User talk:Chochopk/Archive 3
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Sorry for that, didnt have time to correct it or put in the references, so next time just tell me what the correct highest denomination is and dont get upset, I dont put unvarified information in the articles, it's just I may put in the source later, Tata. Enlil Ninlil 05:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hay mate Im new at these info box, I got the info from the CIA, but I see it is used when fixed. Will change. Enlil Ninlil 06:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yer mate and the Lao Kip dont use the smaller notes too and I wouldnt mention the coins of 10, 20 and 50 att as they definatly dont circulat, they are of too low a value. Maybe like the U.S 1 cent the 1, 2 and 5 fen dont circulat but they are still issued by the central bank. I fix up my mistakes eventually as you can see from most of the articles I creat. Please tell me the real problem? I dont intend to upset u mate, can we co-operat? Enlil Ninlil 06:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok the first your right, but I wont put outdated currency in the info box, only issued currency. Enlil Ninlil 08:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
"The currency is the Guinean franc (GNF), which is not tied to any international currency and cannot be converted or taken out of Guinea."
I believe I have asked you this before, but is the Liechtenstein frank really the currency of Liechtenstein? I thought that the Swiss franc was. – Zntrip 01:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Is the Liechtenstein frank still minted? I think that should be taken into consideration too. – Zntrip 02:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
The edit is not good, I use windows XP and the image covers the script, so dont preach just fix ha, dont message me again. Enlil Ninlil 22:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Just something to keep ya busy! :)
It still makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to put the icon in when there is only one other language in which the name is given. Circeus 03:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I am doing my best but sometimes I dont have all the information, like iso_code, inflation_rate, symbol, nickname, mint etc , but I am doing my best , please have some patients with me as I dont know anything about computer programming nor do I want too. Where do you get your information from? I dont like doing things over more than once like you dont. Thankyou Enlil Ninlil 03:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I rolled back this edit of yours because the change was pointless and IMO wrong (stub templates are content of this page and this wiki and should therefore come before the links to other pages), and also because the edit summary was completely off (no actual inter wiki sorting was done). --Joy [shallot] 22:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Mark der DDR/East German Mark
I know that mark in German is always capitalized. But a currency unit should not be capitalized in English. See Talk:German mark. And during the process of "reverting the move", you also revert some of the content... --Chochopk 00:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I am aware of the double-redirect problem. Apparently, we both did some mistakes. Before today, there was no double redirect. After you move it to "Mark", you moved the destination of "Mark der DDR" but omitted "DDR". I looked at "what links here" before moving, and found that DDR was double redirect, so I assume you omitted the process entirely, and did not carry on further.
And if you think "Mark" is the way to go, then for consistency, that applies to German mark, Reichmark, Renrenmark, Papiermark as well. All should be changed. But let's reach a consensus first before such massive change. --Chochopk 01:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The general consensus is to use <country's adjective form in English> <currency name in local form>. The denomination should be lower case, because it is a unit. And when writing the content, generally use the local language's grammar for plural (you never heard 1 USD = 111 Japanese yens). There has been a heated debate long time ago. But I don't have a problem with capitalizing Mark, as capitalization is part of a language's grammar. But if that is the way to go, then I think German reichmark should be renamed German Reichmark. You can try messaging the people in that discussion, or amending the discussion of German mark. What about pfennig? (I don't speak German). --Chochopk 01:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Admitted, the leu is pegged to the euro. Danielsavoiu 10:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for improving the forint coinbox. What do you think about adding the thickness data of the coins? ‰ (or /1000) is more widely used than % in the case of giving the Ag or Au content of an alloy. So I think 500 ‰ (or 500/1000) would be better than 50 %.
I would like to create a "Hungarian currency" or "Hungarian money" article including the history of the Hungarian monetary system from the early ages to recent times (and maybe future prospects). It would be much easier to overview the historical relations, and through the links (to forint, pengő) more details would be available on a certain currency system.
