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Around Oxford! Well I would have said hello earlier had I known, but didn't have pages on my watchlist you edited until The Young Ones so apologies for the delay. Welcome. --Alf ^melmac 22:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Late reply apologies

Thanks for dropping by to say "hello", and my apologies, in reply to your apologies for the delay, for being so late. I think that's suitably obfuscated, anyway. I've remained only an occasional contributor where I shall try to keep an eye out for stray apostrophes. It's amazing how prolific they are once they escape. Chri's(!) Wed 14 Jun 2006 21:10 BST

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Reichhart

Hi Chris,

I'm Traugott from Germany. I noticed that you created the entry Johann Reichhart, a character I'm interested in as well. I own a copy of the only existing German book about him, and edited the (previously existing) German article de:Johann Reichhart and your English article accordingly.

I might have to get hold of a copy of that. My German is at present far too poor for me to have any hope of reading it but I intend to rectify that soon. Which may be somewhat ambitious for a person with my poor aptitude for languages (including my own, given some of my recent grammatical gaffes) as well as being lazy and having no concentration! Chris 21:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Some problems: My sources never give his second Christian name "Baptist". Where did you get that from? It's not uncommon for a Bavarian named Johann to have a second name specifying whether he was named for John the Baptist or John the Evangelist, but I nowhere found that Reichhart was one of them.

What do your sources say about the Reichhart/Woods/Nuremberg complex? What I found (and I give a "quick and dirty" translation here, so don't quote me. It's from Dachs, p. 120) is:

On 1 April 1946 Reichhart hanged, at Landsberg, two SS members, and 14 more in the night of 28 to 29 May. After that, he declined to execute more death sentences. He had heard through the grapevine that two of the executees were innocent - victims of a mixing up of names, because of the sloppy work of American investigators. After that, Reichhart had to be afraid to be imprisoned again. 'I'd rather be in the slammer than murder one more innocent', he said to a warder at Landsberg prison.

But Reichhart was so proficient with the rope that he, the Nazi executioner, very nearly was picked to execute the death sentences of the Nazi high brass convicted in the Nuremberg War Criminals Trial. But the Military Government thought twice. Reichhart had to teach Master Sergeant Hazel Woods the 'art of killing fast on the gallows'. The gallows, too, where the Nuremberg convicts were hanged were erected under the supervision of Reichhart. On 16 October 1946, Woods put the ropes round the necks of ten death candidates: Ribbentrop ..." (follows the well-know list of names)

This citation seems to indicate that Reichhart did not help Woods in the executions (from other sources I know that one of the executioner's assistents was Joseph Malta, and a *German* executioner's assistent is nowhere mentioned in the Nuremberg literature I'm aware of), but rather that it was he who "showed the ropes" to Woods, and then left him to do the job.
Two questions are opening here: How did Reichhart know what to do with the rope? He was a headsman, basically. Answer: (a) At the time he trained Woods (IF he did...), he had already a total of 156 "long drop" hangings under his belt - at Landsberg. (b) In 1942, the Third Reich introduced hanging as an alternate (more ignominous) method of execution. Reichhart promptly submitted construction details for a British style ("long drop") gallows (so he *knew* about that method). The ministry of justice however declined to have such a device built; the Nazi leaders preferred the (more painful) Austrian method of strangulation without any drop at all.
Second question: Was John C. "Hazel" Woods in need to receive such training?
I don't know, and I am still puzzled at the claim that Reichhart "taught" him anything.
So far, I have in vain tried to find any relevant material on Wood's activities pre-1946. There are rumours that he had been an executioner in civilian life already before becoming U.S. Army Executioner. Could it be that he had so far never worked with a rope? Unlikely, if you ask me. Hanging was a wide-spread method in the U.S. states at that time, and the Army had even a manual about the choice of rope, manner to prepare it, and a table of "drops". Woods was most certainly unfamiliar with the British style, and at Nuremberg used the American-style "hangman's knot" with about 8 coils rather than the British noose running through a brass eyelet.

Well - can you shed any light on that?

Have a nice time, --Traugott 12:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Traugott, thanks for updating the page!

I became curious about Reichhart myself when my curiousity about capital punishment, and also the story of Die Weiße Rose, coincided with him in the middle. Upon finding that there was so little was written about him, my interest was piqued. Most of my information comes from the Gerould book and a few facts cribbed from the German language Wikipedia page about him; I've seen odd bits and pieces when searching the Internet but I'm rather unwilling to use them without sources or some other form of corroborating evidence and consequently haven't made notes of where I might have seen the odd interesting snippet, I'm afraid.

