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Henry Pym

In response to your query, that edit was not changed out of spite. The preference these days is a tight, two to three sentence lead, as was in place prior to the edit. I listed in the Edit Summary the issues with said edit and why it was not suitable. Unfortunately it would have been a step back rather than forward for what is now a very tight, sourced article. I hope that helps.

Asgardian (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I and another use called Tenebrae worked on that article for some time. He's quite good at the Publication Histories, while I tend to do the Fictional Character Biographies as I've read all the early stuff. If you take a close look everything in there is sourced and is presented in neutral tones, which is ideally how every article on Wikipedia should read. If you are still curious, check out other Avengers such as three of Cap's "kooky quartet" - Hawkeye; Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.
Asgardian (talk) 06:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm...I'm sorry that the last bunch of people were "jerks" as you say. We will try and find some common ground. I've called in some very experience editors to discuss the issue.
Asgardian (talk) 03:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Respect Thread Conversions

I'm looking for folks to help convert Respect Threads to wiki formatting on Project Fanboy: WikiFans. Respect Threads, showcase scans of feats performed by comic book characters and have gained an audience on several comic book message boards. A few other wiki editors and myself are trying to convert them from the unprofessional look of a bunch of posts on a message board to the formatting common with WikiMedia wiki's. To view an example of what we're doing, here is a link to Respect Silver Surfer.

I was wondering if you might have time to contribute your comic book knowledge and/or scans of comic book characters performing feats, and help us out with our Respect Articles project?Millennium Cowboy (talk) 02:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries...

Sorry I didn't get back to your query quick enough... BGC (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

here's one BGC (talk) 03:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

(yeah, take a look at the release date for Wind & Wuthering on that page...) MFNickster (talk) 04:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

dates used in maintenance templates

When adding maintenance templates please spell out the entire month name or use the bare template with out the date entry which will be automaticly added by one of the bots. The templates do not add to the correct categories unless the month is spelled out completely. see In the Air Tonight edits. Thank you Dbiel (Talk) 00:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Genesis Wikiproject

Potentially interested, but am wondering how much more there is to say about Genesis...? MarkRae (talk) 00:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'd be interested, but I don't really have time to make major contributions. I'd be happy to do some proofreading/research though. MFNickster (talk) 02:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation. I'm not much for joining formal projects but I will try to add some more Genesis articles to keep an eye on, helping where I can. Jgm (talk) 03:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

splitting hairs...

No problem... funny, I was in the middle of performing the very same edit (removing the asterisk from "I've Been Tryin'") when you made yours, so my edit never showed up.

You seem pretty busy on Wikipedia, esp. where Genesis is concerned. Would I be correct in the assumption that this is the same CarpetCrawler from The Movement... aka T.K.?

Wish I could help on the Genesis wiki, but my time is pretty limited. Anything in particular you need? (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Our World screen shots

Ask and ye shall receive... Otto4711 (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Jill Collins (nee Tavelman)

In the credits at the end of "The Video Collection", I'm pretty sure she's listed as having appeared in the Take Me Home video. As for the cameo in "Don't Lose My Number", I forgot I was talking about Take Me Home, so I'll clarify the comment. I was always under the impression that she had been the blonde who smiles at Phil, but seeing her in Miami Vice later, I'm not so sure. I still think one of them is Jill, but I'd have to go back and see the video again. The lady at the end of the video for TMH is almost surely Jill, but I'll let you know if I was mistaken about the credits. From her voice, it sounds just like her (she had a couple of lines in Miami Vice), and Phil has said that he and she "met in the middle" accent-wise, so that people believe her to be English and he American. Given that the voice at the end of the video is obviously American, but says "haven't you?" with a bit of an English accent, it would seem to indicate that it was Jill. I'll report back when I can do some more research. MaxVolume (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to watch the video again to place everyone (and even then I might miss a few), but here are the credits for "Don't Lose My Number"...
Geoff Banks, Jill Collins, Mal Craggs, Morris Lyda, Leland Sklar, Tony Smith, Peter Robinson, Daryl Stuermer & Chester Thompson
Sadly, I was mistaken about a credit for Jill in "Take Me Home", so while I'm nearly certain it's her, I can't provide a source. I'm thinking that he mentioned in an interview that hers was the voice at the end of the video, and I'll let you know if I find that interview again, or any other reliable source. Good luck in your pursuits, and I'll try to help as much as I can. MaxVolume (talk) 05:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I Want You (album)

Got the citation for the criticism sentence.

