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Can you check? The link doesnt work Victuallers 10:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I checked it this morning and it worked so maybe it was\ a temporary glitch. Chevin 07:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Leeds and Selby Railway[edit]

I see you essentially reverted my wordsmithing edits to the Leeds and Selby Railway article. I trust it is not because you believe it is your article and it should not be changed; that would be a violation of Wikipedia policy (see WP:OWN). Assuming good faith edits, let me explain why I made them:

  • From: The idea remained dormant until 1829, when, with the example of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, which was nearing completion,
  • To:The idea remained dormant until 1829, when, with the example of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway nearing completion,
  • Reason: when,with,which is a lot of conjunctions and difficult to understand

  • From: The terrain was easy by the standards of later railways, with gentle curves and the steepest gradient being two miles at 1 in 150. This was achieved at the cost of a number of embankments
  • To: The terrain was easy by the standards of later railways, with gentle curves and the steepest gradient being two miles at 1 in 150. There were a number of embankments
  • Reason: In your text, the subject of the first sentence is "terrain", so "This" in the second second should be terrain, but I think you want it to be "gradient", so the grammar should be changed. My edit simply states the facts in support of a neutral point of view

  • From: They were set either on stone blocks or timber sleepers.
  • To: They were set on stone blocks or timber sleepers.
  • Reason: The word "either" adds unnecessary complexity and is grammatically unnecessary. The "or" implies there was a choice.

  • From: In some places stones were, as an experiment, laid longitudinally
  • To: In some places stones were laid longitudinally
  • Reason: There is no verifiable source that this was done as an experiment. Simply stating the facts provides the same information.

  • From: It did not prosper as it should have done
  • To: It did not prosper as it might have done
  • Reason: Use of "should" requires verifiable sources that it would have done better that way, yet none are cited. Use of "might" is a legitimate neutral statement of fact that requires no evidence.

In summary, sometimes "less" is what is needed in articles, and that is why I made the edits. Since I believe in discussion instead of edit wars, I will not revert your edits. I ask, however, that you rethink them and make whatever edits you think are appropriate in the future. Thanks. Truthanado 23:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)



You removed the svg tag from rails.jpg, what information is being presented by the greyscale information in the image which could not be reproduced using an SVG image? Although it is a greyscale scanned image, one could trace over the edges of the image and reproduced the same information, no? Thanks User A1 02:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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I see you are creating some new articles ... e.g. Hazlewood. If you can get 1500 characters (not words so thats only a couple of paras) of solid descriptive text (ie minus lists, pics, cats etc) then you can get nominated for Did you know. I'd be pleased to help ... it has to be done within 5 days of the article's "birth". Oh and I managed to find a couple of pics for Parkin Jeffcock .... not ideal but better than nothing. Cheers.

Oh and Ive just been trying to find material on John Fowler (the early steam/plough engineer) and ran into a company called chevins ...any relation? Victuallers 13:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Umm I'm not sure I can write too much. I mainly wanted to provide some information at least on places that were part of Duffield Frith, and I have found an old document with some information. One of these days I might find my way to Duffield Church where I understand there is a memorial plaque. My nom de guerre is the name of a hill near where I live. See the image on my user page Chevin 13:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know[edit]

Oh I see you have an article of over 1500 characters! ... much more. Your article about the 6th Earl is very interesting ... I always wondered how the Ferrers lost their influence. I hope you don't mind I have proposed the following DYK "hook"

The words can be changed of course. We have 5 days usually before it goes on the front page. Before then we need to add in-line citations that allow someone to quickly check that we have support for each idea in the DYK nom. This can be tricky as you only have two refs ... but adding these is a good idea anyway ... as in 3-4 years time there may be some extra ideas added by others and the refs added now will indicate which facts Chevin added. I'd also like to add an infobox and some pictures. I realise we are unlikely to find a painting of Robert but you could include pictures of important buildings .... e.g. is there an artist impresssion of Duffield Castle? Victuallers 09:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your interest. Much of the material I have added to the articles about the various earls of Derby (the original line) have come from W.Bland's book and Dr.Cox's. However for Robert the 6th. earl I found more info in The Oxford National Biography which seems a pretty good source :-) and contradicts W.Bland's account slightly. (It was written in the days when you didn't question your betters - that is those who had been most successful in slaughtering as many people as possible. Even in my childhood there was a strong tendency for people to touch their forelocks). There is an artist's impression of Duffield Castle and a ground plan but they may be copyright still. I must perhaps contact the Derbyshire Archaeological Society.
As for another Do You Know - the earliest signs of humans in Derbyshire are from the Paleolithic (probably h. Heidelbergiensis) but again I 've still got to do some research. Chevin 19:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking forward to the 4th Earl ... but the 6th is on the main page now Victuallers 14:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 12 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert de Ferrers, 6th Earl of Derby , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 15:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Buxton Stations[edit]

