User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 28

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Featured Content

Crisco, do you mind if I try to copyedit your Featured Content column to make it a bit tighter, which is the style used in Featured Articles? It's not terribly important, your work is fine, but I'd like to impress the academics and professionals who read the Signpost, if possible. No point in not getting everyone on board (to continue your metaphor from this week's column), if we can. - Dank (push to talk) 12:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Go right ahead :-) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm guessing the only thing I'm doing that's going to be a little contentious (outside FAC!) is moving the articles around so that they're next to their images ... and then removing the captions that say "featured article", since it's apparent from the text right next to them. Of course, different people use different font sizes, but I've tried to set up the placement so that the text will be close to its picture for all the most common font sizes. (Most weeks it will be easier to get a placement that works for everyone; this week, the first image is particularly long, so it's hard to place the text for the next two pictures.) Another thing is a judgment call; feel free to revert this, but "X is a Y; a new featured picture" doesn't put the "featured picture" phrase next to the thing that's a featured picture, so I've tried switching that around. - Dank (push to talk) 18:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Looks good. BTW, if you want an interesting read try and check out Sudirman (no need to copyedit that one, but I think you'll find it something different) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
        • It would be great to have a FA on an Indonesian general. - Dank (push to talk) 10:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
          • I agree. I have another one a bit further along, although sadly not as many sources available for him. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:25, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG here is a special thx from me to u its for all your hard work and if u dont mind could u please tell me how to vote or do whateva it is that u are doing and message me when u get this once again thx and peace outtttttttttttttttttttt wwecenarules pipebbomb yiiipppeeeee Wwecenarules2 (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Paul McCartney FAC

The Paul McCartney article has now been thoroughly copyedited top-to-bottom by numerous editors including User:Lfstevens, a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. If you can find the time in your busy schedule, please consider stopping by and taking a look, and hopefully, !voting. ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 04:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I'll see. That is a huge article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Symphonic Songs DYK

I have a source for the instrumentation and will add it as soon as I am not on mobile. Thanks for the review! Sycamore (talk) 14:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Reference has been added to the article and a comment to Template:Did you know nominations/Symphonic Songs for Band. Sycamore (talk) 05:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

PR request

Hello Crisco, normally I wouldn't request for peer reviews but would you mind having a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arsène Wenger/archive2, which I feel is close to FAC. My main concern is with prose, so perhaps if you have the time to read it from top to bottom and make suggestions, I would appreciate that greatly, otherwise apologies for wasting your time. – Lemonade51 (talk) 14:53, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I gave a couple comments, but I'm not into football so I can't give you much more than that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, any comments is better than none. Lemonade51 (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ganjuran Church

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bambang Widjojanto

Orlady (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Theodore Markelis

You recently deleted Theodore Markelis however the page was moved during the discussion and the Theo Markelis article needs to also be deleted. Its a duplicate.Simione001 (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. K. Shrestha

Hi, I noticed you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. K. Shrestha, part way through the discussion, a contributor (not the nom) attempted to bundle S.K. Shrestha to the deletion nomination. Your close didn't specify if you had determined consensus in regards to the bundled page, it wasn't deleted and has an outstanding AfD tag on it. I'm not sure how think it would be best to deal with it but as the closer I think its your call. Monty845 04:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lady Starlight (DJ)

Hello. I note that you closed this AfD as Keep after just two !votes with that rationale - one of which listed WP:JUSTAPOLICY and an attack on the nominator and the second of which claimed that the subject "played a powerful role in influencing and building the career of a highly notable entertainer", which is not a requisite for WP:NPEOPLE, WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG and fails WP:INHERITED. This was coupled by a comment from an admin who expressed serious concerns about the notability of this article. The article has also been previously deleted as non-notable and the current incarnation cites unreliable blogs and Wikipedia itself as its sources. Are you sure that this was the right decision? SplashScreen (talk) 08:16, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • The references provided by The Devil's Advocate give enough weight to his/her !vote, while the admin's comment you describe as "serious concerns" were prefaced with "fairly well known", and a link to a pretty good source; i.e., not something I'd consider "serious concerns". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • But those references are three trivial mentions in "unofficial biographies" of Lady Gaga which, as well as violating WP:BLP, focus solely on the subject's friendship and do not address the concerns raised in the opening nomination[1][2][3]. Being "well known" is also not a reason to keep an article per WP:LOCALFAME. I am slightly concerned that you have based your decision to close this AfD on one questionable !vote and one reliable source, when Wikipedia requires WP:CONSENSUS and non-trivial coverage from multiple, verifiable, reliable or independent sources to guarantee inclusion. SplashScreen (talk) 08:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • So in other words, with less shouting, you wish for it to be relisted? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, but I'd also prefer it if you'd address the concerns I'd raised. It's still not very clear why you've decided to close the debate as Keep. And who is WP:SHOUTING? SplashScreen (talk) 08:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Randomly bolding words counts as shouting on this page. I have relisted the article and given you my reasoning. There are two keep !votes and one comment, btw, not one and one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • So you're still not going to address my concerns? SplashScreen (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I consider my explanation clear enough. Your nomination was based on a lack of reliable, independent sources. Those unofficial biographies, although not approved by Gaga, fell under that. The Yahoo! source was also a factor, despite the user not !voting, as I already explained. I'd rather you not misrepresent the situation, which you have done twice in this thread alone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 July 2012

