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Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism[edit]

For what it's worth, the best material I have found on the cross-fertilisation of the two organisations is in David Stevenson's The Origins of Freemasonry, Scotland's Century 1590-1710. A bit vague. What have you found?. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, @Fiddlersmouth This links; Click me & Click me too direct to certain materials which may be useful to our discussion. Please do discuss with me what you feel about the sources.Celestina007 (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC).
The first article seems to have a problem with facts. Ashmole was initiated in Warrington, the London meeting was much later (I won't bore you with the other stuff, but the facts don't fit the picture). Manly Hall is a known nutter, which is probably unfair. He made a shedload of money out of this rubbish. Meanwhile, we can trace the real development of freemasonry from the Old Charges, the Schaw Statutes, and the actual minutes of Scottish lodges in the 17th century. The telling bit from the first reference is referencing Kings in Coverdale's bible. 2 Chronicles 4 in the same edition actually mentions "Hiram Abif", which he got from Luther's 1535 translation of Huram 'Abi in 2 Chronicles 2 & 4. The hard evidence doesn't have Rosicrucians, although Stevenson mentions them as an influence. He is much stronger on Hermeticists, where it is easier to see a connection. HTH Fiddlersmouth (talk) 01:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Lmao, you said Manly Hall is a known nutter. Umm okay, i think you have a point, the sources at hand may not be proof enough to warrant a Rosicrucian section in the Freemasonry article. i agree.Celestina007 (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2017 (UTC).

A barnstar for you[edit]

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This is for overcoming our earlier differences for the purpose of creating a better encyclopedia. Kudos ma'am. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy If this isnt incentive enough to continue building the perfect encylopedia despite whatever then i definetely do not know what is. Thank you so much for this, this has given me a reason to smile despite the pain. Thank you Darreg. This Means a lot to me + its my first ever. i do appreciate this very much. Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

"Smiles". HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


Hi Celestina007,
Just checking in. Hope all is well on your end? It's good to see you editing again.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Versace1608 Thanks for asking. I really do appreciate your concern. You are like the all seeing eyes of God nothing passes by without your knowledge. I’m alright though. I won’t lie, Wikipedia is a lot like basketball or chemistry, leave it for a month & it would leave you for a year. I have become quite rusty as regards wiki editing. But it is a good thing yourself, Darreg & Mahveotm are holding your own very well. It’s a shame Oluwa2chainz isn’t around anymore. All the same thanks. Cheers Celestina007 (talk)00:48,3-11-2019 (UTC)
Lmao at "You are like the all seeeing eyes of God nothing passes by without your knowledge." Can't stop laughing. I'm glad you are good. I'm sure you will get your groove back once you become active again.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah hopefully so. I’m sure when I’m active again I’d re-learn everything. It’s quite funny because i used to know so much rules & policies of this Wikipedia environmvet it got to a point some other editor called me out for wiki-lawyering. But it’s all good though. More grease to your elbow Versace.Celestina007 (talk) 01:24,3-11-2019(UTC)

Artists sort[edit]

Hello! just a heads up that the artists AfD sort is not for musical artists. See the definition at the top of the sort page. Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 10:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that ThatMontrealIP I presume you probably made an error in this edit - [here ] you removed the WP:DELREASON. If the problem is it was included in a wrong sort list then I’d simply remove it from there, if it is something else please do leave a message for me explaining your rationale because I don’t think I have ever seen a WP:DELREASON removed from the AFD discussion. Without a reason for deletion how would our co-editors make sense of an AFD without a delete reason? Anyways I have removed “artist related discussion sort list” & reverted the edit. Please do reach out to me on this. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 17:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that was entirely my mistake, and quite a bad one it was! Slip of the mouse, and I did not notice it until you properly reverted it. Thank you for fixing the artists sort item.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
it’s all good ThatMontrealIP do enjoy your weekend. It’s a Friday night. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 23:28 15 November 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

