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DYK for Peter Bennett (actor)

RlevseTalk 12:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for GRB 030329

-- Cirt (talk) 06:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Your DYK review

Hello Cryptic C62, you've reviewed my DYK nomination - thanks for that. As requested, I've added to 3rd New Zealand Parliament. I'm just bringing to your attention that it should now be good to go. Schwede66 05:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I'll have a look right now. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the hard work reviewing all the contributions. And sorry if I sounded a bit grumpy. Schwede66 19:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tidal tail

RlevseTalk 06:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Carmen FAC

Just wanted to say thanks, if I haven't already, for the support. Your review was brutal, but in a good way. :) Let me know if you have a GAN or FAC in the future and I'd be happy to help. Juliancolton (talk) 17:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've got an article at FAC right now - GRB 970228. The only prose feedback thus far has come from User:RJHall, who is a prolific astronomy contributor. He may easily comprehend things that would puzzle others, so if you feel like reviewing something outside of your comfort zone, GRB 970228 is the place to be. Also, be sure to shoot me a note for your next hurricane FAC if you want more outside feedback. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Cool, I'll take a look. Juliancolton (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Melvin Bernhardt

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for GRB 980425

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your stamp of approval on Distributed element filter. The sister article Mechanical filter will be going to FAC soon. If you are intending to do the same kind of line-by-line review on this one as well it would be better if you did it first before it gets anywhere near FAC. SpinningSpark 09:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for GRB 070714B

-- Cirt (talk) 06:02, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Unresolved comments section on Rosetta Stone article

Hello there:

Between myself and Andrew Dalby, I believe we have addressed all of your outstanding comments on the Rosetta Stone article (though I realize there is likely more to come). Just letting you know so that you can close or comment on what we have done.

Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 00:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Cool beans, thanks for the heads up. Congratulations on the FA! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Berry (actor)

RlevseTalk 12:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Elements report

Hi Cryptic C62 I updated the Elements report with the data from April and June 2010. Please have a look! I was not able to calculate two percentage from a table, it would be good if you can have a look. --Stone (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Rosetta Stone

Sorry, yes, please do continue :) Andrew Dalby 16:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


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Battle of Alton

Hey there! Thought you might like to take a critical look at my latest FA-to-be-... It's up for a peer review at WPMILHIST right now, but your input would be especially appreciated. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 14:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey mate! I didn't realize that you were still actively editing. I thought you had been devoured by that monster we call real life. Anywho, I'd be happy to take a look at Battle of Alton for you. No guarantees that I'm going to be quick about it, as I'm also reviewing Mechanical filter and Rosetta Stone. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Great. Thanks a bunch. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Rating of Iron on your element article quality picture

Iron had undergone a large amount of work, such as reorganizing and addition of citations, back in the end of May. Can you change it on your files so it is not a "blemish" article any more? Thank you. PS. I have your page watchlisted for now. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi there! At this point in my WikiCareer, I've pretty much lost all interest in the chemical elements and the tabulations thereof. If you're actively working on the articles, you may be interested in taking up the torch of maintaining File:Periodic Table by Quality.PNG and File:Periodic table by article value.PNG. It's not particularly difficult: simply copy the image into MS Paint (or whatever image editing software your computer has), fill in the square with the corresponding color, save the image, and then upload it over the old version. Presto! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, I have MS Paint. I'll try to keep maintenancing it. Thank you. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey, please check the difference between File:Periodic Table by Quality.png and File:Periodic Table by Quality.PNG. Also File:Periodic table by article value.png and File:Periodic table by article value.PNG. Problem here. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 20:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
The changes look fine. If you're asking why it got uploaded as a new file instead of as a new version, it's because the filenames are case-sensitive. If you go to File:Periodic Table by Quality.PNG, there's a link labelled "Upload a new version of this file" just above the File links heading. That's the one you want. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Valerie Bettis

RlevseTalk 06:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you still reviewing?

Are you still reviewing Mechanical filter? It has been a few days since you last commented and the review has been in progress for two months. I am now itching to put this forward to FAC and the prospect of that is restraining me from moving on to new projects. SpinningSpark 10:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

It is now at FAC - nomination page. Please leave a comment. Thanks, SpinningSpark 18:40, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review for Battle of Alton

What do you think about me nominating Battle of Alton for GA review while the peer review is still going? Would that be a problem/faux pas? Also take a look at my newest article Protein C. I've been living in front of the computer for three days straight... -- Rmrfstar (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I know that for FAC you're supposed to wait until all other processes are closed, but I couldn't find anything in the GA guidelines to that effect. I'd say WP:BE BOLD and go for it! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Air Well FA review

Hi. The FA review of my Air well (condenser) article has been dumped into an archive. I am still working on it. What am I supposed to do now? Gaius Cornelius (talk) 22:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I realized you never got a well-deserved one of these

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I realized you never got a well-deserved recognition for your original idea. For two years it has definitely helped wp:ELEM to much better coordinate collaborations towards the highest-impact articles. Enjoy! Nergaal (talk) 07:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Something for you

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Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on October 25, 2010. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 25, 2010. If you think that it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! TbhotchTalk C. 19:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

How's your Online Ambassador experience going so far?

Hi Cryptic C62/Archive 2,

We're starting to get into the busy part of the semester for Online Ambassadors, and we want to check in and see how you're doing, what your opinions about where we are now, and any feedback you may have.

Please answer these questions either on my talk page or send them to me by email.

