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John Cowper Powys's Autobiography[edit]

Corinne, would you be able to look at a new article that I've created, John Cowper Powys's Autobiography? Feel free to improve. Also I don't know if the section "Additional autobiographical sources" is really appropriate? Thanks. Rwood128 (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

That was fast. Many thanks for the improvements. Rwood128 (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :Rwood128 I'm flattered that you would ask me to edit your writing. Thank you for asking. I don't know the best place to write a few comments and concerns to you since the talk page for your article has not been created, so I'll write them here.

1) I removed a bit from the very beginning. I felt the sentences were too jam-packed with information.

2) I cut a bit from sentences later. I prefer lean sentences. Feel free to put back anything I've deleted anywhere in the article.

3) I'm a bit puzzled by quotes beginning with a capital letter (presumably the beginning of a sentence in the original) following the word "that" and no comma. I don't remember seeing that combination very often. I don't know if it is "correct" or not. I would normally use a verb such as "adds", "states", "claims", "points out", etc., or a participial, "saying", "adding", pointing out," etc., before a quote. If you want to incorporate the quote into your own sentence, and the quote follows "that", I would normally start the quote with a lower-case letter. But I'm not an expert in that, and you probably know more than I do, or could research it, so I'll leave it up to you.

4) Regarding the first sentence of the second paragraph:

  • Novelist Margaret Drabble describes it as "one of the most eccentric memoirs ever written", and notes that Powys indicates in his earlier autobiographical work, Confessions of Two Brothers, that "he takes Pepys, Casanova and Rousseau as his models, and his autobiography has justly been compared to Rousseau's Confessions of Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

(a) I think it's a little long.

(b) In the last part of the sentence, "his autobiography" is confusing. I think it refers to Autobiography, but you just mentioned "his earlier autobiographical work" (meaning Confessions of Two Brothers). I really did get a little confused as I was reading this paragraph, and I think it was this that threw me off. I wonder if you could leave any reference to Confessions of Two Brothers to later so there is no confusion that the paragraph is all about Autobiography. Even in the next sentence, beginning "Drabble adds, "It rivals them in its frankness," I'm not sure to which work the pronoun "it" refers, since you had just mentioned Confessions. The paragraph seems to go back and forth between the two works, and it's hard to follow.

(5) The third paragraph starts, "It is not a chronological account of his sixty years".

(a) It's not clear who says, or said, this.
(b) I wouldn't start a new paragraph with "it" unless the person who says, or said, it is mentioned pretty quickly.

(6) In the first paragraph, you have a sentence beginning, "Morine Krissdotir, in The Life of Powys, describes the "first chapter" of the Autobiography as...." I wonder whether "first chapter" needs to be in quotes.

(7) I think this short article would benefit by the addition of one or two quotes from the work to illustrate the most interesting aspects of the Autobiography.

(8) Regarding the list of sources, I'm not sure whether it is appropriate or not. It would be appropriate if you could make more of a connection to Autobiography. Right now it just seems to be a list of works that a researcher might use to do further investigation. You might consider deleting it or providing a link to it. (Perhaps it belongs in the article about John Cowper Powys.) Well, that's all. I hope this has been helpful. CorinneSD (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Corinne, many thanks for this very thorough review. What you say is most helpful. I'll take a more thorough look tomorrow and start revising. Rwood128 (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


Fayenatic london I'm thinking about changing my username to just "Corinne". Would that be possible? I read on WP:Username#Changing your username that normally even if one changes one's username, the signature on discussions continues to display the original username. I wonder if mine could be changed so that my signature even on discussions shows as just "Corinne". CorinneSD (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Corinne, you could edit every talk page that has your old signature, perhaps using WP:AWB, but that sounds like a poor use of your time. The normal thing would be simply to leave redirects from the old user/talk page to the new. – Fayenatic London 20:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Fayenatic london Thank you for your reply. I wasn't thinking of going back to old signatures. Perhaps I misunderstood what it said in WP:Username#Changing your username. I thought it meant that my old signature would continue to appear when I sign with four tildes on new discussions. CorinneSD (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC) In the second paragraph of WP:Username#Changing your username, it says, "Signatures on discussion pages will continue to use the old name". CorinneSD (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Corinne. I think that this is referring to the old discussions where you signed with your username (these won't change automatically). If this does turn out to be a problem, you can always edit how your signature looks in the "preferences" page ([1]); this may also be a suitable alternative to changing your username (if you are interested in changing the signature more than the actual username). Regards.--MarshalN20 Talk 22:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Right. Your signature can be different from your user name. You could shorten your signature right now to Corinne, while still linking to your existing account name CorinneSD. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both. Fayenatic london, I'd really like to change my user name, not just my signature, if it's not too much trouble. Will it be linked to the previous account/user name? CorinneSD (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the old will be redirected to the new. – Fayenatic London 19:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bicycle kick[edit]