Unfortunately Gerould has little to say about him, only a few paragraphs, which contain:

• Reichhart's full name (repeatedly spelt incorrectly with one "h") in the index and main text, but with no clear citation.
• that he had an assistant called Donderer, who quickly became an ex-assistant after being dismissed for repeatedly demonstrating his skills at a chamber of horrors.
• the number of executions during WWII, and the usual nature of the convictions.
• the trial and execution White Rose.
• the following: "... the Allies used the services of Reichart [sic] after the defeat of Germany and had him prepare the gallows for the Nuremberg war criminals and give instructions to Sergeant John Woods, the hangman for the American forces."

That last bit looks like you're correct in that Reichhart didn't directly assist Woods with the executions themselves, but was responsible for arranging the long-drop and explaining to Woods how to use it. That does leave the question as to why the decision was made to appoint Woods as executioner if he either had no experience at all or no experience with the method employed (perhaps Woods had used the somewhat unreliable standard-drop previously); if these details are correct, it seems a strange decision considering executioners with knowledge or experience of that method such as Reichhart and Albert Pierrepoint were already available.

My theorie is that it had to be an AMERICAN, period, and the two you mentioned weren't.--Traugott 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right, of course; I just don't really understand that line of reasoning, although the same could be said of the British doing exactly the same thing. Chris 21:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I've read about the short-drop method using very thin cords that was used to execute particularly unfavourable prisoners at Plötzensee, but I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Reichhart had only used the guillotine (and perhaps the axe) prior to the Nuremberg trials.

Reichhart used the guillotine (NEVER the axe), and hanged some people by strangulation during the Nazi reign. His experience with the long drop method stems from Landsberg, i.e. from the time after the war up to May of 1946. Remember: When he resigned the Nuremberg Trial was not yet over. The Nuremberg hangings were almost half a year later. --Traugott 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I've been confusing the events of Landsberg with those of Nuremberg. I need to read up on my history a bit more! I suppose I'm surprised that Reichhart used short-drop hanging, given the type of character I've assumed him to be (which may be incorrect; I think I'm in danger of drawing too many parallels with Pierrepoint, largely because as I mentioned, I'm currently reading the autobiography of the latter, but from odd things I've heard, Reichhart seemed to be a man of high standards), although if that's what he was instructed to do by the likes of Roland Freisler then I imagine that he probably wasn't in much of a position to argue. Chris 21:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

"if that's what he was instructed to do" - That's it, precisely. I don't know whether it was him who had to hang the people who tried to kill Hitler on 20 July 1944, but I do know that Hitler ordered them to be "hung like slaughtered cattle", with piano strings for ropes, fastened to butcher's hooks. I've been in that execution shed at Plötzensee, and have seen old photos: No trap doors, the crossbeam was at perhaps 7'6" above floor level.

"man of high standards" - depends on what you mean by that. He certainly did his best to be fast, and he endeavoured to minimize pain. However, he was not a very discreet man and was reprimanded by the authorities for talking too much about his occupation.--Traugott 09:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I've seen some photos of it, nasty looking place when it was still in use.

Regarding the high standards, I was thinking of him minimising the suffering of his "clients" by being as quick and efficient as possible. I didn't realise he was of the indiscreet persuasion, although given the amount of work sent his way it is perhaps the only way he remained sane. Some of the others in his position didn't, Desfourneaux for example.

Have you encountered the Berthold book, Der Letzte Deutsche Henker? I noticed it when I did a search for Reichhart on Amazon. Which leads me to thinking, I don't know what their copyright status is, but it has a picture of him on its cover which could be swiped for the Wikipedia page; alternatively maybe a still from the Die letzten Tage film since the actor who plays him is a not entirely unreasonable likeness. I seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent... Chris 16:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have any further reliable information I can offer besides what little is written in Gerould's book. If and when I come across anything else I'll let you know, though! I'm currently reading Pierrepoint's autobiography; I don't think he mentions Reichhart but I haven't finished it yet...

Sorry I haven't been of more help. Cheers, Chris 13:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Well - there's still another day for research.

Re John C. Woods: I just came across the following: "The executioner was U.S. Master Sergeant John C. Woods, 43, of San Antonio, a short, chunky man who in his 15 years as U.S. Army executioner has hanged 347 people." Says who? Says TIME magazine in an article on the Nuremberg hangings, dated October 28, 1946. See [1].

