User talk:Charlesdrakew/Archives/2009/April

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Burgess Hill changes

Please can you explain why the recent changes to Burgess Hill were reversed. (Population info, Transport info including information on road links, bus transport and taxi ranks.)

Many thanks in advance,

Curtis31992 (talk) 16:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I should have explained at the time but was in a hurry. Apologies. Wikipedia is not a how-to manual or a travel guide, so that level of detail is not apropriate, and could be seen as advertising.--Charles (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Having re-read the changes I made I agree the removal of some of them for that reason. I have however made some minor changes which I believe were still valid, with regards to your reason for changes.

Curtis31992 (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I noticed you reverted an edit made to the Burgess Hill article made from this IP. I am sysadmin for a retail company and the edit appears to have been made as a joke by one of my staff. I am going to pass on the necessary "training" but just wanted to thank you for your prompt corrective action and for leaving the message you did. -James -- (talk) 16:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


You keep removing a link to the Egremont newspaper and marking it as spam. The newspaper is free and delivered to every house in the Egremont and district area and is therefore not only highly relevant but also cannot be spam as the newspaper makes no charge, nor advertises anywhere on it's website. Please do not remove the link again.

Chacufc (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I have removed it.--Charles (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


Please could you tell me why you keep deleting the links to Littlehampton Marina on the Littlehampton page? Fishing( on the river and on the sea) is a big tourist attraction in Littlehampton so lots of people arrive by boat on day trips.Therefore they need to locate the marina for a mooring. To ignore references to the marina is unhelpful for visitors. signed garibaldicamping Garibaldicamping (talk) 23:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory and should not be used for advertising. Read the guidelines for editing. The link in question is blatant advertising. It is perfectly acceptable to include the marina on the page as long as it is with a neutral point of view.--Charles (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I still don't really understand your comment as there is a big piece in the article about Stagecoach buses which is advertising for a private company, as is the stuff on East Beach cafe.How is a link advertising? How is a link not neutral? By the way I dont work for the marina, I just know it provides a facility for boat owners. Any way I'll give up. signed garibaldicampingGaribaldicamping (talk) 23:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Findon changes

Please can you explain why the recent changes to Findon were undone (i.e. removing third public house and indian restaurant etc).

Fletcher Memorial —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fletcher Memorial (talkcontribs) 13:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bit confused

"There is lots of constructive work to be done. It is not the place however for voicing personal opinions as you did with Lymington, and that has been removed".

Don't understand what you mean by the first sentence.


Could you help me write this article?


I was wondering if you would be willing to help me write either Seikichi_Iha or Shorin-ryu_Shido-kan. Tkjazzer 21:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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New Forest

I inadvertently removed the Wilts tags but swiftly reinstated them. I didn't notice if there were Hants ones to be frank, but of course there should be.Paste (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Henry de Percy, 1st Baron Percy

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A tag has been placed on Henry de Percy, 1st Baron Percy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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I declined the speedy, for all such historical figures are considered important. But this is an almost empty article, and there is a lot more to say.Get help from a library. DGG (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

European Union

Since when has the EU been a LEGAL country? Its not, so dont treat it as one, as much as freedom hating europhiles wish it was.

UKIP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedom4korea (talkcontribs) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I never said it was. What has this to do with me? I will revert your fanatical edits unless they are provable though. Thanks for reminding me to check what you are doing. --Charles (talk) 23:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Heres the proof, read the first site result.

Fanaical, at least im loyal to my counry, and not to some twisted notion of a united europe which betrays war vets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedom4korea (talkcontribs) 09:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


As you have answered some of my questions in the discussion page of Dorset, I thought that you may be able to answer this one in that discussion page and correct the article:

If the populations and GVAs of the non-metropolitan county of Dorset and of Poole & Bournemouth are as similar as the article explain, how can the the GVA per person for Dorset be £6,671 and the one for Poole & Bournemouth £15,683? There is a huge difference. If the populations and the GVAs of both areas are similar, the GVAs per person should be similar. There is a mistake somewhere.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I cannot help with this. Not stuff I know about.--Charles (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Babylon Fortress