--22.214.171.124 11:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I have uploaded a few korona bill scans (1,2,10,20,100,1000). Is this resolution okay? (150dpi) --Timur lenk 21:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey! The Hungarian National Bank has a library, so I will look up the correct inflation rates (When I have a bit more time). But the 500-times inflation is not irreal: it has happened that prices increased 10 times from morning till noon and again 10 times till the afternoon. And the day was still not over...--Timur lenk 12:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow, it looks great now! And I still owe you with correct dates and inflation rates...Timur lenk 09:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Sri Lankan Banknotes and Coins
If you have images and information about Sri Lankan banknotes, coins [both recent, ancient and also Portuguese, Dutch (V.O.C), British periods], could you please contribute to the article/upload them to the Sri Lanka Rupee Wikipedia pages. Many Thanks for formatting some of the mistakes in the page.
Cheers and All the Very Best.
Anil --126.96.36.199 01:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
-- Thanks a lot for your message in NO TIME. Can I use the images of Sri Lanka currency in existing web pages in the Internet ? What about the copy right issue ?
Cheers Anil --188.8.131.52 02:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Franc changes and other currency symbol edits
I'm fairly new to editing on Wikipedia so forgive me if I don't understand how the Talk thing is supposed to be used.
The information on the symbols for the various Francs is partly based on the page http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/currency_table.html, but I've been checking to see if there is any other support for the abbreviations there as the various sources don't always agree.
If you had a specific example in mind that you're interested in, I should be able to tell you why I thought it should be changed. --Ajhoughton 21:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll update the list of circulating currencies as you request, though it'd make sense for me to do this when I've finished since I've been making my own list of currency information (that's why I'm changing things :-) --Ajhoughton 21:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the ₭ sign is a defined Unicode symbol, but I wasn't sure whether it predated "New Kip" or not, or whether KN should be written using ₭, or whether the local custom is actually to write just ₭ most of the time. Basically I wondered whether KN was really only KN because westerners like me can't easily type ₭ :-) --Ajhoughton 22:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
List of Currencies
The best place for the list of currencies to appear is on currencies. It'll only be difficult to maintain if people don't put new creation there. The split up lists shouldn't have been created in the first place. They're part of the problem, not the solution. Do you have any other reason not to have the list where it first was?
The change I reverted was a malformed wikilink. I was doing recent changes patrol, so I probably didn't see the other article, it probably flew off the recent changes list before I could catch it. Feel free to revert me, mistakes happen. :) RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 06:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The successor-prececessor table of article "German mark"
Hiya. I'm wondering why you reverted the change I did to the successor-prececessor table of article German mark. As it was, and is now again, the table suggests that the East German mark existed parallel to the reichsmark and the rentenmark, whereas the reality is, of course, that both the (West) German mark and the East German mark are successors to the reichsmark and the rentenmark. My edit reflected this accurately. Would you consider re-reverting the edit based on this argument? --Teemu Leisti 22:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The "Ethiopian birr model"
You suggested to use this model in some cases. In my opinion, it is okay to include a territory in the current part succession box that has some autonomous rights (especially the right to have its own currency, like pre-2006 Montenegro or present-day Kosovo). Therefore, in the case of Ethiopian birr, it makes sense to speak about currency of Eritrea between 1952-1960 and between 1993-1997. between 1960-1993, only Ethiopian administration existed, Eritrea had neither sovereignty nor any sort of autonomous rights. (Saying in 1978 that the currency of Eritrea is the birr is like saying in 2006 that the currency of East Germany is the euro.) The same case of Austria between 1938-1945. Even Ukraine and Belarus represents the same situation during their Soviet Union "membership", however, both countries had more or less autonomy and were members of the UN since 1945.
I have the fear that the innumerable border modifications in Europe during the XXth century will make huge and complicated succession boxes. For example, after WWII, Slovakia got back not only its Southern territories (Which the 1st Vienna Award awarded to Hungary in 1938), but three villages near to Pozsony / Bratislava (Horvátjárfalu / Jarovce, Oroszvár / Rusovce, Dunacsúny / Cunovo) were awarded to Slovakia (Treaty of Paris) due to strategic considerations. One could say that who cares with three villages, but this territory was part of Hungary between the two world wars - and it is not much smaller than Muraköz (Medimurje)...
So I don't think each territorial change must be mentioned in the succession box. Only mention if the currency of a new country / state / autonomous province etc. (so a state-like subject that has the right to circulate its own currency) appears without precedessor (like Eritrean nakfa after split from Ethiopia in 1993, but unlike Ethiopian birr after split of Eritrea) or disappears without successor (like East German mark after the reunificaton of Germany in 1990, but unlike West-German mark after the reunification).
