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A couple of things

First, I am not sure if I thanked you for putting up a redirect from my IP addy to my current user name. So I will thank you now. (Even though that happened quite a while ago)

Second, you may want to archive this talk page, for it is getting huge.

--Admiral Roo 13:07, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

"The Wiki Way" and similar proposals

I just wanted to compliment you on keeping an eye on this topic, while at the same time keeping your cool. My feeling is that Xiong is looking to engender heated responses, and it is a benefit to us all for him not simply to be rebuffed (when he's wrong and is seeking confrontation, rather than consensus), but for him to be rebuffed calmly, in the spirit of consensus, and without aggression. Thanks again. Nandesuka 12:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The Wiki Way is not a proposal, and nothing is similar to it. — Xiongtalk* 06:25, 2005 September 12 (UTC)


Hi Cesar, I saw you'd deleted the above user page again, which I recently restored. Can you say what your reason was for deleting the page even though the user account is in use? I'm a little suspicious of the account because of previous allegations of sockpuppetry, as well as some strange editing, and if the user is requesting deletion of the user page, yet continues to edit, my suspicions increase. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:06, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Page Protection Request

Posted here because it was DELETED from the Page Protection page. You won't even listen to my case, will you?

Would you PLEASE either protect or remove your entry on Ashida Kim so that internet trolls cannot keep going there to post the names of my friends so they can be attacked like abortion clinic doctors, several of whom were KILLED after their names were posted on the internet. I have asked nicely as many times as I can of as many administraptrs as I can contact, but no one ever does anything except ignore me and delete my posts because you love to use my fame to draw people to your silly site. How would you like it if I posted your address so punks could come take a poke at you? Isn't that why YOU hide behind all this proceure that makes it impossible to contact anyone and impossible to get any reply from so called administrators like yourself?

Ashida Kim

Ashida, the article as it stands now seems fair. I have looked through the history of your page and while there has been some vandalism, it's not been enough to warrant a page protection. Vandalism has been reverted five times in the past two months. You can deal with that level of vandalism yourself. It's unfortunate that someone would want to vandalize your page -- or any page for that matter -- but the amount of vandalism currently occurring is not enough to justify protecting the page, which is an extreme measure taken only to prevent very frequent and extensively disruptive vandalism or edit warring. · Katefan0(scribble) 21:51, 15 September 2005 (UTC) [edit] No Help At All Kate, what you are telling me is that I must now come here and monitor this entry every day to see if it is being vandalized. And if it is I must go through this same silly procedure to get it back to what it is now. A tremendous waste of time which serves the purpose of the trolls perfectly. You say I can deal with the vandalism myself? Not so. I am not an administrator. I had an account with you last time this happened, but you closed it down. To me you are just passing the buck and ducking the issue AGAIN! When you let these trolls publish the names of my friends, their lives are placed in danger. In my first post on this issue I quoted you a line where they bragged about videotaping some of my friends at their homes. That is STALKING! I don't know why you don't think that rises to the level of warranting you to click one icon and save a human life instead of clinging to some ridiculous procedure where a page must be vandalized a thousand times in a single week before you will do anything. Next, I can't for the life of me understand why you won't discuss this privately instead of making me repeat it all in public a hundred times. More silly procedure. Your rationale for not protecting this page, and the page itself with the names on it, have all been shown to the local authorities who assure me that if any of my friends have to set the dogs on any of the punks who creep up on them, that you can be held criminally liable for publishing the addresses. Seems to me any sane person would want to protect themselves from such an embarassment, and possible even prevent it with a single click of the mouse. Rather than continue to act like a lame lawyer who thinks the splitting hairs means anything to criminals. I deeply resent having to come here and embarrass you again and again. That alone should show you the wisdom of just doing the right thing. There can be only one reason why you refuse to make this simple accomodation- BECAUSE USING MY NAME BRINGS PEOPLE TO YOUR SITE, even if it puts me and my friends in jeopardy. That's is pretty sad, Kate. There is no reason that anyone else would keep up a webpage that the subject of has repeated asked be taken down. And, as I have shown with good reason. If one of my friends gets killed in his sleep by some pumped-up, steroid-raging UFC wannabee, worse yet, if one of my friends has to kill one of these punks, I hope you can live with yourself.

Ashida Kim

I'm sorry, but I cannot protect a page unless I'm following the Protection policy, and I cannot delete a page unless I'm following the Deletion policy. If I were to protect or delete the article without a valid reason based on these policies, it would quickly be reverted by other administrators, who can not only unprotect an article, but also undelete it. If, however, there is personal information on the article's history, the specific revisions with the offending information can sometimes be removed from the page history (you would need to tell an administrator which specific revisions need to be removed; you can do so by copying the links to the revisions from the page history). --cesarb 00:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
As an aside: I checked your account on the block log, where it would show if it had been blocked; it's never been blocked. You probably got hit by a block intended to someone else (it happens quite often to AOL users, for technical reasons). If you are able to post here, you probably can use your account. --cesarb 00:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)



Thanks for supporting my RfA. I'll work hard to try to live up to the confidence you're showing in me. It's easy to treat Wikipedia as a game or a soapbox, but I don't treat it as either. One of the things I respect about you is that when I read your writing, it's clear that you don't think of it that way either. I'll continue down that path. Nandesuka 01:02, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


Hi Cesar. Thank you for cleaning up my admin vote page. One remark. Your edit removed one of the support votes, see here. If it were a oppose vote I would not mind, but since it is support, would you mind putting that back? :) Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 03:43, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

McDonald's article

Hi, Would you mind taking a look at McDonald's? For some reason, I can't revert the vandalism on that page. It works fine on preview, but after saving, it's back to what it was (a text saying: YO GUYS BRING BACK THE MCRIB PLZ!!!). Or am I completely missing something? --JoanneB 16:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I feel pretty stupid now, I thought I did clear my cache! Thanks for the other hint, until now the error messages always occured when it hadn't gone through yet. Guess I shouldn't count on that, I'll keep it in mind! Anyway, thanks for your time! --JoanneB 16:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

What is the meaning of this.

