Connormah (talk) 17:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Good spot! I've just cut most of it out; others can expand if they so choose. Canadian Paul 17:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Shibban Lal Saxena-born 1906[edit]

Highly doubtful they are living, but there is Shibban Lal Saxena-who someone kept on putting as being alive (born in 1906), but no refs at all! Wgolf (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Ralf Olin[edit]

I believe he's alive in British Columbia per public records, for what it's worth. There's a source stating he was living in Ladysmith, BC in the 80s, and he appears in Victoria, BC on Just for future reference; probably not really enough to put him back in the living cat. Connormah (talk) 05:17, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I suspected he was still alive even before you posted this. I correspond occasionally with someone at the Canadian Olympic Committee... I should shoot him a message and see if he knows if Olin is still alive. Canadian Paul 16:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Ponjikara Raphi-found this one while looking at people who had persondatas under a certain amount of bytes-born 1924[edit]

Ponjikara Raphi, yeah apparently was born in 1924-I'm guessing he is alive. Wgolf (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, added. Canadian Paul 18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Harry Stradling, Jr.-turned 90 at the start of the year[edit]

Harry Stradling, Jr.-from what I can tell this guy still is living also! Wgolf (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, added. Canadian Paul 18:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Shojiro Sugimura-Born April 4, 1905[edit]

Find it highly unlikely this guy is alive, but I found the DOB for Shojiro Sugimura, the year this guy played made me think it is unlikely he is alive also. (There is also this guys brother Shozaburo Sugimura-not sure when he was around though) Wgolf (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I added him to the "year of death missing" category. Despite what the possibly living people category says, there seems to be an WP:IAR consensus that anyone 110 or over should be in YOD missing unless there's evidence that they are alive. At least, I think there's a consensus, since I'm not aware of ever having been reverted for changing the category for that reason. Canadian Paul 17:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Eugene Rogers, alive and kicking . . .[edit]