Dan56 (talk) 20:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The Man With The Horn/Doesn't Anybody Stay...

Hi again... I've been looking through the Messages from Phil in the official forum and found where Phil admits he was wrong about Easy Money. I've made edits to the appropriate articles. Also, I've already made the edit, but I found the post that led you to confuse Pick Up The Pieces as a version of Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore. Phil was giving answers to several questions asked in posts by fans, so he had switched gears and was talking about the song PUTP, which is a song by Average White Band that he covered on tour with the Big Band... it has nothing to do with DASTA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxVolume (talkcontribs) 20:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, nobody's perfect... and you should be able to trust the man himself, right? Well, as he says, his mind is old and weak, etc. Anyway, no harm done. I hope my edits don't offend you... Wikipedia isn't the ideal some claim it is. Editing by committee isn't always best, since it often leads to edit wars where neither party is right, and the article itself suffers. I've never really been interested in what constitutes a "good article" by Wikipedia standards, but I hope I've helped. I'll try to do more as time permits. Gives me a way to look busy at work. ;) MaxVolume (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Henry Pym lead

Thanks for the note. He has a lot to contribute but after the last blocking a few of the editors have decided to help out (acting as the.. "oil" to help reduce "friction") and I was asked to help point out the relevant guidelines and try and keep things moving forward rather than getting derailed. Henry Pym was just the first example I stumbled across and you are right - to move the article on to higher quality ratings it has to have a lead. Clearly things are never perfect straight from the box, but that is the point of the wiki - you can put content out there and other people can refine and hone it. I think it'd be more constructive if we could move on to discussing what improvements are needed (perhaps reduce the number of paragraphs, in line with WP:LEAD and see what we can leave out and what needs to be included). We aren't there yet but hopefully things will start moving on soon.

Also you do run into "jerks" then the relevant Project is always available to look things over and given an independent opinion on anything so you can always ask for extra eyes on an issue - I think most people would rather problems are headed off with some early intervention rather then when they are already spiralling down, as no one comes out of such things well (and it disrupts the general forward momentum of improvement we all want). (Emperor (talk) 15:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC))

I thought I'd better put-up or shut-up, so I have thrown in a version of your lead: Talk:Henry Pym#Lead (Emperor). It is far from perfect (and is really there to stimulate debate) but it demonstrates some of my thinking - condense the paragraphs but still let people get a gist of the key points in his biography, as well as how he fits in with the larger universe and his importance. Doing that makes me confident we can come up with a version that can get consensus approval. (Emperor (talk) 17:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Yes there server has been playing up something rotten for the last day or so - I've nearly given up posting things a few times (and then found out that I'd managed to sneak the edit through somehow).
I also agree it isn't fit for human consumption and you are right about some of the bits being clunky - feel free to throw in suggestions there and eventually we can all knock versions back and forth until we come up with something that most people are happy with. I'll be interested to see how it turns out as we need more and better leads on articles, so I'm hoping to pick up some pointers that can be applied elsewhere. (Emperor (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Always tricky - the simplest thing I've found is to track down interviews with creators (as they can give a good angle on character development and their motivations) and reviews (which can give an idea of the reception) - I usually start by going through Comic Book Resources, Newsarama and Comics Bulletin (I usually do a run through the two every day or so and sprinkle what takes my interest around the articles here but there is a tonne of material there and I only touch on a tiny fraction of it) and then throwing out a Google search (just looking for Henry Pym on Google Scholar throws up some interesting results [1]). Stuff like that can bring up quite a few bits and pieces. (Emperor (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Well it is better than nothing - which is what we had before (beyond the most basic opening statement). While not perfect, it is a wiki after all and so nothing is set in stone (something written by committee is probably guaranteed to make few people happy). So that is progress, hopefully next time around it won't be quite so... protracted. Thanks for your patience in this, and willingness to throw versions in and compromise - it helped get us to a solution without too many diversions, which is always heartening. (Emperor (talk) 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC))
Thanks :) (Emperor (talk) 01:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC))
And the sign of a good compromise might be that no one is 100% happy with it!! (Emperor (talk) 01:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC))

