User talk:Chrisjj

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Hello there Chris welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you ever need editing help visit Wikipedia:How does one edit a page or how to format them visit our manual of style. Experiment at Wikipedia:Sandbox. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump or my talk page. Cheers, Muriel Gottrop

Hi. Obviously you're an expert as you live in St Neots. But why did you change the link on the St Neots page from Saint Neot back to St Neot (which is a redirect page). The page for the saint is at Saint Neot, just like Saint Andrew and Saint George and all the other saints. Mintguy 07:22, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Mintguy. Thanks for helping with this. I changed it because I'm a Wikipedia newbie and didn't realise that the saint entries should follow the Saint George style; 'St' seemed more natural. I'll change it back to 'Saint' in a mo. Can we get rid of the redirect page or are we stuck with it? (I guess it does no harm!)
Chrisjj 6 Sep 2003
Is there an official policy on "St" and "St."? Since it is an contraction, I would have thought that the version with the full stop is the correct one, since this punctuation mark represents the missing portion of the word (similarly Mr., etc.). 80.255 01:11, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Yes, there is a policy I think (though I, myself, haven't checked). It seems that the full word, 'Saint' is standard in Wikipedia for the names of the saints themselves, and 'St' without the dot is the standard for place names in English. Unless someone else knows different!
And it seems to me that Mr and Mrs don't usually have dots either in standard modern English. They seem to have faded gradually from use in the 1980s. Most of the business letters I get today are to 'Mr CJ Jefferies' whereas when I was young they'd have been to 'Mr. C.J. Jefferies'. Language usage evolves, dictionaries, encyclopaediae, and books on grammar just try to keep up!Chris Jefferies 12 Dec 2003
Whenever I see Mr. it always has a dot; there's a fine line between people's being lazy and language's changing! The dot can certainly be officially absent in some place names, used extensively without it, however, whether or not it is technically correct or not. The same applies to genitive apostrophes - I daresay your town was once St. Neot's. 80.255 03:10, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I'm sure you're right, it would have been 'St. Neots' until, perhaps, the 1970s, and in 1500 it was probably 'Saint Neots'. But as far as Mr/Mr. goes, check some recent business letters - utility bills, car service invoices and receipts, I think you'll find I'm right. It's easy to see what you expect to see instead of what's really there.
Of course, spelling and grammar are not created by business letters, but they do evolve, often through laziness or by common errors taking hold. 'Correct' spelling and grammar are defined by common usage. As in most aspects of life (dare I say even county definitions), people mean what they mean, not always what we'd like them to mean! That's why dictionaries, grammars, and encyclopaedias have the role, not of defining meaning but of recording it. Chris Jefferies 08:32, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I believe the convention is that if a contraction uses the first few letters of a word (like 'Prof.' for 'Professor'), then you put a dot. However, if it uses the first and last letter of a word (like 'St' or 'Mr'), then no dot is necessary. This can also help to differentiate between 'street' and 'saint' - 'St.' is street and 'St' is saint. It could be that this is more of a matter of personal opinion that actual correctness, but this is the system I follow.

Hi Chris, I just noticed that you deleted my little joke under the Cirencester page (e.g., "people who are resistant to change like lawyers"). Did I offend someone? -- llywrch 23:43, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

