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Actually I want it to say "1" with no link at all, there already is a Featured Topic userbox where you can put the names of the topics, I thought it was one were you could just but the number, like there is for lists and articles. Anyway, I'll think about the images to use, probably tomorrow as I'm trying to keep my German revision in my head right now and so can't really think much. Gran2 19:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I still need to finish the guest stars though. I'm done up to Peter Frampton, so I'll finish that up tonight or tomorrow. Gran2 21:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I'll get on to it now. Incidentally, do you think that for bands, listing an image of the band as a whole or having images of the individual members, or both, is th best option? Gran2 21:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Well it wouldn't hurt just to mock it up first, to see what it looks like and garner opinions. Anyway, I'll complete it up to season 8, but then I have to go for a bit. Any new image I add I'll specify the role and episode in the caption, but updating a majority of the others will take a while. Gran2 22:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC).

Moving images to the Commons

Cirt, thanks for your recent comment on the FAC Baltimore City College. I am trying to implement your suggestion and move the public domain images to the Commons. As a test, I have moved Image:City College2.jpg to the Commons. Could you check to make sure that I have followed the process correctly? Thank you, Golem88991 (talk) 07:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC).

Talk:Wank Week

Hopefully your concerns are addressed?

He, just noticed you've got the "good articles open tasks" template on your page! That brings me back to the days I was much more active... I made it (and surprisingly it has hardly changed since, just been updated!) mainly because it looked cool and vaguely useful, didn't realise anyone would actually use it other than myself - nice to see the effort's not been in vain. (Actually also to my surprise I've just noticed that people are updating WP:GAS as well...I wondered if WP:GA was dead in the water since User:Worldtraveller retired, but it seems to have become a very resilient wiki-meme!) TheGrappler (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look. Cirt (talk) 04:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC).

Thank you for your vote on my RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a vote of 41/0/1.

Please accept a slice of panettone as an expression of my gratitude. Feel free to help yourself to some chocolate zabaglione as well.

I am humbled by the trust placed in me to use the tools wisely.

Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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  • Congratulations! Obviously the community trusts that you will use the tools well. Good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC).

Cold Feet (1997 TV film)

Thanks for your thorough review of this article. I've implemented some of the changes you recommended and have replied on the talk page. Brad (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay, I will take a look shortly. Cirt (talk) 00:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 01:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC).
      • Thanks for your review. I have another article listed at LOCE already, so I will list Cold Feet once that's gone through. Brad (talk) 11:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support in getting the series article promoted to FA! Brad (talk) 09:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Good work. Cirt (talk) 12:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Hell Comes to Quahog

Thanks for the second opinion! I figured that there was something off about that article, but I couldn't figure out what it was, even after I re-did the plot section. Cheers, CP 16:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Hey Cirt, I saw your comments on the GAN page concerning Neuro-linguistic programming. You were completely right. Was there any reason you felt you couldn't take on the article yourself? Quick-fails are fairly straightforward, so if you want a tutorial I can give one. Happy editing, VanTucky talk —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Replied on user's talk. Cirt (talk) 06:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Gorilla (Cadbury)

Howdy! Thanks for reviewing the article as part of the GAN process. User:Alientraveller seems to have addressed most of the points that you raised on the talk page. The only remaining point is the use of citation templates - personally I find the things more hassle than they're worth and, so long as they remain optional, I'll probably avoid 'em in any other articles. Regardless, please feel free to take nother glance over to see if any issues remain unaddressed. GeeJo (t)(c) • 23:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know, I will take another look. Cirt (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Next update

I don't mind that you removed this from Next Update, but just to let you know you forgot to add it back to the nominations page, T:TDYK. Cirt (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Actually, I didn't forget... I lost my internet connection while I was moving it and just regained access. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, okay then, no worries. Cirt (talk) 01:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC).


Did you fix everything for Realty Bites? I just saw what needs to be fixed Ctjf83 talk 20:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I very much enjoy ALL of your assistance...but it all looks minor, so i'll do a brief run through of what needs to be fixed, and then you could double check it when i'm done. Ctjf83 talk 20:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, i fixed most of the things, except "expand the lead" which i have no idea what else to put, and "better description of the murder house" i don't know what else he wants for that. I won't be offended if you change any of my work either. Ctjf83 talk 20:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
lol, aww come on!...i'll see what i can find..also, can u find more for the reception, was another thing he wanted. Ctjf83 talk 20:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
on the Troy McClure page, it has a ref to the fact that they retired him, it says Matt had a radio interview, is that good enough for us to put? Ctjf83 talk 20:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
a user took out the baby pic, and sax pic of Lisa, i readded the sax one, since it is a key component of her character...should we add a sax section, to show that the pic should be left in...i know how these anti-fair use people are now Ctjf83 talk 20:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
are we ready for a follow up review? Ctjf83 talk 21:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like all that is needed is a "better description" of the murder house...what shall be put for this? Ctjf83 talk 21:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Question...why don't u want to be an admin? I think you would be a great one! Ctjf83 talk 21:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose a new Marge quote...the one on there is just her reading the Christmas card Ctjf83 talk 21:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
is another one ok with you? "Come on, come on, we all have to pitch in and eat your father's share." i think that is funny, as no 4 people could eat his share, lol Ctjf83 talk 21:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
no, it's from "Hungry, Hungry Homer", that makes sense, if someone stumbled upon it, and didn't know Homer is really fat, they wouldn't understand the quote Ctjf83 talk 21:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, and like you said, i guess if someone stumbled upon that quote, they wouldn't understand why it's funny Ctjf83 talk 22:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL, are you not the huge Simpson's fan, i thought you were? Ctjf83 talk 22:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You're also not listed as part of the project?? Ctjf83 talk 22:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ya, we'll see how it works out...I'm getting coaching from Mr.Z-man. It isn't going as fast as I'd like it to...but then again, I'm extremely impatiant. Well if you're feeling bored someday...I'm trying to get Davenport, Iowa and Iowa to GA status...I've done a major clean up on the Iowa page. So if you're bored and have tons of free time someday, can you look it over, and just do a quick run through and see what needs improving? Ctjf83 talk 22:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Shall i resubmit Realty Bites? Ctjf83 talk 22:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Congratulations on today's FA A Very Merry Unauthorized Children's Scientology Pageant good job!! Ctjf83 talk 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you. It took a lot of hard work, but it's there now, isn't it? Cirt (talk) 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
Yeap, right on the Main Page!! :) Ctjf83 talk 00:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hard to believe it. Cirt (talk) 00:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
haha, with all your hard work, it's not hard for me to believe!! Ctjf83 talk 00:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, means a lot coming from you. Cirt (talk) 00:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
Congrats on the TFA, Cirt! The first of many I hope! --JayHenry (talk) 06:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The first of many. I like the ring of that... Thanks for the congrats, really appreciate it. Cirt (talk) 14:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC).


Updated DYK query On 14 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Getting It: The psychology of est, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 12:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks! Now it's about time to think up a good idea/candidate for another one... Cirt (talk) 15:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC).

DYK "Clerking"

FYI, I did a bit of work on the most recent articles. Let me know if that is what you are looking for or would rather see something else. Should I notify the nominators of those articles that fail to meet the basic criteria of the issue with their nom? spryde | talk 16:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. You and a couple of others are some of the regulars around DYK so I value your opinion. NPOV in my view means that if it is a bold claim (oldest, largest, evil, best, worst, etc) that the source is mainstream, reliable, and actually states that. Hence the Australia golf club hook with the "oldest" claim not being vetted. I left a note and a suggestion instead. My words are not final but I can help out the people selecting the hooks by doing the basic leg work for them. If they feel that a hook isn't NPOV, I would appreciate any feedback on that! spryde | talk 16:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


I'll see if I can find any, although because its a cartoon, general images will be hard to come by. Gran2 17:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Great idea! I don't know of any people off hand, maybe ask at the Help Desk, or ask someone who's created a good vector image or something. Gran2 17:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there's no commentary or production info relating to it. Its just the clip that aired on The Tonight Show as it was. Gran2 08:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I literally just read it, really impressive. You are great at finding sources. Gran2 08:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

South Park

I would love to help. Just tell me what needs doing. I will warn you, my grammor and spelling are lacking, but I will do all I can so you don't have to go over my edits. are directors comentaries good sources?Coffeepusher (talk) 21:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Downy Woodpecker.JPG Scorpion0422's Not-so-Golden Woodpecker Award
For peckin' away at many different articles, and being so productive that you make the rest of us look bad. -- Scorpion0422 21:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Aw shucks, I hope we all just look good helping each other, we're doing a great job so far improving the quality of a great number of articles. Thanks so much! Cirt (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC).


Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
This Barnstar of Diligence is awarded to Cirt for bringing A Very Merry Unauthorized Children's Scientology Pageant to FA status, as well as his diplomacy, pluck, and unerring Xenu-like defense of the article during its Main Page stay. Congratulations! —  MusicMaker5376 01:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks so much, it's been a lot of work, but fun getting there. Cirt (talk) 05:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for supporting my RFA

Ruhrfisch RfA Thanks.png <font=3> Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 62/0/0 yesterday!

I want to thank Snowolf and Dincher for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and since you are reading this, I haven't yet deleted your talk page by accident!). Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be of assistance, and keep an eye out for a little green fish with a mop on the road to an even better encyclopedia.

Thanks again and take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Congrats on having both WP:TFA and a DYK at the same time yesterday! Keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you, and congratulations and good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 17:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC).

Realty Bites

I put moving car, but what else should i put for a house description. BTW, in case you didn't see, Miracle on Evergreen Terrace passed too, which you also helped me on! Ctjf83 talk 17:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

sounds good....i dunno what else he wants for a house description...unless u just put a Victorian mansion, or w/e it is Ctjf83 talk 18:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
sounds good bud Ctjf83 talk 18:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
well, what else should i put for the house, i dont know what he wants!?, btw, i'll do it in 2 hrs after the new fox shows Ctjf83 talk 00:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
do you wanna see if you can find more about Phil...that is more your specialty...i asked him what more he wants about the house, we'll see when he gets back to me Ctjf83 talk 01:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
did you find any more about phil hartman? Ctjf83 talk 18:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

IT PASSED!!! :) Ctjf83 talk 19:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You deserve credit too...good job to you also! Ctjf83 talk 20:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Lost Our Lisa

would you like to tackle the last one in the GA drive with me? Lost Our Lisa Ctjf83 talk 18:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

sounds good...ur good at "cleaning me up" Ctjf83 talk 18:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
i added a "production" section, so if you wanna look it over, along with the plot. I couldn't find anything for a CR section though Ctjf83 talk 20:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL that's cause I can't tell whose voice it is. I could rewatch it later, and try to figure it out, but I'm leaving in 15 mintues or so, and will be back in a few hours Ctjf83 talk 20:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
A CR section isn't required for GA is it? I don't really have anything to put in Ctjf83 talk 20:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
numbers 2 and 3 are obvious, but i understand we still need a source....none of that is mentioned in commentary at all Ctjf83 talk 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

ya, go ahead, that is your specialty Ctjf83 talk 21:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, i'm leaving for a few hours, so let me know if anything else needs to be fixed. We sure do make a great team!! Ctjf83 talk 21:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just so you know, I mentioned you here if you don't want to be listed, you can change it, but i'm sure you don't care Ctjf83 talk 18:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Impressive, I've seen The Simpsons on there before, but never the episode list. Anyway, I think I will do Phil's page, or at least try. It'd be a great tribute to him if his page was on the main page on the tenth anniversary of his death. So would you be interested in helping out? An FA biography will be hard work, but it should be fun. So what do you think? Gran2 18:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

here is what the GA reviewer wrote about Phil what else can be added that you have found? Ctjf83 talk 19:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind

so what exactly needs a ref? I mean some stuff is obvious to everyone, so does it still need a ref? I mean there is no ref to the video being modeled after that kid. Scorpion added it back, after I removed it last night. He never answered me questioning him adding what he wants, and removing what he wants. Anyway, what needs to be sourced, and what doesn't? Ctjf83 talk 21:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

ya, i saw that, and know his edits weren't in good faith, frankly, i dont know what his problem is lately...but i'm not gonna get u in the middle Ctjf83 talk 23:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

No I didn't, but it's not really that big of a deal. -- Scorpion0422 00:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Featured content updates

No problem. Rhino131 (talk) 23:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Portal peer review

Hi, just to say thanks for your feedback on the Amusement Parks Portal. I've made a few changes as per your recommendations - if you get some spare time to look over it and recommend any further improvements, it'd be much appreciated! Many thanks, Seaserpent85 17:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know, I'll take a look. Cirt (talk) 17:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC).