Hello, Celestina007. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Teebabalola (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I have received your mail & replied you but I don’t think you have seen it. there isn’t any real reason to be worried. Knowing a person is notable & proving their notability are different things. Even I have had difficulties in proving notability of Nigerians who are clearly notable. As for the article you were editing on David Tobiloba Ajayi I honestly couldn’t find any real evidence of him being notable. Celestina007 (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Biography Barnstar[edit]

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Thanks for your new articles! — Sagotreespirit (talk) 12:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Sagotreespirit thank you so much. I really do appreciate this. Celestina007 (talk) 13:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

How Can I Complete The 10 Suggested Edits[edit]

Hi Celestina007, you send me a message earlier about Wikipedia. I'm quite new here and I'm finding it a little difficult to complete my first ten suggested edits. Please I really need some advice. Vicky Styles 1 (talk) 12:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Vicky Styles 1, I received your message earlier but it was wrongly placed. I’ve corrected all that now. As for your question I’d say you have made more than ten edits. From what I can see 12 edits in all. Celestina007 (talk) 14:18, 03 December 2019 (UTC)

Request For Undeleting Michael Nwokolo[edit]

Hi Celestia,

I just saw your comment on Micheal Nwokolo and i understand your concerns. I just wanted to point out to you that we all understand the Nigerian armed forces ecosystem. The article is not gossipy and i am trying to ensure we digital footprints to some of our best hands and i'm currently working on more of these kind of personas in the Entertainment, Military and Spiritual industry. Micheal Nwokolo was extensively discussed on Twitter and although some few claim his certificates might not be entirely credible, i have been working on this on my drafts for a while now and i've seen that he, a retired superintendent of police have majority of some of these certificates and his worthy of a mention here.

Although, i have replied you on the talk page and will continue the conversation while highlighting more sources to help prove my works, i want you to be more objective and understand.Saxfreak 14:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Saxfreak01, I have not deleted any article. I merely created a deletion discussion page for it because subject of your article is non notable & hasn’t been discussed in reliable sources. Most of your sources on the page aren’t reliable. Before creating an article you should see the WP:GNG guideline. Furthermore what does this comment you made above mean?? “ Micheal Nwokolo was extensively discussed on Twitter ” Twitter is not a Reliable source and it’s not used in this project to prove notability or substantiate notability claims.Celestina007 (talk) 15:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of My Article for deletion[edit]


Thanks for your feedback on this, i have provided with the intial information i have about this director whom i followed his movie or other works. please help me or suggest me on what else makes it better page about him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananddonepudi (talkcontribs) 16:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Ananddonepudi, Although I myself couldn’t find any reliable sources discussing subject of your article with in-depth, if you can find any and include in the article I’d be more than happy to withdraw the nomination.Celestina007 (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Celestina007

will definitely provide further more , i found some content on wiki but didnt recall those pages again. please give me sometime if you dont mind  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananddonepudi (talkcontribs) 06:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC) 

people with articles in other encyclopedias[edit]

It's usually a good idea for subjects from other language regions where there are links in the English WP article to that language's wikipedia, to check that link, at least in the English translation. DGG ( talk ) 19:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

DGG You are correct about that.Celestina007 (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of My Articles for deletion Karl Reger Martin Reger[edit]

Hello Celestina007 Thank you for your feedback.

I never thought of publishing an article about them, until I saw some other articles on other Regers Reger. Considering the brevity of these other articles I though I could give it a try. After reading the Conflict of interest page I still do not believe there is any. Yes both articles are about relatives of mine, however, I do not see any conflict of interest, since I am referrring to them in a historical context. The information provided is difficult to source, since it happened in the 1930. The papers are no longer available and the physics books Karl Reger published have long been out of print, hence I did not even mention them. Essentially, you could consider me a primary source, since I have spoken to them myself when they were still alive. I just added the '

', will that help? Not sure what else I can do.

