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Ultras of Eastern Himalayas[edit]

Hello. Regarding this edit. Agree of course that they are not by any stretch part of the Himalayas. The thing is, every one of the 1,515 ultra prominent peaks in the world was listed among the collection of ultras lists, but not now. So we should either put the peaks you have removed into another ultra list, or put them back where they were and rename the page to something that makes more sense. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 22:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted my edit. We could rename it List of Ultras in India, but then we'd have to include other ultras within the geographical boundaries of India as well. For some reason prominence of peaks doesn't figure a great deal in references dealing with mountains in India. So it'll be a lot more work. :) Amitrochates (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, true. But we are really only talking about four peaks. The prominences of those four are sourced here. Could we just move List of Ultras of the Eastern Himalayas to List of Ultras of the Eastern Himalayas and southern India? --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 22:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Or maybe move the four peaks into the list List of Ultras of Tibet, East Asia and neighbouring areas, which is already sort of a catch-all anyway. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 22:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Moving the four peaks into List of Ultras of Tibet, East Asia and neighbouring areas makes more sense to me. Eastern Himalayas and Southern India are seldom grouped together without including the other ranges between them. Maybe someday those four peaks will make their way into a List of Ultras in India article. For now including them in Ultras of Tibet, East Asia and neighbouring areas seems to be the simple and elegant solution. Amitrochates (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. I wouldn't mind taking a stab a creating List of Ultras in India in the near future. Another problem I see though would be the large overlap with the Himalayan ultra lists, which could only be avoided by dividing the ultras up by country, and that would be work. I will think about it. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 23:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, with our temporary solution. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 23:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I prefer to list mountains by range than by country - especially in the Himalaya where borders are disputed. Viewfinder (talk) 11:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
We don't necessarily have to choose between them. Listing mountains by range and country can go on side by side. Besides, the information on where exactly the borders are is out there even if it is hard to find. In fact, many lists, such as this one (pdf), have already done a decent job of figuring that out. Amitrochates (talk) 13:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, well then we could just create a page called List of most prominent mountain peaks of India where we would list, at minimum, all of India's ultras, plus however more we want of the next most prominence ranked peaks in India; or just only list India's ultras, much like the article List of most prominent mountain peaks of Alaska. I don't think we should tinker much more with the ultras lists. I like how, as a group, they accurately give a comprehensive list of all the world's ultras, without overlap.--RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 23:50, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
List of most prominent mountain peaks of India won't solve our problem. In fact, if listing the most prominent Indian peaks was the only issue here, we could just have added them as a separate section in List of mountains in India. The problem here is that the non-Himalayan Indian/Sri–Lankan peaks right now sit uncomfortably in List of Ultras of Tibet, East Asia and neighbouring areas. And I suspect there could be more ultras in South Asia (maybe Guru Shikhar for instance). Something like a List of non–Himalayan Ultras in South Asia would serve our purpose. It certainly wouldn't disturb or overlap with any of the existing lists. Of course, if there are only four non–Himalayan ultras in South Asia creating a separate article for them would be excessive. In that case, we might have to rename the Tibet list. Amitrochates (talk) 00:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yeah, you're right. I don't know what I was hoping to accomplish with that one. Indeed there seems to be no ideal fit for these four peaks.

And because they do not neatly fit, I think creating the separate ultra list article for them is a better idea than you give yourself credit for. We already have List of ultras of the Caribbean which contains only 7 peaks. I think it would be better than what we have now, and it wouldn't be much work at all. Title not bad, List of non–Himalayan Ultras in South Asia, but can it be improved? What do you think? --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 01:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, I forgot, there is overlap among the ultras lists: The Papua, Indonesia peaks on both List of Ultras of Malay Archipelago and List of Ultras of Oceania. So for the moment anyway, I drop my objection to creating overlap. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 01:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Nah, let's not create overlapping lists if we can help it. I can't think of a simpler title right now. Ideally, List of Ultras in South Asia would have been enough, but we have to add "non–Himalayan" to prevent an overlap. Amitrochates (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Agree. I pasted the basic contents into my sandbox here to see how it would look. You're free to use/add to/change any of it, if or when you would like to create the list (and I wouldn't mind creating it myself) but I suggest waiting to give VF and others a chance to weigh in before doing anything right now. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 02:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


Champion Round 48[edit]

India Quizmaster1.svg This user was the winner of Round 48 of the India Quiz.

You are the winner of round 48 of the India quiz along with Dwaipayan. Congratulations! --Suresh Purohit (Su_hit) (talk) 06:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar. Amitrochates (talk) 06:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

welcome[edit]

welcome Amitrochates!--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and that was quick. :) Portal:India/Quiz#Q_54.15 is still waiting for you. Amitrochates (talk) 23:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)