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:I am not sure if you noticed but my comment wasn't concerning these particular userboxes, personally I prefer to avoid political debates. - [[User:Caribbean H.Q.|<b><font color="#0000DD"><font color="#0066FF">Ca<font color="#0099FF">ri<font color="#00CCFF">bb<font color="#00EEFF">e</font>a</font></font>n</font>~</font><font color="#FF3333">H.</font><font color="#FFCC00">Q.</font></b>]] 02:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Puerto Rico

Removal of Che Speaking Videos

Wouldn't it be more prudent to indeed prove those clips violate copyright restrictions before you remove them ? It seems illogical to ban all youtube videos because sometimes the site hosts ones which violate copyright. Furthermore I believe the clips in question would be covered by the Fair Use Doctrine as well. Thus I am restoring them until it is evident that indeed they violate copyright laws - which I doubt as they were broadcast over Public Cuban television 50 years ago --TR 00:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

You haven't provided any evidence of them being in violation of copyright. All you have stated is that Youtube sometimes violates copyright laws ... well ok ... sometimes libraries do as well ... but you don't throw the proverbial baby out the with the bath water. You have not shown these clips in question violate a copyright. And I would contend the burden is for you to do so in order to justify their deletion. TR —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redthoreau (talkcontribs) 00:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The video clips all come from the VHS El Che: Investigating a Legend (also available on DVD). They can be found at this link as well ...

Would it be ok to restore them and site this location instead ?

--TR 00:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I provided new links, sourcing, and am using the brief excerpt rationale of the fair use rule. Similar to how someone would quote a copyrighted book and provide the source --- I am proviing the source and providing a small excerpt under the fair use doctrine as it applies to the topic area. --TR 00:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redthoreau (talkcontribs)

Also in order to be in violation of copyright it has to be shown that I am Competing With the Source You're I am copying From. Without consent, you ordinarily cannot use another person's protected expression in a way that impairs (or even potentially impairs) the market for his or her work. Providing a 20 second clip from an hour long movie does not do that ... and if anything provides publicity for the film in question. --TR 00:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redthoreau (talkcontribs)

Moreover, for instance Many publishers require their authors to obtain permission from an author to quote more then a specified number of words, ranging from about 100 to 1000 words. The rationale being that you ae taking a large amount of material. Well here I am using 20 second clips of an hour long documentary. Thus I would say it is equivalent to citing a paragraph of a full book. --TR 00:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redthoreau (talkcontribs)

explains what I am talking about ...

--TR 00:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate you letting them stay and I really am not trying to be difficult ... however I believe that there is value to having them included in the article and that since they are only very brief cited pieces ... that they would be justified.  ;o) --TR 00:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redthoreau (talkcontribs)

Roberto Clemente

Your rewording of it works better. It does belong with the info about the Hall of Fame induction, as it's part of the same story. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my reasoning. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone said, after the comment about winning the MVP, that he was the first Hispanic to achieve "both honors". Whatever that means. Do they mean the Hall of Fame as the other one? That didn't happen in 1966, though. Maybe I'm missing something. It's early. However, Zoilo Versalles won the MVP the year before, although I don't think he's in the Hall. However, Ted Williams was half-Mexican by ancestry. Does he count? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Williams counts as Hispanic but my guess is that the user is refering to Latin American, Roberto was the first Latin American to enter in the HoF but he wasn't the first one to be the American League's MVP. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually he was never the AL's MVP because he didn't play in the AL, but it looks like he was the first hispanic NL MVP, though Zoilo Versalles won the MVP in the AL the previous year, os he wasn't the first Latino MVP. All in all, I'm not sure exactly what point the editor was trying to make, so it's just as well you zapped it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
As a matter of fact you are right, though Latino and Latin American are completely different terms the fact of the matter is that Clemente wasn't the first Latin American to win a MLB MVP, I "zapped" the addition because it was unsourced and somewhat obscure, the user didn't clarify what "honors" he was talking about. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the subtle differences between Hispanic, Latino, and Latin American? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Latin American is usually used to determine that person's place of birth (this includes both Spanish speaking countries and Brazil where Portuguese is the main language) while Latino or Hispanic is used where referencing the subject's ethnic group. To be Latin American one must be born in Latin American, however to be Latino or Hispanic that person only needs to have decended from someone born and raised in a Hispanic culture, in other words being Latino is not a requisite for being Latin American since that term covers a wider scope. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Aja. Latin America covering Brazil makes sense, because both the Spanish and the Portugese languages derive from vulgate Latin. In that sense, the U.S. and Canada (well, most of it) could be considered "English America", if one wanted to make such a distinction. So Hispanic and Latino are essentially equivalent? And they could be used to describe anyone of some Spanish or Portugese speaking background? Including from Spain? Here's where it gets confusing, though: A black American, born in the USA, might be referred to as "African-American", just as some of my ancestors might be considered "Irish-American". If a black man (or one of any color, presumably) was actually born in Africa, he would be "African". The use of "Latin American" vs. "Latino" would seem to be the opposite usage from that. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hispanic and Latino are usually equivalent, however sometimes Latino is extended to cover Brazilian people while Hispanic only covers Spanish speaking countries including Spain, but both pretty much serve to distiguish ethnic groups. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Some things