Interesting write-up, that. It creates a certain impression of the man. I've just read what Pierrepoint said about him, which was somewhat less than flattering. He asserts that Woods in fact used the standard drop for the Nuremberg executions rather than the long drop that Reichhart had promoted, and I have seen other uncorroborated claims that Woods' executions weren't all that slick. Chris 21:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, --Traugott 14:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

My uncle knew well both Woods and Malta as well as the other executioners and has some very interesting stories of both them and the ones who followed them.

In his book, Captor Captive, he describes their activities and how he fired Malta for demanding a heated sedan be sent for him for executions. He said he was talking to Malta on the phone and told him that even the Captain did not have a heated sedan. He then asked the Captain and was told to "fire the bastard', which he did. My uncle is still alive and I talked to him this morning about Woods and Malta. I can send a text of his book as an attachment to anyone interested. tomjax at yahoo dot com—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.153.248.242 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC).

Well, John C. Woods is still waiting to have a page created for him if you want to make a start! It'd be interesting to see what else you can find out.
—Chris (blather • contribs) 16:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

John C. Woods claimed to have attended a judicial hanging in Kansas years before Nuremberg and have been asked to assist the official Kansas executioner. He apparently enjoyed the experience so much that he then applied for a more permanent post. He seems to have been unaware that the knot (or British brass eyelet) is supposed to be placed so that in winds up directly under the chin when the noose tightens and thus throws the head backward delivering the 1200 foot-lbs. of force to the back of the vertebrae, which is the easiest direction from which to apply force to the spinal column so that the vertebrae separate and in so doing sever the spinal cord. Look at the post-mortem photos of the Nuremberg ten and you will see the know more toward the back of the head. The blood was probably caused by too small a trap-door opening. The U.S. Army manual still exists and is used in the States of Washington and Delaware. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.166.54 (talk) 21:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Good edit

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scotch_whisky&curid=28896&diff=68087944&oldid=67134392 --Guinnog 23:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I had a couple of "u"s going spare, so I thought I might as well put them to good use.  :) Chris 23:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you've seen it already, but in case you haven't [2] made me laugh. Slainthe! --Guinnog 00:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice project! I think I'm getting a little too old to involve myself in potential "diplomatic incidents", though... Chris 13:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Recoil booster

The drawing you added is somewhat confusing, it actually looks like more of a muzzle brake than a booster. If the front and rear of the chamber aren't connected, then that would make sense, as the expanding gasses would push the ends apart, which may be what the Vickers booster does. If the drawing shows a single piece unit, then it looks just like the Volquartsen "stabilizer" I have on my 10/22, which traps the gasses and vents them radially. scot 16:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops, you didn't draw the image, you just added it to the article. I'll move this to the correct user page... scot 16:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to worry; I'd be more than happy to draw a confusing picture if that would make things any easier.  :)

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 16:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but no, anytime I wish to be confused I just look at a diagram of a Torsen differential, and that makes my head hurt. Every time I look at one, I almost get it, but not quite. Took me years as a child to finally understand normal differentials--my uncle had a radio controlled car with one, and when I turned a wheel and saw the opposite one spin backwards, but I just didn't get the "why" of it. Years later, it finally clicked, all at once. Same thing for planetary gears. One of these days the Torsen will click as well, and until then I'll just keep looking and confusing myself... scot 16:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you'll enjoy this article about how tank transmissions work, then! That made my head hurt quite a bit. I'm afraid I can't find the link to the Chieftain's six-speed epicyclic semi-auto with integrated triple differential steering, which really made my head hurt quite a lot when I tried to figure that one out.

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 16:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have seen that one before, and yes, those are confusing--all but the CVT one he proposes at the end, that one appeals to my sense of KISS. At least the tank steering mechanisms are all based on simple differentials, so I could, if forced to, trace the power flow. The Torsen differntial, however, uses the evil worm gear. If you've never messed with them, you might not realize that they are NOT reversible--you can power the wheel with the screw, but NOT the screw with the wheel; applying a load in excess of the screw's power will in fact tend to lock up the whole thing, a fact I discovered the hard way when tring to fix someone else's software on a force-feedback joystick. It worked fine under no load or no power; the motors would drive the joystick, and the strain gauges would measure the load on the stick, but the idiots who designed the gear train (it was a student project from a previous year) had used a worm gear to gear down the motors. I greatly simplified the software (Electrical Engineers shouldn't write software) and verified that all the I/O and the mathematical models were correct, but the damned thing just wouldn't work in practice, because as soon as you applied load to the stick the worm gear would lock up. Having had this experience, I'm not quite sure how the worm gears in the Torsen work. It sounds from some descriptions I've seen that with the driveshaft locked, turning the right wheel forward will cause the left to turn forward at a fraction of the right's speed, and that I just don't get. If it's a case of turning the right locks the differential if the left is not turning as well, then I might be getting it. Oh, well, I'm sure one day I'll find a description that will describe it in the right terms and it will click. scot 19:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I last looked at a diagram of a Torsen over 20 years ago when I was still at school; the fact that I haven't felt the inclination to look at it since speaks for itself, I think. From what I remember, I have to wonder if perhaps its principle of operation is similar to that of the Blish lock: the higher the torque, the more resistance it will have to turning, whereas at low loads it will presumably move more freely. From what I remember of the diagram in question, the worm gears were at quite a steep angle so I'm guessing possible to turn in reverse if not particularly easy.