1. How many mentees are you currently working with?

2. Have you reached out to students who don't have mentors yet? If not, would you be willing to?

3. What do you think of the content of messages on the Google Group?

4. What do you think of the volume of messages on the Google Group?

5. Do you participate on the Google Group much? If not, what would make you participate more?

6. Are there any problems you've experienced so far?

7. Is there anything else Sage or the rest of the Public Policy Initiative team could do to make your experience as an Online Ambassador better?

8. Are you okay sharing your username with your answers to our Public Policy Initiative team, or would you prefer to remain anonymous?

Thanks for your feedback! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act

Hi Ambassador, I need help with fixing and adding more stuff in "Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act" article. Thanks, Fadi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadman0 (talkcontribs) 23:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll be sure to leave some feedback on the article talk page in the next day or so. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Niqāb in Egypt

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DYK for Mudawana

Orlady (talk) 12:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Niqāb in Egypt

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Isla Blair

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Andriza Mircovich

I am happy to read that you enjoyed the article while it was still developing. Just for your information, it is almost twice as long now. KimChee (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Isla Blair

The DYK project (nominate) 06:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Online Ambassador selection process

Please share you views on the current version of the proposed Online Ambassador selection process, which the steering committee has recommended for adoption by the ambassadors program. Once we settle on a selection process, we can start recruiting more Online Ambassadors for next term (in which we will have more students, and the students will be more involved with mentors from early on).--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi Cryptic C62. I made a lot of changes for my Article "Niqab in Egypt". Please take a look at the changes. do you think it is ready for Good Article nomination? Thanks for you help Noosaelgamoosa (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)noosaelgamoosaNoosaelgamoosa (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Spinal cord injury peer review

Hello, you recently peer reviews this article and offered to give more specific feedback. Is that deal still on the table? Thanks! Peter.C • talk 16:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely! I will be sure to take another look in the next day or so. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Ready to take in mentees?

Hi Ryan, I am currently assigning mentees from the Indiana University class. Would you mind mentoring Nocturnaleagle (talk · contribs), L5Sewell (talk · contribs), Sima1808 (talk · contribs), and Lolita2010 (talk · contribs)?

They are currently semi-active although they had experimented in their sandboxes. They might be getting active over the next few weeks due to their assignment datelines.

If you are able to mentor them, can you please leave a mentorship-offer message on their talk pages? Please indicate in your message that you have been assigned to them.

Once you've done that, please update Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors/Mentors with a list of your mentees.

If you are not able to mentor them or can only mentor a certain number, please let me know.

Thanks, Bejinhan talks 13:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Done! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Iron Fist Campaign

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Heads up with mentees

Hey, your mentees working on Negawatt power have made some major editing there, could you help with feedback/questions? Thanks, Sadads (talk) 16:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


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For excellent work advising students on how to improve their articles, and for thoughtful participation on the ambassadors mailing list, I award Cryptic C62 the Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks mate, this means a lot to me. I do worry that my feedback is viewed as unnecessary pessimism, so it feels good to know that my input is, at the very least, tolerated. :P --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


I think that the query you posed at a recent AfD was spot on -- "Can we reasonably expect our readers to search for this person?" To that end, I wonder whether we should not at AfDs start looking at the number of hits an article is getting, as partial answer to that question.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you a regular contributor to AfDs? I generally shy away from that sort of contributing unless I happen to stumble upon an article that I have a strong opinion about. I hadn't realized that my question and use of statistics was innovative -- it seemed like a fairly logical connection to me. While page views are obviously no substitute for notability and good sources, it seems like an obvious way to gauge whether or not Wikipedia will benefit from an article's inclusion. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I've contributed to a good number of them over the years. I agree that your suggestion was fairly logical; I think it would be good if incorporated into the "is this notable" analysis. Not as an end-all and be-all, but as yet another tool. We are just struggling in the dark to define an elusive concept through second-hand indicia. "Did RSs report on it? Did RSs in more than one country report on it? Did RSs report on it over a period of time?" All those are simply proxies for "is there interest in it". Which, to my mind, page hits go to as well. This isn't something that is generally alluded to at AfDs, but I think that your suggestion is spot on.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Cool, I'm glad you dig it. Like I said, I'm not particularly interested in AfDs, but I am interested in working to (gradually) find the best methods for everything. Maybe I'll throw the idea at a few more AfDs and see if it sticks, and you're obviously welcome to do the same. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 04:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Sounds great. If you do have an area or two of interest, one way to see if any AfDs pop up in that area btw is to watchlist the relevant deletion lists here. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Mentor for team of students

Hi, my name is James Fullerton, and I'm a teacher at Southern Lehigh Middle School in PA. Recently I've created a project that involves Wikipedia (WP) and small groups of students making a contribution to a WP article of their choosing, as long as the topic is related to the content of the course - being American Government, Civics, and Economics. For the past 4 weeks, students have become involved in the culture of WP, with many already narrowing in on a topic for their contribution. Here is the supportive material on Wikispaces ( Your assistance would be greatly appreciated! Would you be available to act as a mentor to a small group of students as they begin to offer additional content to an article of their interest? The team sizes are numbered between 5-7 students each. I will notify you as to who is in the teams with their WP user names. Jmfullerton (talk) 17:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Of course! I would recommend that you contact User:Ragesoss if you haven't already. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Helena Bliss