CP, what do we have to verify Eugene Rogers is still alive? Half the internet lists him as dead -- based on the former version of the Wikipedia article: [8]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - @Dirtlawyer1: - A quick public records search shows that he appears to be still living, and his wife's obit in 2013 [9] shows him still living, but CP might have some more. Connormah (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Connormah. had him listed as dead in 2004, and we included that in the article until 2014; SR subsequently removed Rogers' date of death. Must be kinda shocking to be 90+ years old and see multiple internet sites listing you as having died 10 years ago. In the last 60 days, I have sent a number of corrections to Sports-Reference, involving birth places and dates, as well as the problem of SR showing swimmers and sprinters in the heats as having been awarded medals when they didn't compete in the finals prior to 1984. SR has yet to respond to corrections that I sent them in May and early June. I can understand individual errors, based on their IOC source or individual news reports, but they've been aware of the problem of pre-1984 medals for athletes in the qualifying heats for several years -- and that is not an IOC source error. As a result, my confidence in the 99.9% accuracy of SR as a go-to Olympics reference has been somewhat shaken. Dirtlawyer1 (talk)
Ah, so for Rogers being alive, I have an email from his daughter that was sent to Sports Reference claiming that he was still alive and, indeed, the 2004 DOD for Eugene Rogers was actually for a Eugene Rogers born one day off of the Olympian, so it was just a strange coincidence. I can forward that email to OTRS if need be. As for the SR corrections, it's a small group of volunteers behind the data, so sometimes it takes a while to respond to messages, although May/June is unusual in terms of a delay. This makes me think that they have not been forwarded the emails by the webmaster (the data and the website are two different groups, which is also why corrections sometimes take months to appear on SR, even when the data is corrected immediately). If you send the corrections to my Wikipedia email, I can bring them to the group directly, since I have their direct emails. Canadian Paul 16:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, CP. An authenticated email from Mr. Rogers' daughter works for me. I do think it is important that we leave some sort of written paper trail, because most of the Wikipedia mirror sites and a goodly number of others continue to report Rogers as having died in 2004. With your permission, I will copy and paste this thread to the article talk page; anyone who wants further details/documentation of your correspondence with the daughter may inquire directly of you. I'll also add a hidden text note to the "death_date" infobox parameter. I'm in the process of working through the last 100 or so of the 620 U.S. Olympic swimmer bios, transferring all usable persondata to the articles' Wikidata profiles, and by necessity reviewing the infobox data and comparing it to Wikidata and persondata before deleting the persondata. After I am done with the American swimmers, I will do the same for the Aussies, Canadians and Brits, too.
As for the Sports-Reference corrections and updates, I will start compiling my corrections and just email them to you in the future. If you have any sway with the SR website data handlers, please raise the pre-1984 medals issue for qualifying heats swimmers with them again. This issue is well documented, and I can provide sources for it if requested, but they should already be aware of the problem. I know for a fact that other Wikipedia editors (including myself) have raised this issue with the SR folks via email in the past, and I believe it is a problem for track athletes (as well as swimmers) who competed in the qualifying heats of the pre-1984 Olympic relay events. For swimming, these events include the 4x100 m freestyle relay, 4x200 m freestyle relay, and the 4x100 m medley relay. Since the 1984 Summer Olympics, when the rules for medals eligibility were changed for relay competitors, heat swimmers and sprinters have received a medal if their relay team finished in the top three, even if the particular athlete did not swim or run in the event final. SR consistently reports pre-1984 swimmers who competed only in the qualifying heats as having received medals; this is a pretty egregious historical error, and, in addition to correcting it, the pre-1984 inconsistency probably merits an explanatory note within the SR pages for the relay events and the heats-only competitors. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I do think that the pre-1984 medals has come up in the past but, rather than misquoting or misrepresenting anyone, I'll bring it up again to make sure I understand fully what's going on. I do know, however, that has been discussion about distinguishing those who received medals physically and those who received them technically (for another example, early Olympics did not give out medals for third place, but SR lists them as bronze medalists based on their final positions). As for posting the thread on Rogers' talk page, I'm all for it. Canadian Paul 17:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks, CP. I was unaware of the early years bronze medal issue. Do you know what years were involved? As for the medals-for-heat-swimmers issue, there were no medals awarded to athletes who did not swim in the finals from 1896 to 1980, so the medals listed for the first 19 Olympiads is not a small error and it leads to occasional editors and the less-knowledgeable constantly re-adding these non-medals to the infoboxes of the pre-1984 heat swimmers. If the SR folks require documentation for this, let me know. I spent a couple days on the 'net hunting down contemporary news articles, etc., from 1984 when the new rules went into effect. As proud as the SR guys are of their website, I would think they would want it to be as accurate as possible, and it is the most complete record of Olympics events I've found anywhere. Physically and technically, however, there were no medals, and no recognition for the heats-only swimmers prior to 1984. It actually makes for a good story, too, because heats-only relay swimmers set 4x100 world records in 1972 and 2008, and 4x200 world records in 1928, 1964, 1976 and 1984, only to have their new world records broken by their own finals-only teammates later on the same day or next day. That probably should be mentioned in those two world record progression articles.

As discussed, I will post a copy of the relevant portion of this thread to the Eugene Rogers article talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Frank Salvat[edit]

Until I read your article on Frank I was unaware that he had been living in Sussex or that he was dead. He was a dear friend of mine back in the '60s in London and I saw him last in 1968 when I left for Australia. I returned to London but found he had moved, and since he had been talking of emigrating to Canada I assumed he had done so. From other articles I have since read it seem he'd been married and his wife had died before him. Do you have any other information on him since 1968, Did you know him? Do you know if he went to Canada or why he was in Sussex, who he married and where/when. Failing that do you know of other people that could help? Any additional information that you could supply will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Thespisone (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about Frank Salvat; I just updated his page based on online sources; the person who started the page was User:Emeraude, so you might want to ask them. Canadian Paul 17:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I have responded to Thespisone on his talk page. Emeraude (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

More deceased Olympians[edit]

Hi Paul. For info, I've created this list. I hope to get round to doing the same for WWII at some point. If you know of someone who's not currently listed on SportsRef as being killed in either war, please let me know. I know of Eugen Schnalek. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

One that comes to mind is Heinz Sames; he went missing in action in Volgograd during World War II and I know that the SR list has not been updated recently enough to note that. In fact, it hasn't been updated for months to the best of my knowledge, so there's probably a handful that are missing but, outside of Schnalek and Sames I wouldn't know who they are. Probably best to just check again the next time the site is updated. Canadian Paul 05:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks once again, Paul. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


Check your email. --Connormah (talk) 04:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Replied. Canadian Paul 04:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I did as well. Connormah (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Battleground at WOP project pages[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul,

Thank you for being a reasonable voice in the recent discussions at WOP project pages, since some diplomacy is most definitely needed.