Am I allowed to remove this? Looks too much like an uncivil comment. And what was your conclusion with these redirects below? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 04:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't do it, she did use coarse language but it wasn't directed at you, so its not really a personal attack and Wikipedia isn't censored and while uncivil the comment seems relevant to whatever conversation you two were having there wich seems to be about the article's content. I will check them later, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Taking a DMC4 spoiler break

Hey, CHQ. I'm going to try to take a personal spoiler-avoiding break from working on the DMC pages for a while. I don't have an Xbox or PS3 yet, and I plan to get one in the next couple weeks and then get the game. But for obvious reasons I don't want to ruin the experience while editing our pages here. Sorry about this, but we'll get it all cleaned up fairly soon and add another featured article to the DMC pages. Take care! --Boradis (talk) 10:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


I know that. At least I noticed it when I previewed the page but I was thinking about doing something to have it added. Isn't there a way to add the field to the infobox templates? I mean, 'nationality' should appear in all infoboxes about people... The general "People" infobox does have it and I cannot think of a reason why this shouldn't be consistent... there should be an inheritance scheme or something for all infoboxes derived from a "People" perspective... How can this be proposed to Wikipedia? RayLast (talk) 14:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Can't I just simply edit the templates adding that nationality field? So that the editors have the option to either include the birthplace or the nationality? -RayLast (talk) 14:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

El Vate

El Vate is the way that people, predominantly populares, referred to Muñoz Marín in the 1950's and 1960's as a sign of respect. While I don't know the etymology of the word "Vate", any Puerto Rican over the age of 55 (whbich I am not!) can vouch for that fact. When I have a chance, I'll check Héctor Luis Acevedo's recent bio's of Jesús T. Piñero and Luis Negrón López to see if he makes any reference to this title. Pr4ever (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha cuando el rio suena es porque agua trae. I will take your word for it, though my comment is still accurate, "Vate" isn't a real Spanish word. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


No, the Babe Ruth article is not the same because it doesn't say his birth/death date AND the place of birth in parantheses like Carlos Delgado's does. The Babe Ruth article is not redundant, while Delgado's IS. Tamajared (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I could care less about the infobox. I care about reading a Wikipedia article and having to see an unprofessional "... (born in Manati, Puerto Rico) is a Puerto Rican. . ." That redundancy sounds ridiculous. Tamajared (talk) 01:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


Hola que onda, haven't really got to know you as you are a frequent editor of pro wrestling articles. Hablo espanol tambien.--TrUCo9311 03:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Saludos, what are you interested in knowing? I do edit wrestling and other combat sport articles quite frecuently, and have a somewhat active role in the wrestling project because I consider one of its members (Hybrid) a mentor in Wikipedia. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Doczilla's RfA

Take good care of that mop, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


Peace Barnstar 6.png The Barnstar of Peace
I award this barnstar to Caribbean H.Q. for taking the initiative to archive a discussion that was turning editors against each other. Thank you for being the one to put an end to it all. GaryColemanFan (talk) 08:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for ending the Hornetman discussion. It's the last thing our project needs, so I was very happy to see someone able to stop the madness. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 08:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, cheers! - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Miguel Angel Cotto

