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Multi DYK review

Thanks for reviewing the DYK nom for Multi; please take this cookie as a token of appreciation! I'm also wondering if you could link the term otaku in the hook. Thanks in advance! -- クラウド668 06:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  •  Done. Cheers, Cloud. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Triple crown

Dear Crisco 1492, well done on receiving this Imperial Napoleonic triple crown for work on Indonesian articles. Well done! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Top and bottom pics at FC

Hi, lovely pics as usual; but I wonder whether there's a reason not to make the bottom one bigger; the top one, I guess, is about max for its res already, fair enough. Tony (talk) 09:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I guess it could be pumped to 600px. Any bigger would clash with small screens. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Sculpture photos

The Mrs., the Little, and I are about to go to a county-owned sculpture park, and I was thinking about getting some images for Wikipedia, and maybe creating stubs for a few of the better-known works. If I take a photograph of a sculpture, does the copyright belong to me or the sculptor? -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  • If you do, verify that the sculptures either a) were first publicly displayed before 1923 or b) were first publicly displayed between 1923 and 1971 without a copyright notice, as the US doesn't have freedom of panorama for sculptures. That being said, have fun! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Will do! Thanks for the guidance-- Khazar2 (talk) 14:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Fair use obviously applies in all other cases. Ryan Vesey 14:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Applies for photos of the sculptures, or of the park generally? Khazar2 (talk) 14:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Sculptures. General pictures of the park itself would be allowed, as any statues would probably be de minimis — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not entirely positive on whether you could release a general image of the park under creative commons or not. I would assume you could if one of many sculptures in the image was copyrighted (as de minimis) but if all of the sculptures in the image are copyrighted that would need to be fair use as well. The statues are an integral part of the picture, not part of the background. Ryan Vesey 14:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I think that it depends on the percentage of the image occupied by the statues as well. Suffice it to say, an actual image would be easier to discuss then a theoretical one. As a side note, France doesn't allow FOP but we allow panoramas of the city. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. I'm planning to go picture-crazy at the park in any case; I'll upload one later with a sample fair use rationale and then pester you to check it over. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • True, and we can wait for an actual discussion. I do believe you are correct there since countries without FOP still allow skyline images. It might come down to whether any individual sculptures display prominently in the image. Ryan Vesey 14:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I think it may be because of the focus on the overall effect and not the individual works. Hence why a photograph of 9 CD covers isn't free, but a skyline can be. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I uploaded an image of the park's central piece, a 65x100x100 set of oil drums called "The Way". Could you take a look at my rationale here? File:The Way by Alexander Liberman, 1980.jpg Glad to revise/delete if necessary. I modeled on the rationale of another Liberman work. Also, in light of our conversation above, you might glance at File:Laumeier Sculpture Park 02.jpg; it's an image of a sculpture without addressing the sculpture's copyright in its rationale. Thanks as always for the help -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

That's funny, I saw the sculpture and I thought, that looks a lot like a sculpture on campus. I looked it up and sure enough the covenant (though it is given a much more crude name by the student body) was sculpted by Liberman
  • Looks like a solid FUR to me. I've deleted the too-big one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the double-check. The Mrs. and I took some of our wedding photos in front of that sculpture, as it happens--great park. Khazar2 (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll be sure to check it out if I get further than Michigan — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your DYK review of List of lighthouses in Gibraltar. Anne (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


Hope my edits to FC this week are okay; if you don't like them, please feel free to revert. The images happen to be from my college town, which I'll be returning to in a couple days. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 09:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sorry Ed, I feel there was a bit too much detail in those captions — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 August 2012

Fuad al Muqtadir

Hi! Hope everything's fine. I was just checking a page with the title Fuad al Muqtadir and saw that you have deleted the page on 26 July 2012. The reason was stated as lack of reliable sources claiming the notability of the artiste. I think these sources will meet the necessity :-

Thanks --Kmzayeem (talk) 10:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright, can I get the deleted article in the draft space?? Would be better for me. --Kmzayeem (talk) 11:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Can the sources that I provided be considered reliable?? If I put the sources in the article, will it be restored?? --Kmzayeem (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Not sure about benglamusic, but BBC and The Daily Star should be. However, they aren't enough to show notability as they are not in-depth looks at the subject. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, Crisco 1492. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/CPJ International Press Freedom Awards/archive1.
Message added 03:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Cheers, TBrandley 03:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

