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Gary Chester[edit]

It was a mass revert of a notorious user. Have you got a reliable source that says he is of Sicilian descent? GiantSnowman 18:39, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

That is not a reliable source... GiantSnowman 19:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 Done GiantSnowman 07:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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I uploaded this years ago and don't really care about it. Carptrash (talk) 04:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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The Nazi Party Talk page[edit]

I was going to ask you to remove your comments, but I have put them in the hatted thread. I know it's frustrating for the same 'new' accounts to come on the Talk page and make the same false claims, but expanding the Talk page into a forum will only make things worse, imo. No offense meant. Dave Dial (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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World's Columbian Exposition[edit]

I feel an American Art at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition list/table coming on.

I consolidated your "Carr" citations using this -- [1]:page number -- which pares down the number of footnotes and displays the page number by the name of the artist/work. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

So, take a look at this, User:BoringHistoryGuy/sandbox, and see if you think it's worth proceeding. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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Women in Red[edit]

Hi there, Carptrash. Good to see we have one more experienced editor as a member of WiR. Hope you will find time to create lots of women's biographies. If you ever run into any difficulties or need assistance, please let me know or contribute to our WiR talk page. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hey old friend. Hope all is well with you and that your sight situation is much improved since we last talked. Thank you for the nomination. There is absolutely no problem with it. It will take about 5 weeks to work its way up the Queue. Much respect! ―Buster7  19:39, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Second opinion[edit]

