User talk:CapitalR/Archive 3

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Featured List nomination[edit]

109th United States Congress has been nominated for Featured List status. Please comment here. —Markles —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 12:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:CFB navbox[edit]

Greetings. I've come across the template above, which is very similar to Navbox and is rather easy to convert. However, converting takes time and I'm not sure a bot could do it. It also looks quite sloppy on pages with both this template and Navbox (i.e., see the bottom of Lou Holtz). Would it be possible to make this template compatible with the rest of the Navbox templates (in terms of collapsing), like you did with the national elections template? Thanks for your help. --Tom (talk - email) 18:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hey, if you look at the edit history I already did convert it, but it was reverted due to the fact that the current Navbox design doesn't change the color of the VDE links to the title's font color. This is being worked on in a new Navbox design, and I'll let you know when the changes go through. --CapitalR 18:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. --Tom (talk - email) 15:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Can you approve my bot for AWB use?[edit]

Sure, no problem. Jogers (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks, much appreciated. --CapitalR 19:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Nb w/ c[edit]

I left you some comments on Template talk:Navbox with columns whenever you get a chance. Regards.--Old Hoss 23:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

CapitalBot exceeding BRFA limit[edit]

CapitalBot (talk · contribs) is editing at nearly 20 edits per minute (although it's only approved for 10). Please try to taper it back a bit, if possible. Thanks a million =) --slakrtalk / 08:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Oh sorry, I'm getting pretty quick with that AWB save button. I'll hold off some and slow down. --CapitalR 08:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

New Jersey[edit]

Hi. New Jersey is marked as complete, but the bot has not added infoboxes to several municipalities. I checked Bergen County and saw four that did not have an infobox. All are of the Township form of government: River Vale, Rochelle Park, Saddle Brook, and Wyckoff.

Also, the bot does not add a reference for the FIPS code or GNIS ID. Please modify it so that references are added for this data. Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 12:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hey, I'll made the modifications that you asked to put the references for the FIPS and GNIS codes. Also, I went through New Jersey again and added the missing townships. My bot misses a few percent of all articles for various reasons; I'll go back at the end to figure out which ones they are, and fill them in. --CapitalR 03:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, looks good. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Good job[edit]

Good job with what you are doing. One question: there are still many settlements with no "red dot-on" map. Is there any task force working on making those at the moment? I've written to some people who used to make them, but none wrote back. Badagnani 08:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Yup, the ArkyBot is currently working on this to make even better maps (see all of Alabama, California, Arizona, Colorado, or Georgia for examples of the new maps). Once my bot finishes, then I'll talk to him about automating his bot to get all the maps up even faster. --CapitalR 08:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


Something was wrong with the bot's addition of an infobox to Hays, Kansas. I reverted it because I didn't know what was wrong; could you please check and fix it? Nyttend 16:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • The Asbury Park, New Jersey article has the same problem. In both cases the bot failed to move the entire caption for a map into the infobox, causing the infobox to be improperly displayed. BlueAzure 01:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Yeah, that happened in about 1/1000 articles, and I was just pressing the save button so fast I missed a few. I think I added code that should mostly fix that, but there are rare exceptions. I've proofed most states, but haven't gotten through New Jersey or Kansas yet (or North Carolina and Nebraska). Sorry about that and let me know if there are others and I will be happy to fix them. --CapitalR 01:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


CapitalBot added infoboxes to some township articles in Warren County, Indiana last night. The "official_name" tag was incorrect in those infoboxes; for example, for Pine Township, it used "Pine, Indiana" as the official name. Omnedon 17:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hmmm, I just used the name given in the corresponding census records. I'll go through and change them later today to the form you want though. --CapitalR 18:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok, well it looks like you converted them already. Let me know if there are others and I can do it. --CapitalR 18:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes, I already fixed them. I also fixed a separate issue with Steuben Township, Warren County, Indiana; the infobox was broken due to some garbage text. At least locally, a township would be called "Pine Township" (for example), whereas "Pine, Indiana" seems to imply a town. Omnedon 18:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Ok thanks for the info; by the way, over the next few days I plan on going through all of them manually again and looking for errors. I added the infoboxes quite quickly, and there's probably a few small problems here or there, but all should be worked out soon. Again, thanks for the info on those ones. --CapitalR 18:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I don't want to appear to be critical. I had recently been thinking that a bot to add infoboxes to the townships would be a great idea; kudos to you for actually getting it done. I'd be glad to help if I can. Omnedon 23:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks, much appreciated. I noticed that Indiana is missing articles on a vast majority of its townships. I was thinking that I might modify my bot to add those pages once all of the infoboxes for the remaining states are added. Let me know your thoughts on that idea. --CapitalR 00:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfA[edit]

Thank you for supporting my RfA, which unfortunately didn't succeed. The majority of the opposes stated that I needed more experience in the main namespace and Wikipedia namespace, so that is what I will do. I will go for another RfA in two month's time and I hope you will be able to support me then as well. If you have any other comments for me or wish to be notified when I go for another RfA, please leave them on my talk page. If you wish to nominate me for my next RfA, please wait until it has been two months. Thanks again for participating in my RfA! -- Cobi(t|c|b|cn) 01:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

CapitalBot GNIS data request[edit]

Hi, CapitalR,

Nice job with your bot. I've been doing a similar thing semi-manually, and much more slowly, just in Colorado so far, with a Perl script I wrote.

Now the request: When setting an elevation from Geographic Reference 3 (GNIS), could you please add the GR|3 template in the elevation_footnotes, as I did on the Hays, Kansas page? As stated in the FAQ on the GNIS site, "Elevation figures are not official and do not represent precisely measured or surveyed values." They are frequently wrong by several meters, especially in the mountains here in Colorado; and I wouldn't want anyone coming along with better values to be confused.

Thanks! -- Ken g6 02:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hey, that sounds like a good idea, I'll make that change right now. --CapitalR 07:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


I see you got it up and running. Great job!  MJCdetroit 02:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks...6 months overdue, but I got it done eventually. --CapitalR 02:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi, again,

It looks like CapitalBot has hidden some of the references I added to articles, such as Hudson, Colorado (and probably every incorporated Colorado city and town from A through G). It didn't delete them completely - you probably would have seen that - but it duplicated the "|County", and moved the reference I had added after it. See here for how I fixed it in this instance.

-- Ken g6 02:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Wow, my bad. I'll go through and re-add those references within 24 hours. Sorry about that. --CapitalR 03:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok, so I looked into the problem and it stems from a bug in my code that has since been corrected (so states done after Colorado theoretically shouldn't have similar bugs). It looks like a simple fix to get the references working again (just a short regex replacement), so I'll run that as soon as my current batch finishes (it's got about another hour to run). --CapitalR 03:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
      • All wasn't as bad as I originally thought...just a simple typo fix to get the reference back. --CapitalR 11:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot edits[edit]

Can you mark your edits minor? You are flooding recent changes. --B 04:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Well it's a bot account so you could just turn off bot edits in the recent changes to fix it. The last handful of edits were relatively minor, but the next set I'm getting ready to do are adding infoboxes, and definitely not minor edits. --CapitalR 04:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot Broke Bastrop, Texas[edit]

Your bot broke the settlement infobox it just added somehow on Bastrop, Texas. I don't know how to fix it, because on a cursory glance it looked OK to me. - Ageekgal 20:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks, all fixed. It somehow missed a closing bracket on a wikilink. I catch most problems as the edits are made, but a few slip through...after Texas is done all the pages will be re-proofed to ensure that this doesn't happen. Thanks again, --CapitalR 20:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Zip codes & area codes[edit]

