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1) 24 October 2006 – 29 March 2007

2) 2 April 2007 – 20 May 2007
3) 21 May 2007 – 14 June 2007
4) 16 June 2007 – 3 August 2007
5) 6 August 2007 – 31 August 2007
6) 1 September 2007 – 23 October 2007
7) 27 October 2007 – 27 December 2007
8) January 2008 – 3 May 2008

Euphrosyne sources[edit]

Hi Clio, do you have a reference for the material on Euphrosyne you put on the reference desk? Your answer greatly expands on the brief statement in the article and I'd like to add it. Thanks for any help, WikiJedits (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, WikiJedits. Yes, indeed I do. You will find the relevant information in Women in Purple: Rulers of Medieval Byzantium by Judith Herrin (Phoenix Press, London, 2001), pages 176-77 of chapter three, the section headed Euphrosyne's Warning of Civil War. Best wishes. Clio the Muse (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Great, thank you very much! Have dropped it in. WikiJedits (talk) 17:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Excellent! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

wotcha 2[edit]

Dear Lady, still here, been busy, ducking and a diving, wheeling n dealing, bit o this, bit o that (well family, garden, holiday, big pile of books to read, lost broadband connection and general everyday things to do {4 hours ironing, last night [and yes beille that included t-shirts] amazing the amount of clothes 3 kids can go thru, thinking of buying disposable overalls like wot the SOCO's wear at crime scenes}) hope all is well with you, and excuse my nose, but have you sed yes to rich stockbroker boyfriend yet? - sorry small village mentality spilling over into CYPERSPACE!!! that word sed by 50's style voice over of B/W space serials yah? am now rambling, will finish off glass of sinlge malt (a wee nippy sweetie as oor billy wud say) and head to bed, love always Perry-mankster (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to disambiguate the heading and note that us science types wear disposable underwear and scrubs when we work in full barrier animal facilities. Paper pants are a brilliant invention (not to mention super sexy) - I always steal some for camping trips. You should get hold of some for your kids, Perry. Not only would it save the ironing (you do iron underwear, right?), but they would be the envy of their friends. Rockpocket 21:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Perry, how wonderful to hear from you! Your little one must be quite a big boy by now, and I'm glad to see that he and his siblings are keeping you busy! By your actions you sound like the kind of husband that many women dream of-dedicated, considerate and, above all, hard-working!

Ah, Perry, you have asked me a direct question; what can I do but give you a direct answer, a privilege I would grant to few others. He proposed again the last time we were in Africa. I hesitated, just for a moment, before saying yes. I simply could not bear to see any more disappointment on his face, and, yes, I do love him. We're getting married in the autumn, and then back to Africa for an extended honeymoon. Given the planning involved and all of my other commitments, professional, political and personal, this means that I will not have an awful lot of spare time on my hands in future. It means-and you are the first to know-that I will shortly be abandoning the Wikipedia ship. Sad, but true. I intend to post a note of farewell in the near future. The Age of Clio is, at last, drawing to a close; the sun is going down!

Speaking of disposable underwear, Rockpocket, my father has a huge collection of rock and folk albums from the 1960s and 1970s, including one by a band called Alice Cooper entitled School's Out. You may know it? It's really quite clever, with the cover in the shape of an old school desk. But what fascinated me was that the album itself is contained not in the usual paper sleeve but a pair of disposable pants! Take care, y'all! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, Clio! Shall we watch for the announcement in the Times? ៛ Bielle (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, dear Bielle; it has already appeared in The Times (and in The Telegraph) by the courtesy-and on the insistence-of my people! My mother in particular was quite determined. I am, after all, her only daughter, and she was not going to let this pass without the biggest of splashes! Clio the Muse (talk) 23:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Great Scott! A slightly more cautious congratulation from me, Clio, but we know you well enough to know you've thought out all the angles. I'm really sad to hear you think you'll vanish from this oasis of culture and Englishness into the night... I have to admit, though, that it strikes me as less than certain, whatever you intend.
I wonder, could you give us a broader hint of the political commitments you've mentioned above? In my experience, most stockbrokers are too sensible to go into politics themselves, but is this one perhaps being lined up as a future political spouse? Xn4 23:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, Xn4, Everything begins and Ends at Exactly the Right Time and Place! Your guess is quite right: the politics are mine. But you will understand, I feel sure, that the lady is not to be drawn any further! Clio the Muse (talk) 23:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, well. No doubt you know that politics is far more likely to break your heart than any man.
I love that film, and that's my favourite quotation from it! Xn4 23:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I know. Perhaps it's just all a dream within a dream. Clio the Muse (talk) 23:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
All in Plato, then. Heavens, what do they teach them in these schools? Xn4 00:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Ha! Excuse me while I go through the wardrobe. Clio the Muse (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Then I'll see you in the Wood between the Worlds. Good night, sweet lady, I'm just about to hit the wooden road to Bedfordshire. Xn4 00:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Dream sweetly of Lions and Witches, my Lord! Clio the Muse (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, le sommeil est doux quand tombe la pluie / quand le vent du nord murmure tout bas, but soon they'll all be singing Mam'zelle Clio / Mam'zelle Clio / Vous êtes mariée c'est ridicule... (I'll see to that!) ---Euterpe the Muse (talk) 08:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Euterpe, dearest of sisters! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

