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Bilaval (thaat) moved to draftspace[edit]
An article you recently created, Bilaval (thaat), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: The article already has one reliable source. Feel free to add a suitable template, but move the article back into the main space. Bilaval (thaat) was also linked to at least one article and will be linked to many more via various infoboxes. This is an effort to spin off all the various thaats into dedicated articles. I will be doing so for all of them.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 07:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm afraid the automatic template did not copy over my main rationale for moving this article into draft, which was part of the summary. Quite simply, this is a verbatim copy of the section on this topic at the Thaat article. Until such time as you expand that content with new material there is no reason to keep this duplicate in the mainspace. It would've been better to have prepared this as a draft and moved into main space later. Feel free to do that and if at same time you can add additional referencing, so much the better. But please don't copy one section of one article to make a new page out of it without adding value with expanded content. Feel free to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: And again, the point of the article is to link individual thaats to mentions in the tens/hundreds of infoboxes for each raga. This is a work in progress. And value has been added in the form of a reference which thaat lacks. One reference is sufficient for what is currently a stub. The "copies" in the thaat article will be removed once all the individual articles have been created. Again, please move the draft back into mainspace. There is now a broken link pointing to it.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 09:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm afraid the automatic template did not copy over my main rationale for moving this article into draft, which was part of the summary. Quite simply, this is a verbatim copy of the section on this topic at the Thaat article. Until such time as you expand that content with new material there is no reason to keep this duplicate in the mainspace. It would've been better to have prepared this as a draft and moved into main space later. Feel free to do that and if at same time you can add additional referencing, so much the better. But please don't copy one section of one article to make a new page out of it without adding value with expanded content. Feel free to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Khamaj (thaat)[edit]
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A tag has been placed on Khamaj (thaat) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.searchgurbani.com/raags/thaat_khamaj. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
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- @Sphilbrick: As noted in the edit summary when the article was created, the content has been largely taken from Thaat and Khamaj. What makes you certain that this is a copyvio of searchgurbani.com and not the other way around? Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 13:17, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I misread the edit summary and thought you were referring to an external source. For future use please follow the recommended wording in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, it will help avoid confusion.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:04, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Reply[edit]
Hi, sorry for the delay, really busy in RL.
- The point of speedy deletion is that an article can be deleted without delay or discussion, which is what the SD warning tag says
- If a deletion is contested, I always look at the reasoning, but for most G11 deletions it's either "it's not promotion, we are just telling people about our company/product/band", or more commonly there is no coherent reason given
- The deletion was contested on the grounds that the subject was notable, but that's not an exemption from G11. If I say "Walmart/Heinz baked beans/Led Zeppelin is wonderful", that's still promotion, even though the topic is notable in each case. The only relevance of notability is that it means a NPOV version could be created.
- The other argument was that there is no benefit to anyone from the article, so it's not promotion. Again, if I say "Donald Trump is a genius", i don't gain financially or otherwise, still promo.
- The creator said "The contribution to this list, from variety of editors are also seen for many years." In fact, nearly all the contributions are from the article creator or a string of single-purpose unregistered accounts of unknown origin. The article appears to stayed under the radar for some years, with one reversion being the only evidence that an admin had seen it.
- The second edit to this page was a bot tagging for a copyright violation. The third was the creator removing that tag on the grounds that it was about stuff 200 years old. What the page is about is irrelevant to copyright violation, but the copied page seems to no longer exist, so I can't check for G12
- That leaves the question of whether G11 was appropriate, You said table is full of youtube links, something that spammers use to promote their content. There are also no references besides these links. These throw up red flags for reviewers. YouTube links are almost never suitable as references (in 15 years I've used it once) and always seek to promote their subject, not necessarily for financial gain, but as fan-stuff or similar.
- While I wouldn't claim infallibility, it seems to me that your approach of helping the creator is the way forward. I was going to offer the coding for the tables sans Youtube, but the main article seems to have that.
I hope that I've clarified my thinking for you. I don't necessarily expect you to agree, but it seems to me that your approach to this is exactly the way forward, especially as the page creator seems to directly edit few other articles Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:08, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Jimfbleak: Thank you for the detailed reply :) While I agree that the table and the article both need a lot of work and copyvio is a serious issue, I would have liked to have seen the speedy-deletion request denied simply because a cursory search would have revealed that the 18-century subject is notable, and as a composer, so is his (in this case, considerable) oeuvre. Notwithstanding the editor's lukewarm defence, IMHO, that should have been sufficient grounds to see if the article could be rescued/improved somehow or at worst, punt it to the slow queue. Assuming that this mirrors the deleted article, I don't see anything that suggests "unambiguous advertising" (or promotion). G11 appears to be wholly inappropriate and is both confusing and discouraging.