Featured article star.svg Dear Cirt, the portal you nominated (Portal:Scientology) at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates, has been successful. Well done! Merry Christmas to you. All the best, Rt. 17:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

So sorry, I'd copy and pasted the text from Shudde's talk page. Apologies once again. And well done. :) Rt. 17:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


You supported Featured article Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders, which passed yesterday. Today, I nominated Lists of Michigan Wolverines football rushing leaders and Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders. Please consider supporting them as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I will take a look, but others may not appreciate potential FLC evaluators getting notices like this. Cirt (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
    • My suggestion is to not respond, because people shouldn't go around canvassing for votes. -- Scorpion0422 18:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
      • I think I'll probably provide my input in the form of Comment, instead of Support. It would have been a different scenario if I had previously commented at a Peer Review, and then someone asked for my input on a Featured Discussion. Cirt (talk) 18:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC).


That's partially why I'm doing it, because I noticed that you left out some great quotes and some characters, so far I've added quotes from Scorpio and Frank Grimes. -- Scorpion0422 18:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. -- Scorpion0422 18:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I tried to have a mix of seasons, but it's hard because obviously there is a bit of a quality drop as the seasons go on. I don't think the number of quotes from seasons really matters, as long as you don't have more than one from a single episode and you have a variety of characters. There are about a dozen other characters that we should have quotes from, but I couldn't think of any good ones from them off the top of my head. -- Scorpion0422 19:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Portal nominators list

That's a pretty ugly list you want to copy. Feel free to add to it. I'm done. RichardF (talk) 20:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Replied on user's talk. Cirt (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons WikiProject Triple Crown

I, Durova, am pleased to award this special edition triple crown to WikiProject The Simpsons and its hardworking volunteers. DurovaCharge! 00:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all your hard work, and may you wear the crowns (and donut) well. DurovaCharge! 00:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


Well I've finished Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series. Its nothing really special, but have you got any suggestions as to how to improve it further? And, I don't know about you, but I really think we need a navigational template for all of the Primetime Emmy awards which have pages. Gran2 14:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look. Cirt (talk) 17:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC).
    • The Emmys database was used for it all. Gran2 17:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Okay, I'll help you out. There already is one for the actual ceremonies, but its probably a better idea to create a whole new template for the categories, rather than adding it to the other one. Gran2 18:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
        • How's this? I based it on the Academy Awards ones, and didn't include any award that doesn't have a page. Anyway, see if you can improve it, before I physically create it. Gran2 19:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
          • Yep, sure did. I'll create it now. Gran2 19:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Scientology play - Plot summary

Hello again. I removed most of the references in the plot summary, and moved them to the hidden note I put at the top of the Plot section (read in "edit" mode). I don't think you need to repeat all the refs in the Plot summary, since the section is simply a summary of the show's script, and there are no statements of opinion or analysis. I think this makes it easier to read for the average Wikipedia reader, and also conforms it more to all the other plot summaries on Wikipedia. Let me know if you disagree. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

BTW, in general, I don't think there's any reason *not* to wikilink words that are part of quoted text, unless you wouldn't link the same words outside of a quote. Hope that's helpful. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree, and replied and will continue discussion instead at the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 21:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC).

Ben Kingsley

It meets the basic critera: Sourced using WP:V and WP:RS; NPOV; Length. Hell, we could have had a hook for Richard Harris or Brandon Lee and it would have been right at one time. As an aside, I picked a hell of a time to start "clerking". I got handed three major projects at work that are due by the end of the year. spryde | talk 02:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks. Cirt (talk) 05:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC).

List of animals in The Simpsons‎

You or scorpion or someone else wanna do something about this anti-image guy removing all of our pics from that page. There isn't many to begin with, and i know we can have some. I'm about to 3RR him Ctjf83 talk 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Best to ask Scorpion about "List" stuff, and I'd avoid calling anyone a "image Nazi", if I were you. Cirt (talk) 05:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
    • ugh, but these ppl piss me off too much Ctjf83 talk 05:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Even so, it's just not constructive. Cirt (talk) 05:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC).

Thank you!

Just dropping a quick note to say "thank you very much!" for supporting me in my successful RfA. I'm humbled by the support from those who participated, and will ensure that I use the tools with care and for the benefit of the encyclopedia. Thanks again! Tony Fox (arf!) 06:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 06:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC).

All Singing, All Dancing

Do you perhaps wanna try to get this up to GAC? Fr4zer was working on it, but he doesn't have any contributions to wiki at all since December 3. I'll let you do this on your own if you want to do it, cause i really hate this episode...unless you really want my help Ctjf83 talk 07:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't want to do it, I was just working on the Reception section, that's all. You might want to try Fr4zer (talk · contribs)'s talk page. Cirt (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
    • will u do it if i force myself to help? lol Ctjf83 talk 07:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Not really interested in that article past working on the Reception section. Basically I was just having fun looking at the articles at WP:DOH/TOPIC that were not yet GAs, and touching up the Reception sections from whatever sources I could find. But at this point I'm just content to wait for the WP:GAC backlog to move along. Cirt (talk) 07:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC).


I didn't wanna keep adding to that for my do u propose i get all these articles in ABC it possible with AWB, r u even familiar with AWB? Ctjf83 talk 08:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

u wanna add the watchlist stuff to the project page, i'm trying, but can't get it...oh and add my user box, that i'm so proud of!! Ctjf83 talk 09:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Does it look good? Ctjf83 talk 17:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
as far as I know..there are 767 articles listed. also, you wanna respond to this at the btm of the CR section? Ctjf83 talk 17:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Older?! it is the newest episode...oh well, i'll see what i find Ctjf83 talk 17:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
wouldn't that warrant putting the message on both our talk pages Ctjf83 talk 06:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. I'm not sure what could/should be added to make 1500 characters in paragraphs. Why doesn't the list text count? If it does, it's about 4000 characters of prose not including references. RB972 08:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Colbert (character)

Thanks for reviewing this article. I've attempted to address the issues you raised - replacing some more questionable sources with reliable secondary sources, merging some of the smaller subsections, doing a little re-wording, removing some of the fair-use images and updating the fair-use rationales on those remaining - and was hoping you might be willing to take another look at the article when you get the time. Thanks again! Shoemoney2night (talk) 10:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know, I'll take another look. Cirt (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC).


SaintBarnstar.PNG The Saint's Star Award
I give you this award for your tireless and outstanding work on Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates and Wikipedia:Portal peer review, rating portals, nobody else cared for. May God bless you.--Thw1309 (talk) 12:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you so much! This was unexpected and really appreciated! Cirt (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC).

Hell Comes to Quahog

Greetings, Cirt. You may remember, but a few weeks ago, you performed a GA review of the above article (article talk page), I have addressed all of the concerns/issues raised, so if you wish to review it and make a second judgement on its GA fail/pass; please do so. If you would rather I went to WP:GAC, I will — however, I brought it here, just incase you wished to perform a GA review. Qst (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Replied on article talk page. Cirt (talk) 05:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC).


Updated DYK query On 23 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Guru of Sex, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Maxim(talk) 00:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Admin mop.PNG Thank you for voting in my RfA, which closed successfully with 44 support, 4 oppose, and 3 neutral. I will work hard to improve the encyclopedia with my new editing tools (and don't worry, I'll be careful).
  jj137 01:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act

As discussed on the article's talk page last month, I've proposed that this be featured on January 16th - please see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#January 16. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Looks like this was removed as only 5 requests are allowed at one time. Cirt (talk) 05:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC).

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Dear Cirt, I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year! Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you, that's so sweet! To you as well! Cirt (talk) 22:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC).

Your GA nomination of Getting It: The psychology of est

The article Getting It: The psychology of est you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.png, see Talk:Getting It: The psychology of est for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Qst 22:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks so much! Cirt (talk) 22:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC).

RfA thanks

Admin mop.PNG Great success!
Thank you for supporting my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 53-3-2. Special thanks goes to Shalom for both the suggestion and the nomination. I'm honored by the trust that the community has shown in me, and will do my very best as an administrator. Thanks again! faithless (speak) 08:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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Re: Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Spj logo.jpg

Thanks for letting me know. Take a look and let me know if any improvements are necessary: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guroadrunner (talkcontribs) .

  • Okay, will do. Cirt (talk) 08:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC).
I didn't ask for it to be put on the portal page and I do not believe it fits a fair use for it. I will remove it from the portal. Please remove tags or evaluate if fair use is good for the SPJ article page. Guroadrunner (talk) 08:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Let me be clear: I agree with you that it should not be on the portal. I didn't add it, and I think it gotta go. However, I also do not want this to be dragged out to a big conversation. I will, however, fight that the FUR is correct for SPJ. I wish it was easier to differentiate invalid fair use claims, because I didn't even consider the use on the portal. However, re-tagging for deletion and pointing at something that we all agree doesn't belong is kinda frustrating. Is it possible that you could handle the issue with the portal and make sure they do not put the image in again, because I don't want to fight you retagging when the image itself is perfectly fine for SPJ. While the other use doesn't belong, I don't think the image should be deleted over it, just the invalid use on the other page. Guroadrunner (talk) 08:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
cropped photo

Society of Professional Journalists logo, cropped from a photo of a "welcome journalists" sign at the Region 10 SPJ conference, Kennewick, WA, March 2006 -- If this is the case, why not just upload the entire "welcome journalists" sign to WikiCommons instead, and just use the larger whole image in the SJP article? If, as you say, you are the author of that particular image, and the logo is only a small part of the larger image, it may be acceptable at Wikimedia Commons. Cirt (talk)

  • True. But it still would serve the same purpose as taking a photo of a logo, and basically need a fair use rationale still. That's basically the key issue, is because it is a non-free logo. Guroadrunner (talk) 08:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
possibility of re-adding tag

Are you contesting the use on SPJ , or the use on that portal? The portal is no longer an issue, I removed the image someone else put in. So to get to the point, are you contesting the fair use for SPJ ? Guroadrunner (talk) 09:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

On what basis do you contest the use on SPJ ? Also, what suggestions do you have for improving things so things are satisfactory? Guroadrunner (talk) 09:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Dislike of image name

Your name of Image:SPJ logo 2 for cirt.jpg with "for cirt" at the end is inappropriate. I request that you tag the image for deletion with { {db-author} }, and re-upload it with a more appropriate name, like simply, "SPJ logo 2". Thanks.

  • Hi Cirt, I feel like you're badgering me at every turn on this. I uploaded it for you specifically, primarily. It's true I did it on the fly. I don't have time to be spending all this time on things like this. If this image becomes the main image for this article, I'll get a {{db-author}} for both of the named images and consider reuploading with a better name, if I really really want to and assuming I won't get badgered at every turn with regard to it. This conversation is going rather long for me. I know you have concerns about things but I dislike this sort of bureaucratic badgering, just so we're clear. As Wikipedia is GNU, you are free to make changes that you want, and that includes working with fair use rationales and going through the image name change process. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Additionally, if this keeps going and going and going, I may just need to {{db-author}} on both images to make everyone satisfied. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I like your solution

The best solution at this point in my opinion would be for you to tag both images with {{db-author}}, and use an image instead with a verifiable hyperlink from an external site, like [1], or [2]. If you want, after those two images are deleted I can even upload an image from one of those sites myself, and also add a good detailed fair use rationale. Cirt (talk) 09:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

  • I like this. Let's go for it. I will let you handle the upload and FUR, however. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You forgot to add the actual {{db-author}} tag to the other image, Image:SPJ logo 2 for cirt.jpg. Cirt (talk) 09:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

    • Thanks. However, please be assured you are free to make edits like these yourself. be bold! Guroadrunner (talk) 09:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
No more help needed on my end
    • Thank you for your messages but I don't need to be taught how to use Wikipedia. We all make mistakes, but you are treating me like a newbie and I do NOT appreciate it. Thank you for understanding. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
True, but hey, forgive and forget. I just happen to be sensitive to being treated like a newbie on multiple small issues when I have more than two years' experience at Wikipedia, and I do consider it patronization. When editing Wikipedia, I aim to move quickly, not code perfectly. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm one of those editors who manouevers around to try and get the coding right, creating a whole lot of diffs. Plus, I don't use sandboxes which causes more edits. Apologies for being harsh. I consider the matter closed, however, and I don't want to keep you any longer than necessary. Time is money! :-) Guroadrunner (talk) 09:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Cheers. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Other portions of this discussion thread took place at User talk:Guroadrunner, and at User talk:Betacommand. Cirt (talk) 10:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC).



Guroadrunner (talk) 04:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Noted, thanks. Cirt (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC).