Please discontinue inserting zip codes & area codes into city infoboxes using this bot. This information is unencyclopedic, and simply does not belong. Most cities have FAR TOO MANY zip codes to even think about putting this into an INFOBOX ... it simply doesn't belong. Period. End of debate. Discontinue this or I will report this bot and have it disabled on wikipedia. Thank you. Dr. Cash 06:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Well the bot is on the second to last state anyways, so it's a little late now. If cities have more than just a handful of ZIP codes, then they are not added (the ZIP code line is always just 1 line, never more). Also, only the most common area code for a location is listed. Since these parameters exist in Infobox Settlement, and have for quite some time, I suggest you take your complaints there to have them removed from the infobox if you consider them unencyclopedic. Feel free to remove the information from any article you like if you think it doesn't belong. Threatening me isn't really the best way to go for getting your way. Thanks, --CapitalR 06:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a post to Dr. Cash's talk page letting him know that towns with more than one zip (ex: Winchester, Virginia) have no zip codes added. I also told him that speaking to someone like he did above will get him a whole lotta nothing.
But on the zip code subject, would it be possible for the bot to add just the "main" zip code for a "big" town. Like with Winchester, Virginia, the "main" zip code is 22601 (used in the city limits), with 22602 used east of town and 22603-04 used in far western Frederick County where they still use the town name "Winchester" even though it is 20 miles from the actual town. Would it be possible to use just the "main" zip code (like Winchester's 22601) for towns with more than one zip?
Also, if you ever need any help with information in Virginia, West Virginia or Maryland, please let me know, I will be glad to help. Take Care...NeutralHomer T:C 06:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for offering to help me out. As for the main ZIP code, I've looked hard for a database containing such information but can't seem to find one (my database just contains all of them without telling me which ones are more important). The best I could do was list them all (if there are just a few), or leave the field blank if there are too many. --CapitalR 07:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem :) Yeah, most, like the USPS database, just list them, they don't say which is for what area. I know the ones for this area, because I live here :), but for other states (outside VA, WV, and MD) I would be lost too. So, I guess leaving them blank is cool. Take Care...NeutralHomer T:C 07:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

These arguments are unacceptable. The information on zip codes and area codes does not belong in an encyclopedia. Remember, wikipedia is not a directory. I suggest that you reprogram your bot to reverse all of these edits, pronto. Dr. Cash 07:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hmm, I don't think I'll be doing that. I do encourage you to continue your argument at Template:Infobox Settlement if you feel the parameters should just be disabled. That would be the place to establish consensus that they don't belong, and the place to make the changes instead of re-editing thousands of articles. I have no opinion either way; I just filled in the available parameters as much as possible. --CapitalR 07:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You had absolutely zero consensus whatsoever to add this in the first place. It does not belong, and now, your buddy Neutralhomer is reverting my reversions to your unacceptable bot. This is unacceptable and must be reversed. Period. End of debate. Dr. Cash 07:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey man, calm down some. I just filled in the infobox as best I could; it doesn't really matter to me if the parameters stay or go, but that should be decided at Infobox Settlement (and I see you started a discussion, which is good, so we'll see what others have to say; I noted on that talk page that I have no opinion in the matter). Since the parameters exist and are not labeled as being deprecated, I don't think it was unreasonable for me to fill them in. --CapitalR 07:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
And in the meantime, please remove the parameters that are in dispute. Dr. Cash 07:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Cash, my $0.02, for what it's worth -- CapitalR is right: the postal code field is of long standing. It also continues to exist in the newer Geobox 1 and 2. Both points seem to be good indications of at least some degree of consensus. I don't understand your rather full-frontal hostility. Why not provide this information? No, Wikipedia is not a directory; but providing a postal code doesn't make it a directory. Omnedon 11:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


Ok, fine. Whatever. I still think this information is pretty useless, but I'm apparently being overruled, so be it. I really don't care anymore -- it's not worth arguing about. I still don't appreciate the numerous accusations and labeling me as a vandal (although not so much by you, but more by those editors supporting you). To be honest, those specific comments are what is inflaming me the most, because I never considered my edits "vandalism" in the least way. If you guys will stop accusing me of vandalism, I'll just let these slide, and we'll call it a truce. Ok? Dr. Cash 00:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent job[edit]

Excellent job with those USA cities. --Emijrp 10:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • you can see from above not all users agree, so it's good to here that someone likes my hard work! Thanks again, --CapitalR 11:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I totally dig the new infobox look :) Very well done. - NeutralHomer T:C 23:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Your changes to Florida cities[edit]

I cannot speak for other states (I don't often edit cities outside of Florida), but your most recent round of bot changes removed a trio of images from a *lot* of cities in Florida. (I corrected the changes to Cooper City, Florida as a reference.) On the Florida articles, we had images next to the entries for Country (US Flag), state (Florida flag) and county (county flag, seal, or logo). Your bot nuked all of them, and it is going to take a good while to go back and fix them, as I am not running a bot to undo your handiwork. I'm not going to simply revert your changes, since some of them were useful, but if you run your bot again, please let people in the state WikiProject know ahead of time, so they can discuss with you any issues that might occur *before* they happen. Thank you. Horologium t-c 14:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Ok, I can add all of those back no problem. The images were just standardized to be the same in all cities/towns in the state. States like Colorado and Iowa have the images in all of them, so adding them to all Florida cities/towns can easily be done today. --CapitalR 16:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I have added them back for about a dozen cities in Broward and Highlands counties. Is this going to be an issue re:county logos? Since the logo for each county is different, it's not something that can be easily added at a statewide level; I'd really hate for them to get nuked again after I'd readded them (for the third or fourth time, in some cases, due to bots editing out images). Horologium t-c 16:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Nope, not going to be a problem. I need to go grocery shopping now, but I'll fix this first thing when I get back in a few hours. I'll put the US, state, and county flags on all articles in Florida. I'll figure out all of the county flags on my own, unless you happen to know of a category with them. Sorry about the problem, but I'll make it up to you by adding them to all places, not just the ones that had the images accidentally removed. --CapitalR 16:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
        • I went through and added as many county seals or logos as I could find, in preparation for your bot sweep. Not all of the counties have logos online or in a form that is easily converted for use on Wikipedia; in fact, I found that a couple of counties don't have official websites at all, which to me is a bit shocking for 2007. In any case, there is no centralized repository of images, but the articles for each county have a logo/seal if I was able to find one. Thanks for your assistance! Horologium t-c 21:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
          • Ok, I'm going to go through and add the US and Florida flags to all the articles now; I'm going to leave out adding more county seals to all the articles now, but am in the process of going through all of the bot edits to figure out which ones had the county seal removed, which I will manually re-add. (Because the images are non-free, I can't use the bot to add them to all of the articles, which is why I will make the county seal changes manually). --CapitalR 21:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
            • Fair enough; most of the articles with county images were in Broward County (all of the cities and towns had the logo, IIRC), Highlands County (I've taken care of all five of them already), and an array of other cities throughout the state. After your bot does its run, I'll go through and add the county images for many of the rest. Why is it that non-free images cannot be added via bot? Is it a technical limitation, or is it a GFDL-related issue? I was not aware of that restriction previously. Horologium t-c 21:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
            • It's not really a technical issue, it's just that I would need express permission from the bot approvals group to add non-free images, which takes a while. There's some controversy over using non-free images for decorative purposes (for example, I once added the Red Sox logo to the Massachusetts article where it described the team, but it was removed for being decorative). Thus, I don't want to get in trouble for adding non-free images in mass quantities without getting express permission from the people who know a lot about that kind of thing. If you think it's okay and want to do it, I'd be happy to give you a simple WP:AWB script to do it, but you'd be responsible for it. Anyways, I'll add in the few county logos/seals by hand that my bot removed, but I can't mass add them to all Florida places like I can the flags of the state and country. Sorry for the problems, and I hope the new corrections fix everything! --CapitalR 21:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
              • Ok, all done with adding the US and Florida flag to all of them. Hope that helps make them look better! I'll also start taking a look at county flags and putting them in where they were before; but that's going to be done manually so it might take a while longer. Let me know if there's any other improvements you would like. --CapitalR 23:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
                • Yeah, I do have a couple more suggestions. Change the unit_pref setting in "Area" to "Imperial". We don't do metric here in the US. (grin) That's a really easy fix. And you might want to remove all of the extra maps lines (for pushpin and x/y graphs), since Arkyan's new maps are far better than either of those styles, and have almost universally replaced them. You could probably skip the "shield" image lines too, since there are very few (if any) American cities with a coat of arms, which is a distinctly European concept. I've been going through and stripping those lines out of articles I edit, as they add to the size of the article without contributing anything to it. Horologium t-c 02:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Your recent changes in such places as Orchid, Florida, Ocean Breeze Park, Florida Stuart, Florida, etc. have messed up images outside the infobox, causing them to overlap text. I have corrected the three mentioned by putting the image before the infobox. clariosophic 23:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that must be a browser issue, because the old style looks fine to me (in Firefox and in IE). You might want to move those images inside of the infobox (the "image_skyline" parameter), as it could look better. Browsers are strange, sorry that it looked weird to you. --CapitalR 23:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
      • I use Firefox mostly. I tried to put the images in the boxes but gave up. User:Horologium did the one on Stuart, for which I thank him, and I was able to do the others. Many thanks.clariosophic 00:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Vermont, Enosburgh[edit]

