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List of Lebanese people in the United Kingdom[edit]

I have seen you reverted my reverts on this article. Many of these entries have sourced references stating Lebanese ancestry within in the article if you haven't checked. Therefore, those who have referenced sources will be readded to the list. If you have any questions, please ask, but will re-add those with valid references.--XLR8TION (talk) 11:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Please see the discussion here. It's not enough that there are sources in the individual articles. The entries in the list must be sourced there too. If the individual articles are sourced then it should be easy enough to copy these references over to the list. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Then I will do so as aI dadd them to the list. --XLR8TION (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Great - that would be much appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Belgium FAR[edit]

Hi Larry - If you have a few minutes, could you please return to your comments at the Belgium FAR (WP:Featured article review/Belgium/archive3)? It looks like Vb has been working on the article and so could use more comments if you have them. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Have done. Thanks for the reminder. Cordless Larry (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Larry, I have found the time to improve the Belgium article a bit and added several refs, two sections (Military + Health) and a paragraph on transportation within the section Economy. Could you please comment at the Belgium FAR (WP:Featured article review/Belgium/archive3)? Thanks. Vb (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Have done. Thanks for the note. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


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Thank you[edit]

Thank you for improving my last contribution on "Turks in the United Kingdom" i'm still trying to grasp wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

No worries. If you plan to contribute to Wikipedia frequently, might I suggest that you register a username? That will make it easier for you to edit and to communicate with other users. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:45, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


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... for your note at the afd, which was a paragon of civility and thoughtfulness.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Images RfC[edit]

Yes, I probably should. Where's a good talk page to open one up? I feel I can just copy and paste what was said on the Wikiproject page because there's really nothing more to it. Bulldog123 10:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It might already be in the best place, no? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
You're right. I'll open one up shortly. Have to read through the process. Bulldog123 11:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Everything looking good so far. I'm hoping we can get more participation and keep it unanimous. Bulldog123 20:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
We could post notes on the talk pages of editors who we know regularly contribute to ethnic group articles, so long as we don't select them based on whether we think they will agree. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I suppose we could inform User:Moxy who participated earlier but hasn't yet in the RfC. Though he did say he'd support it. Bulldog123 22:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

We're starting to get retribution wiki-hounding: [1]. Bulldog123 18:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Am I the only one that's baffled by why people are starting to so vehemently oppose such an inconsequential and simple request? "Don't make your own images." Bulldog123 04:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I think some people are misunderstanding the rationale for the request, but perhaps the main problem is that we proposed a blanket ban. Hopefully something good can still come out of it, such as clear guidelines on appropriate criteria for selecting the images. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Should I specify that it's for user-selected montage images and not pictures of sleds? Bulldog123 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
That might help, yes. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Online Ambassadors[edit]

I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 00:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sunjeev Sahota[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi Larry, I modified the Stumpjumper page to clarify the "welded vs lugged" section. I see you changed it back, I should have told you why. Only the very earliest shipments of (Oct.81) Stumpjumpers had welded frames. The later (but still first year models) had lugged frames. This is discussed in the "25 years of Stumpjumper" book. Those earliest bikes are also documented at the MOMBAT website on the Specialized page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MERK26 (talkcontribs) 20:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. I've changed the wording slightly to reflect this. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi Larry. Sorry, my point about the "ridiculous title" referred to that unwieldly and very American construction, "William R. Kenan, Jr., Professor of Sociology" at the University of Virginia. I should have been more clear. We surely don't need to say "University Professor" (should be lower-case, in any case), as that is implied by the Wazza R. Kenan stuff. As an aside, I remember Prophesy and Progress very well as an undergraduate in the early 1980s, and I still have two copies, one my own, the other the library's that I carelessly forgot to return. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 11:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I see. I thought you were saying that "University Professor" was ridiculous. I don't think it should be in lower-case, though. The point isn't that he's a (generic) university professor, but that he tolds the title "University Professor". A similar title exists at the University of California (see here) and isn't held by all professors at the university. Kumar uses the title University Professor on his publications, such as this. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah. In which case you are right. Another US-ism, so I'll revise what I said above, and say that "ridiculous" now covers both designations. I'll leave it to you whether or not it's reinstated, but personally I'd leave it out. It's no great potatoes either way. Ericoides (talk) 11:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
No, agreed. I might consider re-writing and expanding that first paragraph anyway. Incidentally, I've nominated the article at Template talk:Did you know so hopefully it should feature on the main page sometime soon. Thanks also for this kind comment. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Krishan Kumar[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


The confusion is not unique to Americans, but - in my experience - they do it more consistently and thoroughly than anyone else. I am British but have lived in the US for 25 years. Have also lived in several other countries. It is one of my pet peeves and I have a mission to go through Wikipedia and change all references to English actors, politicians, etc - to British. We can keep changing and unchanging this entry, but is it worth it? I believe that my point was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno2010 (talkcontribs) 21:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that personal experience is not sufficient to add something to Wikipedia. As WP:Verifiability states: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true". Describing people as English versus British would seem a different point to me, unless you're claiming that all of the articles on Wikipedia about English people were written by Americans with no understanding of the difference between Britain and England. And in any case, it's surely not incorrect to state that someone is English if they are from England and identify as such? It's not the same as confusing England with Britain. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if I am not doing this message thing properly - I am relatively new to Wikipedia. I have no objection to using England and English when referring specifically to England and things English. My objection is with the way so many people - Americans in particular - misuse the term, as in "the English prime minister David Cameron" or a book with a chapter title "Politics in England" that actually deals with British politics. Problem is, it's impossible to verify. I am British, and was born in England, but have ancestors from Scotland. So what am I? I'm not Scottish, I could be called English, but I consider myself British. Right now I'm having a squabble with several people who keep describing the commentator Christopher Hitchens as English-American, when he was once a British citizen but is now an American citizen. He is British-American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno2010 (talkcontribs) 22:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you in the case of "English prime minister" - that's clearly incorrect. But it's not the same as "English actor" or "English politician". As for Hitchens, I think you might be confusing citizenship with national identity. Hitchens is a British citizen but if there are reliable sources describing him as English then so be it. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
In fact, the source being used at Christopher Hitchens indicates that he considers himself English, not British. That doesn't change his citizenship, but it does suggest that we should describe his identity as English. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Just to note that the best place for discussion of the Hitchens case is here. Cordless Larry (talk) 03:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


I've moved this comment from Wikipedia:Editor review/Cordless Larry since it doesn't form part of my editor review:

Hey Larry, hab gelesen das du Deutsch verstehst.
Diese Dinge die hier bei den Artikeln über Bosnien und über die Bosniaken reingestellt habe, sind korrekte angaben und ich glaube, dass ich das recht habe auch etwas auf der Diskussionseite zu veröffentlichen.
Ich mache dir einen Vorschlag. Die Dinge die ich im Artikel Ethnic groups in B. und Islam in Croatia reingestellt habe bleiben und die Sachen in den Artikeln Bosnians, Boniaks und history of Bosniaks kommen weg. --Zrin22 (talk) 17:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, my German isn't good enough to understand all of that. I will reiterate what I said on your talk page: please don't post identical comments on multiple articles' talk pages. It's best to keep your comments short and too the point, making clear what changes you would like made, rather than simply discussing the topic in general. As far as I can tell, nothing in your comments actually specifies what you would like to be changed in the articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Slovenia's blockade of Croatia's EU accession‎[edit]

I noticed already, but thanks :) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep, and I already noticed that you'd already noticed! Cordless Larry (talk) 19:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Race conditions abound :) --Joy [shallot] (talk)

Thank You![edit]

I just want to say a big THANK YOU for all your support and cooperation! your work in much appreciated and i am sure that you are such a great asset to wikipedia-- (talk) 15:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and thank you also for your kind comments here. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


...for your civil, constructive addition to Talk:Diaspora. I am going to try to be more like you. Sharktopustalk 21:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

That's OK. I don't think I was necessarily any more civil than the average editor, but thanks in any case! Cordless Larry (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

PROD Embassy of Syria, London[edit]

I created the article a long time ago, but right now I agree this has very little useful info, so yeah it should probably be deleted (Which also goes for the embassy in Washington and Berlin), though the Moscow one should probably stay, as the building passes notability, I think. It was designed by a famous Russian architect, and named after him. Cheers! Yazan (talk) 08:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your thoughts. I've proposed a bunch of these for deletion so we'll see how it goes. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
To be honest I'm actually not sure how these articles can even be expanded- there is only so much one can say about an embassy! I support the deletion of all these articles, but many will oppose because there is so many one-sentenced 'articles' on embassies e.g. Mexican Embassy, Berlin; French Embassy, Ottawa; Bulgarian Embassy, Chişinău; Embassy of the United Kingdom in Moscow... the list goes on and on.Turco85 (Talk) 21:08, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I might try to organise a mass AfD discussion on these articles at some point, after waiting to see how the proposed deletions go. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Friendly suggestion[edit]

You may wish to consider using multiple colons to indent your comments at AfD discussions. Rather than asterisks. The latter break up the conversation unnaturally, which is I expect why the former is the choice by the vast majority of those commenting at AfDs. I think it would help people more easily follow your points, without being unnecessarily distracted by the asterisks to the left of them. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I was aware of that but was getting by confused by all the competing styles being used at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White American (2nd nomination). Cordless Larry (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I may have even added to the confusion myself, as sometimes (as a friendly gesture) I use the style of the immediately preceding commentator in a string. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I often try to do but things got in a twist at that AfD. I've fixed my comments now. Cordless Larry (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Help required[edit]

{{adminhelp}} The help of an admin regarding three AfD discussions that have been merged into one would be much appreciated. Please see details at the ANI noticeboard. Because people have commented on the discussion since it was merged, it's a bit of a mess. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the anon for marking this as fixed. I realise that I shouldn't have needed to use the help template when I'd already posted at ANI, but over a day had passed without the problem being addressed. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In answer to your post to my talk page, no this wasn't me. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
OK, well thanks to whoever it was then! Cordless Larry (talk) 14:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


I left you a message at Rawabi's discussion. please check it out. Thanks!-- (talk) 12:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd seen it but hadn't got round to responding yet. I will do shortly. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Bosniaks: Images of notable Bosniaks for the Template:Bosniaks infobox[edit]

Please join the discussion.

Regards, --Wustenfuchs 11:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Belgium FAR[edit]

Hi Larry - Discussion appears to have been stalled on the Belgium FAR (WP:Featured article review/Belgium/archive3) for a while, although it looks like work has continued on the article. Would you mind returning to the FAR and giving an update on your opinion of the article's status? Thanks in advance, Dana boomer (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I've left a reply there. I'm sorry that I didn't reply before now. I didn't realise that your comment was directed at me and I've also been too busy to read the revised article. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


I left some sources and trails for you to follow here, (LAz17 (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2011 (UTC)).

Thanks. I'll look into this when I have the time. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

New Assessment for article improvements with PPI[edit]

hi Cordless_Larry,
I feel so bad! Somehow I missed you when I updated the WP:USPP assessment page, I am sorry! If you are still interested we would love and appreciate your involvement. Another assessment round is posted. This round is the follow-up to the previous assessment, so it should reflect some big improvements to the articles. WP:USPP Post Assessment 2.1
There is a group of about 25 subject matter experts who are assessing, and last week I sent them a tutorial video on how to leave comments on talk pages. So if you see any newcomers on the discussion pages, please help me welcome them.
The assessment team is doing a really amazing job, in fact, here at WMF, we are using your ratings from last term as the “gold standard” to test the Article Feedback Tool and see how well it works. I will be presenting lots of research in the coming months. Thank You! Best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'm not editing much at the moment so I'm not sure whether I'll be able to contribute this time around. I will try to help out if I find the time though. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Cordless_Larry, if you get a chance check out the project. There has been A LOT of activity this term. best,ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cordless, I hope you will join WP:USPP for the last 2 assessment rounds this spring. all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:USPP Spring Assessment 3[edit]

hi Cordless Larry,

Thanks for helping with assessment! There is a new assessment posted here. There are 25 articles in both this assessment and the next/final assessment. There was a huge amount of content that got added this term, hopefully the randomly selected articles will show it to be high quality. You should see some results form the assessments in the coming months. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Last PPI assessment![edit]

hi Cordless Larry,

We finally made it, this is the last assessment request for the Public Policy Initiative! I was really impressed with the content the students developed this term, I hope you enjoyed it too. The last set of articles is at Student Post 2.2. I will keep you updated on results and publications. Thanks ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 05:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The lion of Egyptian revolution (Qasr al-Nil Bridge).jpg[edit]

I was wondering if you could give you opinion on the picture nomination to be a featured picture. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