As for the tanks, the Chieftain one really caused my brains to run out of my ears after following two separate gear trains from a common drive which met up in an epicyclic differential whose output turned in the opposite direction to what it should if it had any decency. I think I'll just try to put that out of my mind: I understand that the designer of one of its predecessors went insane trying to figure it out.

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 19:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Shaun of the Dead

Hi Chris - received your message RE: the Shaun of the Dead synopsis. Just wanted to say cheers for the heads-up, and I'll keep an eye out on it. Thanks!--Joseph Q Publique 00:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

ISBN problem

Chris, thanks for letting me know, Rich Farmbrough 09:20 31 August 2006 (GMT).

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VAX

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Kindness Barnstar

For kindness towards a random Wikipedian (i.e. me :-)) here is the Random Acts of Kindness barnstar! Bláthnaid 17:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks very much! Really made my day, that did. Cheers,
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Album review links

Hi Chris, well done wikifying song titles on the Ultravox! album article. However, the use of a footnote for the Allmusic ‎review is not per WP:ALBUM; the way it was with the direct 'link' is still the standard as far as I'm aware... Cheers, Ian Rose 10:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for letting me know. I'm still trying to remember all the various standards I should be observing...
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 12:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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I've gone. Not sure whether or not it's for good, but my recent break made me realise it just wasn't fun anymore: when I got back I found a very long list of stuff that needed cleaning up because of poor edits, whether done through good faith or through malice, and it was just overwhelming. I don't think that the current model is sustainable: the signal to noise ratio is running out of control, and although it may be a relatively minor aspect, I don't think it helps morale when some admins seem more interested in things like badgering good editors about the length of their signatures than tackling more important issues. Sorry, it was good while it lasted but I've reached my limit now. Good luck to those with more stamina than me.

Signing off, —Chris (blather • contribs • e) 21:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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fair use added to page--—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 09:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Suggestion

Hi, and thanks for your message. I made a suggestion at Talk:Bogey which I hope you can live with. I'm sorry if it's not exactly what you would have wanted, but I think it's the best solution at the moment for our readers, who should be our primary consideration when editing. Best wishes, and thanks for asking me to help. --John (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, suits me. Thanks for looking into it. Once I've checked out the MOS I'll put in a link. --—Chris (blather • contribs) 08:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Having had more time to think about it, I think it's best to leave it be unless anyone else wants to change it. I still think there's too much risk of further attempts at edit-warring given the history, and some of the comments were frankly unhelpful; at risk of sounding a bit melodramatic, I'm afraid this experience has left me feeling rather discouraged about editing, and from my own contributions on its talk-page, this sort of thing clearly isn't bringing out the best in me as an editor either, so time to bow out I guess.

I am grateful for you trying to find a solution, though. --—Chris (blather • contribs) 12:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

File:Toyah TOTP2.jpg - non-notification of deletion

Thanks for informing me of your rationale and decision to delete this image.

Oh wait, you didn't bother. It would have been helpful, or at least considerate, you know. The fair-use rationale seemed reasonable enough given the guidelines I followed, but it's a bit late to question your decision a month after the event.

--—Chris (blather • contribs) 14:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no requirement in any policy to notify users of pages being deleted.

File:Toyah TOTP2.jpg was deleted because it was tagged as a screenshot from a music video but was actually from Top of the Pops, which qualifies it for deletion at WP:CSD, item 7 under Files.

I will be happy to undelete the image if you will undertake to tag it correctly, but reserve the right to renominate it for deletion if it doesn't meet criteria for inclusion. Stifle (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

No thanks. I think I'll just leave this as a reminder to myself of why I no longer edit here. --—Chris (blather • contribs) 09:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)