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Welcome to Wikipedia, Cliftonian! I am Genius101 and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Thanks for your support[edit]

Peace dove.svg Peacemaker67 RfA Appreciation award
Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:07, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
no problem at all. Good luck Peacemaker! :) —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 February 2016[edit]

Michael Hordern[edit]

Hello Cliftonian, well it's been a hard slog, but the PR went off with a bang and I finally completed it t'other day. I have listed it at FAC here, should you have any comments. Hope you're well. CassiantoTalk 17:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much Cassinato, a very nice read about a chap I'd known little about. All okay here, hope you're doing well too. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  17:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Great to see how satisfied you are and how much you enjoyed it. Hordern was a very underrated actor, although he was hugely popular among Shakespearean circles. Just one query; which neck of the woods would that be? CassiantoTalk 17:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I lived and worked just up the road from Hordern's birthplace of Berkhamsted in my teens, and I now work in Stevenage—as did Hordern, I learned today. And there's a mention of him writing a report for a paper just up the road in Welwyn. (One of the consequences of having moved around so much during my formative years is that I can plausibly claim many necks of the woods as my own. I also used to live in west London, as Hordern did, but I don't think that really counts as it's so big.) —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:09, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
How interesting. Yes, he certainly got about; Brighton was another residence. I took a trip down there as part of my research and had the pleasure of a guided tour of the Hordern Room, as well as the rest of the college. It also emerged during the draft that he rented flats at Marble Arch, Belgravia, and then Hampstead, something which a jobbing actor today can only dream of. I used to live in the same village as Holst which was a joy, but now, rather unfortunately, reside in the same village as someone rather less talented. I'm left wondering where it all went wrong! CassiantoTalk 18:59, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I remember Chigwell. We used to play your lot at football at school. Seem to recall that we usually lost... —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:06, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Naturally, how brave of you to own up to it! Did you play at Chigwell Hall? That's where I spent most of my sporting youth. I was to go back there years later (per work reasons) and the old place hasn't changed much. CassiantoTalk 19:15, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Is that where Chigwell School play? If so, then probably. I think so. —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:23, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. It's up the road to The King's Head, a public house which can count Dickens among it's former patrons. In terms of playing football there, all I can remember are the ghastly showers which had weeds growing up through the floor tiles and exposed wires in the changing rooms. Mr Fincham, the groundsman, was also a cousin to Len Clark, and boy didn't he tell us! CassiantoTalk 20:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I think it was at Chigwell where after the game they gave us a meal and they had written up on a board "chipped potatoes" rather than chips. While we were queueing up I kept on repeating "chipped potatoes" in a plummy voice and laughing, and eventually the chap serving the food yelled at me: "Here, you got a problem? You'll eat what you're given." I think he'd rather misunderstood what I was getting at. —  Cliftonian (talk)  21:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 February 2016[edit]

Help sought[edit]

Hi Cliftonian. Thanks, once again, for your sterling GA review on the Royal Question. It's much appreciated as always! My next project is (and has been for some time now) to re-write the nasty stub on Atrocities in the Congo Free State which currently has neither balance nor context and contains some major factual inaccuracies. Anyway, my attempts so far can be found in my sandbox though I stress, again, that it is not finished yet.

Given the difficult nature of such a topic, I was wondering if I could get your feedback before it's launched onto the main-space? I'd be very grateful for any comments. I am hoping that it will be put up for GA nomination in due course. All best, —Brigade Piron (talk) 23:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'm rather busy this weekend but I'll try to find the time. Looking forward to it. Incidentally I have a couple articles up at GAN myself: I don't know if either of them looks interesting to you, but just thought I'd mention it. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  06:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Time for a PR?[edit]

Hi Cliftonian, I hope all is well with you. Could I ask for a favour, if you have time or inclination? I have the Siege of Sidney Street at PR. If you are able to take a look over and pass comments, I'd be very grateful, but no problem if you are otherwise engaged. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks very interesting—I'll try to find the time. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  13:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Cliftonian, I hope all is well. I have closed the PR for the Siege of Sidney Street as I've now moved this on to FAC. Should you have the time and inclination to comment on this I'd be much obliged, but there's no problem if you're too snowed under with other commitments. Cheers. – SchroCat (talk) 16:52, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll try. Sorry to have let you down so far. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  17:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
oh no, you've not let me down at all! I was just being impatient in going to FAC - mea culpa entirely. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 February 2016[edit]

