User talk:Connor Behan

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Question About Your Edit[edit]

I noticed you made an edit here: [1] which I disagree with but I shall ask instead of simple reversion with an edit summary: should that really be notable? I mean it's fairly obvious that both would entail the 25th amendment. When has there ever been a movie about Air Force One without the President? I mean if the 25th amendment is notable, then wouldn't the fact both presidents had their families aboard also be notable? At any rate, I was just wondering your thoughts on this. If you think it should remain, it's perfectly fine with me. Happy editing. :) -WarthogDemon 20:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps you're right. At any rate you do strike good points and it's not a wild assumption by far. It can stay, I was just wondering. Hope I didn't sound confrontational. Cheers. :) -WarthogDemon 23:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice edit summaries![edit]

Much appreciated. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring over "evenly divisible"[edit]

You have been warned about edit warring over "evenly divisble" at WT:WikiProject Mathematics#Mathematical language must be precise by User:Jowa fan. If you continue to remove "evenly divisible" before consensus is reached about a suitable alternate phrasing I will report your conduct at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

When I informed the mathematics project of my intent yesterday, I had only made this change to a few articles and I hoped it would provoke a democratic discussion. When the rest of the day went by and I had still only received the one reply from Jowa fan, I decided to do a mass change but only to the mathematics articles, where I expected the change to be welcome. I am thrilled that a number of editors actually are trying to reach a consensus at the talk page now. This is something I much prefer. Cheers. Connor Behan (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with Connor making changes of this nature to mathematics articles. This is in line with established mathematical practice, as documented at Parity (mathematics) and Number. (Articles on non-mathematical subjects are a different matter.) My only concern is that if someone reverts one of his edits, then his next action should be to discuss rather than start an edit war. I haven't seen any evidence of futher edit warring since the discussion began at Wikiproject Mathematics, so it seems to me that all is OK. Jowa fan (talk) 03:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Brad Meltzer[edit]

Hi. Thanks for working to improve the site with your edit to Brad Meltzer. However, the edit had to be reverted, because Wikipedia cannot accept unsourced material or original research. Wikipedia requires that all material added to articles be accompanied by reliable, verifiable (usually secondary) sources explicitly cited in the text in the form of an inline citation, which you can learn to make here. If you know of a reliable, secondary source that establishes that Sawyer created his own website, and before Meltzer, then please feel free to change the passage back, and include that source in the passage. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 07:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I was going to add a source when I read this but Jowa fan beat me to it. A secondary source for it could be [2]. He inserted it as a comment probably because it seems out of place to look up one author and see citations about another. Sentences claiming that no counter-example exists have a high burden of proof so I would avoid saying this kind of stuff even in Sawyer's article. Connor Behan (talk) 08:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Right. Discussion of Sawyer's web site probably doesn't belong in an article about Meltzer. Personally I had no problem with Connor's previous edit: I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that author web sites were rare in 1996. For what it's worth, there is no policy requiring an inline citation for every fact added to an article. All that's needed is that it's possible to verify things; it's important for people to use good judgement in avoiding citation overkill. In any case, I've changed the wording to something milder, in the hope that this is acceptable to all parties. Jowa fan (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Apparently your edit was not acceptable to Nightscream. I have gone with the abundance of citations since I think this is still better than the sensationalist wording that was there before. Connor Behan (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

thanks for the correction[edit]

Jizya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth-seeker2004 (talkcontribs) 07:18, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Law & Order: SVU edit[edit]

Just so you know, concerning your edit here, "judgment" and "judgement" are both correct spellings. Odd, I know. (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't realize that! I guess the "e" spelling was the one I had seen more often.Connor Behan (talk) 16:30, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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"The Tireless Contributor Barnstar is awarded to especially tireless editors who contribute an especially large body of work without sacrificing quality."

This Barnstar is awarded to Connor Behan for their non-stop excellent work in expanding the Law & Order: Special Victims Unit season articles. The articles have been transformed from looking quite mundane and 'empty' - to absolutely wonderful and detailed, all thanks to your hard work. Thank you, and please keep it up! -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 09:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Now I just wish the Warren Leight episodes were wonderful and detailed :P. Connor Behan (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
No worries Face-smile.svg and I can definately agree with you there! Leight needs to lift up his gain... 13 episodes to go, could be our final season! I need to stay positive... can't live without my SVU fix!MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Dark Knight[edit]

Thank you for your recent edits to The Dark Knight (film). However, I feel that your most recent edit, which I reverted, is not as constructive as the rest. The previously used statement is more encyclopaedic, and just as true. He is detained by the SWAT team, which puts him in their custody. Your wording leans heavily on the fourth wall, something that is avoided as much as possible, because it break the formality of the section. Anyway, I don't want to start an edit war, so I'll open an edit request at the talk page. Thanks. drewmunn talk 07:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

weird caption on hipster pic[edit]