PPI Assessment research in FastCompany[edit]

hi Cordless_Larry, I wanted to let you know that reported the Public Policy Initiative research. They noticed all of our hard work on article quality assessment! And, I presented some preliminary results of the Public Policy Initiative today at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit; it was very well received by academics. They were impressed with the rigor of the research and that is due in large part to your efforts. So yet again, Thank YOU! I will keep you posted as I continue to get the results out there. Also, if you would like a token of appreciation (aka Wikipedia swag) send me an email ( with your address and I will get a package out to you later this month. all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cordless_Larry,

Here is a brief summary of the results that I presented at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit. If you would like continued updates of the research results let me know! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Where have you gone?[edit]

You don't seem to be very active anymore. The article Somalis in the United Kingdom is in decline because no-one's keeping a tight grip on it. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I've not been editing much recently, partly because I've been busy but also out of a bit of a loss of interest. I'll try to take a look at that article at some point though and I might make a return to more regular editing at some point. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


I removed the 250,000 figure from British somalis demographics because it looks like an inflated figure. Most sources tend to give figures between 90,000 and 125,000, so the 250,000 figure is unique and seems very implausible. For such unikely claims, only the highest quality sources or secondary sources will suffice. Pass a Method talk 09:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Perhaps you could explain that in the edit summary next time you make such edits? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Mohamed ElBaradei[edit]

The page have be vandalized a lot lately and he a public figure running for office so I was wondering so I was wonder if the page would be semi-protected until the elections are over. I also believe that you could get up to the standards of a good article in no time so let me know if you are interested/need help doing so. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

You'd need to request that at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection because I have no power to protect pages. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Deleting my input to Wikipedia[edit]

Dear Cordless Larry,

I have to say that I am new in Wikipedia and I found it very important for our Latin American community what I read in this article. I do not know if this has a owner, copyrights or something in particular that make you delete my input, what I had wrote. As I said, I am new on editing Wikipedia and, obviously looks like I did not do appropriated that article and as you stated looked like a "spam". Well, I have been living within the roots of my community and people know about a "television channel project". I hope that my concern have a good and appropriate replay of your behalf.

Thank you,

Amgox Television The Latino American Television Project — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMGOX TELEVISION (talkcontribs) 14:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The reason I deleted it was because it was clearly written in a promotional rather than an encyclopedic style (e.g. "What a great opportunity to be able to show the true Latin identity as a venturesome, brilliant people, loaded with magic, as well as rich our own culture in a television channel", and "The programming will grow day by day: it will be enriched with their own ideas"). I recommend that you take a look at WP:NPOV before adding such material. Your user name also suggests that you have some association with the TV channel that you're writing about. If that's the case, you might also want to have a read of WP:COI. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Who are you to go around editing Wikipedia articles? Get a life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

date of polish resettlement corps[edit]

My father spent 2 years in the PRC from 18 Sept 1946 to 17 Sept 1948. I have his Pay Book and other documentation to prove this, as well as being in contact with several friends of my father who also served their two years in the PRC from 1946-48. Please get your facts right. Best regards, Jim. ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

That may well be the case, but the Act is still from 1947. Please see this official source. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Gaining permission for a photo[edit]


I've got an image of an individual I would like to upload onto their Wikipedia page and I have the email of the person who took the photograph.

What would I need to ask the photographer specifically?

Because the last time I asked for permission to upload a photo on Wikipedia, I was granted permission by the photographer but someone on Wikipedia emailed me and told me that wasn't the right kind of permission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazancourt (talkcontribs) 15:39, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

You probably need to ask them to release the photo with a specific licence. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Image use policy. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category)[edit]

[2] great epic idea , i totaly agree can you please move the article to "White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category)" and create a new article called "White British" about white people of britain in genaraly Ami Deutshe (talk) 18:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Black Women in Europe Blog[edit]

Hi. Back in February 2011 you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you want to consider taking it to AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Cordless Larry. An editor has added some undue and unrepresentative material to the Somalis in the United Kingdom article, which I've commented about here. He has also added some similar non-neutral soapboxing to the Black British page, some of which I've also removed. However, I still think you should give it a look when you have the chance (e.g. one section was re-titled Mass street conflicts with white racists and police forces). The edits seem to be a bit Afrocentric overall. Thought I'd contact you since I know you try and maintain the British-related articles. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 20:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Apologies, Middayexpress, I don't think I was actively editing Wikipedia when you posted this message. I probably saw it but was too tired of debates about that article to get involved. I'm slightly wary of doing so even now, but as you know I've engaged with the article again after a long break. Did the issue get resolved? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Lagos[edit]

Please join us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lagos! -- M2545 (talk) 15:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

British Nigerians[edit]

Thanks for you assistance Larry, it has been much appreciated. Given recent events, I think I will become a dedicated part time editor as general knowledge is my specialty. I think it makes sense to hold fire on the Education page for now as some of the resistance has nothing to do with the data and more to do with massaging the appearance of specific ethnic groups against others.

I will say I am a bit disappointed, as thought the editor management processes would stop this sort of thing from happening. Perhaps we should draw in others editors or try a new tack??