Cecil Rhodes[edit]

Hi Cliftonian. As you know, I'm trying to correct citations with missing page numbers in the Cecil Rhodes article. Are you able to provide the page numbers for citations you used for your edits? For example, on 17 January 2016? Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 11:09, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi ]Mitchumch, thanks for the note. That's a will, not a book, so I'm not sure page numbers are needed. But if they are, I'm afraid I don't have a copy of it to hand in any case, I'm on my mobile and about to go on a plane, so I'm not really in a position to look it up online at the minute. I'm sure if you looked on or something you could easily find a scanned version of Rhodes's will there. Hope this helps, cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  11:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Rhodesian mission in Lisbon[edit]

Hello Cliftonian. Recently I've taken a look on Rhodesian mission in Lisbon, one of your FAs, and I have something to ask about it.

  • There's a section called "Portugal's role in Rhodesian sanction-busting", I wonder if there is any resources talking about the Rhodesian Mission's role in the event?
  • Some of the notes and references have become dead links (such as Lord Brockway (1 October 1965). "Crisis Over Rhodesia". Tribune. London. ). Is it possible to reach the original contents? I can't find their web archives.

After all, thanks for your efforts on this featured article.--Howard61313 (talk) 10:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Howard, thanks for the note—I wasn't able to find much on the mission's specific role in sanction-busting at the time but I'll have another look. Re: the dead links it seems Tribune has been dead for a year or so, I'll redraw things with a different ref. Cheers and hope you're well, —  Cliftonian (talk)  10:47, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Mortara case[edit]

Pray ignore that bot message. I came, I saw, I promoted. Job done. A fascinating article. Ping me pre-FAC please. Tim riley talk 15:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much Tim. I have implemented the additional comments you made. Indeed the Spectator article says "cruelest" (have just checked again to be sure...). I'm glad you liked the article and will be nominating for FAC in a few minutes—I'll drop you a note to let you know. Thanks and hope you're well, —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:24, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

George Bernard Shaw[edit]

Can we, I wonder, interest you in GBS? Brianboulton and I have been working on his article over the past weeks (it feels like decades!) and have now got it up for peer review. If you have time and disposition to wade in, we shall be very glad of your comments. Tim riley talk 15:47, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Tim—I shall try to find a few minutes to look in. —  Cliftonian (talk)  15:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Gregor MacGregor[edit]

Could I interest you in Gregor MacGregor as an April 1 TFAR? - Dank (push to talk) 16:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I saw Nick's post about that. Yes, I think that would be great. I'll write up an April 1-style blurb this evening. —  Cliftonian (talk)  16:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
It's not a funny article, so I think a funny blurb would be out of place ... but a blurb that focuses on the hoax would be great. - Dank (push to talk) 16:42, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Gregor MacGregor  Cliftonian (talk)  16:47, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Patrick McGoohan[edit]

The proper idiomatic expressiom here is "American by birth"; no one says "American by birthplace". BMK (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

That may be, but "American by birth" could mean one was born a citizen by virtue of having at least one American parent. I don't really care about it that much, let's just take the wording in question out and have it explained in the body of the article. —  Cliftonian (talk)  17:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 February 2016[edit]

The Bugle: Issue CXIX, February 2016[edit]

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Hi, John, I'm sorry I have been unable to get to the Mortara FAC, but I am rather overwhelmed at present. Mortara has, it seems, been received with considerable enthusiasm and I'm sure it's on its way to a well-deserved promotion without my input. If it's still there later in the week, and I can find an hour or two, I'll try to read it and leave a few comments. Brianboulton (talk) 17:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Brian, thanks for the note. Of course I understand as I am in a similar boat myself. This is going to sound terribly arrogant but the candidacy does seem well on the way, so please don't worry about taking your time. Thanks and I hope you're well and having a nice weekend. All the best, —  Cliftonian (talk)  17:27, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations on the FA Cliftonian! Aymatth2 kindly created the article I requested on Michele Viale-Prelà to clear a red link.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:40, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much good doctor! Yes, I saw that, and very good the Viale-Prelà article looks too, a good complement to the Mortara one. I'm glad you enjoyed the article so much and thank you again for your support and extremely kind words at the FAC. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  11:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 March 2016[edit]