Why did you post this diff. [1] 00:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Recent vandalwhacking

Thanks a bunch for your help in blocking the user who's chasing me around through open proxies.—chris.lawson (talk) 02:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Bd777 block lifted, and personal attacks resume

Just thought you'd like to know that BD is responding to the lifting of his temp block with renewed personal attacks [2]:

"Well, I have no desire to brawl with anybody but Ryan's actions are so despicable I just don't want her anywhere near my talk page. She bully's people into accepting her twisted look at the world and when she runs into someone who's stronger (like me), she just tries to game the system to have them removed. I hope she doesn't think people are unaware of EXACTLY how she operates and that it's doomed for failuure.. Her ways are transparently obvious to intelligent people and spelled out in explicit fashion in my post below. In the end, people like that ultimately self-destruct because their motives are so fraught with hostility for others. And even for someone who's actions are as deplorable as Ryan''s kind of sad, isn't it?" Big Daddy 04:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
"But I forgive you man. You're an honest and decent person who, like me, only wants to remove the endemic POV from Wikipedia. But seriously equivocating someone who behaves as contemptably as Ryan with me??? That makes that vicious slime attack that guterrda spewed when he suggested the '777' in my name stood for white power, seem charitable by comparison." Big Daddy 13:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
"Ps On the bright side, Ryan's behavior makes Katefan and Hippocrite that bad. lol! :)" Big Daddy 04:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Cheers. -- RyanFreisling @ 04:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Yom Kippur

I would just like to say thanks for telling me the correct way of spelling it. I thought it was odd that a Jewish holiday was not on Wikipedia so I started one with the wrong name. Anyway, thanks. -Mrdie

  • I still think it's odd that this troll is still allowed to edit, where as, thanks to my benign/non-racist page creations, I am blocked-- 03:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm a proteolytic enzyme-- 04:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Annoying block...

Hey, on User:Grutness's talk page you posted the following comment:

I made a (completely untested) patch to MediaWiki [1] which adds the flag I described above. If you manage to convince the developers to include this patch or something similar, and convince a bureaucrat to add the flag to your account, your problems with being blocked when your IP address is blocked should end. --cesarb 03:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

When I'm at home, I have the same IP address as Grutness, so could you do the same thing for me?

Super Saiyan Plough 04:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


That might just do the trick. For me, for Supersaiyanplough - and also User:BL Lacertae, who seems to also be at the same IP address. There's discussion about this subject going on at Wikipedia:Blocking policy proposal - I'll mention it over there (feel free to add your comments!). Grutness...wha? 04:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


CesarB, thanks for removing EcoRV's vandalism from MarkBrooks. Can you let me know what the deleted text was? No big deal, I'm just curious. I have now added MarkBrooks to my watchlist. BTW, can I have changes on my watchlist emailed to me? I'm still getting the hang of things, as you can probably tell. I've been a fan and user of WP for some time, and am now starting to see that there's a lot going on "under the hood". -- MarkBrooks 04:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

More thanks

... for cleaning up my talk page. My plan is to ignore the heck out of him. :) FreplySpang (talk) 02:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

My bad

I confused the sections. Agriculture 14:08, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

AfD: Part Deux

Do you know where I can find the instructions for setting up a 2nd AfD on an article that has already been through one? I think you told me once before, but I neglected to note it down anywhere. Joyous (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

  • You rock. Thanks very much. Joyous (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi i'd like to invite you to become a player in the online historical role playing game that i belong to - - we've been running it for a while and we could use a player from Brazil. PMA 13:15, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Chris10.jpg - Image to be deleted

Hi. I uploaded an image for an article I wrote. But the image is not of sufficient quality, so I am not going to use it. I flagged it for deletion. Would you be so kind as to delete it ? It's

It is now an orphan. Thanks very much in advance ! -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Urgent vandal help needed

Diacrit (talkcontribspage movesblock userblock log) (blocked) - persistent user who creates numerous user names to remove Template:Foreignchar from various articles. Created user names include: User:Jeaijij, User:Agraman, User:Oagafauou, User:Qesecaue, User:Uefot, User:Huaelo, User:Bifo, User:Timoa, User:Feoouubiao, User:Eooaqinol, User:Xeuuces, and that's only ones I have caught on recent changes page. Most of them have only 1 edit. And list is growing every second! just look at new user log. Renata3 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I did on Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard (that's my first ime with such a persistant vandal). I have to go and cannot follow up this this matter. Please help :) Renata3 22:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

RFAr date

Oops. Thanks! Radiant_>|< 01:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Page protection of Wikipedia:Copyrights

Hi. I notice that you were the last person to edit Wikipedia:Copyrights before it was protected. Any idea who protected it or why? How to get it unprotected? I ask because I am the second person to ask (on the Talk page) for a link from Wikipedia:Copyrights to Wikipedia:Fair use. The first was back in mid-September, mine yesterday. There has been no response to either. Where does one take a question like this? Why doesn't the Talk page cover the decision to protect the page? Why doesn't the edit history even show the protection going on (and who did it)?

Sorry to lay all this in your lap. I'd be happy to take it elsewhere if I could figure out where to go with it.

TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 02:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You are mistaken. I was not the last person to edit Wikipedia:Copyrights before it was protected.
I was the last person to edit Wikipedia:Copyrights after it was protected.
That page has been protected for so long it doesn't even show in the current protection log (which AFAIK was introduced around 2004). Of course, if you want the rationale for the protection, it is, as expected, at Wikipedia:Protected page (listed as permanently protected for legal reasons).
If you need to change a permanently protected page like that one, the best course of action would be to contact an administrator (or post to the noticeboard). Which is exactly what you did without noticing . I added the link to the "See also" section; I'm wary of touching the text itself.
--cesarb 03:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I did know you were an admin, I just wasn't sure if editing protected pages was among an admin's superpowers. And I was completely unaware of the existance of the Wikipedia:Protected page page. BTW, the edit history on the Protected page page goes back to 2003, and WP:Copyrights is there from before that.
Anyway, thank you for adding the link, and for the answer, above. I think, though, that the link belongs at the end of the first sentence in the Fair use materials and special requirements section, in parens "(See Wikipedia:Fair use)". Any advice on how to go about getting it there, other than the obvious Wikipedia talk:Copyrights page? I'd put a request there, but I'm not too optimistic. Is there a cabal ;-, at least for legal issues, that one can turn to?
One other question along these lines-- I can't be the only editor to hit a protected page and wonder what's going on, and what to do about it. Perhaps a template is needed for the top of protected pages, pointing to the list?
Many thanks, Mwanner | Talk 13:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


I did a little bit of investigation at, more specifically I also usually check RBLs at [3]. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 03:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


The sandbox, which you recently protected, is a place for new users to test their editing skills, something that is rather hard to do when they are prevented from editing the page. Not being an administrater myself, I cannot remove the block, but it is imperitive that you or another administrator do so soon. Thank you for your contrabutions as an administrator.--Akako| 01:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I didn't protect the sandbox, check the logs. I just noticed it was protected and added the tag. --cesarb 14:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Just wondering something

why did you protect the sanbox (I think you did it...)? --Adam1213 Talk+ 06:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Check the logs. Someone else did, I only added the tag. --cesarb 14:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


I am trying to figure out the status of the above RfC. Does your certification of the dispute still stand? The RfC was "re-listed", but as having only one certifier. I am interested in this because of a number of reversions at Fascism by User:Hogeye over the last few days. Jkelly 22:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


Several pages, due to signature errors (like <sup>) are diplaced in tiny font, check out Neuro-Linguistic Programming's talk page...hehe. Are these related to HMTL Tidy?Voice of All T|@|Esperanza 22:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh the horror..:-). So does that mean something is wrong with my sig that the server does not autocorrect anymore?Voice of All T|@|Esperanza 22:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

HTML tidy

I've duplicated your warning on ANI to the helpdesk and village pump. FYI. Radiant_>|< 23:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

  • If I've turned off formatting in my signature, then why does it look like this now?--[[User:Hello fromSPACE|'''<font color=blue>Hello</font>'''<small>''''from'''</small><sup>''''<small>SPACE</small>'''</sup><font color=green><sup><span style="background-color: black"><span><sup>]] 01:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Factual accuracy indeed!

Hmm, isn't wikipedia policy is supposed to be descriptive. So if a policy page were to say that all wikipedians dance the hula every night at 10:35pm hawaiian time, it might certainly merit a "disputed" tag. :-P

In this case the policy says that IAR may only be applied to structure of articles, and I'm pretty positive that that's not the case.

Kim Bruning 22:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

My Sig

My signature does not work if I use ANY color tags, even with no text other than VoA. Whay gives?Voice of All(MTG) 22:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I already use quotes now, and it still doesn't work.Voice of All(MTG) 23:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Nevermind I see where I missed it, it WORKS NOW :-)!!!Thanx.'Voice of AllT|@|ESP 23:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Also note that:
'''[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font><font color="black">All]]'''
makes "voice" blue, whereas
'''<font color="blue">[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font><font color="black">All]]''' does not. So it is good to keep the font commands in the link sometimes.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 23:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


hi, sorry for interruption, could you please see to the NPOV of exclusion of Brazil from this article. It was there until a month ago, and some guys keep excluding South America and Brazil from what I believe is its just place (and I am not alone, since these previous edits were there long before, to include Brazil). thanks Perroot 21:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

re PMA

Thanks. I'll add "by request" at WP:LA. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind (you already did, but still thanks). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


...por apagar o vandalismo em minha página do usuário. Talvez, eu posso falar com você ao logo, ainda tenho que melhorar minha escritura e compreensão. Espero que não haja erros aqui! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 20:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

cfd technique

I have been just doing a {{db}} for speedies on categories that are a typo or where is it obviously a naming variation on an existing cat. I may have done some cfd's a month or two ago w/o updating the log, but I got a friendly reminder to do that. Most of my category templating has been driven by Special:Uncategorizedcategories. (This list was almost 1000, but now it is holding steady at about 150 with weekly maintenance). If the cat is not empty, I usually try to find them a parent category, even if they overlap with existing ones, or determine them to be orphans and mark them with db. My recollection is that the only true cfd's I have recently done are about controverial/banned mass media. I am still learning, so maybe I did mess up again. -- Fplay 00:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing that / vs \ mixup on my Sandbox2. I saw it and was pondering whether it was worse to leave it that way or move it and hassle someone to delete the original. --CBD 20:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

I am having trouble telling who it was who did the rewrite of the RFC on Kelly Martin on Deleting stuff without consensus. Whoever did it, and it may have been a team effort, they deserve a Superhero Editor Barnstar for translating the anger and frustration into the different cogent view points. But perhaps after userboxes and templates are resolved, barnstars could also become a controversy, unless I am misunderstanding some of the nuances. User:AlMac|(talk) 18:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

stupid sort

It's up for a formal deletion. Pfalstad 17:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Oldvfd

Template:Oldvfd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Oldvfd. Thank you. —Phil | Talk 19:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Diff width fixer

Per Omegatron's suggestion, I thought I'd let you know that I've written an improved version of your JS diff width fixer at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Fix diff width. I'd very much like to thank you for the inspiration for this handy little script. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Notice that I deleted the two lines of IE CSS kludge when putting it on my monobook.js; they were only adding noise to the Javascript console.