Vermont is marked as complete but Enosburgh has not been done yet, There might have been some problems because Enosburgh is often spelled as Enosburg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskevap (talkcontribs) 23:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Yup, a bunch of articles were skipped for various reasons (I'd estimate about 2%). I'm planning on finding those articles soon and finishing them off soon. I'll do Enosburgh later today (and you were right, in the census database it is spelled Enosburg, which is why it was skipped). --CapitalR 23:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
    • All done. --CapitalR 23:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

"Town," "City," and etc[edit]

How do you find out the official designation? Is there some database for that? I learned only a few weeks ago that it's a legal thing, determined when the town or city was established. Brian Pearson 23:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  • The US census database contains the designation (at least what the designation was in 2000 when the census was done). It can be found from the {{GR|1}} reference (click this link), or the {{GR|2}} reference. I got my data from the {{GR|2}} tables that you can download, as it is much more detailed (though you'll have to navigate through the census website to find where to download the tables for each state, but it's fairly easy to find). --CapitalR 00:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it very much. Brian Pearson 02:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox arrangement[edit]

I think the established_title and established_date should be up before the Government section, since that's where they appear. Otherwise, if citations are added, the numbering can appear incorrect (2 before 1, etc.) -- see this edit. BTW, a enjoy having the boxes placed there anyway! -- JHunterJ 01:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hmm, you bring up a good point about the template parameter order. I just used the same order as listed in the Template:Infobox Settlement page, but I think I'll bring this up on that page to tell them about the reference ordering problem. Unfortunately, all of the states are basically done, so it's a little late to change; but in the future I might have to make additional changes to all the infoboxes, at which point I'll reorder them all. Thanks, --CapitalR 01:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ohio townships[edit]

Thanks for adding all those infoboxes to Ohio townships recently! I just have one request: they all seem to have titles of "_____ Township, Ohio" at the top of the infoboxes. However, since there can be multiple townships of the same name in the state (there are 43 Washington Townships!), all of the township articles have the county name in the title, even if there's just one township of that name statewide. I'm going through Logan County townships, as most of them have pictures that I'm moving to the infobox; but could you send the bot through again to add the county names to other township infoboxes? Nyttend 13:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure, I could do that. It won't happen today probably, but count on it by the end of the week. Sorry I couldn't move all of the maps into the infobox automatically, but there wasn't a consistent naming scheme for the county maps, so lots of them were missed (I estimate about 8% of the Townships had maps, which means that there's about 120 or so maps that need to be moved into the infoboxes) Also, just so you know, the ArkyBot is slowly moving through all the articles and adding better maps (state and county level in one map). --CapitalR 23:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
By the way, Bokes Creek Township, Logan County, Ohio was missed. Could you tell the bot to do it? I don't know where to get the FIPS code and things like that. Nyttend 14:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
All done. There's a handful of other Townships I missed that I'm aware of and will get to soon (I missed about 10 places in Ohio total). Bokes Creek was missed because for some reason in the census database it was listed as "Bokescreek", but I fixed that and it's got an infobox now. --CapitalR 23:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all of these things. I've done a large percentage of my total wikiwork on Ohio townships; if you'd done as much on Ohio townships, you'd know that data on some townships has them as one word, some as two, and there are even some names that are both: for example, there's just one Turtlecreek Township, but there's also one Turtle Creek Township. Nyttend 00:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thank you very much for adding the infobox on the Staunton, Virginia page. I have never been able to get it right. It made the page better. User:Weatherdude 22:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Duncan, Oklahoma[edit]

Your bot has added erroneous information to the info box for this city. I have eliminated the copy but it has been reverted. I live in Duncan and have never heard of these stories or any of the claims that have been made. It appears malicious rather than factual. Can you confirm the source of your information. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eljay53 (talkcontribs) 02:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Ummm, what? I don't think I understand what you're asking. All the infobox lists are population, area, county, area code, and some other government codes. All of the population and area information matches perfectly with what is already in the article, as does the county. The area code is correct, as it's the main Oklahoma code. If you think there's a problem with any other parts (which I can't see that there is a problem), then delete only those parts instead of the whole box. The references for the population and area are in the article itself (see {{GR|1}} and {{GR|2}}). What parts in particular did you disagree with? --CapitalR 03:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Sorry, It is another user who is editing the history with incorrect information. I'm new to this and misread the data. A user is editing the page saying it is "Widely known to be a godforsaken place where no one wants to live" and goes on to describe current hate crimes and same sex marriages which do not exist. I have edited back to the original entry but they keep reverting. How do you stop someone from being malicious. Thanks so much for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eljay53 (talkcontribs) 12:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Ah, got it. Classic vandalism on a settlement article. The best way to fight vandalism is to read WP:Vandalism and learn how to use warning messages. It takes some practice to learn all the different methods to fight vandalism, but it's not too hard. Let me know if you have problems and I can help you out. Also, just for reference, you can sign your comments on talk pages by typing "~~~~" (4 tildes). When you press the "Save page" button to post your comments, Wikipedia will automatically convert the "~~~~" to be your username and the date/time. --CapitalR 22:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Thank you SO much. Looks like I have help on the issue with warnings that have been posted to the users page. I will yell for help if this doesn't fix it. 4 tildes is much easier!!  :-) eljay53 16:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Lycoming County, Pennsylvania[edit]

Would you run your bot through the municipalities of Lycoming County, Pennsylvania? Dincher 14:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure, I can do that later today or tomorrow. I skipped Pennsylvania because a large part of the state currently uses {{Geobox}} instead of {{Infobox Settlement}}, but the settlements in this county appear to all use {{Infobox Settlement}} (or lack an infobox), so my bot can handle them without any problem. --CapitalR 20:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks I was doing it by hand, but saw that you were running through tons of them, waited for you to get to PA, saw that you're planning on skipping it, so asked for this. Thanks again. Dincher 21:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok, it should be all done. Let me know if there are other places you would like done. --CapitalR 03:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Thanks. They look good and I will. Dincher 20:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I have looked through all 67 counties of PA and taken a quick survey of the infoboxes, most of the municipalities of PA have none, several on the eastern side of the state have the geo box. I have all of this info organized at User:Dincher/Woodchuck. Could you go through and add the infobox settlement to the municipalities of the counties that I have listed and mark off the counties as you go? Thanks. Dincher 22:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do it on Friday or Saturday. --CapitalR 02:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. Dincher 04:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you run the above places through your bot? Dincher 01:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Please, pretty please =)Dincher (talk) 04:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Navbox with columns[edit]

Hi — I recently discovered this neat template and have been trying it out where the information would benefit from presentation in columns. Can the "width" variable for column width be renamed "colwidth" (or something like that) as it could be confused for e.g. setting the width of the whole template? Hope you can help. Sardanaphalus 08:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


I'm assuming CB skips articles with the Geobox? Anyway to have CB actually go on and replace Geobox with Settelement? Also, I've manually changed the following articles from Geobox to Settlement box and would appreciate a pass with CB to get all the missing numbers in/present numbers updated: Clinton, Mississippi, Jackson, Mississippi and Pearl, Mississippi. Thanks! -- ALLSTAR ECHO 01:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Or better yet, from reading above in another section, it might be more efficient if I just remove info boxes all together, then have CB do all of Mississippi again, followed by ArkyBot for maps? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 01:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I just ran those three through the bot, plus another one (Jonestown, Mississippi). According to the bot logs, those were the only four that were skipped (3 for having a geobox, 1 for redirecting to a disambig page instead of the correct article). Let me know if there's anything else you would like. --CapitalR 03:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 04:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

CapitalBot: Country/County[edit]

Hello again, CapitalR,

I just noticed on the Louisville, Colorado page that your bot made an error that I've seen in a few other places. It correctly replaced the type "County" in subdivision_type with "Country"; however, it did not set the subdivision_name to "United States", or Template:USA which I'm frequently using. The error is here in the Location section:

Thus, the country is specified as "Boulder County"! While some people may think of Boulder as a separate country (ha, ha), it's not, and I've seen this error for other counties on other cities as well.