That's probably my fault. I noticed your edits around the area, and decided to write a little article about this town, if only to note it has a funny pronunciation. Should have realised you might be doing one yourself. ;) Morwen 13:01, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Chris, just so you know, the counties issue is a real hot potato. 80.255 is a contibutor I've clashed with more than once: he's fought on this before and the current usage (as exemplified at Godmanchester) though awkward and desperately unclear to the average reader, is the furthest compromise he will allow. I personally feel that 80.255 is probably not willing to discuss this, but I wish you the best of luck. Frankly, I think that 80.255's insistence on this issue is harmful to WP, because it leaves us with a multitude of confusing articles that desperately try to keep afloat a county scheme that is long forgotten, something like converting all prices into the old system in a London cafe--"that'll be 10 of the traditional shillings (or just 50p from the coins in your purse)". And I say this as an Anglophile who loves the old counties and old English pound as much as anyone...possibly even 80.255. I'll keep an eye on the discussion, and we'll both hope for the best, eh? Jwrosenzweig 00:49, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Firstly, I have never refused to discuss this matter - on the contrary, in fact; I have many times requested that it be discussed, to no avail. I've noticed an increasing number of allegations floating around that I'm "not prepared to discuss" this matter - none of which have any basis whatsoever in fact, as far as I can see...
Secondly, the C/county system is inherently confusing, and this confusion is expedated by inexact references to and lack of deliniation between traditional Counties and administrative counties. More to the point, however, ask yourself this: what is more important in an encyclopaedia - avoiding "confusion" at all costs, or providing correct and factual information? No doubt all articles would be far less "confusing" if the latter weren't abided by!
Thirdly: you comparison with 'old money' is false. The £/s/d system was abolished; this is not debatable. The Government issued no official, categorical statement that it was not abolished - whereas exactly such a statement was made with regard to the traditional Counties. As I have said many times before, this is a point of fact and not an opinion.
My apologies to Chrisjj for posting what is in effect a third-party discuession on this talk page; there seems to be a lot of whispering going on against me 'behind closed doors' and I'm not prepared to allow such whisperings to go unchallenged! 80.255 03:03, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for your note about the hot potato. To give 80.255 due credit, he seems to me to be discussing the subject in a perfectly sensible and civilised way. And also, he's responded to my request to stop changing county articles - I'm grateful to him for leaving alone the articles I was working on and have changed back.
Until proved wrong I shall assume he means well and is prepared to join the debate and abide by whatever policy may be agreed on at the end of the process. Thanks 80.255! BTW, I hate to refer to you by half an IP address, would you like to share your given name, or do you prefer anonymity? Chris Jefferies 12 Dec 2003
I am, as I have evidenced several times, quite prepared to abide by a reasonable compromise whereby true and factual information prevails. I'm not prepared to allow misimformation, however, which is what some people seem to want (nor will I submit to tyranny of the majority view if this view is plainly at odds with the facts). However, the question seems mainly concerned with how information is systematically organised, rather than the facts themselves (although some people have a tendency to ignore facts when it suits them!). It is clear that unnecessary confusion can result when a single article attempt to deal with 3 or more different entities all known (in some form or another) as 'counties'; the only solution I can see to this is the creation of seperate articles covering each distinct meaning (as occurs in virtually every other case in wikipedia), and as can be seen at Gloucestershire, and several of the Welsh Counties. I have consistently suggested that this obviously successful system be put in place for all other counties (see my talk page); unfortunately, some people have again opposed this without offering arguments against it nor agreeing to discuss the matter in a sensible manner.
I'm quite happy to make no edits to the articles that you've mentioned for the time being; you strike me as being a reasonable person, so I'll assume this isn't simply a stalling tactic! However, to resolve those matters in particular, I'd like to know your reasoning on reverting.
Thanks, 80.255 03:03, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
To deal first with your last paragraph, you and I simply don't agree on what is correct. You claim that logical argument demonstrates a once and for all correctness which Wikipedia should adhere to. I claim that Wikipedia should take current common usage as its guide. We need to find a way to agree, or failing that a way to agree to disagree. Meanwhile we'd both be foolish if we indulged in an edit war.
On the more general points I think there may be some misunderstanding about the governance of Wikipedia. If there is to be a policy on placenames it will come through open discussion, possibly followed by some sort of vote. But first we need to agree that there should be a policy, otherwise no policy can ever be put in place!
So I'm worried when I read about the 'tyranny of the majority view'. Surely tyranny is when a minority view (or even the view of one person) is forced upon multitudes who disagree. That's what a tyrant is. The majority view, whether correct or incorrect, is not tyranny, it is democracy! A tyranny depends upon the one or the few having some kind of power which enables them to force their view (correct or incorrect) on the majority.
Best of all is full agreement. Everybody is happy. Sometimes no amount of discussion achieves this happy state and the best that can be managed is agreement by all to accept the majority view, which may include a record of the remaining points of difference.
If we don't begin by accepting that consensus is best, that the majority view is second best, and that tyranny is worst, we will get nowhere. And this is often the point at which the majority feel the best and only way is to block further contributions from tyrants. Surprisingly, the main objective with Wikipedia is not that it should be correct, but that it should be realistic and as correct as possible. Where we can't agree what is correct, we need articles that explain there are two or more points of view, say what they are, and set out the main arguments for and against. But this should be done once and in one place. Other articles can refer across when necessary.
So can we begin by agreeing that consensus and the majority view have priority over correctness whenever parties disagree over what is, in fact, correct? If we can't agree that point, we do have a bit of a problem. Chris Jefferies 10:01, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