שונאים אותך בכל העולם קליפטוניאן ההומו[edit]

Stream of outrageous personal attacks in Hebrew, "kill yourself" being the main theme. —  Cliftonian (talk)  22:20, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

אין לך חיים הא? תתאבד כבר תעשה טובה להורים שלך ותהרוג את עצמך כל היום 24/7 על ויקיפדיה עורך ערכים מה קרה ישראלים הביאו לך כאפות יא ילד מסכן יא מושפל חחחחחחחחח תתאבד תהרוג את עצמך אין לך חברים כולם שונאים אותך המשפחה שלך שונאת אותך תשים קץ לחיים שלך קח אקדח ותירה לעצמך בראש אף אחד לא אוהב אותך אף אחד לא אהב אות כולם צוחקים עלייך אל תחזור לישראל אף אחד לא רוצה שתהיה פה יא חתיכת יצור אובססיבי מסריח כל מי שרואה אותך נגעל ילדים קטנים מפחדים ממך וכל הבנות גם בישראל וגם מהמדינה שלך חושבות שאתה יצור מכוער ילד כאפות מסריח אמן מחבל ידקור יזיין את אמא שלך ויכניס אותה להריון ויצא לך אח מחבל ערבי שכל היום ירביץ לך יא קוקסינל מסריח איך אתה 24/7 שעות על ויקיפדיה איך? אין לך חיים? חחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחחח (talk) 21:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

מה זה השטויות האלה לעזאזל? אני נתתי שנתיים מהחיים שלי לעזור למדינה שלך ולהגן עליך ועל משפחתך. אני מקווה שאתה לא תשכח את מה שכתבת עלי פה. יום טוב לך אדוני.  Cliftonian (talk)  22:20, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Postscript: when blocked for the above personal attacks, which also extended to putting pictures of Hitler at the top of this page, the IP posted repeated iterations of my photograph on his talk page with a obscene caption about my wife that I won't repeat here. He was promptly blocked from editing his own talk page. —  Cliftonian (talk)  22:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Post-postscript: the IP 2606:6000:FD07:E900:F9D7:9122:6FBC:5154 vandalised my user page about a day later, calling me "leftist Kapo vermin" in an edit summary. —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Signpost: 09 March 2016[edit]

Another PR request[edit]

Hi Cliftonian, I have another article up at PR, should you have the time and inclination. This is the Senghenydd colliery disaster, a sad episode of some corporate mismanagement which led to the deaths of 339 miners and one rescue worker. All shocking stuff, and the event is still the worst mining disaster in the UK. If you could pop in to the PR at some point to comment, I'd be delighted to hear from you. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gavin, great to hear from you. Looks extremely interesting, if a little shocking as you say. I'll try to find the time to look in. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 March 2016[edit]

I am taking one last run at getting Emily Ratajkowski promoted to WP:FA in time for a 25th birthday WP:TFA on June 7th. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3 needs discussants. Since you have made at least 10 edits to the article, I am hoping you might give some comments.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3[edit]

I am taking one last run at getting Emily Ratajkowski promoted to WP:FA in time for a 25th birthday WP:TFA on June 7th. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3 needs discussants. Since you have made at least a half dozen edits to the article's talk page, I am hoping you might give some comments.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016[edit]

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The Signpost: 23 March 2016[edit]

Phoenix club[edit]

Just because you want to believe something doesn't make it true, especially considering that what was known as Wimbledon FC clearly still exists. This means there were no ashes from which to rise. The same general thinking applies to the rather self-indulgent FC United of Manchester. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi there, please see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth for an explanation of Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. I await your explanation as to how I am a "'vested interest' contributor" as you allege in your edit summary here. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:14, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
The source specifically describes the club as a phoenix club, therefore it is right that it is included in a list of phoenix clubs. I really don't see how there can be discussion around this. Fenix down (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

BBC -- Cazique of Poyais[edit]

Maybe you should delete that anti-Israel stuff above. I'm pretty sure you're allowed to remove spam / crap from your talk page.