No problem. I just uploaded the picture onto WikiCommons. Enjoy! Tentoila (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I actually just added it to Babylon Fortress myself. Hope that's alright. Tentoila (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Heck cattle

Aurochs is the singular - and the plural. Also we do not include links in the see also section that are already in the text of the article. Rmhermen (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Mea culpa. --Charles (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Nice pic of haslemere. You must have gotten there early to avoid traffic. SuzanneKn (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Tavistock and Summerhill School

I have removed the only phrase that could possibly be termed 'advert like' from the above article. I'd be grateful if you could review your tag or let me know your concerns. Paste (talk) 20:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a better idea

In the article for wheelbarrow, how about I just convert that quote into blockquote format instead, so that the picture size is inconsequential? Then you can reformat or resize the image however you see fit.--Pericles of AthensTalk 21:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure if that is compatible with the manual of style. Try it and see.--Charles (talk) 21:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Chichester (district)

As I said in my note suggesting the merger, it is most unusual to separate the list of parishes like this one. Compare Horsham and Mid Sussex, both of which retain the list; and in particular the three East Sussex districts of Lewes (district), Rother and Wealden The latter are being built up to article length, with much more information than the West Sussex articles - and have two lists! We have to be logical about this: if we leave them as they are, what else can we say on the separate parish list? Peter Shearan (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Speedy Deletion

Thanks, that's a useful tip. Boleyn (talk) 12:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Good Article reassessment for Valley of the Kings

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Ray Mears

Oh I heard the information somewhere but I think it must have been a joke. One of those Ray Mears hating people. I added the information but forgot to cite my reference. When I searched for it I could no longer find it, and as a result I decided to pull my original comments. Now I am getting grief for breaking wikis editing policy, however it clearly states be bold in your editing process because if you get it wrong you can always correct the information. So therefore you warning me is wrong because I followed the guidelines. I suggest you read up on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is very sensitive about biographies of living people for legal reasons. Such serious allegations would need cast iron sourcing BEFORE adding them. There is a difference between being bold and being reckless. --Charles (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I hate to drag this on anymore than is strictly necessary but I can't help feeling you and the other bloke only pointed out stuff to me because you feel a sense of power doing it. Your statement along the lines of biographys require extra care, is somewhat unfounded to me the humble wiki user. Now I won't claim to have read every single page of editing guidelines, but the main text implies if you want to, have a go. Because its a website designed for everyone. If you so badly only want you and maybe a few buddies writing then I suggest you set up your own website because like I said all can use wikipedia. Now I explained carefully my account of what happened, I wrote something but forgot to cite my sources. When I looked for them I couldn't find them. This is a situation that could face any wiki user. The obvious next step would be to delete what I had written for I had no references to my statement. This is the very principles on which Wikipedia is based, that one can afford to make a mistake but if they do then they take appropriate action. I did and you have been a power crazed buffoon over the incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunsnroses15 (talkcontribs) 20:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Academy of Shotokan Karate

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Proposed deletion of Hybridmaster

Per your warning about the proposed deletion of Hybridmaster, I did not create, nor significantly contribute to, the article. Looking at the revision history, I see that I fixed a misspelling in the article in September 2007. When my involvement with an article is a minor revision, I would prefer not to receive a templated PROD warning on my talk page as my overall count of edits across all articles could lead to very high notification levels. Thank you. -- Michael Devore (talk) 13:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Capital Letters...


I've noticed that you've changed the following titles from...

  • Cathedral Organists
  • Organists & Masters of the Choristers
  • Assistant Organists
  • Organ Scholars


  • Cathedral organists
  • Organists & masters of the choristers
  • Assistant organists
  • Organ scholars.

Firstly, you know the titles Prime Minister of Great Britain, well we writel it like Prime Minister of Great Britain, not Prime minister of great britain. This is because it is a proper title given to a nominated/elected person to an office ...etc.

Cathedral Organists, Organists & Masters of the Choristers ,Assistant Organists & Organ Scholars are all respectively tiles like Prime Minister of Great Britain, but in the liturgical office of the church.