The Dance Lesson DYK - fixed up - I hope!

Hi - I did a complete and total overhaul of this article - had to throw out almost everything (I can't believe how many basic errors/inconsistencies were in there) and start over again. Anyway, if you want to revisit the DYK nom, do let me know what you think. All best, Mabalu (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thought I did that already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
You had - I only saw you'd done so after I'd finished the final touches to the article. Thank you! Mabalu (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Same wavelength, I guess. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gatari Air Service

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Ortrun Enderlein DYK nomination

Hi: I've put back the reference on the hook point and covered the bare URL again. A translation of the key part of the German source is there in the screed I have wound up writing at the nomination page. Up to you (or anyone else who reviews it) whether it's acceptable, but I suggested the alternate hook because there is indeed no data on whether she was first - of either sex - to receive the gold medal in luge; only that she was the first woman to receive the gold medal in that sport. The article creator has suggested a smaller modification of the original hook but I thought that tended to diminish her achievement. Anyway, those issues are why it needs a reconsideration of the referencing - including a judgement of whether the German ref. needs to stay on that point. (Apparently the article creator would rather not use a German ref for the hook fact.) Yngvadottir (talk) 03:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farhi_Saeed_bin_Mohammed's talk page. --DBigXray 13:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

  •  Done You're right, I misread. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi, could you give me a copy of the article you deleted, so I can see if I can recreate it with sufficient sourcing? Thanks (: BeCritical 21:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks BeCritical 01:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chrisye discography

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for deleting the useless spam pages that I tagged, it was very helpful, TheChampionMan1234 (talk) 03:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

So it was sooner rather than later...

Silly literary --Merbabu (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

why not. Blocks apply to editors, not accounts right? :) --Merbabu (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Spurious 'Comparison of device tracking software' article

Created (2010) to promote author’s product.  Continues to promote it over competitors’.  See, e.g., row 10, cols. 3, 4, 8.  Recommending speedy deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dervorguilla (talkcontribs) 07:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • That is not speedyable promotion. As noted in my summary, feel free to go to AFD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Zuster Theresia

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Haha, I saw this and knew it had to be you. I'm sitting at a table full of Dutchies; they should have written this. Good work Crisco! Drmies (talk) 20:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought we didn't indef block ip's as you did with this user here. See this policy. Hope you don't think I'm being rude! Cheers.--Chip123456 (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • you're right. Changed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

relisted article for Tonga National Tag Team

Hi Crisco,

Not many concensus on the page, and I dont think Those that have commented on deleting have not provided any good reason for deletion other than not notable. Even in the delection process it strongly suggests to consider other editing advice rather than delection. I have responded to their vote and also to that of the merge suggestion. Can we please have some closure. How can we do this, I have read and understood the policy and guidlines covering Notability. This article does not warrant delection.

I apologise if I was not meant to ask you - I thought you being independant of our history in this article you could help request a senior admin or editor to preside or assist in the closing decision.

Thank you for your time. Sipooti ☻Ÿ 21:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talkcontribs)