For example, German mark or deutschmark was the currency of the Federal Republic of Germany between 1948-2001. It would express that East Germany was simply integrated into West-Germany (contrary to the widely used "reunification" term), at least from the point of view of the circulating currency. It would also express that Germany is not the successor state of West Germany but the same country with an enlarged territory.
In the case of the pengő, I would simply say that it was the currency of Hungary between 1 Jan 1927 and 31 Jul 1946. Northern Transylvania, Southern Slovakia and Bácska was totally incorporated into the Hungarian administration. Subcarpathia enjoyed some autonomy, but it was very little and cannot be compared to the rights of then-Yugoslav federal states, present day US states or German federal states.
Naturally, this is only my opinion, I would like to know your thoughts. --Timur lenk 01:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
for the welcome. I'm eager to jump right back in, but am trying to restrain myself, at least a bit. If there's anything particular you'd like help with, let me know. Ingrid 20:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't clarify. I was speaking about changing the unit names to upper case. I hope this clears things up. Happy wiki'ing. Johann Wolfgang 17:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
...is an article waiting to be written by you, wouldn't you agree? (Frankly, I'd personally just love to have a list of all currency pegs with actual sources and citations, that's why I'm asking you. ;)) —Nightstallion (?) 13:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Currency and whatnot
Hey, sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you. I had originally planned on getting back to you when I stopped being extremely sick, but it ended taking longer than I thought and I ended up forgeting that I needed to reply back to you.
Anyways, I am glad to see that someone else on Wikipedia enjoys currency (paper money) topics. I must say, good job on the Infobox Currency template! Also, let me know what you think of the template:Obsolete U.S. currency and coinage template. My reason for not puting the Federal Reserve Bank Note and other related topics in the same template as the template:US currency and coinage is that I thought it would be too cluttered.
And I haven't seen the movie Catch Me If You Can, but since it takes place in the '60s they probably did use United States Notes in that movie. It's interesting that they did something like that instead of using a cliqué such as all the money being Federal Reserve Notes.
North Korean Central Bank
您好啊. I noticed that you said the Central Bank doesn't issue the visitors' notes. If so, then I would like to bring to your attention an error in the North Korean Wŏn page, stating, "North Korean wŏn are intended exclusively for North Korean citizens, and the Central Bank issues a separate currency (or foreign exchange certificates) for visitors, like many other socialist states." Please fix this. 謝謝. Respectfully, 阮願龍/Ionius Mundus 04:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Simpsons image on your user page
Hi, I removed that image because it is fair use and according to Wikipedia policies cannot be used outside article namespace. Cheers, Renata 10:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
There is not currently a watchlist for Exonumia, but I can create one easily enough, and will put it on my to do list. I had trouble figuring out what to tag in Category:Orders and decorations, since some of the orders don't have an associated medal, but they're not in separate categories (which is all the bot uses to tell what belongs). So, if someone wants to put in the effort to figure out what should be tagged, I can finish the tagging. Otherwise, I'll just make the watchlist. Antarctican dollar is a tough one. I guess it's technically exonumia, but it could also be considered numismatics since it is semi-official. I'd be inclined to leave it with numismaticnotice, since I think it's interesting and others in the project probably do too (exonumianotice was created to de-clutter the numismatics project). Ingrid 14:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
"No plural" on Infobox Currency template
The "no_plural" option on Template:Infobox Currency puts out "The language(s) of this currency does not have the concept of plural." This statement is ambiguous as to whther it refers only to the native name for the currency or to the English name. E.g., it is certainly true that the Chinese forms of the New Taiwan dollar and the Macanese pataca don't have plurals but English has dollars and patacas.
Taiwanese for 塊
It's definitely a marginal character but here are some citations:
彙音寶鑑 by 沈富進 gives the pronunciation as kho· and 商用台語 by 吳秀麗, 常用漢字臺語詞典 by 許極燉, and 台湾語会話 by 樋口 靖 specifically translate it as such. In English, Macgowan's English and Chinese Dictionary of the Amoy Language lists it under numerals and classifiers as "for dollars, bundles of firewood." Online examples here:  and here: . 塊 would be tè and not kho· in Taiwanese.