I ask you to correct this clear mistake and leave it!! -Willwal

I've just come to your page to make the same comment.. Goodbye! Amandajm (talk) 06:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Obviously Great Britain is a proper noun and will always be capitalised. Prime minister will not always be, depending whether it is being used generically, or applied to a specific individual. The examples you complain of above are being used generically in section headings and should not be capitalised. I refer you to the Manual of style.--Charles (talk) 22:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

PS I also refer you to Prime minister which has a section "Lists of prime ministers". On further perusal of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) I see that even God does not get a capital when described as "the Christian god", so I don't think mere organ scholars have much chance. I edit in good faith and my work is rarely rejected, so I find your brusque attitude rather offensive. I wish you a happy new year.--Charles (talk) 22:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

As you can see, more than 1 person disagrees with you. You shouldn't find what I said offensive, because we all make mistakes, and Organists & Masters of the Choristers ,Assistant Organists & Organ Scholars are all official titles. -Willwal

Daniel Wood declined speedy

as he is notable with significant coverage in WP:RS. Dlohcierekim 17:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


Hello, Charles Drakew, thank you for the copy-editing the article but as you know, I'm the one who created the article. Although I picked not quite right word to describe the King's mentality[1], if you read an attached English source, you will know that the king did not have "symphathy" for the class, but tried to avoide hearing the word or reference which could link his mother's class. Would you find more an appropriate word to explain his extreme sensibility over any mention regarding the musuri class? Thanks.--Caspian blue 03:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes. I see what you mean now. English is a tricky old language to get right. I will have another go at it. Best wishes to you.--Charles (talk) 10:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the understanding and fixing the problem. If any chance you're interested in ancient Korean society or a class of court ladies, would you look at Gungnyeo and fix grammatical errors that I made a lot? --Caspian blue 22:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
CopyeditorStar7.PNG The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For the incredibly helpful work and time you put into getting Gungnyeo and Musuri to have clearer descriptions, I, award Charlesdrakew this copyeditor's barnstar. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work!Caspian blue 20:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


  • Thanks for your help on this persistent insertion of the same info by various anonymous editors in the fiction section. It's almost certainly the same person, what do you think is our best course of action? Regards Paste Let’s have a chat. 21:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Are we sure the book is not admissible? If not and they keep using different IPs there is not much we can do but keep reverting until they give up.--Charles (talk) 21:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Pippingford Park

Pippingford Park is in Nutley and the website offers a wealth of visual information pertaining to Nutley. Pippingford is still an Army training ground as well as being a haven for Deer and the lakes are Sites of Special Scientific Interest.

How this is an inappropriate link, it was added below the "Nutley Social Club" link, I can't fathom! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smg1965 (talkcontribs) 13:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

See Nutley talk page--Charles (talk) 18:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Thoughts added to Nutley talk page, apologies for time taken to contribute. --Paste Let’s have a chat. 21:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocking editing?!?!?

Hi Jeff

Could you please explain who you are and why you are threatening to block me from editing.

Where is your contribution to the discussion apart from the threat! --Smg1965 (talk) 18:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I am a Veteran Editor with over 27,000 edits under my belt, sometimes involved in Recent Changes Patrol using Huggle. At 17:37 (UTC) yesterday, during one of my patrols, I noticed this edit, in which you restored external links that Charlesdrakew felt were spam (as evidenced by that editor's Edit Summary for this edit). I am trying, as was Charlesdrakew, to protect Wikipedia from inappropriate external links, as we have been explaining to you on your user talk page, so to that end, one minute later I reverted your restoration and issued you standard warning Template:uw-hugglespam3.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 04:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Firstly Jeff the issue is whether I am a spammer or not as labelled by Charlesdrakew who from the moment I added the link deleted it without any discussion and labelled me a spammer. Viewing my history on Wikipedia it is clear that I am NOT a spammer but a relative Newbie.