Orlady (talk) 06:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

CSI Effect

Hi Cryptic,

I noticed your extensive revisions to the CSI Effect article. Thank you for your attention to it! I wanted to throw in my two cents about one of your recent edits -- in the section about "jurors," you focus mostly on one particular test of the CSI effect. The earlier version of the page (prior to your edits) mentioned several different empirical studies that looked at the CSI effect in different ways. Predating the Shelton article, Podlas looked at what evidence CSI viewers used in a mock trial, and Schweitzer looked at how CSI viewing specifically influenced perceptions of forensic science. Also, right around that time, Cole looked at how jury decisions changed during the rise of the CSI shows. Each of those articles paints a somewhat different picture of the CSI effect, and I think that it would be good to include those different takes on it. I'd be happy to contribute some of this myself, but I wanted to wait and see where you were headed with the article. -Nicktalk 05:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey mate, thanks for the feedback! I chose to focus on the Shelton studies because it seems to be regarded as the best available thus far—and with 1,027 test subjects, it's not hard to see why. I have thus far ignored the Podlas article simply because Schweitzer thoroughly refuted the study in his article, though I had intended to look through the Podlas article at some point anyway. As for the others that you've mentioned, I simply haven't gotten around to incorporating them yet. My removal of previous sources was a result of my (perhaps selfish) desire to start from scratch rather than a need to push a particular POV. If you want to take a crack at adding some more studies, go right ahead! I'd love to have a partner in crime. Also, I was thinking of adding a Mechanism section to explain exactly how jurors form opinions, as described in the Ramsland article. Do you think this would be a worthwhile addition? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


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I am now working on fluorine, but I am not sure I can do it great. Are you interested to help me with fluorine? That Top-importance article deserves more than C-class it is now. I am sure you can do many useful things for me with that, even if these are just reviews - that'd also be very useful. Here's what I have with it now (for comparison, true fluorine). If it doesn't bother you, please, reply on my talk page, but I'll check your page periodically.--R8R Gtrs (talk) 11:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Hannibal (swan)

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

CSI effect

Sorry to make more work for ya, but have you seen this page? There's a lot of sweet links in there ... Sasata (talk) 06:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

My god, man, how do you find all this stuff? I'll start poking through the links there. Luckily, it seems as though I've already used a good chunk of them as sources. Thanks for the tip! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Perry Mason syndrome

Thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 10:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

WP Elements Triple Crown

See: Wikipedia:Triple_Crown/Nominations#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements. Nergaal (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Mentor request

Hello, I am ThePerseid_SCD and this semester, my class is part of the Wikipedia US Public Policy Initiative. I was wondering if you would be my mentor. Thanks! ThePerseid SCD (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Elements Triple Crown

Your Majesty, I am pleased to award this special edition platinum triple crown to WikiProject Elements and its hardworking volunteers. – SMasters (talk) 10:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for all your hard work. May you wear the crowns well, and may the platinum crown motivate you to contribute more outstanding articles. – SMasters (talk) 10:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Sweet! I love metal. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 13:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 28 January 2011


This is the first issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program newsletter. Please read it! It has important information about the the current wave of classes, instructions and advice, and other news about the ambassador program.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

grevy's zebra

Thanks for taking the time. i'll probably start working tomorrow evening. LittleJerry (talk) 02:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Let me know if you have any more. LittleJerry (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Empire of Brazil

Of course! Any extra eye (or eyes) is helpful. I would be very glad if could review it. Kind regards, --Lecen (talk) 04:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

CSI effect

Hi, sorry your nomination didn't succeed, even though I didn't support it. Good that someone's doing work outside their "comfort zone". Interesting article all the same, and thanks for working on it. WP is better for it. Tony (talk) 09:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words mate, I really appreciate it. It is easy to lose sight of the fact that as long as the articles are improving, there really is no such thing as failure on Wikipedia. Anywho, I'm now working with Casliber to polish up the prose a bit before I nominate it again. You're certainly welcome to pitch in if you're not too busy. Otherwise, I'll simply ping you when the article has returned to FAC. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 11 February 2011

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Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 13 February 2011


This is the second issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

  • Userboxes and profiles - Add an ambassador userbox to your page, and make sure you've added your mentor profile!
  • Be a coordinating ambassador - Pick and class and make sure no students fall through the cracks.
  • New screencasts - Short videos on watchlists and a number of other topics may be useful to students.
  • Updates from Campus Ambassadors - Ambassadors are starting to report on classroom experiences, both on-wiki and on the Google Group.
  • Other news - There's a new on-wiki application for being an Online Ambassador, and Editing Friday #2 is today!
  • Things you can do - This is just a sample; if you're eager for something to do, there's plenty more.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentor Request

Hi, My name is Laura, and I'm a grad student at Indiana University. I'm doing a project for an econ class in which I will be creating a page about pesticide regulations in the US. I was hoping you would agree to be my mentor during the project. Thanks!! (Lauschro (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

marking mentees' userpages

Hey Ryan! This is just a quick reminder: please be sure to add {{WAP student}} (for an example, see User:Sfofana) the user pages of your mentees. And once they are working on articles, be sure to tag the talk pages with {{WAP assignment}}. Cheers--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I was not aware of these handy dandy templates. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Air Well

I have now modified my Air well (condenser) article along the lines you suggested some time ago. Please take a look at it and feel free to offer further observations at Talk:Air well (condenser). Thanks again for your help thus far. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey mate, I'm happy to hear that you continued to work on the article. I've got a lot on my plate right now (both on- and off-wiki), but I'll gladly take another look at the article in the next week or so. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Next week will be fine - after a three month hiatus that is not long at all. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 08:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

There is an updated message for you at Talk:Air well (condenser). Gaius Cornelius (talk) 08:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC) Gaius Cornelius (talk) 19:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I am happy to hear that you are feeling better. Can you find time to take another look at the Air Well article? Gaius Cornelius (talk) 20:25, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Chess photograph (finally!)