Just dropping by to thank you for the copy-edit work. Let me know if there is any part that is unclear. I am particularly worried that the lead section does not adequately summarize the history section (perhaps Barraza's quote should just be in the body text?). Thank you very much!--MarshalN20 Talk 22:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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CorinneSD, I hereby award you The Copyeditor's Barnstar for your extraordinary copyedits of Flag of West Virginia and John Collins Covell. It was a sincere privilege to have you undertake these copyedits of two my articles, and I'm greatly appreciative of your hard work! Thank you for your continued contributions to ensuring and improving upon the quality of Wikipedia's content. -- West Virginian (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Cplakidas Which "Olympia" should this be linked to? CorinneSD (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Olympia, Greece. I'm fixing this and making some other link adjustments to the article myself. Constantine 15:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


Sending my thanks to you for the copyedit, even though I did send one anyway. I'll work on the article for the next couple of days and I will most likely ask you to double check and see if everything has been fixed/clarified. I have decapitalised "meat ant" so that should no longer be an issue. I have also clarified what meat ants are by incorporating its binomial name. Burklemore1 (talk) 03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


Trying to get a better picture. Sorry for the late reply. I was on a vacation. Aditya(talkcontribs) 04:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Samuel Lightfoot Flournoy and William C. Clayton[edit]

CorinneSD, thank you so tremendously much for taking the time to complete two more copyedits of my nominated articles at GOCE. I've clarified all points in both articles. To avoid confusion over the term incorporator, I've linked the first mention in each article to Wiktionary. Really, its any one person charged with the incorporation of a company. As for Flournoy's son, he was given the same name his father but he never used the term junior publicly, so its Wikipedia article is rendered as Samuel Lightfoot Flournoy (West Virginia lawyer). Please take a look and let me know if I have addressed all your points for clarification. Thanks again Corrine! -- West Virginian (talk) 15:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for your edits on Valentin Wolfenstein and Carola Häggkvist. But could you please add the GOCE tag on each of the articles talk pages. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:44, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

BabbaQ You're welcome. I've just added the template to each article's talk page. I assume you've seen the "clarification needed" templates I've added to each article. Let me know if you need any help, feedback, or further review. CorinneSD (talk) 03:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


Re Elevenie, made some suggestions on my talk. Sca (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


Still Life with Fruits - Peeter Snyers (Snijers) - Google Cultural Institute.jpg .
Some fruits Hafspajen (talk) 00:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen Oh...beautiful! Thank you! I had never seen that painting nor heard of the artist. He really captured the grapes and grape leaves. I like the way the plums are not perfect like the ones in the grocery stores. Also, the flowers right at the center are exquisite. I'm going to add it to my collection on my user page. CorinneSD (talk) 00:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes those plums are quite captured, look like the ones one is picking in real gardens...Hafspajen (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Food, somebody said, Fooood???
But they look a little bluer than plums I usually see. I wonder if they really looked blue to Snijers or whether he made them blue to contrast with the orange of the other fruit (is that an orange on the left and a peach on the right?) and the rust-colored grape leaves. There's something about this color contrast that makes it look modern. CorinneSD (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
No, not really, not the kind I had in the garden ... before. Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Not really what? CorinneSD (talk) 00:55, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
the ones I use to steal from the neibours were looking like this, almost... really blue. Hafspajen (talk) 00:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh... I guess there are a lot of different kinds of plums. Thank you for the other picture! I'm going to look at it now. CorinneSD (talk) 01:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh, yes, luxury. It looks like the guests have either finished eating and moved on or are taking a break before continuing to eat. There's still a lot of food there. CorinneSD (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Numbers as adjectives[edit]

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I'm copy-editing Bath, Somerset, and I want to change a number (500 kilograms) into an adjective, so it has to be hyphenated and have no "s" on "kilogram". However, it is now within a conversion template. I have forgotten how to put in the hyphen and make it an adjective (and make the converted result also an adjective with a hyphen). CorinneSD (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Use {{convert|500|kg|lb|adj=mid}}. Yunshui  07:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Yunshui Thank you for the template. I saw in the meantime that another editor had corrected the template, but wrote "adj=on" instead of "adj=mid". I wanted to see if your version would produce a hyphen between "1,100" and "lb", so I put in "mid" instead of "on" and looked at it in Preview, but it didn't. The result was the same. So I tried to put it back the way it was, but I put "adj" in the wrong place, so had to undo my own edit. I still wonder if there is a way to ensure that a hyphen appears between "1,100" and "lb" (and there should really be a hyphen after "lb" and after "kg" so it ends up looking like this: 500-kilogram- (1,100-lb-)" – as in "it's a hundred-foot-wide field", or "he's a six-foot-tall man" – so that it looks like this: 500-kilogram- (1,100-lb-), but since I haven't seen that in WP articles I guess it's not WP style). But there should at least be a hyphen between "1,100" and "lb" if possible. CorinneSD (talk) 16:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Corinne, |adj=mid is supposed to be used with extra word(s) inside the template, like this:
{{convert|6|ft|m|adj=mid|-tall}} man outputs "6-foot-tall (1.8 m) man"
Without the extra words, it's just the same as |adj=on.
You can always do the conversion yourself – there's no need to use the template – and just write something like "6-foot-tall (1.8-m-tall) man", but I've never seen this written anywhere! Personally I avoid dimensions as compound adjectives where at all possible. "A man who was 6 ft (1.8 m) tall" looks much better! Peter coxhead (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Bath, Somerset copy-editing[edit]