TBrandley's proposed fmt changes all look okay to me, but I didn't want to tackle anything at the table level until you'd had a chance to comment, too. Once you've posted your thoughts, I can do the gruntwork of replacing flags with country names, etc. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 03:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Amazing Grace

Thank you for supporting it as TFA! For the reasons behind the nomination, including the author's wish to not expose it as TFA, see here. I believe that some amazing grace is good for the project any day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Politionele acties = dutch military aggression?

Selamat malam, pak. A question of Indonesian terminology for you - would you be able to confirm whether what the Dutch refer to as the Politionele acties, Indonesians refer to as Dutch Military Aggression (Agresi Militer Belanda)? An editor at Politionele acties disputes this and has removed it. (he's citing Indonesian wikipedia. lol) I note the Indonesian page refers to them as Agresi I & II later on, but I'm not about to reference wikipedia (let alone id wikipedia!) He has also removed mention that the actions/aggressions were against the Indonesian Republic "as it wasn't recognised til 1949"? That's certainly bs as the DUtch recognised the RI in 1946 at the Linggadjati Agreement (albeit only as having de facto sovereignty over Sumatra, Java, and Madura). Would be great if you could help clarify. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 12:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Personal experience says yes with the first one question. Second is obvious point pushing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:14, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Would be nice if we could verify the first point as it is my personal experience too. Google should help there, or perhaps you have access to an esteemed Indonesian language source or two?? As for the second, solid references would be helpful as opposed to a revert war which I'm working on now (the former not the latter!). --Merbabu (talk) 12:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, Dr. Google says Agresi Militer is a valid term, although it may be more common with the two attacks themselves and not the actions as a whole. Have several sources regarding Linggadjati, will take a look. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. I too noticed the tendency towards a more delineated I & II separation in Indonesian. But "Agresi militer belanda" gets 230k hits vs. Aksi polisionil gets 19k. --Merbabu (talk) 12:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • It might be stilted with the AGM I and AGM IIs showing up, but I wouldn't mind it much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Andjar Asmara

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for cognitive vulnerability

Hey! This nomination template has been looked over and since the reviewer suggested a hook, ONLY THE HOOK needs to be looked over by another new reviewer. The rest of the article has been surely taken care of. If you have the time to just check it out, please do so. Thanks. Khyati Gupta (talk) 19:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Looks like someone beat me to it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kartinah

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Maria of Bohemia

Could you move Maria of Bohemia, Margravine of Baden to Maria of Bohemia?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 05:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

C.P. Gurnani

Can you please restore it and stub it if it's promotional? Because Gurnani is clearly notable and I remember adding references to the article back in the day. SilverserenC 07:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Helen Lee (director)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Paige Clark

Hi, Crisco. You've speedy-deleted Paige Clark, the deletion of which was overturned not three hours before at WP:DRV. Could you please restore it at once?

All the best—S Marshall T/C 12:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Alright, but please neutralise the language a bit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Looks like someone else got it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


What has happened here: Template:Did you know nominations/Betcha Gon' Know (The Prologue) ? AaronYou Da One 13:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, I fixed it lol. AaronYou Da One 13:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, looks like it. Have no idea what was wrong though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Ah, you forgot some closing brackets for the song's article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK Help

I am not very much aware of DYK procedure. Can you guide me in 1–2 nominations(s) please? --Tito Dutta 13:43, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  1. From the nominations page go to #How to post a new nomination. Type the name of the new article in the box provided and click "Create nomination".
  2. Fill out the details, in accordance with the parameter (i.e. the article's title in "title", the writer(s)'s name in author, author1 and so on). Save the page.
  3. Transclude it (i.e. paste {{Did you know nominations/Article title}}) under the correct date heading (based on when the article was expanded.
  4. Wait for a review. You don't have to review other articles until you've had at least 5 DYKs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sudirman

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kebyar-Kebyar

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina

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DYK for Mas Mansoer

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oevaang Oeray

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

7-in-1 hook submission

Just now asked Help Desk on my 7-in-1 DYK submission. I struck the request for their help, as you took care of it. Thanks again!

