User talk:Completeaerogeek

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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Orphaned non-free media (File:Babinsky Cambridge University - Streamlines around an aerofoil.jpg)[edit]

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Babinsky placed his work into the public domain in the Guardian newspaper and on YouTube. Citing it (including illustrations) meets the requirements of the 'fair use' clause in the Australian Copyright Act. both in scope and content for educational purposes.Completeaerogeek (talk) 05:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Frank Whittle[edit]

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Your recent editing history at Frank Whittle shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. --IIIraute (talk) 06:00, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Frank Whittle, you may be blocked from editing. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Please self-revert your latest edit. --IIIraute (talk) 06:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Frank Whittle, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please self-revert your latest edits on both articles (Whittle & von Ohain)! Thank you. --IIIraute (talk) 06:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Whittle & von Ohain[edit]

First of all, I have not violated 3RR, i.e not done more than three reverts within 24 hours. Secondly, I was the editor giving you notice (three times!) about your edit warring → [1], [2], [3], however you did choose to continue your reverts. You repeatedly removed long standing referenced content, in favour for your unreferenced changes, for example → [4], [5], [6].

Also, I did answer your talk-page message [7], telling you to read the "Encyclopaedia Britannica"[8], as well as the "The Draper Prize"[9] reference, before you remove sourced content.

I was the editor asking the admin "SlimVirgin" to protect the Frank Whittle article → [10] - what the admin did.

I also have contributed to the Hans von Ohain talk-page → [11] - what you did not.


What you seem to think is "news" is a book that was published more than twelve years ago - so please let me tell you - it isn't news at all! Furthermore, your claim is not supported by the source: "Margaret Conner, Hans von Ohain: Elegance in Flight (Reston, Virginia: American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics,Inc., 2001)" → WP:CHERRYPICKING - only when filing his patent, he came across something that "looked like a patent of an idea" (his patent attorney found it during a patent search, but that doesn't mean he started from that idea) → "Von Ohain began development of the turbojet engine in the 1930s while pursuing his doctoral studies at Goettinger University in Germany. He and Frank Whittle worked independently of one another, their designs serving as yet another example of simultaneous invention."[12] This matter has been thoroughly discussed before → [13], [14]


A couple of sources, all published within the last three years (I can give you another twenty!):

"Heinkel's backing allowed von Ohain to progress rapidly, and by 1937 (though entirely unaware of Whittle's work, as was Whittle of his) he successfully tested an engine in his workshop." Kenneth W. Ragland, Kenneth M. Bryden, Combustion Engineering, Second Edition, 2011 - page 506 [15]

"Von Ohain and his patent attorney were unaware of Whittle's work and of Guillaume's 1921 patent, whose existence, as von Ohain later noted, “should have been the cause for the rejection of practically all further turbojet patents”..." Vaclav Smil, Two Prime Movers of Globalization: The History and Impact of Diesel Engines and Gas Turbines, 2010, page 92 [16]

"In 1930, Frank Whittle (UK) submitted patents for a gas turbine engine, which potentially offered much higher thrust than a piston engine. In 1935, Hans von Ohain (Germany) started work on a similar design while completely unaware of Whittle's work..." Thomas A. Ward, Aerospace Propulsion Systems, 2010 page xiv [17]

"Meanwhile in Germany, unaware of Whittle's work, Hans von Ohain had developed his own theory of jet propulsion in 1933, while studying for a doctorate in physics and aerodynamics at the University of Göttingen." Adam Hart-Davis, Engineers, 2012, page 335 [18]


and some more sources on von Ohain being the designer of the first "operational " jet engine:

"While Hans von Ohain is considered the designer of the first operational turbojet engine, Frank Whittle was the first to register a patent..." J. S. Rao, History of Rotating Machinery Dynamics, 2011, page 37 [19]

"...Ohain, the 25-year-old Doktor Ingenieur was able to produce the world's first operational turbojet engine..." Sterling Michael Pavelec, The Jet Race and the Second World War, 2007, page 17 [20]

"...the first operational jet engine was designed in Germany by Hans Pabst von Ohain and powered the first jet-aircraft flight on Aug. 27, 1939." Robert Curley, One Hundred Most Influential Inventors of All Time, 2010, page 237 [21]

I would also like to ask you to refrain from personal attacks, such as mentioned in your WP:AN3: "I believe there is a national bias here." and your other patronizing sarcasm. Thank you. --IIIraute (talk) 00:52, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Your talk page comments.[edit]

Information icon Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Hans von Ohain. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Please do not place your edits in between parts of my texts.

I have reverted your edit warring. You need to get editor consensus BEFORE removing sourced material, or you will be reverted - please use the talk page. Please do not edit this page again, until such consensus was achieved! --IIIraute (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Hans von Ohain, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not change the content of my postings! --IIIraute (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you remove or change other editors' legitimate talk page edits, as you did at Hans von Ohain, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please do not add text to, or use another editors name (W.BAILEY) when posting! Also, please do not change the heading! --IIIraute (talk) 08:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hans von Ohain[edit]

Hi Completeaerogeek, please discuss your proposed change on the talk page rather than continuing to revert (see Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss). If you can't reach consensus on the talk page, the best thing is to create a request for comment to bring in other people. See WP:RfC for how to do that. If you need help setting up an RfC, I'd be happy to advise. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013[edit]

Information icon Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Hans von Ohain. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Please stop inserting your talk page comments in the middle of comments by others. Binksternet (talk) 08:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)