British commanders negligence on the Western Front during the great war[edit]

To what extent can it be argued that the tactics of commanders during the great war were responsible for the mass casualties suffered on the western front. Thanks --Hadseys 19:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Hadseys. I see you have also posted your question on the Humanities Desk, so that is where I will answer it, for the benefit of all! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't get married[edit]

You belong to me. How will I manage without you?OTMA (talk) 12:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, darling! Clio the Muse (talk) 21:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, you were like unto the swift flight of a sparrow through our room; and now you'll vanish out of our sight into the dark winter from which you emerged. It has been a pleasure, and somewhat humbling, to read your responses; I'm selfishly sorry that you'll be leaving, but wish you the very best. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Tagishsimon, I'm going to enter you for the Sir Boyle Roche Stakes, 2008. You're a promising newcomer to the sport. Xn4 14:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm really touched, Tagishsimon, and will, indeed, be flying from the Mead Hall back into the dark very shortly! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I am a little fearful of what (or who) will ooze out of the dark behind you. You must agree to drop in from time to time with a bit of late-night reading to cheer us up. Even the busiest politico, professor and/or wife has ten minutes somewhere in a week to keep in touch. You will also have to find a way to let us know when you book comes out. ៛ Bielle (talk) 22:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Bielle. If it is at all possible I will. Clio the Muse (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This is more hopeful. No doubt I was too grumpy with Tagishsimon, but Bede's metaphor is of the soul passing through life, so outside the hall is death and there's no coming back. Clio has friends here in the warm and the dry and also gets something from the place, so it seems to me that we should be slow to say sad goodbyes! (She can get married, though.) Xn4 14:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

You are lovely! Clio the Muse (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Madonna of Silences, he can marry you but cannot take you away.—eric 00:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Elven Queen Sails into the West[edit]

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Well, this is it, everyone: it's time to say farewell. I thought I might stay on for another week or two, but things are mounting up, and having revealed my intentions it's probably a mistake to hang on any longer. After all, there is nothing worse than the long goodbye!

When I came here originally it was really only for some late-night amusement, though over time it has become quite serious, consuming more of my intellectual energy than is perhaps wise. It's been fun, though; well, mostly fun! There are so many people I've made contact with over the past year and a half, people I have come to respect and admire; people who have assisted me in one way or another: collaborators, interlocutors and guides; people I have come to regard as friends, insofar as one can have friends in this unreal medium. I can't mention you all by name but amongst the very best are Sluzzelin, Rockpocket, Xn4, David D, Ghirlandjo, TenofallTrades, Bielle, Perrymankster, Retarius, Eric and Dweller. Please do not feel hurt if I neglected to mention you by name; the list is by no means complete, it's just that I felt these users were deserving of special note.

There is one other person I would like to mention, the gentle, perceptive, sensitive and intelligent Sam Clark, an early associate and friend, who, alas, will probably never see this, for he has long since been driven away by that fatal combination-mediocrity and stupidity. The same forces attempted to gang up against me, but I am tough, oh, yes, I am tough! The more I am under threat the more determined I become. They had no simply no idea what they were up against, absolutely no idea! For I hunt, you see, and I know how one stalks prey!

I'm off to a midnight gathering now, where I will raise a glass or two of champers in toast of you all. I may come back from time to time to see how things are, but I can't be certain. Much love, from Anastasia F-B (that's as much as you get to know!) and from the divine and immortal spirit of history Clio the Muse (talk) 23:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC) [1] Remember this always: things do begin and end at exactly the right time and in exactly the right place.