Anyway thanks for your input thus far. Nograviti (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Nograviti. Editing Wikipedia, and particularly articles of this nature, where people have very personal feelings about the subject, can be frustrating at times. I've only recently come back after a long break, which was partly the result of getting tired of endless debates such as this. I find it helpful to remember Wikipedia:There is no deadline. Yes, it's important to get incorrect or misleading data removed or clarified as soon as possible, but apart from that, giving it some time pays off and things settle to a consensus as more editors get involved. See Talk:British Cypriots as an example of that (admittedly where the other main contributor was making some pretty crazy arguments, which weren't hard to rebutt). Unfortunately not many editors seem willing to contribute to these ethnic group articles. A few people have chipped in on the Somali and Nigerian ones, but please do contribute further to them if you have the time and interest. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:46, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Your comments sent me on a trip down memory lane. I had to laugh at this, when the editor I clashed with over the British Cypriots article accused me of racism for daring as a non-Greek to contribute to articles about Greek people. The irony! Thankfully that editor was swiftly blocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hmm it is funny, but the issue is I don't see why users see such discussions in binary terms, that my group should be seen as the best or better than others. Often the facts on different ethnic groups have long historical reasons behind them. It doesn't mean one group is better than another. Look at Asia, if you had wikipedia in the 80s there would have been no comparison between China and Japan. But go forward 30 years and the picture changes entirely, everything is in flux and always changing. Today's leaders could become tomorrow's also rans..Nograviti (talk) 12:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
I can understand why some people act defensively about characterisations of groups that they are members of, particularly when those groups are subject to negative media coverage and outright racism (which Somalis undoubtedly are). However, it shouldn't spill over into censorship of material from verifiable and reliable sources. It's far better in my mind to use the data and to provide well-sourced explanations of it, for example so that readers can understand that there are very good reasons why Somalis fare relatively poorly in terms of education, than to suppress it. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Couldn't agree more, Boko Haram aside Nigeria isn't war torn and stands out as one of the few African countries where the colonial administration saw fit to create and use a small black middle class (Ditto Ghana). This wasn't the same in east Africa, where you often had divide and rule along with middle class imported from south Asia (Hence the Idi Amin expulsions). That probably explains the differences we are seeing and I agree one shouldn't be using WP to censor a particular group's shortcomings. I agree that Somalis are unfairly vilified, but the problem lays with the media not with Somalis in my opinion. In truth the UK is pretty good on such matters in Scandinavia outright racism towards Somalis is sadly commonplace Nograviti (talk) 12:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello Larry, did you pay to access the documents you cited in the recent discussion on education in the Somali page? I tried to access the document and the site requested a fee?Nograviti (talk) 08:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I forgot about that. I have institutional access via a university library. I'm going to write some suggested text to add to the Somalis article based on the journal article later today, hopefully, so you could perhaps comment on that. I have tried to describe the approach taken by the article on the talk page, for the benefit of those without access. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Please do and I will happily comment on that. I amazed at the level of detail you have to go to. But it is necessary to make sure the most accurate information goes up on WP. We should do the same for the British Nigerian page, even if the data in the new report is add odds with whats in the IPPR 2013 report (would be surprised if it is very different though).Nograviti (talk) 08:48, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Nograviti, I've now proposed some text on the talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Still would like to contribute to any other discussions, please contact me if you need any input. Btw I still would like your input re the Euromonitor article, unless I am missing something I still am not seeing direct links being drawn in the article between command of English and final education scores? Thanks for your input thus far Nograviti (talk) 19:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Somalis in the UK[edit]

Come on, all Somalis are Muslim. Put that in Somalis in England article — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, not according to the 2001 census. Wikipedia articles have to be based on reliable sources, and the census is regarded as one, so that's what we're using. If you think you have a better source, please do let me know. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

your photo of Kino Urania in Osijek[edit]

Hi Larry
I used your photo of Kino Urania in Osijek, Croatia on my web pages about a bike trip to Central Europe last year. Thanks for the beautiful picture!
Greetings from Amsterdam,
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Question for administrator[edit]

{{Admin help}} Can an admin help restore a deleted image, as discussed here? As you'll see, the admin who deleted the file now says it can be undeleted. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:01, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

One UK admin to the rescue... :-) Yes check.svg Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ron! Cordless Larry (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Help/advice needed[edit]

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I appear to have become the subject of an attempt at off-Wikipedia harassment relating to a Wikipedia article. Does anyone know where the appropriate place to report this is? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Larry, I'm sorry to hear about that. There isn't a lot that Wikipedia can do, but if you think that someone with a Wikipedia account is involved you can report it, with evidence of the link to the functionaries or to the Arbitration Committee. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 10:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Callanecc. I think it likely that the person has a Wikipedia account, though there's no evidence to link it to a specific editor from what I can tell. I'm at work now but will look into your suggestion when I can. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I e-mailed the Arbitration Committee earlier. No response as of yet. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Should I expect a response, Callanecc? I don't expect the ARBCOM to be able to catch the editor who sent it, but it would be good to at least get an acknowledgement for my sanity and some advice on editing the article in future. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
You should get a response, if you don't in a few days post a note on WT:ArbCom reminding them about it. While I don't know anything about the circumstances, I'd suggest you be very careful in editing the article and consider avoiding it since there's not a lot which can be done to prevent it. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 10:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Callanecc. I'll do that if I don't hear anything. I kind of don't want to stop editing the article because then they get their way. It's not as if they've threatened violence or anything like that, but that the more I try to contribute to the article, the more editors they will recruit to oppose any edits I make or suggest, and also that they will try to set me up to look like I've been breaking Wikipedia rules somehow and get me blocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I am lost. Whom exactly are you talking about? AcidSnow (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
The person who made the threat, AcidSnow. I have no idea who it was sent by, I'm afraid, as it was anonymous. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I see now. You were also talking about on Wikipedia stuff which was quite confusing. AcidSnow (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
You mean in my comments above, AcidSnow? Yes, the threat was made offline, but the contents were about Wikipedia. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks much[edit]

Thanks for your helpful comments at Talk:Hard Choices (Moore book). Much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

No worries, Cirt. I'm always interested to see more "meta" (if that's the right term) stuff on Wikipedia, such as treating books as subjects for articles rather than solely as sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Portuguese in the UK[edit]

You don't consider Portuguese people from former Portuguese territories as Portuguese, do you? [3] (talk) 16:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure I have a view on that. Why do you ask? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
All references to Angola, Macau, etc., were removed. (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Understood. I removed that because I was replacing unsourced material with material that could be sourced, per Wikipedia:Verifiability. If you can find sources for the material that I removed, please do suggest them and I can add it back in. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Would you consider using the {{citation needed}} tag instead for the time being? The Portuguese citizenship is known to be used by Portuguese citizens from former Portuguese territories to relocate to the EU. Goans, in particular, prefer the UK.[4][5] (talk) 17:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The article has been tagged as needing citations since February 2011. I think that's long enough! I tell you what, though: I'll take another look to see what I can find myself. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
{{Citation needed}} is different from {{unreferenced}}. Portuguese in the UK don't only mean people who were born within the 21st century borders of Portugal. Those from former territories can't be missing from this article. (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Different template, but it was there to signify the same thing - that much of the article was unsourced. I'll see what I can do to address your concerns. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I've added material about migration of people seeking to avoid the Portuguese Colonial War back in, with a source, but I'm struggling to find anything concrete on Portuguese people from Macau migrating to the UK. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Great. (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I spoke too soon about Macau: see these edits. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Administrator help[edit]

Hi. I posted at WP:ANI yesterday and haven't had input from an admin yet. Could someone take a look? Thanks. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I have posted a comment there. I hope it helps. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, JamesBWatson and to Samsara for your contribution too. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

British African-Caribbean people[edit]

British African-Caribbean people confuses people. The word "African" must be removed. For example, have a look here. In the ethnicity section "Black African" and "Black Caribbean" appear to be the same. --115ash→(☏) 14:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