-- Ken g6 20:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Imperial/metric parameter[edit]

Would it be possible for CapitalBot to go through the cities to which it added or modified the unit_pref parameter, check to see if it is set to Imperial, and change if it's not? (All it would need to do is change the parameter to read "Imperial", since that defaults to being commented out.) I have been changing it in all of the Florida cities that I have edited, but there are a LOT of cities in Florida, and a bot would be much faster and easier, and I know you already have a listing somewhere of the cities. Additionally, your bot is approved to work on the settlement infoboxes; yours and ArkyBot are the only ones I know of that work with them, and his is designed to upload new maps. Horologium t-c 01:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

See my posting in the section directly below this one for some related information to this section. —MJCdetroit (talk) 19:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Flag icons for Infobox Settlement edits[edit]

Hi, I saw that you had put flag icons in each of the Florida town articles using inline image syntax. I'm not sure if you've done the same thing to other states yet. In either case, it would be preferable to use the standard flag templates for those edits. For example, instead of:

|subdivision_type         = [[List of countries|Country]]
|subdivision_name         = [[Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg|20px]] [[United States]]
|subdivision_type1        = [[Political divisions of the United States|State]]
|subdivision_name1        = [[Image:Flag_of_Florida.svg|20px]] [[Florida]]
|subdivision_type2        = [[List of counties in Florida|County]]
|subdivision_name2        = [[Image:blank.svg|20px]] [[Santa Rosa County, Florida|Santa Rosa]]

it would be better to use:

|subdivision_type         = [[List of countries|Country]]
|subdivision_name         = {{flag|United States}}
|subdivision_type1        = [[Political divisions of the United States|State]]
|subdivision_name1        = {{flag|Florida}}
|subdivision_type2        = [[List of counties in Florida|County]]
|subdivision_name2        = {{noflag|[[Santa Rosa County, Florida|Santa Rosa]]}}

The flag templates ensure consistent visual appearance of the flag icons across Wikipedia (same size, correct alt attribute, etc.) and also enable future improvements as per the ideas listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template#Future work. The use of Template:Noflag ensures alignment without having to use the Blank.svg dummy image. Thanks! Andrwsc (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Pardon the ease dropping, but when you use flag icons with Infobox settlement's subdivision_name field instead of "United States" (or some other variation), this will cause the template to default to metric/imperial for all measurement related fields, if unit_pref does not specify "imperial" (or some other variation like English). Therefore if you use flag icons, you must fill in the unit_pref field. I can go more into the nuts and bolts of how this works, but for now I've spared us. This also helps to answer the question in the section above this one. —MJCdetroit (talk) 19:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I would certainly be interested in the "nuts and bolts" discussion of this. I would prefer to fix the problem than to have to revert back to the inline image syntax. Andrwsc (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Followup to self: I see the problem, and it isn't with the flag templates per se (so my initial request is still valid), but with any extra wiki markup preceding the country name. I have a current AWB run in progress to use the flag templates, and I can update unit_pref at the same time. Andrwsc (talk) 19:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'll take a look at these issues this weekend. It would be great if your AWB fixes the flags/unit_pref first, as I've been quite busy in real life lately again and might not be able to run the bot on all the articles for a while (it's not a fully automated bot, so I have to sit and watch all the edits to make sure they're okay, which takes a long time). I put the flags in Florida per a request on my talk page, and I kept them in Colorado and I think Iowa because they were already there. Other than that there's probably only a small handful of locations that use flags (mostly very large cities, and I believe there were about 5 or 6 in North Carolina that I manually re-added). --CapitalR (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
When I said, "nuts & bolts", I meant how Infobox Settlement decides whether to automatically place imperial measurements first or metric first. The code for this used to be all included in the {{Infobox Settlement}} code, but now it is sub-templated in the following templates {{Areadisp}}, {{Densdisp}}, and {{Lengthdisp}}. In a nutshell, if some variation of "United States" or "United Kingdom" are entered for "subdivision_name", then Infobox Settlement will place the measurements in an imperial (metric) order. For Canadian articles (and all others), the default order is metric (imperial) but can be forced to switch the order by entering "imperial" in the "unit_pref" field. The code can not recognize flag templates. Therefore, it defaults to metric (imperial). I had the code recognizing the template {{UK}} for a long time and everything worked great. Then something went haywire with that UK flag template causing the union jack to start showing up in all sorts of articles. It was easier to just remove that  United Kingdom then begin to figure out what happened. The discussion for that problem is located here at this link. Hope that helps with some of the background and nuts and bolts without writing a novel. —MJCdetroit (talk) 01:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
(I'll keep the discussion going here for clarity, hope that's ok with CapitalR!)
Yeah, I had quickly noticed that was the reason when I looked at the wiki markup for Infobox Settlement. From a "template elegance" point of view, I think the unit_pref = Imperial solution is superior, but I can see the convenience of making Areadisp etc. clever enough to parse the subdivision_name value. Now, as for the haywire episode, I suspect that was due to some changes made (and quickly reverted) to Template:Country flag2 etc. on October 4, which aligns with the timing of the Infobox Settlement discussion. Basically, the addition of a CSS wrapper with an equals sign in the flag template wikicode was wreaking havoc with any instance where a flag template was used as a positional parameter (but not a named parameter) with another template. This would have been the case with how Areadisp et. al. are called. See the "Interaction between CSS class over a span and template calls" thread of this revision of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) for that discussion. Since I reverted the change to the flag templates, you might want to go back and add tests in Areadisp etc. for {{USA}} and {{flag|United States}} to see if it works again. Hope this helps, Andrwsc (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll test it in a sandbox when I get a chance. —MJCdetroit (talk) 20:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


Is your bot capable of inserting Infobox Settlement for articles missing an infobox in categories such as Category:Unincorporated communities in Ohio? —MJCdetroit (talk) 04:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Red Dog Mine infobox[edit]

The excellent recent addition of an infobox and map to the Red Dog Mine page should be modified.

The newly added infobox carries accurate information on the Red Dog Mine census area.

However - the article is about the Red Dog Mine, which is a very different entity than the Red Dog Mine census area, although they are both centered on the same geographic coordinates.

Conflating the two is not good. The Red Dog Mine census area is a paper construct, the statistics on which do not record at all the reality on the ground at the Red Dog Mine.

This is an unusual case. The Red Dog Mine is an large industrial project plopped down in the middle of nowhere. Hundreds of people "live" there yearround, but everyone is rotating in and out constantly. Nobody actually lives there - it is a factory place/work camp that has comfortable modern housing for hundreds of people.

The "population" of the mine is not 32, as reported by the census (see the verifiable references included in the Demographics section) and the mine footprint is not 66.9 sq miles.

It is very misleading to have the information on the census area, and the information on actual mine smushed together so that the reader can not tell what info applies to the mine, and what info applies to the census area.

I suggest that the article properly is about the mine, if the census area needs to be mentioned at all, it can be in a seperate article concerning the care one needs to take in using statistics and derivitive data.

Cheers, CGX CGX (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Ok, do whatever you like. Feel free to be bold and remove the infobox or to discuss it on that page. --CapitalR (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

GNIS and FIPS code[edit]

Hi, I disagree with the addition of a visible GNIS id and FIPS code to all infoboxes. These are fairly unimportant pieces of information to encyclopedia readers to be featured so readily in the infobox, and just add clutter to the already too-long infoboxes. I believe this data belongs down in the references, or else in undisplayed infobox parameters. Any other opinions on this? --GregU (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:STLmedia[edit]

Template:STLmedia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Spencer1151 (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:User friends with[edit]

Template:User friends with has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Avruchtalk 03:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

AWB Request: "Database scanner filtering XML dump file"[edit]

Special:Export would seem to do nearly what you are after..?

Reedy Boy 20:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yup, that's a pretty helpful feature there. Thanks for letting me know. --CapitalR (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Hurricane season navbox[edit]

A tag has been placed on Template:Hurricane season navbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{tranclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that was a project that I just never got around to starting. Deleting it sounds like a good idea to me. --CapitalR (talk) 21:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


As you are the creator of the template, probably best to ask you. I was browsing Radio Frequency articles, when I stumbled upon Extremely high frequency, when I noticed that it wasn't included in the navbox. I went to go add it, but noticed it was there already, just not being displayed. This is because it is the 11th item in the navbox, which doesn't exist in the navbox with columns template. Is it safe to add more columns to the navbox with columns template, or should I create another template for extended? I noticed someone else also asked about this on the discussion page, but no response. Thanks - Gammasts (talk) 07:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

  • There you go, I just made those changes for you. Sorry for not responding on that talk page; I haven't been doing too many edits for the past few months as I've been busier than usual. Let me know if you need any more changes made. --CapitalR (talk) 07:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks alot and not a problem ^^. Is it safe to increase to 20 columns, just for eventual use, or should we just keep it at 12 for now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gammasts (talkcontribs) 21:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Well it's probably best to keep it as small as possible unless there's a real need for it that can't be easily solved by other means. The main problem is that when templates like this get too large, they can cause pre- and post-expand errors on pages (see Wikipedia:Template limits). The template was designed to keep those sizes to a minimum to avoid problems. But, if you have another case where you really need more columns, then it's fine by me to make the changes. --CapitalR (talk) 22:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Bayview, Washington[edit]