That's funny, I don't see any output in my JS console. Could you paste an example of what you see so I could try to fix it? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


You commented on Kelly Martin's second RfC. it is up for archival. you may vote at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Kelly_Martin#Archiving_this_RfC. CastAStone|(talk) 04:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat

You dare to edit my USERPAGE? For that you must be punished! --Cool CatTalk|@ 16:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar may be awarded to those that show a pattern of going the extra mile to be nice, without being asked.

Thank you! For the minor fix on my userpage, I hope this encourages you for more such fine work. --Cool CatTalk|@ 16:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


It is common to delete talk pages when articles are deleted. This makes sense, since the purpose of a talk page is to discuss improvements to an article. If there is no article, there is nothing to discuss. To keep the talk page active is only to circumvent the deletion. Slrubenstein | Talk 18:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Can the article title be disabled on a particular page?

(copied from the village pump:)

Hi. I'm on the Main Page Redesign team. I'm looking into possibly turning off the title (H1 heading?) at the top of the page we are working on. We need to see what the Main Page Redesign Draft would look like without the page name showing up on the screen. What is the link to the the documentation on this? --Go for it! 20:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You already have the answer: the same way you turned off the #siteSub, with a hack on MediaWiki:Monobook.js. There is no documentation, of course, since it's a hack. --cesarb 21:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. Unfortunately, I can't make heads or tails of the code on monobook.js. Do you know precisely what code would need to be pasted in? If so, it would sure help our project along. I appreciate your help so far, it puts us one step closer... --Go for it! 23:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. Ask any administrator when you want it undone. --cesarb 03:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to have worked, as the page title still shows up at the top of the page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft. Please take a look. --Go for it! 04:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

There are problems at MediaWiki:Monobook.js

The user User:Brian0918 has removed big chunks of the file, including the section for the Main Page Redesign / Usability Project.

He even remarked in one of his summaries that he doesn't know javascript.

That change you made for the Main Page Redesign Draft page has disappeared. Would you please take a look at MediaWiki:Monobook.js and restore our project's code? I'd really appreciate it.

Sincerely, --Go for it! 19:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I contacted Brian, and he put the code back (though I didn't actually look, but the draft page is working like it did). Still, you may want to talk to him to see if you can help him accomplish what he was trying to do (make monobook.js more download efficient by having pieces of it execute from other files). --Go for it! 20:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Omega block

Thanks! I was considering doing that myself, but I am sometimes stretched for time. I'll do my best to extend it in any way I can. Thanks again for your kind comments and help! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 02:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Update: I've moved this page to Block (meteorology) to expand the scope of the article. Thanks for getting the wheels rolling on this project. On a completely unrelated side note, I see that you were the initial author of Wikipedia:How to fix your signature; this helped me quite a bit a couple months ago, and would like to thank you for it! :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

A couple of things

Why did you delete the External Link to


A couple of things II

Once again, I do not think that the website is spam. If rio online is spam www.rioforpartiers, vivabrasil, hy brazil and all pages conataining travel related content and furthermore - sites in Portuguese only are spam and/or not in the right menu. So please keep your hands off from this link! Everybody has the same rights!!! I therefore decided to place the link again on the site "Brazil" at the end. I will not place any other link. If you delete the link again, I will delete all other links containing affiliate marketing tools (including Google adwards) and we will discuss the topic in another forum. Please consider also, how many offices, restaurants, clubs etc. Are recommended in the city and will be affected in a negative way.

Have a nice day Regards, Carsten



I know you did this back in October, but I just want to thank you for finding the list of odd numbers as well as the VfD page for the list on the talk page of Lame Edit Wars. It has been cracking me all afternoon. Hdstubbs 23:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Jyllands Posten archival

When you archive this, can you PLEASE leave the image keep vote? It's our ammunition against deletion of the photo, shows there is consensus to keep it. Swatjester 15:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting those revisions from my user page. Could I ask you to do the same for my talk page too? Qutezuce 20:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again! Qutezuce 21:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


Hello, Cesar. Can you please discuss your objection to Template:Test1 using options here Template talk:Test1 or here Template talk:Test#New_Text_combining_test_and_test-n. Thank you. -- Avi 17:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. The multitude of test templates need to be pruned down. What do you suggest then? Also, I would like to poll for more of a consensus on using {{qif}} on talk pages. Personally, I got that from the {{Template:welcome3}} template; which I use regulalry with subst: I presume you fell strongly against that as well? -- Avi 17:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Test2b

Template:Test2b has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Test2b. Thank you. -- Avi 14:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

See this

I'm a brazilian also and I think is good you lookup this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 15:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I already knew about that, see my reaction at [4]. --cesarb 15:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Kikuko Inoue

Editing a page while it has been tagged {{inuse}} is not considered vandalism. --cesarb 01:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

No, but this was an anon user who may have downgradded the article by including a lie (that she had one daughter not two). That was the main problem. And i thought it was good faith to revert that for the sake of the major refit of the article.