Sorry, no, there was no particular reason except that he has a brother called José Miguel Cotto who fought for a world title last year... N.B.: As an admin, can't you do something about a user called "Vintagekits" constantly vandalizing the "List of IBO world champions?" He's replacing "Northern Ireland" with "Ireland", he's changing back my "GBR" to "UK" or so, and he replaces "PRI" with "PUR", but what annoyes me the most is the way he talks to me on my user discussion page. Thanks. claudevsq (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I would watch who you are calling a vandaliser! I have tried to engage in a discussion with you with regards this issue on a number of occasion but YOU refuse to do so and just say you "dont understand". If you dont understand the issue then I am very happy to aid you in your quest for knowledge, but I do not appriciate you coming here and labelling be as a vandaliser. Instead of saying I did this or that why dont you provide diffs.--Vintagekits (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
From what I understand GBR -> UK and PRI -> PUR produce the same templates, any particular reason why one spelling is prefered over the other? as for Ireland, there are two separate governments in there (Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) so we should distinguish between both. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Newsflash - the Good Friday Agreement has been in place for nearly ten years - one of its main provisions is that "Recognition of the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose" - nationality in Northern Ireland is not legally the same as in the rest of the United Kingdom.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
That's good, then you should also know that the only official flag in Northern Ireland is the flag of the union, the tri-color flag is not official and is mostly used by people supporting a united Ireland, so in other words the flag we should use in the list id the official one, i.e. the union's flag. Now the Republic of Ireland has a official flag and we can use it on the list. - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Your arguement makes no sense. In this instance, what is the flag supposed to represent?--Vintagekits (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
This one, the flag used to represent a country doesn't nessesarily illustrates that country's political status, in this case the flag of the United Kingdom is the only official one and its the one we will use. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
You dont understand, is the flag supposed to represent the boxers a. nationality, b. place of birth, c. place of residence d. anything else?--Vintagekits (talk) 19:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, Northern Ireland doesn't have a official flag, so there is no flag representing their nationality, the tri-color flag is only official in the Republic of Ireland. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Exactly what? That is not what I asked you what are the flags in these articles supposed to represent the boxers a. nationality, b. place of birth, c. place of residence d. anything else?--Vintagekits (talk) 19:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Place of birth, that is the format used in the List of current world boxing champions, wich is the standard for all these other lists. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
No its not, are you just making this up. 1. Wladimir Klitschko born in USSR in what is now Kazakhstan, flag shown in Ukraine! 2. Arthur Abraham born in USSR in what is Armenia, flag shown in Germany!--Vintagekits (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I just noted that, anyways the last time that I worked with the list the format used was listing boxers by place of birth, for example all of the English boxers were listed under the flag of England instead of the union's flag. The place of birth is the proper format due to the different commisions in the UK. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