Hi, The weird caption on the hipster pic is there because thus far, no photos of hipsters have remained on the page. There is a bizarre sense that we cannot identify hipster elements in a photo. You would never have this problem on an article about punks (show a pic of a guy with a mohawk) or goth subculture (show a pic of man with dyed black hair, white face makeup, black eyeliner, and a cape). But for the hipster article, editors have this view that "we cannot define what a hipster looks like", and in the past several photos have been purged. So this pic of a hipster has a disclaimer saying we don't know if he considers himself a hipster.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

NOt hard to illustrate goth...but for some reason people are reticent to accept that we can define what a hipster looks like


you've added a number of inadmissibly poor sources to Abortion in Canada; I recommend removing them and the content cited to them, then potentially re-adding it if you can find reliable sources. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 20:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Of the five sources I added, the two that are most often seen as reliable (CBC and the National Post) contain all of the information I mentioned. The others were just there for interest sake but I have now removed them. Connor Behan (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment[edit]

Hi, would you like to elaborate your rationale in the General Discussion section?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 09:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Singular they[edit]

Why are you always enforcing your personal preference of not using "singular they" in articles, like you did here[3] and here [4]? Look at the Singular they article. The use of singular they is accepted well enough by scholars. In the case of the Corrective rape article, you messed that up by making it seem that corrective rape is only about the rape of females. You should have just used "him or her" to begin with if use of singular they bothers you so much. You also removed valid information and called it fluff.[5] I wonder if Roscelese, who has also edited the Corrective rape article, and who (looking at your talk page above) you have had dealings with, agrees with all the edits you made to that article.

There are articles where singular they is best employed. Let's also remember that some people are ambiguous about their gender. See Genderqueer. I also think that you should practice WP:BRD more since, on your user page, you basically say that you will revert a person if they don't provide a rationale that is satisfactory to you and that you will then start a discussion on the talk page. Actually, it's often the case that a person should start a discussion on the talk page when reverted and discuss the issue instead of immediately reverting. For example, what happens if the person reverts you again? You are going to engage in a full out WP:Edit war? Stop just shy of four reverts and think that will ensure that you won't be blocked? (talk) 15:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

When it comes to "singular they" it seems like a small number of editors actively oppose it, while the rest don't care one way or another. So except for a few screw-ups, there is nothing to lose by being pedantic. It is actually a common convention to use one gender pronoun to cover male / female / ambiguous. For example, one of my "he or she" edits was altered in this way by another user: [6].
There were two pieces of "fluff" that I removed from the Corrective rape article and maybe I should've split them into two edits. One of them was a non-neutral comment about how South Africa is not yet a true democracy. The other was a confusing statement about the public-private divide. It basically said that if private lobbyists had their way, treaties like CEDAW would not condemn gender based violence as much. This seems biased as well and only tangentially related to the article. Anyway, since I wrote my user page, I haven't had to revert very often because most Wikipedians are reasonable :). Connor Behan (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

It would be nice if there were a word for intercourse that was artistic but still neutral.[edit]

How about "fuck"? David F (talk) 03:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Contact (novel)[edit]

I noticed you made a BIG change to the article Contact (novel), completely rewriting the part about the plot. I think you did a very good job. That was a lot of work. Congratulations. -GroveGuy (talk) 07:14, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! It's such a good book... I didn't want the article to miss the best parts. Connor Behan (talk) 02:35, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion re Canadian Legislation template infobox[edit]

Thanks for tidying up the Civil Marriage Act page. Your work on the infobox reminded me that there is a flaw in that template, when used for Canadian legislation. I've suggested a new Canadian legislation infobox template be created, on the WikiProject Canadian law talk page. Would welcome any comments you may have. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 06:23, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Lennart Poettering[edit]


Can you elaborate your rationale for removing my edit on the Lennart Poettering page? Thx! (talk) 10:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Moving this into its own section.
There is plenty of controversy surrounding PulseAudio and systemd but I do not know of any surrounding Avahi. Even if there is some, it is better to put it in the article on the software. Introducing Lennart as a "king of controversy" at the top of his article, seems a little biased. Connor Behan (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

"Dont be a D/J" on meta[edit]

Hi Connor, I think your idea of the essay as sort of navigation tool into the meta realm is worth while working on. I plan to translate "WP is not a finishing school" (WP ist kein Mädchenpensionat) on User:Serten_II/sandbox. Feel free to contribute. Serten II (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and Good Luck[edit]

Thanks for your edit on WP:No Personal Attacks. Given the history of that paragraph I fear it will soon be reverted (I'm surprised it has already lasted unmolested for almost 3 hours), but who knows, just maybe this time will be lucky. And even if not, thanks for trying. Tlhslobus (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Big Bang[edit]

yes - that was a lot to remove; but a very good rewrite. Clear, concise, and didn't remove any major points. Nice work. TY. — Ched :  ?  03:41, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Seconded, it kept the major points, but removed all the POV and random trivia stuff. A very good rewrite, and I'm glad someone did it, thank you for the work. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
It's always nice to know when an article purge goes over well. Thank you both for coming here. Connor Behan (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Singular 'they' on Dæmon (His Dark Materials)[edit]