Sorry about this. -Dynamo_ace

Semi-automated template substitution

Semi Update

Hi, what it's susposed to do is to give me a list of all pages with a template without the subst: tag and add the subst, not sure whats happened in your case, i'm trying to figure it out. Thanks for noticing so fast! Tawker 17:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Page name for temperature articles

To avoid flip-flopping between 'degree Fahrenheit' and 'Fahrenheit' or 'degree Celsius' and 'Celsius', I propose that we have a discussion on which we want. I see you have contributed on units of measurement, please express your opinion at Talk:Units of measurement. Thanks. bobblewik 23:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

{{deletedpage}} and templates

Howdy. Wouldn't it be best to simply leave protected-against-recreation templates blank, so that the {{deletedpage}} notice doesn't get transcluded whereever the template is used? I thought this was the general practice, but I'm probably wrong. android79 17:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

how about simply using <noinclude>{{deletedpage}}</noinclude>? Plugwash 02:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I already said that on his user talk page (yeah, I know, split discussion). --cesarb 02:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your response to the proposal that I submitted to the Village Pump yesterday on how to attract older, experienced conributers. I really appreciated your remarks. mbeychok 19:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

brazzilian telephone numbering plan

i see you rewrote the split out article. could you also (if you've not already done so) take a look through my sumarising of the brazil section in the telephone numbering plan article to check i haven't introduced any errors. Plugwash 02:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

You didn't introduce any new errors (but there are still some unsourced statements there, which I do not know if are errors or not, and I didn't check the numbers). However, that section could use a rewrite (like the original it spawned from). --cesarb 02:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for removing the changes to MediaWiki:Talkpagetext. This may be useful, but I agree needs discussion. xaosflux Talk/CVU 00:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Block request

Hi. Could you please block User: who is a regular vandal and who is continuing to vandalise Smallpox after a final warning. I posted on AIAV a while ago but there seems to be a backlog there. Cheers TigerShark 14:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

brain picking

Hi Cesar,

What's up? I'm hoping to pick that remarkably tech-savvy brain of yours over a couple of issues. :-) I would like to remove all the special characters that precede the ndash and mdash in the javascript insert box. I never use those alphabets. Then, if possible, I'd like to add the tags <ref name=> and </ref> to the box; they're two of the three tags in use in the new cite.php referencing system.

  1. Is this possible?
  2. Will it slow down my load times of the edit view? How does that work, BTW—will the whole thing be loaded, and then some things hidden?
  3. On a related issue, I recently edited my .css file to remove the display of the Wikipedia logo in the top left, in the belief that this will speed up page loading for me —but now I'm wondering if I haven't made matters worse. Have I?

Warm wishes ENCEPHALON 16:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks CesarB. I think I'm going to pass on this idea: I don't want WP slowing down anymore than it already has for me (lately). And the flicker issue doesn't sound appealing. Besides, I've just figured out a brilliant way (for a dim low tech chap like myself ;-)) of producing a one click method of placing <ref name=>example reference</ref>, into the box when editing. The latest version of the WP Firefox toolbar allows you to specify a format feature. So if you type <ref name=>SELECTION</ref> under format property you can get your own refname "button". It's especially neat because if you highlight the text of the ref, for example CesarB. Editing Wikipedia. Journal of Wikiness, with a single click you can produce <ref name=>CesarB. Editing Wikipedia. Journal of Wikiness</ref>. I'm so pleased with me. ;-) And God bless Bananaweizen & Tom Koch. ENCEPHALON 17:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


This is unhelpful. The current "Scratchpad" design is terrible, but I just wanted to get things started. I see a lot of value in creating an unobtrusive reminder for people when the edit talk pages (sign your posts, be nice, etc. ). -- Netoholic @ 18:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Anon vandal

I disagree with your decision not to block this vandal IP, or even warn the user(s) about their vandalism. "Silly vandalism", as you described it, is still harmful to the project, and that IP is a longtime offender with almost no history of constructive edits. The fewer broken windows on the site, the better things will be for constructive editors. -Colin Kimbrell 22:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The user came back earlier today and vandalized China again.[5] -Colin Kimbrell 17:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The template

Are you the one who deleted it? In any case, I said that because the person who nominated it for deletion didn't bother to list it at WP:TFD, only tag it. Thats what I essentially wanted to say. Moe ε 02:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the link to where I can look up deletions, I forgot it for a minute. ;-) Moe ε 02:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation Requested

According to my history page, you deleted by User Page. User:J1838

I wonder if I might ask you some questions about this.

  • First, could you confirm that you did delete my user page. There dosn't seem to be any way for me to distinguish between an administrator doing it and a vandal doing it.
  • Second, is it normal to delete user pages without leaving any explanation. It seems a bit of an odd practice. Did I miss something ?
  • Third, I can't work out why you might have deleted it. As far as I am aware it did not breach any guidline. Please advise.
  • Fourth, I'm keen to contest your action within the rules. Again, please advise what I should do.

Many thanks, J1838 19:17, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

My sig

Thank you very much. —WAvegetarianCONTRIBUTIONSTALK EMAIL 05:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


I have some questions about you deleting my user page. Not sure whether to do it here or on my discussion page. Have put them on my discussion page for the moment, so, please see User talk:J1838. Many thanks J1838 20:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Workshop

I have just done a massive refactoring of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Workshop, in order to

  • remove personal attacks, irrelevant comments, and bickering
  • make the page readable and usable for the arbcom, as at its previous size of 183KB, it was not.