See Sicilian Defence for a fruit of our collaboration. That particular image could do with some better editing (e.g. I made the black pieces look rather underexposed), so if you know anyone with 1337 photo editing skillz (and who isn't colourblind), you could ask him to do it right. I have the RAW data for that photo and for a bunch of other pictures which I haven't attempted to edit, (and which I think have potential,) including some depictions of a simple 1.e4 .... -- Rmrfstar (talk) 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Very nice! There's a guy I work with IRL who has the 1337 skills; perhaps I'll ask him about it tomorrow and see what he says. Perhaps we should also leave a note in the Village Pump to see if any active Wikipedians are up to the task. Why don't you email me the photos? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
The folder is about 1.5 GB, with each image ~15 MB: a bit too much to e-mail. I could set up a user account on my server and you could SCP them. Would that work? -- Rmrfstar (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
It depends on one important factor: what on earth is SCP? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. You should be able to download all of the photos here. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them

This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.

Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it!

If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Gery Chico peer review

Thanks for peer reviewing Gery Chico! I've addressed your concerns, and hopefully in a few days the article will be ready for another go at GA! Cheers, Geread (talk) 22:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Cryptic,

Many thanks for your kind review of the Rwanda article yesterday. I've addressed some of your points and will look at the others in the next couple of days. And I'm glad to hear you may make the article a pet project... aside from the usual bouts of vandalism it's been quite a one man show for me recently (the previous major contributor is now largely inactive on WP)! I look forward to hearing any further feedback that you have on the article. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 24 February 2011

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Jules Delsart

I've worked on this to get it ready for DYK. Can you take a look? Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

It looks like Yoninah beat me to it, though I definitely would have approved the nomination with the work that you've put into it. Good stuff! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Oprahization

Gatoclass (talk) 18:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Congratulations. That was a fascinating read! 22:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
    Glad you enjoyed it! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador Program

Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 04:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

CSI effect

Thanks for asking me - I can't do it tonight, but could at least take a look at it in the next 24 hours - would that work? ALso just to be clear, do you want me just to review it (or copyedit it too)? I will not read the FAC page until I have already carefully read the article. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I have finished copyediting the Background section (and did not find much in the lead, but will re-read it when done with all else) - does my c/e seem OK? Please check that I have not made things inaccurate or worse (and feel free to revert any of my tweaks). I misunderstood your original request slightly - I thought the article was still listed at FAC. Since the only real objections seemed to be prose, I thought I'd take a stab at copyediting (take a stab - too much CSI!). I added two things - one was the fact the the original CSI is still on the air (in its 11th season) and the other was to make it clearer that Quincy ME was not a legal drama. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I changed that part of it back - thanks for the heads up and glad my copyedits are meeting with your approval. I have heard anecdotally that another issue with the increase in academic programs on forensics is that there are not that many jobs in crime labs, etc for graduates. Not sure if there is a RS for this or not, but might be worth adding a sentence. I also wondered if it would be worth adding in a note that the news reports on the LA DA who called the Robert Blake jurors stupid quoted independent legal experts who did not see the case as open and shut. I hope to finish my copyedit / tweaks in the next day or so. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I do remember reading somewhere that there aren't many jobs available for forensics grads, simply because each lab has a small crew and a tight budget. I didn't think it was relevant at the time, though if I find it again I'll add it and see what you think. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
OK, I am done with the copyedit - read the lead again and think it summarizes the article pretty well (not sure if the second paragraph would be better if the sentences were in the same order as the article section). Please let me know when you take this back to FAC or if you have any questions on my edits. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I looked over your most recent edits, and they all work for me! Thanks for all the help, mate. I'll probably list the article at FAC when I get back to the States and have more time to edit. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Signpost commentary

Hi, thanks for the note on my page. My comments at the Signpost were an attempt to express a number of thoughts & feelings I've had about paid editting, which I'll admit that some are contradictory, but basically arise from an opinion I've had for a few years now, which can be expressed, in brief, "If a Wikipedian makes contributions, which conform to all of the expectations & guidelines concerning Wikipedia, what is wrong if she/he is paid to do so?"

I agree with you that a permanent & full-time job contributing to Wikipedia might quickly become an unpleasant experience. (If I found my job required me to mediate yet another ethnic/nationalist/religious edit war, my first response would be to start looking for a new job.) I, too, like the idea that I can edit Wikipedia when I want & write (for the most part) what I want. But the odd thing is that I've talked to a number of Wikipedians who like the idea of making a living contributing, at least in theory. And to be honest, if someone contacted you & said, in essence, "I like what you did on this article. here's $50. Keep on doing what you've been doing" -- would you honestly turn down the money? (And to make my point obvious, this person is not trying to subtly influence you to push a POV; she/he just wanted to reward you for a job well done.)

But many people write for money, & in many cases the fact they are paid either does not seriously influence their objectivity about the subject matter (e.g., many journalists, academics), or express their honest opinion about the subject (e.g., novelists & other professional writers). While in no way I believe everyone contributing to Wikipedia should be paid -- especially if they don't want to deal with the possible complications being paid to edit brings, either actually or possibly -- I believe that paid editting could play a role on Wikipedia, especially when it comes to less familiar topics -- which is becoming more the case now that all of the low-hanging fruit has been picked. Some topics require devoted research & careful writing, which contributing the odd hour here & there can't effectively address. (Or maybe they can, & people who achieve this have learned how to not "bopping around the encyclopedia aimlessly" -- like me & you.