Das Bus

Hey, I'm taking over this episode for Gran2 because he doesn't think he can get to it any time soon. You wanna do the recep and CR for me? Or just clean up after I'm done? Ctjf83 talk 19:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Probably more like the latter. But I'll take a look later on to see if I can find any more sources. Cirt (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Ok, btw, I liked it better when you responded back on my page! :) Ctjf83 talk 19:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Okay, will do that ... after this reply, hehe. Cirt (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC).


Hi, I was wondering if you would mind reviewing Hockey Hall of Fame for me. There is a huge backlog in the sports section of WP:GAC and I don't really feel like waiting two months for a review. Thanks, Scorpion0422 20:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That's actually what I'm doing. I'm in the process of reading Doping at the 2007 Tour de France, and a few days ago I reviewed a bunch from that section. I used to be a hardcore GAC reviewer (I think I reviewed 20 in one week at one point) but I kind of grew tired of it. -- Scorpion0422 20:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't really understand Spanish, what does it say? I think it says something about hotels... -- Scorpion0422 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Looks like the article was passed as GA, congrats! Cirt (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC).


Hi, all of the entries that were previously at Portal talk:Film/Did you know were in the main page's dyk section in the past, the template that gets pasted on the talk pages of those articles is a newer thing, the older ones are just listed at Wikipedia:Recent additions 19 (etc.). - Bobet 20:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


Many thanks for your suggestions for the Portal:Tennis featured portal candidate discussion. I appologise as I came off defensive at the start - I just didn't fully understand what you were suggesting, but in retrospect your ideas were excellent and have certainly made the portal better. I can safely say, I look forward to working with you again in the future, and might have to pop by for a quick review before I take any other portals to a featured discussion. Take care, Ryan Postlethwaite 14:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks so much for saying this, and taking the time to stop by, much appreciated. Cirt (talk) 17:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC).

The Simpsons Portal

Just saw the portal was promoted, congrats! Gran2 16:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks! Cirt (talk) 18:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC).


You're right about her looking like a Ferengi- not much of a fan of star trek myself - although I do enjoy science fiction. Beggars in Spain is a personal favourite. You know that the "the name "Ferengi" is an Arabic name for European traders, or for Westerners in general"? - (according to the article)? --Kiyarrllston 00:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion tagging of transcluded pages

When you tag a page which is/might be transcluded in an other page, please place the tag between a <noinclude> tag and a </noinclude> tag. This is in order to prevent the tags from showing up on other pages, which transclude the page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I figured there was a way to do it like that. Cirt (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC).


User:Trailblazers100 is trying to add CRs to Realty Bites and Talk:Lisa's Sax. I feel it is in good faith. On Realty he said the song is Luka, by who ever. I'm just rambling, why don't you read both talk pages, and you might be able to respond or help more, you're good at that. And please, for the love of whoever, respond on my talk page!! :) Ctjf83 talk 19:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Responded on user's talk. :) Cirt (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC).
oh for crap sake, ok Ctjf83 talk 19:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I mean is it good enough that someone knows the name of the song to list it? I mean all American's know if they sang the national anthem, so we don't need a source for that, I know that song is different, but it is still the point. Perhaps we need to start a CR discussion on the project page. Like I remember someone else saying recently, IGN, or BBC site don't know any more than we do, what the writers, producer, directors, etc were thinking when they put something in Ctjf83 talk 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I dunno, since that user said it, it got me thinking. Why should we even put that IGN or BBC say it is a reference to "whatever". Realistically the only things we should list are things that come off the DVD commentary, or in an interview with a writer, director, producer did with a reliable source. But if we did it that way, most episodes after season 10 would have nothing. I dunno, it just seems like some double standard to me or something, you know what i mean Ctjf83 talk 20:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I strongly agree with sourcing, but realistically IGN and BBC aren't really reliable on CR's, but I guess I'll still use them too. So is it good enough to list a song, if it is popular, and most people know what song it is. See that is where there is a fine line. I mean I've never heard of this Luka song, but that doesn't mean it isn't popular and well known Ctjf83 talk 20:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

BTW, Scorpion finally looked over Das Bus I submitted it, but you never looked it over, perhaps you would like to now? A user put 3 questions about it on the talk page, I fixed the second one, but asked him questions on his talk about the other 2, cause i was a bit confused. Ctjf83 talk 20:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

can you be more specific with your "ok", the article is ok, ok you'll look it over, what? Ctjf83 talk 21:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Your Welcome Message

No, I don't think I will register. I've been banned 2 times for merely refusing to bow to unfair. random, inconsistent and biased decisions of wikipedia's myriad legion of little tyrants, armed with a ban button and ability to lock articles. They act unilaterally, disregard logical and rational debate and act in a dictatorial fashion rather than the democratic model wiki purports to follow. Therefore, I edit where I see fit, how I see fit, and mostly work under their radar. Wikipedia has far too much power, via its command of search engine rankings, to disseminate information, and I consider it my duty to correct crappy and propagandistic information when I see it. Its easy enough to get a new IP when my current is banned by the fascist, micro-testicled cretins who remove my contributions. I'm quite patient, have much time on the internet, and obsessively bookmark and revisit the articles and I am usually successful in adding my very pertinent and important info in a lasting manner. Using tangential articles to get the facts out works well also.

So, as you are merely a representative of those controlling, censorial, power-addled, petty little bastards, I bid you a good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

  • Okay. Sorry you feel that way. Cirt (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC).

Invasion of the Bane

Invasion of the Bane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi. You indicated on WP:GAN about ten days ago you were going to review it, but so far there hasn't been a review. Do you still intend to review it? (If so, don't fail for lack of reviews, as there aren't any I can find even on Google News) Will (talk) 05:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I will take a look and review it. Cirt (talk) 05:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC).

Happy New Year

Strawberry milkshake.jpg

Hello Cirt, I hope you had a pleasant New Year's Day, and that 2008 brings further success, health and happiness! ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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  • Thank you, thank you! That ice cream looks delicious. Cirt (talk) 07:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC).

Das Bus

Can you review this to see if it is a GAC? Scorpion said he would, but might have forgotten. Ctjf83 talk 19:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look later. Cirt (talk) 19:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
      • Ok, I did a clean up on it, do you wanna see if you can find another source for the reception, that is more your area, than mine Ctjf83 talk 06:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review for Invasion of the Bane

This is just a reminder that you tagged this article with the {{GAReview}} template on 12/22/2007, 11 days ago. Please complete your review, or remove the tag so that someone else may review it. If you are uncertain of whether the article is GA or not, you may also add the {{GA2ndopinion}} template to the nomination listing, asking another editor to provide an opinion. Thanks! Dr. Cash (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, please see above, I was already asked about this by the nominator, I will get to it soon. Cirt (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC).


Must...obey...Master... ;-) RichardF (talk) 23:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Goodness, you are fast!!! I'm not even done reading through the article! I am really impressed with the article in general - I never would have imagined that someone could put together such a comprehensive and interesting article about a story in a magazine. You did a great job, and once I finish the article I'll be changing my FA vote :) Karanacs (talk) 03:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles January Newsletter

Happy New Year! Here is the latest edition of the WikiProject GA Newsletter! Dr. Cash (talk) 03:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Felix the Cat

I suppose so. I just took it off the list because it was not tagged with the comedy WikiProject. ISD (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks. By the way, I also deleted the article about Scooby-Doo of the list. If you want to add it again, then please do. ISD (talk) 09:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Well I always think it more of a children's cartoon. Also, it does not always carry a laughter track. ISD (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Don't worry about the FAs, there are still two currently being nominated. ISD (talk) 09:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


Wow, I'm so glad you did that bioterror item, and this point you raise regarding the Osho puff-piece/hagiography/whitewash was nice to see because, yes, sorting this page out is going to be a lot of work, I'm keeping an eye on it, and I have reinstated the link to the bioterror item as it had been intentionally broken. Have also raised issues regarding the use of external links in the main body of text to OSHO videos on youtube, which are, for all intents and purposes, advertisements for their various trademarked mediation techniques, also, if the word OSHO is a registered trademark, this is effectively a trading company, I deal with this on the discussion page over there, plus other issues relating to POV and Notability (20 references are from books by Osho, and I would guess published by the OIF, and 2 are autobiographical). I have also added a link to a documentary I found on Youtube, but I don't know how long it will last, please watch if you have time: Semitransgenic (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree with some of what you have said, but I've got other things on my plate right now and don't want to deal with the article on Osho at this point in time. Cirt (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC).

Check this out

I just discovered that about a dozen English Wiki Simpsons articles were copied basically word for word into the Simple English Wikipedia. Homer Simpson, Maggie Simpson, Ned Flanders, The Simpsons shorts, List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes, Marge Simpson and Lisa Simpson were all word for word copies of the English wiki articles (although some were much older versions, for example the Simpsons shorts article was done before it was made an FL). Several of the articles have been cleaned up now, but it's pretty funny to see the great lengths the user went to to make it not look like a copy and paste job because he waited weeks (sometimes months) between articles. On the Flanders article he pasted sections to the page bit by bit and even added a construction tag to it. The funny part is that he didn't even try to make the language simple and it contains words like nonsensical babbling, unbearable piousness, humorless fascists and cynicism and Homer Simpson actually made it to FA there with such simple words as intolerant, dysfunctional and Aristotelian. -- Scorpion0422 01:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that's one weird project offshoot, isn't it. Cirt (talk) 06:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC).

1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot GA review: on hold

Good article on hold GA on hold — Notes left on talk page. Nehrams2020 (talk) 23:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the notice. Cirt (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC).


Hi, I'm basically a rotten editor, so I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look at Kiva (organization) and help make it at least presentable. There's not much to cite besides news stories and the website. It's big references are a couple of pages in Bill Clinton's book, Giving, and other publicity from a Frontline story and being on the Oprah Show with Clinton. Interested? :-) RichardF (talk) 00:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look. Cirt (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC).
Thanks! :-)
p.s. Feel free to tidy up User:Wikinews Importer Bot in your spare time too. ;-) RichardF (talk) 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


I wanted to nominate an article for the main page, but I wasn't aware that the nomination for a day like, February 1st, could be so early. I was looking at the nomination page today, and I saw that someone had already took it. I wanted the page, as the article I am nominating is an album that came out on that day. So, could I nominate the article for the 2nd, and it show up during part of the 1st? Because in my time zone (GMT -5), I believe it would, but I may be thinking of the 31st of January instead. I'm too confused to tell which one it would be, so I figured you may know. xihix(talk) 01:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


can you go here and fix my number 10 reference? for some reason the date comes up red, and I formated it like every other date, so I dunno whats up Ctjf83 talk 21:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

never mind, i figured it out Ctjf83 talk 22:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

SPJ new image

Thanks for the update, however that is a non-representative image for the SPJ's logo. The representative image has a solid blue background, like here: (trust me, I'm a member of the SPJ).

A possibility might be to grab this image: and modify it to only include the logo. That's what I would recommend, as the logo uploaded is incorrect. Guroadrunner (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 11:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

Religion in The Simpsons

I understand you've always been interested in improving that article. Tell me, do you have a specific structure/content organisation intended? Alientraveller (talk) 11:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It'd be difficult, but ideally each religion would have its own section. I just saw your comment at the WikiProject talk page, and I know about your FAs with the religion focused episodes. I happen to own The Gospel According to The Simpsons, so I could help out. Alientraveller (talk) 11:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


For The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson, are there no more recourses other than the ones you gave me? I'm going to start making the cultural references, theme (no idea how I'll be able to achieve that), and reception. I also find it hard to believe that there is no mention in Planet Simpson! It's such a large book... xihix(talk) 02:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Cirt. I wanted to tell you that I finished up the article and nominated it for WP:GA. I was wondering if you could take a look at it to fix any grammar issues you might see, or any fixes at all. If not, then it's cool. xihix(talk) 06:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey Cirt. The article is now a GA! What do we do now? xihix(talk) 21:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Iceland's portal peer review

Hello Cirt. Since you've been a recent portal peer reviewer, I request your input at the Iceland Portal's peer review. All general feedback is greatly appreciated. Great work on the portals! Thanks, [sd] 13:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look later. Cirt (talk) 18:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC).
    Thanks for the helpful review! I would like notify you that the Iceland Portal has now been nominated for featured status. Comments and suggestions are welcome at the discussion. Thank you, [sd] 02:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Thanks for the note. I was in the middle of doing a review of the article when I unexpectedly had to run off for the evening. I'd like to eventually work Frank Sinatra Has a Cold into FA shape, and so I'm very interested in the work you've done there. Hopefully I'll have time to do a review this evening! --JayHenry (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed at the FAC, I just left you some thoughts Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power. Hopefully that's helpful. If anything I said seems off the mark, don't hesitate to set me straight. Great work on this article. --JayHenry (talk) 05:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Cirt, sorry I'm rather busy tonight... but will try to respond at the FAC later on or tomorrow. I personally am not a fan of "sticking points" and think they should only be used for really important things like, you know, POV or uncited improbable claims. My comments at the FAC are just questions and suggestions. I like to ask questions just to make sure they're asked. If the answer's not out there, it's not out there. No reason to oppose an FAC in my mind. But always good to ask, I think. That'd be my "vision" for how FAC should work, just a collegial discussion about different aspects of the article. No bolded opposes, no confrontations. Just kicking around ideas. That'd be nice... --JayHenry (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Lost Our Lisa GA Review: On Hold