Thanks for all your work so far in copy-editing Bath, Somerset. In relation to Bishops & seats I have tried to clarify "he" in the first instance is John of Tours and I have used "The bishop" on the second occurrence. The term "poor infirm" is used in the sources, to illustrate it was for those who couldn't afford to pay for the "treatment" provided by the hot springs. The term "elderly infirm" is still used in British English (ie by the BBC and newspapers) to refer to those who are weak through age but don't have specific injuries or illnesses. Hope that makes sense?— Rod talk 08:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to second the thanks for the copy-editing. Nicely done. Rwendland (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

CorinneSD, do you ever participate in Wikipedia:Peer review? I think you would be a natural for it! With that in mind, and this is only if you have a free moment of time, would you be able to engage in a Peer Review of an article I have there at Wikipedia:Peer review/Capon Lake Whipple Truss Bridge/archive1. I needed a peer review of this article so that I could nominate it for Featured Article status. I normally wouldn't ask, but it's been lingering on the vine for a while and I wanted to have it reviewed before it passes without one. I know you're probably busy so please do not feel obligated to do so; you were just the first person I thought of! ;) -- West Virginian (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

West Virginian I'd be glad to review the Capon Lake Whipple Truss Bridge article. Let me first finish Bath (Somerset), which I took on several days ago. I did about half of the article and then didn't work on it for two days. I have participated in peer reviews before but didn't really know where to look for new ones. I reviewed Epacris impressa, Radiocarbon dating, and Oil shale in Estonia – before the articles got to Peer Review and after. Thank you so much for the Barnstar! It's much appreciated. Any time you have an article that needs reviewing, or even a section or paragraph of an article, I'd be happy to take a look at it. (By the way, I think West Virginia is an under-appreciated state. People don't know much about it, so the work you are doing is valuable.) CorinneSD (talk) 16:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
CorinneSD, thank you for your timely response and for assisting me in this endeavor! There is certainly no rush on this, so please take it on at your leisure. You are quite welcome regarding the barnstar. I'm one of the very few active West Virginia editors on Wikipedia, so I have a tall order to write as much about the state as I can. Your copyedits continue to improve West Virginia's visibility to Wikipedia's readers, and perhaps these articles will coax some to visit the Mountain State! -- West Virginian (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


Oh, and this is a little belated, but it's better late than never! Thank you again for your outstanding copyedits! -- West Virginian (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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CorinneSD, I hereby award you The West Virginia Barnstar for your outstanding copyedits of seven articles relating to the following West Virginia-related persons and symbol: John Collins Covell, Samuel Lightfoot Flournoy, Henry Bell Gilkeson, Gabriel Jones (Virginia), James Sloan Kuykendall, Thomas Bryan Martin, and Flag of West Virginia. Through your efforts, these articles meet a higher standard of quality and are in a better position to be promoted to Featured Article status in the future. Thank you for all your time and hard work! -- West Virginian (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

GOCE copy-edit requests; one at a time please![edit]

Hi Corinne, thanks for your work at the GOCE copy-edit requests page; however you've accepted three GOCE requests at one time; namely Angus McDonald (Virginia militiaman), Mendip Hills and Old Pine Church. We ask copy-editors to only accept one request at a time, so I've struck your other acceptances. Once you've finished one article, please feel free to return and unstrike one of the others. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 09:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Baffle gab1978 I hope you've seen that I've tried to adhere to this policy since you posted this. I'm writing this because I want you to know that I went through Indian National Congress once, carefully, over a period of a few days about a week ago. I made quite a few edits. Then I started to go through it again, and found a few more things. However, when I got to the Rajiv Ghandi section, I realized that I just couldn't read any more of it. I had already spent hours on the article and had had enough. So I asked Rwood128 and Rothorpe to go through it and posted "Partly done" at the Requests page. Both Rwood128 and Rothorpe made some edits, but I guess they don't have the time or inclination to go through the entire article, at least right now. I want to know if, based on my first review, I should put the "Done" template there, or not. I see other editors are now editing the article. Please see this last edit: [2] I don't know about content, but it seems unsourced, and it contains a grammatical error. I just thought I'd point it out to you. I'm already on to other articles. Corinne (talk) 23:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Mary Norris[edit]

