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Derek Hammond-Stroud[edit]

Thanks for the new info. Please let us know if you see any obituaries. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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I've since noticed the related edits at Edwin Alderson. Note that the reference provided there confirms Carlstadt was renamed to Alderson, but it does not confirm it was renamed after Edwin Alderson. Hwy43 (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Kitchener / Stalin[edit]

Conspiracy theories: Unlikelihood of Kitchener being (as rumoured) same man as Stalin. - How terribly disappointing! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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De Gaulle's Homes in England - News Citation[edit]

I have been using a citation to a Shropshire newspaper story about De Gaulle's death, whose most relevant sub-report was headlined "The year of exile in Salop" (referring to period 1940-41), in reference to his England exile during the Second World War in his biographical article and articles on places referred to in that report. I would like to assure French readers and users that in this context "Salop" is both an abbreviative and colloquial (non-obscene) term for the county name of Shropshire.Cloptonson (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

1st Marquess of Cambridge - Help Wanted With Citation[edit]

I have four times cited details, that I added to Lord Cambridge's biographical article, to his sketch in Kelly's Handbook to the Titled, Landed and Official Classes, 1926, on page 333 of that work. There seems to be a stubborn refusal to accept condensations of the citation after the initial reference, condemning me to write it in full each time and create four identical footnotes where one could suffice. The citation I would like to condense reads (I have spaced out the punctuation marks and words with dashes): <-ref-name-=-Kelly's->-{-{-cite-book-|-Kelly's-Handbook-of-the-Titled-,-Landed-,-and-Official-Classes-,-1926-|-publisher-=Kelly's-|-page-=-333-}-}-<-/-ref-> Cloptonson (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Commonwealth War Graves in Hove[edit]

Hi Cloptonson. In relation to Hove Cemetery, I will rewrite that section of Cemeteries and crematoria in Brighton and Hove tomorrow to make it clearer. The cemetery does indeed have two sections (split by the Old Shoreham Road), and they were laid out roughly 40 years apart, but in practice they are treated as a single entity now. From memory, I think my sources confirm what yours says about the positions of the War Graves (WWI and WWII in the old (south) section, WWII only in the new (north) section). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for noticing. Having never been north of Dundee, I was not aware of the possibility of there being more than one Berriedale. Because of the 'old' county location being in Caithness (mentioned in his sketch in The Complete Peerage), I have amended the link to connect it with the article on "Berriedale, Highland". (In his lifetime, the Highland Region, created 1974, did not exist in local government.)Cloptonson (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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I have left notice in the Talk page that it remains to be ascertained which canonised English King Edward the church was actually dedicated to.Cloptonson (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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It remains for me to ascertain whether the place is Old Alresford or New Alresford. Perhaps a home address given in Who's Who or Crockford's may settle the matter. Bear with me.Cloptonson (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I have checked his entry in Crockford's (1986) but unfortunately, his personal address ends simply "Alresford, Hampshire". A user familiar with that area might be better placed to find out - his ashes are due to be buried at Alresford (where his wife is already buried) on 4 August. By time of his death he moved again, to Blackwater IOW (Who's Who 2012).Cloptonson (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Friendly Fire: Second Battle of the Marne took place in June 1916?[edit]