I'll close by explaining at length the main reason I responded so forcefully to Sue Gardiner's comment. I wasn't at her office hour -- although I'm an old Internet hand, I don't do IRC for various reasons -- but the message I heard in the article (which was a paraphrase) was, "I don't care whether Wikipedians might need money. Giving it to them is a bad thing -- even if the Foundation could reward specific individuals for their contributions. And even if I am making a living from Wikipedia's success." Had she responded that the Foundation won't reward in any monetary way individuals who contribute content because it might be understood that the Foundation supports a specific opinion about a matter, I could live with that. In fact, until I read that, I assumed that was why the Foundation had never made grants to those who create content. -- llywrch (talk) 20:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Your point about needing "some metric for determining who gets paid" is a good one -- one reason I've not seriously argued for paid editting, although I've argued against forbidding it. Although the idea might make sense at first glance, insisting on an article passing either FA or GA for it to qualify wouldn't work: both processes are subjective, & it would be too easy for a determined group to sabotage any nomination -- & thus prevent an editor from being paid. But I'm curious to know what other ways you think article quality would suffer from extrinsic rewards. Any problems I can think that would cause would still be present without it; people are not perfect. At least offering a chunk of money might encourage an editor to continue contributing & finish an article despite the usual frustration the Wikipedia environment gives us.
With all of the "experiments" I read about performed on Wikipedia, there is one I'd like to see attempted: Send to the top 400 contributors for a given month a $50 gift card to their favorite bookstore. It'd be interesting to see if this made a measurable difference in keeping veteran editors -- but even if it didn't, a lot of deserving people would get something tangible back for all of their hard work.
As for your refusal to take money -- I can believe it. I wish I could be that altruistic; instead, I simply insist on a price for what I do. (Sure, someone can offer me enough money to write a garbage article on a non-notable subject for Wikipedia; but they can't pay me enough to keep it from being deleted. ;-)
And good luck on your trip to Thailand. (I saw your note at the top of the page.) -- llywrch (talk) 06:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review

I just wanted to thank you for the peer review of Legal Services Corporation v. Velazquez. Much appreciated - I am getting right to work :)

Best regards, Lord Roem (talk) 04:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

And....I just finished!! Again thanks for your help. You are free to archive it now. Lord Roem (talk) 04:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Chess photos

Did you get them? -- Rmrfstar (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I did. Shortly before I left for Thailand, I sent the url to the visual arts guy I work with. When I get back, I'll be sure to poke him about it again and see if he can help us out. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 10:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Malmö FF FAC

Hi, thanks for your comments. I have replied on the FAC page. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I have replied to your new comments. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
New reply at the FAC page. --Reckless182 (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

  1. Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
  2. If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
  3. Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: CSI effect

Nice trick, playing on my devotion to a cause to get me to review an article. ;-) Anyway, I did review the article. I need to warn you that when I provide a peer review of an article I don't go over the article with a fine-tooth comb & pick over its language (from the unsuccessful FAC, this is what some suggested it needed); my intent is to look at the article & see just how well it explains the subject to someone who is not a specialist in the field -- who knows little or nothing about it to begin with. (This is the kind of person I believe we should be writing for.)

  • The leads mentions several areas that the CSI effect has influenced, & most of them are discussed in the body of the article -- except for cold cases, which receives only an incidental mention towards the end. What is the CSI effect on cold cases?
    I think that when I first included the cold case bit in the lead, I had expected it to be a prominent subject in the sources, but that ended up not being the case. I've rewritten the sentence in question. What do you think?
  • BTW, I commend you for boldly using the word "affect". Too many writers have been frightened off from the lexical thicket surrounding affect/effect & take the coward's way out by using "impact."
    The only lesson that I learned from my high school English classes was that "impact" is used to describe one object colliding with another; "affect" and "effect" are used for everything else.
  • The "Background" section starts with a link to "Perry Mason syndrome". Why is that there? This section only incidentally mentions it. Perhaps this could be solved if you started this section with, "Since the television program Perry Mason was aired, crime shows have had an effect on the legal system by influencing public perception" -- then link to the P/M syndrome at "Perry Mason". (I know some FAC reviewers don't like links that do that. Just invoke WP:IAR in those cases & screw them.)
  • One significant problem I have with this article -- & it was touched on in the unsuccessful FAC -- is whether this is an international phenomenon. Obviously the "CSI effect" occurs where the justice system relies on trials by jury -- which isn't the case in many countries with civil law. However, almost all of the examples you cite are from the US. (I only noticed this fact when I reviewed your ranges of sources, which commendably range from the popular media to the technical secondary literature.) Any chance you can find some examples from, say, Australia or the UK?
    This has definitely been one of the trickiest issues for this article. I'm going to try to dig up some more international examples. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I'll conclude with a thought I had while reading this article: is there a way you can work in the anecdote of how the authorities successfully pinned the Green River Murders on Gary Ridgway? I feel this is relevant as an example of the authorities actually doing something that the CSI effect would lead a jury to expect: viz., he was forced to spit in a cup, the contents then carefully preserved against the day when forensic technology could match his DNA sample against the ones found on the bodies of some of his victims. This is one of those real-life incidents which make one think, "I thought that kind of stuff only happened on tv/in the movies." (And to make this clear: this is not requirement for FA status. Just a suggestion.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
    Well, we could only include an example like that if there were sources available that connected Ridgway with the CSI effect. The only reliable source I could find that attempted to make such a connection was this one, which failed to note that the relevant actions took place decades before CSI debuted.
Glad I was able to help. BTW, since you are in Thailand any chance you might be able to find any examples of the CSI effect there? That would definitely help with that problem. -- llywrch (talk) 14:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review

I have a question which i'd appreciate if you would answer. Please read my most recent comment. Here is the link. Thanks. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 04:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 25 March

--Guerillero | My Talk 17:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Now I'm hungry

Bagel01.jpg Going to find some food, then I might get a chance to review CSI effect again. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Nom nom nom. Pun intended. Thanks for the speedy feedback. I'm off to bed now, but I'll be nerding around all day tomorrow. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 04:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Netball FAC: Thank you for the review