There's nothing stopping you from opening up a move request for the article, 115ash. You can't tag it on to an existing request when that's already been the subject of a week's worth of discussion, that's all. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Although I should also say that I would oppose a move to British Caribbean people, on the grounds that not all Caribbean people are African-Caribbean. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
What could we do? "British African-Caribbean people" is not acceptable.--115ash→(☏) 10:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, 115ash, that's the name that comes closest to WP:COMMONNAME. Plenty of reliable sources use it, certainly. However, if you don't like the article title then you should feel free to suggest a move. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
"Afro-Carabbean" sounds finer. --115ash→(☏) 13:32, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
My sense is that "Afro-Caribbean" is a bit of a dated term, and some sources indeed note that it is increasingly being replaced by "African-Caribbean". You should request the move if that's what you want to suggest though, 115ash. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
I've added a terminology section to the article to try to reflect debates about this. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:45, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd need to contact a user who has the permission to make changes on the infoboxes, but I've forgotten this right. Who are them? Do you know? --115ash→(☏) 14:14, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes are just templates, so you can edit them yourself, as far as I know, 115ash (subject to the usual rules about concensus). Cordless Larry (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Haha! I was not talking about that. As I said before about this matter here, which needs to be solved. Anyway, I will try to solve this. --115ash→(☏) 14:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, you meant the content of the infobox rather than its design. I see. I think I've fixed it for you, 115ash. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, but what about London Boroughs? Such as this?--115ash→(☏) 14:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm afraid that they will probably have to be edited individually. I didn't realise that the issue extended beyond the City of London article. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I was talking about this. This even confused me, for instance, there were 1,904,684 Black British in UK (2011), but I thought that there were just less 700,000, given that I read Black Carabbean's one and never noticed about the Black British one. So who can fix them? --115ash→(☏) 14:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure that there's an editing tool that can make that task easy. I'll look into it when I get a few moments. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. This would be very helpful. Just for the motive of inquisitiveness, am I talking with a male or female? Are you of African or Caribbean ancestry? --115ash→(☏) 15:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I've had a look through the available tools and have found one that I've used before that will do it. I'll try to do it tonight. I'm male. My interest in these topics doesn't come from my own background but rather a scholarly interest in ethnicity statistics. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for everything, good luck!--115ash→(☏) 15:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
It turned out to be very simple, 115ash. The borough articles all use Template:Infobox London Borough, so it was just a case of tweaking that template. It happens that City of London doesn't use that infobox, which led me to believe that all borough articles would have to be edited individually, but that wasn't the case. Thanks for bringing the issue to my attention. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed. I've no idea why I would have linked "alone". Cordless Larry (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Image overcrowding[edit]

Greetings. I've seen that you've converted changes to the Bosnia and Herzegovina's article, by removing pictures which you suspect that's overcrowding. I believe it is not. It fits well, and I saw no complaints from others that it doesn't compile perfectly with the text. Any secure aspects of words which can misjudge my claim? KalyEV. (talk) 11:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi KalyEV.. I'm not sure I quite understand what you're asking. I removed some images in response to a discussion on the article's talk page. If you disagree with the removal of the images, that's the best place to say so. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

What I wanted to ask is that, what's the point of removing the pictures, it just fits well with the article and the text. I didn't know there was a discussion topic about it, thank you for noticing, I'll move my point of view there. KalyEV. (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for University of Rwanda[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Crisco 1492. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

"Did you know..."[edit]

How did your article get in "Did you know..."? AcidSnow (talk) 18:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi AcidSnow. It got there because I nominated it and it was accepted. See Wikipedia:Did you know. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! AcidSnow (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
It would be good to get a Somalia-related article featured there, if that's what you're thinking, AcidSnow. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Yah that's my plan. I will like to see more individuals edit on Somali articles. 16:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Me too, AcidSnow, although I think it's a bit hopeful that a DYK mention will achieve that. I have a feeling that the number of people regularly editing Wikipedia is on a bit of a serious slide, and I always struggle to get people to offer opinions on talk pages and the like. It also seems that vandalism isn't being reverted as quickly as it used to be - though perhaps things were always like this and I'm just remembering the old days through rose-tinted glasses. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I see what you mean, it seems that more people are making accounts just to do vandalism. AcidSnow (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure that there's any more vandalism, but it doesn't seem to get so systematically reverted as I remember. I recently discovered that the ethnicity statistics in the Peterborough article (supposedly a featured article) had been vandalised more than a year ago, and no one had reverted them! Anyway, let me know if you want any help with or advice on a Somalia article DYK, AcidSnow. I've had a few articles featured over the years. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh I am not talking about all across Wikipedia rather just Somali related articles. A good example would be Somaliland article. I plan to get more info on the Somali Sultanates before I go on make a DYK for them. There's no need to see a small article lol. AcidSnow (talk) 17:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, possibly it's more of a problem with Somalia-related articles. DYK requires that an article be new or the text to have expanded at least fivefold in the previous seven days, so it's a good idea to pick a underdeveloped article that you can easily expand. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Can I ask how this is going, AcidSnow? My offer still stands, so shout if you need some help or advice. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I have currently hit a stump in my expansions of articles. AcidSnow (talk) 21:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that. Is it something that input from other editors could help you resolve? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Possibly, currently am trying to figure out the line of succession for the Imam of Mogadishu. I know as of now that there was differently an Imam named Mahmud. Also knowing when the Ajuran collapsed would also be useful. AcidSnow (talk)
Sounds tricky and I'm not sure I can help much with that, other than looking in the usual places that I assume you've already checked. Presumably you've asked for help from the relevant WikiProjects? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Nonetheless, thank you for your help. I have moved on to Italian sources as of now and I believe I have found the right list of people. AcidSnow (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Markowitz - Sarajevo[edit]