Corinne, have you been following this series in the New Yorker? Sca (talk) 13:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Sca, I had read one article by her, but I didn't know she had a regular blog (or is it column?). I didn't even know you could read the New Yorker on-line. I've now bookmarked it. I'll probably read a few of her articles, but since I taught that stuff for over twenty-five years, I don't think I'll be reading a lot of it. Thanks for pointing it out, though. What articles have you been working on lately? I haven't seen many edits from you. I hope you've been enjoying the summer. CorinneSD (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Most of Morris's stuff is rather elementary, being pitched to general audiences, but she makes some good points in an entertaining way.
I edit mainly random history stuff, generally coordinated with my reading, plus keep watch on ITN, WP:ERRORS and FPC – but I could use something substantial to work on. (Horrors, I ended a sentence with a prepostion!) Noticed you've been absent from FPC.
And yes, you can access much of the NYer online for free, but they limit you to 10 articles per month if you're not a subscriber. Sca (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I recently discovered Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors and Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. The first has about 2,000 articles that need copy-editing, and the second has a constantly changing list of requests for copy-editing, including some that were designed FA in the last six years or so but need reviewing. I haven't participated in FPC, partly because Hafs was no longer participating, partly because I felt others seemed to know so much more than I did, especially with regard to photos, and partly because a few months ago I was preoccupied with other things for a while. I guess I might participate again at FPC, but more on paintings than on photos. How about working on that Ferdinand Rusczyck material (I forget how to spell his name)? Do you remember we worked on putting translations from Polish and Lithuanian articles into standard English? We made some headway, then dropped it. It may still be at Hafspajen's "sadbox". If you can't find it, ask Hafs where it is. There is an article that I saw a few months ago that really needs work. Let me think... CorinneSD (talk) 21:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm puzzled by the periodic resurfacing of this topic. I did what little I could with Ferdynand Ruszczyc last year. Remember, I don't speak / read Lithuanian or Polish other than a few words & phrases. Sca (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
PS: Here's a New Yorker tidbit for you. Face-grin.svg Sca (talk) 21:18, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Very funny; nice tongue-in-cheek. Re F. Ruszczyc, you said you would like a substantial project, so I thought that you, or we, could actually put together a good article on him. We're half-way done. We can use what has already been translated and just put it into good English and organize it. I found some things in my sandbox User:CorinneSD#sandbox. I had forgotten it was there. No more translations needed, or if there is anything we need to check, we can ask a native speaker. CorinneSD (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
P.S. How do you make a link to one's sandbox? I've tried two combinations, and it only leads to my user page. Here's an external link to it: [3] CorinneSD (talk) 21:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
P.S.#2 - Oh, dear. I just looked at it. I remember now that though I had better results with the Polish, I left a lot of blank spaces because I couldn't figure out what was meant. I guess we do need a native speaker. I'd forget the Lithuanian, unless there is something that looks interesting that is not in the Polish. I don't know any editor who knows Polish. CorinneSD (talk) 21:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
You could try User:Piotrus. He seems reasonable and he's been around a long time. Sca (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

May we recommend...[edit]

Perhaps you will enjoy some of the articles linked from User:EEng#DYK. EEng (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

EEng Thank you for the link. I will certainly read some of them. I was reading the article on Lionel de Jersey Harvard (had never heard of him). I added two commas after Cambridge and Massachusetts, I think, or after Cambridge two times (can't remember now). Then, after I saved my edits I looked at the article and realized that the second one was in a quote. I've been told by another experienced editor that it is all right to correct spelling and punctuation errors in a quote if it is clear that it was an error and not an alternate or earlier spelling, etc. (so done only with the utmost care), but I don't know in this case whether I should have added that comma for the one in the quote. To be correct, there should be a comma, but perhaps you would prefer it to match the original text. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to take out the comma. CorinneSD (talk) 00:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC) Here's the link to my edit: [4]. CorinneSD (talk) 00:22, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Despite what a lot of people think, the forms City, State can be followed by a comma, or not, depending on stylistic choice. So it's not at all the kind of thing we should be adjusting in quotations, any more than we should be changing Br. vs. Am. spelling. Same goes for X College, Cambridge (though this is not in a quote, so if you want to hunt up what MOS has to say about it, and MOS really wants a comma there, I'm happy for it to go back).
I hope you find the story of Lionel as beautifully sad as I did. EEng (talk) 04:52, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox template[edit]

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I wonder if it is possible to widen an infobox just a tiny bit. Please see User talk:West Virginian#Isaac Parsons (American military officer). CorinneSD (talk) 02:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I think the only way you could do that would be to make a change to the template itself (thus affecting all uses). However, I came up with a different attempt at a fix. I too was seeing Pancake wrapping to the next line. I reduce the font size in increments until it no longer wrapped and it turned out it only needed a tiny reduction (one that is, I believe, undetectable to the human eye). Is it still wrapping to the next line for you or did this fix your display as well?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
The template page mentions the mainwidth= parameter whose default is 22em. You can re-set that to widen the infobox. Huon (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Aha, glad I hedged!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