Can you help me: (all done!)

Submitting a 7-in-1 DYK hook

Apparently somewhere I screwed up! I am trying to submit a 7-in-1 DYK hook, but apparently didn't do the last couple of steps correctly. Can someone add the Template I made to the August 16 DYK submission list. I can NOT figure out how to do that step. As you can see from my contributions I made the Template, but then got lost in the next step. I have forgot how to submit to August 16, as it has been awhile since my last DYK. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 12:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I think I got it. I don't see anything wrong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
    Perfect! Thanks. I guess after creating 7 new articles I lost all my RAMs.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
    You're very welcome! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mail bag, Mail sack, Mail satchel, Mail pouch, Catcher pouch, Pony Express mochila, Portmanteau (mail)

  • You have e-mail concerning above 7-in-1 DYK nomination.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yep, I'll open my email soon. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I took your advice and it looks like things are moving right along.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Albertus Soegijapranata

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke has a picture in the hook, but I noticed here that the picture isn't there?? I'm only asking you as you sent it to prep 1. AaronYou Da One 17:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Far more picture hooks are proposed than could ever be run; most picture hooks are simply run without the image as there isn't enough room to run all of them. It's just down to luck of the draw really. GRAPPLE X 21:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Exactly. The DYK just above this (Albertus Soegijapranata) had an attached image too, but it wasn't used. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Short articles

Hey man. Been sitting on a few smaller articles for a bit, having sent them through DYK. I generally like to at least hit the 1000 word mark before going off to GA, but some of these don't look like they'll ever get that far. If you have a bit of time, could you just give them a skim to let me know what you think their chances might be, based on comprehensiveness? At the minute I'm looking at Europa and the Pirate Twins (low-charting 30-year-old single, not a lot to be said on it); Crime and Dissonance (it's a compilation album of obscure film music, so again there's little to go on) and Operation Sandwedge (this one didn't even happen as a thing, so what is there to say?). Thanks for any time you spend on them. GRAPPLE X 21:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sandwedge might benefit with a little more background information, but the others look reasonable. Caffo had a grand total of 600 words and it passed, while "Kidung Abadi" wasn't much longer. Miss Meyers is FA and between the two in length. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Background on Nixon and the mentioned players; or subsequent background on what did happen (Watergate burglaries etc)? I'll probably nom the other two tonight then. Thanks man. GRAPPLE X 23:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • A little bit of both (not too in-depth, though, maybe a paragraph at most). Similar to Hermaphrodite (Nadar) (NSFW), providing historical context. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • At a glance, Crime and Dissonance looks like the best of the three. The other two probably stand a shot at passing, it's tricky with the historical article though, striking the right balance with the background. If you're writing about Nixon though, you might ask Wehwalt to take a look, he knows a lot about that guy. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Really? Though he only wrote about coins and Ohio. Anyways, Wehwalt could certainly be of great assistance. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) I've nominated all three for the time being after expanding out some before and after background on Sandwedge. If any issues arise during reviews, I'll tap Wehwalt for what they might be able to add. I've kept the background light; two sentences of non-Sandwedge aftermath and three of forewording. GRAPPLE X 01:41, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll take a look at one or two later. Just writing an article on the first female film director in Indonesia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK favor

Crisco, when you get the chance, could you please take a quick look at Template:Did you know nominations/Pemberton Point? I just did a reorganization of one of the sections, with some new material added. It had been previously passed, but I found some issues. My edits shouldn't affect the already more than adequate size (added about 235 characters myself), and the hooks were okay, but I'd like someone independent to take a look at it for an approval. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for D. Djajakusuma