Thank you for helping to review Netball. I've never been through the FAC process and I found your edits and comments regarding what needed fixing to be extremely helpful. While the article may have failed, the feedback was insightful, on point and offers a clear route to addressing issues in the article. Speaking for myself and other regular contributors, we'll definetely be addressing the problems raised so that at some point in the future we can renominate it and get it passed. Thanks again for the assistance! --LauraHale (talk) 00:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Happy to help, mate! I'm also glad that you're approaching the process with a positive attitude. All too often do contributors associate unsuccessful nominations with feelings of failure and dejection, but it's important to keep in mind that the ultimate goal of any process here is simply to improve the articles. Best of luck with this and all future endeavors! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 00:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

La Stazione reply

Just wanted to let you know I responded to your comments on the FAC for La Stazione. --Gyrobo (talk) 23:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know I changed the wording to include "route". Sorry about the business with the edit summary, there have been plenty of instances where flat text failed to correctly convey my emotional state, I should have picked up on that. --Gyrobo (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to touch base with you to see if there were still any unresolved issues on La Stazione. You seemed to strike your commentary, but didn't indicate a clear support. The nomination has been open for two months now, and I'd hate for it to get archived because there weren't enough unambiguous supports. --Gyrobo (talk) 01:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Request to mentor a small group of students

Hi Cryptic! I'm trying to find mentors for each of the groups in the Energy Economics and Policy course. Would you be willing to mentor this group? If so, please sign up on the course page and introduce yourself to the students in the group. If not, let me know so I can find someone else. Thanks!--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 14:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I ended up taking the anti-idling group instead, as I feel I would be better suited to work on that article. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Your comments on Shakespeare authorship question

Hello, Could you make a link to your comments mentioned on the Featured Article candidiate page for the Shakespeare authorship question? I confess that I cannot find them. Fotoguzzi (talk) 15:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Certainly! My apologies for having not thought to do it myself. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Your SAQ FAC review

Hi, and thank you for taking the time to review the SAQ article for FAC.

I believe the nominators have addressed (i.e. answered or fixed, depending) all the points you brought up in your review. If you could take a look and strike those that you feel have been adequately addressed and perhaps provide further guidance on those you feel are still insufficient, that would be very helpful. You also ended your review with the comment “more to come”, so it would be good if you were to indicate whether you still intend to provide further comments. Finally, I believe you have not yet indicated whether you Support or Oppose the article's promotion, which sort of leaves the default as “neutral”. If you believe the article does not fulfill the FA criteria based on the concerns you have noted you should probably explicitly note your Oppose; and, of course, similarly for Support if you believe your concerns have been adequately addressed, or fulfills the FA criteria despite any remaining concerns. Thanks. --Xover (talk) 21:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Hark! I have done these things that you have asked of me. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. I believe we've now addressed or are ready for further guidance on all the remaining issues. --Xover (talk) 16:20, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

We need to get this wrapped up; what is your timing? Thanks for the considerable review! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose that depends: do ya'll want it done quickly or done well? In any event, I am working on it right now. I hope to be finished by sundown EST. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

You appear to have wiped out my edit in an edit conflict. In case you disd not see it, here it is, re the word "sugred": I think this is a question of spelling. "sugred" means nothing in modern English. The word is "sugared". I think we should use modern spelling in instances like this to avoid confusion. After all "Much Ado About Nothing" is not referred to as "Much Adoe About Nothing". Paul B (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2011 (UTC). If we are writing for people who people don't know the meaning of the word "sugared" we may as well just give up! Paul B (talk) 16:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

(ec) No, I just want to know when I can schedule time to work on my tax return :) I think you dropped some other comments from the FAC in the edit conflict in your last edit? Thanks for the work, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Introduction to Evolution

Greetings. The article was not promoted after 8 days on the FA list. Not sure why the quick trigger; the students were in the process of addressing the issues. Rather than resubmit; I request that you allow us to address your concerns "off the record" and please inform when it meets your satisfaction. At such time the students will resubmit for FA. --JimmyButler (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Make sure that you are checking in on your students work for WP:USPP/C/11/PTE

Hey, just a happy reminder to make sure that you are regularly checking in on your mentees work for JMU'S Technical editing class, Sadads (talk) 11:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Vanishing cycles

Hello. Could you explain the rationale for this edit? Probably that should be explained on the article talk page. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


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I am sorry that your completely ill informed about reality and you watch entirely too much television but as a criminology major and someone who works with people that our actually in the field i would say that your totally off base with your information. The sad thing is people like you are the reason many people are ill informed about actual crimes. Wikipedia is a unreliable and filled with incorrect assumptions seen as facts because of unintelligent people as yourself. I honestly don't want to argue with you because you seem like the type of person who believes this and probably wont be jaded and change your view points. Id like to see the sources and people you got this misinformed information from.