Not to detract from 林語堂's excellent dictionary you cited, but he is only providing the Mandarin meanings for the characters.
06:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't aware that WP:UE had been suspended for currency units. However, if the rule "use the local name for the denomination even if there's an English translation. If the currency name contains non-ASCII characters, use them..." is followed, the article name should be Chinese 文? - 08:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
About the infoboxes, (and I am being more careful now :) I was wondering if I could make a suggestion. For the section on coins and banknotes, I think it would be more helpful if the subunits and main units were put on different lines. This way it would prevent run-on (i.e. 1, 5, 10, 25, 50 centavos, 1, 2, and 5 pesos).
Another comment (more of a question) is: What should be put for bills that extend into the thousands? For example, in a list of banknotes (200, 300, 400, 500, 1,000 dollars) the comma in the thousand will look weird. Should the other commas be replaced with semicolons or should the comma be removed? – Zntrip 05:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your pointer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Sandbox/Succession.
I wasn't really planning on updating more succession boxes, I stumbled upon the Dutch Guilder and the French Franc, since these have been currency in my country, Belgium.
I wasn't really pleased with the result of my edits, certainly not at French franc. In fact, I had been looking at template:succession box to see if there was a better solution. I had already given up, so now I'm glad that you guys are working on a lasting solution.
I have a suggestion for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics (which you of course can take or leave) : I would create today a template:currency succession box, that for the time being can be a mere copy of template:succession box. On the template page, you could point towards your Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics, to give interested editors more info about what you are planning. --LucVerhelst 08:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I've seen it. Since I don't feel much support on restructuring the złoty article, and I am not an expert to rewrite it - the best would be to move the banknote box to the historical site and replace the current. I'll do it and if you don't like you are free revert.
I still think that the current Polish złoty is rather a Money of Poland article. If a Polish numismatic expert will make efforts to expand the article, it can be restructured later into articles corresponding to the certain money systems.Timur lenk 09:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, those new categories will make a good solution! Timur lenk 14:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, there was a poll on denomination capitalization. I know I've missed it, but want to ask if the result means that German names should be written non-capitalized. In general, I agree with the result, but there's an other principle we follow: to use lokal forms. In the case of German money names (Mark, Krone), if we really want to follow lokal names, we should keep them capitalized (in German all nouns are capitalized).Timur lenk 07:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I am aware that I came a bit late, and I really don't wanna mess up things. If we had the principle that we use local money name (I don't know how widely this is accepted), we should use Mark. And we make article names of the English adjective and the native noun, like Vietnamese đồng. Who opposed, said this is English Wikipedia (which means to use English ortography and no diacritical signs).
To be consistent, I wanna know, how shall I write then Austro-Hungarian Krone/korona? And it should be also considered that Krone and korona were equally used.
Name in article:
I checked some bilingual countries: FIM is under the title "Finnish mark", but referred to as markka throughout the article; CHF is franc (not Franken or franco) both in the title and the article; BEF is franc (not frank or Franken) both in the title and the article; IEP is pound (not punt); CYP is pound (not lira, although English is not official, see Cyprus); MTL is lira (not pound, although English is official, see Malta).Timur lenk 18:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that User:Dove1950 reverted non-capitalized German money names to capitalized. If this is okay (I think so) I will use Krone and Gulden in the corresponding articles, okay?Timur lenk 21:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Thought she did so with your consent. German mark, South German gulden, Danzig gulden, Austro-Hungarian guldenTimur lenk 23:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
List of numismatic associations of the world
I think such a list would be very useful, and would be a base for the creation of articles on national numismatic associations.Timur lenk 19:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
In Romanian there does not exist the leter "ö". Furthermore, on the banknotes that I have there is written: "penghei" (or "penghel") as a translation in Romanian. So, I not just think, I am convinced that the change should remain.
I wrote "PENGŐ" because I have a one pengő banknote, and the indication of value is "UNA PENGŐ" (see ).
