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Wiknic picnic[edit]

Hi, thanks for signing up at Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle/Wiknic/2015. The picnic is a potluck, so on the signup page please say what food or drink you are planning to bring. Thanks! --Pine 04:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Weather update for Wiknic[edit]

Hi, weather update for Wiknic: the forecast is now for 91 degrees and a high UV index. Peaceray is bringing icewater, but everyone do please take appropriate precautions for the weather, such as sunscreen, hats, sunglasses, and staying hydrated. There will be some shade in the trees. It's ok for those of us who are more temperature and/or sunlight sensitive to come but leave early, or skip the event if you think that you should; people who are very young, elderly, or have other health issues are more vulnerable to heat stroke. Health and safety first. Cheers, --Pine 15:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


Please stop changing Help:Template. It is very difficult to make much sense of what you have been writing. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear Redrose, I'm sorry. Maybe it should have been a proposal on the talk page. I am already in the process of rewriting it based on your earlier feedback in the edit summary. Thank you for all your patience. — CpiralCpiral 22:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Deprecated double image[edit]

I note the change to using a multiple image versus the "deprecated" double image at Jefferson Davis. Is there a technical reason why the double image is deprecated? If so, I'll stop using it. Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 08:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

No. You can keep using it. Here's the deal. Double image just calls multiple image. Double image has been deleted a while back, and all that's left in its place is its emulator: {{multiple image}}. Take a look at {{multiple image}} documentation and decide for yourself how you proceed. Don't resort to using other obsolete workarounds because of the old double image, but otherwise it should be technically fine to keep using. I changed one use of Double image out because it was using the obsolete <center>...</center> tags, probably because it had to when it was written. — CpiralCpiral 08:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I very much enjoy finding double images, rarely triple images, to convey nuance in historical articles and article sections. I have had some success among articles of interest, although they are cut to one image on some pages on the grounds they slow article loading. This has been my experience at United States, History of the United States, United States Constitution, History of the United States Constitution. The multiple image seems to be a more consistent answer for most uses...I always prefer centering the descriptions. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Supposedly centering is the default.
Intentional but subtle nuance is an author's just desert, so don't worry about performance. Besides, Lua modules like MI, unlike some older templates like DI, have no significant impact on performance. On the talk page you can mention the CPU time (below the edit box, expand the little triangle). E.g. U.S. will take 4.7 s every time. U.S. Constitution 2.3 s.— CpiralCpiral 17:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Are we allowed to make subpages on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farnell45 (talkcontribs) 16:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

You can, but unlike making an edit, the creation cannot easily be undone. Once you create the pages named "User:Farnell45" "User:Farnell45/sandbox" and then "User:Farnell45/sandbox/A", you'd have to ask an administrator to remove "/A" if you wanted to clean it out.
Be bold. Go ahead, click on User:Farnell45, put the wikitext {{welcome}}[[/sandbox]] there, and save the page. You will have transcluded the page named "Template:Welcome"; more to the point, you will have almost created a subpage on your user page. — CpiralCpiral 20:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Are we allowed to keep them or will they be deleted? Farrnell45Farnell45 20:24, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Widely tolerant, you can keep all you need for any fathomable excuse related to contributions. Occasionally user pages are patrolled. To delete your subpage, an administrator has to do it manually. They volunteer to do this, and they pass rigorous admissions. Put a delete because {{db}} template on an unwanted subpage, and just wait. — CpiralCpiral 21:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Did I do this right?

Yep. — CpiralCpiral 00:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Does any of this violate any of the rules here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farnell45 (talkcontribs) 17:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

There are no rules. In practice, we each rule when we revert an edit. Or we call out on the talk page for reasoning about local content. Both are social skills. That being said, I will advise you on the content of your user page, but on your talk page. — CpiralCpiral 18:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Help:What links here/double rdcheck[edit]

Hello, what is the purpose of this page that Wikipedia:Example of a double redirect fails to fulfill? -- A Certain White Cat chi? 19:37, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

About Help:What links here/double rdcheck and Help talk:What links here: these are meant to help teach, by working example/tutorial, What Links Here reports. It is incomplete because no exception was made for allowing a double redirect to even exist as an example/tutorial.
(It's the same concept as the working example/tutorial links at Help:Link#Subpage_links, where that section links to subpage one/two/three/four.)
Thanks for inquiring. Soon, I'll check wp:wlh (and subpages, and talk pages) for further discussion. — Cpiral§Cpiral 18:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
As you wish, my preference would be to have as little double redirects as possible (preferably none) since it taxes on bot time. It is a very small tax (1-2 seconds per entry) but they pile up with added entries, particularly on multiple wikis. I run my bot to prevent double redirects to be an issue on practically every WMF wiki so double redirects should not be a realistic issue anywhere aside from cases bot cannot fix (circular redirects & page protections). -- A Certain White Cat chi? 22:36, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello, any progress on this? -- A Certain White Cat chi? 16:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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Question about incategory search[edit]