The mistress11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by The mistress11 (talkcontribs) 21:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Just dropping by to apologize

... for something long, long ago. A few weeks ago, when we were having yet another discussion over at WT:RFA, I suddenly realized that I and a lot of other folks at RFA have been very wrong about something for a long time ... in the real world, you don't jump all over someone while they're in the process of trying to pass an examination, you let them do their thing first and then you look and ask questions. We really need to fix that at RFA ... several of us are insisting on it. A long time ago during your RFA, I was busy sticking up for the folks who were being critical of you because I thought that's the way things were supposed to be done ... I realize belatedly that I was dead wrong on that, and I'm sorry. - Dank (push to talk) 20:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Wowzers. It takes some serious willpower to apologize after the fact, even over the internets, and for that I commend you. I should apologize as well for getting on your case about all this nonsense. After having stewed in our own juices for so long, I think it's safe to say that we've both learned a valuable about ourselves and the nature of the project, and that's all that really matters.
In other news, I currently have an article at FAC. There hasn't been much activity recently despite there being at least one issue that would benefit from broader input. If you're not too busy, any chance you'd like to swing by and leave some thoughts? I'd be happy to return the favor if you're working on any fun projects. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Sure, be happy to review it ... I generally copyedit as I go if that's okay. - Dank (push to talk) 21:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Mi casa es su casa, taco grande. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
el más grande. - Dank (push to talk) 22:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Rwanda peer review

Hi Cryptic

I see the peer review has been "closed and archived" but obviously I hope we can continue through to the end in the slow meandering fashion we have been :) and presumably there's no reason not to continue working on the archived page.

Unfortunately I've been a bit sick recently as well as unusually busy at work, but I will get back to address your latest points on the Economy section as soon as I can.

Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

No worries, mate! We can definitely continue using the peer review page. I may leave additional comments when I get the chance, but I'm not in any hurry whatsoever. Feel better! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 12:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


Just saw that CSI effect is now a FA and wanted to congratlate you. Nice job! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 11:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks mate! It seems you noticed before I did :P The success of this particular FAC proves a very important point in my mind: if you approach any article with an open mind, diligence, and a good deal of patience, it is always possible to bring it up to FA. This holds true even if the article is totally outside of your usual editing comfort zone, with the added bonus that you learn a lot more too! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Abuse defense

The DYK project (nominate) 12:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

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FA Congrats

I enjoyed your CSI effect article. I was wondering if there is a CSI effect where police officers are able to bluff criminals into confessions because they believe that the police officers can prove certain things.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:46, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers mate, glad you liked it! I have heard anecdotes of police dragging confessions out of suspects by convincing them that there is already proof of their guilt. Regardless of whether or not the particular suspect actually committed the crime, they get so anxious and worn out from the interrogation process that they come to believe that they are better off confessing than continuing to profess their innocence. I have not seen anything that connects this with the CSI effect, though it certainly seems plausible. My hunch is that if police interrogators are trying to take advantage of the CSI effect, it's something that they try to prevent the outside world from becoming aware of. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
P.S. I added {{CSI franchise}} to your article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
That template did appear in the article a while back, though Nikkimaria suggested its removal during the article's first FAC. I have never had a strong opinion on the matter, so I removed the template with profound indifference. As such, I have no objection to you reinserting it, though if a mob of concerned editors approaches my talk page with pitchforks, I will kindly redirect them to yours. :) --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Lincoln FAN

Thanks much for taking the time on your review and helping to improve the article. Carmarg4 (talk) 02:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers mate! Keep up the good work. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Trade dollar

Hi Cryptic. I have addressed and responded to your comments at the FAC for Trade dollar (United States coin). Thanks for taking the time to comment!-RHM22 (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Cool beans, I appreciate the heads-up! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem! I used a template that I created, Template:FAClink. Anyway, I've addressed your comment about the lead section. Thanks again for the suggestions to the article!-RHM22 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Snazzy, I may just have to steal that template for future projects. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

CSI effect, once again

You didn't tell me that you got the article to FA. Congratulations. -- llywrch (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, shoot! I had reached out to so many kind people during the process that it was easy to lose track of who had commented on the successful FAC and who had not. Nonetheless, I greatly appreciated your input, and I would be happy to review or collaborate on any future projects of yours if you so choose. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Since you offered... I did list 1931 Constitution of Ethiopia at peer review. While I suspect this article is "B" grade, I'd prefer a second opinion on the matter. More importantly, I have no idea whether the article actually conveys useful information to the average reader -- the person all of us Wikipedians should consider is our audience -- so I'm hoping someone could offer feedback along those lines. Hint. (As for being factually accurate & comprehensive, I'm quite certain that the article is deficient in those areas -- but time & a bit of luck are my best tools to fix those issues.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Heh, very subtle hint. I'll be sure to take a look at the article either tonight or tomorrow. Oddly enough, I also happen to be peer reviewing Rwanda for User:Amakuru. I don't know if his interest in African articles extends to Ethiopia, but I would highly recommend asking him to take a look as well. Three heads are better than two, as they(?) always say. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Most certainly. And if I find the time -- & my 3-year-old distraction doesn't prevent me from it -- I may join you in reviewing that article. The more quality articles on subjects related to Africa -- instead of, say, Family Guy -- the better for Wikipedia, no? -- llywrch (talk) 06:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Have the 3-year-old review it, too! We need more skilled reviewers, and it's good to get them while they're young. Bonus points if she's female or from the southern hemisphere. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 13:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Airbus A330 FAC

Hi! I'm very grateful for your thoughtful comments on the article. Could you please restored the your comments, so anyone who happens to pass by will be able to see your comments without going through its history? Also, are you gearing up for a review of the article's body? If not, according to your stance Lead is solid, I'm taking that you're willing to support it? Anyway, thanks a million :) Sp33dyphil ReadytoRumble 02:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

The resolved comments are on the talk page, a practice which is becoming fairly standard as a means of reducing clutter. Lead is solid means exactly what it says: that the lead is solid. I try to avoid supporting or opposing articles unless I've completed a full review, which is not something that I intend to do for this article. Good luck with the rest of the FAC! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't see the former. Anyway, thanks for your effort, it will go a long way :) Sp33dyphil ReadytoRumble 21:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Charles Holden/archive2

