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Greek President's names

I thought the official standard used to be to render y as 'i'; but I checked and this was changed in 1997 to 'y' (ISO 843). Apologies. I reverted my last edit to yours. Sysin 16:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

About the byzantine battle tactics

Hi, i appreciated a lot your edits, i've replied to your question at the article talk page. --Philx 13:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi again i've replied on the article talk page, i understood some of your reason and observasion, so feel free to edit the article, I reckon that you have enough knowledge about the argoument to make good improvemetns. Cheers --Philx 20:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Greek and Cypriot media coverage

Hello Cplakidas,

I am writing a thesis on Croatia's candidacy to join the EU as seen by the various European media. As I see that you are a native Greek speaker interested in politics and history I was wondering if you would consider helping me. Needless to say, I don't speak Greek. However, I think it would be a shame if my thesis were to reflect only the views and topics covered in the countries such as Austria, Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands etc (in short, the countries whose languages I understand). Therefore, I would like to include a section on Greek and Cypriot media in my thesis. I am not only interested in Croatia's candidacy, but also in the wider subjects people associate with the EU. I left a more detailed list on my discussion page.

I will be more than grateful if you could leave me just a link to a Greek or Cypriot newspaper article that deals with any of the above subjects with a short summary such as for example: "XY is opposed to Turkey's membership because of the unresolved Cyprus issue" or "the membership of Croatia is bad because the constitutional treaty has been rejected in France and the Netherlands" or "party X is critical to Greece's membership in the eurozone because of..."

I will be sending this message to several other native Greek speakers. Also if you know a Wikipedian who could help me, please let me know. Of course, if you're not interested, please accept my apologies and feel free to erase the message. Thank you for your time. PGradStudent 10:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey on the use of Latinized/Greek names for Byzantine rulers

Hi. There is a survey on the names of Byzantine rulers at Talk:Constantine XI. Maybe you are interested in.--Panairjdde 18:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey on the use of Latinized/Greek names for Byzantine rulers Follow Up

Greetings. As a recent contributor to the survey on the names of Byzantine rulers at Talk:Constantine XI, you may be interested in the following. A mediation sought by Panairjdde resulted in the recommendation that "that proposal two from this page be implemented in the short term, until a consensus can be reached about proposal three". Accordingly, before resuming the editorial process, I am seeking feedback on whether option 2 or 3 of the former survey is more acceptable. Please state (or re-state) your opinion in the follow up survey on Talk:Constantine XI. Thank you for your time, Imladjov 14:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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Move request for Byzantine emperors

Hi. There is a move request for several Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty emperors at Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors. There is now also a motion to put into effect a moratorium on altering the present state of the articles, which have been brought into accordance with the ODB usage. We have been trying to notify users involved in the previous surveys and debates. Seems like we had accidentally overlooked you.--Imladjov 15:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece

This article is nominated for deletion. I thought you might be interested in expressing your opinion on the talk page of that article.66.233.19.170 04:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Since you are interested in flags and emblems I would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 20:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Names of Hellenic Navy Ships

Thank you for your many edits today on the Hellenic Navy. I see you have been adding RHS to ships of the Hellenic Navy from the period of the monarchy. My understanding and a review of the official website of the Hellenic Navy, http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/ show no Greek ships with a designation of HS or RHS or RHMS, instead, the ships are referred to by name with the type occasionally included. I believe this is true today for the Polemiko Naftiko, despite the number of websites in English that refer to Greek ships as HNS. If you have a definitive source, I would like to follow it, but absent that I will revert to the style previously used.Argos'Dad 21:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello! You are quite right, in Greek usage, only the type precedes the name, which is why I have not changed that in the Greek names. Initially I included the RHS only for consistency with the widespread use of that prefix in english websites, since this is an english encyclopedia, and websites are not only reference sources, but also trend-setters (indeed, the use of ΠΝ "name-of-ship" has begun to crop up in Greek texts too). But perhaps it would be better not to use it. P.S., as regards "definitive sources", NATO has indeed designated the "HS" as the official ship prefix for the HN. Regards, Cplakidas 00:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Battle of Greece article

Thanks for your contributions and your help on this article. I'm still new to wikipedia and I'm not sure what the process is to get this article peer reviewed or mentioned in the WikiProject History of Greece. I was hoping for your help. Again, thanks. Periklis* 10:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You can check out the Wikipedia:Peer review and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review pages, and add a reference to "Battle of Greece". For the moment there doesn't exist a separate peer review page for WPHOG, but you can add a request for help in the "Open tasks" section and the talk page. I already added the WPHOG template. BTW, Καλώς ήρθες! Regards, Cplakidas 13:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the source! I've actually been looking for that for some time. I'll incorporate it into the article. Periklis* 01:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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Ships of the Hellenic Navy

This category and Category:Hellenic Navy Ships are proposed for merging. I thought you might want to weigh in on the discussion Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 7.Argos'Dad 18:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Greece