This discussion has been copied to the Naming conventions Talk page - please continue it there, not here! Thanks, Chris Jefferies 11:09, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hello Chris, Please don't post comments on my (or probably anyone else's) user page; I've moved them (and replied) on my talk page. Thanks, 80.255 01:07, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, Talk is where I meant to put them. My mistake - DOH! Chris Jefferies 11 Dec 2003

Counties policy[edit]

Hello I have added an explanation note to the counties naming policy at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (places). I have done this to make it clearer because certain people have insisted upon mis-interpreting it (see Shipston-on-Stour and Talk:Gloucestershire). I dont think it has changed the policy just explained it better.

It has already been OK'd by User:Angela and User:Warofdreams, is it OK with you?. The reason I'm contacting you is because you voted on the original policy. G-Man 17:08, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)


  • Image:Wittgenstein2.jpg - A declaration concerning the copy right would be appreciated. -- Simplicius 00:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:KingsCollege.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks, Kbh3rd 04:15, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added a Creative Commons Share alike licence. Chris Jefferies 13:32, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the note[edit]

Hi Chris - thanks for the note - I do have a tendancy to jump in with two left feet - must curb that - it's hard being bold but not daft! All the best - kind regards :) Brookie:A glow in the dark 13:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Chris - thanks for the further note - best not to understand - just follow it! :) Brookie:The grass on the hill 19:38, 5 May 2005 (UTC)


I've noticed your spat with Owain. From my experience he seems to be intent on completely ignoring the policy and adding "X is in the traditional county of" to just about every Welsh town (look at the history of Cardiff, Porthmadog, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Welshpool) I've tried arguing with him but to no avail. He doesn't seem to understand that he cant just ignore the policy because he doesn't agree with it, and keeps arguing over old ground.

Frankly I'm fairly exasperated with endless reverts, I dont know whether you have any ideas to deal with him, as arguing seems to get nowhere. G-Man 18:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's a bit of a problem. I'm still not happy with the St Ives article. Owain has a way of laying off for a bit and then sneaking back and reintroducing a traditional county when he thinks no-one is looking. I am exasperated too. Chris Jefferies 23:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

UK geography COTM[edit]

Hi all, July's collaboration of the month is Northumberland, which needs quite a lot more work than last month's. I've listed some basic places to start on Talk:Northumberland, and will get to work looking up the statistics this week. (If you're not interested in further COTM updates, amend your listing in the table on WP:UK geo.) Joe D (t) 30 June 2005 22:58 (UTC)

Counties argument[edit]

See the argument going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography. G-Man 5 July 2005 21:24 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I'm in the middle of writing a contribution as I reply to your note above! Thanks for pointing it out. Chris Jefferies 5 July 2005 21:30 (UTC)

Take a look at what Owain has been doing at Middlesex and Herefordshire. He has also been adding a traditional counties infobox to numerous counties. Which looks suspiciously like a subtle attempt at POV pushing. G-Man 19:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