Namárië! Le hannon a tholel. Xn4 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
World leaders of the past and present applaud and welcome the newbie ...
... while the dumbstruck, bronzified wiki-family bids farewell in disbelief.
Wir stehen selbst enttäuscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen.
...Verehrtes Publikum, los, such dir selbst den Schluß! / Es muß ein guter da sein, muß, muß, muß! ---Sluzzelin talk 05:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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I'm lost for words. Jet Eldridge (talk) 10:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Clio, it has been a pleasure and an honor. You will be sorely missed. Yet I feel sure that we will hear of you again, if not here, then in the broader world. Marco polo (talk) 02:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

all the best....[edit]

Ahhh Dear lady i knew this day would come, but never felt it would be so sad. I wish you and RSB all the happiness you both deserve. As a cyberfriend, your were my first, my last, my everything. I hope your big day goes as smooth as mine and Mrs Mankster's did (it was a lovely Septemember day, full of sunshine, smiles and laughter, truely one of the best days of my life) as it approaches and things seem to be getting more stressful, never forget why you are doing it, because of love...

O, my luve is like a red, red rose,

That's newly sprung in June.

O, my luve is like the melodie,

That's sweetly play'd in tune

As fair art thou, my bonie lass,

So deep in luve am i,

And i will luve thee still, my dear,

Till a' the seas gang dry.

Till a' the sea's gang dry, my dear,

And the rocks melt wi' the sun!

And i will luve thee still, my dear,

While the sands o'life shall run.

And fare thee weel, my only luve,

And fare thee weel a while!

And i will come again, my luve'

Tho' it were ten thousand mile!

look in once and a while, when Boris isn't keeping you busy, and never doubt you will be sorely missed, right i'm off to have a word with Rockpocket about this paper pants thing he has going on, all my love, your servant as always ( stay gold) X Perry-mankster (talk) 21:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Golden Award[edit]


I think you deserve this for your many wonderful contributions to the Reference Desk, always a pleasure to read. I am so sorry that you are gone. Topseyturvey (talk) 05:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheerio from Down Under[edit]

Clio, I'm not into awards and such like but I couldn't let you go without saying thanks for your fantastic erudition. Go well in all your endeavours. It's been great fun having you around. And remember, we'll still be here if you have nothing to do on a rainy day ... assuming such as thing as spare time exists in your world. -- JackofOz (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Musée des Beaux-Arts[edit]

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Xn4 11:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Goodbye sweet Clio[edit]

I used to read the Humanities desk as an anon IP. I joined because of you. I thought I might have caught you out with some tricky philosophy questions. I was wrong. I can't believe that you are gone. It's just not the same any more. I wish you happiness, Anastasia. You are irreplaceable. With love and admiration. Steerforth (talk) 18:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No, Clio, no! Who is this awful Fotherington-Thomas who has inveigled his way into your affections?! Who will I share our beaver sausages with now? And - bloody typical - as soon as I find a half-way worthwhile part of Wikipedia, the main contributor up-sticks.
Anyway, best wishes. If you want any advice on sex, please leave a note on my Talk page. --Major Bonkers (talk) 11:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish you all the best and thank you for your erudite and witty contributions to the Humanities Reference Desk. Edison (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone recently trotted out one of your old answers to a question on the Reference Desk. If you have your own archive of your past answers to Ref Desk questions or if someone created an index to them it would be a continuing benefit to that Ref Desk. Edison (talk) 22:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone (he bows) recently trotted out two of your timeless answers on the Humanities Desk. Both of them were the only runners and did the business. Xn4 22:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
As an experiment, I tried Googling "Clio the Muse" and "Reference Desk" and found very little. A more clever search mode would be needed to ferret out your answers by topic. Edison (talk) 22:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I've found the special search string for the Ref Desk archives: you started in Oct 2006, and this one works for posts after that month. To see what you said about Guy Fawkes, use: [ "Clio the Muse" "Guy Fawkes"]. A little more searching is needed to get to the specific postings. Edison (talk) 23:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Clio quondam, Clioque futura[edit]

Hey, everyone, more positivity! Our earnest thanks to Clio are very seemly, but Major Bonkers hits the right note. No monument to make our Muse bashful about coming back. She's looking in across the Western Sea, and if we're good will drop in from time to time, when other things allow, even if only on the pattern of a visiting comet. Only a few weeks ago, she wrote here:

Clio has given us far too much of her time, and in return she's taken a mighty pounding from the creatures of the Wild Wood. It can't go on. And here's another thought. So far, by comparison with what it was, I'm finding the Humanities Desk a dismal wilderness without Clio - no one jumps on me with high-spirited glee any more, and no one has a mind like a steel trap. But Clio has never had a Clio here, if you see what I mean. So we need to be brighter, better denizens of the Ref Desk, more appealing creatures of the Rock Pool. Xn4 02:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Euterpe speaks[edit]

O friend and learned Master Ex En Four
Although your Muse has left this humble shore
And sailed forth to marry, and to wield
Her Machiavellian powers in the field
Of mundane party politics, you must
Remember that she sprinkled magic dust
Upon humanity and on its desk:
May erudition, wit, and some burlesque
Live on in those whose knowledge she inspired
Who held her presence dear, ere she retired.

She may return. Alas, one thing is sure:
Her true intentions oft remain obscure.
She never listened to her sisters eight,
And when berated, she became irate.
When counseled, she ignored, as I recall.
Thus, when Minerva visited us all
On Helicon and pointed out how life
Above was tranquil, Clio needed strife.
And swooped down into noisy, mortal dale.
We tried to hold her back — to no avail.

Should she return, O wise and learned friend,
A hymn of praise is what I recommend,
A tune of Pomp and Circumstance, a song
Of adoration (make it not too long).
As with Minerva’s visit to our Mount,
A variation of Ovid's account:
O brilliant splendid Muse, whatever cause
So great a Goddess to this website draws;
Our shades are happy with so bright a guest,
You, Queen, are welcome, and we users blessed.
---Euterpe the Muse (talk) 02:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Have the Elves really gone?[edit]

Have they really left Middle-Earth forever? Then the sun has truly gone down, and all we are left with is the Age of Men! Thank you for the memories, Queen Galadriel. Mark of Cornwall (talk) 08:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Clio, oh, Clio, you've broken my heart. Admiral Benbow (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Restoration Scotland[edit]

Hello, Clio. Have you had a chance to see my latest question on the Humanities Desk? Hamish MacLean (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Dearest Clio, I lodged this without reading the preceding posts, so I wasn't aware of your departure. I have now been told by Tagishsimon and Gwinva. I'm not quite sure what to say. I do, of course, wish you every happiness for the future, but for entirely selfish reasons I will miss your presence on the Humanities Desk, always an inspiration and a delight. I thank you sincerely for the help you have given me, quite remarkable considering you are neither Scottish nor a specialist in Scottish history. You seem to me to be that rare thing these days-a true Renaissance woman! I see another user has quoted our own dear Robert Burns. Let me leave you with a passage from one of my favourite songs of his, though I really do hope this is not truly forever:
Fare thee weel, thou first and fairest
Fare thee weel, thou best and dearest
Thine be ilka joy and treasure,
Peace, Enjoyment, Love and Pleasure Hamish MacLean (talk) 08:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I was the one who originally welcomed you to Wikipedia when you came, and I find it fitting to give you (hopefully) your last message in this talk page. I was amazed at how quickly you picked up on the Reference Desk, and I gave you the first of a long series of well-deserved awards, the Exceptional Newcomer Award. For pretty much one and a half years now, I've seen you display a great deal of knowledge and wit, as well as a great willingness to help people. I'll never forget how you helped me with my DYK of Julius Excluded From Heaven. My only regret is not helping you to be more active in the article space, where you could have helped so much more. We will definitely have a harder time answering questions on the Humanities desk. Best of wishes to you, and I hope that you continue to live a real and fulfilling life, and to of course continue your love of history. May Clio, the Muse, continue to guide you. bibliomaniac15 04:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

New request![edit]

Hello, my old friend. Hope you're well. I'm looking for a page number from a book for the chart in this section. The book is called "The best of the best: A new look at the great cricketers and their changing times", by Charles Davis. I found two ISBNs: 0733308996 and 978-0733308994. Any chance you can help? I'd much appreciate it. --Dweller (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


Barnstarofawesomeness.jpg The Barnstar of Awesomeness
Come Back Soon! Strawless (talk) 17:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday[edit]

She would never say where she came from

Yesterday don't matter if it's gone

While the sun is bright

Or in the darkest night

Nobody knows

She goes and goes

Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday

Who could hang a name on you?

When you change with every new day

Still I'm gonna miss you...

