User talk:ClemRutter/Archives/2008/June

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Well, I'm back in God's own county now. :-) Picked up a nice book today - In Kentish Pilgrim Land by William Coles Finch (1925). Much interesting stuff in there relating to lost chapels and churches, tide mills, etc etc. Will need to read it fully first before I add snippets of info to various articles. Mjroots (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi Clem, thanks for windmill! I'll try and help with the Glossop article, hopefully not discouraging the main contributor Damo789, who drew the street map. If you are looking for an excuse for excisement you can reference Newfoundpool which doesn't have a map to illustrate the acrostic.Ning-ning (talk) 08:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

not at all

I was just taking a view and hopefully try to encourage (rather than create) the middle way. As you say enthusiasm is a scarse commodity. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 15:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


Dear Clem,

Firstly, thanks for your work on wiki ... personally, I admire wiki and use it frequently in a busy life as a special needs teacher, musician and web designer.

I have a little query for you.

I was recently very pleasantly surprised and touched that someone respectful placed me as a 'notable local' in my family home village of Tintwistle.

Now I didn't ask for this, but I am nevertheless grateful and thankful.

I see however that you have now removed my name from the page.

I don't have anything to prove ... I remain a very busy professional, I have a UK Visionary Design award to my credit, I am a veteran of the 1982 Falklands Conflict (aged 18 when I returned home to Tintwistle to a local hero's welcome), I am in demand as both a performing and recording musician, and my special needs work has all it's rewards in the people I have the pleasure of working with.

I am however intrigued as to the criteria with which you would remove a placement that has come from, as it appears, a genuine local from the village itself. As it is, I no longer live there, however my Mother and family home remains, therefore I am deeply pleased to have been noted here.

Maybe you have some judicial badge and local knowledge that rates above and beyond the opinion of someone who simply paid me the greatest, and most moving respect. Whatever that is, I trust your judgment is fair, well researched and consistent throughout your work here.

Your call, dear Sir ...

Best regards, Darren Poyzer —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


Yes, article does look like a good exemplar for Glossop. Judging from the talk page for M. there seems to have been a good editorial process going on. I think that the whole Glossop article should be recast, with removal of a lot of non-notable stuff ("glob of hot food"??), and a proper narrative put in place. I don't know about splitting the article into 3, as I don't know anything about Glossop (yet) other than what I read on Wikipedia! P.S. I am thinking about writing an article on Darren Poyzer, but am having trouble finding reliable secondary sources. Ning-ning (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Some of History Glossop appear to have been a direct copy from [[1]], and the description of 'hop' as A.S. for valley appears to be wrong. The definition of a piece of land enclosed by marshes came from an article on Kent placenames and Beowulf- the poem is apparently virtually the only literary source for the word as a placename suffix. Ning-ning (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Rocking with the police.

Hi Clem. I deleted the photo of Glossop police, which appeared to have been lifted from a website by Damo789- small size compared to Damo's own photos, use of same shot on a Derbyshire police website without accreditation to Damo, etc. seems to suggest this.Ning-ning (talk) 20:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

...and also the twinning association banner. Damo claimed he owns the copyright on this one, which he uploaded in December 2007. He uploaded the street diagram in June 2008- "I created this work entirely by myself". First time I ever saw a graphic artist's skills deteriorate over a 6 month period.Ning-ning (talk) 06:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic detective work! Looking forward to contributing to the new article.

Just been over to Leicester University library- they have three books on Glossop of which one "The Book of G" ISBN 0860234843 has plenty of detail but is written in an unfocused manner. Of particular interest is a period of conflict between the tenants at Glossop, led by Harry Botham, and their landlord George Talbot in 1579-1581 which was intensified by his being married to Bess of Hardwick at the time- she was trying to get her hands on his property and sent agents to Glossop c. 1578. I'll try and hack this into some usable form- will maybe put it on my user page so it doesn't get in the way for now.Ning-ning (talk) 19:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Done and dusted...hmmm naughty Damo (if you do a search you can find a photo of him- clue- he's not the one in the leather jacket and holding a baseball bat in his bedroom)Ning-ning (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

New Glossop's looking good! The humorous history of Glossop parish church is here User:Ning-ning/sub-ning- not 100% sure about the chronology etc. The main source claimed that the east wall with window and doorway of the first tower was found inside the second when they were demolishing it, but also claims that the second was built to the west of the first, so to me it would seem that it should be the west wall they found...Ning-ning (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)