Singora (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Singora, hope you're well. I have had a few people link me to that article, which rather transparently used the one I wrote as a base, but I suppose imitation is a form of flattery. The crap in Hebrew above was not posted by me but by someone else (an Israeli who has a few issues with me, it seems). I'd rather leave it there for people to see. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  07:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)


Hi Cliftonian, Thank you once again for all your comments on the Senghenydd colliery disaster. This is now at FAC, should you wish to comment further. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 12:12, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Gavin, I will try to find the time. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


Cheers for the featured article today. It must have been a challenge!--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Cheers! It wasn't easy. I'm happy to see you are a Lafayette alum—my own brother is as well. Cheers and have a great weekend :) —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:28, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Four months of work. It's an epic. Staggering. Well done. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much Tagishsimon, very much appreciated. :) —  Cliftonian (talk)  07:59, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 April 2016[edit]

Your GA nomination of William Harper (Rhodesian politician)[edit]

The article William Harper (Rhodesian politician) you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:William Harper (Rhodesian politician) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Coemgenus -- Coemgenus (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 28, 2016[edit]

Brian and JP, Chris has scheduled this one for the 28th. I really enjoyed this one at FAC, btw. - Dank (push to talk) 02:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Dan; I'll be over when I have some time. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  05:35, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
This is really hard ... I'm very tempted to ask for a longer TFA column than usual to do it justice. - Dank (push to talk) 09:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Do you guys mind if I do that? This is the first TFA I've had in a long time where I just don't think I can write a coherent summary in less than 1200 characters. - Dank (push to talk) 09:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Amazing, I'm down to 1303. That's over the limit, but not so much that I need to ask permission, I think. Thoughts on my progress? - Dank (push to talk) 10:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I kept squeezing, down to 1196. Does that work? - Dank (push to talk) 10:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
It looks good to me on first glance, I'll tweak it if I spot anything. Cheers and I hope you're well, —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Sure, feel free. My stomach still needs to heal up from an H. pylori infection, but as far as I can tell, everything's back to normal. - Dank (push to talk) 19:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


Forgive me for sitting this one out. I've just embarked on a Wikibreak for a month or two. Good luck with the FAC: knowing your record at FAC I don't think my clutch of comments will be much missed. Best wishes, as ever, Tim riley talk 19:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tim, no problem at all—thank you for sending me a note to explain, I don't mind at all. Enjoy the break and I look forward to seeing you back. All the very best, —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:51, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 April 2016[edit]

South African English[edit]

Howzit Clift,

As you're well aware the relevant style guide places the Rhodesia article in the sphere of South African English, and for a while now we've been having to correct people who mistake the predominantly UK spellings for errors. However, there's now a contributor who claims to have been a writer in RSA for "30 years" that would beg to differ, suggesting that South Africa favours the American "ze" (organize, colonize, civilize, recognize) instead.

This seems rather dubious, as to my knowledge the Saffies follow Commonwealth rules, and when I grew up in Malaysia we were taught the "se" spellings same as the other Commonwealth states. Surely I'm not mistaken? --Katangais (talk) 18:35, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Katangais, certainly in Zim so far as I know -ise is favoured, but I have never worked in South Africa so I feel unqualified to make a sweeping judgement about usage there based on my own personal experience.
Anyway: a look through sources on Google Books brings up this South African style guide from 1996, which is only available to me on snippet view but on this topic seems to conclude on page 160 that "as most -ize words can also be spelt -ise, the use of the suffix -ise is possibly the safest option". It also says on page 324 that there is no general agreement on this "as even the major publishers differ". I also found this, from 1982, which says "Indian, South African and Australian usage favors -ise". The website Grammarist says here (in a response to a comment) that "We get our data mainly from news publications that publish online (and some blogs), and based on these sources, 'organise' is favored over 'organize' by a huge margin in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa." Hope this helps. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  06:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Time for the toons...[edit]