I left a note on Doncram's talkpage. Let us know what you think. Perhaps this would require an RfC?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Would you like to edit both articles? In this article, just after Morton in the early history, we could add that NBF was inducted at the Maxwell House Hotel (since it was Morton who inducted him), and that the organization led to countless lynchings, yet Douglas Henry thought it was a good idea to 'honor' him with a bust in the state house in the 1970s... In the other article, it would be in "Reconstruction and Jim Crow." Note that the "women's rights" section fails to mention that the UDC was founded there... Perhaps it could be renamed "Some women's rights"...Zigzig20s (talk) 02:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Doncram: FYI.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm not not responding, but not sure what's going on exactly. Sure, a bust of NBF being placed in Nashville in the 1970s is a pretty big fact, probably worth mentioning in the Nashville, Tennessee and/or History of Tennessee articles, as was suggested at my talk page. Not sure what is controversial editorially about making objective mentions, though maybe those are not so easy. But I also did/do not really understand all the energy around the List of Confederate memorials article. What is being discussed here that would be a disservice to readers, I am not following, much less what would require or benefit from an RFC. Is the goal here to get the "right amount" of exposure about NBF into Tennessee articles? BTW, I watched some of this YouTube of National Park Service lecture about NBF in which it is developed that NBF is a popular hero in northern Mississippi while other Confederates like Joe Wheeler are heroes in other local areas of Mississippi. --Doncram (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Doncram: Yes, the issue may be due weight, but here I think it is overdue since they're not shy about it. Would you like to update the first article based on what I suggested above and your own editorial expertise please? You can find sources in Maxwell House Hotel and Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust. Or should we agree on a few lines together first?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Again I am not intending to avoid this, but then also I find that I don't really have a lot of perspective about what is most appropriate to include in an article about Nashville, relative to other things that might be mentioned. At first glance I don't see anything much of relevance in the Maxwell House Hotel article, i.e. i don't see any statement to copy/transfer from there. There is more substantial coverage in the Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust article, which seems to adequately explain some controversy from its installation in 1978. It seems to me that it should be mentioned in Tennessee State Capitol, where it is not yet mentioned i think, before being mentioned in the Nashville article. --Doncram (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
And the TN state secretary, Tre Hargett, wants to keep it there.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Doncram: The reason why the hotel is relevant is because NBF was inducted there in Nashville. That's what makes the bust especially relevant. And it is not a minor detail in the history of the city. It makes more sense then that the UDC was founded there. Currently the article only mentions Morton. If you re-read what I wrote earlier, I think we could expand on that and add more about NBF plus the bust.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Parkwells: Thoughts?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
I am actually staying away from CSA monuments these days after bailing out on the main article. Carptrash (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I took a break too because it ended up creeping me out, but in this case I feel we may be doing a disservice to our readers.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Zigzig20s I looked at that "some women's rights" thing. You have a point, of course, but it is true that organizations like the UDC are frequently described as emancipatory in that sense. One is reminded of the idea of white women's tears. I have no easy answer or suggestions for this matter: we are encouraged not to editorialize, of course... BTW I've been to the memorial twice now. Give me a ping if you're in the neighborhood and I'll go with you. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I have heard that, but we would need to figure out who spread that idea. Was it members of the Southern Historical Society, or friends of Edith D. Pope? (I would highly recommend reading Edith D. Pope and Her Nashville Friends: Guardians of the Lost Cause in the Confederate Veteran.) Adelicia Acklen couldn't vote but she was very powerful--undoubtedly more so than poor men. But we would need an RS. Is there literature about this by African-American Studies scholars that we could cite?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
I felt that in that case we were doing a huge disservice to our readers too. I was outnumbered. Carptrash (talk) 17:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm about to log off, but I'd be happy to help if I can. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Drmies (and others): Do you have an informed opinion about whether we should add that Forrest was inducted in Nashville in this article (after Morton), and that the city has "honored" him with a bust in their state house since the 1970s please? It is all factual and seems overdue to me but I could be wrong.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Have faith in your feelings. If you think it should be there then put it there. Carptrash (talk) 02:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I only have faith in reliable third-party sources. I feel it does contextualize the UDC's founding decades later and even possibly this (and this), but that's an opinion. Do you think it should be there?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Since trust my feelings better than any source I am probably not the person to be asking. Carptrash (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Hmm I have both--feelings and consideration of sources. First of all, the bust could be mentioned in the same paragraph as Morton, but the placement of the bust is very much a 20th-c thing, so chronologically that doesn't work all that great (though a sentence like "NBF, inducted in that chapter in 18xx, was honored with a bust in 19xx", might be appropriate)--those monuments and their placement is a Jim Crow/Civil Rights era thing so placing it in the 20th-c era fits better. Ideally we'd have a section for "Racial history and Civil Rights" or something like that--for many, many articles on cities and states in the US. Anyway, if there is sourcing, and it's not just newspaper articles reporting contemporarily about the controversy, then you have a good argument for putting it there. Thanks, and good luck--and yes, I agree you should trust your judgment (that's not the same as feelings) and if it tells you to be bold, then go for it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Drmies:, at this point I will say, "Well spoken" and pass on the opportunity to present my opinion that all judgements are in reality based on feelings. Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, User:Drmies, NBF was inducted there, nowhere else. Perhaps that should not be absent from the 19th century section. The bust is controversial but they could always remove it. Historical facts like the location of the induction don't go away, and given how much damage his ideas/actions did to his fellow citizens, I don't see why I'd be the one to be bold. It seems very bold (outrageous even) to leave it out.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry--I thought you were asking me if it was a good idea to put it in. I'm obviously agreeing with that, if the sourcing is good (meaning not just that it happened, which shouldn't be doubted, but that the sourcing proves that scholars, historians, etc. agree that it matters). It sounds like you're taking issue with what I said, like I'm arguing against inclusion or something. I'm not. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Drmies: I think you could be a great editor to do it, given all your experience with controversial topics.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
This is your edit @Zigzig20s:, why are you being so squirrelly about doing it? Do it. we all agree. Carptrash (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
No, I don't own any content.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
It would not be chronological, but we could also add this. What do you think?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
That would be fine. I do find the claim in the Beverly Briley article that " He was an alcoholic.[2] " and sourced to a newspaper to be unusual. Mostly newspapers don't carry that sort of information. Carptrash (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
"Briley, who acknowledged he had a drinking problem, also underwent surgery a few months ago for cancer."Zigzig20s (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
well there it is. Carptrash (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
I still feel we should agree on a specific text together before it gets added to the article.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Charting statistics[edit]

Hi there. Do not worry - my main concerns were the fact that the statement was only true for the charts in the United States, and that this is only true for the Hot 100 era. In order to qualify a statement like that my problem with a lot of those statements is that there are so many parameters which need to be drawn - number one during the Hot 100 era in the United States.

I have been collecting vintage music over the last year or so. It is amazing, for example, how many Gogi Grant tracks there are out there quite apart from her only Top 30 UK hit "The Wayward Wind". When you can find over 100 songs for a singer who only had a single charting hit, this is perhaps both thorough and overly obsessive! I have found, for example, nearly 60 songs by - and cover versions of songs by - Marcie Blane.

Stay well. Bobo. 18:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Bobo192: The UK seems to be in the center of the "vintage music" (as you put it) revival, at least in terms of putting the music out here for us to find, on CD. Because of personal finance reasons I can't buy all the music I'd like to but what I can afford seems to come in 2 CD sets, published in the UK. Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Youtube is a wonderful thing, has opened my eyes to so much more than is commercially available. Modern music obsessives (obsessive being a hyperbolic exaggeration) couldn't exist without it! There is a wonderful old philosophy on Wikipedia that no article can be perfect because no article can - dynamically - contain every single piece of necessary information. The same is true of a music collection. Bobo. 18:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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