  • I haven't the slightest understanding of the subject area, so I'm not going to get involved further than relisting the debate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


your question sort of raises many issues... perhaps i should try to keep reply simple - some eccentricity is to be encouraged... something odd mixed in with predictable SD level understanding of the planet and its foibles... in other words mixed I would say.. SatuSuro 12:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thing is, we'll never get the portal featured again if the selected articles/biographies aren't of good quality — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
    • waduh! ah ok in that sense... GA and FAs (which happen to be yours :) ??? ) are what is needed then? SatuSuro 13:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Some of them (well, half the GAs in the project have me linked somewhere...). I'm thinking about 20 and 20. Mind you, lots of my contributions won't make it in (slowly populating Category:Films of the Dutch East Indies) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
        • fiddled with the categories... i keep thinking of DEI (NEI) as a former country... best i get off for the night i suspect.. SatuSuro 14:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
actually (hmm a bit like waduh) do you know if Indonesian (C) laws fit with australian? I have publications printed in Indonesia from pre 1955 in my possession, are they in the Indonesian sense PublicDomain yet? if you dont know - any clues how to check Indonesian (C) issues.. as I would like to copy and upload to commons if they are indeed kosher as not enforceable (c) items - cheers SatuSuro 10:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
answer to my own question - clear as mud of course SatuSuro 12:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The photographs up to 1961 are public domain in Indonesia and the United States so far as there is not copyright notice on the publication. Photographs from 1962 to 1971 are PD in the US, but not Indonesia. Text and other stuff like that is, as a general rule, not. I could go into the actual laws, but as you say... waduh. There's a lot to cover.
The good news is Commons only cares about copyright in the country of origin and in the US, so Aussie laws would have no effect. As Australia applies the Rule of the shorter term, I guess any photographs originally published in Indonesia before 1961 is PD in Australia — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Ta for that SatuSuro 13:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Small clarification above (in Australia) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Couple Things

As the subject suggests, there are a couple of things I'd like to mention. Firstly, I hope you do not mind that I incorporated some aspects of your Navigation Bar into my own. Second, I hope you do not mind that I took a liking to your "slap me with a trout" icon and added to my user page as well. Third, I'm fairly new to wikipedia, though I have done some editing on wikias, and I saw that you're looking for users to adopt. I was wondering if you could help me out with getting used to the ins and outs of wikipedia. Thanks. --~ScholarlyBreeze~ 20:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Feel free to use the navbar / trout icon (just read WP:TROUT first). If you have any questions I'll be glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! I happened to have read that as I was adding to my user page. I'm sure I'll develop questions as time goes on, so thanks for the offer. --~ScholarlyBreeze~ 16:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

have you got anything on...

Kauman mosque in Yk? Nyai ahmad dahlan has a pathetic little strip of gravel behind it and I cannot find m photos... also i reckon that the palace mosques should have a place in - watcha think? SatuSuro 02:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

  • That's Masjid Agung, right? It should certainly be on the list, and if I look for sources I can probably find them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
west side of alun alun south of sanabudaya bernama kauman - the one the reformists refuse to follow the direction line to mecca as placed by the palace officials - i am sure i have sources as well, somewhere.... SatuSuro 02:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
also in Suharto - 5.1 and 6.1 look somewhat problematic - not just undue but like something is smelly - ed looks like a plugger SPA for a way of looking at things... - is it necessary to repeat the fact some thing he was on the take? maybe go find and ask tommy :) imho SatuSuro 02:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Ah. What's 6.1? Five one seems due, as it was a major investigation after his downfall (but yeah, Tommy was showing up his father) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
sorry i was looking at the version of sections of suharto article, no big deal... - inneresting - I would say for tommys posterity sake an art about Syarifuddin Kartasasmita, SH. would be well worth a place in wikipedia - he is in the same country like Udin (Bantul) SatuSuro 03:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Syarifuddin Kartasasmita definitely needs an article, as a Supreme Court justice at the least. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Krystal Weir

Can you come back and finish review of Template:Did you know nominations/Krystal Weir? :) --LauraHale (talk) 21:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Abraham Samad

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nirwan Dewanto

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Indonesian Paralympians?

Any chance you or any of the other regular Indonesian contributors can create articles about Indonesian Paralympians in advance of the Games for DYK? Would like to see more than Australia and GB. --LauraHale (talk) 04:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

    • There are only six of them so it is much easier than the about 79 I'm working with. :) It is mostly an issue of getting the names of those six. :) And going from there. :D --LauraHale (talk)
      • K, I'll try and give it a shot. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
        • Awesome. :D If you find you need help, let me know. :D (Tomorrow's plans are DYK reviewing. Weeeee...) --LauraHale (talk) 05:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
          • Fun. I've got a lot of major content revisions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
              • Stuff at FAC and GAN? Do you want that or my 78 DYKs? :D --LauraHale (talk) 05:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
                • FAC, GAN, FLC, FPor, and A-class. (and creating stuff, of course :-)) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
                    • That's beyond insane. Also, beyond insane. You appear to do more than me and that always feels insane. --LauraHale (talk) 08:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
                      • It's not really that much. With Indonesia topics an FA or GA nomination is mostly a waiting game. The portal is at peer review, so nothing too crazy yet. Besides, I'm not the one creating 30 articles in a week Face-smile.svg — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
                        • And don't forget about regular peer review :) I've left some more comments about the Bishop, I think the article is in pretty good shape for the most part, just a few prose wrinkles to iron out. But Laura is right, it's really impressive how much content work you do around here, and now admining as well! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
                          • Alright, I'll check it out. After dealing with my watchlist I have about 82 files to work through and take the free images, then I'll look at those Paralympians. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Pakistan Zindabad