- FWIW, the creator of the deleted article is also the creator of over a 100 articles, many in this space. The creator of the table is someone else altogether. The Youtube links (which I've since deleted) were not being used as references but as examples of renditions of each piece. The lack of references is certainly an issue, but is being addressed now.
- Do you happen to remember what the copyvio was (or the address of the site)? I'm guessing that it could only be the intro and considering that it came from the composer's article, WP:REFLOOP could well be at play here. I will look into this some more. Thanks again.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 12:05, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- The first version of the article was the tables from the parent article plus a lead. The bot claimed copyright violation of this site, which appears to be defunct with its domain up for sale, so I have no idea if there was any merit in the bot's claim, but G12 wasn't invoked anyway. It's generally not a good thing for editors to remove copyright tags themselves, but in the absence of access to the relevant web page I don't know if the removal was justifiable in this case. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Jimfbleak: Thank you. The archive of the page does not load for me. I will look into further if it does. Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 12:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- The first version of the article was the tables from the parent article plus a lead. The bot claimed copyright violation of this site, which appears to be defunct with its domain up for sale, so I have no idea if there was any merit in the bot's claim, but G12 wasn't invoked anyway. It's generally not a good thing for editors to remove copyright tags themselves, but in the absence of access to the relevant web page I don't know if the removal was justifiable in this case. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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Span elements to give names to each of the portions of the huge table was useful to link from the individual rAgam pages (articles) to the Janya rAgams of that rAgam or its peer-rAgams. That was the usage. Though it is not intuitive, I am not sure what other method can be used for such wiki-linking to a sub-section of a table.
VasuVR (talk, contribs) 14:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- @VasuVR: Hi :) My bad. I guess there are a lot of semi-broken links out there now :/ I'll revert my edit shortly once I figure out if there's a solution for the template overload issue. FWIW, {{anchor}} or alternatively, adding the id to the table row is probably cleaner. BTW, that page really needs inline citations. Quite a few entries have also been mangled/vandalised. Cheers.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 14:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Problem with Template Svara[edit]
There was a problem with {{Svara}} at Hameer. I have restored the non-template version of that field to eliminate the error, until it’s fixed in the template.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 10:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- @JohnBlackburne: Fixed. Thanks for the note. Is there a page somewhere that tracks template errors?—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 11:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Category:Pages with script errors. Click on the 'article namespace' link at top for articles. Also the 'by date' link can be useful to track errors due to recent changes.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 11:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Help[edit]
Hi, in Allahabad article I reverted edits by one user only because I didn't see other unconstructive edits as I didn't look at the revision history. Thanks for reverting vandalism.
My question is how do you revert edits by many users in a single edit. I don't know how to revert many users' edit on a single click? Please help me. Thanks --RHcosm (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- @RHcosm: Look in Preferences -> Gadgets for Twinkle and other gadgets. They should ease many of these tasks for you. Have fun :)—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 08:51, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Allahabad to Prayagraj[edit]
Hey,
I have observed that you keep on reverting back the name to Allahabad from now official name "Prayag raj". Could you explain as to why? Legally the names of cities are changed by state legislatures and decision was made on 16th October and it has now been made official yesterday I.e. 18th November by a gazette notification. Please have an idea and then only do something. P.s - I am a lawyer. Vyomtripathi (talk) 09:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Vyomtripathi: You should post such messages on the article's talk page rather than here. That's also where you can flash your credentials to a much wider audience.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 09:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Apologies[edit]
I feel I should apologize for not supporting your large and correct oppose on Jaggi Vasudev per https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/jaggi-vasudevs-interaction-with-ftii-pune-students-cancelled-5363636/ and 3rd party Indian news sources we do not give WP:HONORIFIC names to dead gurus, let alone living ones. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- @In ictu oculi: Thank you. Let's see what happens with the move. I will very likely challenge it. The discussion that should have taken place on the article's talk page is now apparently taking place on Born2cycle's talk page.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 10:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- @In ictu oculi: I've reverted my close and associated move and relisted the RM discussion. Give it your best shot. --В²C ☎ 18:21, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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We learn everyday[edit]
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- Thanks for the drink :)—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 13:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Statue of Unity[edit]
Sorry to leave that in your lap, but I am busy off-wiki. Something smells not right over there, as you may also have noticed. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak: No worries. Unfortunately, many Indian articles that are political or religious in nature are subject to this "scrutiny". Incidentally, here's a video that shows the statue's viewing gallery. I believe that the vertical slits at chest level that you can see in some of the long shots are it. Cheers.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 09:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
- Understood about the "scrutiny".
- Youtube is blocked here in China, but please do add that fact about the location of the gallery to the article if you wish. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak: I've uploaded a couple of screenshots from the video here. I hope this link is accessible.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 21:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, yes. I can see it. (I think that link to imgur means there is now a link to a copyvio image at Wikipedia and so not permitted.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak: I've uploaded a couple of screenshots from the video here. I hope this link is accessible.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 21:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)