Hi Larry,

so if I get it right Markowitz is suggesting that the authorities, or "state" as she calls it, might have falsified the census results to arbitrarily re-categorize a portion of Muslims, Yugoslavs and Others as Bosniaks in spite of their self-declaration as "Other" in the census? That is quite a grave incrimination (rigging a census) don't you agree? What does Markowitz base it on? How and why is not clear to her? To me it appears that she is merely speculating without any hard evidence whatsoever. As such, it might be a qualified editorial by an academic, but hardly worthy the factuality of an encyclopedia. If we shall insist on keeping the source, then let's at least not mince its implications: Academic Fran Markowitz speculates that the census results might have been downright falsified to increase the number of Bosniaks. Regards. (talk) 10:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Looking at the source, I don't think Markowitz is suggesting that the state falsified the results (in fact, I'm pretty certain she's not). She discusses the formalisation of the Bosniak category in the Dayton agreement, and then argues: "Solidifying loosely defined Muslims into a Bosniac national group responded to people's fears and desires, and since the end of the war this Bosniac ethnopolitical identity has become fixed as fact. The state category and citizens' sensibilities have been working together to shape selves that correspond to the constitutional mandate of a Bosniac people". So she's not arguing that the census is falsified, but highlighting how the state has been involved in the growing identification with the Bosniak identity. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
When I get time, I will see if I can read the Markowitz article in more detail and write a summary to replace that quote, which is potentially confusing. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thanks for clarifying that. In that case, however, the current phrasing is highly misleading: "the state acted by fiat to turn Muslims (and perhaps Jugoslaveni [Yugoslavs] and Ostali [others]) into Bosniaks, or if its citizens through their self-declarations made that switch in identity". We have established that the citizens, indeed, opted to declare themselves as Bosniaks in the census ("checking that box") and that the results have not been manipulated with in any way. Thus, 79.6% of respondents truly self-declared as Bosniaks. What Markowitz thus concludes is that state and citizens have "been working together" to consolidate the desire of a Bosniak national group, which is a perfectly normal and understandable process (in fact, this is how states and nations pretty much function everywhere), and it does not render the census results any less valid or inaccurate. Suggesting that the state acted "by fiat and turned/manipulated people into something" is entirely misleading, and to be honest, unacceptable. Seeing how objective Markowitz is in her assertions cited by you, I doubt that the current phrasing is directly lifted from her work, but rather the result of a wild misrepresentation of the latter. As you conclude yourself, Markowitz is not all contesting the validity of the census but discussing the national development of Bosniaks in post-war Bosnia. Now my question to you is, do you REALLY think that is relevant to highlight in the demographics sections (a section that should largely deal with hard facts and figures, rather than dwelling on the issue of Bosniak national development)? Not to mention that the text currently makes out that development to be something manipulated/constructed out of the parliament for which reason the census results must be met with skepticism. I'm sure you see the problems. My suggestion is after all, to remove the source altogether (it is beside the point) or, secondly, rephrase it to actually represent Markowitz assertion (but then we end up with a theme that has no suitable place in a demographics section). What is not an option, however, is keeping it the way it is. (talk) 11:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Great, thanks. I will check back later. One possible way to go about it, if we decide on rephrasing rather than removing, is to explain that following the war the Bosniak category has been formalised, replacing the former Yugoslav category "Muslim". And that after the war most citizens have taken to traditional ethnicities ("Muslim" was never a traditional ethnicity, or hardly an ethnicity at all, but more of an ethnic policy imposed by the Yugoslav government) leaving "Muslims" and "Yugoslavs". (talk) 11:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi again! I've made some changes to text which I feel sorts it out nicely. Added a slight background to the Bosniak category and explicated the meaning of what Markowitz tries to get through. Cheers, (talk) 14:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, When I get time, I'll still read the article in more detail to make sure we've covered her argument properly, but I think you've done a good job judging by my quick scan. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2015 (UTC), I've made some further changes to try to reflect Markowitz's analysis a bit more comprehensively. Let me know what you think (you might not be able to post here as I've had the page semi-protected due to some IP vandalism, but you could post at Talk:Sarajevo instead, which is probably a more appropriate place anyway. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, could I have your assistance?[edit]

Hi Larry,

seeing we had such a frutiful exchange earlier I would like to ask if you would consider assisting me with a blatant POV-pusher that has even gone to the extent of employing a bot to do her dirty work. And of course, it's related to Bosnia and the Balkans, what else. Sigh. :( The user is Yerevani Axjik, and here's a small, but in no way isolated, taste of her work. Needless to say, she is painfully pro-Serb (affiliations which she does not even deny on her user page) and the effect, of course, is a reduced reliability on behalf of Wikipedia. (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, The best thing to do in the first instance is probably to raise this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bosnia and Herzegovina. I'm not really sure what the consensus is on the naming articles on places in Bosnia, but people there will have a better idea. I will try to contribute to the discussion as I see fit. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:36, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Larry! I will write up a case and gather "evidence" in the next few days. I'll keep you posted.. (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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I was too late[edit]

Sorry, I was away for a while there. Glad that Callanecc has given you some protection.  —SMALLJIM  11:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries at all, Smalljim. It just looked like you were online and actively editing, so I thought I'd try you as a first option. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

British Empire[edit]

Hi Cordless Larry, I'm having trouble in regards to editing this article. I deleted a sentence that wasn't backed by sources yet explained why it should be deleted, nevertheless, there was a consensus conflict in regards to the article and tried to prove my point in the article's talk page and provided sources that explain why the sentence should be removed but no one seems to have even read the sources [6]. I would appreciate your help greatly. (N0n3up (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC))

Can I ask why you have contacted me in particular, N0n3up? I don't really have expertise on that topic. I can look into it, but it would be good to know why I've been selected! Cordless Larry (talk) 19:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I chose you randomly to be honest, and I didn't really know where else to turn. (N0n3up (talk) 19:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC))

Your last message[edit]

Irish temper is an expression often used to signify someone with high temper, and he called me an old fart. He's the one who insulted me, not him, I just made an expression. (N0n3up (talk) 20:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC))

Perhaps you should reflect on whether that's an appropriate expression to be using in interactions with other editors. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Piracy off the coast of Somalia[edit]

Goodness me, it only took a month :)  — Amakuru (talk) 17:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Amakuru. I'm glad that we finally found a title that achieved consensus and is better than "Piracy in Somalia". I also learnt how to close move discussions as a result of the backlog! Cordless Larry (talk)
Yes, it's certainly in need of a lot of attention right now!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Emereo Publishing[edit]

Apparently they donate a portion of their sales to the WMF. Interesting. Soap 06:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello! I have semiprotected this page as you requested. I also have a suggestion. I note that you keep telling the IP, in edit summaries, to take it to the talk page. That is the right thing to do, but it may not be enough. They may not know how to do that, or they may not know about edit summaries. It often helps if YOU start a thread on the talk page, which they can reply to. After all, you are reverting them repeatedly; you should probably go to the talk page and explain why, rather than simply telling them to do so. If they are a static IP you can also leave a note on their user talk page with a link to the article talk page. When you start the talk page discussion yourself, it makes it clear to observers that you are the one who understands Wikipedia practices, and it shows that you are bending over backwards to work with the disputing party. Just a suggestion. --MelanieN (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, MelanieN. That's a good point about the talk page discussion. I would usually raise it on the user's talk page, but since this appeared to be a dynamic IP, I didn't on this occasion. I could have started the discussion on the article talk page, as you say, and I will be sure to do this in future. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: William Safran[edit]

Hi Cordless Larry,

I was wondering how I could post that information; as all of the publications are verifiable through world-cat and other sources.