Secondly the comments on my user talk page suggest I have not read the spamming guidelines. Just because Charlesdrakew and you think it is Spam does NOT make it so. It should be up for discussion as the guidelines are not black and white and I do not consider the link to be spamming because:

  • The site gives a history on the Manor House and the estate which is also relative to Nutley and Ashdown Forest, and also provides a good source of imagery of the area not contained on the Wiki
  • I have visited Pippingford Park during one of their events and at no time was solicited for an entry fee or charge for car parking but was free to roam un-hindered
  • The website provides no "point of sale", you can't purchase anything via the website
  • Any commercial activity Pippingford offers is of interest to a small majority of people in a specific market, as with any Historic Manor, Estate, Garden etc in Britain and the World they have to create an income to survive, this should not detract from it's historic and local importance. E.g. The Tower of London's Wiki page has an external link to Commercial website

Lastly I would be very happy to have this issue taken to the Wikipedia admins for a decision which I would respect. I would at the same time like them to look at the conduct of Charlesdrakew and yourself regarding the authoritarian attitude towards ordinary pedestrian users of Wikipedia.

  • Should Charlesdrakew be able to label myself and any other users as spammers
  • Should Charlesdrakew be able to delete additions without any discussion beforehand
  • Should Charlesdrakew be able to delete existing content without any discussion (the "Nutley Social Club" link added by another user) to justify my link deletion
  • Should Charlesdrakew be able to vacillate on HIS decisions as to which links should stay and be removed
  • Should Charlesdrakew be able "poke fun" at myself and other users
  • Should Charlesdrakew be able continuously undo changes without receiving any warnings as I myself did
  • Should you Jeff be able to threaten to ban my editing without discussion
  • Do you Jeff really think the link I have added and tried to justify politely is "Vandalism"?
  • If I was a spammer would I enter into so much discussion about this point and waste my time
  • Did you Jeff actually read the discussion on this before issuing your threat!

Once again I added the link to Pippingford Park in good faith as I was impressed by the area as far as free accessibility and its beauty and thought it would be beneficial to the Nutley page. It seems ordinary users are at the mercy of seasoned users who use their knowledge of Wikipedia to block any open access and discussion. I find this incredibly sad and abusive!

I must admit, having read this item above, I tend to agree as I am suffering a similar fate: I'm an Asperger and find some of the intracies of Wiki quite opaque. If the "marshalls" wore badges to "prove" legitimacy I'd feel a lot better, but when postings are simply deleted it implies & conveys the impression that another viewer (DrakecharlesW) simply disagrees with your view/post and can simply delete without a discussion.

Personally, for me at least, this is the most unappealing side of wiki, and it rather sours the whole universal experience, diluting it down to the lowest common enominator, that of the self appointed judge, jury and executioner. When this happens, wiki and everyone else that seeks to use the resource is infinitely poorer. If I've made a mistake, surely the guardians of Wiki should take pride in helping users improve wiki in a more positive fashion by engaging with some asistance? If, once an explanation has taken place and it's clear that I've made an error, yes I'd be more than happy to apologise, but at the moment I feel that I've been nudged off the road into the hard shoulder by a hit and run driver -no recourse...nothing apart from a clear audit trail that DrakecharlesW really is a law unto himself which ultimately is rather pointless, but maybe this is his mission in life? --Jivebaby 16:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

West Sussex 2001 Census

Thanks for finding the parish population document, I had been searching for that information for ages. MortimerCat (talk) 18:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Charlesdrakew. Thank you for the help to Galbitang. I was helped by you again after the Korean court women articles! Keep up the good work.--Caspian blue 01:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Petworth Canal

Hi & thanks for you note. My assessment was not intended as an action on you to produce a map; but you are welcome to have a go. Many if not all of the canal maps can be found in this category: Category:Waterway routemap templates. Have fun.Pyrotec (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


Official titles take capital letters, as in Assistant Organist. The deletion of these caps is an ongoing problem. If you have done it at other cathedral sites, please restor them. Lady Chapel takes caps. It is the "Chapel of Our Lady". "Christian" takes caps as well. Amandajm (talk) 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi Charles; thanks for your note. An interesting story; I hope they still have the documents, or have donated them to the Library. I was planning to walk there at some point (about 1½ hours from my house, straight over the Downs) and take photos prior to writing the article, but in the end I found a good one on Commons and used that instead; I had all the source material for the article ready and waiting. Hope you enjoy Ifield Water Mill as well, if you haven't been already! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)