Don't question why she needs to be so free

She'll tell you it's the only way to be

She just can't be chained

To a life where nothing's gained

And nothing's lost

At such a cost

Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday

Who could hang a name on you?

When you change with every new day

Still I'm gonna miss you...

There's no time to lose, I heard her say

Catch your dreams before they slip away

Dying all the time

Lose your dreams

And you will lose your mind.

Ain't life unkind?

Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday

Who could hang a name on you?

When you change with every new day

Still I'm gonna miss you... —Preceding unsigned comment added by I Karamazov (talkcontribs) 22:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah well[edit]

Somebody asked a question about why people celebrate the French Revolution when it was pretty terrible, and I, rather than answering, rubbed my hands together in simple childlike glee, and decided I would wait to hear what you had to say. You never turned up. Several other questions were then asked over the next few days, each juicier than the last; with each grew my puzzlement at the increasingly severe local shortage of Clio.

You are no doubt wise to do this. But, when you discover that telling the gardener about Eleanor of Aquitaine palls, and when you notice the chap who sells you the morning paper resolutely fails to ask you what you know about William James and spiritualism, you might begin to question the utility of such wisdom. When wisdom falls by the wayside, as surely it must, you will be welcomed again with huzzahs and all possible demonstrations of joy. --Relata refero (disp.) 19:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, and think of all the puzzled NYT readers you're missing.... --Relata refero (disp.) 22:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

We shiver[edit]

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As we dimly foresaw, Clio, the Humanities Reference Desk has changed utterly without you! Some of our companions have blown away on the cold north wind, the zing has gone, and even the serious historical and philosophical questions are softly and silently vanishing away. Such a sea change couldn't have been foretold, and in the words of the poet Masefield " go is royal and liker a queen than to stay", but... but...
Missing you,
Xn4 01:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"Bare ruined choirs, where late the sweet birds sang . . ." I too miss you! (althoughIabhoryourpolitics,butthatdontmeanathing)--Eriastrum (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Clio... where are you?[edit]

I hope you are coming back. The project and its drones need you... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh this isn't very encouraging. I too miss you, Clio, and thought there'd be some more recent signs of life here. I hope you're simply spending the summer in a most beautiful and secluded spot, writing a book. --Wetman (talk) 06:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Roman emperors[edit]

Hey Clio remember me? Lol. I need your help again, pleeeeeeeeeeeease. For a school project I have been asked to identify who I think the three greatest roman emperors were and what made them great. I would like to know what you think. maybe I can be a bit different from the others in my group! Love, Kathy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathy Burns (talkcontribs) 10:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you've gone. :( Kathy Burns (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup[edit]

The second Cambridge meetup is confirmed for this Saturday, 3pm, at CB2 on Norfolk Street: Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 2. Hope to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm here; yes I am![edit]

Guys, those of you who remember me, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here; yes, I am!  :-)) I'm building up a personal blog now under the heading of Ana the Imp, if anyone would like to check, commenting on all of the things I am interested in. Thanks for all of your emails over the past year and my apologies if I have not responded to you personally; I've just been so busy. I will leave you with a cryptic remark. I can see so much; I understand so much; yes, I do. Lots of love, Clio...and Ana. :-))Clio the Muse (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Well hello there, you. I'm glad to hear you are still among us. Rockpocket 17:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I wish you the very best in all of life's adventures. and thank you for your amazing contributions to ref desk. Edison (talk) 02:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
"Busy"!? <rolls eyes> I still have that thyrsus you lost recently on the slopes of Parnassus, in thine own smiles ambrosial dressed. Welcome back, Sis! :)) ---Euterpe the Muse (talk) 02:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
You're still remembered and missed Lady Ana.--Wetman (talk) 09:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I miss the passionate scholarship, the substantive opinions, all presented with great authority, and lots of suggested reading in support. Yes, I really do, and, no (and here a great sigh) Ana hasn't (yet?) caught up. // BL \\ (talk) 03:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, guys; it's so nice to see some of the old gang are still around. Love to you all, especially that annoying sister of mine! Clio the Muse (talk) 06:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I missed this fleeting reappearance, Clio. I was just reading Talk:James Watt and was reminded of your invaluable assistance with the date of his death, so on a whim I checked out what if anything was happening here. You must have also had Watt (2 ts) in mind when you wrote in your blog about Wat (one t) Tyler. Eh, what / Watt / Wat / wot! -- JackofOz (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, dear, dear, Jack! They seek her here, they seek her there, those Wikipedians seek her everywhere; is she in heaven, is she in hell, that damned elusive Clio.  :-) Actually, no, she's on Blogger under her own identity! Oh, I'm a shameless self-promoter, but then I always was! Drop in sometime, my dear friend, if you want. It's I started this in April, though I've been part of a team blog with Retarius, a countryman of yours, since last year. Check out Retarius and Anastasia for my remarks on Gordon Ramsay in Oz! Lots of love, Ana. Clio the Muse (talk) 02:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I was aware of your blog ... which is why I made reference to it in my post ............ -- JackofOz (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Arrgh, so you did; I didn't pick up on that; it's late and I'm a bit pissed! I must go to bed.  :-)) Clio the Muse (talk) 02:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I would like to give you a big hug and a kiss, but will have to make do with a virtual laurel wreath here, and a slave to whisper "remember you are mortal" in your shell-like as you ride in triumph. Rhinoracer (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, thank you.  :-) Clio the Muse (talk) 05:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