While the info added to the Bayview, Washington page was quite interesting, it belongs on the Bay View, Washington page. These are two different communities, in different counties. I have moved it to the approprate page, and modified this one to be relevant. TEG (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Ok, yeah, I guess the bot messed that one up and I didn't catch it. Thanks for fixing it and letting me know. --CapitalR (talk) 02:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:British viscounts[edit]

...has been nominated for speedy deletion as an orphan! I've taken a wikibreak for Lent, so would you mind helping to sort it out please? Many thanks DBD 00:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

Please see discussion at Talk:United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 2008#Merger proposalMarkles 00:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You can run IE6 (etc.) on Mac[edit]

On Template talk:Navbox#Discussion you said: “I've tested on just about every other browser, but don't have a computer capable of running IE6.” If you have a computer capable of running Safari (yay!), you have a computer capable of running IE6, using IEs4OSX. If you're more into Linux, you might want to use IEs4Linux. Both work quite well – no better than IE on Windows, though :-) Fred Bradstadt (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Cool, thanks, I'll give that a try tomorrow. --CapitalR (talk) 11:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Is it legal? (talk) 01:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm not completely sure, but it looks okay to me (famous last words). I actually was able to get IE6 testing done through Microsoft Virtual PC (Microsoft provides Vista users with a free way to run a virtual XP system with IE6 or IE7 for testing purposes), so I never tried out the IEs4OSX program. Anyways, that program is for Mac's only as far as I could tell, and I don't have a Mac, so I couldn't make use of it. --CapitalR (talk) 15:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:FAR for the Bill of Rights[edit]

I have nominated the article on the Bill of Rights for featured article review. Please contribute your feedback. (talk) 01:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Templates and style updates[edit]

May I ask why you are changing templates to be right align and other such changes such as here? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Mainly because that's how the vast majority of the 25 thousand other navboxes are styled, and it looks a little funny that those ones don't match up. It makes it easier to read when the group has a right align and the list area has a left align (that's graphic design 101, which is why it's the default style). I really don't care all that much though (I was just doing general cleanup to a lot of templates at the same time), so feel free to revert those style changes. I do think getting the images out of the title area was a good idea though; that just looked weird. --CapitalR (talk) 09:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Woodsfield, Ohio[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that back in October, 2007 when you ran CapitalBot through all of the Ohio cities to add the Infobox Settlement, you forgot to add a Infobox Settlement to Woodsfield, Ohio. I was just wondering if theres someway that you can add one.---OHWiki (talk) 06:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The Wilson, Ohio article also does not have a Infobox Settlement yet.---OHWiki (talk) 06:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
There you go, it should be all done now. Let me know if there are more (just give me a list of Wikilinks without the infobox all at once and I'll try to take care of it). The bot had about a 1-2% skip rate for various reasons, and I just haven't had the time to go back and fill in all the ones it missed on the first pass. --CapitalR (talk) 06:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much for doing that. Happy Editing.---OHWiki (talk) 06:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Your Watchlist[edit]

  • How pages are on their? cause that is a lot.  Demon Hunter Rules  {UserTalkPage} 21:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I keep a few different watchlists of varying sizes, and swap them in and out as needed (I'm guessing you came across my userpage with the list of different watchlists). Some have about a hundred pages, while the larger list has a little over a thousand. I've been busy with other projects on Wikipedia lately, so I haven't been paying much attention to my watchlists. --CapitalR (talk) 22:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Template AWB[edit]

I noticed that your mass removal of styles also removed this, which is not included in the Navbox class (or the template is coded wrong).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I made that change manually on a few templates. For templates using {{Tnavbar-collapsible}}, the font-size is already taken care of, so I removed it for those; this one used {{Tnavbar-header}} instead, so shrinking the font-size was an error on my part. However, I do plan on converting these to use {{Navbox}} as soon as the new code for that template goes into effect on May 1st (don't worry, I'll do my best effort to maintain their look and color scheme). Sorry about any problems. --CapitalR (talk) 00:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I actually prefer not to use the {{navbox}} formatting for these templates. I don't see why everything has to be unified and the same.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
      • That's ok, you can use the navbox class directly if you want (and if I happen to change it, feel free to revert my changes). Last year before I embarked on the massive navbox standardization project, there were so many styles and forms that it made the bottom of articles look quite ugly with all the different types. Now that there is a standard everything looks much better (over 21,000 other templates use {{Navbox}} directly). However, the standardization is still only about 75% done and I'm working on getting as many as possible converted (why stop now after all the hard work?). In addition, it seems to me that when editors go to create new navboxes, they tend to find an existing one that they like, and then modify it. Thus, if we can get as many as possible to use {{Navbox}}, then we can ensure that the styles will stay consistent and constrained for future navboxes instead of the huge variation in styles that we saw just a year ago. So, in my opinion, if possible we should always use the {{Navbox}} template to promote standard and simple design. --CapitalR (talk) 03:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't make this large scale of a change to these templates without some discussion first. It's not that it's a big deal, but there's often reasons for specific formatting in navboxes, and it shouldn't be just an automated process. -- Ned Scott 10:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sorry about any effects my changes might have had on prior discussions. It's all done now anyways, and I generally operate such edits on a one-pass basis, meaning that if you revert my changes I won't re-revert. The changes were basically just to get templates that are almost full-width to be full-width to avoid ugliness when they are transcluded adjacent to other full-width navboxes. Anyways, hopefully I didn't inconvenience you too much. --CapitalR (talk) 12:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, let me know if there are templates you want me to revert for you (so as not to waste your time), and I'll be happy to do that. --CapitalR (talk) 12:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It's not a big enough deal to worry about :) -- Ned Scott 05:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I propose you take a look to the changes you did to Template:Gasolin' on 16 April. To me it appears that you disrupted the title style conventions as the album titles are no longer in italic. I could fix it myself but I prefer to signal it; if this is the result of an automated process, the same might have happened elsewhere. IbLeo (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I looked at the template change and it seems I missed one italic tag at the beginning that caused the rest to be messed up. I fixed it and all the italics should be like they were before. I'll take a look at other templates I changed to make sure I didn't do that to them too. Thanks for letting me know. --CapitalR (talk) 17:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. It looks good now. Cheers. – IbLeo (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Football Navboxes[edit]

I would open up a discussion on the template widths of {{National squad}}, {{Football squad}} and {{Football manager history}} on the WP:FOOTY talkpage. It is well watched and you will get a discussion there. Personally, I would find the change agreeable but these navboxes were introduced by the project so we should get consensus there for any change. Regards. Woody (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. --CapitalR (talk) 06:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

UN/LOCODE - Infobox Settlement[edit]

There exist redirects in the form "UN/LOCODE:USNYC" Category:Redirects_from_UN/LOCODE . Some are hand created, and one mass creation by Rambot took place. It would be nice to add more. A redirect has this content:

task 1

The Germany specific version of Infobox Settlement, namely Template:Infobox German Location has a field locode. I don't know how often it is filled. The value is often given as XX XXX instead of XXXXX. Could the bot create new redirects?

task 2

Articles that use the Infobox Settlement and have an incoming UN/LOCODE redirect could get the value from the redirect into the template. Could your bot do this?

task 3

Take the UN/LOCODE database and add completly new articles and/or add "Template:Infobox Settlement" and add data from the UN. Difficult, currently only an idea.

regards UnLoCode (talk) 09:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi UnLoCode, I'll have to examine this idea more carefully; I'm not quite sure I understand everything you're asking me to have my bot do. I'm not sure it's possible to determine from an article which redirects point to it. Also, my bot is not designed to add new pages (it's really only designed for the specific task of updating Infobox Settlement in US articles). You might try Wikipedia:Bot requests to see if anyone else can help you out. --CapitalR (talk) 01:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi CapitalR, ... ok, I see. I will maybe go to BOTREQ. best regards UnLoCode (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


It has been proposed at WT:RfA that you would make a fine admin. I've taken a quick look at your edit history and overall, I tend to agree. I do, however, have some questions:

  1. Are you interested in becoming an Admin?
  2. You have a sporadic edit history. Eg you have periods of activity and periods of inactivity. Is there a reason for this?