I was wondering whether you'd consider reviewing this article. It needs an independent and experienced reviewer, and I've asked both LauraHale (who said no) and (two days ago) Orlady to consider taking it on, with no luck. If you can, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Let me prep my mop and escape shuttle. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Done for now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Thanks. You're a brave man. I'm glad the cries of "Pakistan Zindabad" didn't lead you to blow up your escape route. :-) By the way, if I see any other old, stalled, knotty DYK reviews, should I send them your way? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, I can just act like a stringy witch if things get too bad. Sure, I'll take up some older ones (but not Barrack Obama on Twitter, that's a no-win situation right there) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I know what you mean about that one. I get the feeling it's just going to sit there, since no one wants to touch it. How about one or more from these: Gerard Lyons on June 29, Eucalyptus rhodantha and Rudy Kurniawan (which has survived AfD) on July 3, and/or Barbeque Nation from July 5? Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll take the eucalyptus now, maybe another later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Ortrun Enderlein has resurfaced. I've listed two new ALTs based on GOP's last one (but didn't use the odd linking and bolding). Up to you regarding the sourcing; the NYT's crappy (doesn't say what the page is showing), but AGF on Yngvadottir's, I suppose, though her explanation seems to indicate that it doesn't support first-ever (even before the men), which is why I struck the original hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • You're a brave man for getting involved with that one! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Or have a death wish. Hopefully not the last one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eulis Atjih

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Giri Tunggal Heroes' Cemetery

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Holy Rosary Cathedral (Semarang)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

London Grand Prix (formula 1)

Hi Crisco 1492. You recently deleted London Grand Prix (formula 1) (and its talk page) as a result of this deletion discussion. However, while the discussion was in progress, the article was moved to London Grand Prix (Formula One), so could you please delete that article (and its talk page) as well? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Noel Rivera AfD

You've closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noel Rivera as "redirect to Noel Rivera" rather than to Jason Mraz, which obviously doesn't make much sense. I've fixed it on the actual page but it'd be good if you could take a look at the AfD and revise the closing statement. Thanks. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 03:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

London Grand Prix 1

Why was the article deleted it was a project page. It can be fixed and there are fans that would like to fix that page. Deleting pages for no reason not fair . OldSnake1911 (talk) 05:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)OldSnake1911OldSnake1911 (talk) 05:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Alang-Alang (film)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Another unresponsive ip at batam and on the Asian tv channels. Can we semi protect this? :) cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. What is weird is the broad nature of the revert. A lot of things were changed by Kwami and myself, yet this anon insists on reverting the lot. Surely they didn't object to all of it? Or was it the fact that I removed the chinese text? Anyway, thanks again. --Merbabu (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • There's a bunch of editors dumping things willy-nilly. Acha Septriasa had a Korean name for some two years. *huh* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
"huh" indeed. --Merbabu (talk) 11:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Following up on Plate armour

Following up on Plate armour, It was clever to check the site registration date (I'll have to add that approach to my toolbox). I like how you added the note to the talk page. However, it occurs to me that while that site is new in Dec 2007, it is not inconceivable that they had material on another site, and decided to move to their own. I think it is worth an email to the websmaster, suggesting that either they research the history of their material, and if it predates ours, we will promise to clean ours up, but if their material was copied in part from WP, that's fine, but would they be so kind as to add the attribution notes? If you would like to email them ( go for it, if not, I will, or tell me if you think I am missing something (for example, you have other reasons to know the material was new to their page in 2007.)