User name[edit]

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I'd like to change my user name to just "Corinne". Can you tell me how to do this? CorinneSD (talk) 02:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

You can go to WP:RENAME. Datbubblegumdoetalkcontribs 02:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
There already is a User:Corinne who was active at the Hungarian Wikipedia; you'd have to usurp the name. Huon (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Huon Thank you for the links. I read the instructions at the usurp page. However, I don't know whether to change my user name globally or just on English Wikipedia. I mostly edit on English Wikipedia, but I have occasionally made edits on Commons (the one with all the images) even though I haven't signed up for an account there, and I might someday edit on Simple Wikipedia. CorinneSD (talk) 14:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
We're in the process of unifying accounts across Wikimedia projects so that no two accounts of the same name by different users exist on different projects. In fact there was a User:Corinne on the English Wikipedia who was renamed "User:Corinne~enwiki" to prevent a conflict with the Hungarian User:Corinne. See the Single User Login finalisation announcement for details on this unification process. You will not be able to have just the English Wikipedia account renamed, and you will not be able to edit as User:Corinne at all if the conflict with the Hungarian user of that name isn't resolved via usurpation. I'm not familiar enough with usurpation to tell whether that will prove a problem, but since that other user hasn't made any edits in years I would hope usurping the name is possible. Huon (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Huon I put in a request yesterday to usurp the user name Corinne, and just now I saw a reply there telling me to tell the other Corinne about this request, but I don't know how to get to her talk page. I also don't know whether to leave a wiki-link (and, if so, how to formulate it) or an external link to my actual posting of my request. Can you advise me? CorinneSD (talk) 01:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
The other Corinne's talk page is at or, alternatively, at hu:User talk:Corinne. You should definitely leave a link to the request; linking to [[:meta:Steward requests/Username changes]] will give: meta:Steward requests/Username changes Of course you can also use an external link instead if you prefer. The good news is that the other Corinne's only edits were to an article on an American musical artist, making it likely that she can speak English, not just Hungarian. Huon (talk) 18:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hi Corinne, I like the name-change! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

E-mail notifications[edit]

{{helpme}} I no longer want to be notified in my e-mail inbox that someone has left a comment on my talk page. I went to "Preferences" and saw a small drop-down menu. One choice is, "Do not send any e-mail notifications". I want to know if that is the one I should choose. I do want editors to be able to send me an e-mail message if they want to, so I want that option to be there. I just don't want be told every time someone leaves a comment on my talk page. CorinneSD (talk) 02:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. To double check, go to "Preferences". Scroll down to "Email Options" and make sure that "Enable email from other users" is checked. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 03:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Possessive "s" after a link[edit]

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I just wondered if you could tell me what the purpose of {{'s}} is. I saw that added right after a link the title of a newspaper in italics in one article, and then just now I saw a bot added only apostrophe s ('s) right after a link at Cyrus Vance. Is there a difference? Is one more correct than the other? What is the difference between the 's in curley brackets and the regular 's? CorinneSD (talk) 01:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC) (Sorry, I went back to look at the first article and saw that it wasn't after a link; it was after a newspaper title.) CorinneSD (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

My understanding is that the template is used after italicized text because of the apostrophes required in wikicode to create italicized text. Since you type ''italicized text'' to produce italicized text, the addition of another apostrophe after that to create a possessive would mess up the double-apostrophe wikicode. So, you'd type ''italicized text''{{'s}} to get around that and successfully produce italicized text‍‍ '​‍s. See Template:'s. Cheers, Nick⁠—⁠Contact/Contribs 01:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Or ''italicized text{{'s}}'' to produce italicized text‍‍ '​‍s for that matter. Nick⁠—⁠Contact/Contribs 01:59, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Preposed appositive, or false title[edit]

Cassianto I saw your post at Rothorpe's talk page asking for his opinion regarding the use of "the" or not in preposed appositives, or false titles. I know Rothorpe doesn't mind if I chime in on his talk page, but I didn't know if you would mind, so I'm posting this separately here. I find the issue interesting, and I read the entire page at the link you provided. I also read the article on False title. I don't even know if you're interested in what I have to say since we've disagreed on some things in the past, but if you are, here are some thoughts:

1) I think the choice as to whether to place the descriptive appositive phrase before or after the name of the person being described is a stylistic choice. Whether or not "the" is included, the different placement can have different effects on the overall sound of the sentence.

2) I agree with William Safire. See False title#In favor of false titles, last sentence:

  • The usage pundit William Safire stated that the article "the" gives the title excessive emphasis and that it sounds funny to American speakers.