Hi Cliftonian, I have recently been working on Walt Disney, which is now up for PR. Any thoughts or comments on his huge figure would be much appreciated. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 11:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gavin, great, will try to find the time to look in. Watched The Sword in the Stone with my son and daughter this morning, which we all enjoyed. Hope you're well —  Cliftonian (talk)  15:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 April 2016[edit]

The Bugle: Issue CXXI, April 2016[edit]

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The Signpost: 2 May 2016[edit]

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Hey dude, can we reinvigorate the Ramsey push? I have a few days to spare while I'm on paternity leave so I might well be able to help a bit more than I have. Even taking it to FAC for review and criticism may be helpful? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Urgh, sorry matey, I really have been meaning to, I actually bought about half a dozen books for it and have them by my desk at home, but I've just been so so busy recently I haven't been able to really get my teeth into it. We have the bank holiday weekend coming up so I will make an especial effort to crack on with it then—depending on how that goes perhaps we could look at going straight to FAC afterwards. (Oh, and congratulations on the new little Rambling Man!) Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  08:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Cheers, and no worries. Let me know when you're back in the game! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I'll leave you to it; sorry, I had no idea you and TRM were in the middle of a revamp until I looked at the history. CassiantoTalk 20:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
No problem, cheers for lending a hand :) —  Cliftonian (talk)  07:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 May 2016[edit]

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 21, 2016[edit]

Hi JP, this one is coming up later this month. The TFA text mostly follows the lead section; how does it look? - Dank (push to talk) 01:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, looks good on first glance - good job. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  06:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

Precious again, your Mortara case which "fell from the mainstream of Italian history into the ghetto of Jewish history"!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 June 2016[edit]

Air Rhodesia flight 825[edit]

Hello New to wikipedia so wasn't sure how to 'correct' something in an article. Wanted to correct your statement that BBC TV broke the news of the plane's shooting down. It was BBC radio (the Today Programme) which went out the same morning. I was one of the BBC staff working on Today that night.

The details of what happened re. the interview and the 'laugh' are below.

The facts are that the story broke with a radio interview - not television - with Nkomo on the BBC’s Today programme. The interview was obtained by a reporter, Tony Wilkinson who put it to Nkomo that his forces had shot down the plane.To his surprise, Nkomo – still upset by being left out of the “peace” talks in London by Mugabe - admitted this. Wilkinson, surprised by his 3am (London time) scoop, then tried to play back the tape to his editor, Alan Ashton. There was nothing on it – the sound recordist had had finger trouble! So the programme then rang Nkomo again and with some difficulty got through to him, Wilkinson explained what had happened so could they do the interview again. They did and when the got to the important point of did his men shoot down the plane, Nkomo chuckled because he had earlier admitted this. The interview went on air and Julian Amery, a Conservative MP, raised the matter in the Commons pointing out Nkomo’s laugh showing his callousness at the loss of life. The real reason for his laughter has been a secret known to only a few BBC staff although the story is recounted in the preface to the paper back version of Paul Donovan’s book – All Our Todays.

Many thanks Badger AAABadgerAA (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi BadgerAA, Thanks for writing. My intention was not to stop you from being credited, as it were. It is just that Wikipedia needs to have these things confirmed in reliable sources, and as it stood I couldn't see that confirmation. I don't have the book All Our Todays. I'm presuming the version I looked up online was the hardback version and that this is why the anecdote doesn’t appear there.
Do you think you could let me know the ISBN number of the paperback version this appears in, and the page number(s) on which the relevant information appears in the preface? Then I can put the proper citation together and put the right information in.
All the best, —  Cliftonian (talk)  08:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXII, May–June 2016[edit]

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Adolf Eichmann - Time and date of death[edit]

Hi Cliftonian! Today I visited the Adolf Eichmann to look up some information and stumbled over a problem concerning the date of his death. Looking at the discussion I realized that the problem exists for some more time and since you were the last one in the discussion who tried to solve the problem I decided to write here and not on the discussion page.