And I see you've been having a bit of a battle over Herefordshire. I've been out of circulation for a while, but I'll put a watch on both these county articles now. Thanks for letting me know and thanks also for your hard work on everything from articles on UK places to naming policy discussions. You are much appreciated (by me at least)! Chris Jefferies 09:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

UK location tool[edit]

Hi Chris, Could you direct me to the really easy Wikipedia mechanism for adding an outline map of the UK with any chosen place marked by a dot you mentioned on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places), please? --Cavrdg 20:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh dear, I've just checked it out and it's not as easy as I thought :-( Looks as if I made some faulty assumptions. The syntax below works (open this page in edit mode to see the code), but someone has generated the images in advance. I'd assumed you passed it co-ordinates as parameters and it generated the map image on the fly. But no - so it'll only work for places that have been set up already.

{{GBdot|Cirencester - Gloucestershire}} {{GBdot|St Neots - Cambridgeshire}} {{GBdot|Bedford - Bedfordshire}} Chris Jefferies 20:25, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I'll read all the stuff about it at User talk:Lupin ... tomorrow, I think. --Cavrdg 21:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


Take a look at Shipston-on-Stour the history and the talk page. G-Man 22:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

response to you comments[edit]

As it's sometimes considered bad form to get into 'third-party' arguments on other users' talk pages, I'm responding to your comments made to me on User_talk:Owain here:

'twist', 'unique interpretation', "policy", 'silly', 'libel', 'hell'? Wow, that's quite a lot of strong language and hardly chosen to calm things down so we can come to a consensus.

I didn't consider that G-Man's activities on the Shipston article were in any designed to 'calm things down'. Although the article was completely in compliance with current policy, he insisted on repeatedly adding a piece of completely unsubstantiated POV for, as far as I could judge, the sole reason of peeving me and starting an edit war, despite repeated attempts at compromise on my part. Yes, I do believe he is 'twisting' the policy, although he has accused me of exactly the same thing, using exactly the same word, so I don't feel that your criticism of my using the word 'twist' is very even-handed!

[Note: I provided extensive evidence to back my statement up which 80,255 dismissed, see Talk:Shipston-on-Stour G-Man 21:38, 17 August 2005 (UTC) ]
I agree with G-Man's view of the policy and that alone demonstrates it's not a unique interpretation.

Several people can hold the same unique view - it is unique because it differs from all other views.

By the way, I don't see how he can have libelled a county, what a very strange idea!

I was speaking figuratively, of course. I felt (and still feel) that he was attempting to deliberately downplay and disparage the historic county for reasons solely pertaining to his own POV.

It would be good if we could all approach this difficult issue calmly and politely. That's the only hope any of us have of reaching a resolution and avoiding harm to this wonderful project called Wikipedia. Please, take it easy.

I agree that calmness and politeness are indeed needed. Tell me, do you think that the following comment is constructive?

"I have absolutely no desire to have this argument again" [reference to discussion attempting to find a consensus] - G-Man 21:06, 22 July 2005.
[Note: Quote taken completely out of context G-Man 21:38, 17 August 2005 (UTC)]

Or his recent comment to User:Owain (3 July 2005 11:26):

"Yes Owain, as I suspected you really are out of touch with reality."

Or his recent ad hominem attack on me, completely behind my back:

"[..] there are a few people who dont, and are quite fanatical. And unfortunately we need a relatively prescriptive policy to stop them from wreaking havoc [..]" (G-Man 19:42, 1 August 2005)
[Note: See the talk page above, 80,255 has done exactly the same thing to me and several other people G-Man 21:38, 17 August 2005 (UTC)]

— not exactly calm and polite! And whereas I grant you that I do use strong (piquant) statements from time to time, I do not feel that it is fair to characterise me as being the sole perpetrator of such statement-making. Although you, differing in your own POV, probably don't notice it, I do get an awful lot of provocation from some people on this matter and, believe me, I excercise a great deal of restraint in my responses to it! 80.255 00:03, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

