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It's not the purpose of the ceremony. It's a religious ceremony. Are you adding the tag to other religious ceremonies? The very phrasing of abstract shows a lack of basic familarity with the topic. The source is not WP:RS for the Indigenous cultures in question. - CorbieV☊☼ 15:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
We do have other religious ceremonies tagged, for example the ayahuasca ceremony, as they also result in altered states of consciousness. I think I didn't explain this clearly, our focus is not what the ceremony is for, but about the psychological consequences of the ceremony.
And the reasons there are the same; you are taking a piece of a religious rite out of context and reinterpreting it. Unless you're also putting the ecstatic states reached by prayer, fasting and singing, etc in mainstream religions in that category, it's not really appropriate. It singles those religions out as somehow "exotic" to westerners and products for consumption rather than part of the cultural fabric in which they exist. - CorbieV☊☼ 17:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah okay, you are absolutely right, we also should include other practices from other religions that induce altered states. I don't know why so far especially Buddhist and from the Western viewpoint more "exotic" practices received special attention in the research we have found, but if you have Wiki-worthy reports of altered states in for example Christian prayer, we'd be glad to have it and add it to our project. Meerpirat (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
@Meerpirat: with this edit summary: you misrepresented our discussion here, as well as your edits. I do not see you putting the "altered states project" thing on articles about Western religions. The same issues I brought up above with this still stand. As far as I can see, nothing has changed. Are you consciously misrepresenting this situation or did you just misunderstand? I have also pinged the Indigenous wikiproject members about this. - CorbieV☊☼ 01:24, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
You had posted a nice message to me about the photograph I posted of the Dignity (statue). In that, you said I needed to demonstrate that I have the relevant permissions. I actually think I do have the permissions, I just don't know how to submit them or attach them to the file. In the meantime, the photograph was tagged for "speedy deletion," and although the tag said I could contest it and get the permissions, the deletion occurred only about 90 minutes later - I wasn't even home during the interval.
I am hoping you can tell me what I need to submit so I can reupload the photograph, this time with the necessary tag to avoid all of this trouble. There are all sorts of pictures like this on Wikipedia so there must be a way to do it. Thanks much. Otis1000 (talk) 01:14, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, when you go to upload it it's going to ask you some questions about whether it's your own work, or who took the photo, and what the licensing is. Fill all of those in to the best of your ability. There is no deadline. If you're not sure if you did it right, mention that in an edit summary or on the talk page. Just do your best with it. Once you've done that bit, let me know and I'll take a look. In the meantime, I'll put the other photo back in. That one has also been flagged. You said that one is your own work. If you took that photo that one should be fine to use for now. - CorbieV☊☼ 02:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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