Adding "the" when the appositive is preposed (before the name of the person), puts emphasis on the title and draws some attention away from the name of the person. I think that is one reason why it is often used by Americans. Putting the phrase before the name and leaving out "the" makes the reader quickly skim the phrase to get to the name, thus slightly minimizing the importance of the appositive phrase, putting the focus on the name, and speeding up the flow of the sentence.

Putting the phrase after the name, as a real appositive, enclosed in a pair of commas, is of course perfectly good writing. However, this construction slows down the reader a bit and forces the reader to focus on that phrase.

Just a few minutes I happened to come across an example of the American usage. See the last sentence in the first paragraph in Oliver Sacks#Early life:

  • Sacks has a large extended family; his first cousins include Israeli statesman Abba Eban, writer and director Jonathan Lynn, and Nobel Laureate Robert Aumann.

This is contrasted with the other pattern in the first sentence of that paragraph.

I'll bet whoever wrote this had no idea that it was considered either American English or journalese.

I suppose I'll have to go along with the American style guides mentioned in False title that say leaving out "the" from a preposed appositive is considered less formal than including it, but I really believe that when not overused, and when the phrase itself is kept short, the word "the" is not always needed. I'd love to hear what you think. CorinneSD (talk) 00:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

We may've disagreed in the past, but that is certainly no reason to nurse a grudge and I thank you for your thoughts. Personally, I always think the definite article sounds better, more presise and a lot more professional. Omitting it, in my opinion, turns a good sentence into something which sounds like it has come from a tabloid. I'm led to believe that it was standard English many years ago, but has crept in from America thanks to various mediums including websites. I did provide some links within my comments to Josh, did you see those? CassiantoTalk 01:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Cassianto Thanks for your reply. I read the link you gave to Josh called Stack Exchange, and the writers were pretty much right on the mark regarding differences in the use of the definite article between British and American English in phrases such as in hospital/in the hospital, etc. I'm wondering whether there is a difference between something like
  • The English philosopher George Bernard Shaw...
  • Trial lawyer John Smith....
where George Bernard Shaw is a very well known philosopher that no one can mistake for another George Bernard Shaw and John Smith (a made-up name) is one of many trial lawyers in the country and the preposed appositive is merely providing his occupation. Americans would probably even use, "Noted trial lawyer John Smith...", maybe because there are many well-known trial lawyers, but when the person is really famous and is one of a kind, we would probably use "the":
  • The astronomer Carl Sagan....
I don't know. What do you think? CorinneSD (talk) 15:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
No, I honestly do think that using the definite article as an introducer sounds more professional. I was once told that that is why our newspapers in England use "the" in their titles ("The Times", "The Express", "The Financial Times"), although how true that is, I don't know. Saying "Writing for The Times, the theatre critic Joe Smith opined that the performance was 'a show-stopper'..." just sounds more correct than "Writing for The Times, theatre critic Joe Smith opined that the performance was 'a show-stopper'..." just seems lazy and tabloidesque. Maybe it's simply a stylistic choice? CassiantoTalk 16:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think it has become a real difference between American and British English. The sentence the way you wrote it sounds fine to me, and with "the" it sounds odd. CorinneSD (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, I think it must be a real difference between US and UK English. To me (being British) it reads like "note" or "tabloid" style rather than an appropriate style for formal writing. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (I'll read this last article in a minute.)