Koreger (talk) 02:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Koreger, It Isn’t advisable to edit or create a page for your relatives as you claimed above & furthermore as you say above if the articles are “difficult to source because it occurred in the 1930’s” then the article should not be on Mainspace as per WP:CRYSTALBALL we need sources to substantiate any claims made on the articles.Celestina007 (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Your good works are noted[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you're really working tirelessly to keep Wikipedia free from Spam, nice one. For an Administrator to easily access all your tagging works, you'll need to set-up Twinkle to always log all your PROD and CSD tags automatically in your own personal PROD log and CSD log respectively. To set it up, head to Twinkle Preferences, scroll down and mark both Keep a log in userspace of all pages you tag for PROD and Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations and click Save changes. That's all. Keep on the good work, Wikipedia is really proud of you. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 16:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Nnadigoodluck, Oh man thanks for the kind words, it is really appreciated I’ve also noticed your enviable precocious talents and how you have silently in a gnomish manner assisted me so far Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

Hello, Celestina007. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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You deleted my page Sam Zuga which was still being written. I was asked by Wikipedia to talk to you about this deletion because it said you are the deletion administrator.

Wikipedia's guidelines are are an encyclopedia in themselves. They are so lengthy and many times complex. I tried everything I can to go through them before attempting to write my article.

Again, I read that things done in the sandbox are still safe from deletion or any form of interference from Wikipedia since they have not been made public. I was also informed in one of your guidelines that so long as I keep making edits to my articles, they are safe from deletion, till I feel my article is ready to get published.

I'm still working on the article and I've not completed it, or submitted it for review, or published it. So I'm actually shocked why it should be deleted.

Hoping to hear from you soon. Charles

Charles Okorobo, First! I’m no administrator & if you were going to post the message here then sending me a private mail wasn’t necessary. The article was not in your sandbox don’t make untrue comments please. it was on Mainspace where I saw it on the new pages feed and requested a G11 speedy deletion for it because it was the most blatant promotional article I had ever seen in my three years of being an editor in this collaborative project. Furthermore if you are related to the subject of your article in any way it isn’t advisable to create an article for them because a WP:COI that would obstruct a WP:NPOV would be established. Celestina007 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Banbouk Music should not be deleted[edit]

It has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This should not be deleted. This is satisfying WP:GNG & WP:BIO @Celestina007: Sourav tiwary (talk) 11:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Sourav tiwary, what have I done to you? Why are you bombarding/spamming my talk page? Well in any case if or not that article would be deleted is not up to me but up to the community. See WP:GNG before creating articles in the future. Wikipedia is not a WP:PROMO site for people/persons who want more recognition for themselves/careers.Celestina007 (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Celestina007

Thank you for creating Frederick Leonard (Nigerian actor).

User:Lapablo, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Keep up the good work.

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Lapablo}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

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Lapablo (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Lapablo thank you so much. You give me strength to continue even when I’m tired. Keep up the good work also. Celestina007 (talk) 20:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

Miraclepine, Happy holidays to you too dear colleague. Celestina007 (talk) 04:03, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]

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Hi Celestina007,

Thanks for your all contributions and help to this wonderful encyclopaedia, have a great and enjoyable holiday!  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 12:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you too as well Versace 🎉🎉. Furthermore thank you for your guidiance so far since i began editing in 2016 up until now and also for your tireless contributions towards building a better encyclopedia. Cheers 🍾🍾Celestina007 (talk) 12:43, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!
⛄ 🎅 🎄

Hope you enjoy the Christmas eve with the ones you love and step into the new year with lots of happiness and good health. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year!CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:09, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