Thanks for the nice work, hope you will do more. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Based on the page history at plate armour, it looks like it was increased bit-by-bit (no text dumps or anything), but I'll drop an email later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Could you merge and help restore the history on Ferdinand Albert II, Duke of Brunswick? Also can you help me delete Henry I, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen and Henry II, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen so Henry the Admirable, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen and Henry de Graecia, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen can be move to those titles. Thank you.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Is looking good, I might have a few more comments eventually, but that's all for now. The paragraph that I was thinking about when I mentioned neutrality is the second of Post-revolution, the first three sentences anyway. And maybe the first sentence of Legacy. I'm not sure they're non-neutral though, just keep that in mind if you read through them again. On another topic, do you think David Gonzales (Gay Minister/Pastor) qualifies for A7? I BLProd'd it but I think it might be a speedy candidate. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Considering he was essentially continuing he pre-war work, I don't think it's too bad. Changed a bit. The legacy sentence is pretty much what it says directly in the source, and Prior is writing as a more-or-less objective foreign observer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Blocking myself would be a faster way to do the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Wow, where did you get all those? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Library :-D Aside from something like 20 images of Sukarno and his family, I've gotten free images of numerous people we didn't have free images of. The public domain status is weird, but sold. Two hours at the library results in close to 100 usable images... just have to format them and whatnot. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Pretty impressive, sounds like a lot of work. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


Could be Harris.--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • That's it! That was good coffee. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
    • It's the brand that we tend to have here (although not the blend). It's quite popular, although I am heading back to Canada/Mongolia, so I will be toting cans of Tim Hortons half way around the world again. --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Other good coffee... and muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cheaper. Enjoy your travels! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Endhita

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 July 2012

deletion of poljot strela article

Why was the poljot strela article deleted. It was nominated for lack of importance or significance, and in the talk page I replied that while wikipedia doesn't seem to define how to judge the importance or significance of the subject of an article, that the poljot strela is significant, as it played a role in the soviet space program, it was used by their military, and it is popular with watch hobbyists for various reasons. The page appears to have been deleted with no discussion. Why was it deleted, and how is the importance or significance of the subject of an article judged?TeeTylerToe (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • The article needs to make a credible claim of importance, which is why it was tagged. It was a borderline case and as such I will be glad to restore it for you, but I strongly suggest working in your user space to add reliable sources that show the subject's notability. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
It has 6 secondary sources. That appears to meet wikipedia's notability requirements overwhelmingly.TeeTylerToe (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • At least one of those was a blog. That's secondary, but not reliable — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

De Hirsh

I note you posted a suggestion at the top of my De Hirsh Margules page. Is it normal to post suggestions in a way that damages the appearance of the page?

Also, I do have many non-link citations. Some of the citations are to biographies and other text materials that only appear in web format. There are also places where I have used both a text citation and a link. I will review my citations to see what can be done better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianLesher (talkcontribs) 13:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Removed the double post. Those tags are to notify readers and editors that an article may have a problem, such as unformatted web references. I put it there to facilitate the use of a tool we have for filling those in, and have removed it now. You may be interested in Wikipedia:Template messages, which explains the use of these.
Also, it should be noted that nobody owns articles, they belong to the community. For example, if there were an issue with a featured article, like a typo in Courageous class battlecruiser, you could fix it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand that I don't own the page, though I guess at this point I nonetheless have some pride of authorship since I wrote what is currently there, with the exception of some minor edits. Thank you for showing me the proper way to document fair use of photographs. The page looks much better with the portrait at the top. I note that the bot used for fixing citations itself makes numerous mistakes, some of which I fixed. AdrianLesher (talk) 19:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Yeah, it's not perfect but it gives a rough idea of how to format the citations. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on DYK prep area issue

Hi. As an active participant in DYK discussion, if you have a minute, can you drop by Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Number of Olympic hooks per day? and offer an opinion on how to address this? I'd rather get it dealt with sooner rather than later as I feel like the sheer volume will require a discussion as all people involved in building prep areas will need to be aware of whatever decision is reached. --LauraHale (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

es:Masacre de Batavia

Thanks for the words, sure I hope so! Right now, we are in the midst of a translation contest. But once it's over, I'm planning to nominate the article to FA. Best Regards, Andreasm just talk to me 02:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I figured as much, looks like a worthy contest. Shame my dual proficiency is only English/Indonesian. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sino-Indian War

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List of U.S. cities with large Filipino American populations

I have merged all the verified content to Demographics of Filipino Americans, see change here. The only content supported by a RS that was not added was from this editorial article, as it talked about old immigration rates. The specific sentence is:

Its geographic confines contain as many as 275,000 Filipinos (2000 Census) and receives an annual amount of 4,000 new Filipino immigrants.

New content regarding the 2010 population of Filipino Americans in Hawaii is already included in the target article, and in an article that is specifically about Filipinos in Hawaii.