The Greek wikipedia article on Tsolakoglou has some good facts and pictures. My Greek is not the best but I thought you would like to take a look. [1]Regards, Periklis* 05:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Absolom

I see you reverted my correction of the origin of the name 'Absolom in the Operation Gladio article. Is there a reason for this? Do you know of a person named Archbishop Absolom? Could you please provide a cite? Paul, in Saudi 16:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Never mind, you are right and I am wrong. Paul, in Saudi 16:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Please use edit summaries

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Greco-Italian War

Hi! i would like to mention that according to the article of Wikipedia about the Battle of Greece the Allies ( British forces) provided help to greece from November 1940 less than a month after the italian invasion. (British aid to Greece and the diplomatic background in the Battle of Greece). It is a fact which also has a citation. Quote : "RAF squadrons under Air Vice-Marshal John d'Albiac, sent to aid the small Royal Hellenic Air Force in November 1940"

i'm supprised that you wouldn't know this since you have obviously contributed to the Battle of Greece article.

i would appreciate if you revert the article to contain the comment which you have removed.

thank you

Eilikrina den mporw na katalabw giati den apodexese auto to sxolio?

thewreis oti meiwnwi thn ellhnikh nikh sthn prwth fash tou polemou estw H aplws den thewreis oti to gegonos ori oi Bretanoi esteilan aeroplana gia na boithisoun den einai Epembash twn symmaxwn?

(sygnwmh gia ta greeklish an thes sbhsta)

The comment I removed was: "However It can also be claimed that the Allied intervetion provided the Greek Army and the Greek people the confidence they needed in order to face the superior Italian Army with great success and to effectively resist the German invasion for more than two weeks."
I know of the RAF squadrons, as I'm the one who added the reference. But, honestly, 40 old aircraft were barely any help, were they? They were a token force, and also prohibited from operating from airfields north of Athens, for fear of provoking the Germans. Plus the Greeks often complained they weren't there when needed. I intend to include this in the article. But the reason I'm not accepting the comment is that it is pure conjecture. Who claims this? I've never seen any reference on d'Albiac's force providing the Greeks with "the confidence they needed". The way this statement is written it sounds as if Greece did not have confidence, while in reality the Italian invasion had already been stopped by the time the RAF intervened. The RAF and the British military mission were warmly welcomed, and were certainly of help, but let us not exaggerate their contribution (at least before the arrival of the Expeditionary Force in March 1941). As for the "effectiveness" of the joint resistance to the Germans, well, it may have been heroic, but certainly not coordinated, nor effective, as the Wehrmacht did conquer the country in two weeks with relatively low losses. I hope to have answered your questions. Feel however free to add to this important article, which is in sore need of expansion. Best regards and welcome to Wikipedia! Cplakidas 22:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

thnx for the welcoming to wikipedia despite the fact that i have been welcomed several times by bots & other users (as you can see i have dynamic conection)now let's see:

you said "Who claims this?" well i can answer to this just by saying who claims that "the intervention of the British Imperial forces did more harm than good" there is no citation and therefore i don't know why would this be accepted in the article....

you said "the Wehrmacht did conquer the country in two weeks with relatively low losses" yes indeed the German forces did conquer most of greece in less than two weeks however this time is much larger than the time they needed in order to conquer other countries such as Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia which were countries compareable to the greek state at the time.

i guess my real objection is to this statement "It can be claimed that the intervention of the British Imperial forces did more harm than good, giving Hitler an excuse to invade Greece and disorganising the Greek strategy. The force was not strong enough to stop the Germans. Perhaps the Allied forces could have been better used in North Africa, where their removal may have prevented the Allies from totally expelling the Axis from North Africa" rather than the removal of the comment "However It can also be claimed that the Allied intervetion provided the Greek Army and the Greek people the confidence they needed in order to face the superior Italian Army with great success and to effectively resist the German invasion for more than two weeks" how is it possible that the intervention of the Allies gave Hitler the excuse to invade greece since you say that it occured 4 months after the italian and the german invasion???

Why can't we accept that an intervention by the Allies made the Greeks MORE confident in the fight versus the Italian and German forces whereas we can accept that the same intervention gave Hitler the excuse he needed to invade Greece???

btw i'm a bit dissapointed that you chose to ignore the greeklish part of what i've written above...