Regarding your comments at Talk:List_of_oldest_living_people#Criteria_for_Inclusion, I think that getting third-party, uninvolved editors to look at this project would definitely be a good idea, because it certainly seems to me that this is becoming a battleground between WOP project members and some users who act as the "WOP project police", trying to make sure that Wikipedia's policies are enforced.

I think that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koto Okubo (2nd nomination) sums up the situation perfectly. This is common of a lot of longevity-related AfD's: There's a certain number of users who typically vote to "keep" these articles and a number who typically vote to "delete". I typically vote to keep these articles for reasons that I make clear (because I am of the opinion that longevity can confer notability, and that supercentenarians are not notable for one event). However, I don't mindlessly vote to keep everything, and am quite prepared to vote delete ([10] [11] [12]) if I don't feel that the subject meets WP:GNG.

Then what happens is that users like myself are tagged as SPA's (and so seen as potentially POV pushing) and most of the other editors are not. But the problem with this is that many of the other users who regularly vote in these AfD's remain untagged because they make edits outside of the project as well, which creates the somewhat false impression that the opinions of these users is the same as the wider community's, and hence that the views of the WOP project members are grossly different to the wider community. But in reality, this may not necessarily be the case.

Now there's no denying that there that have been issues with the WOP project in the past (years back) but I only joined in December 2013. There have also been some problems more recently, and I admit that I'm guilty of some things myself - however, that was partly because it took me some time to get used to how Wikipedia works.

However, there are also clearly some civility issues with some on the "other side" ([13] [14] [15]) and I get the impression that the behaviour of some Wikipedia editors has poisoned other people's views of the GRG and the concept of age validation itself, as there seems to be an active push to not even acknowledge that age validation is a recognised concept or that the GRG is the leading authority when it comes to keeping track of the oldest people in the world.

So, I'd like to ask you what you think the best solution to this problem is, and how we could potentially go about getting more third-party opinions to end this "battle".

Cheers. - Ollie231213 (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll think about it when I have a little more time, but I think having individuals on both "sides" willing to discuss and work together (as seems to be the case once the heat dies down) and consult with third parties means that we're all working well towards the ultimate aim, which is improving the project. Canadian Paul 18:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Saul Bonnell[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryuji Fujita/Tsuguhara Foujita[edit]

Hi, I've reverted the changes back on the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid to say that the Sports Reference page ( you used is grossly mistaken, and is actually combining two artists into one Ryuji Fujita & Tsuguharu Foujita. I'll be updating Ryuji Fujita's wikipedia entry later on, but thought I'd drop you a note to let you know of the change. Watashinotabi (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I've tried to email the website to tell them about the error, but the email form doesn't seem to be working (I get a 500 Internal Server Error) Watashinotabi (talk) 07:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, do you have any evidence for this It's odd that the email form isn't working, but if you forward the message to my Wikipedia email, I can forward the proof to the site and get it changed (although Sports Reference only updates its site every several months). Canadian Paul 16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I've added sources to the Ryuji Fujita page. I'm afraid that they're all Japanese sources though (not many people write English articles about a Japanese artist who came third in a competition it seems). To be honest when I first saw the change I thought something was up as I used to live in the town he was born (Hōhoku, Yamaguchi) and he's pretty well regarded there. So I was kind of shocked when suddenly he was marked as being born in Tokyo (though he did spend some time in Tokyo later in his life). If they need any further proof that they're not the same person, you could just let them Google "Tsuguharu Foujita olympics", and they'll see that only their site mentions that name with the olympics. Watashinotabi (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Great, thanks. I'll take a look at the sources and forward the information on. Canadian Paul 16:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Olympians -- living or dead?[edit]

Hey, CP. Here's an old-timer Olympic swimmer for you: Mary McConkey. Born 1916, 1936 Olympic athlete, listed as possibly living, approaching 100th birthday if alive. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. There is a chance that she's still alive given her age, but I haven't ever seen any evidence for it, except for a list that suggested that a certain number of 1936 Canadian Olympians might still be alive (although it didn't list them and the author never responded to my email) and McConkey was one of only a handful that could have been among them. Robert Hooper, Margaret Stone, and Margaret Bell are a couple more in a similar circumstance. Canadian Paul 16:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I can do some looking too & get back to you. Connormah (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Connormah. William Williamson was the only other one with a Wikipedia page, while Charles Campbell, Lynda Adams, and Milton Wallace were the others.