CAPTAIN_RAJU ahhhh! my captain 👨‍✈️ happy holidays to you too & a prosperous new year in advance. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi there and thanks for your email. I'm happy to provide feedback about your work around new page patrolling. I hope you'll understand and be OK with me replying here rather than via email. First you've been quite busy with deletion. Your speedy deletion looks good. Your AfDs probably look good too. However, I would say we're still a couple weeks short of the time I'd expect to see before someone reapplies (at minimum) and a lot of AfDs, especially ones you've nominated which count extra in my book, are still open. Your edit summaries are better though a whole string of "Article Creation" at Destiny_Etiko is still a little short of what I'd hope to see on the whole from our goal. However, that wouldn't really stop me from assigning the permission. In looking at your interactions with new editors I'm still concerned it's a bit on the gruff side. It's very important at NPP not to bite new editors. If you reapplied today I probably wouldn't assign just because it's a little too soon and I still have communication concerns. However that could all change in another 2 or 3 weeks as you've taken the feedback well and done some really good work. I hope that's helpful. Feel free to reply with any questions you might have. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Barkeep49 Oh my, thanks! I appreciate your feedback. This means a lot to me. There are no questions for now as everything you have said is very straight forward and quite easy to grasp, thanks once again.Celestina007 (talk) 09:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Request For Undeleting amin mahmoodi[edit]

Hi. Amin_Mahmoodi is an Iranian actor and assistant director. All of his information is in Persian and has been published on sites in Persian.

Mohammadcmpir please always sign after making a comment (for easy identification) the article hasn’t been deleted but it is currently in an AFD.Celestina007 (talk) 09:45, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Please don't delete Manjiri Yashwant page[edit]

Manjiri Yashwantis a popular marathi film actress. Marathi is one of the languages in India, most of the news articles covering her are in local languages that is marathi. She played a significant role in marathi movie Babo, which was one of the super hits in marathi speaking people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohishaw1999 (talkcontribs) 15:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Rohishaw1999 dear colleague I do not possess sovereign command over what gets deleted or what doesn’t get deleted only the community (our co-editors) can decide that at the AFD I opened pertaining to the subject of your article. See WP:GNG & WP:BASIC before creating any article(s) in the future. Celestina007 (talk) 16:16, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear editor, local newspapers don't have websites because they can't afford. The subject is a popular actress in marathi cinema. The language marathi is spoken by only in some parts of state Maharastra in India. Please suggest what I need to do. I want to save this article .As per citations are concerned , I can not provide as local newspapers don't have websites. Rohishaw1999 (talk) 06:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Rohishaw1999 you can also cite newspapers. Celestina007 (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Local newspapers don't own websites. Simply because they cannot afford. They are publishing only printed newspapers. How can such references be given on wiki? Rohishaw1999 (talk) 13:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Actress's IMDb entry has been added. Rohishaw1999 (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Page mover granted[edit]

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Draft Checking[edit]

Hello, please check draft of my page Draft:Abhishek Kumar Ambar. Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 09:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh i’d say per formatting & general spelling corrections I’ve done what I can, as I can’t sometimes understand what you may be trying to imply in some sentences in the article. Generally I’d advice you to submit it through an AFC and not move it to mainspace directly as the article is quite promotional and may qualify for a CSD under G11 (unambiguous promotional articles). I’ve tried to clean it up a bit by removing several peacock terms and sentences you used. Lastly, and unfortunately my understanding of the Hindi language is very poor infact non-existent so I cant make sense of the references provided & my google translator isn’t proving helpful today. Do what I’ve advised plus what Nnadigoodluck advised. Celestina007 (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. Last time I made this Article and I used the reliable links as a reference. But article was deleted.Refrences contains reliable material in hindi language but admin did not understand and tagged article in speedy deletation. My all hard work get in the dustbin.

Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh haha I haven’t had a good laugh on here in a while. Okay I’m not being insensitive but technically no one’s hard work in this community “gets in the dustbin” you can contact the administrator that deleted your page I’m too busy to actually check who, but contacting he/she is pivotal & your hard work(article) may be moved back to your draft but seeing as you have already created a new one under same title an AFC submission is my best advice for you. I can’t tell for sure if the name of your article has been “salted” If it has it means that title has been protected due to one or more editors creating the same article for a clearly non notable subject. Also generally it isn’t a good idea to create an article for your friend, colleague or even yourself and also if you are to receive a reward or have already received the reward financially(as per part payment) or otherwise in turn to create this article you’re advised to cease and desist from such. Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