Right now relevant part of the article reads:

At 8:00 PM on 31 May, Eichmann was informed that his final appeal had been declined. His last meal was the usual prison fare of cheese, bread, olives, and tea, along with a half bottle of wine.

Eichmann was hanged at a prison in Ramla, shortly after midnight on 31 May 1962.

English is, as you've probably already guessed, not my native language. But from my point of view the quote lacks logic. Somebody who was hanged "shortly after midnight on 31 May" couldn't have possibly be informed of anything at "8:00 PM on 31 May". The edit you did ("The execution, prepared to take place at midnight at the end of 31 May, was slightly delayed; Eichmann thus died a few minutes into 1 June") tried to make things better but apparently somebody didn't liked it 'cause it was removed later.

My choice would be something along the lines of

The execution, prepared to take place at midnight at the end of 31 May, was slightly delayed and Eichmann was hanged a few minutes into 1 June; nevertheless the official date of his death is 31 May"

I think it would be a good idea if somebody would resolve the problem. If you - for whatever reason want to talk, I'll revisit this page in the next days.

Kind regards, Jan (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jan, sorry to have taken a few days. I'll review this soon. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  22:05, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Fixed now, cheers. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 June 2016[edit]

Daniel Kawczynski[edit]

Your reference doesn't support "Kawczynski came to England as a six-year-old with his Polish mother and his stepfather". Xx236 (talk) 10:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, fixed, he was actually seven. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  11:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 July 2016[edit]

The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016[edit]

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The Signpost: 21 July 2016[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016[edit]

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Code for Navbar.[edit]

Hey I was wondering if you could give me the code for your navbar, as I would like to have one like it. Iazyges (talk) 04:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

No problem - it's at User:Cliftonian/navbar. —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

The Great Betrayal[edit]

Howzit Clift,

If you still own a copy of Ian Smith's memoirs, The Great Betrayal, would you be good enough to confirm which page contains the following quote? It reads, word for word:

"As our prime minister after the last world war, Sir Godfrey Huggins (later Lord Malvern) had told us 'We have proved ourselves, and our record is such that the British government has told me that Rhodesia can have its independence whenever they wish - it is there for the asking'.

Well - we had certainly asked for it time and time again, not only the Rhodesian Front, but previous governments as well."

My copy had it located under Chapter 18: The Interim Government of 1978-79. It should appear before Smith mentions Dupont's state funeral. Any assistance you could lend me in this regard would be much appreciated, as I cannot recollect the exact page number and the book in question has been inexplicably missing from my shelf for over a year.

Thanks! --Katangais (talk) 07:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Katangais, yes I still have my copy of The Great Betrayal. It's on pages 255 and 256 of the 1997 first edition. Hope this helps, cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 3, 2016[edit]

Hi JP, here's another one of yours at TFA, I'm working on the TFA text now. - Dank (push to talk) 19:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks good to me, cheers Dan —  Cliftonian (talk)  16:49, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

FAC mentoring scheme[edit]

You may have noticed discussions on the WP:FAC talkpage relating to various FAC issues, including the question of mentoring for first-time FAC nominators. At present only a very small percentage of the first-time noms get promoted; this can be very discouraging, and might well be turning editors away from FAC. In discussion with the FAC coordinators, Mike Christie and I have devised a simple, voluntary mentoring scheme for first-time nominators, the details of which can be found here (it hasn't gone live yet).

We hope that, as they become aware of the scheme, first-time nominators will take advantage of it. A link to the mentoring page will be included in the FAC instructions once we go live. But of course, we need mentors. We would like the scheme to kick off with a dozen or so names listed, hoping that many more will sign up eventually. Would you be prepared to act as a mentor? You incur no obligation by adding your name to the list; the extent to which you participate in the scheme is entirely a matter for you, and can vary from regular involvement to just once in a while. The objective of the scheme is to help first-time nominators who seek assistance. So please add your name here if you feel you can, or if you have queries or reservations about the scheme, please drop me a line. Brianboulton (talk) 12:38, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Brian, thanks for this: not sure I have the time but I'll add my name if that changes. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)