If you are interested in running for admin, I'd be willing to take a closer look at you this evening/tomorrow and possibly nominating you---if you still look good after a closer examination.Balloonman (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Balloonman, thanks for offering to take a look at my contributions to see if I'd be worthy for running for adminship. I would be happy to run if you were to nominate me; please let me know what I can do to help. I have been thinking about getting an RFA process started for myself lately, as I think being able to edit protected templates would let me contribute more effectively. As for my sporadic edit history, this is partly from real-life commitments taking up most of my time, and partly from me doing Wikipedia work off-line (gathering the database for CapitalBot took months, at which time I was organizing the data in Excel instead of actively editing articles). Anyways, let me know what you think and how I can help. --CapitalR (talk) 01:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll take a closer look at you tomorrow, I am one of the 'tougher' reviewers in the RfA process... but I really liked what I saw earlier today... the things I liked were that you act like an admin already. People come to you for help and guidance. They come to you to indicate problems with the various bots. And you address them civily (even when they 'demand' things from you.) I also like the fact that you fill an unusual niche---not many people are familiar with bots/templates, so the fact that those are areas that you work in, plays in your favor in my opinion. Again, let me give you a closer once over (I want to be able to write a strong nom---you can take a look at the previous two people I've nom'ed to see what I mean.)Balloonman (talk) 05:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you like what you're seeing so far. I just took a look at your previous nominations, and I'll keep reading up on administrator tools and Wikipedia policy to be ready for any and all questions that might come my way. As an admin, I'll probably continue working in the same areas: template design and maintenance, Navbox work, and an occasional bot. In addition, I know a lot about the MediaWiki namespace and code, so I could be helpful there, and I am quite familiar with the internal PHP code of the MediaWiki parser, and can help answer questions in that field (that's not really admin related though, as only developers deal with that code, but I can still lend advice and information). I would be an asset the community as an admin by fulfilling editprotected requests on templates, making my own edits to protected templates, and keeping an eye on high-use templates (many of which I have created and/or edited in the past). --CapitalR (talk) 07:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

A couple of things. First, I don't know how well you know him, but you might want to see if User:Davidgothberg wants to be a co-nom? He's the one who pointed me in your direction. Second, is there anybody else that you want to co-nom you? I generally don't like to see more than 2 or 3 people MAX as nominators/co-noms. Third, before answering the questions, take a look at my essay on How to pass an RfA. It will give some advice on how to answer the questions and how to act during the RfA. When you answer questions, make sure you give complete thoughtful answers. If necessary look up the answers. The biggest concern isn't knowing all of the answers, but demonstrating that you can find and interpret the applicable policies/guidelines when you don't know the answer. Treat the questions like an interview. Use them to make a solid first impression. Take your time on transcluding the nomination. Just because I wrote it today, doesn't mean that you have to start your RfA tomorrow. Only transclude the nomination when you feel ready for the abuse scrutiny and feel comfortable that you can handle the questions. There is no guarantee that you will pass. You might encounter some opposes because you aren't active in XfD's and traditional "admin areas", but that isn't your niche. Sell yourself for who you are and what you do. Force people to evaluate you on your strengths and why you need the tools, not on what others may think defines an admin.Balloonman (talk) 08:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Balloonman for the great nomination. I'll talk to David and see if he'd be willing to co-nom. Hopefully I can get this into the live RFA page within a few days. Thanks again and I'll be in touch with questions, --CapitalR (talk) 08:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
When you decide to transclude, do so when you have the time to keep an eye on the RfA. You want to be able to respond to questions or objects right away. So don't transclude just before going to bed... you want to be able to watch the first 4-6 hours. Ideally, let your nominator(s) know when you plan on transcluding so that we can monitor it as well.Balloonman (talk) 08:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi CapitalR. I have now written my co-nomination for your RfA over at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/CapitalR. Tell me if anything is strange with it. (Among other things I am not a native English speaker and I am in the middle of a flu.)
Oh, and now is the time to change to a good (secure) passphrase for your Wikipedia account if you haven't already got a good passphrase.
--David Göthberg (talk) 15:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the co-nom and the advice. I'll probably be looking to you to answer some of my questions since you went through this process recently. --CapitalR (talk) 17:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
According to the instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/nominate you can add {{Rfa-notice}} to the top of your user page. I recommend it since it will inform people about your RfA, people who know your work. Both people that like your work and those that dislike it, but I doubt that there are any that dislike your work. And that is pretty much the only allowed way to "advertise" your RfA.
--David Göthberg (talk) 03:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up on the {{Rfa-notice}} template. I was thinking about that earlier today, but forgot to put it up after adding my RfA to the live page. Hopefully this will go well! --CapitalR (talk) 03:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


I've added a few questions at your RfA page. - jc37 23:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with your RfA[edit]

Good luck with your RfA. It's off to a good start, but it is by no means a sure thing. I do expect there to be quite a few people who oppose you because you don't fit the traditional model of an admin candidate (eg they expect to see edits in certain categories.) I'm hoping that the people who realize that you are a true specialist, and not a traditional admin will prevail.Balloonman (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm hoping that people will support me for my contributions to the template space and not hold my lack of experience in traditional admin areas against me. Thanks again for the nom and we'll see how this goes. --CapitalR (talk) 03:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


My bad. Wikipedian 03:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. --CapitalR (talk) 07:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:NorridgeMayors[edit]

Template:NorridgeMayors has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (you worked on this template so I thought you should be notified but it was just an AWB driven conversion...) ++Lar: t/c 21:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes & Tnavbar templates[edit]

I done some Navbox conversions myself and one thing I've noticed is that some of the Tnavbar type templates are not used that much now:

Just wondering if once all those that can be converted to use Navbox have been done then should any that are left be changed to use Tnavbar rather than Tnavbar-navframe or Tnavbar-collapsible. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for helping out with navbox conversions. I didn't even know Tnavbar-navframe existed until you just pointed it out, but I think you're absolutely right that it could easily be deprecated after all the templates that use it are converted to Navbox (or to use collapsible tables instead of NavFrames). The Tnavbar-collapsible template, however, has an advantage over the regular Tnavbar template in that it automatically sizes the div containing the VDE links to be 6em to match the 6em width of the show/hide button (which perfectly centers the title), and it automatically increases the font-size of the title to 110% to make it automatically match Navbox's title font-size. Unfortunately, there are some templates that just can't be easily converted to Navbox at this time (mainly anything using a table, such as {{NBA}}, or {{Tenthdoctorcompanions}}), and I think those are best off using Tnavbar-collapsible to keep the VDE width and title font-size standard. But hey, I love template standardization and the deprecation of unnecessary templates, so if we can find a way to obsolete any of those tnavbar- templates then I'm all for it. I'll work on converting all those Tnavbar-navframe ones to use Navbox soon. Thanks for the info, --CapitalR (talk) 03:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
And wow, I just looked at your template contributions and you've converted a whole lot of templates to Navbox....thanks very much! --CapitalR (talk) 03:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you've converted templates like Template:Footer Works by Julius Evola over to the Navbox format. Is there an easy way to find similar templates as they don't depend on other templates so such as the Tnavbar ones so I can find them using the Whatlinkshere options. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I find all of the templates using the latest database download and AWB's Database Scanner (actually, I use a heavily modified scanner that I hacked to make it even easier). With those two tools, it is possible to do a search to find all templates using class="...navbox..." or NavFrame, which are the ones in need of conversion. I basically finished converting every possible class=navbox template to {{Navbox}} (there's still a few hundred left, but no more can easily be converted until the major {{Navbox}} upgrade on or about May 1st). As for converting NavFrames, a few of those still remain that I haven't gotten to. I've created a user page here of pages that use either class="navbox" or NavFrame that you can look at to find pages to convert. I can take care of the repetitive ones using my automated AWB scripts (i.e. the MLB game log and MLB season NavFrames, etc.). I also don't plan on personally converting ones used on talk pages or by Wikiprojects (which is a few hundred of the NavFrame ones listed). Good luck using those lists, and let me know if you want some advice on using the database scanner. --CapitalR (talk) 15:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and be careful on a few that look easy to Template:LostNav and Template:LostSeason1. I've tried to convert them, but the people in the relevant WikiProject usually revert me, so you might want to do a discussion or look at the history if you decide to try again. --CapitalR (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I might try editing those Lost templates myself and see if the edits stick, but I'll proably leave it a month before doing so, and then see what happens. :-) WOSlinker (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:English cricket seasons 1969 - 2000[edit]

Can you please review your last edit to Template:English cricket seasons 1969 - 2000. --Jpeeling (talk) 10:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There we go, all fixed. I put the "nowrap end" tag in the wrong spot. Let me know if there are others...I'll do a quick check now to see if I can find any. --CapitalR (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
That's the only one I've spotted. Thanks. --Jpeeling (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Navbox and Ambox vs the servers[edit]

{{ambox}} is used on 343,000 and {{navbox/core}} is used on 618,000 pages. Every time we updated ambox the servers got really slow for some day and partially stopped serving images, due to all those pages having to be re-rendered. We also had some server crashes, but some claim that was just a coincidence.