wotcha your impness[edit]

ahhhhh the lady is back (and swearing!) missed you, nice picture! (still not convinced you are truly blonde) but so glad your about, hope the nuptials went okay, see you around, as ever your servant, love Perry-mankster (talk) 08:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Perry! Ya, from head to toe, and all points in between. :-)) I hope your family are well. Love, Ana, who in a former life was known as Clio the Muse (talk) 00:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[2] :P Perry-mankster (talk) 21:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Super stuff! Clio the Muse (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Muse. Moonraker2 (talk) 01:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, Daughter! And shun hubris, all! Olympian Zeus (talk) 01:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Moonraker.  :-)
Oh, Great Storm Father, Ana, your daughter's daughter, just grows and grows. :-) Clio the Muse (talk) 03:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Gorblimey, yer back! Edison (talk) 05:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, not really, dear Edison; I've moved on, shaken off the old skin. I suppose I am now the Artist formerly known as Clio.  :-)). Clio the Muse (talk) 06:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Service awards proposal[edit]

Master Editor Hello, Clio the Muse! I noticed you display a service award, and would like to invite you to join the discussion over a proposed revamping of the awards.

If you have any opinions on the proposal, please participate in the discussion. Thanks! — the Man in Question (in question) 20:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Party politics circa Charles II[edit]

A (an) history professor I asked about this statement on your user page questioned the extent of party politics in the era of Charles II. Comment? Edison (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Edison.  :-)
Well, you might mention to your professor the Popish Plot, the Exclusion Crisis, the Country Party, the Court Party, the Green Ribbon Club, Shaftesbury and the Whigs, Halifax and the Tories, the Duke of Monmouth, the Exclusion Bills, the Oxford Parliament and the Rye House Plot to be going on with. If these cues don't release the log-jam in his intellect nothing will! There is a huge amount of material on the development of party factions in this period, which was to come to full maturity in the eighteenth century, when the Whigs and Tories took their final shapes. Of course I'm not talking about party in the modern sense; these were factional alliances more than anything. If I get the time I'll add a piece to my Ana the Imp blog later today and link it here. Clio the Muse (talk) 08:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Really just Ana now.  :-)

Just added.  :-)) Clio the Muse (talk) 23:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Enjoyed that. For there was no ideological disciple I read there was no ideological discipline? But I guess both are true. Moonraker2 (talk) 07:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Moonraker, you are right - it should be discipline! I shall change it forthwith. Disciple is not too big a howler, though. I'm glad you liked it.  :-) Clio the Muse (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Leopold von Mildenstein[edit]

Dear Clio, I recently contributed an article on the above gentleman to our German wikipedia, mainly on the basis of Tom Segev's book The 7th Million. I am, however, quite unhappy about the fact that nothing seems to be known about Mildenstein's further life after 1936 or so. Did he survive the Nazi era? (for an SS-officer he seems to me a bit too kindly - that could have gotten him into trouble). If he survived what did he do after the war? When did he die? I came across your 2007 answer about the subject just now and I like it a lot. Maybe you happen to know somebody who knows somebody who happens to know? Thanks in advance! Robert Schediwy (Vienna)-- (talk) 03:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S: Looks like the guy produced a book on cocktail mixing in 1964 - so he must have survived. Books from 1938 and 1942 on the Middle East came out in Germany, so he has probably not fallen out of favour with the regime... -- (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