Well, let's take your points one by one.
1. In the whole "who claims this" business, I have to point out that the section "Military insights" is not of the best parts of the article. It is unsourced and POV, but it does contain truths. The "It can be claimed that the intervention of the British Imperial forces did more harm than good" actually does have a basis, if you read the comments at the end of the Battle of Greece article, which is why I did not remove it. And, BTW, just because one unsourced statement has been retained - until someone fixes it, that is - does not mean we can include as many as we want.
2. Yes, the Germans needed some time to conquer Greece, but that is something where following points must be appreciated: i) it belongs to the Battle of Greece article, ii) the actual speed of the German operations was determined rather by terrain than Allied resistance (at no one point did the Allies check their advance more than 2 days) iii)the "effectiveness" of Allied resistance, is, as stated, very debatable. Furthermore, Czechoslovakia was not conquered in war, it was occupied, while Yugoslavia simply fell apart - there was no effective resistance to speak of - but this is not the issue here.
3. You said: "how is it possible that the intervention of the Allies gave Hitler the excuse to invade greece since you say that it occured 4 months after the italian and the german invasion". You do not pay attention to the chronological order: the Italian invasion occured in October, the British came in March, Hitler attacked in April. Hitler actually did use the British forces' arrival in Greece to justify his attack, in the letter of declaration of war delivered to Koryzis on April 6 (and, notably, not the arrival of the RAF planes in November). And, as I said before, yes, the statement is not perfect, but it contains some truth. It is not that the Allied intervention in March did not encourage the Greeks, but it was an intervention which did have nothing to do with the Albanian Front or with the Greek victories there. It is as simple as that. Their - valiant and gallant, without any doubt - contribution was during the Battle of Greece, and has been thoroughly expanded upon.
What exactly do you mean by "ignoring the greeklish part"? I gave you an answer by answering your arguments. Anyway, no, it does not belittle the Greek achievements, because it had little real impact on the actual operations. Yes, d'Albiac's force constituted intervention, but it was more of a token force than an actual decisive intervention in force which was implied by the deleted comment. The latter occured in March 1941, well after the Greek victories of the winter, and did not even play a role in the repulsion of the Italian Spring Offensive. As such, I repeat, it is irrelevant to the Greco-Italian War, except in so far as it determined the whole outcome of the Greek campaign. Regards, Cplakidas 15:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

so what you're basically saying is everything that "is unsourced and POV" should be removed by wikipedia unless some member thinks "it does contain truths"... ok gotchya i totally agree with your removal i definately don't agree with keeping the Hitler remark but i suppose there is no way of getting that out (without someone reverting it)

kk thnx bye

Why do you attribute me things I have not said and generalize the issue out of proportion? No, I did not say that "everything that is unsourced and POV" should be removed by wikipedia unless some member thinks it does contain truths...". I did not remove that particular statement because I believed it to have some basis, as seen in the Battle of Greece article. You are free to disagree and edit accordingly, as is anyone else. Your statement I removed because in my view it was completely groundless. There is a big difference. And, BTW, since this is all about one short statement, you still have not brought forth arguments to convince me that it was correct or came from a source or anything and should be allowed to stand on its own. Regards, Cplakidas 09:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Palace of Porphyrogenitus

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Walls of Constantinople external links

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Also, I am about to go and add the Ensign instead of the Jack to all of the Greek ships, per this discussion Template talk:Infobox Ship#Ensign vs. jack. I didn't want to surprise you. Filika, Argos'Dad 13:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Editing pages (May 2007)

Hi and thanks for your good words. Although we are both Greek and we could write in Greek, we'll communicate in English so everyone can follow. Thank you for your editing tips and I will have them in mind. However the only issue I think we shouldn't change in the Greek Armed Forces pages is the layout of the main articles, although I know (and you are right) that main articles exist in the templates.

The reason I have copied them to the main articles is that the eddited articles in the templates (and this goes for all three branches of the Armed Forces) were more of a summary and not full scale articles. The main pages seemed really empty and without any photos so i wanted to fill them with summaries and photos and the full length articles can be edited in the templates. Thanks again for your tips and keep up the good work too! --kompikos 19:20, 27 May 2007

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Sorry...

...but I provided several sources that say that prefecture of Illyricum existed at least in 324 (which is also confirmed on historical map in The Times History of Europe, Times Books, London, 2001), thus I doubt that your source is reliable one, so please do not revert this until you present valid confirmation of that information. PANONIAN 21:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, there are other sources that say that prefecture was established in 318, and I will quote such sources when I remember where I founded such info. Anyway, since there is clear disagreement about date of establishment in various sources, do you agree that we present info from all sources, your and mine? PANONIAN 16:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I really do not understand why you want to remove "See also" section from this article. WP:LAYOUT is nothing more but a suggestion (not obligation) and there are two very good reasons why see also section should be there: 1. if somebody search for related articles, "See also" section is a place where he will be able to find them in most easy way - he will spent much more his free time to find these links in text. 2. article is already short and we do not have to make it even more shorter. Therefore, I will revert this section back. PANONIAN 21:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Liberius (praetorian prefect), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Smee 02:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Michael Protospatharios

Why do you correct a quoted piece of text? Do you have a source which gives the Greek as you give it? It is almost a thousand years old, I would expect it to look different from either classical of modern norms of spelling and punctuation! Srnec 06:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Greek destroyer Vasilefs Georgios

I got the image here [2]. It is the one on the right. If it is wrong, let's correct it... Argos'Dad 17:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

in rechecking, I see your point! I'll replace it. Argos'Dad 17:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)