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Dove Foundation[edit]

For anyone working on the Dove Foundation article, I'd like to suggest that we conduct that discussion on the article's discussion page. I accidentally said "talk page" on my edit summary. That was a mistake--I meant discussion page. Ccrrccrr 16:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Toroidal transformer[edit]

Hi, I was wondering why you changed the caption of this drawing from a transformer to an inductor. I drew it, and intended it to represent a transformer: there are two wires to a primary winding emerging from the left hand side, and two from a secondary emerging from the right hand side. Regards, — BillC talk 20:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, and yes, I agree it would be clearer if the wires were shaded a different colour and/or had different thicknesses. I did try something like that earlier, but ran into a few problems and eventually gave up. I still have the POV-Ray code used to render the image, so maybe I'll give it another try with a fresh pair of eyes. Regards, — BillC talk 08:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Building insulation materials[edit]

I agree with separating the discussion in

  • Radiant Barrier vs Conductive /Convective
  • Materials
  • Product examples

A table outlining pros/cons would be a better way of summarising the information

We could consolidate info with thermal insulation and building insulation as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC) (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Apart from a short summary or table on each insulation product, perhaps they should all have a separate sub-article. I am not sure how to do this so that the Edit summary keeps track.

Dymonite (talk) 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


Probably my error - saw the double removed & didn't catch the grammatical error that was left in the wake thereof. SkierRMH (talk) 20:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


You reverted my note about LED efficiency. I have several LEDs purchased from various vendors that are >100lm/W. Not samples. See for example as an example of a 100lm 1W LED. (explains binning and labelling) and gives the overview.

The cited text when I checked it says (paraphrasing) that high efficiency LEDs (>100lm/w) are encouraging the use, not will encourage the use. Thanks.

--Speedevil (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I realise now that wasn't actually >100lm/W this is though. (I'm having trouble with intermittent web connections ATM which is making research difgficult.) Anyway. R2 bin is 112lm minimum at 350mA and 3.2V typ, leading to 1.12W, anything towards the top of the bin is >100lm/W.

As OR, I have a LED in the >100lm bin which is ~3.05V at 350mA. Following the datasheet gives about 120lm/W at 175mA.

This discussion belongs on the talk page of the article; I'll continue it there.Ccrrccrr (talk) 22:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Optimal Average Cruising Speed[edit]


The text clearly indicates that the EPA sees the speed where fuel efficiency begins to decline as near 60mph, rather than 55. The curve is pretty flat between 45 and 60 in the graph in 2009. This graph looks like a cut and past from another, older report. Of course, this also makes the 2005 EPA graph a little suspect in my eyes.

I found a the data and calculation methodology on the EPA site, but don't when I'll get around to studying and analyzing it.

Aaron shem (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm following up on this discussion at Talk:Fuel_economy-maximizing_behaviors#Efficient_Speeds_section.Ccrrccrr (talk) 13:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

4x4 = 4WD + 4-on-the-floor[edit]

I'm sure you felt justified in deleting a piece of 1950s usage history, but I see it as an insult to all those, including myself, who contributed to that factual (albeit difficult to substantiate due to the pervasiveness of the current usage) entry. To date, besides potentially demotivating those contributors, all you've managed to achieve is one non-sequitur response (missed the point, likely didn't exist in the era under discussion).

While I agreed that your insertion of cit.-reg'd tags was justfied, I see the complete removal of the subject as an unjustified censureship, remindful of Communist rewriting of distasteful history. So, to rectify this injustice I intend to AGAIN reinsert the paragraph(s), with some added wording to indicate it was mostly North American colloquial usage by knowledgeable automotive enthusuasts, and had no basis in prior military usage (per your ref) even if possibly inspired by such

As a driver of "four by four" trucks when essentially all cars were 2WD with column shifters operating 3-speed manuals (some automatics becoming optional although many were 2-speeds), I recognized and followed the subsequent introduction and popularity of 4WD and 4-speeds with floor shifters on cars, and the combination being called "four by four." I also noted, as aptly described by Tommm3000 in his contribution of last December (adding to entries that began in May 2008), that the term was evolving in the 1960s and '70s to more of a synonym for 4WD, especially since this and 4-speed manuals were less of a novelty.

Incidentally, my insertion of a ref to "four on the floor" was intended only as such and inserted with that phrase accordingly - you seemed to miss that point, deriding it as supposedly a ref for the 4x4 usage, and you even seemed to use this as part of your justification to delete the whole subject. (talk) 02:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Did you see the discussion on the article talk page? I'd encourage you to continue that discussion there. As I said there, I'd be happy to have something in the article about this usage of the term, and I'd like us to work together to try to find some verification that would allow putting it in the article.Ccrrccrr (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Since you are so strict about citations, may I suggest that you proceed to add fact tags to almost all of this article - it has none now, but most statements are not supported by references - including yours that the 1940s instruction manual indicates that the first digit is the number of wheels and the second is the number of driven wheels - this is not, to my knowledge, included in that citation - implied maybe but that does not make it valid.