As your words appear on that page, I'm letting you know so that you may review the changes. I have tried not to let any bias or POV I may have color my summaries; however, it's a wiki, so if you think I've misrepresented your words, please fix them. Wearily yours, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 08:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

re: User:J1838

Good evening. This user has requested the undeletion of his/her user page on WP:DRV. I would be interested in your understanding of this question. I would also like to know why you felt it necessary to protect the page as a deleted page. That's a step generally reserved for cases of egregious and repeated re-creation. The edit history doesn't seem to show that abusive a pattern of recreation. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 05:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Character encoding

Cesar, Many thanks for your response on the problems of Czech (and other characters). It's the first reply that makes sense! I will try what you've suggested, though the problem must be huge. I have discovered a work round that helps me (but nobody else), which is to paste the appropriate words into a Microsoft Word document, where they show up correctly. Skinsmoke 01:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Another workaround would be to use Firefox. Just like with Microsoft Word, they should show up correctly; the problem is with MSIE only (and perhaps with Netscape 4, but nobody uses Netscape 4 anymore). In fact, most modern browsers should work fine. I hope future versions of MSIE are better. --cesarb 03:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

No luck with your suggested workround. However, I'm puzzled why the problem should be confined to Wikipedia. Practically all other websites display correctly. Is the problem not a lot simpler than everyone is assuming? Wikipedia uses Sans Seriff, which in MSIE is not Unicode enabled (unlike, for instance, Arial, which is). Skinsmoke 00:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Brazil4Linux here. If I'm not juldged by arbitration comitee, why you insist put the tag in my user page? Leave that blank because any case was opened. - Brazil4Linux

If you mean the edit without any edit summary by someone who was not logged in at User:Brazil4Linux I reverted, I'm sorry; I thought it was vandalism. --cesarb 00:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank You cesab. Actually User:Doom127 is insisting put the tag that I'm blocked without arbitration comitee/Jimbo Wales decision. This is correct? Can you keep my user plage Blanked? I decided abandon my account, thanks. - Brazil4Linux


Brazil4Linux aqui. Vou explicar em português: eu fui bloqueado indefinidamente por 3RR, Suspeita de Sockpuppets, e "block avoidance". Nenhum caso no Arbitration Comitee foi aberto bem como nenhuma decisão foi tomada por Jimbo Wales em relação a mim. Não foi provado que eu usei de outras contas. Nada contra mim foi provado. Fui vítima de stalking por parte de User:Alkivar, Doom127, Jedi6 na disputa por original reserach em Ken Kutaragi - onde sofri inumeros ataques pessoais por Doom127. Foi uma autentica disputa "Fanboy". Recentemente decidi abandonar de vez a Wikipedia apenas limpando minha pagina e colocando um motivo pelo qual eu acho que fui banido (Harassment) mas Doom127 e Jedi6 continuam me vigiando e querem me acusar definitivamente sem nenhuma decisão oficial do Arbitration Comitee. Não sei o que fazer meu inglês é péssimo, peço sua ajuda pra solucionar isso. O que eu quero atualmente é minha pagina de usuario e de discussão limpas e sem nada, ou a conta deletada se possível.

Grato, Brazil4Linux (Mateusc - voce pode me contactar na Wikipedia portuguesa com esse nick).

Peço sua ajuda - User:Doom127 está revertendo minha propria pagina de discussão e de usuário, ele esta fazendo isso por stalking, nenhum caso foi aberto contra mim para ele insitir em voltar com a tag.

Answered at User talk:Brazil4Linux. --cesarb 01:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

How to delete email confirmation notice on my watchlist?

At the Village pump discussion of this, you said we should insert the line #confirmemail { display: none } and someone else said to put it on our Monobook.css. I went to User:Mbeychok/monobook.css and then to the edit screen for that page and inserted the line that you recommended. Absolutely nothing happened! When I saved the edit, the line showed up as:

1. #confirmemail { display: none }

and it did not delete the email confirmation notice on my watch list. What have I done wrong? Or not done? I will wait for your answer here on your Talk page. - mbeychok 01:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

If you are using other skin, the page name is different (for instance, Classic uses /standard.css instead of /monobook.css; I have a full list at Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes). Also, it will only take effect after the browser reloads your stylesheet; a forced reload (Shift-Reload on Firefox) might be needed (see Wikipedia:Clear your cache for instructions on other browsers). Last but not least, looking at the history of your monobook.css, none of the revisions are correct; it's exactly #confirmemail { display: none }, all lowercase (CSS is case-sensitive). --cesarb 16:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


I'm talking about my page's MfD entry for Wikipedia:Vandalism/Types of Vandalism. What in Heaven, Hell, and Earth is 'categorization creep'? (Can you put it on my talk page, not on this one please? Thanks) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flameviper12 (talkcontribs) 13:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Alright, thanks for the explanation, you can delete my comment now or whatever, I don't care. But they weren't really for all vandalism, just maybe for grouping vandals, like WoW or Mr. Treason, or such like that. Like there could be templates for each order, you could tell someone on their page.

Whatever. Anyway, Flameviper12 17:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


No, I wasn't aware that's how it worked. I assumed the most recent ban took priority. I just unbanned and then reset it. Is that the best way to do it? Sarge Baldy 01:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

magic classes


you mentioned at the village pump that there are magic classes that you can use for javascript and css. is there someplace I can get a list of those?  :-) Ted 01:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

{{lp}} and {{ltp}}

I did never understand exactly what those forks where for. I changed {{lp}} to be used for portals now (I had forgot that). {{ltp}} I have no clue what's for. AzaToth 19:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


Fair enough - I have the cold at the moment, so doing that probably isn't a good idea anyway! However at least one anon IP has the knowledge, so it is something to keep an eye on in case it spreads. SFC9394 00:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

{{wrongtitle}} and {{lowercase}}

Please give me examples of it not working? And if it doesn't work in some skins those skins should be removed because it looked pretty fullproof and looks really ugly now you changed it back. I mean who are you? An admin? Besides, I got the idea from Uncyclopedia and it looks pretty fullproof there.--Greasysteve13 03:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay. But its just not fair.--Greasysteve13 04:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Unicode damage.