Hi Celestina007. I'm just letting you know that I have declined the G4 deletion tag you placed on this article, because it is significantly different to the version that was previously deleted (you had no way of knowing this, and my removal of the tag does not indicate any disapproval or censure of your actions). If you still feel the page needs to be deleted, a new deletion discussion would be required; instructions on how to start one can be found at WP:AFDHOWTO. Yunshui  13:37, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Yunshui oh no no ! You are far too polite for stressing to explain your actions. Whenever I see a speedy G4 tag declined I know automatically/immediately that the article in question is significantly different from the original one which I am unable to view. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 13:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Bashir mehtaab[edit]

Hello, is Bashir Mehtaab fullfil the criteria of wikipedia. Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 06:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh I’ve gone through the page & i’m not sure I know what your relationship is with the editor or if you have any ill feelings with the editor or subject of his article as such I’d recuse myself from being used as a weapon. Although I should say that other editors have raised concerns that the creator of the page has an obvious WP:COI with several of his articles/subject of his articles. Now, from your own understanding of WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO & WP:POET do you think it fulfills the criteria? If your answer is no then feel free to nominate the article for deletion. To do some good work here it is important to make use of “Twinkle” which can be enabled in your own account. See WP:AFDHOWTO to guide you throughout the process. Furthermore if your thought process is if “Article A created by a different editor is on Wikipedia then certainly this Article B which I created on a related subject matter which is almost same as theirs should be on Wikipedia also” then that’s a faulty argument I can’t give a blanket statement on. Celestina007 (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


You should consider applying for New Page Patrol permissions. I think you'd be a great contributor to the process. Thanks for your hard work on WP. buidhe 03:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Buidhe haha thanks for the kind words. I would, in the not too distant future i’m proceeding with caution & abiding to the advice proffered to me by our senior colleague Barkeep49. Celestina007 (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Hi there Celestina007, I got your message about my article, and I wanted to say thank you for helping me out--I am very new to Wikipedia (this was my first article), so I don't really understand how any of this works yet. As such, this probably makes me sound like something of a greenhorn, but I just wanted to ask how to do citations properly here. I put my sources in MLA8 format in the Notes section, but I know that that's the wrong way to do it; how do I add the footnote citations? The internet is not giving me much in the way of explanations. Sorry to bother you, and thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virgilius158 (talkcontribs) 01:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Virgilius158 I deal with a whole lot of articles so please could you give me the name of the article in question here? Or a link to it? Celestina007 (talk) 01:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
It is titled ‘Parker E. Calkin.’ Thanks for your help. Virgilius158 (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Virgilius158 sorry I’m just getting back to you. Citing isn’t all that difficult. I think you should read WP:CITE it should guide you. If you’ve got any other questions I’m always here.Celestina007 (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: California New York Express Movers[edit]

Hello Celestina007, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on California New York Express Movers to a proposed deletion tag. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. ——SN54129 20:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 oh thanks. Looks just about right. Serial Number 54129 oh wait, sorry for the double ping but on second thought wouldn’t taking it to an AFD been a better alternative seeing as just any passer by & including the article creator as his/her prerogative could decide to remove the Prod tag? What are you thoughts on this? Oh well, if they do contest this as per due process I’d open an AFD for the page. Celestina007 (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm afraid it wasn't exclusively promotional and wouldn't need to be fundamentally rewritten for G11 to apply, it would be something like "California New York Express Movers is the best moving and storage company in the state, phone 0123456789", you know? but take it to AfD, I'll be the first to !vote it out. Sorry, it seems bureaucratic, but unless it's totally blatant spam, it's better to have more eyes on it. That way, you're covered too. ——SN54129 23:18, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Serial Number 54129 aha thank you for the explanation. You have explained to me in minutes what others found difficult to explain in a very straightforward & easy to grasp manner like you just did.Celestina007 (talk) 23:36, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Joseph Karr O’Connor[edit]