Eldridge Recasner

I am not sure if you are vandalising WP:GAN and Talk:Eldridge Recasner, but I can find no GAC hold instructions. Please advise within 24 hours or I will remove your hold at GAN.

Something is wrong with my purge settings. I see your comments.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
How is that?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Summer of '69

Finished and thanks for reviewing the article. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Frog cake

Hi! I've fixed the wording - you were right, and I suspect I was feeling a tad too expansive when I wrote it. Thanks also for making this the most enjoyable GA review to date. I should add that the best part was taking the photos. I purchased a set of the cakes, but the photos didn't come out, so I had to do the same again later with three new cakes. Naturally you can't waste the food, and as my children find them a tad sweet, I was forced to eat all the cakes myself. I still have hope that I will one day recover from the experience. - Bilby (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for the review. The James Naismith article should be interesting - it looks good, and should only need some minor touches for GA. :) - Bilby (talk) 11:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Genesis Wikiproject

Hi CarpetCrawler, I think a Genesis Wikiproject is a great idea. My contributions on Wikipedia might be sporadic over the next couple of weeks, but I'll be glad to help out wherever necessary. I will also take a look at the No Jacket Required article. You might also want to review MOS guidelines for articles related to music here (if you haven't done so already) to see if the article conforms to WP's style guidelines. Thanks! AreJay (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Close Encounters

Thanks for reviewing.Wildroot (talk) 02:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Barnstar

Sorry about that. I totally did this by accident, and didn't realize it until you pointed it out. My apologies. Nightscream (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

GA reviews

Hi, CarpetCrawler. I know that anyone undertaking a GA review does so out of the goodness of their heart, and has no requirements — but I was wondering why you chose to review Heaven (song) instead of some of the entries which have been waiting for a review for much longer. I don't mean this as an attack — just a curiosity. Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 19:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. :) (I've been waiting patiently for someone to review Doctor Who Prom, and I just noticed that items below it on the list were starting to get reviewed. Yeah, I know that the best way for me to get things moving is to review other articles myself, but I'm just not sure enough that I'd be a good judge, or catch all the different criteria.) Anyway, thanks for the reply. :) —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 20:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

GA - review Heaven (song)

Fixed the problems and i'm thinking of reviewing the No Jacket Required page tomorrow. See you. :) --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Heaven (song) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Zeagler (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

GA - review Jerry West

Hi there CC, thanks for the very constructive input, I have edited accordingly. Hope it looks GA-worthy now. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

No Jacket Required on hold

Im reviewing it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 08:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Its a GA, great job. Just saw but either remove the statement that it peaked at number one in Australia or find source. But still great article. :) --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes of course since thats referenced on the Chart performance section so yeah. But you may have noticed i've already passed so. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

GA icons

See the header section of my user page menu. Create a header page. Then transclude it wherever you want.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Gerard K. O'Neill

Okay. Best of luck with your laptop. Wronkiew (talk) 03:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

No Jacket Required

Thanks for the message. Would be happy to copy edit and provide other comments. Give me a couple of days. – ukexpat (talk) 15:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I too will be happy to have a look and offer my thoughts. If you haven't heard from me by Saturday, please drop a reminder on my talk page. Scartol • Tok 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I regret that I have not had time to complete the copy edit and I am leaving for a two week vacation tomorrow. Would be happy to assist when I return. – ukexpat (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Congrats! Glad to have been of some help, though I hadn't done any editing recently. Other matters are demanding my attention, but I'll look in from time to time. Any other article you need help with? MaxVolume (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I finally got around to the promised peer review. Good luck with the article! Scartol • Tok 17:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a Riot Goin' On

If youre interested, I would be happy for you to submit a GA review of the Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music article.