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The Second Battle of the Marne took place in July 15, not June 16. Plus, the link you put out is dead. Article by Shropshire Regimental Museum XXzoonamiXX (talk) 04:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I shall check this.Cloptonson (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you - point taken.Cloptonson (talk) 05:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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I respectfully wonder why you consider Find-a-Grave to be an unreliable source as citation for the death by friendly fire of Lt Col Cuthbert Brooke-Smith during the Mau Mau Uprising? FAG is a widely cited site in Wikipedia - more noticeable in pages on cemeteries and crematoria like Golders Green Crematorium. The FAG page for Brooke-Smith has the most detailed account I have found yet on the incident and for want of finding alternative internet articles of similar detail I used this in citation in good faith as evidence for his existence and the incident. (I also checked he was not already the subject of a page in his own right.) That said, I usually do not cite FAG pages if I can avoid it because of the length and complexity of their URLs. Cloptonson (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cloptonson: On a lark I started reviewing your talk page after answering your question only to find this message. Per WP:ECHO, if you wanted my attention use {{replyto}} or {{ping}} as I have here. I had no idea you had a question for me. You would've done well to contact me on my talk page, as I'm not watching your talk page. If I hadn't contacted you on your talk page, why would I be watching it?
In answer to your question, no crowd-sourced references (including Wikipedia, Find a Grave, and IMDB) can be considered reliable. Reliability is inferred when there's editorial control like a newspaper or magazine. Some editors refuse college campus papers because they doubt the editorial control of a bunch of kids is sufficient. Yes, a lot of people use these websites as sources because of the utility of it. That doesn't make it ok. Our reliable sources noticeboard has repeatedly discussed Find-a-Grave (here, here, and here, among others) and the consensus has always been against using it. There have been plenty of books and academic writing on the Mau Mau rebellion, so I relying on find-a-grave is probably unnecessary. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I wrote this before I came upon some of the explanations linked, but left this question standing because of my intrigue that nothing seemed to have been done against more noticeable use of FAG in some cemetery articles. Thank you for your explanations. To date I have come across accounts of his death in Shropshire newspaper articles and a book on Shropshire war memorials (he is commemorated in Church Stretton) but they lack the detail the FAG had.Cloptonson (talk) 07:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Done. However the volume had a pair of editors so I have added their names after the }}.Cloptonson (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Saw you today commenting in favor of the two articles remaining separate for now. It would be good that you also comment/vote in this section [1] where an editor is requesting the two articles be merged, as well as here [2] where a second editor requested a second straw vote. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your edit on the Brian Duncan Shaw article. I would like to ask you, where did you found that he was appointed CBE? I did copied the Infobox from Martyn Poliakoff, who received this distinction, and edited it, leaving some commented information from Sir Poliakoff. I was wondering if this may have confused you or you found some extra information I don't have.

Thank you very much, Thorm-bjkp55 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Thorm-bjkp55, I have checked over the article references and found nothing to show he received the Order of the British Empire in any grade, so I have withdrawn it for want of evidence. I had been adding some postnominals to other centenarians' articles where they were mentioned in the text or infobox but not in the introductory line.Cloptonson (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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On your user page I see that you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Shropshire where Daniel Kawczynski is an MP. That came as quite a surprise, the demographics of the U.K. are changing rapidly. Kawczynski was the family name of my fathers mother, she came to the US in 1893. Regards,--Woogie10w (talk) 21:47, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

It appears he is probably the first Polish born Polish person to be a member of the UK Parliament. (Already we have had MPs who were/are second-generation people of Polish descent - Jewish usually - in Parliament, such as Emanuel Shinwell and, today, Ed Milliband.Cloptonson (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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George Robey[edit]

Hi, please note that the above article follows a consistent format for the references. Your references broke that consistency. I also don't feel it relevant to add a small stubby line saying he lived briefly in a small town where he made no notable performances. For those reasons, I have reverted you. Feel free to discuss matters on the article talk page if you feel so strongly. Thanks. CassiantoTalk 21:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Records of members of parliament of the United Kingdom[edit]