How does one expand the information that has been posted by someone else? All Bill was trying to do was clarify something someone else posted. He's 80+ and doesn't know how to use all these different media; therefore he asked me to do it...and clearly, I don't understand the rules of wikipedia either. :-)

Best, Lisa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa Guinther (talkcontribs) 23:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lisa Guinther. To expand an article, you just need to add the text to what is already there, rather than copying and pasting over it. I suggested on your user talk page that you post the material on the article's talk page, from where other editors can help you have it added to the article. The list of publications isn't that much of an issue - it's easily verified, as you say - but we need sources for the biographical material. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
The Michelle Hale Williams source that you had mentioned in your additions proved to be a good reference for the biographical material, so I have added a summary of his early life and education using that. I have also added some of his publications, based on WorldCat. I will try to expand the article further when I have time. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cordless Larry,
Thank you, I think I understand now.
I will work on this over the weekend.
Lisa Guinther (talk) 14:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Lisa Guinther, I think I've now managed to add most of your suggested material to the article now, and found sources for it. Let me know if you need help developing the article further. I hope that William is happy with it. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much Larry!
This is wonderful.
Lisa Guinther (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for the positive feedback. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Kismayu edits[edit]

Cordless Larry, you appear to be interested in Somali issues. I've just posted the following on Talk:Kismayo: 'Readdition of Jubaland flag with edit summary 'formatting: This kind of edit. Middayexpress, for Kismayu, with the edit summary 'formatting' but actually consisting of adding the Jubaland flag, to bolster that entity's profile, is not the way we edit Wikipedia. I must kindly ask you not to game the encyclopedia/wikilawyer in this fashion. Cease misrepresenting Somali issues, please. I've asked you many times - I've run an RfC - there are only so many other dispute resolution forums to go to. (Just FYI, Cordless). Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 11:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Buckshot06. I have had similar concerns about this editor passing off as content edits as "copy editing" in the past (a recent example here). Cordless Larry (talk) 11:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Courtesy notification, re Somalis in the UK[edit]

Addressed to Middayexpress: would you kindly please explain this edit? Why did you remove the valid, referenced material about a mayor in the UK, that was useful for establishing the dates he was in office? Your edit summary was "neutralize", and removing information that completes an explanation about an issue is in violation of WP:NPOV, specifically WP:YESPOV, where it indicates "Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information." I do not know how to explain this to you more clearly. Cease and desist violating WP:NPOV, please, because after an RfC, the only option left to me is appealing to Arbcom. I have, because I've been trying to be polite, not directly indicated that I am starting to consider Arbcom, but your repeated violations of NPOV really leave me no choice but to speak plainly. Happy to explain myself more clearly if anything is not already clear. I am copying User:Cordless Larry, who raised the Somalis in the United Kingdom issue with me, and due to your diligent attention to Somali-related articles, WP:Somalia. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 08:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, Buckshot06. I did try to find out what Middayexpress thought wasn't neutral about that source on the talk page, but didn't really get an answer. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
In addition to User:Chuckupd, and myself temporarily, User:HOA Monitor also displays some signs of being driven away by constant POV pushing due to some individuals. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

HOA Monitor (talk) 05:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)Thanks for notifying me. That was indeed the case - persistent POV pushing by certain individuals.

HOA Monitor, welcome back. Hope your time spent downrange will aid us building the very best picture of the area possible... Buckshot06 (talk) 10:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

All good,Buckshot06. Good to be back. Looking forward to working with you and other contributors on developing useful, accurate and objective material.HOA Monitor (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


I appreciate your decision for not accusing me of anything (be it direct or indirect) unlike other individuals in that dissucsion. AcidSnow (talk) 11:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries, AcidSnow. I have always found you much easier to work with than MiddayExpress, and therefore find it easier to assume good faith. However, I do understand that other editors may be concerned, given that you have exchanged e-mail addresses with Midday and discussed keeping in touch. I think you just need to be very careful to not be seen to be coached by Midday in any way. That's not meant as criticism or as a warning that you shouldn't continue to edit the articles that you want to contribute to, just as friendly advice for avoiding being dragged into trouble. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I have attempted to make it clear once again that Midday never coached me at the AN/I dissusion. AcidSnow (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
AcidSnow, I imagine what people will want to be reassured about is that you won't allow yourself to be coached in future. Anyway, that's the end of my advice as I don't want to be accused of coaching you myself! Cordless Larry (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Haha, I see. Though I may need your guidance in the future. AcidSnow (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I was mostly joking, AcidSnow. Please do feel free to ask for guidance in future, if you think I can help. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I sure will! Thank you! AcidSnow (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
AcidSnow, I'm sorry if I made pejorative remarks that seemed to imply you were a problem, at that discussion or at any other. As far as I'm concerned, you're not, or you haven't demonstrated so far. Looking at the reverts you've made in the last 24 hours I've realised that despite having good grounds for them, I acted without searching out the references (International Crisis Group reports among others). I should have done that. Anyway the articles will change quite a bit over the next while, because Midday, while making a large number of very valuable edits, did rather take things to a bit of an extreme position in some cases. I hope we can talk these things through, as I make the changes. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I have mentioned previously that Acidsnow and the other users are possibly friends at ANI. They all do not care for reliable sources. They edit articles by backing their own original research as clearly seen here [7]. The ban should include acidsnow and it needs to be broadened to east african related articles. I already have the support of Hadraa. Zekenyan (talk) 21:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Zekenyan, thanks for your message, but the place to raise this is at WP:AN/I, especially if you have evidence of meatpuppetry, as you suggest. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I appreciate your assistance these past few weeks Cordless Larry. AcidSnow (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