Most contemporary 'Grammars' in the UK find the use of the singular 'they' acceptable in all but the most formal situations. I believe that US is less lenient about its use and also about subject-object agreement. I know this is one of those matters that people have strong feelings about so I am posting here. Please 'ping' if you wish to reply.… … ps, having seen some discussion above, I prefer judicious use of singular 'they', simply because it's less clumsy. Pincrete (talk) 17:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I've made this change many times but I actually had Pullman's characters in mind this time. Lyra uses the singular 'they' but the more educated characters in the book do not. I always thought this was intentional. Connor Behan (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
An acute observation (which I had not noticed, you are probably right about PP's intention). However, are we speaking like Lyra, like the 'educated' characters of her (slightly old-fashioned) world or standard modern UK English? Geoffrey K. Pullum is one of those who claim that the 'rule' against use of singular 'they' has never had general acceptance and that 'good' writers have been using it for centuries, for reasons other than to characterise the speaker.Pincrete (talk) 16:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Victoria Taylor[edit]

From one of your recent edit summaries: "Adding back a percentage of former content even though it has been merged. This article must be an *accurate representation* of what we are arguing to keep or delete. See AfD."

The discussion is not whether the article is of a suitable quality for WP, it's whether the subject meets the guidelines. Padding the article with fluff doesn't make the subject any more or less notable. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 18:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

While it's true that I'm on the keep side of the debate, I didn't think the quotations and sources I added would be considered fluff. If the article is still here a year from now (with info on her new job), those are passages that I would still want included.
Nevertheless, you're right that the size of the article should have no bearing on whether it passes or fails BLP1E. I was worried that some people would mistakenly consider this, just like some people including the nominator, regularly refer to "vote counting". Connor Behan (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
So I add a helpful bit of detail about reddit right when it is first mentioned in the article including a wikilink to it and it is reverted by 'Uncle Mitty'. Very unhelpful edit on his part. (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Mass gap reverts[edit]

Sorry to have reverted your addition to two articles regarding Marco Frasca's very recent preprint. Our policy is to wait until WP:RS's tell us Frasca had made significant progress. Any such judgment call is outside our remit. Choor monster (talk) 13:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Discretionary Sanctions[edit]

The page Brianna Wu is subject to discretionary sanctions and/or arbitration enforcement, as per the Gamergate page. You recently violated WP:BLP there; please don’t. I confess that I don’t know how to use the notification template, but you're an experience editor and you can check it out if you have questions. MarkBernstein (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Rest assured that I have nothing but respect for Brianna Wu. I added what I added because it was a piece displaying numerous honourable qualities, written by Wu herself. Having seen that the edit went over poorly (and garnered the "BLP vio" misnomer), I will not attempt to add it back. Thanks. Connor Behan (talk) 23:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Brianna Wu[edit]

FYI you've unknowingly stumbled onto one of a group of BLPs "polished" by their friends on wiki. Negative or potentially negative claims are immediately removed from the article and talk page; discussion is not permitted. This is why your edits and edit summary were redacted. (talk) 23:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

No it's because editors must air on the side of caution when a well-meaning person is put through a year of misogynistic abuse from all corners of the Internet. I think the statement I added was neutral but I understand those who disagree. Connor Behan (talk) 23:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Fidel Castro[edit]

Hello Connor. I recently performed a mass revert of some of your edits to the Fidel Castro article, and just thought I'd drop a line to explain why. In various cases (such as the addition of "The Framing Business" citation added here) your edits simply involved adding additional references when we already had perfectly good references in place. In other cases you added first hand sources from Counter Punch, which again were not really necessary, and in at least one case I think that you drifted into WP:Synthesis and WP:Original Research territory ("In what would become a long held criticism of Israel," a statement not actually supported by the citation given). Earlier this year, I pulled this article through GAN, and one of the key concerns then was regarding its length; that being the case, we must be very careful not to unnecessarily lengthen it any further, particularly with information that is trivial or citations that are simply extraneous. Anyway, I hope that that doesn't discourage you, but I just wanted to make my position on this issue clear so that there wasn't any misunderstanding. All the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:07, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining but I think you missed the point of my edits. I did not add any citations. I simply moved external links with no context into the main text to more closely follow the manual of style. Since citations are mostly metadata, it is possible that my edits (which increased the number of bytes) actually decreased the visible word count. At the very least, the "mass revert" must be refined to remove the non-functional BBC video and the duplicate Wayne Smith piece. I can wait a few days if you want to handle this, otherwise I will make some more edits. Connor Behan (talk) 17:12, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the "Grammar cleanup" section on your User Page[edit]

Good work Connor. Thanks.
You might appreciate an anecdote about Winston Churchill, if you haven't heard it, who occasionally, although rarely, was guilty of grammatical sins. When once challenged by an aide for ending a sentence with a preposition while talking (he would never have done so in writing) Churchill retorted: "That is a degree of grammatical fussiness up with which I will not put." --- Professor JR (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I heard there was some story about Churchill and prepositions but I didn't know the details. Thanks! Connor Behan (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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