Then, when you've done the above, scan through all of the 2.8 milion articles in Wikipedia and find any fact tags that have existed for three months without being resolved and delete the content involved - do this just in the interest of fairness! By then almost every article will look as if it's been grossly vandalized. Do the same to the Four Wheel Drive article in three months, and it will be reduced to about half of its current size.

If I seem somewhat bitter, you bet I am! I believe in following rules and standards but I also believe in fairness - and I believe, despite Wikipedia's rule, that experience and anecdotal facts, suitably flagged as such, are valuable to a comprehensive encyclopedia like this. Meanwhile, until you complete the above tasks or mitigate your injustice, I am gone from this site except as a "read only" resource. Over the past few days I've run across inaccuracies, typos, outdated articles, etc., and have been tempted to correct them as I've been doing since 2004, but I have not - I'm finished - totally demoralized, thanks!! (talk) 07:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel demoralized. Again, if you want to discuss the article, I suggest the article talk page. I don't feel any need to respond to your sarcastic suggestion. Your serious suggestion, that I "mitigate the injustice" presumably refers to working on the article. As I've said on the talk page there, I'd welcome the opportunity to work collaboratively on finding some verifiable content on this to include in the article. I also recognize that anecdotal facts can be valuable contributions. They are officially welcome on talk pages, and I've encouraged that. I also agree that, properly tagged as such, they can even have a place in articles. I'd be open to the possibility of saying something along the lines that the number of wheels x number driven notation was in use in the military by some early date, that anecdotal evidence indicates that some people used a wheels driven x speeds notation at some later point, and that then the military terminology became more universal. Would you agree with that?Ccrrccrr (talk) 20:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense to me - go ahead and it may be the mitigation I was expecting - be aware that I may, unless you do, add the time frame and the reason why the two fours were significant, which were in the content you deleted. It seems, anyway, that you're not likely to get any further input in the article's Talk page (I intentionally avoided it, despite your recommendation to do so, because this is more of a one-on-one than a discussion of the article's content). Also, I apologize for the sarcasm - it was meant as emphasis of what I viewed as unfair treatment - it seems to me that no other flagged content has been deleted merely three months later. (I've taken it upon myself many times to find a citation reference for somebody else's flagged content!) (talk) 23:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Insulator R-value as a rating[edit]

Why you are so resistant to the inclusion of a formula relating the R-value to the heat conduction problem? That's the whole point of insulation. Insulators are rated by their "resistance" to the transfer of heat. There is a process for assigning these numbers and they are most meaningful if they are based on the science involved. The R-value does not merely serve the needs of the construction and building materials industries. It is also of use to engineers, architects and the heating industry.

We need to speak to a wider audience when we do Wikipedia articles. My presumption is that the articles are intended for the general public and not just the trade industries. As written the current article is incomplete. --Jbergquist (talk) 16:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note--will reply on the article talk page. I'm for having a formula but it needs to be correct. Ccrrccrr (talk) 04:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
And upon going to do this, I found that your formula was right, so I restored it. Sorry! My mistake.Ccrrccrr (talk) 13:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Production quota links[edit]

You're right, I'll stop and revert the links that are wrong. Edward (talk) 00:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Your edits have helped quite a bit. Now the articles on magnetic circuits no longer to be seem in the middle of nowhere. Thank you!Kmarinas86 (6sin8karma) 02:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome and thanks for the note! --Ccrrccrr (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Move (rename) engineering vehicle to heavy equipment[edit]

Hi Ccrrccrr, I opened a request to move engineering vehicle to heavy equipment, the later being I think the correct common name of this category of thing and the former made up and incorrect. Someone has replied by disagreeing, naturally. A wave of opinion may be needed to overcome the inertia of the old made up name. Could you please voice your opinion on this at the bottom of this section of the talk page: Talk:Engineering vehicle#Proposed Move? Thanks! --Roger Chrisman (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your thoughts on my edit. The capitalization of "Scripture" is merely pious custom, there really is no need for it. If it doesn't fit with the rest of the article, it can be removed. You are right that it is more specific than the wikipedia article--it is only referring to what Lutherans consider Scripture. Which terms need wikilinking or clarifying? My thoughts are "Scripture", "dead letter" "Holy Spirit", "faith", "spoken, outward Word", and "grace".