Just a quick glance at the history of this page revealed to me that you have a long-lasting association with it. An idea came to me about a new entry to it: Members who had been knighted before entering the House. As you will most likely know, at any given time, most -if not all- knights sitting on the House of Commons were knighted because of their distinguished parliamentary career. In the current session, the only two people to have been knighted before being elected to the House are Sir Paul Beresford (who became a knight for services to the City of London during his time as a borough councillor) and Sir Keir Starmer (for his tenure as Director of Public Prosecutions). This is very uncommon and, I believe, it would be very interesting to try and find these few notables. Some that come to mind are Sir Arnold Wilson, Sir Michael Foster and Sir Hedworth Meux. What do you think?--The Theosophist (talk) 05:23, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I do not think it is historically so rare for MPs to be ready-knighted although it is rare in the present day, usually because of the younger age at which so many MPs enter Parliament for the first time and (some sport stars apart) the greater age at which men are usually knighted - primarily MPs for county seats were chosen from knights (hence Knight of the Shire). There would have to be a cut-off point.Cloptonson (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
It is not age that has made it more rare, but tĥe fact that most new MPs are nothing more than senior party members before election. Think of it, when someone is knighted before entering the House, this (most likely) means that he excelled in a field other than politics (e.g. science, law or the military). This has been much less common nowadays. On the other hand, before the 19th century, people would be knighted because of their power (not that I disagree, it was another era, after all), so there was always the occasional knight who had not really done anything. I believe that the cut-off point should be 1801.--The Theosophist (talk) 06:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I would recommend airing such a proposal in the talk page of the article itself so that other editors, particular those who impress me as being its 'elder statesmen', have a chance to comment as to whether that is the way they want to see the article go and invite help if they are interested. I only started to contribute to the article about 2 years ago and it never occurred to me to start a category about honours, as I saw the article as being about demographic factors (sex and age, deaths), physical attributes and parliamentary service and election achievements. I am about to make a new category section suggestion myself (husband and wife sets of MPs).Cloptonson (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I have, after announcing it in the talk page, created the section on Husband and Wife MPs, giving contenders for first couple sets (successive and concurrent), longest service of MPs as couple and greatest collective years of service in the Commons, and longest span of service. If you see any grounds for corrections you are welcome to make them. I have yet to find a couple who married when both were serving as MPs.Cloptonson (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I think that there has been no instance of same-sex civil partners both serving in the House, right? Also, what about parent-child sets of MPs? There are a few that come to mind like Stephen Kinnock, Victoria Prentis, Ben Gummer, Bernard Jenkin, Nick Hurd, Robin Walker, Francis Maude and David Prior. Of course, this would be huge and should, also, have a cut-off point.--The Theosophist (talk) 09:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Also, as far as Kinnock is concerned, is it safe to assume that he is the first MP married to a foreign head of state or government?--The Theosophist (talk) 09:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Taking points in turn:
  • No, not yet at any rate.
UPDATE: I have discovered Angela Eagle has a civil partner (not an MP).Cloptonson (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
This list is missing many, many families. I may improve it a bit in the future.--The Theosophist (talk) 05:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
On the other hand, think of that: this list is about families many members of which became politicians. My examples above are just parent-child relations with no other family member leading a notable political career. These would most likely not fit this list and would warrant the creation of a new list.--The Theosophist (talk) 05:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
My feeling is that the list of political families is a better way forward for listing all occurrences of parent-child, sibling sets of MPs. However there is merit in having a section in Records of members of parliament on "Sibling Sets of MPs" that demonstrates, in the spirit of a collection of records rather than an "all and sundry" list, factors such as:
  • Largest (number wise) set(s) of siblings MPs. Pairs are commonplace, have there been, say, more than three brothers?
  • Collective service years given by set of siblings to the Commons.
  • Longest concurrent/successive service span of sibling MPs.
  • Mixed sex sibling sets.
  • Longest representation of a constituency by a successive set of sibling MPs (a factor common in the days of 'pocket boroughs' and when two-member seats were the standard).
  • Siblings currently serving together.
Half-siblings could also be looked at (example the Hogg-Marjoribanks pair.) Burke's Peerage would make a good starting point for looking up sibling MPs within families, as service as an M.P. is routinely declared.Cloptonson (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Following on, I realize that mother-daughter and sister sets of MPs have been so rare in our history they could be listed appropriately under the "Women" section of the page. Leave the brothers to have their section.Cloptonson (talk) 05:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Kinnock junior is first MP married to a foreign head of government (Prime Minister of Denmark, whose head of state is a monarch).
Generally speaking, I added the section on records relating to Husband-Wife sets of MPs as what I saw as a logical follow on from the section relating to women MPs.Cloptonson (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I think that Tulip Siddiq is the first descendant of a modern foreign head of state to be elected to the House of Commons, no?--The Theosophist (talk) 05:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Her forebear (an uncle rather than direct ancestor) was head of state of an initial provisional government in Bangladesh but then apparently served as Prime Minister (head of government) when a state president had been elected. (I remember Mujib's face and name in our news in the 70s - never did I know one of his family would be in our parliament...)Cloptonson (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was not Siddiq′s uncle but her maternal grandfather. Sheikh Hasina is her aunt.--The Theosophist (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I stand corrected. I misread the article, whose text was not always easy on the sight.Cloptonson (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Should we also create an LGBT section?--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