I'm not sure how to best communicate with you about this, but I wanted to reach out here to see what else you might need. Mgifford (talk) 14:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Mgifford As per what I said on my user-page this is the best way to communicate with me pertaining to issues such as this. Okay straight to business, On the aforementioned article I do not see WP:GNG satisfied.Celestina007 (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 If you weren't sure about the notoriety why didn't you just place a {.{notability}} tag on the article to alert other editors. Why jump right to delete it? My understanding is that deletion should happen only after "appropriate sources cannot be found after a good-faith search for them". The article has become much more robust. I don't expect you to know anything about the global web accessibility community, or for for that matter WordPress community. There is an effort to bring more people in the web accessibility community into Wikipedia. There is a movement by elder members of of the web accessibility community that are trying to address this. There are certainly lots of other wikipedia pages for people with far fewer references. I am worried that Joseph's page was flagged by you because I was sloppy in my initial creation of it. I do think that it can be improved considerably. I'm got a great writer. Maybe trying to tag it with {.{cleanup}} would help to attract better authors interested in doing this? There aren't that many people who have played a role in improving the accessibility for 30% of the web. That many aren't aware of, but it is a real significant contribution. EDIT: I obviously don't know how to add code without it effecting the page. Mgifford (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Mgifford could you at least read my text before commenting? I did not say I was unsure about their notability I am saying explicitly that the subject is not notable, can’t you tell the difference between the two comments? Furthermore in light of what Deb said. it is usually advisable not to edit articles were you may have a WP:COI & if you insist you must, it is good practice to declare publicly a COI. Seeing as you know way too much about subject of your article that sources provided don’t mention & lastly I’m concerned about this comment you made above which states & I quote verbatim; ”I don't expect you to know anything about the global web accessibility community” what are you trying to imply? Oh well, feel free not to respond, Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 01:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 - let me try to break this down. Lots has been said here. I am still having a lot of trouble with the norms in Wikipedia. Lots of stuff seems to be way more complicated.
1) Yes I did read your message before replying.
2) There is a lot more information for Joseph than many other folks on Wikipedia. He is clearly much more notable than many others on Wikipedia. Just based on number of external resources. I'm trying to see through your judgement. Your links are clearly not helping me.
3) I do not have a COI. I met him once (I think). He influenced me and many other people. We are part of the same social community, but it is a community that involves hundreds of people. He influenced me and I wanted to write the page for him as a contribution to his memory. I don't think that falls under the COI, but if it does half of Wikipedia would need to be removed.
4) Yes, that was a leap of faith. I have no idea how much knowledge you have of accessibility, web accessibility, wordpress or basically anything aside from Wikipedia policies. Perhaps I was incorrect here, but most people I've run into on wikipedia are not actively involved in these communities. I'm not involved in wordpress, but am actively involved in the web accessibility community and with many open source projects.
5) I do not feel that we are having a discussion here although I am trying. I feel like you are not actively open to discussing this, simply telling me that I am wrong without telling me why. I am trying to understand, but the links you are sending me are just too general and there is far too much there that can be interpreted many ways. Mgifford (talk) 01:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Mgifford aha! Per your own comments above in #3 which states & I quote verbatim “I do not have a COI. I met him once (I think). He influenced me and many other people. We are part of the same social community, but it is a community that involves hundreds of people. He influenced me and I wanted to write the page for him as a contribution to his memory. I don't think that falls under the COI, but if it does half of Wikipedia would need to be removed.” you just affirmed you indeed have a COI & did not properly declare it, that aside, if Wikipedia policies are too cumbersome for you to grasp at this time you may “calm down” for now & familiarize yourself with the following:WP:5P,WP:GNG, WP:NPOV, WP:V & also; WP:NOTHERE, WP:UPE, WP:ADVERT as you may need to understand those as well. Please don’t rush to respond for the sake of it, do read the listed policies.Celestina007 (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 - In reading "What is conflict of interest?" there is no situation described that is even close to what I described. It's a matter of judgement - "How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense". I am sorry if I mistakenly made it appear like there was a "apparent COI" in this issue. I generally write about people informally. Mgifford (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Mgifford, Okay. Goodluck in all your future endeavors.Celestina007 (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