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

A translation request

On my talk page at the bottom there is a request from user:Adi.akbartauhidin which I believe is in Malay or perhaps Indonesian saying to "thank you for the DYK for the English version of Oevaang Oeray. Peace be to you." But then again perhaps he is asking you to translate it for me, not for me to translate it for you! This may be inresponse to the DYK credit at User talk:Adi.akbartauhidin. Since I need to use a dictionary, friend or online translation tool to understand, I think you will have a clearer idea of what Adi.akbartauhidin is saying. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • LOLz, yeah that's exactly it. "Thanks for bringing Oevaan Oeray to the English version of DYK. Peace be with you, brother." Cheers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ratna Asmara

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Ratna Asmara at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! PM800 (talk) 04:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


For Say Hello to My Little Friend's FAC, I fixed your, and everybody else concerns. So, I was wondering if you could leave further comments/support/oppose there. Cheers, TBrandley 04:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I'll look after lunch. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Prompted by D. Djajakusuma, and in recognition of your efforts to improve our coverage of the East Indies/Indonesia. You practically own this area, and I for one am in awe of the quantity and quality of your work. If this looks familiar, it's because you haven't stopped. Drmies (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Glad you liked it! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Maia Estianty/GA1

See Talk:Maia Estianty/GA1. Regards AdabowtheSecond (talk) 02:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


Good afternoon. Could you prove me a reason of deletion? And could this article be a stub? With respect --Stellsman (talk) 11:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • As indicated in the deletion summary, the article failed to indicate the importance of the band. Without reliable sources to indicate that the band is notable, it can't have a stub either. I did a quick look on Google before deleting the article and could find no independent sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Fuad al Muqtadir

Hi! The article was actually copied from the wikibin!! Ain't it free to use?? Thanks --Zayeemtalk 13:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • That's the content that was previously deleted at a deletion discussion. Wikibin hosts it, but it's not acceptable on Wikipedia until the reasons for deletion are addressed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The reason for being deleted in the first time was the lack of reliable sources and not the copyright violations, so can it be re-used?? If not then what should I do?? Thanks --Zayeemtalk 15:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, Wikibin can be used... but things there are generally ones which have previously been deleted from the encyclopedia, which means they'd be eligible for speedy deletion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Zayeem also posted to Wikipedia:Help desk#Wikibin where we replied to not copy from Wikibin for attribution reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for CPJ International Press Freedom Awards

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this one through; it's a kick seeing it on the front page. Khazar2 (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for writing it, we needed that! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

For your consideration

Talk:Feminism in Russia – I know you're a great reviewer, so if this topic is of interest to you, I'd very much appreciate your comments and/or GAN review! No pressure, of course :) Accedietalk to me 00:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I'll try and take a look today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much! No rush, but I just realized it's linked on the main page because of Pussy Riot, so it's been getting gazillions of pageviews these past couple days. Time to make sure it's up to snuff, quality-wise. Accedietalk to me 01:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Mhm... the dangers of a main page link. Thanks for copyediting ?, btw. It just passed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Woah, congratulations! The coveted WP:FOUR award... maybe that will be me one day! *covets* Accedietalk to me 02:57, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • If you keep working on Feminism in Russia it may end up like that. Images need work though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for ? (film)

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Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on ? (film). TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Max Pirkis

Thanks for the suggestions! I have added them into the article. I'd be available for a GA review if you have time, as I should have enough internet access in the next seven days to at least respond to possible comments. Otherwise, no worries. I'm sure someone will pick it up eventually! Ruby 2010/2013 02:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The Wigwam Du Bois, PA

I tagged the above referenced article with a G7 CSD, to which you reverted, stating (in essence) that the article was not requested by the article creator. Please refer to the talkpage, where the editor clearly indicates that this is a duplicate of something else, requests deletion, and offers an apology. Thanks. Best regards, Cindy(talk to me) 07:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Please indicate it with the template next time, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
    • It was clearly indicated on the talkpage. Note that Twinkle does not provide for a rationale under the G7 criteria. Best regards, Cindy(talk to me) 07:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
      • And checking the talkpage is something that rarely anyone will do for a G7 nomination. A note just above the tag would have done fine (see my deletion summary) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:45, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
        • That's certainly a feasible solution. Thanks for the idea. I appreciate your help. Best regards, Cindy(talk to me) 11:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
          • Cheers and thanks for new page patrolling. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Shields (police commissioner)