I have left a redirect in its place, in case there are other articles which contain a wikilink to the article that was subject to the AfD.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I'll put a template on the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Please Userfy Bill McNutt II to my sandbox

Please move the article, history and talk for the just deleted Bill McNutt II article to my sandbox at User:Doctree/sandbox/Bill McNutt. I still have the article open in another browser window but don't want the article talk and history separated by pasting it to my userspace. I was doing a massive edit to try to save the article. I found some reliable sources from before Mr. McNutt's death to establish notability as well as more details to expand the article somewhat. My apology for not making some incremental edits to show improvement before you had to act on the WP:AfD. I was researching sources, adding and populating a {{person}} infobox, adding citations in both a browser window and text editor. I failed to save anything before the deletion. I discovered that I was too late when I tried to save my edits.

If you choose to not userfy the deleted article to my space, please know that I intend to create a new article about Mr. McNutt with proper inline citations to reliable sources.

Please answer here on your talk (no need for a talkback). I'll watch your talk for a bit. Thanks, DocTree (talk) 03:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

  •  Done I prefer preservation, if it's well-referenced. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you. My work schedule allows little time for editing. Restoring the original article saves time. I copied my work to a text file. In the next few weeks, I will revise this article and Collin Street Bakery. The man and his company are closely tied. Thanks again, DocTree (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • If it reaches 5x be sure to give DYK a call! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Feedback on Deleted Page

I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and the policies, guidelines and specific coding are all pretty overwhelming to me. I created the page Josh Ruxin which you deleted for copyright violation. Even though I had permission from Josh, and the organization that posted the info, I understand why it was flagged. I recreated the page without the exact content from the website -- would you be able to provide feedback on my revisions? Any guidance is appreciated as I don't know how many more online forums I can dig through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryLRobbins (talkcontribs) 12:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

  • A couple quick comments:


Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robby The Penguin (talk) (contribs) 19:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Martin Krugman

The merger is done you can delete the article.--Vic49 (talk) 21:43, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Possible other articles that might need protected

I noticed that you protected some articles such as MNC International against the IP editor from the 180.241/251. I have been trying to revert some of their edits and appreciate the article protections that have recently popped up. Here are some other articles that might need protected: NTV7 and Singapore Cable Vision that should both be kept as redirects, HBO Asia, Sensasi, VV Drama, TV Alhijrah, RTB1, National Geographic Channel (Asia) and MAX Asia. I also noticed that now that some of their favorite articles are protected they are also starting to hit film articles, building articles and soccer/football broadcasting rights, the only one so far that has been hit more than once is 1998 FIFA World Cup broadcasting rights. I do not know if it is possible to block the entire range, since it could be quite large but it is starting to look necessary. Aspects (talk) 05:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nurnaningsih

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK review for Setyo Budi Hartanto

Hi Crisco, I've reviewed your DYK nom and have made a couple of minor points for your attention. Cheers, Nikthestoned 11:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Mammalian Species

As the consensus was merge, do you suppose it would be just as easy to restore the old version to the pre-split, and then prod/speedily delete (author's request) the split article(s)? Ncboy2010 (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

  • If there has been no major revamping, perhaps. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that would work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ganting Grand Mosque

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Clarence 13X

Hi Crisco, Clarence 13X is currently a featured article candidate if you'd be interested in reviewing it again. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Be glad to... soon as my guests from out of town leave. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Alright, take your time then--real life comes first. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


as I have been leaving ignored warnings on the user page, and have left a comment re full context at ANI, I now sit and watch tv instead... blood gore and murder is far more entertaining... SatuSuro 12:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh, there'll be enough at ANI. Sorry, really busy today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Mammoth Records

I looked at your cleaning of the Mammoth Records article (at CP, where you asked for a review). Bottom line, looks good, although my review was not in depth. I was briefly concerned (seems to be a theme) when I saw that the Mammoth Records Logo had been removed, and I see it in the current version, I wondered if the cleaning accidentally restored it, but the one removed was a jpg and the current one is a gif, so different files. Thanks for the help.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. When I have more free time I'll try and do more. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Chinese Indonesians

I'm sorry, I did not mean to prompt the withdrawal. The books I saw were all available on Google Books preview. You could probably access them, and strike the withdrawal, if you are in the US or another country that it's previewable in..--Wehwalt (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • If there are issues with the online sources, there are liable to be issues with the offline sources. I wouldn't feel comfortable with something like that attached to my name (as noted in the nom, I was bringing another editor's work to FAC) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, and I agree.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
While I understand how this came out, I hope you find a way and time to fix it. It's a very interesting article. PumpkinSky talk 16:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to see this, that's got to be pretty frustrating. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks guys. I'll have to wait until I can verify the offline refs as well, since AGF only goes so far at FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Njai Dasima