Dan56 (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

My fault. I meant to write "if you would like to review There's a Riot Goin' On.
Dan56 (talk) 21:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I like some Earth, Wind & Fire
Dan56 (talk) 23:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Nah. Most of the articles I work on, I got liner notes wit a lot o info and a lot of references. I can't find nun for That's the Way of the World album.
Dan56 (talk) 06:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit of No Jacket Required

I will gladly review and copy-edit the article for you. I might not be able to straight away, but I should be able to start today. I will also leave comments at the article talk page. Jordan Contribs 10:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


I've still got that snippet, and it just needs sourcing (ie. date). But, given we are currently on the verge of a major change in stance, it may go in the body. I am going to need a scorecard soon to keep up with all this. Asgardian (talk) 06:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

No Jacket Required copyedit

Hi CarpetCrawler, I saw your message about doing a copyedit for No Jacket Required. Things have been quite busy for me lately, and although life has been simmering down a bit, I'd rather not accept a true copyediting project right now. Music-related article improvement and prose does tend to be my area to work in, and so I'll look over it and probably make a few tweaks. Still, I appreciate the note and I hope you'll get someone who can help with it more! Keep up the good work, JamieS93 04:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be happy to take a look in the morning. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 03:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 DoneJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar. :-) Let me know when you take the article to PR/FAC and I'll try to help you out with any other prose issues that might arise. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 20:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


Yes that would be fine. Any image that is hosted at Commons is free and could be cropped. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 19:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. And at the time I'm writing this it's managed to remain in the article for an 11/2 hours. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 06:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Good catch

Yeah - it's a typo, I'll fix it. In a bit of luck, a friend of mine has the complete modern masters (no I wouldn't pay $50 a copy either!), so I am working through them and adding to articles - it's going to take me months! It's nice to be able to add that sort of detail to articles. --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

"Never Gonna Give You Up"

That one might take a lot more work. Honestly, I'd never heard of Astley at all before someone nominated Rickrolling for AfD on April Fool's Day. Since then I'd noticed that the article had grown so, and decided to nominate it for GA. The song article itself needs a lot more work, though; not as many people analyze songs in sources (especially not songs that are as old as I am), so== User requests to be unblocked ==

I don't know if it's a potential GA. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 18:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

User:The RatedRKOLegendKiller

But didn't put it in the unblock template. I thought you'd be interested since you blocked him in the first place. Check over here. Thanks and have a nice day! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I have posted a message to him suggesting that he uses the right template. If he does so, another admin will decide the merit of what is in reality a fairly short block. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 12:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Invisible table

Tables have borders, if you set the size of the border to 0 you won't see it. - Mgm|(talk) 17:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

You Are Not Alone

I've replied here. Cheers. — Realist2 17:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, another one of my articles just past as well. — Realist2 19:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Keith Jackson

I'd be happy to help bring it up to a GA or FA. The only issue is finding sources to flesh out his career. I'm also not as sure as how it would best be arranged to meet GA requirements. I'm sure feedback would be provided from one of the GA reviewers. Let me know when you start working on it and I'd be happy to assist you. --Bobak (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Paul Reubens

Thanks for reviewing and letting me know, I've left you some comments at Talk:Paul Reubens/GA1.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 15:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE! :) --Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 19:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for everything! see you around--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 08:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


Nice of you to do that with the Barnstar. Many thanks. Asgardian (talk) 03:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Stranger in Moscow

You haven't forgot about this have you? I just haven't heard anything off you in several days? Anyway no rush. Have a great day CarpetCrawler. — Realist2 14:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure no problem. :-) — Realist2 18:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I think it's all done, I think we are both a little out on the one issue. — Realist2 00:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Yay! Thank you. — Realist2 20:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)