I guess you're right, but I certainly would not put a comma after the initial phrase before the person's name. To me, it isn't really an appositive, which would require commas. To me, this would be wrong:
  • The English philosopher, George Bernard Shaw, once said...
Would you put a comma after "philosopher" and/or after "Shaw"?
If the phrase comes after the name, then it is an appositive, and would require commas:
  • George Bernard Shaw, the English philosopher, once said...
Let me ask both of you: if the person were not well known, and you wanted to provide the occupation along with the name, would you write,
  • The fishmonger Tom Jones arrived later.
  • Tom Jones, the fishmonger, arrived later.
If you write, "The fishmonger, Tom Jones, arrived later", aren't you assuming that most people know who the fishmonger is, and that there is only one fishmonger in the village, and are adding the name almost as an afterthought?
If you write, "The fishmonger Tom Jones arrived later", aren't you just giving Tom Jones's occupation as supplementary information? If it's supplementary information, you're not automatically claiming that there is only one fishmonger, or are you? To American English, adding "the" here makes it sound as if there is only one fishmonger. If there is a good possibility that there are more than one, then we drop "the", making it clear that "fishmonger" is giving only his occupation, nothing more. CorinneSD (talk) 18:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
I had already read that article, and will probably read it again. Good afternoon, Editor Cassianto. ;) CorinneSD (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Corinne. Another attempt to find out how to pronounce this weird word has ended in failure. But perhaps you know. Rothorpe (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I just learned recently that "Leyland", in "Leyland cypress", is pronounced "LAY land". I don't know about "Leylandii", but probably lay LAND i i. Is this just your quest, or is there a discussion going on about it somewhere? Corinne (talk) 02:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
P.S. If you haven't already come across it, you might be interested in Leighton Hall, Powys#Christopher John Naylor/Leyland (1849-1926) and the "Gardens" section below it, which explains the origin of that species of cypress. Corinne (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, yes, it's just my quest. Indeed, Lay-LAND-ee-eye seems most likely. I expect someone will come up with a definitive answer eventually. Rothorpe (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Sminthopsis84 ought to know how it's pronounced. Corinne (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC) Is it "ee - ee" or "ee - eye"? Corinne (talk) 02:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
It's always a problem to pronounce Latin in English, and just about anything goes. I tell my students to pronounce it however they like but try to make every syllable count, and that they are sure to encounter people from other native languages who pronounce it so differently that flexibility is worth cultivating. For those who want a prescription, there are tables in Latin grammar books, usually with two columns, the classical pronunciation and the ecclesiastical. Those of us who were taught classical pronunciation would pronounce the two i's at the end as ee ee. Many people would say eye eye. For a classicist, eye goes with the "ae" spelling. Either method gets into trouble with some words: Pinus for classicists (apologies for that) and the many -eae endings for others (ay eye, it's easy). In my experience, prescriptions about pronunciation are mostly a US phenomenon; wherever else I've been, most people accept that accents vary. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Rothorpe In that section to which I provided a link, above, I came across the following sentence:
  • As a result of Christopher John of inheriting Haggeston, John (or Jack Naylor) became the owner of Leighton Hall and his Brother Roland Naylor the owner of the Brynllyarch Estate in Kerry.
There's something wrong with the first part of the sentence. I wonder if it should be:
  • As a result of Christopher John's inheriting Haggeston...
or something. Corinne (talk) 03:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that or simply 'As a result of Christopher John inheriting Haggeston'. Rothorpe (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you (again!)[edit]

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Corinne, it is another sincere privilege for me to award you The Epic Barnstar for your tremendous copyedits of Angus McDonald (Virginia militiaman), Old Pine Church, Isaac Parsons (American military officer), Isaac Parsons (Virginia politician), Valley, West Virginia, Eugenia Washington, and Lawrence Berry Washington. I appreciate your continued guidance and assistance in improving these articles so that they can be future Featured Article candidates! Thank you for a job well done! -- West Virginian (talk) 02:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


I am so sorry!

I don't know how to make my own pictures on my user page. I happened to see yours, and I really liked it! I'm so sorry! I am really a lame editor.

Could you please tell me how to post on pictures? I really don't know how.

Thanks, and my apologies again!

--Gryffindor123 (talk) 00:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. How did you find out about what I did? How did you reach my user page?

SO Sorry![edit]

Stuttgart-vfb-1954-dfb-pokal.jpg You have an amazing userpage!
I am so sorry that I copied down your userpage onto mine! I am the worst at making userpages, you are the best! Oh, how can I make it up to you? Gryffindor123 (talk) 00:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


..for helping with the copyediting of the two articles. Could you please add the GOCE tag to both articles talk pages. Thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

BabbaQ You're welcome! I was away for three days. Now I don't know to which articles you are referring. Should I be adding the GOCE template to every article after I finish copyediting it? If so, I'm sorry. I didn't know I should be doing that. I will from now on. Corinne (talk) 00:23, 24 August 2015 (UTC) P.S. I don't know where on the talk page to put the GOCE template. Corinne (talk) 02:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
"Please consider adding the template {{GOCE|user={{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|date={{subst:date}}}} on the talk page of articles you have copy edited" is what the WP:COPYEDITORS request page says. I interpret that to mean it is a personal preference whether or not to add the template (though perhaps it's encouraged); I also think a requestor adding the tag to the talk page in lieu of the copyeditor if they would like it there is reasonable (I've done that in the past).Godsy(TALKCONT) 01:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Godsy Godsy (second ping in case you didn't see this) I'm sorry to bother you again, Godsy, but I'm new at this.
(a) Do I just copy what you've written above between the no-wiki template, or do I put in my user name and the date somewhere in the template?
(b) Where, exactly, on the talk page do I put the GOCE template? Corinne (talk) 01:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
(c) Godsy, you asked me to add the GOCE template to two articles I've copyedited, but I don't know which two you are referring to. Corinne (talk) 01:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
West Virginian Would you mind reading what is written in this section, and then seeing if you can help me? I saw what you added to the talk page of the John Baker White article, but (a) I don't know what exactly I have to type, and (b) I don't know where I have to type it, and (c) I don't understand why what you wrote is different from the template Godsy wrote between the two parts of the no-wiki template, above. I'm totally confused. Corinne (talk) 01:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
No worries, I don't mind.
(a) You can simply copy the text above ({{GOCE|user={{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|date={{subst:date}}}}) and place it on the page assuming the following two statements are true: You are the one who performed the copyedit, and it is on the same day you finished the copyedit. You can manually enter the date if you're adding it later like this: {{GOCE|user={{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|date=August 1, 2015}}. This last example would be for if you were placing the template for another user on a date other than the date of the copyedit (manually filling out both parameters): {{GOCE|user=Godsy|date=January 5, 2015}}.
(b) Towards the top of the page in the "talk headers", an example of adding it is present on Talk:Adam's ale where I happened to add it at the time.
Hope that helps. If you link the pages you'd like it added to, I'd be happy to take care of it for you. Or if you'd like to try, I can check to make sure it looks good if you want.
Godsy(TALKCONT) 01:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Requesting a copyedit[edit]