This was originally posted on your user page by mistake.
Hi, don't worry about the accidental post to my user page, and thanks for tidying it up and reposting here. It's a mistake I've made myself in the past and easily done.
You wrote, 'I didn't consider that G-Man's activities on the Shipston article were in any [way] designed to 'calm things down'. But you're not responsible for G-Man's actions, we are each responsible for our own. There is clearly a deep, deep division between the way G-Man and I understand the history of UK counties and the way you and Owain do. The rest of the Wikipedia world will have opinions of their own or (in many cases) just won't care. If you and I can be polite and tone things down as much as possible, that will set a good example. Thanks for your post here on my talk page which does set an excellent example. I appreciate it. Feelings can run high when we can't agree, and sometimes we all say things we later regret (I know I have :-(
'Several people can hold the same unique view - it is unique because it differs from all other views.' By this definition all views are unique, no matter how many people hold them. I thought you were implying that G-Man was alone in his view.
'I felt (and still feel) that he was attempting to deliberately downplay and disparage the historic county for reasons solely pertaining to his own POV.' Apart from the word 'disparage' I agree with you. And of course you and Owain are attempting to deliberately emphasise the historic county for reasons solely pertaining to your own point of view. That's natural, of course people want to support their own point of view, who wouldn't?
'I agree that calmness and politeness are indeed needed. Tell me, do you think that the following comment is constructive?' Well, I'm not going to discuss G-Man's actions or motives here. We all need to be calm and polite, please tell me if you think I cross this boundary in future, I will try hard not to. If you have problems with G-Man's approach I suggest you discuss those with him yourself.
Let's hope that as Wikipedians we can all come to consensus, if necessary improve the policy document, and then all abide by it. Several of us have declared in advance that we will abide by the current policy or any future one, even if we disagree with it. If I feel the policy is faulty I'll work to get it changed again of course, but meanwhile I will abide by it. Can I ask you, too, to make the same declaration? It's on the policy talk page.
Thanks. Chris Jefferies 13:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry for butting in, but I've added the above notes, to set the record straight. But if people are going to make accusations against me, I feel it is right to have my chance to answer them.

And 80,255 no I am not trying to to deliberately downplay and disparage the historic county for reasons solely pertaining to my own POV. I am merely attempting to ensure that the WP adequatly reflects the de facto reality, and does not display misleading or confusing information. G-Man 21:38, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

G-Man, you are most welcome to comment here on my talk page. I don't regard it as butting in at all. Chris Jefferies 10:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Counties, etc.: A suggestion for consensus[edit]

I've posted a suggestion that should help resolve this dispute at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places)#Suggestion for consensus. Please have a look. Thanks, 80.255 18:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I think you have been a little disingenuous in your example of Huntingdon, well written as it is. "Huntingdon is in [the Anglo-saxon Kingdom]] of East Anglia" is hardly useful. "Milton Keynes is in [the Kingdom of] Mercia" is just silly. Bedford is in the East of England Region but was (probably) in Mercia too. Eaton Scocon doesn't bear thinking about - the Ouse has probably moved in that amount of time! But I'm not convinced that it is a swing issue to the debate, hence posting here rather than on the Naming Conventions page. --Concrete Cowboy 15:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
If this is addressed to me, please reply on my talk page. I have not touched the Huntingdon article recently. The East Anglia business was between Owain and Chrisjj. Personally, I agree with you about anglo saxon kingdoms (especially nonsense terms like 'northumbria'!); however they are commonly used to refer to vague areas. Perhaps it might be better to have an East Anglia (geographic area) article seperate from the article that deals with the ancient kingdom? Either way, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up with me, because I had nothing to do with this! 80.255 16:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

UK geography COTM[edit]

OK, so I finally found time for some Wikipeding (after about five months of Northumberland!) and have picked Nottinghamshire for the next COTM. I've added a to do list to the talk page and have already started work adding some of the basic data. Joe D (t) 04:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC) P.S. To stop receiving updates, unsubscribe at WP:UK geo.