Hello Celestine007, I published an article titled Muslim News Nigeria and I was notified that it's highly promotional. I started working on that part and the next notification I got was that you've deleted it. Please kindly help undo the delete so that I can work on it again. Below are some reference you might want to see. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|Sunkanmi12 (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)]] comment added by Sunkanmi12 (talkcontribs) 12:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sunkanmi12, I am going ahead to send you a welcome message with relevant policies and guidelines you may need to study before creating any other articles in the future.Celestina007 (talk) 12:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
This article has been blacklisted and I can't create any other article with that title Sunkanmi12 (talk) 13:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello once again Sunkanmi12, I don’t know if or not it has been protected/salted & not “blacklisted” but if it has been protected, it’s probably for a good reason too! The most common & obvious reason being that it is an article that has been created & deleted more than once & is still being created over & again after repeated deletions. Oh & for the sake of clarity, I did not delete your article. Only sysops can perform such actions.Celestina007 (talk) 13:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Comments at NPP[edit]

Hi Celestina - I'll get back to your NPP School page soon. It's great that you look at people at the NPP Perm. However, unless you have a comment about an editor that is not likely to come up by the reviewing sysop's look into the user it would be best not to comment/ask questions. PERM is designed not to be a big discussion place. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Barkeep49 Noted! I gladly await you at the academy.Celestina007 (talk) 17:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Olga Kozakova and Olga Kazakova[edit]

Hello colleague. You have two Olga Kazakova --Dgeise (talk) 20:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Dgeise you don’t have two, Olga Kazakova & Olga Kozakova aren’t the same spelling. Although confusing, they aren’t the same spelling now are they? If you have further questions I’d be more than willing to answer.Celestina007 (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
These are different people. But their names in one letter are similar. If you think so correctly, I do not mind. -Dgeise (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Dgeise if you have for example an already existing article titled David James (lets say hypothetically speaking he is an American wrestler) & you intend to create another David James (perharps let’s say this one is an English occultist) since David James already exits as an American wrestler, when creating another David James, who is an English occultist you then differentiate by titling this one David James (English occultist) but lets say hypothetically speaking that this fictional David James who is an English occultist has his name spelled as David Jams of which Wikipedia has no article which such title, saying David Jams (English occultist) is not necessary. You can use the “About” function in the article (which I’d go ahead to do for you sometime in the future) But if this is too ambiguous for you to comprehend let me know so I’d re-explain.Celestina007 (talk) 21:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 Done Dgeise Check out both articles now.Celestina007 (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

F5pillar revert[edit]

The revert isn't any problem to me, but I want to let you understand that Summy Smart that request for it deletion, it shouldn't be done that way, Reasons are:

  • You can(ref improve it)
  • you can (draft it).

That would be OK. Sorry if you're thinking I'm against your discission or suggestion for the Deletion, and for the Wiki policies, I have already and known that, Thanks. (F5pillar (talk) 14:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC))

F5pillar, LoL what in the name of sweet Jesus Christ are you on about? The said article has long been deleted & you editing an already concluded AFD is very disruptive. So I ask again what are you really on about?Celestina007 (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
OK fine, that's what I suggested you could have done since beginning, but since the deletion request have already been done, who am I to question what you decided in that Summy Smart. Anyway, the has already been deleted there's no need of discussion about the the page. (F5pillar (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC))
Hello F5pillar, This comment you made above really disturbs me “who am I to question what you decided”, there isn’t any sovereign custodian of knowledge or any sovereign grand master here as this is a collaborative project & in this community you have every right to query certain actions & voice your own opinions. Commenting in a closed AFD is not proper & it is not a norm in this community. Having said that, in the future feel free to ask me any questions if you are trying to perform an action you are unsure if or not may alter the conventional current flow of this collaborative project even in the slightest manner & I’d be more than willing to assist.Celestina007 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
OK, sorry if its disturb you, is just that you've been in this Organization before me so you're just like master to me. Thats why I said that. And I did not quickly notice that theAFD is closed. (F5pillar (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
F5pillar I’m not a master to you & no one in this community including administrators is a master to anyone & in this collaborative project we all fellow colleagues and are all equal.Celestina007 (talk) 19:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
You're to me bcuz the way you interact. (F5pillar (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: deletion nomination for Razak Lawal and moving to draftspace of Alfred Akawe Tokula[edit]