First of all let me apologise for not responding sooner; I don't often come this way now. Second, let me offer a further apology by admitting that I simply do not know what happened to this man! However I'll do a spot of digging and see if I can come up with anything more substantive. If I do I'll certainly let you know. I'll probably also add something to my Ana the Imp blog In the meantime my very best wishes.  :-) Clio the Muse (talk) 19:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks. Would not Mildenstein merit an article of his own in English Wikipedia? Maybe this could stimulate further information. I hesitate to do it myself, but already your answer given in 2008 on the subject is so substantial that it could easily serve as a starting point. You are right, the subject is loaded - but this is an encyclopedia that is not supposed to avoid such subjects but to treat them "sine ira et studio"...Greetings -- (talk) 04:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, Robert. I contacted the Weiner Library in London, which has an extensive collection of material from the Nazi period, but unfortunately the only information they have was that based on the article which appeared in History Today, a popular periodical. I assume you have tried the German archives, in Koblenz, I believe? Yes, I agree, he does merit an article in his own right. But for me Wikipedia is rather a thing of the past. I transposed the information I added here to my own blog, an article which you are very welcome to make use of. Clio the Muse (talk) 08:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I should add that the main reference here, possibly the only English-language reference, is Jacob Boas' article A Nazi Travels to Palestine, which appeared in History Today, volume 30, issue 1, pp-33-38, published in January, 1980. Clio the Muse (talk) 08:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your trouble. I think I'll let Mildenstein rest in peace now for a while. I don't want to focus too much on one single person or one single issue. And there are so many doubtful cases. E.g. did you ever hear of Hans von Meiss-Teuffen? Aristocrat from Zurich, double agent in WW II, sailed across the Atlantic singlehandedly in 1948 and wrote a bestseller about it. Featured as a Russian spy in one of the first movies on flying saucers... and then, ver little is known about him. He's on my list too... Thanks again and greetings from Vienna. Robert Schediwy -- (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. There is now an English article on Mildenstein after all. Robert Schediwy -- (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Ana on Katyn[edit]

Of course I remember you (and miss you...). Thanks for the blog link, I will check it out shortly! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Maurizio the magnificent[edit]

So nice to hear from you, dear Ana, and thank you for pointing out the link. Coincidentally, I just visited your impish blog a few hours before you dropped a message. I had wanted to comment on your fashion thread, but somehow I wasn't able to post it without creating an account (perhaps it was just as well, as I was in quite a Euterpean state). Miss you here. Keep popping your head in from the underground. All the best! ---Sluzzelin talk 06:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to intrude . . .[edit]

. . . but, seeing your post on Sluzzelin's talk page and having taken a look at your blog, I just have to remark that you are certainly missed considerably on the reference desks. When you departed, the quality of discourse took a nosedive from which it hasn't yet recovered. Deor (talk) 00:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Deor. It's so kind of you to say so. You are welcome to intrude any time you like.  :-) Clio the Muse (talk) 11:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Leopold von Mildenstein[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

books by clio[edit]

Now that Clio has revealed her name (some time back I might add), does anyone know where I can find her books? She mentioned she had a publishing contract some years back, so I'd be curious to read her work. I can't find "Fitzgerald-Beaumont" in library catalogues or on Amazon, so does she write under a different name? It's been emotional (talk) 07:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


Dearest Clio, how deem tings? x Perry-mankster (talk) 20:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Broadsword calling danny-boy, come in danny-boy, over x. Perry-mankster (talk) 21:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

William of Norwich and the Jews of Medieval England[edit]

Saw your comment on William of Norwich article. I added some links to the article - one to a paper given to the Jewish Historical Society of England. See Arnold Wesker's play about the case. and here: [3] Google Jewish Encyclopedia to see article "England"

Christians in medieval Catholic Europe could not lend money on interest. The church forbade it. Jews could. This is because of verses in the Old Testament. William the Conqueror brought Jews with him to England in 1066 as money lenders. Resentment arose from nobles who had debts to Jews. The debts were annulled by massacring Jews in York and other places. RPSM (talk) 18:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC) RPSM (talk) 18:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Das Dritte Reich[edit]

fascinating ... nice work. Decora (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Just in case you're lurking somewhere...[edit]

I reckon you would absolutely love this thread: [[4]]. All the best to you and yours. --Dweller (talk) 09:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


Belatedly, I've added your name to this list. I'd be supremely happy to revert myself. --Dweller (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)