Hi, the new COTM is Norfolk! Joe D (t) 23:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, this month's COTM is Dartmoor. I have added some suggestions to Talk:Dartmoor to get things started. Joe D (t) 01:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC) (P.S., if you don't want to continue getting COTM updates, just change your settings at WP:UK geo.)

The WP:UK geo collaboration of the month for October 2006 is Rutland. 80N 20:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC) (P.S., if you don't want to continue getting COTM updates, just change your settings at WP:UK geo.)

Changing subjects[edit]

Could you please take a look at a couple of pages related to the term gates? I am writing you because you have edited a few times the Sluice article. I was looking for some technical information about gates and found: 1. in architecture 2. other uses, amongst which was not the engineering use. So I complemented this latter page and wrote a stub on the engineering usage. After that I found the article that you edited. The word is used there quite a bit but is not a link. Anyway, I shall be most thankful if you would take a look at these pages, I surely will notice any changes you make. Vale, Lcgarcia 00:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Khao Lak / Solitaire Meissmer[edit]

Hello Chris,

I'm relatively new to wikipedia, and have an interest in Solitaire Meissmer's page. I noticed you edited the Khao Lak entry a few times. As Solitaire was swept away from Coconut Bungalows on Bang Niang beach at Khao Lak, and as the search for her continues despite a positive DNA match with a victim, I was wondering if you could link back to Solitaire's entry? Being new, I'm not sure whether that would be accepted as an appropriate link, nor how to write up something new like that onto the Khao Lak page...

Thanks if you can help out (with either just answers and/or an update to the Khao Lak article). I think Solitaire's article does not link to Khao Lak at the moment either, so I will expand that page shortly.



(PS - am I supposed to use four tildes, youcantryreachingme 14:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)youcantryreachingme thus?) ok. yep :)

youcantryreachingme 13:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)youcantryreachingme -- ok, I've found a way to put the link in; it wasn't that big a change :)

Chew Valley Lake FAC[edit]

Hi, I've resubmitted Chew Valley Lake as a featured article candidate, because it didn't receive enough support last time.

As you started this page back in 2004 I wondered if you would be willing to visit and comment/support on the nomination? Rod 20:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Rod, I've added a 'support' entry to the FAC page. And congratulations on a wonderful page. I might have started it (about two lines worth) but you picked it up and ran with it. You must have put in hundreds of hours to get it to this fine state. Nice work! Chris Jefferies 13:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Chris's Test Area[edit]

I suspect you meant that as a user subpage... Regards. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

We all maek misstaiks :-) Tonywalton  | Talk 12:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Just 'unlinked' the heading in case it get's clicked on by mistake and the page is recreated. Chris Jefferies 00:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


If you work for Unilever then you should take a close look at the relevant policy for possible conflicts of interest. JoshuaZ 03:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I do indeed work for Unilever, though not in connection with promoting the company in any way, and I am certainly not receiving any kind of payment or gift for any contributions I make to Wikipedia.
You do raise a fair point and I've just read the relevant policy to make sure I understand it. I will also mention that the great majority of my contributions to Wikipedia have been on subjects other than Unilever. I last edited the article on 7th December 2006 with a note on the article talk page explaining why, the time before that was 30th March 2006, and before that 23rd January 2006 (again with a comment on the talk page).
I will probably continue as before, making occasional contributions. Please let me know if you think I overstep the mark at any time. Thanks. Chris Jefferies 13:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Commons Picture of the Year[edit]