We are planning to update {{ambox}} in a couple of days or so. And I know you are about to update {{navbox}} too. (By the time that update is to be done I expect you to be an admin so you can do it yourself!) So I would like that you notify me on my talk page when you update {{navbox}} so we can keep the updates some days apart. I will of course notify you if I am the first to update.

Oh, by the way: If Wikipedia partially stops serving images when you update {{navbox}} then you should consider adding a sitenotice about what is going on and that it will go back to normal within a day or so. So people don't start editing image sizes etc. to get them to re-render.

--David Göthberg (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, let me know when you do your update and I'll keep a close watch on the job queue and image rendering to see what happens. I'll try to update the {{navbox}} code at a point in the day with lower activity to minimize server load problems, though I'm not sure how much that will help. Right now I'm shooting for May 1-3 for my code update, but I still have to find a computer running IE6 to run a bunch of tests before I'll be completely confident in the new design. Don't let my updates get in your way...just go ahead and make yours whenever, and I'll push back mine if necessary. And now it's off to go answer some RFA questions... -CapitalR (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Right, I am also planning to do my update at the low traffic time.
And I have an Internet Explorer 5.5 that I use for compatibility testing so I can have a look if you like, just point me to a test page.
And exactly, whoever is ready first gets to update first. The new {{ambox}} code is ready but currently editors over at WT:AMBOX is tinkering with the icons for the new {{ambox}} so I have no idea when we will be ready.
And good luck with those extra RfA questions. And remember, it is allowed and more or less expected to read up on the policy pages and essays etc. You'll find most answers there. And you can learn a lot by taking a look at old RfAs.
--David Göthberg (talk) 21:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the good advice on answering the questions. As for the IE6/5.5 testing, I'm setting up a virtual machine to run XP with older IE versions installed on it, so I should be all set there. If I can't get it to work I'll send you a few links to check out (for now it's just User:CapitalR/Navbox/test, specifically making sure that there is a 2 pixel border between groups and subgroups). --CapitalR (talk) 03:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I intend to deploy the new ambox tonight at soon after 00:00 UTC. That is about 3.5 hours from now and is when the low traffic hours start for Wikipedia. (The new ambox default images were finished today. And they look better than ever!)

I have taken a quick look at your navbox test examples and they look great in all my browsers. But it was just a quick look. Will look more at some later time.

--David Göthberg (talk) 20:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Deploying ambox tonight sounds great. I'll take a look when it comes out to see all the new features. Hopefully my adminship will succeed just after you put ambox through, then (assuming it succeeds) I'll spend some time checking out the new tools and finish preparations for the Navbox deployment. I think I'll shoot for around the same time of the day as you, just 24 hours later; that should be enough time to give the servers a rest (though the job queue has been around 10 million for days now, I'm not sure what's up with that). Thanks for doing some quick tests in your browsers; I've now tested in every browser (and version) I can think of, and in a few operating systems, so I'm fairly confident it should work well. Good luck with your deployment, and I'll give you a heads up before I do mine so you can be on the lookout for any errors. --CapitalR (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Just remembered, there is one thing you might want to know: When we update highly used templates like these then it is normal that when pressing the save page button it takes a long time and then you get a big scary full screen error message. That is because it takes longer time to put the job on the job queue than the save time out. But don't press the save button again. Just wait a little and then go to the page and you'll see it is saved.
--David Göthberg (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I actually fulfilled an editprotected request on {{reflist}} yesterday and got that same problem, but saw that the edit went through. It's good to know I'm not the only one seeing that happen. --CapitalR (talk) 01:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hail Mary for Help with Template Problem[edit]

I was reading the RfA page for the first time today, and I saw the discussion regarding your nomination. I have to say that I like the cut of your jib - you have specific reasons for why you think the admin tools would be helpful, and you'll stay away from the areas where you're not comfortable until you are. Nice! I'll add my comments there shortly.

However, it occurred to me that you might be able to help me out with a template problem I ran across a couple of months ago. The template in question is Template:MLB yearly infobox-pre1969, and it's used on articles under the purview of WP:Baseball. The problem is with the field for 'current league', where there are multiple leagues that have used the name American Association. My particular area of interest is disambiguation, and I've been trying to dab that article. However, the best way to dab that in this infobox is to use a piped link, and the template isn't displaying the information correctly when I try that.

I've left a note on the talk page of the person who created the infobox, with no response. I've left a note on the talk page of the project, also with no response. There's already a note on the talk page of the template itself, so I know it's a known issue, but nobody seems to be working on correcting it.

Is it possible you might be willing to put your skills toward figuring out what the heck is going wrong with this thing? Mlaffs (talk) 20:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look right now and see what I can do. --CapitalR (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, it seems to me that the best way for you to do fix this is to use the {{!}} template as a proxy for the pipe character. Thus, you can make dab the link by doing something like this: "|current league = American Association (19th century){{!}}American Association". Hope that helps, and let me know if there are any other questions/problems, --CapitalR (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
You're a scholar and a gentleman. I'll give that a shot tonight and see what happens. Thanks much, and good luck with the RfA! Mlaffs (talk) 21:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Score! It worked - thanks again. Mlaffs (talk) 01:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
You're quite welcome. --CapitalR (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam[edit]

Mohkam Mopping.jpg Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.
Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.
Thank you again, VanTucky

TfD nomination of Template:The Bob & Tom Show[edit]

Template:The Bob & Tom Show has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Josh (talk) 04:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Simpsons writers[edit]

i was just wondering what your thoughts were re: {{Simpsons writers}} and the repeated comments of Scorpion0422 (talk · contribs). --emerson7 15:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm always a big fan of standardization across Wikipedia, but generally won't argue much if a WikiProject wants a template to look a certain way (though I'm not sure if he represents a project consensus or not). In a week or so there will be a major navbox upgrade, so his styles will be possible with a navbox (right now WOSlinker came up with a hack using even/odd styles, which does the trick). If you start up a discussion on it though, I'll be in favor of the group/list design, as I think it's more efficient space-wise, and conforms to the de facto navbox standard look. --CapitalR (talk) 23:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

flag removal bot[edit]

Thank you for the bot assist--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♣ 08:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Sure, but it was User:Maelgwn who did most of the work; I just cleaned up a few problems that his bot had. --CapitalR (talk) 09:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I thought that was just a bot name!--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♣ 09:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


UFBarnstar.png The University of Florida Barnstar
For good and thorough work pertaining to articles about the University of Florida.

-- Great Job editing the University of Florida Template. Jccort (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of Evisceration of University of Illinois at Chicago Navbox[edit]

Hi. Wondering if you could explain the massive deletion of formatting from Template:University of Illinois at Chicago campus? Many universities have their logo in the navbox. UIC's logo is its name in Helvetica in *precisely* the layout I created: 'UIC' in large font on the left with 'University of Illinois' to the right and below that 'at Chicago' such that those lines are the height of the 'UIC'. Your changes seem unwarranted and are certainly not immaterial. Would you prefer a gif/jpg/png for that logo -- when it would merely be an image of Helvetica letters and would consume more bandwidth to send to readers? --Cumulant (talk) 22:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