Good article on hold GA on hold — Notes left on talk page. Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'll address each point on the talk page. Cirt (talk) 08:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC).
Thanks for the response, I recently haven't received some positive feedback, but I still enjoy reviewing articles. I may be more strict then some other reviewers, but I want articles to be the best they can be (at least from what I can see). It is unbearable to see the huge backlog at GAN, so I'm doing my best for the rest of my winter break to try and bring it down. I want to commend you for doing a good job on addressing all of the issues I raise so quickly, you do a great job with your articles. Keep up the good work, and if you can convince others to help review articles at any time, that'd be great. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 10:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I'll take a look at it first thing when I get up tomorrow. I need to get to bed, I'm sure the sun will be coming up soon! It probably shouldn't take too long to complete the review. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 10:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Go us on another GA!! :) Ctjf83 talk 19:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, we should team up more! Ctjf83 talk 19:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Film's featured portal nomination


The portal you nominated at featured portal candidates on December 28 2007 has been promoted to featured portal status. Well done. You can view eventual comments at the nomination page. Best regards, Rudget. 16:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry about that. Rudget. 17:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


I've been in regular contact with you now, over at least two months, and I've become more accustomed, and more and more impressed with your contributions. Would you consider adminship? Of course, if you'd like to decline, that's up to you. Regards, Rudget. 19:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I see. I wish to stay in contact with you though, at least over at portals. And well done another GA. :) Best, Rudget. 19:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Prairie Ave FAC2

You supported the original Prairie Avenue FAC and it is now improved. Your renewed support would be appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Cirt, I'm a little concerned my recent comment on the TfD page might seem out of step with what I said at Talk:WPOR, so I want to explain. You initially asked about reverting, but your nomination is for deletion. Deletion is a bigger step, and it doesn't seem to me that we're quite to the point where it's clear what should be deleted, and what kept. My preference would be to sort it out within WPOR, and then go to AfD if we have established a strong consensus…at which point, it ought to sail through. Let me know if there's something I'm missing. -Pete (talk) 07:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay but the thing is, there's really nothing wrong with making new stuff after consensus has been reached. Consensus is supposed to evolve as people come up with new ideas. The discussion you reference precedes Hubert's new ones, so it doesn't take them into account. I disagree that TfD is the right place for this discussion right now – or if it is, I think the nomination needs to give a more thorough background on the issue. Without that, I suspect that many editors, like me, won't be informed enough to weigh in intelligently. In my view, that's not a recipe for effective consensus assessment, regardless of what the guidelines around TfD nominations may be. I have seen much more productive collaboration take place, by and large, on WikiProject pages and article talk pages, than in the deletion debates. If strong consensus for deletion emerges outside of the WP space, then deletion is a quick and painless procedure, that doesn't get anybody's hackles up. -Pete (talk) 08:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Fair 'nuff, we'll see where it goes! I would like to add that my own disagreement is only the most respectful sort as well ;) Hope you get into expanding History of Oregon as well, I think your expertise would be very helpful there. -Pete (talk) 08:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review

You may notice that I have put The Last Temptation of Krust and Lisa's Sax under my wing, so to speak. But due to personal matters, could I delay the review until about Thursday/Friday? I may get a chance to do it before then, but I'll have to see it as it goes. I would also like to take this oppurtunity to say a very big thank you for your continued support over at FPOC. Your decision in the poll for FPOC directors, really did give me confidence. Yours, Rt. 20:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Sounds good. Cirt (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

Michael Palin

I should point out I have expanded the introduction even more, if you want to include the extra information. ISD (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Unholy Three

Thanks for sorting out that image, the cropped version looks really good. -- ChrisO (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Principal & The Pauper

I think the article is almost ready for a GAC (in fact, all it needs is for the plot section to be rewritten), I'm just waiting for Zagalejo to listen to the commentaries and edit it, because we're trying to get it to FA. -- Scorpion0422 01:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


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Dear Cirt, my sincere thanks for your support in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget. 15:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
  • You sure do have the community's support. Good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

Good article request

I know this can be seen as soliciting a review. If that's discouraged, ignore this. The Preity Zinta article has recently been nominated for GA status by me. I did a bit to clean up the language on a draft userpage, and I think the editor who is primarily responsible for the article is reviewing those changes now. In any event, if when he's done you might be willing to review the admittedly long article, if it hasn't already been reviewed, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know such was possible. I like that idea a lot, particularly as it could help remove some of the stumbling blocks that might still exist. Thank you very much. And, if as you indicated, the formal reviews can take a while, no rush. Thanks again. John Carter (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll make some comments on the talk page of the article within a coupla days at the most. Cirt (talk) 11:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 08:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC).

Using only one "*" for Wikinews Importer Bot

Hi, having two stars "**" at the front of each item is causing more and more formatting problems when an indented list does not apply, such as at Deaths in 2008‎, United States presidential election, 2008, Portal:Science and Portal:Sports. It's browser dependent, e.g., IE adding extra returns and indents. See User talk:B#Wikinews positioning in Sports portal. Are you willing to support asking Misza13 to get rid of the extra star? Then we can work on the best way to reformat the portal lists that need indenting. RichardF (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. A custom indentation string can be passed using the indent = parameter (which defaults to ** if not specified). Миша13 18:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now, you're just trying to keep me from posting more stuff on your talk page!!! ;-) RichardF (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Edmund blair leighton accolade.jpg

John Carter (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Congratulations, and good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC).

Re: Portal:Iceland

I had a severe internet connection problem last night right in the middle of my promotion process. I kept checking the connection for 2 hours straight and it still wasn't fixed when I get to bed. I'll go back and finish what I left off today. OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Got everything finished now. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review

Well, I have never reviewed an article for GA before, but I suppose I might as well give it a try. ISD (talk) 07:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Reviewed and passed. Well done!
By the way, I currently have an article up as a FAC and so far only one person has given their view on it (and withdrawn their opinions at that). As it is part of WP:COMEDY, I was wondering if you could give your view on it. The article is Kevin and Kell. Here is the candidate page. Cheers! ISD (talk) 08:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I'd almost forgotten you gave the GA review for the article. ISD (talk) 08:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing the article. I will talk to Holbrook about the image after the nomination is over. ISD (talk) 08:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Tale of a Tub

Joel has made a note about not "voting" early. Many FARs have heated debate immediately after nomination. I generally just let these fizzle. The process is long and hopefully someone will pick up the page and work on it. Marskell (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

My request for adminship was successful at 64/1/2! Many thanks for your participation and I will endeavor to meet your expectations. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 09:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Congrats, and good luck to you! Cirt (talk) 09:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC).

Not a review, but thanks anyway

Thanks for the comments on the Preity Zinta discussion page. It's greatly appreciated. And just let me tell you that the reassessment was not fair (that's according to me). The article came with over 25 supports on the FAC, and all these guys who opposed its promotion, voted to delist it on the GAR. So it was delisted. Now, after substantial copyediting from User:Dwaipayanc and John Carter, it looks even better. Thanks for the comments. Best regards, ShahidTalk2me 14:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


I have struck my vote, and responded to one of your concerns. I'm leaving this note here since you angrily said you were unwatching the page due (at least in part) to my vote. I am new to the FA game, so I apologize for not realizing what I had done was out-of-process. Regards, -- Bellwether BC 20:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I appreciate what you did, and that you recognize that it was out-of-process, but I've had enough with the general lack of process, people refusing to discuss specific points of WP:OR sentences and speak in generalizations about the article only, and lack of participation from an outside FAR reviewer - and I'm no longer involved with that. Thanks for dropping me the note though. Cirt (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
    • Having abandoned the discussion -- and however you may feel about it, there was quality, good-faith discussion happening there -- is it appropriate for the nomination to stand? Again, being new to the FA process, I'm genuinely not sure of the procedures. If a nominator summarily withdraws from the discussion, shouldn't the nomination be withdrawn? -- Bellwether BC 21:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
      • There was zero quality good faith discussion happening. Only one editor, Haukurth (talk · contribs), responded in any specific way to any of the Original Research violations of Policy that I had cited. I will defer to Marskell (talk · contribs) and Joelr31 (talk · contribs) for the future proceedings of that FAR. Cirt (talk) 21:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
        • Wow. You just accused Lar, myself, and multiple other good-faith editors of contributing in bad faith. I'm not quite sure what to make of that, as I've never been less than civil toward you, and I've attempted to explain my positions to you. Basically my positions are that no (or few) citations, does not mean an article should be delisted; and, a reviewer that wishes to nominate a work of literature for delisting based chiefly on OR (you also attacked the quality of writing in your nom, but have sinced focused on OR) should have at the very least read the book before nominating it based upon these grounds. It's frustrating to have my contributions referred to as "not good faith." -- Bellwether BC 21:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
          • You are correct, I apologize, stricken. I do not, however, think that reading the book is a requirement, because that in and of itself would mean one would have to do Original Research. Cirt (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
            • Correct me if I'm wrongly apprehending your meaning, but are you claiming that reading a book that you're writing an article about constitutes original research? -- Bellwether BC 21:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
              • If you are using the book itself as a source (in any other section than a synopsis of the book), then yes, absolutely would be WP:OR. Cirt (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
  • (undent & EC) Wow. Your last post is truly illuminating, though, as it shows that you have greatly expanded the definition of what actually constitutes original research. If you actually believe what you posted there, I don't know how much more we have to discuss. Do you really believe that there are no aspects of a book that are so patently obvious that they wouldn't need to be sourced? (I had initially wondered in this post how anyone was supposed to write a plot summary, but apparently you realized the fallacy of at least that portion of the argument, so I removed that portion.) -- Bellwether BC 21:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
    • One last thing: are you contending that a person could write an entire article on a work of literature (save the plot summary) having never read the work. I'm sorry, but that seems silly on the face of it. -- Bellwether BC 21:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
      • (edit conflict) Of course that's not what I meant. Of course there may be some portions that are "patently obvious" - but this is getting into a very very generalized discussion, again something that I had had a problem with at the FAR. No one save for Haukurth (talk · contribs) responded to any of my specific points about specific sentences from the article. They only wanted to argue and overgeneralize about WP:OR in general about the entire article, as opposed to specific sentences within the article. Cirt (talk) 21:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
  • One last thing: are you contending that a person could write an entire article on a work of literature (save the plot summary) having never read the work. I'm sorry, but that seems silly on the face of it. -- What? That is exactly the opposite of what I mean. Save for the plot summary/synopsis section, ideally to avoid WP:OR everything else in the article should be backed up to secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
  • (Reply to EC) I think you misunderstood. That's what I thought you meant. You seemed to be saying you could (and perhaps even should) write the entire article without having read the book. ("Save the plot summary" meant "except for the plot summary.") That seems very odd to me.
        • (Last) I think the only thing that those who quickly sprang to the defense of this wonderful article were saying is that if you had read the book, you would realize that your concerns about OR were unfounded. To my mind, that is dealing with these concerns, albeit in a blanket fashion. You listed 20+ "problems" with one of the finer articles on a work of literature on the project. You also claimed the writing was in some way deficient. You should have expected some pushback, and perhaps (as Lar noted) approached it in a different way. I don't think it's out of line at all for people to question whether a person who noms such a fine article for delisting has read the work in question. As I noted in the discussion at FAR, I tested your hypothesis, and had two of my students read the article blind. Neither have read the work, nor will they be soon. I did not give them any background on it. Both enjoyed the article tremendously, and were not confused at all by the lack of inline cites. I think you're just wrong here. But I also think that you are acting in good-faith, fully believing that the article (as beautiful as many think it is) is riddled with OR and shoddy writing. Therefore, as we seem to be at loggerheads, perhaps now would be a good time to agree to disagree? -- Bellwether BC 21:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  • (outdent, again) Bellwether BC (talk · contribs), I thank you for being so respectful and kind to me in your comments. Yes, I do think that if one has enough secondary sources, you could write an article about a subject matter without primary source material. Need one have directly experienced a historical event in order to write about it based on secondary sources? So, if we have to agree to disagree on this issue, that's unfortunate, but respectfully, acceptable. Thanks for acknowledging that my FAR nom was in good faith. As for my original assertion about lack of "brilliant" writing, this is backed up by the WP:OR points I made afterwards, for it is my belief that "brilliant" writing cannot take place if it is mostly all WP:OR. In any event, it is most interesting that even in this debate with you, right now, on my talk page, you have yet to bring up a single specific point that I mentioned from the top of my FAR nom. Cirt (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Refuting your premise (that the writing was less than brilliant, and riddled with OR) deals directly with your points, though not in the manner you wished to see happen. I don't grant the very premise of your nomination, which negates the need for me to proceed point-by-point through your list of 20+ examples of what you categorize as "OR." You have a distinctly different undestanding of what actually constitutes original research with regards to literature articles. That is fine, but I would contend that perhaps opening a true discussion--not a review, which has a higher probability of drama-- would have been a much better option. Regards, -- Bellwether BC 21:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Responding to specific points.