Thank you for your work on Wikipedia. I recently created the article Razak Lawal, solving all the issues it was said to be having when I created it previously, but was speedily deleted. However, you have recently nominated it for deletion with the WP:GNG tag. I have read the general notability guidelines again and Razak Lawal seems to me to pass the test as a young Nigerian businessman. The sources I used for the article were from highly respected publications in Nigeria like The Sun (Nigeria), Punch Nigeria, Vanguard (Nigeria), New Telegraph and Encomium Magazine; and they covered the topic directly and in detail. You may have mistakenly nominated it for deletion. Please find time to review the sources again for your kind reconsideration and help, in improving it. I would also like to know if it is appropriate for me as the creator of the page to post a comment on the deletion page or add more sources to the article. You also moved Alfred Akawe Tokula to draftspace for a similar reason and needing more citations. However, I created the article as a stub to improve the article for the Tor Tiv stool of the Tiv people which are notable in Nigeria. How many more sources may I need to add before submitting it for review? I would have messaged you privately here, but I don't know how that is done. I will need your guidance and assistance here as I intend to spend more time on Wikipedia this year; writing as many new articles as time will permit me. Please oblige me. Thank you. Bemmax (talk) 16:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to write this on my talkpage. I think that is more appropriate. I will post it there. Thank you. Bemmax (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Bemmax Are you trolling me or something? the article in question was speedy deleted because it was a blatant promotional one & now you have re-created the same article faster than Flash would have & still didn’t do it properly by addressing why it was speedy deleted. Now asides the Promotional tone of the article, none of the sources you provided really discussed subject of our discussion, let alone with in-depth significant coverage as required in WP:GNG. Rather they mention his messy break up with his wife. It seems like the RS that mentions our subject of discussion in passing only do so in regards to his wife and their divorce as she is arguably a notable Nigerian actress which renders the RS useless, trivial & non imperative in this regard. As for Alfred Akawe Tokula I moved it to your draftspace because in this article I see potential notability & moved it so you could add at least 3 solid RS before you submit via AFC or move it straight to Mainspace yourself, whichever one you prefer. This potential notability is not observed in the Razak Lawal article hence I had to carry out my duty by taking it to an AFD. Please Review WP:GNG before creating articles in the future. I’m available to answer any further questions from you. Celestina007 (talk) 15:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Keep Adedayo Ojo[edit]

Thanks for your diligence on this platform. You're truly a great editor and motivation to me as will learn from your editing skills. However, kindly keep the page as is being worked on to address all the issues raised. Once again thanks for the work that you do here. Gideens (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Akgideens No need to worry. It appeared as though it could have been CSD’ed under G4 but an administrator has confirmed it is significantly different from the original one. So for now it is safe but generally I can see another editor has placed a notability tag on it so perharps it may be taken to an AFD where it’s fate shall be decided but no I won’t be the one to AFD it but in the mean time you could try & include pivotal RS that shows true evidence of your article’s subject being notable. Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Hi dear Celestina,

Thank you for having interest in my article for Godspower Oparaugo. I do hope that your professionalism will graciously refine my article.

Authoritty (talk) 21:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Authoritty, I appreciate the kind gesture, I really do, but I’d be lying to you if I told you that article is a decent one because in actuality it just isn’t & invariably as with most promo articles, the subject of such articles aren’t usually notable & do not scale general notability guidelines so my advice to you is to find reliable sources (which from my own research do not exist) & include in the article. If there are certain guidelines/policies you want to study but do not know where or how to look for them do ensure to let me know & i’d be more than willing to point you to the appropriate direction.Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)