One further question: If this was a bot edit, how do you propose to handle exceptions? I worry that your bot will encourage everyone to use images when they might well be unnecessary.--Cumulant (talk) 22:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't a bot edit, so there's nothing to worry about there. I did use a script to convert the template, but it works by me copying the template code into a separate program, pressing a button, copying the new text back into Wikipedia, previewing, and saving after reviewing it (and my script didn't change the title; that was actually a conscious decision that I remember making, explained below). As for my changes, please feel free to revert them to whatever style you feel is appropriate for that topic. Nearly all navbox-like templates use {{Navbox}} instead of a custom made wikitable, and I was just converting that one for standardization purposes. As for the title style, I just thought that the one for the university looked odd in articles because it stood out from nearly all other navbox-like templates (due to it's relatively huge font size, not so much due to it's style of having two lines with the acronym off to the left). I'll go ahead and put that style back in though since you requested it. I generally make such conversions to {{Navbox}} in a one-pass manner, meaning that if my edits are reverted, I won't contest or try to change it back (except in certain special cases, but not for this one). I am strongly in favor of using {{Navbox}}, as it has some built in properties that make it stack nicely with other {{Navbox}} templates and also has built in (under the hood) features (for example, after the major {{Navbox}} upgrade set for May 1, it will be possible to display only certain groups/lists in specific articles). Anyways, sorry for any problems caused by my edits. --CapitalR (talk) 02:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I just put the title back to the way it was before. It seems to me that there are now two style differences between the way it was before, and the new {{Navbox}} version: first, the group titles are not all uppercase, and second, there is striping instead of a border used to differentiate the lists. I changed the groups to use regular casing instead of all uppercase because this is how a vast majority of other templates are styled. I removed the cell border for the list area and used the default striping for the same reason: that's how most other navboxes are done, so I make this one consistent. And again, while I'm a big proponent of using {{Navbox}} for standardization, I don't plan on reverting you if you decide to revert my changes. --CapitalR (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and as for people using images instead of text in the titles, I doubt that will start happening a lot. Only a very tiny handful of Navboxes do this now (just 2-3 university ones that I'm aware of: Georgetown does it, and I think UVA too, and maybe the University of Florida), so I don't think a trend will get started. While the images in the title look okay to me, my main concern is that when you click on them it takes you to the image instead of the university article. --CapitalR (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see why the edit happened. Thanks for converting things to {{navbox}}. No reason to revert that. As for the style differences, those are minor and things I was never completely insistent on -- so I'll probably leave them be. Glad to hear that you're not advocating I use an image when a font is sufficient. Thanks for your work and your measured, thoughtful replies!--Cumulant (talk) 05:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Navbox subgroup[edit]

Hi again. Would you support renaming this template Template:Navbox subgroups as there's usually more than one subgroup involved? Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, on May 1st {{Navbox}} is going to be upgraded to provide the subgroup feature itself, so {{Navbox subgroup}} won't even be necessary anymore. As far as renaming it goes, it doesn't really matter to me (there's a redirect in there now, so both names work fine). Yesterday I went through and renamed them all not because I had an opinion one way or the other, but I was preparing them for conversion to not use the subgroup template at all (but instead I'll re-convert them again to use the new feature that will be available with {{Navbox}}). --CapitalR (talk) 21:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, just for reference, see User:CapitalR/Navbox/test for the new syntax and other new features. The reason I plan on converting all the instances of {{Navbox subgroup}} to use just {{Navbox}} is because the current {{Navbox subgroup}} template has been plagued with border and margin problems ever since it was created; the new version finally fixes all those problems on all browsers I've tested it on (the current one works well on IE I think, but Firefox and others have display problems). I haven't decided if I'll convert every article to use {{Navbox}} with "border=subgroup" (the new method), or if I'll just make {{Navbox subgroup}} a meta-template that just feeds straight through to {{Navbox}} with the border parameter set properly. --CapitalR (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Wow. Thanks for the insight. I'll await May 1, see what happens and report anything unusual seen here (Firefox on Windows XP PC) if it doesn't look as if it's already been flagged. Thanks for all your work. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
PS Hopefully the subgroups' widths will remain constant across different groups...? Right now they seem to be set differently, e.g. Template:Tibetan autonomy in the People's Republic of China.
Unfortunately that won't be possible, even with the new scheduled upgrades. I thought I went through and fixed most of the group widths to match up, but I guess I missed that one. Luckily, using subgroups is relatively rare (about 300 templates out of 35000 navboxes use them, i.e. less than 1%), so we'll have to just encourage users to manually set the group widths to match up. --CapitalR (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Massachusetts elections[edit]

Thank you for your adaptation of Template:Massachusetts elections to the NavBox format. I prefer standardized templates. That said, can you restore the left alignment of the data?—Markles 12:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Oops, my bad. All done. --CapitalR (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Face-smile.svg Thank youMarkles 19:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps of interest[edit]

Since it's about list and line-spacing within Navboxes, this might be of interest. (Perhaps something like style="padding:0.35em 0; line-height:1.4em;" already set up for the revamped Navbox's lists?) Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • The new navbox design has a default padding for the lists like you suggest, but doesn't have the line-height change. The line-height should be set in CSS instead of in the {{Navbox}} template if we were to decide to make that change (something like: ".navbox-list {line-height:1.4em;}"). I think we should hold off on that discussion until after the new navbox code goes into effect to handle one hurdle at a time (since it's CSS it won't depend on any code changes anyways). As a side note, I personally don't care for the line-height look, as I think it makes the text look unnaturally squashed and harder to read (and also could have adverse effects on navboxes that use tables or other templates inside their list area), but that's a style discussion we can hold a little later on. Just as a heads up, I'm shooting for around 7pm US Pacific Time on May 1st to do the code upgrade (2am UTC, May 2nd), so keep an eye out for any errors or other problems that might happen (there will be some known issues on certain navboxes, but I plan on taking care of them with AWB as fast as possible). --CapitalR (talk) 23:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • If trying "padding:0.35em 0; line-height:1.4em;" for the lists need not affect the new Navbox code, i.e. not cause/add to/complicate any problems that arise after 2am May 2 UTC, could it be implemented please to see how many other people don't care for it? Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
PS Congratulations on becoming an administrator!
Sure, I can quickly make up some code that has the automatic line height so we and others can test it out. The code would be tested in our monobook.css files, and, if agreed on, would eventually end up in the master MediaWiki:Common.css file for everyone. I'm going to defer this for a few days though so I can focus on the navbox upgrade for now. The upgrade is designed to have minimal, if any, visible changes (just new features and a major internal code overhaul), in order to prevent mass outcry against style changes. Since your request is style based, I'll leave that for dealing with after the overhaul. Oh, and I don't know how you manage to categorize all those templates, but it's great work. Thanks for doing it all. --CapitalR (talk) 20:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Understood, and sometimes I wonder about all those templates too, especially all those that haven't even made it into any categories yet. That's where User:Woohookitty's work has been key, bringing many uncategorized templates into the system. Makes the overhaul so much easier. Sardanaphalus (talk) 01:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You are now an administrator[edit]

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 00:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. --CapitalR (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
And, thank you to everyone who contributed to my RfA -- I appreciate all the comments and support I received. Now it's off to figure out all these new buttons... --CapitalR (talk) 01:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations. seresin ( ¡? ) 01:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Ditto! Now, get to work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats! And as expected you sailed through your RfA with more support votes than I got during my RfA! So now you are the second ever "template specialist admin", or as we call it jokingly "templatius administratorius". :))
--David Göthberg (talk) 01:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Only the second? There's more of us than that :) Congratulations! - 52 Pickup (deal) 11:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats... I honestly expected more opposes (due to mainspace edits), but it always seems that the candidates that I expect to get opposes don't, and the one's that I expect to sail through have more challenges!Balloonman (talk) 02:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
YEAP, there are many of us template-centric admins out there. Congrats! and contray to popular belief, it's actually not ok to block everyone who opposed your RfA. Good Luck. I'm out!—MJCdetroit (yak) 02:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Good thing you told me, I was just about to push that new block button a few times...anyways, thanks for your support and keep up all the good infobox work. --CapitalR (talk) 06:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Xenosaga List of Terms[edit]

Understood. No, I would not like an undeletion, the list is a cleanup nightmare. After a bit of brainstorming, I came up with an alternative to replace the confusing links on the Xenosaga Pages. I'm proposing using footnotes on the terms to direct the reader to the proper wikia site. Is this proper protocol? And if so, do you know of any examples? Please let me know. --Markozeta (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

From the Xenosaga Terms List talk page, in response to your denial to edit the protected page. Thank you for your prompt response to my request for edit and congratulations on your recent admin status! I would appreciate an answer to my questions, as I do not want to devote time editing the page with a system inconsistent with the rest of wikipedia.--Markozeta (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for congratulating me. I moved our discussion here to make it more visible: Talk:Xenosaga. With any luck other editors will see the discussion and offer to help out. I'd say you should just take a look at a few other video game articles, use good judgment, and be bold to make changes you see fit. Good luck, and feel free to ask if you have questions. --CapitalR (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


Don't speak the language, can't tell what you just did there, but the size of the refs is now smaller on my browser (that is, hard to read now). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That actually wasn't due to my edits, or any edits, to {{reflist}} itself, but rather to changes to the CSS code in MediaWiki:Common.css (edits done by other users unrelated to mine). You can see the talk page there for people who have already commented on that. Basically, the font-size was different for FireFox and IE up until now, and it was standardized to use the FireFox version, which is why it looks smaller in IE. --CapitalR (talk) 23:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ... ugh ... it's Awful. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)