I have responded to one of the specific points you raised on the FAR discussion page. I look forward to your response. Nandesuka (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks, responded. Cirt (talk) 21:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC).


Hello Cirt, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Acalamari 23:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I do my best to revert vandalism, I guess this will make it easier to do so with more active things like Featured Articles on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article, with lots of anon-ip vandalism and the like. More importantly, however, there should be some sort of fast "rollback" function, which quickly reports these vandals to WP:AIV, and also places warnings on their talkpage in the appropriate manner. Is there something like that yet? Cirt (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC).
    • That would be WP:TWINKLE, which helps send fast reports to AIV and places warning templates on talk pages, but it may not work depending on which browser you use. The rollback feature is simply a rollback button to aid in reverting vandalism, but not to send reports to AIV or to warn users. Acalamari 23:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
      • How does WP:TWINKLE make sending reports to WP:AIV and warning vandals faster, exactly? Cirt (talk) 23:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC).
        • I think there's a drop-down menu on the side of screen to quickly type in a report, and it will send the report to AIV immediately; and with warnings, again, I think there's a drop-down menu where you can select a warning, and it sends it to the user you wish to warn. I don't know exactly, as I don't use Twinkle (doesn't work in my browser). You may want to ask someone who uses Twinkle, as they should be able to tell you how Twinkle works better than I can: all I know is that it does make AIV and warnings easier than manual reports to AIV or warnings. Acalamari 23:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Okay, I will check it out, I seem to be doing more and more reverting vandalism and warning users lately, might as well start reporting more of them to WP:AIV as well. Cirt (talk) 23:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC).
            • That's fine then, but remember that Twinkle doesn't work with Internet Explorer, and since I use IE, that's why I don't use Twinkle. Good luck with rollback. :) Acalamari 23:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
              • I will do my best to revert vandalism, warn users, and report it to WP:AIV. Cirt (talk) 23:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC).


A belated thank you for your RFA support! Archtransit (talk) 21:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bowfinger

Cirt, it looks like you have a really nice handle in that article. You've used a lot of print sources (I assume via a subscription-only database), so I don't know how much more you'll be able to find. I've looked at Film Index International, and I've put together a list of resources from there: User:Erik/Bowfinger. I don't know how much will be of use. There may be additional resources in film magazines, but these are the hardest to dig out. I'll try to check with the databases I can access to see if there's anything further. I may not get back to you so quickly as I have a busy weekend ahead of me. Let me know if you have any questions! —Erik (talkcontrib) - 14:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that most films that have some kind of presence at the box office will have a fair amount of critical reaction. Even for a film like Surf Ninjas, there was a lot of critical reaction despite so little production information. It's possible that Bowfinger may not have much to it -- sometimes films are not explored for their production value. I only copied and pasted these citations quickly this morning. Now I've been able to dig up a few articles. They're at the subpage, commented out. Hope you can make good use of them! —Erik (talkcontrib) - 17:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Prairie Ave FAC

Thanks for the positive comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Prairie Avenue. I thought you might want to revisit yoru coments given the other feedback and consider actually voicing support since you were an original supporter.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I think I've already summed up my thoughts pretty well over there. Cirt (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC).

Cruise bio

Nice edit here. --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks. Cirt (talk) 00:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC).

Just a note

Discussion at the A Tale of a Tub FAR was intense and vigorous on both sides. I wanted to drop you a line to let you know that for me, it's never personal, and that if we cross paths again in the project, I would look forward to working together productively with you. Best regards, -- Bellwether BC 13:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Television's featured portal nomination


The portal you nominated at featured portal candidates on January 8 2008 has been promoted to featured portal status. Well done. You can view eventual comments at the nomination page. Best regards, Rudget. 17:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Duck Soup peer review

BTW, you wouldn't mind giving the Duck Soup article a peer review, would you? The peer review process is nearing it's month-long limit date, so I'd appreciate one last submission of feedback before that review is archived. — Cinemaniac (talkcontribs) 03:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Wow, long review already. I'll take a look. Cirt (talk) 03:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC).
  • The peer review has recently been archived. Thanks for the consideration, though. If you still want to leave comments on how to improve the article, you are welcome to leave them on the talk page. — Cinemaniac (talkcontribs) 21:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks for letting me know. Cirt (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


That's alright. I just want to make this site as a good as possible. ISD (talk) 13:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

re: The Wiz

No problem, man. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Indiana Portal

Joe did a great job of getting The Indiana Portal up and running. I added some things and put it up for a portal peer review. How's it look? RichardF (talk) 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll take a look, I had actually noticed your work on it. Cirt (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Simpsons

If you get a chance, can you look over Selma's Choice and see if it is GA ready? Ctjf83talk 23:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Okay, I'll try when I next get a chance. Cirt (talk) 23:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 00:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, just give me about 15 minutes to download and install a program (I have very slow internet) -- Scorpion0422 05:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The Principal and the Pauper

I was looking through this, do you think it has potential for FA? I'm going to make a couple of adjustments to it, but I think it does have that potential and could be ready shortly. What do you think? Qst 16:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Aww, thanks Cirt!  :) xihix(talk) 21:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

re:battlefield earth

I'm not really sure what you mean. The article is still GA class, so I assume you're saying you want another eval per the GA criteria, as if I was doing a sweep on it? I can if you want, shouldn't take long. VanTucky 00:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

More portal color samples

See Portal:Box-header. RichardF (talk) 04:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Wow, thanks! Cirt (talk) 04:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

On a derivative note...I posted some questions to ponder at Portal talk:Visual arts#Random box-header subpage. Any comments? :-) RichardF (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


No problem. Unfortunately, I can't access any of the sources at the moment, but they are out there for anyone who's interested. Zagalejo^^^ 06:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Public sphere

Cirt, I am asking you and another editor to look at a project I am working on, and tell me if it makes sence so far.

I have been editing the Public Sphere for a little while now, and it is heading into a direction that I am happy with, I am about half way through with what I want to do. My problem is that it is a highly specialised page, and that I seem to be the only one editing it (outside of typo correction). It reads well for me, but then again I know the topic matter.

I was wondering if you would be able to look at what I have so far (through the Counterpublic section) and tell me if it makes sence. I am looking for someone who has no experience with public sphere theory, because if the page sounds like gobily gook to them...its a poorly writen page. if you have the time, look it over and tell me what makes sence, and what questions you have about public sphere theory. this would greatly help me in my future edits to the page. Coffeepusher (talk) 19:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry I haven't gotten to this yet, I'll try to take a look soon. Cirt (talk) 11:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC).

The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson

Seems like the peer review has slowed down. Now, what do you suggest we do about the themes section? It doesn't seem like there is enough information out there for one to be made... I'm also getting anxious to nominate it for WP:FAC. xihix(talk) 21:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You may go ahead and archive it. xihix(talk) 03:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
So, where do we go from here? xihix(talk) 01:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Cirt, could you add that new information that Maitch left on the FAC page? I'd add it, but I'm not sure how to fit it in the Reception section, as it would be too short for it's own paragraph, wouldn't really fit in the first one, and I can't add it in the second paragraph without making it sound awkward, since the two people that wrote it are the same. Thanks! xihix(talk) 22:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Cirt (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

scientology prods

I have no particular opinion about the ultimate view of the community on these articles, but essentially all scientology-related deletions are controversial, so there is no point using prod unless the articles is so totally trivial you really don't think it will be defended. Anyone can just remove the tag. I've removed a few that Ive noticed. I very strongly urge you, that when you send them to AfD, as i expect you will, that you send them only a few at a time, and that you use an individually crafted deletion rationale for each of them, explaining what you consider to be wrong with the particular sources used. If they are going to be considered, aim for relatively straightforward discussions--these topics sometimes give problems, and it is best not to use short-cuts. 03:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talkcontribs)

  • I had explained my rationale in the prods, a great majority of them very obviously don't satisfy notability. Cirt (talk) 03:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
    • As per your above suggestions, I have sent them individually and not listed them in a batch at AfD, and have also given "individual crafted rationale for each of them", explaining why notability is not established. Cirt (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
Good, should be some interesting discussions. I will most likely deprod some others after i see how the AfDs proceed. DGG (talk) 04:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, that seems to be how the process goes. Cirt (talk) 04:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
I've scanned a couple of them, which looked like they were sub-article-topics pulled out of mega-article-topics (examples: Tone Scale, KRC/ARC, MEST), and in some cases, had any introduction, or references, or discussion that were critical or weren't official CoS canon pulled out of the articles, leaving them as hollow shells. Which would, of course, leave them looking exactly like, as you put it in one case, "Notability not established in secondary sources, all sources used are self-referential". Having kicked around this article space for a good long while now, I wish you happy editing and calm discussion, as all articles on Scientology-related topics are under probation[1]. Ronabop (talk) 07:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't follow the gist of your comment though, does that mean you agree with my assessment of the lack of notability of the articles? Cirt (talk) 07:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
Well, notability to *who*, and *how* can be touchy. I think I saw you make a point (forget where, though) about other religions using their holy texts as the basis to form articles, and if the end result really belonged in their own wikipedia articles. Compare these relatively minor pieces of other belief systems, and their articles: [2], [3], [4], [5] [6].... see the problem here? If a major *topic* is considered notable, often, the nooks and crannies of that topic are also thought of as notable. While you can make an argument that notability is not being *asserted* in many of the articles, some articles (especially religious ones) don't do such a thing, as a matter of course. For example, the first mention of notability in God refers to theologians, not God. ;) Ronabop (talk) 07:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • (outdent) - I see your point, but in general I like the General notability guideline, from Wikipedia:Notability - "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Cirt (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
I've removed your PRODs on the basis of your obvious ignorance of the subject. I don't question your good faith, I do however question your judgement - PRODding Tone scale indicates you haven't a clue about what's notable and what isn't in the area, a question which can't be resolved by the application of a box-checking exercise as you are claiming to have done - David Gerard (talk) 12:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I responded specifically regarding Tone Scale at that particular AfD. As for removing the PRODs - that is of course your choice as part of the deletion process on the project if you wish to. Cirt (talk) 12:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC).


I have the mop but can you search the RFA meeting shown to find the bucket?
<font=3> Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 60/0/0 on Monday!

I want to thank Mrs.EasterBunny and Royalbroil for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. To paraphrase a president ... I wish my mum and dad could see the comments made. My dad would be so proud to see the comments ... and my mum would have believed them". I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and you may be surprised to find that I have not deleted all of the pages by accident..... yet).

Thanks again, Victuallers (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Dr Johnson - Dictionary writer Boswell - Biographer Sir Joshua Reynolds - Host David Garrick - actor Edmund Burke - statesman Pasqual Paoli - Corsican patriot Charles Burney - music historian Thomas Warton - poet laureate Oliver Goldsmith - writer My co-nominator - majestically hot water? A bucket for you My nominator - a seasonal female married rabbit servant - poss. Francis Barber Play about ... can you find the bucket?
An early RFA meeting to decide if Victuallers can be included as a sysop - use cursor to identify.
  • Wow, very nice, congratulations! Cirt (talk) 13:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are you removing my stuff from the 21st. Century Democrats article?