However, there must have been some uncertainity around the orthography of value in Romanian. The form "PENGEI" was used on the first and second series of pengő bills. On both the 1938 low denomination series and the 1936-41 war series "PENGŐ" was used on the 1, 2 and 5 P bills, while "PENGEI" on the 10 and 20 P bills. For the first time, on the 1943 1000 P bill "PENGHEI" is used. Then, an all inflation series pengő bills with indication of value in ethnic languages the "PENGHEI" form is used (excpept for the 50 and 100 P bills which were reprints of the 1926 versions and thus using "PENGEI"). Since the only contemporary source with the Romanian equivalent for "PENGŐ" in singular is the above mentioned 1938 1 P bill, I decided to use it.
I know that there's no "Ő" in Romanian (like English). However, the "PENGŐ" was used as a singular, and then they tried to create plural forms somehow...
Moreover, I saw that Romanian wikipedia uses "Pengő" as article title, so I don't se any cause to change it. Timur lenk 00:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, what's your humble opinion on the heading that I created for the war series pengő banknotes?Timur lenk 00:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Or (physical) parameters?Timur lenk 11:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be standardized what data to be indicated in the banknote and coin boxes and in what order.Timur lenk 12:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Is there a banknote infobox template (like for the coins)Timur lenk 09:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Yep, it is okay to move now. The start date could be 1st Jan 1927.Timur lenk 05:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I will look it up somewhere. As far as I know, according to the Treaty of Saint Germaine, Banknotes had to be overstamped from 1 Jan 1919. That's why I chose 31 dec 1918 as end date for A-H krone. The situation was so chaotik then, it will be hard to find an exact date...Timur lenk 08:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes you're right. The coin was minted in 1936 (as can be seen on the obverse of the coin). I will correct the issue date.Timur lenk 18:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
CIA World Factbook
The official name (when it’s printed) is The World Factbook (even though “factbook” isn’t a word :P). The correct way to source inflation rates from a The World Factbook would be like this: The World Factbook, 2005 – Zntrip 00:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The World Factbook is the name of the publication. Adding “CIA” to the front is unnecessary. There could even be a link to The World Factbook Wikipedia article or a link to the CIA Web site. – Zntrip 01:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I used the 1991 data instead of the 1993, cause the former refers to whole Czechoslovakia, while the latter only to the Czech Rep.Timur lenk 08:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
You gotta revert em, it appears working when in template. When in seperate articles, that has mis-matching titles, it doesnt work. --Oblivious 12:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Edit/revert in 'Brittish halfpenny coin
Thank you for your efforts to keep wikipedia clean. However, this edit was valid. Previous editing had broken the sentence's grammar. I was fixing this by changing 'than' to 'then'. I also _did_ leave an edit summary: It was 'minor typo', which I thought represented my change. I have reinstated my edit: however, if you re-revert it, I will leave the article unchanged.Robbak 05:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe that Manx banknotes were already referenced under sterling banknotes... Mauls 22:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message and for letting me use your template. I do have an interest in currencies but I also think that the pound is significant enough to be on the exchange rate section of all currencies. The main reasons are:
Major trade currency 3rd reserve currency behind USD and EUR (and increasing in importance as central banks diversify) The highest valued OECD currency.
As to the positioning of the rate, I didn't stick to any specific order. I thought about doing it in the order of the base rate hierarchy (2nd), reserve states (3rd) or Economic status (4th) but generally I put it in 3rd position.
I found out that British Pound redirects to Pound sterling but I was copying and pasting so I didn't bother to change it.
Thanks for the message, and let me know what plans you have. As an additional point, the Yen wasn't on all the tables so you'll probably have to add it to around half of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsh1985 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 18 September 2006
I would like to thankyou for your kind comments on the Pakistani rupee talk page. I try to do my best :). Also, if you were interested, the PKR 1 and 2 coins are quite really used today. --Fast track 00:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Possible update to the Exchange Rate template
Greetings. I have mirrored the Exchange Rate template and have made a change that might be better than what was set up originally. The way it is set up, the 'to' was set to be the currency page (IE, if the page were about the Euro, from=xxx to=EUR), however I think having the from be the currency of the page (from=EUR to=xxx) would be more logical. You can check out the changes here, User:KyraVixen/Sandbox/ExchRate, and an example of the template in use is here, User:KyraVixen/Sandbox. Any comments would be appreciated. Kyra~(talk) 19:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)