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, back in 2007 when I started the List of Indonesian films I've never have guessed that a 1929 Indonesian movie could have such a quality article!! You are an incredibly valuable wikipedian Cristo, its quite something to see such quality articles on old Indonesian novels and movies. I love your work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks Dr. B! I've been filling in a couple holes; shame some of the books are hard to find. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

John Rossant

That article is worse than (Redacted). (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

John Oppliger


I noticed that you deleted John Oppliger before redirecting the page to AnimeNation. I would like to request that the history of the John Oppliger page and associated talk page be undeleted while leaving the redirect in place. I don't see any compelling reason why the history of the page needed to be deleted. Having the history of the page in place could be useful if anyone wants to merge any content from it, or if more sources that could support an article on him become available. Thanks. Calathan (talk) 01:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Calathan (talk) 01:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Resia Boroboedoer

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Please Look

TheTimesAreAChanging removed this..

On June 26, 1986, the Sandinista government temporarily suspended the publication of La Prensa citing an oped in the Washington Post by La Prensa editor Jaime Chamorro which sought to rebut the arguments of members of Congress who were opposed to the $100 milion in Contra aid. Chamorro also claimed that there were 10,000 political prisoners in Nicaragua but these assertions were dismissed by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. Vice President Ramirez informed Human Rights Watch that the decision to suspend La Prensa's publication could be reversed under the condition that the paper clearly dissociate itself from the United States policy supporting the Contras.[1][2] "La Prensa's editors..lobbied for continued U.S. funding of the Contras, never acknowledging their human rights violations," the Council on Hemispheric Affairs observes.[3]

Is there really nothing wrong with that? Why do you let him do whatever he wants?--Horhey420 (talk) 09:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, assuming good faith. What would correct the problem? Only romoval?--Horhey420 (talk) 09:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Honestly, I think that section still needs more trimming. It is roughly a quarter of the article right now. We should use summary style, and this is going into too much detail for this particular article. The majority should be in Contras, Iran-Contras affair, and La Prensa — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, yeah I agree. It shouldnt have a lot of details. Ill tell what's his name to add his info to the Contra page. I pretty much did 60% of it. Alright man. Thanks.--Horhey420 (talk) 09:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

You say I inserted "commentary" or my "personal analysis" but it's all supported by the source. It says it in the source. Did you read it? TimesrChanging sources cant even be verified and you do this to me.--Horhey420 (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

You are intimidating me to stop editing.--Horhey420 (talk) 17:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Omg you literally just repeated what he said.--Horhey420 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

User: Amb04


I would like to notice that Amb04 who is same user:banimustafa is trying to delete info from article Ayasrah cause it was kept after bad faith AFD.

recently he used a new sockpuppet called: user:Amb04 to nominate article Ayasrah and here I would like to point out that Banimustafa is under restrictions of only having one account (see Bwilkins' comment here), but the Sockpuppet investigations shows that he really use a sockpuppet but unfortunately no action taken.

I had a disputation with him about the content of article Jerash, and it was solved by DRN (look here please). But he didn't like the way it was solved, he just want to force his point of view.

I would like to note that user:Banimustafa has been blocked for sockpuppetry (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Banimustafa/Archive) and Banimustafa has accused me of sockpuppetry (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Historyfeelings/Archive), an accusation that did not result in a determination that the accusation is true. And he keep accusing me of sockpuppetry until now with same words same circumstances.

Banimustafa has a history of vandalisim; user:Wakwakwiki is a banned[16] sockpuppet of Banimustafa,[17] who has his own history of blocks[18] user:soufray is a banned souckpuppet of Banimustafa.