(remove indent) It was my understanding that it is nationality that is used not place of birth.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a conversation about this on the list's talk page several months ago but conflicting issues were presented and the "by country of birth" format was kept by default. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Well that doesnt appear to be the case judging by the examples I have outlined.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I know, but personally I haven't worked with the list in a while, the focus of my edits has been the article's of inividual boxers, so I'm not up-to-date with what happened with the flags, however that was the last conversation over the flags that I can recall. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Got a link to that conversaton? Also shouldnt Ricans have the US flag ;) !--Vintagekits (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
No, there is a separate Puerto Rican nationality. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, just like nationality is legally different in Northern Ireland to the rest of the United Kingdom.--Vintagekits (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yup, but Puerto Rico has a official flag since the 1950s. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just because its got a legal flag doesnt mean much - Catalonia has a legal flag but its legally a country. A PR is legally not a different country as PR is only semi autonomous.--Vintagekits (talk) 20:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Puerto Rico governs itself, the congress doesn't control any aspect of the island's economic or administrative aspects, anyways we are getting out of theme here I'm not interested in discussing politics. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
You seem like a bit of a hypocrite. You are happy to dish out lectures about politics, nationality, legal flags but when you faced with the truth you go awol. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all govern themselves to the same degree as Purto Rico. Anyway, where is the link to this conversation that you claims states that we are going to use "place of birth". --Vintagekits (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Watch out for the personal attacks, and I haven't been denying Northern Ireland's status as a country my point is that the country doesn't have a official flag thus they have no official representative symbol. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
No persona l attack their - it is hypocritical to talk about politic and then when someone asks you about politic say you dont want to talk about politics. My issue here is that legally individuals from Northern Ireland are treated different from the rest of the United Kingdom. The Good Friday Agreement outlines that legally there is a "Recognition of the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose" therefore those from NI can have an Irish, British or both passport. Much like Puerto Ricans, Irish people in Northern Ireland value their nationality highly and dont appricate it being wrongfully whitewashed with an incorrect British flag much like you wouldnt accept a US flag. Now for the third time where is this conversation that you have sid exists?--Vintagekits (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, does Northern Ireland have a sports flag? a flag representing the organization responsible for its Olympic teams? - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thats not the point I am making and boxers from Northenr Ireland represent the Republic of Ireland at the Olympics. The boxers I have outlined are Irish like John Duddy, Damaen Kelly, Eamonn Magee hold Irish as in Republic of Ireland nationality. Incase you wondered what flag they use see Eamonn Magee, John Duddy and Damaen Kelly.--Vintagekits (talk) 20:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
That is what I was looking for, now I would like to know wich flag the country's Olympic team uses. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
At the Olympics all boxers from Ireland both north and south fly the Irish tricolor.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok then, we use the tricolor flag, seeing that is the format used by the countries themselves. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Its more complicated than that I am afraid.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you provide further explanation? - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Most but not all boxers from Northern Ireland identify with and/or hold Irish nationality, however, some do not such as Ray Close and Jimmy Warnock.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Those a exeptions to the rule, such cases should be attended individually. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


I've noticed that recently you've been watching my back, and I do want you to know I appreciate it. Whether it's closing the thread that I was acting like such and idiot on, or simply blocking an IP I reported to AIV, you've had my back. You're a great friend CHQ, and I do appreciate it. Cheers, SexySeaBass 06:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, what are friends for? :-) - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


has been Cuba's leader since 1959 means he is STILL in charge! Please, read well. ☆ CieloEstrellado 00:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey! I think you're right on the WP:PUR thing, I've been tagging based on User:AlexNewArtBot/PuertoRicoLog, but I see we have more than 600 Low/Stub articles which may better fall under a different WikiProject. As for you're article, I'll try and help where I can, I've been pretty busy in real life, with limited participation on project matters. But I'll try to give you a hand. :) - Mtmelendez (Talk) 13:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


Just letting you know I altered your block because the account isn't compromised - it's a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of a banned user (BhaiSaab). Cheers, Daniel (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, no problem here, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Couple things

First I'd like to say thanks for reverting vandalism at the Goku page. I noted that you left a couple redirects like Z Sword and Talk:Z Sword. Why? And since you left pretty much every other Son Goku-related redirect, should I create Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z), Son Gokuh (Dragon Ball) and Son Goku (dragon ball), Son Goku (dragon ball), Goku (dragonball) and any others? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 14:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, you deleted Goku (dragonball) but kept Son Goku (dragonball). Was this intentional? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 16:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still going to delete some other redirects but began by deleting the obvious ones. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

God bless you

This particular person keeps reverting BQ for no other reason than seek revenge for some alleged past action of mine, but he is doing it through TOR nodes. THANK YOU so very much for helping. — BQZip01 — talk 00:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I hereby award Carribean H.Q. this barnstar for his efforts in reverting a particularly malicious vandal. — BQZip01 — talk 00:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar. I suspect that the BQ incident is somehow related to this IP address as well, is this correct? - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your response at AN. The section has now vanished & I couldn't trace it, but fortunately your response was easy to find in the history. That's why I'm replying here. I hadn't realized how the system worked, & I'm glad there's no reason to worry that the system might have been hacked into. Peter jackson (talk) 11:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Che Guevara

Are you willing to do the revert? I believe there is a 4 to 1 consensus in favor. Polaris999 and I would like to do it soon, so we will have some time to work on it while it is still in FAR. That way we could benefit from FAR suggestions. Regards, Mattisse 22:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its still early, the concensus is certainly leaning in one direction but its still close and most of the participants have been involved in editing the article in some manner, I want to see the opinion of some members of the uninvolved community before acting. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible single purpose socks