I was wondering whether you could review this one. Nikkimaria can't because she did some editing to correct some issues there and feels it would be a conflict of interest, and PFLai is getting antsy with good reason. I've asked Nikkimaria to take on the paraphrase check you requested at Template:Did you know nominations/Death of Abdulredha Buhmaid, which is just about as old. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Perhaps after the GA review I'm working on. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Nikkimaria has done the paraphrase check on Abdulredha Buhmaid and not turned up anything; since you did the other part of the review, I think it's up to you to add the appropriate icon. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Terang Boelan

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


Symbol support vote.svg Maia Estianty is now a Good Article
Congrats! The article you nominated Maia Estianty was just promoted to Good Article status! Great job to all of your hard work!
AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


There is a program called Chemsketch.

Chemsketch is great for chemistry. It lets you, among other things, draw molecules easily and view them in 3D.

Would taking pictures of these molecules, both in 2D and 3D, and uploading them be allowed? Or is it considered licensed and copyrighted by Chemsketch?


--Activism1234 22:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Not sure. You should try the copyright questions desk. What do people usually use for drawing molecules? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
    • I've been using Chemsketch for all my chemistry-related activities for creating molecules, so I'm not sure what other people use. It's an incredibly handy tool, that can draw molecules as well based on the name you type in, give you a formula for the molecule, let you change the types of bonds... Of course, if you're not interested in chemistry this probably doesn't sound that big to you! But I love it. Thanks, I'll take a look at that though. --Activism1234 00:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't know much about it, that's to be sure. I strongly suggest the help desk I linked to above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thought you might want to check out the verdict. Interesting! Thanks. --Activism1234 04:55, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Makes sense, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


Please see my recent post to Mark Arsten re Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders which is on the main page right now. (I don't know if he's online, but you are, because you just edited.) MathewTownsend (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK Death of Abdulredha Buhmaid

Would you like to close the Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Death_of_Abdulredha_Buhmaid discussion? BlueMoonset was worried by my proposing ALT1 making me not independent enough. Since you've been interested, maybe you could close? My opinion is clear in the discussion, i think. Boud (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG ... because it's sort of like balaclava, which is what the ladies from Pussy Riot wear, which is tangentially related to your GAN review of Feminism in Russia. Thanks for your very helpful comments and suggestions! Accedietalk to me 02:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Mehr News

Sorry to bother you again. I've tried searching for copyright info on their website but can't find it.

Do you know if pictures taken on [News] are copyrighted and thus not allowed? I'm not talking about the ones next to an article - the link I put here is to a section of their website where their articles are only photos (photo essays).

Thanks. --Activism1234 23:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

  • It has a copyright notice (© 2003-2010 Mehr News Agency) at the bottom of the page, so it isn't free. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ratna Asmara

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Tilden

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for reviewing

Hi, I see that you are active at FAC, and was wondering if you could review Give Peace a Chance (Grey's Anatomy) here. Thanks, TRLIJC19 (talkcontribs) 01:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • That looks fairly simple. I'll take a look later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 August 2012

St. Benoit

Hallo Crisco,
two words of explanation about this moving mess of the article about Saint Benoit. The article has been moved three times today. The problem is that the name used now is wrong: either we go back to Saint Benoit (French) or to we move it to St Benedict (English). St Benoit is neither English nor French. Understood now? Alex2006 (talk) 09:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • The problem is G6 is only for non-controversial moves, and having been moved three times in a day suggests the title is controversial. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
    • I understand, but the first move Saint Benoit (Istanbul) => Saint Benoit was plainly wrong, since only in France there are eight churches with these name; the second user noticed the error and wanted to correct it, so performed the move Saint Benoit => Saint Benoit, Istanbul since brackets are wrong in this context. This is the correct name (in French). Later he noticed (and wrote) that "Saint" is French (but actually is also English :-)) and to correct it moved the article so: Saint Benoit, Istanbul => St Benoit, Istanbul since (he wrote in the comment) "St is English". "St" is English, but Benoit isn't. I don't see any controversy in it, but only a sequence of errors. Alex2006 (talk) 10:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
      • Okay, outside of a G6 I'd be happy to do it. What target do you want, English or French? If English, the British St or the American St.? Next time Requested moves might be the better process. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
        • Thanks! actually you should only delete the Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul redirect and move Church of St Benoit, Istanbul there. This means => French. :-) I chose the G6 process because one case which applies in that case is described as "Redirect inversion", and this is exactly what it should happen. Thanks again, and sorry for not having used the right template. BTW, it would not be bad to disallow the possibility of moving articles as long as they stay on the Main Page. I don't know what happened this night (CET) to the article during these multiple moves. Alex2006 (talk) 12:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
          • Faster than light! :-) Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 12:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
          • I'd suggest taking the second thing to the village pump, although I agree wholeheartedly with you on that subject. You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
            • Hallo Crisco, done! Let's see what's happening. Thanks again, Alex2006 (talk) 06:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for G. Kruger