I was using Mozilla 1.7.8 (20050511) on my desktop to do that edit. I suspect it has to do with not having all Unicode fonts -- the fancy character pallete at the end of the editing field shows up very distorted on this workstation.

Thanks. -- Inoshiro 03:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:Afd top

Hi. While commenting on your proposed changes, I found out that, according to the text at the top of MediaWiki:Monobook.css and MediaWiki:Common.css, changes to these pages should be proposed on the village pump. Should we move the discussion back to the village pump rather than on WT:AFD? - Liberatore(T) 14:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing the UTF-8 confusion on Help:Category, no idea how I managed that. Maybe &action=raw and some clipboard wannabe-translation - my OS and browser are strictly pre-UTF-8, this works only as long as they don't modify non-ASCII bytes. -- Omniplex 17:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


templates substituted by a bot as per Wikipedia:Template substitution Pegasusbot 08:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Office Actions

Who was desysoped? Kaldari 19:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

See the rights log on meta if you are really interested. Since the desysopping lasted only three minutes, I prefer to not point fingers (which is also why I'm not adding the reference directly to the page). --cesarb 19:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
So this is a "secret" desysoping? Kaldari 19:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
No, a number of people have commented on the sysop's user talk page, anyone who was following the events at the time saw it, and I believe it was also discussed on the mailing list and/or IRC. I just do not want to have a permanent policy page with a big "look at this sysop! He went against Jimbo!" banner (which is the effect you would have by giving the details about it). --cesarb 19:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
No one's asking you to write it on the policy page. Saying that people will be desysoped for reverting an office action is a pretty bold claim, especially compared with Jimbo's rather timid proclamation that someone "might" get blocked for reverting Office Actions. Desysoping is a pretty huge jump from blocking. This needs some kind of explanation. What were the circumstances surrounding this? Was it a repeated or aggrevated offense? Who performed the desysoping? Jimbo? Do other people have the authority to desysop people for violating this policy? Who decided that desysoping was the proper course of action? Was this decided through some sort of process or declared by Jimbo? Kaldari 20:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, I see you have posted an explanation to the Office Actions talk page. Thanks! Kaldari 20:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Who are you calling an ugly hack?

--Greasysteve13 01:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC) ok--Greasysteve13 01:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:Coor title dms changes

The changes you made in Template:Coor title dms here completely loose the purpose of this template, please change back to allowing absolute position. Qyd(talk)18:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, now it makes sense. And sorry, I paniked when I saw how it looked before the refresh (and thinking about the many articles where I used it). Qyd(talk)18:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, Qyd, you weren't supposed to be using it in many articles, it was experimenal....
Anyway, Thank You CesarB for responding to our cry for help. Is there some way to get the same sort of thing in Cologne Blue and Classic et alia? It has to go in different places, just across the page from "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". (watching here)
--William Allen Simpson 20:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
To do that, I need the CSS to be used. I still don't quite get how the positioning trick works, so I cannot do it on my own. --cesarb 21:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Working on it. I'll let you know when I've got them worked out. And thanks so much for your help! — Saxifrage 22:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Having taken a look at the idea, I wouldn't actually recommend any changes for the other skins. This placement really suits Monobook, but the others all have much more classic layouts that don't lend themselves well to these kinds of placement tricks. If someone had a good idea and needed some CSS expertise, I could work something up. As it is, I think it doesn't need special treatment in other skins. — Saxifrage 22:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Saxifrage, this has to be done for the other skins, or it appears in the middle of templates, and at the bottom of pages, and is Really Ugly.
--William Allen Simpson 01:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Respose on your talk pageSaxifrage 03:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Using the helpful test setup provided, I've a proposal for MediaWiki talk:Cologneblue.css.
--William Allen Simpson 02:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Using the helpful test setup provided, I've a proposal for MediaWiki talk:Standard.css.
William Allen Simpson 02:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Using the helpful test setup provided, I've a proposal for MediaWiki talk:Nostalgia.css. (No more for now, I've been here nearly 12 hours straight.)
William Allen Simpson 03:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I need your advice

Hi, it's been awhile since we've talked. I'm in need of the advice of a veteran user on something I've been working on for quite some time. I undertook a complete overhaul of the Community Portal, only to have someone revert it to a version of the page that existed months ago. Then along comes an admin and protects the page. Not knowing what all my options were, I called for a vote to get the page changed back. My question is: is there anything I've overlooked in my efforts to get the page restored? --Go for it! 19:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


When I created {{softredirect}}, my intention (explicited since the beginning on Category:Wikipedia:Soft redirects) was that articles should never receive it ("Do not add articles to this category."); the category is also a non-article category (which should not be used on articles but can be used on non-article pages). All the redirects from the article namespace using that template are historical artefacts (they were nonworking interwiki redirects, which I turned into soft redirects), which I'm working on eliminating.

Wikipedia:Soft redirect says explicitly that soft redirects to the Wiktionary should use {{wi}}; if it does not merit a {{wi}}, it should not have a soft redirect at all (MediaWiki:Noarticletext and MediaWiki:Noarticletextanon, which show when an article does not exist, already link to the definition on Wiktionary, so it can be found even without a redirect). There is nothing on Wikipedia:Soft redirect which says {{wi}} is only for articles "that could potentially be expanded to a Wikipedia article". Finally, I see nothing on the AfD and RfD that says the consensus is to use {{softredirect}}; the AfD result is a delete, and the RfD result was never announced (instead it was closed as "already turned into a soft redirect"); notice that both people who asked for a soft redirect never specified {{softredirect}}, and {{wi}} is also known as a soft redirect.