This question is best put out in the talk page of this article, to see what consensus there is in response. Personally, I would not bother starting one because indisputably known homosexual MPs or bisexual MPs are possibly an understatement, given that homosexual acts between men were punishable offences in Britain into the 1960s so there were a possible number 'in the closet'. I cannot see any potential record in the category other than first openly gay (those who voluntarily declared themselves in public and those whose homosexuality was forced into the open by being wanted or prosecuted for homosexual offences, traditionally termed 'sodomy') first openly bisexual, and first transgender. Then there are those who became seriously suspected of homosexuality posthumously as a result of modern scholarship.Cloptonson (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
  • The Traditionalist, why is anybody's sexuality worthy of a separate section all of its own? More to the point, who really cares which side of the church they sing on? CassiantoTalk 21:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: Well, you can say that for every section of the article. If the sexuality is not worthy, then why the gender is? Or the religion? Or the family relation? --The Traditionalist (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree, mostly. Religion is certainly not relevant. Why don't we go the whole hog and differentiate between vegetarians and carnivores; smokers and non-smokers; cyclists and car drivers? CassiantoTalk 22:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: Religion is relevant. When you stress religion or ethnic background in such a list, you show the role minorities played, play and will play in politics. Moreover, these are social subjects and thus important in a person′s political career. Smoking is more personal.--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
P.S.
Of course matters of sexuality are of a more personal nature, but when people make them public (“come out”) they become social on the spot.--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
We are in the 21st century. I don't see why people feel as if they have to "come out"? Who really cares? If someone decides that they are gay, why do they feel the need to broadcast it to the world? The world no longer cares. In this day and age, people should feel as if they can just get on with life and form relationships with whoever they want, without having to make such a song and dance about it. Such a display of "look at me, I'm gay" is dated, boring and nothing new in my opinion. For that reason, I'd say this is irrelevant to this article. CassiantoTalk 23:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: If you really want to discuss this, you can send an e-mail to Sir Alan Duncan. The fact that it does happen is encyclopedic, whether you like that it happens or not.--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
And I would like to add that this is your personal view and it is not based on Wikipedia policy.--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard today! Congratulations! CassiantoTalk 23:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: You are arguing with someone called “The Traditionalist”. What did you expect?--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Whose arguing? And why do you assume I am? Do you not know the difference between a discussion and an argument? CassiantoTalk 00:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: Why do so many people always take “argument” as a synonym for “quarrel”? The main definiton for this word is “A fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason.”[1]. Are you not using statements to support propositions?--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank god I've got people like you to teach me the definitions of everyday words. CassiantoTalk 00:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
@Cassianto: If you do not want them to do that, do not make accusations.--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
When I want your advice I'll ask for it; until then, carry on talking in gibberish and providing an answer for the sake of providing an answer, without it making much sense at all. Your responses now have deviated so much off of the initial subject and into the world of incoherent bullshit that I've now lost interest. This will be my last post so don't bother to ping me as I shall ignore you. CassiantoTalk 06:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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