Please don't remove stuff from the article while I am working on it. I have added references for everything that I have put in since you pointed it out. If am doing something wrong tell me, but I don't think I am. Littlebutter (talk) 17:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

  • If you check, I put back what was sourced. I have only removed unsourced violations of WP:OR. Cirt (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I see that you did. However it is obvious that I am working on the article right now. Please give me a little bit of time. I can't see what the big deal is? It is weird to me that you won't just let me work on the article. You keep making changes to the article almost as soon as I am done with it. Why are you paying such close attention to what I am doing? Littlebutter (talk) 17:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I just want to make sure that the article is not one big pile of unsourced WP:OR violations, and whole swathes of sections sourced only to primary sources. But I'll leave you some time to add some secondary sources to the article - of which at present there is still only one secondary source. Cirt (talk) 17:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hell Is Other Robots

I'll do all I can for this, but there are a couple which I will have to leave to you, as I don't have access to the DVD commentary fo the episode. I assume you have it, as you wrote a lot of it. Thanks, Qst 19:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Scientology musical

Hello again. I've done a minor update on the article to slim down some repetition, although I think the article is looking better and better. I notice that there are a number of places where two or three references are given for a single assertion. For casual wikipedia readers, the over-referencing makes the text look as if it is bristling with academia. Plus, if one reference is the most reliable/verifiable one, it is better to just show the best one. Would you kindly see if you think all of them are needed? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you in general, but I'm really referring to places where you have three sources for a relatively non-controversial statement, like "the show was produced in 2007 in Philadelphia." I don't plan to delete any of your references, but I really think you would improve readability and also make the best references easier to find by weeding out a few of the less needed ones, especially where they are weaker than another reference for the same assertion. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

CTC Vandal

We have made a list of vandals that continually vandalizes Kill Gil: Vols. 1 & 2 by changing "Christmas" to "Crime", the list can be found here. If you revert the vandalism, i would give the warning {{subst:uw-vandalism4im|Article}} which says this is the only warning they will receive. When reporting to vandalism noticeboard link to the list of vandals, and hopefully the IP will get blocked quicker, and for a longer period of time. Ctjf83talk 21:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Okay, thanks for the notice. Cirt (talk) 21:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
    • oh, and be sure to add any new IPs to the list page....thanks! Ctjf83talk 21:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
      • we were debating about that, i could try, put per my admin training, i'm not sure one vandal every day or two is enough to get it protected..i'll try right now though Ctjf83talk 21:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
        • is semi-protected for a week Ctjf83talk 22:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology

Hey! Thanks for "tightening the source" on that one. Cheers. --Critical Commentary (talk) 11:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

  • No prob. Thanks for starting to use edit summaries. Cirt (talk) 11:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Chilling Effects

What exactly is that template for? It makes no sense and so people dont click on its links. In a way because of this its sorta like spam. --Critical Commentary (talk) 11:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Let's discuss this on the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 11:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again, this will probably be the last for tonight. I just clicked "show" on the template and it makes sense. Cheers --Critical Commentary (talk) 11:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah. An understandable oversight. Cirt (talk) 11:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


Can you look over Duffless and see if it is ready? Ctjf83talk 21:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Battlefield Earth

Assessment posted to talk. Thanks so much for you patience, VanTucky 00:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

wikipedia:requests for adminship/DDima Thanks for your support at my request for adminship, which passed today with 42/0/0!

I would like to thank Wizardman for nominating me, Cirt/Archive 2 and everyone else for their support and comments. I'll continue with contributing to the encyclopedia's content (hopefully writing an FA here and there :) and will help out with admin-related tasks which you just entrusted me with. If you need any help, don't hesitate to ask!

Thanks again, —dima/talk/ 01:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology

hai2u Cirt...since you seem to be moar knowledgeable in wiki ways and are keeping an eye on said article, I has a question (or two): I have knowledge of certain IRL protests being planned by Anon at Scientology centres worldwide. Of course, they're hardly secret but only soarceable thru the *chans and ED which -even I know- won't stand up to wikipedia's sauce police. 2. I have a photoshooped .jpg I created for a planned protest in London on Feb 10. Given that I prolly can't include 'further actions' in the article til they happen and old media reports on it, is there any point in uploading it? --Piepie (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Digg Ok, i will find a source. Arghlookamonkey (talk) 15:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Triple crowns

Thanks for all the contributions you've made with the triple crown awards. I've been looking for an assistant to help with reviews. Would you have time to help? Please touch base if you do. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 06:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


Nah, we nominated season 8 while one of the articles wasn't even a GAC and it also only had 2 FAs at the time. I discussed it with Xihix and we decided to go for it. -- Scorpion0422 01:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Saskatchewan/archive1

Thank you for taking the time to review this portal. The changes that were requested made sense, and have been attended to. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 02:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know, I'll take another look. Cirt (talk) 02:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology

Sorry...I was being lazy. I'm actually trying to find out if the OP and it's mirror are the same guy. The mirror just put up another Anon video. --Piepie (talk) 05:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

--Piepie (talk) 05:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

After reading that AN thread...

I don't know if you're Smee or not, and I do not want to know. But I do want to say that, in my eyes, it is a great compliment to be associated with that username. Smee was a great editor who did a lot of good, and was highly supportive of me on a difficult article. These bizarre cult subjects need attention to stop the POV pushers, and I am glad to see somebody has stepped up to the plate. Happy editing, Jeffpw (talk) 15:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Noted. Cirt (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Principal and the Pauper

I think I copyedited it once. Would that impeach the reviewing rules? Alientraveller (talk) 16:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Regime Pwnt

The Regime got backraided and pwnt. Unsauced unfortunately. I got caps of the pwnt front page.

--Piepie (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Got anything better than that? Reports from a secondary source that satisfies WP:RS/WP:V? Cirt (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Not yet. It just came to my attention via the wiki who's name dare not be mentioned. I put out some comments in forums so I'm hoping to get a couple of bites.

--Piepie (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

dugg. --Piepie (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I know digg isn't WP:RS/WP:V. Ima stay on it and hit you up with links etc. as and when found. Also, since wikinews did the original story on The Regime h4x, isn't a follow-up in order? I can break you off with g00ns info if you want an interview. --Piepie (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page

JERRY talk contribs 01:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Hehe, I replied on your talkpage too. Cirt (talk) 01:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Cirt. My apologies for mentioning this again (that is if you have read what i wrote in the discussion section of Scientology page, but if not, well here it is..) the page on Xenu is a very comprehensive page (though apparently some people disagree with that) but the only reason I found the Xenu page was that I saw the related Southpark episode and wanted to verify its validity. i had looked up scientology page previously (I've always been very interested in the background of all cults and religions)but I am amazed that there is no mention of Xenu there and I think that even just a small line with a link would suffice to let the reader know about the science-fiction side of it as well, in particular when the article exists already in such details. I would have done it myself to be honest but i noticed it is not possible to edit (quite understandable I must admit). I would be grateful if you could act on the matter or let me know if it is not possible to do for any reason. Many thanks. Qorveh (talk) 01:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Will respond on user's talk. Cirt (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 05:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Though you did get a lot of support, there were also some concerns raised by many users. I had commented in the "neutral" section, sorry but I just couldn't make up my mind on this one, after reading through all the other comments. But at any rate, please continue to contribute content to the project, you have done some great work here, and I hope you will continue to do so. Cirt (talk) 05:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology

Glad to help. I find the topic kind of interesting, myself. Also, I have a somewhat sick and twisted (maybe?) goal of improving the article to GA or better. Ultimately, it benefits the project (Wikipedia, I mean), and in my own mind, it would be funny. Epic lulz, even. ;) LaMenta3 (talk) 06:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

COIN discussion of interest

Cirt, in case it had escaped your notice: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Osho.2FBhagwan Shree Rajneesh: Editorial process being dictated by followers -Pete (talk) 10:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the notice. Cirt (talk) 11:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


Because it has then CoS logo in it? I made other shoops for the project that have no copyrighted logos if that's better. --Piepie (talk) 12:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the help. :) Duct tape tricorn (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

New vid

I'm sorry. I had vowed to let you have the links to add. Insomnia is a mofo. My bad. --Piepie (talk) 12:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Outfoxing TOW logic

How about I just have my friend at the LA Times run a blurb? lulz...jk. --Piepie (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Anon Pix

What do you need exactly? I shooped half the pix on the wiki that dare not be mentioned and on the Project Chanology Fæcesbook pages. This one for instance... I would say is fair use. And... --Piepie (talk) 14:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmm...I'm a bit foggy on what flies around here and what doesn't. Tell me what you think the article needs exactly (and why the images I showed you don't cut it on TOW) and I'll shoop it.--Piepie (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • BTW...I less than 3 you. I've not had a TOW regular talk to me liek a human being in my 2/3 years here.

--Piepie (talk) 15:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson

Just wondering if you're up for some work on this. The article is already at quite a high standard, but its FAC is not going to well and it could do with some general copy-edit and other work. Are you up for it, as Xihix asked me if I could give a hand the other day on IRC, and, two heads are better than one. Qst (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Triple crown thanks

Hi Cirt, thanks very much for the triple crown! I will wear it with pride. PeterSymonds | talk 17:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Hey, you rightfully deserve it. Cirt (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


Is there a reason I missed that the was removed from external links? --Piepie (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I did not see that ... Cirt (talk) 04:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Simpson Psych

Yeah, forgot to add it to GA nom page, got busy before....I would review it, but I really like the Simpsons and I wouldn't want to be biased about my review :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi, can you go onto IRC if it's possible? Xihix has some exciting news. -- Scorpion0422 04:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree, get on as soon as possible. To see what it's basically about, read WP:DOH's talk page. xihix(talk) 22:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

wikinews story? --Piepie (talk) 06:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Meh, bring it up to the folks at Wikinews, or of course, feel free to create an account there and start writing stuff, we'd welcome new contributors! [[User: :-) There's quite a lot to be done ...Cirt|Cirt]] (talk) 06:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Maybe I should. I actually used to get paid to write. --Piepie (talk) 19:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL WUT --Piepie (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Apology to Cirt

I'd like to say sorry for being such an arse on those AFDs last week. I may have disagreed with the deletion nominations, but being a dick was not the way to do it. I shall try to do better.

When I get a spare bl**dy second (stupidly busy at work and home), I do look forward to working with you on our Scientology articles!

Will also get to that last email too - David Gerard (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:FILMS Barnstar

Filmbarnstar.png The WikiProject Films Award
I, Nehrams2020 (talk), hereby award Cirt the WikiProject Films Award for his/her valued contibutions to the Films WikiProject. Thank you for your dedicated work in helping Portal:Film to reach featured status, and bringing several film articles up to GA status. Keep up the good work and I hope you continue to improve film-related articles on Wikipedia!
Awarded 23:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much! This comes at the perfect time to cheer me up and make me feel valued on this project. Cirt (talk) 23:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
No problem, and you definitely are a valued member! By the way, you're also the main story in this month's WP:FILMS newsletter, so all members will see that in a few days. If you want to add more information to it, you can see it here. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!Cirt (talk) 04:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the offer. Half the fun is the battle :-). And by the way Happy New Year and just think if you got paid for this :-). Shoessss |  Chat  00:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Man, how did you get involved with that? Anything I can do, without dragging my name into it :-) let me know. Seriously, need help in anything, just drop a note. Shoessss |  Chat  01:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

McPherson image

I'd be happy to move the image to commons, but I do not have an account there. I only rarely upload images (I borrowed a camera during my lunch), and am not very knowledgable about copyright, so Commons is a bit of foreign ground. However, if you were to upload the image there, I would be happy to translate the image info into several languages, that is one of my talents. Also, what specifically should I put on the image page? RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 05:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You have been there at every stage

CPR Barnstar.png The Barnstar of Recovery
The Project Chanology page was a lost cause, and you have helped it along through every stage, from the original edits, through the RfD, through the personal attacks levied against you the article still seems to be coming along. Coffeepusher (talk) 06:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you. This particular choice of barnstar, coming from you, with the words you have chosen above, mean a lot to me. Cirt (talk) 06:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • You deserve it, even now you are working hard on the article (I know, you just did an edit)...I even spelled Levied right (but misspelled original...unfortunatly I just wouldn't be me otherwise).Coffeepusher (talk) 06:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Hehe, that's fine. Looks like the AfD is turning out to be an "epic fail" for those that want it to be deleted... Cirt (talk) 06:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't know if I'm replying in the right place here, but I wanted to thank the page owner too. I've taken a LONG break from contributing to Wiki just exactly for some of the foolishness that we see going on the Chanology page, namely: a determined group of editors with an agenda to push obfuscating entries. Thanks for the great effort, I could use about 3 more of you on the Nation of Gods and Earths and NOI pages. Thanks again.--Ason Abdullah (talk) 08:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
There is no page owner - in fact, Coffeepusher (talk · contribs) and LaMenta3 (talk · contribs) have been helping out a great deal. Cirt (talk) 11:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
        • Yesh...thank you Cirt. I admit to being active in the Project so I'm not strictly NPOV (I 'lost' someone special to the cult) but I try to be in reporting this. I'm an oldfag IRL activist from London (where you don't get sued for fighting back at protests) and I find this new Interntes 'hactivism' truly amazing; I wish we had it when we were fighting racist skinheads at Rock Against Racism. --Piepie (talk) 12:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Anon salutes you, Cirt! EvilStorm (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been at least a week, and you are still working hard. Thank you for your dillagence.Coffeepusher (talk) 20:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology

Hi there. I put a message on the article's talk page and saw your message on my page after I saved it. Check it out :) SouperAwesome (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Replied at article's talk. Cirt (talk) 13:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Oh, and by the way, thanks for the links to the Arbitration pages! I did read them. SouperAwesome (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, in relation to me putting a neutrality banner on the page, it seems to me the article's neutrality is already in question and is being discussed [here]. What else do you want me to do to justify it? Starcraftmazter (talk) 07:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I have done as you requested Starcraftmazter (talk) 08:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Here you go!