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


Can an article receive more than 1 DYK?

Thanks. --Activism1234 23:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • A single article can only appear on DYK one time. If you keep writing and submitting new ones, you can get one per article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Got it, thanks. --Activism1234 00:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Sandra Fluke

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sandra Fluke. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Casprings (talk) 02:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I should have contacted you. I reread the instructions. Pretty clear that #1 is contact you. Please accept my apologies. Casprings (talk) 03:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Artikel Bagus (GA [Good Article] iku Bahasa Inggrisnye, ye?)

Kang, sy pikir D. Djajakusuma itu udah cukup panjang, dan klo sy baca sudah memenuhi kriteria utk jd artikel bagus. Sy sarankan, utk mencalonkan artikel itu s'bagai artikel bagus. Bagaimana pendapat Akang? Salam. --Muhammad Adi Akbar Attauhidin 03:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adi.akbartauhidin (talkcontribs)

  • Sudah diajuin, kok. Tapi kalau di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris reviewnya dilakukan satu orang, dengan mendalam sekali. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tjambuk Api

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Mau nanya

Abang kan biasanya mencari data ada yang dari majalah tempo. Jadi, begitu sy daftar disana, sudah sy isi lengkap persyaratannya dari personal, logi, lalu verifikasi data tapi koq ada tulisan "could not open socket". Padahal sy mau cari data ttg walikota Pontianak, T.B Hisny Halir. Mana yg salah yah, Bang? --Muhammad Adi Akbar Attauhidin 04:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adi.akbartauhidin (talkcontribs)

  • Tempo sekarang udah nggak enak dipakai, harus bayar untuk mendapatkan artikel lama. Dulu gratis  :-( — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Alamak. Celaka duabélas. Ngomong2, arti dari "could not open socket" itu apa, ya? Satu lagi, jadi darimana Abang dapat artikel tokoh lama di intenet? --Muhammad Adi Akbar Attauhidin 04:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Sekarang susah, kemarin mau menulis tentang Nurnaningsih tetapi susah mencari di internet. Akhirnya datanya kurang pas. Banyaknya sekarang dari buku.
    • Socket itu ini, tapi aku sulit menjelaskan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Fifi Young

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ogden Stake Tabernacle and Honolulu Stake Tabernacle

Would you please provide me copies of the Ogden Stake Tabernacle and Honolulu Stake Tabernacle articles which you deleted upon closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogden Stake Tabernacle, a joint AFD, in July. I suspect that one or both topics are wikipedia notable after all and I want to try to develop one or both; I will review concerns in the AFD. --doncram 00:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Letters from Home (film)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Could you take a look at the images in this article, most of which are hosted on Commons? They are claimed to be PD-Pakistan but I am dubious, there's no indication of original publication and I'm especially dubious of the ones 1946 and after, which would not be PD in the US even if the fifty-year term under Pakistani law applied. Many thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Most, possibly all, of these would probably get deleted on Commons, though I'm no expert of Pakistan image copyright law. I can poke around more if need be. @Crisco-I only see the commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gandhi and Jinnah Bombay 1944.jpg del com on Commons. Where's the other? PumpkinSky talk 09:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
nb: be respectful of sulutil:Yann, the uploader of the 1944 image. Also a former steward. Nice guy. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
No offense to him/her, but for copyright purposes the images are not in good shape. The go-to page is not in agreeance with the template, btw. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey, looks like I have more than 1k images too. Kewlz. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Just giving a heads up; he's a reasonable guy, not a random image uploader.
  • Yeah, no ill-will intended. Random image uploaders generally burn out after a couple dozen or so (in my experience). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm very grateful to you all. Images are a severe problem here, obviously and that is an impediment to advancing the article.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I've sorted the photos above into OK and ? sections, see below:



PumpkinSky talk 21:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Pakistan_images Commons thread started there. PumpkinSky talk 21:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the passport is OK under Crown Copyright. Not certain that entitles us to crop out the image though.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I'm pretty sure the passport is fine. We should have a source for it though — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The fact that the source is dead should not be a reason for deletion. These images are famous, and it is assumed that they were published at the time they were taken. Yann (talk) 04:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • It's possible (probable, even) but to be safe we'd need original publication dates. There's an image of Sudirman that I'd love to use, but I haven't as I've yet to find convincing proof that it's public domain. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Also please take note that Indian and Pakistan copyright laws are not retroactive. In India, prior 1957, the term was 50 years after creation. So an image published in India before 1957, still has a 50 years term. Regards, Yann (talk) 04:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • That would go at the deletion discussion, I doubt we're going to hammer it out here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I may have to send some emails to Pakistan, to the places that study Jinnah's life, and ask for images that they know were published pre-1946. I'm kinda reluctant.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
You can't assume an image was published when it was created. PumpkinSky talk 11:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Concur. I am searching through what newspapers I can find online from British India of that era but there is not much and they didn't seem to do many pictures. But I suspect there's going to be difficulties at Jinnah over the deletions. I'll keep searching. Do we know anyone at Cambridge University? They seem to have archival access to The Times of India.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Don't think he ever made his way to Indonesia, so I won't have access to any newspapers with free images. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Film poster copyrights

Since you're pretty handy with image licensing I was wondering if you could give your opinion on File:Eraserhead.jpg. If it is PD as is claimed, I'd like to look for a better-quality version to replace it with; if it's not then I'm going to have to stop using it in my userspace. GRAPPLE X 00:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Can't see any copyright issues. It's not unheard of for a film poster for a low-budget film (even until the late 1970s) to not have a copyright notice. Some notable or good examples include Deep Throat, Farmer's Daughters, and Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song. The big studios mostly wised up by the 40s and 50s, although free posters (like Quo Vadis) exist.
Last year I spent several months finding free posters, so I know a couple good examples. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Brilliant. A quick look around found this version, which, while smaller overall, doesn't have the crease line down the centre that our version does, and isn't tilted to one side like ours. Grand to upload as a new version? GRAPPLE X 01:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd upload it separately, but yeah that's a good one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Done, thanks. On a related note, how familiar are you with histmerges? I can put a request in elsewhere if it's not something you know too well. GRAPPLE X 04:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I can do simple stuff, what do you need? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to merge these edits with the page history for Eraserhead, or would I be better just dumping that content as one edit? What I have in my userspace is entirely my work as I didn't incorporate any of the existing article in there, so coming in as one edit doesn't violate any attribution guidelines, just it'd probably be better to show the history of that version coming about. GRAPPLE X 08:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I can merge it. Now? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Whenever's easy for you. I'll not be chasing it up anywhere for another few days (wanna save it for the next cup round, starts next week. Cheeky, I know). GRAPPLE X 08:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
    Thanks much. Just need to track down the DVD for the 90-minute doc and this one should be ready to go places. GRAPPLE X 08:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
    Naturally I'll have a look. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It is not the redirect...