That's OK. I'm not sure that I've done much, but your words are appreciated, AcidSnow. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
As you can see from the An/I report and other places, you have made clear that I am nothing like Midday and nor is there anything to prove that I was. One the other hand, we have individuals like Hadraa and Zekenyan. Anyways, many of the things that Midday is doing or appears to be doing have backlashed against me. But I will like to make it that I have no idea where Midday is going with this. I know much less than you guys do about this issue. Especially when it came to this post. More importantly, I have never spoken to Midday off Wikipedia, let alone after his departure. So I truly have no idea what is going on. AcidSnow (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, that's reassuring to hear. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
If you need anything then let me now. I am not sure how long I will remain on Wikipedia. Prior to Middays departure I had complapted about leaving this site. Also, I would like to know weither it's inappropriate to inform these new users the rules of Wikipedia or not? If I am allowed to then after a few (1-2) then I will depart. AcidSnow (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that anyone can welcome new editors. There are some templates for doing so at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee. How will you identify them though? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure actually. In fact, most of the people that come to Somali articles have little desire to improve therm. AcidSnow (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, I will try my best to improve those that I'm able to. I'm sorry to hear that you're considering quitting. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
It's alright. Wikipedia hasn't been as fun as it use to. However, it is nice to know that at least someone cares that I am possibly quitting. AcidSnow (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
While I think about it, AcidSnow, can you take a look at the discussion at User talk:ذو سواد ملكي مكروبي بنطي#Somalis? I was trying to establish what the correct Somali-language term for Somali people was, but my lack of Somali language ability hampered me! Cordless Larry (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I understand, this issue seems to rise from how English Wikipedia is the dominate Wiki. As you can see from Somalia Standard Time, I am still somewhat active so if you need anything don't hesitate to ask. AcidSnow (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, AcidSnow. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Anytime. AcidSnow (talk) 20:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding Somalia Standard Time, is that the correct name for it, AcidSnow? Google only returns eight results, and none for "Soomaaliya Heerka Waqtiga". Cordless Larry (talk) 22:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Mogadishu Time is used much more often. However, I choose Somalia Standered Time since it seems to be the official name and it is in line with Japan Standard Time and various other countries as well. AcidSnow (talk) 22:49, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
What's the source for the official name, AcidSnow? Most sources I've found say that Somalia uses East Africa Time. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
My apologize. I didn't mean to say "official" but rather GreenwichMeanTime, which this whole timezone thing is based off of. They state the same for Japan Standard time. AcidSnow (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
OK. I'm not sure if that is a reliable source. I'll look into it more later. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Just don't mention Santa[edit]

Before I pack it in for the day, you might be amused - if you've not seen it already - by this bit from Fox News. Santa is white and a verifiable fact, children, and Jesus was a white man too. NebY (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Doh, NebY, there goes my plan for a list of ethnic minority prophets! Cordless Larry (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


I am currently being stocked by an individual on Wikipedia. This individual has opted not to discuss my edits with me but rather enjoys simply reverting them instead. They don't poses an account either and are simoly an IP. However, with every revert they make their IP changes while still staying with the range of 2001:590. Is there anything I can do about this? Anyways, ciao. AcidSnow (talk) 01:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

You could report them at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Even if they haven't broken 3RR, if they're deliberately following you to edit war, then action might be taken. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It was resolved. It was just a bunch of people harassing me. AcidSnow (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

South Sudanese American[edit]

Hi, Cordless Larry!

I do not think we can eliminate anything more for now en the article Sudanese or South Sudanese American. At least until we know more sources that talk about Southern Sudanese Americans specifically. My contributions in those articles were mainly that goal: making remained valid information that spoke only of this group (so, there information that only is in a of those items, and not in the other), but I found that although they had data that spoke only of them, were others who spoke of whole Sudanese and South Sudanese Americans. In the item of South Sudanese American, I just delete the information that spoke exclusively of Sudanese Americans, not referring to the South Sudanese American.

Obviously, information about the whole of Sudanese and South Sudanese Americans whose sources do not distinguish between the two, it is difficult to include in just one of these groups, unless we find other information sources focused on only one of these groups and that contradicts information used for all Sudanese and South Sudanese American in whole. For example, if we read in these sources the South Sudanese live ONLY in certain parts of the US, which exclude places mentioned in the article as characteristic of Sudanese American/South Sudanese Americans in his whole. It is possible that in the future have more sources (such as web pages) that speak only of some of these groups and do we understand better your life and can separate information of one of those groups on the other. For now, most web pages were published before July 2011, the date on which the two territories split politically.

Anyway, in the article is easily distinguishable the information focused on just "South Sudanese Americans" of those focused in both groups (Sudanese and South Sudanese Americans). If the article says "the Sudanese did that", the information is about the Sudanese/South Sudanese in whole. If the article says the "the South Sudanese did that" is about some thinks made by the South Sudaneses. --Isinbill (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your extensive reply, Isinbill. It's a complicated issue, that's for sure. I'm not sure that it is so easily distinguishable as you say. Look at reference 3, for instance. That source appears to be about Sudanese people in general, but in the article it is used as a source for statements such as "This migration continued in the 90s, when some South Sudanese were established in other places such as Maine (settling them eventually in cities such as Portland and Lewiston)". Cordless Larry (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The case is that in these places, the most of "Sudanese Americans" are Christians (ie, from South Sudan; the people of North Sudan are Muslims), according point this article. In addition, the item also point some tribes from South Sudan living there. --Isinbill (talk) 10:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


They've been given all the rope they need; the hangman is just asleep at the switch. Not worth arguing with them, they clearly understand the issue but just don't care. Keri (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Keri. I won't reply again on their talk page because they clearly understand WP:RS but just don't care, as you say. Past behavior suggests that they will resort to IP editing once blocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
I've requested temporary semi-protection, but I'm considering requesting permanent Pending Changes. Thoughts? Keri (talk) 17:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Pending changes sounds like a sensible move, Keri. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


User Zekenian wrote that The current ban (on Middayexpress) is not effective. I propose the current topic ban be amended to "East African related articles" and include AcidSnow. and I agree with him. Furthermore I agree with what you wrote on Middayexpress's external canvassing. But IMHO we have to add even User:26oo and User:Vituzzu, in order to make the ban REALLY effective. Please go to [8] and click on Manmer2015 ....sincerely, B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your message,, but I have no power to impose or extend bans (and I couldn't do so in this case even if I did, as I was too involved in the dispute). However, for what it's worth, I feel that Middayexpress's external canvassing and declaration that they are no longer bound by Wikipedia's policies probably warrants a complete editing block. They appear to have quit Wikipedia for good and haven't posted again in the SomaliNet thread, though, so it's a moot point for now. If you have evidence that other users are breaking rules or are acting as puppets for Middayexpress then you should present the evidence at WP:AN/I. Incidentally, I don't find the claims on that blog about Al-Shabaab particularly convincing! Cordless Larry (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I agree that the problem "warrants a complete editing block". I am checking evidences about user:Vituzzu, who seems to be very involved in all this Muslim fanatism (today some Italians and a Canadian have been arrested in "Operation Martese", read [9]) inside Wikipedia....and I am thinking of following your advice and if possible present it on WP:AN/I. Sincerely, B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)