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
Thank you for your fabulous reviews in featured portal candidates OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

As a sidenote, I really hope you can reconsider to be one of the featured portal co-directors because Dihydrogen Monoxide was not doing much lately. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thank you so much! Cirt (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
That was a really fast reply! The reason why I'm looking for someone is because I will be busy with my exams throughout the February and I don't want a huge backlog sitting there waiting when I come back in March. Do you have any candidate suggestion? OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Triple crown

Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work on California Gold Rush, and congrats on getting it as a WP:TFA back in February! May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much - and thanks for picking this up for Durova! The California Gold Rush article was a lot of work and a lot of fun! Thanks again! NorCalHistory (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter

The February 2008 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is ready! Dr. Cash (talk) 05:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Osho COI

If you have time would you mind taking a quick look at the COII've raised and offer an opinion, if you have one, or feel inclined to give one.CheersSemitransgenic (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I will take a look, not sure if I will be able to add anything. Cirt (talk) 17:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

peer review

I was wondering if you could take some time out of your schedule to head over to the Heroes (TV series) talkpage and give us an honest peer review. The page has gone through some major changes in the last few months, and it would be fantastic if a prominent editor/contributor like yourself, could head over and give us at the Heroes Wikiproject some sound opinion and ideas on improvements for the page. We have all worked very hard at improving the page, and we need great outside, reliable and trustworthy users to come over and help us improve. I you are interested in joining the peer review discussion with other prominent users/contributors, much like yourself, please follow the link. Thank you very much for your help and your continued effort to improve Wikipedia and its quality! Wikipedia:Peer review/Heroes (TV series)/archive2--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 04:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's an awesome TV show, I'll take a look soon. Cirt (talk) 06:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Scientology Logos

These logos are not being used to represent the organisation. The Scientology symbol represents the Scientology belief on the KRC and ARC triangles. Being this a main Scientology belief and a important part of the article, it is needed to illustrate the relationship betwen the Scientology beliefs and it's symbols.

The Scientology cross represents the belief of the eight dynamics of life. Another important concept in Scientology.

The logos are being used in fair use for educational purposes.

To remove these logos would take away the ability to explain what these symbols mean. Bravehartbear (talk) 12:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

This is a discussion better suited for the images for deletion discussion pages. Cirt (talk) 12:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Fight Club

I'm biased in this regard, but Fight Club (film) (A-class) implements some quote boxes. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 21:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, sir.

But are you an expert on chanology? Could you please prove 4chan had any dealing in the matter? Vael Victus (talk) 23:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology usage

You may be interested to see this - it's obviously getting some significant public interest. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Good luck with Battlefield Earth (film), it's looking very good! Also a very nice read. Nice! xihix(talk) 04:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

That stinks. Oh well, it definitely looks like it's going to be promoted soon. Good luck with it though! xihix(talk) 04:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Why not? We still use it at WP:FLC. -- Scorpion0422 04:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that, but you shouldn't go into too much detail in the lead. I believe the current version does adequately summarise the article, and although it doesn't mention anything from the legecy section, that one is only two sentences long, so I think mentioning it gives it undue weight. -- Scorpion0422 15:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Nah, I needed some poking to get me going. Alientraveller (talk) 15:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


I looked through the peer review and I think everything that we wanted to address was addressed. A couple suggestions we decided to wait on, so I think we are good to go for FP. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Project Chanology

Well, as I said, I hadn't reviewed the article in any detail, just read through it and taken a glance at the sources. Articles that attract vandalism aren't forbidded from being good articles- point five of the criteria specifically says that it doesn't include vandalism reversion. If, however, you feel that the article is still growing at a good rate, then now would not be the time for GAC. As for the matter of me reviewing as a good article candidate- I've never done one before, and I wouldn't want my first to be a controversial topic I know nothing about, I'd rather it was something like an obscure band or album. However, I would be more than happy to peer review (something I definately do know about through my work with the heavy metal WikiProject, and various other articles) the article, so do let me know if you either nominate it (which is something I reccomend if you have not done so before) or if you just want an informal peer review. J Milburn (talk) 18:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


The Comedy Portal has been promoted to featured portal status. I guess you know the script by now, so I'll lay off with the stars :) Regards, Rudget. 19:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did my change get reverted

Hi, this is cid935. You reverted my change on the Project Chanology page. I understand why the first time, its true that I had cited no source. I'm less clear on the second time. If you look down the Project Chanology page to where they talk about the Anthrax Hoax, they say that the DDoS attacks were a short term attention getting measure, and if you look further down at current missions, they have DDoS, black faxes, and prank calls all in crossout font. In addition, I believe this is a reliable source, as the Chanology wiki is Project Chanology's main page. Please let me know where I am going wrong. Thank you, Cid935 (talk) 05:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion better suited for that article's talk page, Talk:Project Chanology. And by the way, I agree with Bjweeks (talk · contribs)'s response to you, on that talk page. Cirt (talk) 05:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Xenuobey.svg The Xenu Barnstar
For your amazing work on the Project Chanology article. BJTalk 09:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Cirt (talk) 12:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Though that message may have been automated, I appreciate it. Trying to get the gist of wikipedia and help out. I've actually been reading the Simpsons Season 8 drive for a long time, and have known you for a while. It's really that drive that inspired me to start editing. Haris145 (talk) 00:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Your Chanology "nonviolence" comment

You say that one of my edits to the Chanology page was unnecessary due to it being repeated later on and their partyvan page not being a reliable source. IF the partyvan page cannot be viewed as reliable in that aspect, what about the code of conduct video posted on youtube by the same member who posted the call to action video. It clearly states a nonviolent approach in their methods. This is worth mentioning in the context of "guerrilla tactics" because it makes a big difference to the reader. Just my thoughts. Weedbag (talk) 04:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A discussion more relevant (and already taking place in more detail) for the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 04:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

My bad

Somebody pointed out the punctation and what I turned up on Google said it was wrong, never thought to read the MOS. BJTalk 14:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Cirt (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


NEVAR FORGET! William Ortiz (talk) 06:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I won't. Cirt (talk) 06:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
This looks like it will be an Epic Win!, we will have alot of stuff to add to the article...I know the Dc protest alone is estimated to be over 500 people.Coffeepusher (talk) 07:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. It will be interesting to see if this movement's energy carries; and if they have an effect on the organization. Needless to say, the 15th will be interesting. Daler (talk) 06:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The 15th will be interesting. Cirt (talk) 13:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but what is your malfunction?

Vandalism? I gave my reason for editing that Xenu article when I made the edits. Those pictures only add to the overal cynicism of that Xenu page. I'm simply trying to make the page more neutral. Those pictures aren't necessary. I remain by my decision to remove them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Boss Inc. (talkcontribs) 15:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Will respond on user's talk page. Cirt (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Three-revert rule

Just to make sure you know that you and Big Boss Inc are both within one revert of violating the Three-revert rule on Xenu. Please stop, and discuss your views on the article's talk page instead. TSP (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. Cirt (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done, Started a new subsection at Talk:Xenu to discuss inclusion of the images, and gave notice at TSP (talk · contribs) and Big Boss Inc. (talk · contribs). Waiting for some discussion on the talk page. Cirt (talk) 16:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Just Delete It?

I think we should just delete that Portal:Oregon/Things you can do page, to prevent any future confusion. Any objection? -Pete (talk) 21:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, added {{db-author}} to it. Cirt (talk) 21:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! -Pete (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Is someone fixing the portal then? Aboutmovies (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like Mike Rosoft (talk · contribs) fixed it. Cirt (talk)
Whoooops! Sorry guys…glad that one got caught quick :-/ -Pete (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon invitation

Oregon DEM relief map.png You are invited to join WikiProject Oregon, a WikiProject dedicated to improving articles related to the U.S. state of Oregon. You received this invitation because of your interest in Oregon and/or your edits to Oregon articles. If you would like to join, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of participants.

Katr67 (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Since you seem to've given us a whole lot of devotion…I second that emotion! -Pete (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, thanks! Cirt (talk) 05:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Citations and intros

[7] Cirt, you need to have citations in the intro AND in the body. Any fact that is not obvious (I.E. the world is round) MUST be cited and attributed. You need to explain who said what (In the intro and the body!) and where that comes from. You do not have to go in detail in the intro, but you still need to say who said it. You still need sources in the intro. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

"in the lead section of non-controversial subjects" is the key word. Scientology is incredibly controversial, so that information has to be cited. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Stand Alone Complex

Hi. I mean no disrespect by my comments, I just wanted to give you my thought. I saw you didn't like my source for stand alone complex. I can't put it up for more than 2 seconds before someone goes and takes it down. Please, let wikipedia do its job of people finding sources. Everything on wikipedia doesn't have to be sourced perfectly the moment it goes up. Its a collaborative process.

Project Chanology is clearly a stand alone complex. Maybe it doesn't deserve its own section. But people are commenting on it being a stand alone complex. Notice I didn't say it was a stand alone complex in my post, but that at least one commentator has noted that it is. I put it in the reaction section. I think someone's reaction on a blog is a reaction.

ALSO. The reaction section quotes a guy named Nick Douglas of Who is he? Why is he more deserving of a reaction than the blog I posted.

Michael.passman (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Will respond on the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 21:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I posted a couple more sources. I could probably find more if I searched harder. The point isn't that this necessarily proves that it is a stand alone complex. The point is that people all over the web are reacting to it as if it is and understanding that it is. Michael.passman (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Please see Thanks, (talk) 03:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Preity Zinta


The article failed GA, and I find it completely unfair. Please see my comment on the talk page. I disagree with TonyTheTiger's review for the simple fact that I'm not forced to add any other reviews from Western critics, and it is not supported by any GIAFA criterion. And if you see, in the NYT site, there are no other reviews describing her film performances at all. She is an Indian, I can't see why we must add Western reviews when A) Western reviews cannot describe her better than Indian ones. B) There are not many Western reviews describing her film performances at all. In the NYT, there is only one review describing her performance in the film Salaam Namaste (which makes its presence on the article), and nothing else. I find this review completely unfair, and there is no basis to his claims. Please do something. This article is definitely a GA, and that was also your conclusion. Regards, ShahidTalk2me 17:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I will take a look. Cirt (talk) 17:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello again. His answer is unequivocal: "I would fail it without a few highly respected western refs"
I can't invent "well respected western reviews". This requirement is not supported by any WIAGA criterion, and is merely his personal view. All the refs are reliable (newspapers, leading websites), reviews are representative and represent the majority view, there is one NYT review (the only I could find. I have no other ones. What can I do?) and two Variety reviews; everything is well measured, well balanced and well sourced. I don't care who reads it (I mean, Westerners/Easterns etc.). She is an actor (BTW, not an American one), and we are here to present representative comments by critics on her performances, from well respected newspapers, regardless of what country they are published in. I still can't see the point. The Times of India, The Hindu, The Tribune, Rediff -- all of them are reliable and well respected, not less than American newspapers. It's unfair. Please tell me, what's your take? ShahidTalk2me 22:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest taking this to WP:GAR. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Can't you please review the article when you have time for it? It takes some really long time, without any reason, with claims which are not even based on WP:WIAGA. That's so unfair, and your review via GA criteria proved that the article was indeed a GA, and since this review of yours, the article has improved further. ShahidTalk2me 23:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm saying that because this very page says, "If the explanation given was unreasonable, none of the above apply, and you believe that the article does fulfill all the requirements, then you can ask other editors to reassess the article and/or the decision here" ShahidTalk2me 23:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for my bothering attitude. I only ask you, please, if you don't intend to review the article at all, please let me know. Thanks, ShahidTalk2me 16:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It would not be appropriate for me to pass the article as a GA, when TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) has brought up some valid, albeit contentious, points in his GA review. The more appropriate venue would be WP:GAR, so that multiple people can review it. Cirt (talk) 16:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeh I see. If I were you, I would do the same, that's really a complicated situation. Thank you for taking it to GAR. Regards, ShahidTalk2me 17:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


You posted to WP:AE about a dustup with User:JustaHulk recently. You already know that I concluded no case for Arbitration Enforcement exists. As the complaint also archived off WP:AN/I with no additional comments, I've now closed out the WP:AE report. Please read the guidance on dispute resolution.