Hey, Corrine. If you have the time, and wouldn't mind: the Noah's wine article that I've put together could use your copyediting skills. Adam's ale benefited, and I'm sure this one would as well. Best Regards,Godsy(TALKCONT) 00:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Godsy I'd be glad to take a look at it. Do you mind if I wait until tomorrow (Tuesday)? It's late now, and I'm a bit tired. Corinne (talk) 01:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Any time is good, it's not time sensitive for any reason.Godsy(TALKCONT) 01:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Auden review[edit]

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Indian National Congress[edit]

Baffle gab1978 Many thanks for your cordial and informative reply to my query on your talk page. I want you to know that I do notice (and correct) things like "an inquest was opened into the road accident" (I believe you would say it should be: "an inquest into the road accident was opened", or "an inquest regarding the road accident was opened"; if not, please correct me), and I try to remove unnecessary words and unnecessary exaggeration. I know there is always room for improvement, but I really want you to have confidence in my copyediting skills. If you ever have a few minutes free, would you look at the edits I made to Indian National Congress between 11 and 13 August 2015 and see what I did? I guess I was just skimming the surface then, and working to improve poor sentence structure, word choice and punctuation and trying to make the sentences and paragraphs more concise whereas much more work actually needed to be done, which you are doing now. I think if I don't know the subject matter really well, I refrain from making more substantive edits. Well, I did the best I could. As you probably saw on Rothorpe's talk page, I had started to go through the article a second time but found it too tedious, so I stopped. I don't often stop in the middle of a second or even first run-through of an article; that one was just too long. Corinne (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Some thoughts[edit]

Paine Ellsworth Hello, Paine – I'm so sorry you've had to go through what you've just had to endure. I just wanted to say that your friends will not be influenced by such negative criticisms. I read only the most recent exchanges, but I gather that it's something like this: since the name "Calumet" comes from only one part of the country, it shouldn't be used to name a pipe that is part of cultures from across the country or even farther. When I saw that argument, I thought that there are many things that have as their name, or part of their name, words that originally pertained only to one area but now are more widespread in use or appearance. I think you tried to make this argument, but if you could find four or five good examples of this, that might bolster your argument (if you want to spend any more time on it). Finally, I'm just curious about something. I noticed that you've changed your signature to Painius. I'm just wondering why. I thought "Paine Ellsworth" was rather distinctive. Corinne (talk) 00:44, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, Corinne, and good to hear from you, btw! I've had people twist my words before in order to get what they want, and that is why I try to stay out of such confrontations. Yes, "calumet" (one of my favorite words, I must admit) began as a simple word with simple and limited origin. Now, it has spread all over the NA continent. Look it up in any good encyclopedia, and the best-sourced origin is found. And that will continue to be true about this encyclopedia as well, no matter what results from my work on the talk page. "Painius" is a name I used a long time ago on Usenet. A recent email from an old friend sparked the memory, so I thought I'd start using it again. It has a nice ancient-Greek sound to it, don't you think? Thank you so much for your thoughts, and I truly hope that the lives of you and yours are filled with love and joy! – Painius  00:58, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Paine Ellsworth Thanks for your reply. I don't understand what you mean by "the best-sourced origin". Do you mean the origin of the name (such as "Calumet" in "Calumet pipe") that has the most and best sources to back it up? Regarding "Painius", I didn't think of Greek at all. It made me think of Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania. The last three letters, -ius, is a common ending to many Lithuanian surnames. If you go to the Lithuania article, and using the "Find" tool, put in "ius", and scroll down, you'll see that most of them are "Vilnius" (since it's the capital), but you'll also see some names of people. Also see the names in Lithuanians. Corinne (talk) 01:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
To me, the best-sourced origin is the one found in the most reliable sources. Other origins are in this case placed as younger historically than the Norman French word. What happens is that someone will name a street or a ship (A) after something they saw somewhere else (B), so it goes in the annals as B is the origin of A. A digger finds an earlier origin (C) for B, which then means that C is the ultimate origin of A, and so on. Someone years ago who was interested in etymology and the origins of terms demystified "calumet" and who knows what other terms that were shrouded in history and mystery. I was just a boy when I first looked it up in the Britannica, and I've never forgotten it. – Painius  01:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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