I'm not sure what you mean at the end by saying that "reference numbering should be one number per source". I would rather use the refname system to reduce the number of citations, but unfortunately they have different page numbers, even though they come from the same book.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice work with the Lutheranism section. I think it is good for now.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi, please tell me where I messed up. I appreciate you pointing out my error and will certainly correct anything that I did incorrectly. J04n(talk page) 11:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Point very well taken, thank you. I actually did link many of the 'efficiency' links to Wiktionary, but should have been more careful with the others. J04n(talk page) 12:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Light Bulb Symbolisms Section[edit]

Hello there. I feel I have done my best before I added that section onto Wikipedia and I really need other editor(s)' inputs if it is to see much improvements. The editor who removed it repeatedly said it was uncited but offered no constructive contributions. I felt the removal was totally inconsiderate and against the culture of Wikipedia considering it could be tagged as "Lacking Verification" which will encourage other editors to make inputs. In general, the content I added is very widely known and balanced. I can really see it's addition as a positive one. I have refered to other wikipedia articles that have a "Symbolism" section and felt my work was more than qualified for Wikipedia. Not suprisingly, the same one editor was involved in the removal of this section during both instances. --Junsun (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Solar greenhouse[edit]

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What species can be called liquorice[edit]

Hi CCrrccrr. You previously weighed in on the subject of which species can be called cinnamon. I'm considering reworking how this is described on Wikipedia, so please feel free to join the discussion at Talk:Cinnamon#What species are cinnamon.3F. Thanks, Thomas Kluyver (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Under floor heating - history section proposal[edit]

Hi Ccrrccrr,

I've being doing some major edits at the Under floor heating section and have created a new discussion section with a proposal to delete the entire history section as it now exists and upload a time line format culled from a peer reviewed history paper published in the Jan/Feb, 2010 ASHRAE Journal.

I see you have spent some time at the topic ...if you have time could you please review the discussion and comment on the proposal.


RBean (talk) 01:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


A mediation discussion is underway here:

Another editor is presuming that say that you and I and other editors are aligned in some sort of "no nukes" cabal against him. I have no idea what your point of view is on nuclear power; I don't have one. But I thought you should know when you're being talked about.Extremely hot (talk) 00:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Ceramic fibre - an old question answered for you[edit]

See this. --Achim (talk) 03:24, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Earliest patents of Iconoscope VS Earliest patents of I.Dissector[edit]

It would be important to mention in camera and TV related articles. Mr. Farnsworth’s Dissector tube has no relationship with the iconoscope. It can easily be established when looking at the drawings of Mr. Farnsworth’s patent no. 1,773.980 that his camera is not housed in a so-called Braun tube: it does not have a cathode ray beam which would sweep across a photoraster and it does not have storage, among many other essential features! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornicus (talkcontribs) 06:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the formatting chaos[edit]

on the talk page for deletion of Physics major. I created it and I have now tried to resolve it, however, this is a change in the formatting of your text - on a talk page - and therefore I'd like you to check that I did interpret your text rightly, so that I haven't added to the risk of misinterpretation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O8h7w (talkcontribs) 22:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Physics major[edit]

An oddball redirect was created at Physics major on May 7th, in response to a mention in the xkcd comic. I modified that to a stub article on May 11th. I was accused of attempting to bypass due process in the form of a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 May 7#Physics major. In fact, I was unaware of that discussion. I am posting here to explain how I missed that (it wasn't initially properly flagged on the redirect page), and why I thought I had done due diligence to try to develop a consensus on a talk page first. My purpose it posting this here is to keep the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 May 7#Physics major on topic, but to allow anyone interested to learn what happened and to comment on it if they wish.


  • 23:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC) RfD started.
  • 11:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC) I visited this version of Physics major, which did not yet have a flag or a comment indicating that there was an RfD; nor did the talk page at that time. Looking around for a discussion I found one, on the talk page of Physics education. So I made my suggestion there.
  • May 10, I returned and found very few comments on the talk page of Physics education, one that agreed that we should not keep the redirect, and one that couldn't be taken seriously. So I assumed there was declining interest in the discussion and that I should proceed with the edit, but just to be sure I left a comment saying that I was planning to proceed as discussed.
  • May 11, I returned and found no additional useful comments, so I proceeded with the edit. Hardest to explain is that the page was flagged by then with the RfD banner, which I deleted. Somehow I thought that the discussion that was pointing to was the discussion on the Physics education page. I remember feeling puzzled by the fact that someone had put that banner up but hadn't contributed to the discussion. I should have puzzled over that long enough to figure out what was going on, but I didn't. I did indicate in my edit that it was based on the discussion on the physics major talk page, and there were no followup comments there.

I did goof in not paying enough attention to what the banner said and where it pointed, but I was trying to develop consensus, not bypass it. Ccrrccrr (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Amritpal Kulbir Dhaliwal draft[edit]

Hi, I noticed that User:Ccrrccrr/Amritpal_Kulbir_Dhaliwal has been sitting as a dormant draft article for a few years now. I just wanted to check in case you forgot it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks...I had started that when it looked like it might be necessary to retain some information that was to be stripped out of another article, but that issue got resolved another way, so it's now obsolete. Ccrrccrr (talk) 11:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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