Hi Cpiral, I see you wrote the help pages on Searching/Features. I will ask here, but if this is not the right place, please let me know where to ask instead. Is there any syntax that can be used in connection with incategory:[name of category] search so that instead of the whole [name of category], ANY category that contains in its name TERM_A AND TERM_B AND TERM_C can be called? I am not good in terminology, and know only basic RegEx for text editing, so here is one example: suppose I want to find all comedies of director Scorsese. Now, there is a very clear category for all Scorsese films, BUT Category:Comedy films, or even Category:American comedy films, have been broken down to so many subcategories as to make any attempt of incategory search futile. However all the subcategories we need to search, do conatin the term "comedy", or to filter narrower, both "American" AND "comedy". It would be great if one could enter: incategor:Films directed by Scorsese with incategory: "American" AND "comedy" (or some regex syntax to this effect). It would save the day for many problems of categorization we face in WP Films (and not only) and maybe for the public too. Thank you for your attention. Hoverfish Talk 23:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

H:S talk page. That's where the action should be. Also mw:help talk:cirrussearch.
To answer your Q, the search term you need is a namespace. Category is a wp:namespace. You manually enter the namespace you want to search (must be the first term), and append a colon : character to it. OTOH, incategory is a category-namespace-only, category, whole-title, search, (unlike intitle, which is a word search that only looks at titles' words.) You can automate this by setting your default "search domain" (i.e. namespace or namespaces) to "category".
I'm glad you're interested. — Cpiral§Cpiral 19:03, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Cpiral. I posted for further clarification in H:S. Hoverfish Talk 23:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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I've built a new tool...[edit] case you are interested.

It's called SearchSuite.

I hope you find it useful.     — The Transhumanist    23:59, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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I noticed an unanswered question of yours from way back...[edit]

See below...

Can AWB edit the list of titles on a search results page?[edit]

I hear hopeful things, but after looking through the manual, I don't see the functionality I'm looking for.

I want to edit every page on a MediaWiki search results page. Can AWB do that? If not, can it accept a list of titles I generate from such a search results page? And if so, will it auto-edit every page (after I press yes on a Show Changes screen)?

Sounds like AWB can only perform its own searches from a required database dump. Is that right? If so can its search engine compete with the new CirrusSearch regular expressions of the wikitext?

Finally, does AWB have any in-class competitors (AWB script? WikEd?) that can do these robo-edits from a list like AWB can somehow do, but perhaps without the database dump or IE? I'm not complaining, really, keep up the fine work. Thanks. — CpiralCpiral 06:34, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

You can copy and paste lists in to AWB's page list, you can also load a file the contains the list of articles. AWB can create a list from a database dump or by directly querying Wikipedia.- X201 (talk) 07:57, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Sounds hopeful. — CpiralCpiral 18:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Are you actually searching for pages on the web site, or are you searching for pages on If you gave us the URL of a sample search, we could do a better job of helping you. Chris the speller yack 02:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
insource:"ul a" prefix:user:cCpiralCpiral 18:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
@Cpiral: I give up. I tried using this in AWB as "Wikisearch (text)" after unchecking the menu item under "List" that says "Remove non-main space" and adjusting the article filter to allow "User:" namespace. No pages are found by AWB. I'm not totally surprised, as AWB's interface to CirrusSearch is a little weird. Have you tried using a forward slash (/) to surround the insource argument instead of double quotes? I didn't know that double quotes would work for that. Good luck! Chris the speller yack 02:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm up to speed on using mw:Help:CirrusSearch, but I'm just starting to understand what AWB is. Like toolserver stuff, it shells the database directly? I don't know what internal APIs MediaWiki provides AWB or toolserver, if any, so I can't deYtermine AWB's abilities. It would seem that AWB javaScript, would wrap the usual MediaWiki user interfaces passing edits to the edit box and searches to the search engine. — CpiralCpiral 05:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, you're ahead of me on using CirrusSearch. I had forgotten that "insource" comes in two flavors. Good luck! Chris the speller yack 13:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
@Cpiral: You may also want to look at WPCleaner. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:07, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. — CpiralCpiral 18:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

SearchSuite can help. It can show search results as page names only, one per line. It also can sort the result. And applicable to using AWB on the results, it can add wikiformatting for links, which makes the whole list ready to copy/paste into a wiki-editor.

So, to do what you wanted above, you'd install the SearchSuite script, do your search, click the menu items to the format desired, and copy/paste the results to a sandbox. Then use the "Links on page" feature of AWB's list maker to input the list from the sandbox into AWB.

I hope that helps.    — The Transhumanist   21:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

You are most helpful. I'm now using
$( function() {
	'use strict';
	if ( mw.config.get( 'wgCanonicalSpecialPageName' ) === 'Search' ) {
		$( '.mw-search-result-heading a' ).each( function() {
			$( this ).after( '<span class="searchedit"> [<a href="' + $( this ).attr( 'href' ) + '?action=edit">edit</a>]</span>' );
		} );

} );
to provide each search result with an edit link. — Cpiral§Cpiral 00:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

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