Following your comment on the Buxton Line page, i have modified the diagram to include the old MR station site. Tell me what you think. Britmax (talk) 20:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The above article diagram has had a full reworking of the Buxton area. Thanks for the remarks and see what you think! Britmax (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Railway diagrams[edit]

I saw your question on Britmax's talk page. There is a way to differentiate between passenger and freight lines. Have a look at Réseau des Bains de Mer where I had to find a way to differentiate between Std gauge {open), Std gauge {closed}, Dual gauge {open}, Metre gauge {open} and Metre gauge {closed} all within the same diagram! Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the message on the CHPR - all good stuff, apparently. I note that the info on the extension to Uttoxeter has got lost - I've reinstated only some of it (it did bring through traffic from London for a time I think).

I've also asked (on Talk) a question of a sometime-proposed incline up from Wirksworth which was on one of my parents' old maps :-)

Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes the line from Buxton to the CHPR was extended by the LNWR to Ashbourne then to Rocester (I think) where it joined the Knotty. There were regular trains into Derby where the LNWR had a small workshop/office. The line had through trains from Buxton to London. There are one or two books on the line now in print.Among the "Lost Railways of Derbyshire" by Geoffrey Kingscott. Chevin (talk) 09:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Re the Wirksworth incline I've added a note to Talk:Cromford and High Peak Railway#Proper Route Map? Chevin (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ashbourne Line[edit]

You've been busy :-) (Makes me quite homesick) Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your Ashbourne Line map. Superb. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Invicta (locomotive)[edit]

I noticed you started the Canterbury & Whitstable article and wondered if you can add anything to the invicta article I started. Mjroots (talk) 20:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

GPK&AR locomotive[edit]

Hey, a couple of months ago you uploaded this diagram of a locomotive from Whishaw's book that you indicated as being of the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway. I was wondering, are you sure it was a GPK&AR loco? Its just the book's description of the engines used on the line at the time doesn't match this design (supposedly they only had 4 wheels for one thing). Whishaw also mentions that the GPK&AR locos were the same as the ones used on the London and Birmingham Railway, one of which is shown on Plate VI. --- Dreamer 84 17:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GPK&AR locomotiveAnswered on article's talk page Chevin (talk) 07:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks for the answer, that's another book for me to look at. Thanks again. --- Dreamer 84 22:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi Chevin, long time no see. Please note that to create talk archives, you should use a forward slash "/", so as to create a subpage. I've fixed this with your user talk archive (hope you don't mind): recently a lot of these pages have been deleted. Regards, --RFBailey (talk) 19:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

No. That's fine. Many thanks. Chevin (talk) 08:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Unston station[edit]

you put "Originally called Unston until 1908" What was it called afterwards? I don't want to change it if someone knows the answer Talltim (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the putting the clarification in, I had missed the spelling change.Talltim (talk) 18:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Little Derby[edit]

Hi Chevin, I couldn't find a place with that name either, but the cheese appeared to be of some interest Ning-ning (talk) 17:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oldham, Ashton and Guide Bridge Railway[edit]

A question regarding the Oldham, Ashton and Guide Bridge Railway. I work for Oldham Council Highways and we are decommissioning a former railway underbridge by underfilling. We are looking to retain and restore one of the steel parapets. My question is would anyone know of the original railway company's colour scheme for painting of bridges and structures? Many thanks.Waltonhighschoolphoto82 (talk) 07:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Monsaldale article[edit]

I reverted your removal as no reason given and it fits in the general artile. If your creating a seperate article for the station, just copy and paste it as taking chunks out will leave articles sa stubs with a few links to find the next paragraph. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Manchester, Buxton, Matlock and Midlands Junction Railway[edit]

I inverted the list because I'm working up a diagram for it and already have some done for the Buxton Line and the Derwent Valley Line with north at the top. Thae inversion was a run-up to this (although it will take more time than I initially thought). Britmax (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