Majuub125 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) uploaded Image:Akira.jpg claiming to be the author of the work while the source say google images. Later, Nightma12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) somehow finds this image and adds it to Akira Toriyama. Note that Nightma12 once got the same image from an unknown source before by unknown means, and the uploader of that pic is Jacirbadillo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 17:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the image and left a message on the uploader's talk page, although its quite possible that the accounts are related neither has done anything that is disruptive so I won't block for now. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Che Guevara

Taking action? [1] Did you see that we laid out a plan on the talk page, and I was planning to complete step 1, including the revert?[2] Are you planning to move forward differently, after I've carefully tried to get everyone on the same page and coordinate the effort so we can make sure we get everything? Let me know, please, as I was planning to do the first work, which is substantial. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

(ec x 1) I am planing to follow the steps but from what I read (please correct me if I'm wrong) the only step that needs to take place befor the revert is selecting the version to wich revert, there appears to be a agreeing that the Featured one provides more flexibility, outside of that the other steps are to take place during and after the revert and I will do several of the fixes (infobox, removal of deleted images and footnote check) myself before completing the revert, then again if you or someone else wants to deal with some of these issues that's cool with me. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
On the version, I believe there is consensus (so far) on the featured (March 10) version, so that's no problem. On the timing, I believe you're rushing too much. I was going to give it one more day, to be absolutely certain no one can say later that we reverted without allowing for consensus, because Mattisse failed to do the complete FAR notifications when she nominated the article at FAR. As to the rest, if you're doing it, it's all yours, I bow out. I don't want to come in to a mess at the end of FAR and have to do MoS and ref cleanup. I was willing to help if everyone was on board, I laid out a plan to make sure they all agreed, but I don't agree with going too fast on this (there is no timing constraint on a FAR) and risking having someone criticize the revert after the fact because they weren't aware. If I'm going to do it, I would do basic ref and MOS cleanup first, to set the tone for clean refs and MOS guidelines on the rest of the work to be done. Let me know. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of the notification problem, certainly more time will be needed then. As far as the post-revert work I was thinking about doing the tedious image and referencing but MOS is something that varies by project and there might be some dealing with this particular topic (WP:MIL) that are out of my knowledge. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I used to do all the FAR notifications myself, but since taking on more at FAC, I don't have time to do them all. I prompted the first day on the FAR for the notifications to be done, but they weren't done until I prompted a second time, so that delay in Mattisse's notifications leaves an opening for criticism on a 2-year revert, which is why I want to be sure the bases are covered before actually doing it. I can't imagine anyone at this point who is going to come in and oppose it, but waiting is safer. I was aiming at Thursday, and I was only planning to do everything I laid out in Step 1, and then let others fight out the images, POV, et al. I just want to put consistent ref formatting in place from the beginning, and bring the old Zleitzen version to current MoS standards before turning it over to The Whole World to pick apart. Let me know if you still agree. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
That is not quite true, as I did the notifications immediately. It is just that you inserted your orders, in those seconds while I was doing the notifying. I had already notified you that the Portals were defunct. You did not at the time give me order to notify them also. You did not order me until much later that I should notify the defunct sites anyway. Please do not make it look like my fault when I was doing the best I could to follow your orders. Mattisse 05:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Certainly, I think that its possible to draw a line between POVs but we must avoid letting the work of judging the entire content fall in the hands of a single user, otherwise this entire process might be pointless. I can tag in after Step 1 is complete and continue from there. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll aim to do thru what I outlined as Step 1 on Thursday, and I plan to do each step in a very methodical fashion, in case there's criticism or issues down the road. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review of Category:Wikipedians who support Hezbollah

Hi. I noticed you took part in the debate atWikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Hezbollah userbox and I was wondering if you might want to participate in a debate I have started at deletion review of this category and accompanying userboxes here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure if you noticed but my comment wasn't concerning these particular userboxes, personally I prefer to avoid political debates. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


su madre es una puta leche en el culo de su abuela Yo quiero poner mi pinga en su boca.

feliz navidad