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Derek Hammond-Stroud[edit]

Thanks for the new info. Please let us know if you see any obituaries. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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I've since noticed the related edits at Edwin Alderson. Note that the reference provided there confirms Carlstadt was renamed to Alderson, but it does not confirm it was renamed after Edwin Alderson. Hwy43 (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Kitchener / Stalin[edit]

Conspiracy theories: Unlikelihood of Kitchener being (as rumoured) same man as Stalin. - How terribly disappointing! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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De Gaulle's Homes in England - News Citation[edit]

I have been using a citation to a Shropshire newspaper story about De Gaulle's death, whose most relevant sub-report was headlined "The year of exile in Salop" (referring to period 1940-41), in reference to his England exile during the Second World War in his biographical article and articles on places referred to in that report. I would like to assure French readers and users that in this context "Salop" is both an abbreviative and colloquial (non-obscene) term for the county name of Shropshire.Cloptonson (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

1st Marquess of Cambridge - Help Wanted With Citation[edit]

I have four times cited details, that I added to Lord Cambridge's biographical article, to his sketch in Kelly's Handbook to the Titled, Landed and Official Classes, 1926, on page 333 of that work. There seems to be a stubborn refusal to accept condensations of the citation after the initial reference, condemning me to write it in full each time and create four identical footnotes where one could suffice. The citation I would like to condense reads (I have spaced out the punctuation marks and words with dashes): <-ref-name-=-Kelly's->-{-{-cite-book-|-Kelly's-Handbook-of-the-Titled-,-Landed-,-and-Official-Classes-,-1926-|-publisher-=Kelly's-|-page-=-333-}-}-<-/-ref-> Cloptonson (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Commonwealth War Graves in Hove[edit]

Hi Cloptonson. In relation to Hove Cemetery, I will rewrite that section of Cemeteries and crematoria in Brighton and Hove tomorrow to make it clearer. The cemetery does indeed have two sections (split by the Old Shoreham Road), and they were laid out roughly 40 years apart, but in practice they are treated as a single entity now. From memory, I think my sources confirm what yours says about the positions of the War Graves (WWI and WWII in the old (south) section, WWII only in the new (north) section). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for noticing. Having never been north of Dundee, I was not aware of the possibility of there being more than one Berriedale. Because of the 'old' county location being in Caithness (mentioned in his sketch in The Complete Peerage), I have amended the link to connect it with the article on "Berriedale, Highland". (In his lifetime, the Highland Region, created 1974, did not exist in local government.)Cloptonson (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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I have left notice in the Talk page that it remains to be ascertained which canonised English King Edward the church was actually dedicated to.Cloptonson (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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It remains for me to ascertain whether the place is Old Alresford or New Alresford. Perhaps a home address given in Who's Who or Crockford's may settle the matter. Bear with me.Cloptonson (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I have checked his entry in Crockford's (1986) but unfortunately, his personal address ends simply "Alresford, Hampshire". A user familiar with that area might be better placed to find out - his ashes are due to be buried at Alresford (where his wife is already buried) on 4 August. By time of his death he moved again, to Blackwater IOW (Who's Who 2012).Cloptonson (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Friendly Fire: Second Battle of the Marne took place in June 1916?[edit]

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The Second Battle of the Marne took place in July 15, not June 16. Plus, the link you put out is dead. Article by Shropshire Regimental Museum XXzoonamiXX (talk) 04:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I shall check this.Cloptonson (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you - point taken.Cloptonson (talk) 05:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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I respectfully wonder why you consider Find-a-Grave to be an unreliable source as citation for the death by friendly fire of Lt Col Cuthbert Brooke-Smith during the Mau Mau Uprising? FAG is a widely cited site in Wikipedia - more noticeable in pages on cemeteries and crematoria like Golders Green Crematorium. The FAG page for Brooke-Smith has the most detailed account I have found yet on the incident and for want of finding alternative internet articles of similar detail I used this in citation in good faith as evidence for his existence and the incident. (I also checked he was not already the subject of a page in his own right.) That said, I usually do not cite FAG pages if I can avoid it because of the length and complexity of their URLs. Cloptonson (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cloptonson: On a lark I started reviewing your talk page after answering your question only to find this message. Per WP:ECHO, if you wanted my attention use {{replyto}} or {{ping}} as I have here. I had no idea you had a question for me. You would've done well to contact me on my talk page, as I'm not watching your talk page. If I hadn't contacted you on your talk page, why would I be watching it?
In answer to your question, no crowd-sourced references (including Wikipedia, Find a Grave, and IMDB) can be considered reliable. Reliability is inferred when there's editorial control like a newspaper or magazine. Some editors refuse college campus papers because they doubt the editorial control of a bunch of kids is sufficient. Yes, a lot of people use these websites as sources because of the utility of it. That doesn't make it ok. Our reliable sources noticeboard has repeatedly discussed Find-a-Grave (here, here, and here, among others) and the consensus has always been against using it. There have been plenty of books and academic writing on the Mau Mau rebellion, so I relying on find-a-grave is probably unnecessary. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I wrote this before I came upon some of the explanations linked, but left this question standing because of my intrigue that nothing seemed to have been done against more noticeable use of FAG in some cemetery articles. Thank you for your explanations. To date I have come across accounts of his death in Shropshire newspaper articles and a book on Shropshire war memorials (he is commemorated in Church Stretton) but they lack the detail the FAG had.Cloptonson (talk) 07:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Done. However the volume had a pair of editors so I have added their names after the }}.Cloptonson (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Afghanistan[edit]

Saw you today commenting in favor of the two articles remaining separate for now. It would be good that you also comment/vote in this section [1] where an editor is requesting the two articles be merged, as well as here [2] where a second editor requested a second straw vote. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Cloptonson!

Thank you for your edit on the Brian Duncan Shaw article. I would like to ask you, where did you found that he was appointed CBE? I did copied the Infobox from Martyn Poliakoff, who received this distinction, and edited it, leaving some commented information from Sir Poliakoff. I was wondering if this may have confused you or you found some extra information I don't have.

Thank you very much, Thorm-bjkp55 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Thorm-bjkp55, I have checked over the article references and found nothing to show he received the Order of the British Empire in any grade, so I have withdrawn it for want of evidence. I had been adding some postnominals to other centenarians' articles where they were mentioned in the text or infobox but not in the introductory line.Cloptonson (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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