Because of all that, I'm reverting to the {{wi}} version, and undoing the changes to the intro of the category.

--cesarb 23:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the explanation and my apologies for the misunderstanding. My objection to using the {{wi}} template was that it invites the user to start an article, when AFD has established that there should be no article in this case. Regards. --Muchness 05:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A while ago you blocked User: as an open proxy (log). A user said it was stopping them from editing, so I unblocked it. They said it belongs to xs4all, a Dutch ISP. Could you re-check if it's an open proxy? I'll keep an eye on the IP's contribs in case it gets into mischief. I'd also like to know if you think my unblocking was ok, or if I should have asked first. Cheers, --Commander Keane 21:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


You recently changed MediaWiki:Prefs-help-email to read (added text in bold):

* E-mail (optional): Enables others to e-mail you from your user or user talk page, without revealing your e-mail address. It will be revealed when you use the "E-mail this user" feature. Please note that if you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.

When I read this recently, I thought it was a mistake because it seemed self-contradictory ("will the address be revealed or won't it?"). A better wording might be something like:

* E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.

It's more wordy, but less susceptible to misinterpretation, I think. - dcljr (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Permission to use IRC logs.

Hey there, I was wondering if I had your permission to publish some of your IRC chat on Wikipedia, specifically:

«20:43:33» {+cesarb} Avillia: your attempts at a range blacklist are highly incorrect
«20:44:08» {+cesarb} Avillia: it's
«20:44:16» {+cesarb} Avillia: read CIDR for why
«20:44:38» {+cesarb} Avillia: the 0-255 way uses -, not / ;-)

I previously had these up in accordance to m:IRC Channels, as the channel you said it in #vandalism-en-wp did not have a rule against logging visible on a related website or on WP:IRC and related pages. However, despite the fact that the logs were related to a ongoing discussion, and they were trimmed to size, a administrator with personal involvement to the issue deleted the content. As such, I am seeking permission of use from every user I am quoted. Your cooperation would be appreciated.

Thanks, Avillia 19:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I've removed the quoted lines per the IRC channel's privacy policy, which can be read at // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 20:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Re-added removed comment. No fighting on my user talk page, please. --cesarb 00:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I see no problem in quoting these particular lines; but I also fail to see any use on quoting them (and also, they only make sense with the example of incorrect usage some lines before it on the log). Could you please point me to the context where they are/were being quoted? --cesarb 00:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Unicode fonts}} and {{IPA fonts}}

Hi, except for you (not so critical) example at Voiced velar plosive, these templates are unused, so I think there is little reason to keep them up to date. The only reason why I haven't proposed them for delteion yet is because of the intersting discussion on the talk page. Cheers, —Ruud 00:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


"(fix typo. PLEASE use the W3C validator after every change to this file to catch errors like this one!)"

You should describe how to do that in the comments on that page. — Omegatron 19:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit buttons

Hi CesarB. You have been recommended to me as the person who could answer this question: Where in MediaWiki can I add the buttons that normally appear above the edit box, such as the one that adds the signature? I am an admin on some Simple English projects which do not have those buttons, so I want to add them. Or do I need to get developer intervention? --Cromwellt|Talk 15:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, CesarB. I checked what you mentioned, and found that I do have the edit bar selected in my preferences, but it still doesn't show up. I looked at the code you mentioned also, and while I can somewhat understand the code (I've had some minor programming experience a long time ago), and I can even find where the redirect button is added, I can't tell how to fix my problem. There are several things at the end of the initial long list in Monobook.js here that are not present on the projects I'm working on, but I don't think I need all of them. If you have a bit of free time, can you look at Simple English Wikibooks and Simple English Wikiquote? The other simple English projects have the buttons. --Cromwellt|Talk 22:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
You were right, CesarB. The buttons are back for me now. It was related to JavaScript permissions which I was blocking using NoScript, a Firefox extension. Unfortunately, my extension manager had a serious bug, so it took a reinstall to fix the problem. Thanks for your help. You put me on the right track. Happy editing! --Cromwellt|Talk 23:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You have edited the microcontroller page.

Are planning on deleting all references to Parallax's Propellor chip? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 21:08, 12 May 2006


Consider protecting per [6] - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

CSS question

Hi - I'm no CSS expert, but I've recently updated template:Infobox U.S. state so that the "grouped" rows are actual rows but without row borders (but with vertical cell separators). Doing this in a specific template seems a little ugly (and, sigh, border-top doesn't seem to work with IE in a TR). Do you think toprow and mergedrow styles might be generally useful additions to common.css (like borderless)? If you could easily do this (or can think of other alternatives), I'd appreciate it. I also asked user:Ed g2s who apparently added the boderless infobox style (no response yet). Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Any idea why no one has commented at MediaWiki talk:Common.css about this? Isn't "virtual rows" (with embedded <br>s) a really bad idea? I'm not overly concerned about this, just slightly curious. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Casey Jones

Thanks for catching that, i knew he was a baseball player but just assumed there was a different article for him, i should have checked the history logs.--Gephart 02:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Michael P. Ward

Just to let you know that what you just deleted was the creation-protected template that I had just inserted and protected, and not the actual nonsense article itself. Now it looks like I'm wheel-warring with you because I just reinserted and reprotected it... -- Francs2000 17:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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