I see. So, where in the firebox disambiguation page you link to does it distinguish between the fireboxes in locomotive boilers and those in other types of boiler? And where is the page for the fireboxes of non-locomotive type boilers? Railway people on Wikipedia are constantly assuming that the railway locomotive is the only form that the steam engine takes. This assumption is mistaken. BTW, thanks for pointing out that the disambig needed its link updating. Globbet (talk) 21:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Derby County Football Club[edit]

So you go to a Derby match and the first song you hear is "As I was going to Derby, It was on a market day, I saw the finest Ram sir, that ever was fed on hay". No it isn't. Koshoes (talk) 18:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Stoke railway works[edit]

When you created this article you include a section on 30 locomotives being built to a Park design. Some of which survived to BR ownership. Is there a citation for this? I'm not aware of the NSR producing any locos for other companies and all NSR locos were gone by 1939. NtheP (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I took the original from Larkin and Larkin and I don't have a copy now. However, checking with Lowe, the whole sentence should have been in the article for Bow works and I have moved it. Cant quite work out what happened, but thanks for pointing it out. Chevin (talk) 09:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

List of "notable" Derby people[edit]

Hello Chevin, I am working as the template suggests towards totally removing this list and inserting anything or anyone who has strong ties to Derby into the article. I am removing people who were just born in Derby as this alone doesn't make them noteworthy to Derby. Would you please tell me what has Sir Charles Fox (1810-1874), Sir Francis Fox (1844-1927), done in Derby that is notable or what has he contributed to Derby? I looked at their articles and apart from being born in Derby I could find nothing of relevance. As you probably saw I reinserted into the article a little piece about the long distance runner and if these two are really notable to Derby then you would like to get the story into the article and remove them from the list. thanks (Off2riorob (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC))

Hello! Re: Rowen House School[edit]

I had been cleaning up the democratic education and democratic schools pages as well as related Categories and I found your page. I had a feeling it had been left in the sandbox by accident seeing as it was pretty thorough and tagged. I hope you don't mind. It's now listed on the List of democratic schools with other current and former schools. Cheers! Maguire09 (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! I saw this article arrive and didn't realise it had an induced birth However I have added some wiki stuff and an extra ref and submitted it for DYK. Hope thats OK. Victuallers (talk) 18:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No that's fine. I was just wondering that's all Chevin (talk) 20:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Rowen House School[edit]

Updated DYK query On June 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rowen House School, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Hindlow Station[edit]

I am trying to find someone who knows the exact date the last public passenger service travelled from Ashbourne to Hindlow. After many years of knowing it was somewhere, I have found the ticket that, as a child, I remember being told was for the last train. As I was only 4 at the time, I really am not sure if I remember the trip or not. It is dated October 1954, but I won't tell you the exact date so as not to prejudice any reply ! Have you any idea or can you pass me to someone who does?

Many thanks..

Nigel Aspdin Aspdin (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hindlow Station[edit]

Thanks for your reply......quote........"I'm not sure how I got the info shown on the page. But it actually gives the closure date for scheduled passenger services as 1 November 1954 and final closure on 7 October 1963."

My ticket is dated October 30 1954 (Saturday) so it seems my recall is good, it was indeed the last weekend of pasenger services.

Aspdin (talk) 22:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Philadelphia paragraph added back.[edit]

Because of intervening edits and other complications, I found it easier to just add back the paragraph you wrote about various early Philadelphia institutions. I hope this will meet with your approval. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks Chevin (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Derby station[edit]

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Wishaw question[edit]

I noticed that you'd uploaded some fine images from Whishaw's Railways of Great Britain and Ireland, so I thought I'd ask if you know where I can get some other images from that book, specifically tables XIII and XIV, for the Croydon and the Greenwich railways. These are unfortunately not legible in the version on Google books. Thanks. Petecarney (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes I should have them. How can I send you a copy? Chevin (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
That would be great. You can send it to - many thanks! Petecarney (talk) 09:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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Worcestershire sauce[edit]

I noticed you created and added the .ogg files to Worcestershire and Worcester. I was wondering if you might do the same for Worcestershire sauce. Americans often have trouble pronouncing it. I think if, as a Yank, that I tried creating and adding it I might end up drawn and quartered. Thank you. Weetoddid (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Now done. Chevin (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Tramway (industrial)[edit]