Kindly have a look at his contributions, he even uses same templates in my user page!!

what should I do? he want to lead me to an edit war with his sockpuppet. thanks a lot.--HF 17:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

FUR & images

Regarding your comments here[19] Were would I add the necessary licence for either image? I believe the usage of the Poster in support of Mukti Bahin would qualify under fair under the Non-free use rationale guideline as an illustration of the topic. Darkness Shines (talk) 07:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Per NFCC criterion 8, there needs to be in-depth discussion of the image or subject of the image to establish contextual significance. Neither non-free image has that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
So if I expand the article to include the types of images used during the conflict then it would be OK? Darkness Shines (talk) 08:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Not really, it would go into the section I am writing for the rebels. The lede also needs to be expanded according to comments made so a mention there would also increase the articles scope. Posters used during the war to help with moral and recruitment are an integral part of any article on a conflict. This one specifically is on the role of women during the conflict, there is another in the same style which depicts a man. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I had also hoped to use this image of a newspaper article in the army actions section, would that be allowed? Darkness Shines (talk) 09:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Going into in-depth detail on a particular poster or on how women were represented in propaganda would probably go out of scope, if just a little. We are generally not allowed to use press images under fair-use (see UUI #7. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
What if there were a subsection for the media depictions section? Like images and slogans used? Re the newspaper image from the BBC, would it be allowed if I were to use a copy of the original? Per NFCI #8 which would also cover the poster I think as it is an iconic image also. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • And keep it only regarding rape? Difficult task. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination review request

Hi. Can you consider reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/Purnima Mahato? I worry it won't get reviewed because the article features an Indian and the article has an Indian writer attached to it. I've written 95% of it. I've repeatedly warned the 5% writer not to add anything uncited into the article and said if they introduce copyvios, it will not appear on the main page. They wandered into the IRC help channel, which was why I did this article. --LauraHale (talk) 11:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tan's Film

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tan's Film at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mohamed CJ (talk) 12:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding ACG Colleges Group wiki page

Hi Crisco. I'd like to know why you deleted the page and what are the steps to bring it back. I have read what dramatic said back in October 2010: "All I can find by searching is promotional material sourced from the company, and trivial passing mentions. Nothing substantial, independent and in a Reliable source. Hence, while some of the individual (secondary) schools may merit their own article, the company which owns them fails our notability standards."

Dramatic failed on perform the proper searching. Also, to talk about our schools is to talk about us. We are the same thing: ACG is a group who owns all these schools. If your schools are approved by the Ministry of Education means that the Group was approved as well.

Grant me the opportunity to set a clear reference stating that we have more than enough credentials, backing our notability.

For example:

Ministry of Education of New Zealand

Education New Zealand

Education Weekly

New Zealand Educated


We are more than simple "promotional material", and we need the wiki working for our students. Let me know Crisco.

Starjim ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starjim (talkcontribs) 04:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I cannot find the article you are referring to, but you should note that the CSD tag under which it seems to have been deleted is more for how it is written rather than the notability of the subject. If a new article read "Dave Chappelle is the funniest man this world has ever seen. He makes everyone laugh all the time with his insanely funny jokes..." then it would be deletable, despite the subject being notable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Mr. Crisco you deleted the article. I want to know the exact reason for that (G4?), having the "how it is written" is not much of an answer. I also want to know how can I restore the article in the proper way, and please next time put a warning notification so we can fix the problem. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starjim (talkcontribs) 23:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Was it G4 or G11? G11 is defined as "Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note: An article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. "Promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organisation, a point of view, etc. See WP:NOTPROMOTION for the policy on this.", while G4 is the recreation of previously deleted material. If you have a link to the article it would be much easier for me to help you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I've scanned the deletion log and I've never deleted anything related to ACG. I classified ACG International School Jakarta for WikiProject Indonesia, but that's it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The article was deleted, I can't find a previous copy of it anywhere (that is why I'm really concern on restore it).

The ACG wiki article was here:

As you can see the log is saying that you performed the deletion of the wiki page: 12:20, 16 July 2012 Crisco 1492 (talk | contribs) deleted page Academic Colleges Group (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion)

et me know please. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starjim (talkcontribs) 00:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC) as a noteworthy source

I'm not sure how much it counts for, but I've noticed that The Guardian have taken to including a weekly review aggregation piece to their Saturday edition, compiling reviews for a film, a play, an album, etc, each week; among the sources they use is (mostly for films), alongside the likes of The Independent or Q. I guess it's not a lot of recognition but it's better than nothing. If you're still not convinced then I can easily remove the site from my current Twin Peaks FAC, but there are other articles I plan on working on which make more use of it so I'll still be keeping an eye out for its citation in other sources like this. Also, while I'm here, is there anything you're currently working on aside from ?? I'll get round to having a look at that one today for you hopefully. GRAPPLE X 15:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Do you have a link to Guardian quoting a Den of Geek review? That would be good for the FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find it on their site but I could probably scan the article to email to anyone who wants it. It cites their coverage of The Dark Knight Rises. GRAPPLE X 15:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Send it to me and I'll be glad to strike that part of my !vote — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)