It is expected that both you and he, despite your strongly disagreeing points of view, are here to contribute to this as an encyclopedia. One of the foundational pillars is the WP:NPOV policy - all editors are expected to try to make articles neutral. Learning to work with others whose point of view you disagree with is important. It isn't always easy, but successful editors pull it off.

Also, as it says at WP:AE#Enforcement: "Most editors under ArbCom sanction are neither trolls nor vandals and should be treated with the same respect as any other editor. We should still Assume Good Faith. ArbCom decisions are designed to be coercive, not punitive. Gaming the system at editors under ArbCom sanction is about as civilized as poking sticks at caged animals." The remedy that JustaHulk is under is intended to provide a balanced editing environment, but "implies no judgement concerning Justanother's conduct". Many editors have their actions extensively discussed without a finding, and you need to treat this editor as being in good standing. GRBerry 19:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking now at your concurrent post to my talk page, I see two explanations for your post to AE. One is that you didn't realize your complaint was inappropriate, the other is that you were gaming the system. Either way you needed a civility comment. As I wrote the above post, I decided to start with an educational tone. GRBerry 19:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Response at user's talk page. Also please note this comment at the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard from ChrisO (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 19:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppetry case

It is Reddyb beyond reasonable doubt; reporting him on WP:AN/I would have resulted in an immediate block. I have a long history of run-ins with this particular user, having been involved in most of his reported cases. However, I'm realising that this is more of a case of attention-seeking rather than disruption as such, thus my reluctance at continuing to get this user blocked. Look at this edit (by himself) to see what I mean. Ayla (talk) 22:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Done, added some conclusive evidence. Ayla (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:DENY. I'll also be posting to the user's other account soon (please don't report it yet). Ayla (talk) 23:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Lend a hand?

Hi Cirt, I'm really glad you joined us (officially) at Wikiproject Oregon! I wonder if you noticed the recent discussion on the project's talk page, which has led to this effort. Nutshell" the Oregon Historical Society bashed us a little in their announcement of, and we're trying to use the opportunity to grab a little press for WP:ORE and spread the word that there's good stuff happening, and newcomers are welcome to join in. It would be great to have your mind in the mix as we sort this out. Take a look? -Pete (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw that, it looks interesting, I'll take a look later. Cirt (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology (non template)

I added two sources which refer to the "My name is legion" slogan on its article. If you added the WP:OR tag just because of that section, I guess you could remove it now. Ayla (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but what about the majority of the rest of the article, which is completely unsourced? Cirt (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Most "disambiguation"-style pages on Wikipedia are unsourced and no-one really complains (unless their content concerns a controversial topic). But in principle you're right, so feel free to leave it there. Ayla (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, best to leave it. Cirt (talk) 21:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Clown COTW

Greetings once again to members of the best encyclopedia online about Oregon (aka WP:ORE)! Last week we improved Neil Goldschmidt to close to GA level, and moved the Wells Fargo Center from Stub to Start for the Collaboration of the Week. This week we’re clowning around with some bozo from Oregon, Pinto Colvig, and then in an attempt to garner another DYK, the rather stubby Cooper Spur. As always, any contribution is appreciated, and to opt out of these messages visit here.

As we have quite a few new members over the last six months, I’ll make another pitch for our various subprojects. Listed here, you will find a variety of groups focused on specific areas of Oregon from transportation to culture. Not only can you sign up and coordinate work there, but each often has useful sources and templates related to that topic. No pressure, just an introduction to those new to the project. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll stick check out the Collaboration of the Week from time to time, but I'm going to opt out of the notices. Cirt (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi Cirt, would you mind taking a look at I could use some input as to whether this meets WP:NPOV and WP:RS. I think at least some of this should be able to be worked into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigitalC (talkcontribs) 09:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Ayla (talk · contribs) gave a good response. Cirt (talk) 15:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

OhanaUnited's RFA

Mister Rogers Neighborhood

Hi there...I'm confused. You tagged image Image:Bwsweep.jpg for CSD in the Mister Rogers Neighborhood article, but I don't quite understand why or how it's a speedy, and I can't see any info re: that issue on the image page nor on the article page...Could you explain what's going on there? Thanks...Gladys J Cortez 21:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The image was being used in a List article without a fair use rationale for that article, and in any event would not be fair use in that article. I tagged as such and mentioned that article in the edit. Cirt (talk) 21:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Update: See DIFF by Nandesuka (talk · contribs). Looks like it's been fixed, thanks Nandesuka! Cirt (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I actually didn't see the edit to the image, only to the Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood page (which is on my watchlist), and since the problem didn't lie with that article, I didn't know where to look to see where the problem WAS. So, thanks Nandesuka! Thanks, Cirt, for the explanation. (Clarify this, if you would: if an image is used correctly in one article, and has a correct rationale for that article, but is also used in another article where it does NOT have a correct rationale, the image--which is used correctly in at least one place--can be speedied???? Is that true?) Gladys J Cortez 23:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that is true. Obviously the easier fix would be to address the problem within the time allotted by the speedy tag. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology template

If you have time, could you please give a quick look at the first seven entries in Template:Project Chanology protests, February 10 2008 table and give your opinion about the new reference attachments? I tried to strike a compromise between your suggestion of removing the "N/A" notation and my suggestion of retaining attachment non-ambiguity. If you agree with the new style, I would proceed with changing the rest. Personally, I think I prefer the new style, but I would like to hear your view first. (You might prefer to reply on the template talk page.) Ayla (talk) 17:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Re autosummation question: I had incidentally posted that query two days ago at the help desk (current discussion, permanent link), and it seems that it cannot be done easily. I found no mention of it in Help:Table either. I later decided it might not be a good idea since it can be misleading – we are nowhere near the reported 7000 due to the press cautiously giving conservative estimates, not reporting the figures, or not covering some cities at all. Even the sum for the Max column stands below 4000. Ayla (talk) 18:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
How about a "totals" row which contains the reported figures (by the sources)? See if you agree with this addition. Feel free to revert if not. Ayla (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right about the citations being placed after the comma. I tried to avoid that style just for the pedantic sake of aesthetic consistency, since the last figure in each cell is not succeeded by a comma. Maybe we could replace the commas by a spaced separator, since in that case, the style guideline recommends that the citation precede the punctuation. Since the en dash (–) (Alt+0150) is already being used for expressing ranges, I guess we could use the centred period (•) (Alt+7) as the spaced separator instead. What's your opinion? Ayla (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Notepad's find-and-replace proved helpful in this case. Ayla (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Which information did I omit? I used {{Cite news}} for all the citations in that template. If you're referring to the amalgamation of the "first" and "last" parameters: I prefer using the single "author" parameter since it allows more flexibility in cases such as "Checkey Beckford (reporter), Melody Mendez (news anchor)". Or were you referring to some other data? Ayla (talk) 21:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the discussion regarding the image on the Chanology page, but I just forgot to sign in for that time. this is cs302b. I'll keep you updated on whether or not I get a notice back on that person allowing the use of their image. How does one go about that, by the way? Getting permission validated or whatever, to make sure its not false? (talk) 08:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for writing back with that info.. Sadly, though, I havn't heard back from the user yet. He may have just not logged in since the protest on the 10th. I may have to go hunt for a similar image. I'll get back to you on it when I have some news.Cs302b (talk) 22:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


Good job on the article, glad to support. I hope to some day have all those stars on top of my user page. :) --Laser brain (talk) 05:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hell Is Other Robots

You may wish to see this discussion regarding a brief plot being included in the lead. Cheers, Qst (talk) 13:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

100th featured portal

Actually, it was yours. :) Congratulations. Rudget. 17:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Cirt (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

100th Featured Portal

Certainly worthy of being mentioned in the Wikipedia Signpost. John Carter (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! We shall see. Cirt (talk) 17:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


I was wondering if you could share your view in this RFC. In particular there is a dispute over whether a couple of websites are user generated blogs. I think you are familiar with these two websites so your comment would be appreciated. RB972 21:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I will take a look. Cirt (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I just realised this wasn't clear. The websites I was referring to was and religiousnewsblog being used as sources for when the news articles are deleted from the original host. But if you've chosen to sit this one out feel free. RB972 03:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
If possible, would you please re-visit this Dispute? RB972 insists on including sources that are unverifiable. The reason I dispute these sources is because A) They appeared on a blog-styled sites, where people can self-publish, and B) He now has sourced them but provided no proof of their existence. His links point to nothing.
Why I believe this is dangerous: 1) I disputed the verifiability of the sources to begin with. Now they are even less verifiable. 2) This article's subject matter is involved in an on-going criminal investigation, so media are constantly visiting this article for information. In order to prevent sensational journalism, I believe it is necessary to provide accurate and verifiable sources.
Finally, this article falls under BLP policy. It should be scrutinized thoroughly by all editors, but it seems that my fellow editors are only too willing to source any bit of information so long as it is on the internet somewhere. This trend is troubling, especially so because I am the only person disputing it.
Your help is greatly appreciated. Uptional (talk) 15:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Responded at article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Question (not really sure who to ask, you seem knowledgable)

Whenever I browse to the Talk:Anonymous_(group) talk page, I get logged out. As far as I can tell, this is the only page where this happens. I'm not sure what is going on. My first hypothesis is that this is a bug, except then why is it only one page, and why isn't it affecting everyone? My second is that I have been blocked from the page for unknown reasons (is that what happens when one is blocked?), which is bothersome since all my edits have been in good faith, I have adhered to the WP rules as best I can, there is no explanation on my talk page, and no apparent recourse.

You seem like a level headed editor with a good understanding of Wiki internals. Can you help explain what is going on? Z00r (talk) 11:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I really don't know why that is happening, but I will try to find out a better place for you to ask about it. Cirt (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Seems fixed now. Thanks. Z00r (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)



Just wanted to drop a quick "congratulations" on your very well sourced, well written and engaging article on Project Chanology! (I'm still fairly new, so please bear with me if I've left this message in the wrong place but it otherwise doesn't really contribute to the topic so it didn't feel right putting it in the Chanology discussion page.)

Keep up the sterling work! :) IgorsBrain (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a collaborative effort, couldn't have done it without the help of multiple skilled editors - but thank you. Cirt (talk) 17:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies - I didn't mean to undervalue the fine efforts of the other contributors (newbie mistake on my part I'm afraid)! Your combined efforts have resulted in a genuinely interesting and notable article. Thank you for the welcome message, too, by the way! I look forward to possibly collaborating with you guys on future articles. :) IgorsBrain (talk) 14:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Sound good, let me know if you need any help. Cirt (talk) 14:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey Cirt, I just noticed that there's a stub at Rajneeshee, which doesn't link to the much more excellent content on the subject. My sense is that here in Oregon, that's the name people are most likely to think of when researching the subject, so it seems this situation ought to be remedied. I could slap a few "see also"s on there, but thought I'd bring it up to you, since you're more familiar with the subject. Perhaps some kind of merge or redirect is a better solution. What do you think of doing a navigation template for the Rajneeshees topic? It's a little tough to figure out how all the pieces fit together, that might be a good solution. -Pete (talk) 06:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Um, well there is already the template, {{Osho movement}}, is that what you mean? Cirt (talk) 06:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Um yeah sorry, noticed that right after I posted this, but you beat me to the correction! I'll slap it on the Rajneeshee article, case closed. I think it's time for bed. -Pete (talk) 06:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Man, it's already there too. Okay, I'm getting offline right now. I swear. (Though I think it could stand to be expanded on the stub page.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peteforsyth (talkcontribs) 06:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism

Thanks for reverting the vandalism of my user page. Foobaz·o< 15:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinning (modelling)

Hi there. I've made a few changes to the Pinning (modelling) article since your !vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinning (modelling) and I just wondered whether you still felt the article needed to be deleted. Cheers. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Researchers of Branch Davidians

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Category:Researchers of Branch Davidians, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Cgingold (talk) 14:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


Found this along the way in a barnstar check today. Seems right up your alley. DurovaCharge! 22:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiprojectBarnstar.png The WikiProject Barnstar
For assisting many WikiProjects achieve featured portals. DurovaCharge! 22:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hehe, thanks! And there's a few more WikiProjects left that I'd also like to assist... Cirt (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


Why did you place TOTSE.png up for deletion? It seems to fit with the fair use rationale given on the page: {{Non-free web screenshot}} --YixilTesiphon Say helloBe shallow 05:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is a license tag, not a fair use rationale. Cirt (talk) 05:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)