It is the recreation of the article (Mitt Romney's tax returns)that was invlaid. I think this was not at all handled well. The guy actually gets a barnstar and is encouraged to keep up these types of tricks and you agree it is a valid redirect, but do not even bother to address the recreation itself. I hope this is all above board, because it will likely the very same tactic will be used again to get articles any editor wants back by doing exactly this. Just ignore the AFD, recreate the article and then redirect it. Sounds like a plan I guess and one you have approved. Thanks. Saves so much time not to have to worry what consensus is.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Although, while it was obvious to me that a deletion request may not be appropriate with a redirect it is technicly the current article itself so I would really need to see this policy or guidline to fully understand how you handled this was factually correct and that the article should not have been speedy deleted. "Houston we have a HUUUUUGE gap in policy" allowing tricks and dishonest editing and I think that is the biggest failing here. Please, help me out to better understand your reasoning and how it applies to the current guideline and policy, If this is indeed proper and written down I am likely to understand it better. Any link you can provide to assist me to better understand this is appreciated.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • The tag you used would not qualify for a redirect, which is why I declined. If it's a problem of people continuing to recreate the page I'll be glad to protect. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Exactly what tag are you referring to that "I" used? What are your proposing to protect? The controled recreation of the article? If so, that would be great, but appears this has neatly fallen into a crevice so deep, it appears it may never be retrieved to be deleted to be protected against recreation. I am disapointed by the way this went and almost feel like we are being manipulated. By, the way, I am only involved in the AN/I discussion. I did not participate in contributing to either articles this regards, or the AFD, or the revert war over the redirect. As a disclaimer, I am actually a Liberal Democrat and major contributer to many conservative figure's biographies and have always tried hard to keep politics out of my decision making and I hope you daon't see this in any way political. I am devastated that consensus has been dismissed and see this as a possibly huge loss for editor retention.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Nixed "you". I was suggesting protecting the redirect so that the article cannot be recreated willy-nilly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Columbus

I notice your User Name is a reference to Christopher Columbus. FYI: I created the articles on Columbus Letter on the First Voyage and Beatriz Enríquez de Arana (mistress of Christopher Columbus) that may be of interest to you.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sadly I don't have much of a historical interest in him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

please consider this adoption


I know you're really busy but Arun sharma 101 asked Worm to adopt him.[1] Worm told me, when I supported the adoption request, that he was too busy and suggested that I look for another adopter at Wikipedia:ADOPT for Arum sharma 101. I saw you!

Arun sharma 101 is a very nice guy living in India. I taught him how to sign his signature by uploading the signature icon. Interacting with him is really pleasant and he learns quickly and has already contributed to an interesting article Lottery (short story) by a famous (in India) Indian author Premchand. (He asked me for more sources for the article, but I have access to NOTHING - even my library stinks.) I think he will be an active and positive editor.

Would you consider adopting him? We need editors from that part of the world, as you know!

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Have him contact me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
ok, thanks so much! MathewTownsend (talk) 21:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lily van Java

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for Adoption

Hello Crisco, I an Arun Sharma, an Indian college going student.I am new on wikipedia but I want to become an active editor on wikipedia.So I want to learn all the fundamentals of wikipedia and also want to contribute as much as possible.Now a days I am seeking for a adopter, who can taught me all about wikipedia so I can able to become an experienced editor of wikipedia.First I request Worm to adopt me, but he have too many adoptees now and running busy so he suggest me to look another adopter at Wikipedia:ADOPT. Yesterday Mathew Townsend suggest me to ask you for adoption.So I am here; I will try to learn all the things as fast as possible.
Please consider my Adoption Request.Thank You.--ARUN SHARMA 101Talk | Email 12:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for approve my request for adoption.I will try my best and become graduate as fast as possible.Thank you again.--ARUN SHARMA 101Talk | Email 13:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

  • (sorry - I removed my post - meant to put it on Arum sharma101's page.)

But, does he need help with his new signature. It seems that it doesn't click to his talk page. Or is that ok if it doesn't? MathewTownsend (talk) 14:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

nevermind! It seems to work on your page. Got confused I guess. It didn't work on my page. Guess he fixed it. Sorry! MathewTownsend (talk) 14:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Where's his new sig? WP:SIGLINK says it's okay as long as at least one of the three is available. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, okay. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I have completed my first task. Please see it here and give your reviews.mathew said that My new signature is not working . please tell me about that.--ARUN SHARMA 101Talk | Email 15:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I have completed my Second task also (i.e. use of citation templates). Please (see it here) and give your reviews.Thank You. --ARUN SHARMA 101Talk | Email 17:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)