I confirm that this is my identity for voting purposes in the Wikimedia Commons picture vote 2006. Chris Jefferies 18:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Please refer here to the adress under which the vote was made. - Alvesgaspar 18:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The vote was made from IP address, I confirm that this is my identity. I hope that's what is needed. I read the instructions before my first vote and thought I had it right, but the instructions are, frankly, quite confusing. Chris Jefferies 00:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Wi-Fi. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Jehochman Talk 23:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Completely unjustified. Anyone wanting to see for themselves should visit Wi-Fi and its discussion page.--Chris Jefferies 23:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
If you revert twice in the same day, as you have done two times recently, that indicates a serious problem. Rather than reverting, talk about the difference of opinion and work towards consensus. Don't just keep inserting the same unsourced statement. I've already explained how you can get your point into the article! Just dig up a reference from a reliable source, and I will support you. Jehochman Talk 00:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
No, I have not 'reverted twice in the same day two times recently'. As I mention above, anyone can check the facts by visiting Wi-Fi. Look through the article's history and also the discussion page.--Chris Jefferies 13:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
This was accepted as a non-violation.--Chris Jefferies 17:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Graham Pulkingham[edit]

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It is what came from Graham's ministry, not the man himself, that makes him notable. Starting with the Episcopal Church of the Redeemer in Houston, he and six other elders transformed that traditional church. The music ministry which arose from that - travelling teams known as the "Fisherfolk" - were well known in Anglican circles in the 1970s and 1980s in the UK, USA, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Those ministering teams - teaching how to worship in song, liturgical dance and poetry, were each supported by an intentional community constituted under Benedictine rule - known as the Community of Celebration. For a web archive about the Communities of Celebration, see --Kiwi Bob in UAE 05:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


How to you customize the clock (found here to Central Time? SLSB talkcontrib 17:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Wittgenstein2.jpg[edit]

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Sadly, I can't help with this. I didn't supply the image, all I did was restore it laterally as the previous version was incorrectly reversed (unless Wittgenstein was wearing a woman's shirt and jacket when the photo was taken!) And as Uri who uploaded the original image no longer appears to be active on Wikipedia, the status of this image is now unresolvable. Maybe we should just delete it to be on the safe side. --Chris Jefferies (talk) 09:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Kosovo Independence 1 improved.PNG)[edit]

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Graham Pulkingham[edit]

Hi, Chris. No problem. That's what we're here for, to encourage and help, not to shoot down in flames! Best wishes and good luck with the article. Ref (chew)(do) 12:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Motto of the day[edit]

Hello, I notice you're using one of the {{motd}} templates, run by Wikipedia:Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup![edit]

Hi, this is just to let you know of a proposed Cambridge meetup - suggested dates currently Saturday 18 October or Sunday 19th October. If you're interested, please give an idea of which day might be best for you there - & if you know of anyone else who might like to attend do let them know! Cheers, Dsp13 (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup[edit]

The second Cambridge meetup is confirmed for this Saturday, 3pm, at CB2 on Norfolk Street: Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 2. Hope to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Francis March[edit]

I see that you added a note on Francis March to the Lafayette College article in 2005. You may be interested in this book, which is available from the Lafayette College bookstore:

March, Francis A. (2005). Schlueter, Paul; Schleter, June, eds. Francis A. March: Selected Writings of the First Professor of English. Lafayette College. ISBN 0976516209.  Text " location: Easton, PA

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FYI, the fourth Cambridge meetup will occur on the afternoon of Saturday 1 August. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup 14 November[edit]

Another Cambridge meetup is set for the afternoon of Saturday 14 November. Please contribute to the page and come along if you can. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Meetup in Cambridge, 27 March[edit]

See Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 6 - much as before. We'd be glad to see you. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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WikiProject East Anglia[edit]

Would you be interested in WikiProject East Anglia?

If yes, please support us here at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/East Anglia. Wilbysuffolk talk 07:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Your East Anglian Newsletter[edit]

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2nd WikiProject East Anglia Newsletter[edit]

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This is the second WikiProject East Anglian Newsletter. We have got 1,908 articles with our banner and a bot will be off soon distributing the banner to mainly Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire talk page (Essex has been done) and have now got 13 members. We will soon fully merge with Cambridgeshire project. We need a bit of help assesing pages (about 100 need doing) but other wise we are progressing well.

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List of Falcon 9 launches[edit]

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N2e (talk) 00:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Apollo Command/Service Module Hello! I've seen you around on Spaceflight-related articles and I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Spaceflight. We work on expanding and improving coverage of spaceflight on Wikipedia. If you would be interested in joining please feel free to sign up and get involved.
Thank you.