Thank you for responding to my proposed merger of subject article with the Industrial railway article. Would I be correct in interpreting your comment as a preference to include industrial railways as a subcategory of tramways? One option might be to use subject article's description of early tramways as an introduction for an historical progression to modern standard gauge industrial railways.Thewellman (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, certainly, but the word tramway was more or less synonymous with plateway, gangway, edgeway, all in one way or another leading to all the modern railways. But the modern kind of tramway, running on the normal highway, is neither industrial nor considered a railway. Chevin (talk) 17:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Americans don't use the term much; but in my visits to some of the more remote parts of the empire, like Malta, Singapore, and Hong Kong, I had the impression a tram was a type of mass transit vehicle. I have seen the term used to describe the smaller narrow-gauge industrial railways -- those with very short wagons and small radius curves. I thought that was the reason for the (industrial) adjective. I'm fairly sure most Americans would describe these as diminutive railways, but I would value your description of the types of facilities a Briton (or Australian, Canadian, or New Zealander) might describe as either tramways or railways. I would aim for an article covering a single subject identified by different names. I would strive to include relevant description of the boundaries of the subject. I suspect there may be some firm, but divergent opinions about how to differentiate an industrial tramway from an industrial railway, but I hope to avoid controversy about which of those names might be preferable.Thewellman (talk) 01:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Thinking about it, what Brits call a tramway or tramcar Americans know of as a streetcar. There is precise legal definition in UK law described in the article. The sort of thing I'm writing about can be seen in Crich Tramway Museum but modern trams are a number of cars as in Nottingham Express Transit. Tramways of this type are common all over Europe. Chevin (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hello again[edit]

Hi Chevin, have you seen this? I was hoping that local wikipedians like yourself may be intrigued? Do put your name down if you are... Victuallers (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I saw your comment Chevin, and wondered if you could help you to understand ... and others? Several of us understand this project but it comes out of work we were involved with the British Museum last year. Would you mind asking me a few questions and if you feel you understand better than to change our intro page? We could just leave it as "intriguing" but may be you could help us improve the message.

You could see where we come from by seeing here Victuallers (talk) 23:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Chevin, great to meet you on Saturday. Hope you managed to get some railway related pictures and information for articles. I have been approached by the National Railway Museum to see what we we can do for them. Interested? Victuallers (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

St Pancras International - naming controversy[edit]

Hello, Since you took part in this before, you might like to know that there is a revived proposal under discussion at Talk:St Pancras railway station#Requested move. -- Alarics (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've added my two penn'orth Chevin (talk) 06:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hi ... George Sorocold[edit]

Hi Chevin, one of the authors on the Wright Challenge has noticed the similar words on George Sorocold on Wikipedia and Bygone Derbyshire. Can you give further detail of which text came from which and if you know the sources? Thanks Victuallers (talk) 15:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I see that there is now a version in the Finnish Wikipedia that has a few more refs and pictures ... interested? Victuallers (talk) 11:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I wrote the first article in 2006 using Cooper, B., (1983) Transformation of a Valley: The Derbyshire Derwent Heinemann, republished 1991 Cromford: Scarthin Book as my reference. It wouldn't be the first time Bygone Derbyshire has plagiarised Wikipedia without crediting its source. I'm pretty certain I've lodged a complaint about another article in the past - the one about the C & W Works if I remember correctly. You'll notice it uses reader's articles and it isn't clear whether they are moderated. Chevin (talk) 17:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Cool, I found the book in Google Books, thank you ! I'll add a reference to that and remove the mislieading Bygone Derbyshire link. And add my findings to External links section. Cheers from Finland, --Tappinen (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

British Rail Research Division[edit]

Hello, now I read British Rail Research Division which has no references. I see the early versions (2006) are yours. With google I found this site which claims for identical text "(c) The AJN Transport Britain Collection 2008" (I assume they copied your text, do you want to tell them ?). Do you have any recollections which sources you used back in 2006  ? Best regards, --Tappinen (talk) 17:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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de ferrers derbyshire[edit]

Seeing your work on the Earls of Derby, do you have any recommendations for reading about derbyshire or the de ferrers family? My last name is Farris and we have been trying to do more in-depth genealogy on our family. Seems the name goes back to Henri de ferrers, the norman solider that brought the name to England. Thanks

Thankyou for the interest in Derbyshire and the Earls of Derby. I'm not sure what Wikipedia articles you have read. The first is Henry de Ferrers. The name relates to iron working and was very common for many centuries. The best biographical references are in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which you may be able to access on line using your public library membership number. The most detailed account of Derbyshire history of the time would be Turbutt, G., (1999) A History of Derbyshire. Volume 2: Medieval Derbyshire, Cardiff: Merton Priory Press. After the line petered out in Derbyshire some indication of its descendants is given in Earl of Derby#The Ferrers Creation Chevin (talk) 09:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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