Thanks Chris for your recent work on improving spaceflight-related articles. Would be happy to have you join a group of us who working on such things as a part of our regular or occasional wikiwork. And if I can ever be of any help, just ping me on my Talk page. Cheers. N2e (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, Chris. In my attempt to clean up the citation metadata on a few cites today, I inadvertantly removed completely the citation for "sfn_wwls20130517" -- which was obviously data that was supported from an access to the SpaceflightNow world wide launch schedule that some editor made last May. Good news, it was "caught" by AnomieBot. Bad news, AnomieBot didn't find any old citation metadata for a 17 May 2013 access to wwls, so AnomieBot introduced another error by naming a fall 2013 access to "sfn_wwls20130517".
At any rate, I see you are in the article working now, so I won't try to go in and clean that up, so I don't create edit conflicts for you. If you'd care to clean that up, feel free. Or else I may get back there in the next few days. Cheers. N2e (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I've stopped editing now, feel free to go back in to sort out the citations. I must confess I'm not worrying too much about citations for launch dates because they do keep changing. I know strictly speaking that's bad, but the 'can I be bothered' factor gets in the way.
Thanks for the invitation to join the project. I might do that (though I'm unlikely to contribute more than minor tweaks here and there). Chris Jefferies (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


Hey Chris. Happy to see you joined the Spaceflight project, and very happy to see another editor interested in "tweaking" a few of the NewSpace articles from time to time, especially with all the activity relative to SpaceX, and the British-owned [[{Virgin Galactic]] has been back in the news more recently as well.

If you might have time to read an article, and tweak it in whatever way you see fit, I'd appreciate your help. I've written a new article on the SpaceX reusable rocket launching system technology development program. It only recently occurred to me that there may be a "first" in the History of technology coming early next year with one piece of that system: the in-flight turnaround and return to a vertical landing on terra firma of an orbital booster stage that was used to successfully launch an orbital payload. At any rate, if that happens, that article is going to get a lot more views, so its about time some other eyes get on it and begin to fix what may not make sense, or be complete, or find some photors, or whatever could use improvement, in my draft. I've put a note with a few thoughts on the Talk page over there.

So if you have some time to read it, I would appreciate it. Tweaks are welcome, as are more substantive edits. That's how Wikipedia gets better. Cheers. N2e (talk) 04:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I've read the article through and I think it's an excellent addition to Wikipedia. It fills an obvious gap (although it hadn't occurred to me until you pointed it out). I probably will come back later and see if I can make any improvements, but my first impression is that there's not a lot to be done. Great initiative! Chris Jefferies (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello Chrisjj, I'm here onbehalf of WP:ORPHAN in which you are also a participant. So, we want your opinion to a WP:ORPHAN related matter. It is a proposal by Technical 13. Please have a look here. Your opinion (i.e support, oppose etc) are very much appreciated there. Thank you. By Jim Cartar through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Backlog drive[edit]

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deOrphaning script[edit]

Hello everyone! I was just working on responding to a couple bug reports for a script that I worked up as part of a request from this project, and I noticed that only a couple people (who weren't even on this mailing list) are actually using the script. A little history on the script: In March of 2014, Jim Cartar came to my user talk page and said he needed some help in acquiring a script for a backlog drive that he was working on that could keep track of and score deOrphanings for a scored backlog drive. I took that request to the project's talk page (BackLog Drive "DO" (De-Orphaning) script proposal) and there was near unanimous support for this. I thought about the proposal and decided the best way to do it was to build a new script (which is still no where near as comprehensive as Manishearth's OrphanTabs) and build into it a mechanism that will make BLD scoring easy.

What I'm wondering at this point is, since there appears to be only two people using the script, should I continue to develop this script with a goal of using it for scoring BLDs or just debug the existing script and leave it at that. Thanks for any replies or comments.

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