Hi. You left some comments for the FAC above. It's getting near the bottom of the list, so I was wondering if there were any other matters that needed addressing. --DavidCane (talk) 19:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi! The only issues I have with the article are those that are currently not struck. As I am trying to focus on the lead, I will not be adding any new issues to the FAC page. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sack of Amorium FAC

Hello! I've rewritten the central portion of the lede, and added a few more of the main points on the siege. Could you please re-review it? Thank you. Constantine 14:07, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, thank you for the heads-up. I will have a second look approximately 8 hours from now. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

James E. Boyd FAC

Hey, you commented on the first FAC for James E. Boyd (scientist). Figured I'd let you know that I started a second one. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on May 17, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 17, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 18:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Congrats! (On a completely unrelated note, CSD is also used to refer to candidates for speedy deletion (CAT:CSD), so you might want to accept that for your quiz). Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 14:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Cheers mate! Regarding the completely unrelated note, I must admit that it took me a good 30 seconds to figure out what you might be referring to. Sporcle, yes...? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Yep - my other Internet addiction...Nikkimaria (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Wow, Cryptic, you got that article not only thru FAC, but onto the front page fast! Congrats. Too bad it made it to the front page after the last episode of this season aired. -- llywrch (talk) 23:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, the second FAC was fast, but that's only because so much good work was done during and after the first one. As for the main page, this article is just so interesting to such a wide audience that I knew the folks at WP:TFA wouldn't be able to resist :) --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


I believe the nominator has answered your last remaining question. FWIW, Sandy will probably be looking at this one tomorrow night. - Dank (push to talk) 21:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Elements

You once predicted that we would have 1 GA per month. [1] And now our announcements page is getting bloated with GA announcements! :-O Lanthanum-138 (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Rhabdomyolysis FAC

Hello Cryptic C62, thanks for your comments on the rhabdomyolysis FAC. I have addressed your comments. Are you planning to offer further comments on the remainder of the article? JFW | T@lk 10:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

WP Elements in the Signpost

Periodic Table by Quality

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Elements for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 17:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry mate, I haven't edited element articles in a long time. mav, Nergaal, and Stone might still be active. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 19:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cryptic C62 others took over the main work, but a few "older ones" are still active! Enjoy your time and I think we lost a good member of the project! --Stone (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
mav, Nergaal and Stone are still around, to answer your question. If you ever take a look at the periodic table by quality again, you'll be pleasantly surprised. (There's now even a wikitext version.) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 06:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Medal and bagel

CRM.png The Content Review Medal of Merit  
For all your work peer reviewing the Rwanda article over the past couple of months.
And here's a bagel for your troubles as well! Plain-Bagel.jpg
Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Rwanda FAC

Well I've got the ball rolling: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rwanda/archive1. Let's see what the community thinks!  — Amakuru (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Cryptic, this is really something to be proud of, and I think its ok for you to support on prose. You are essentially a reviewer, obviously invested given how much you have inputed, but it will have weight. Its already clear what you role was. Ceoil 11:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Aww, cheers mate! I had a blast with this project, and it feels great to know that someone besides me and Amakuru is enjoying the sweet sweet fruits of our labors. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
My guess is that the article will get a tough roll, but thats to be expected with a core article. Im surprised to be honest it has not gotten a substantive review so far, but it will happen. Best of luck to Amakuru and I suppose yourself, from looking at contribs and waching I know ye are both equal to what might get thrown up. Be prepared that it might not pass this time, but stick with it and it will. I have most of the African country articles watchlised, and have seen this one grow day to day. Work like this makes me think that wiki is not such a sad way to spend time. Best. Ceoil 20:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance (2)

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on June 18, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 18, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article directors Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegate Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! ۞ Tbhotch & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 04:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi Cryptic C62, are you still interested in developing this FAC piece into a Signpost story? If so, here were a few comments to consider. Regards, HaeB (talk) 08:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Shortened lead for Rwanda

Hi Cryptic,

As you may have noticed, two of the reviewers commented that the lead was too long. I have therefore proposed a shortened version at Featured article candidates/Rwanda/archive1/Proposed lead and invited others to comment on this (under TCO's comments on the FAC page). Obviously my big worry with this is that shortening the lead may upset the flow or omit vital facts. Also it may undo some of the work we did together during the peer review phase, so I'd particularly appreciate it if you could have a look and let me know your comments.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Food and drink FAs

Hey Cryptic C62. I noticed at Gumbo's FAN, you mentioned a couple of suggestions that every Food and Drink article should have. I was considering bringing one (or more) of my Food and Drink GAs (Clotted Cream, Stargazy Pie, Squab pie, Pasty, Bacon ice cream, BLT) up to FA, but am not certain about the best way to go about it (never run for an FA before, they're still quite intimidating!) Do you have any suggestions as to which you think might be closest to stand a chance and any suggestions for what might need doing? No rush, I know it's a lot to ask! WormTT · (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey mate, I'd be happy to help you out, or at least try! I definitely understand your dread of the FA process, I was also quite intimidated the first time I gave it a shot. However, like any other aspect of editing Wikipedia, running the FAC gauntlet is something that becomes easier and more familiar over time. Having said that, I'll read through the articles you've mentioned over the next few days and try to pick the one that seems like it would have the best chance. From there, we can work to give a few finishing touches and then see what people have to say about it! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
After browsing the articles you've listed, I feel our time would be best spent on Clotted cream. I will begin leaving comments at Talk:Clotted cream shortly. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Cryptic. I'm a little snowed under this weekend, but will be looking on Monday :) You're a star! WormTT · (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Singaporean editor requested

At Talk:Eugenics in Singapore#POV, confusing. FuFoFuEd (talk) 06:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

File:Common envelope diagram.jpg

Hello Cryptic C62, this image has been vectorized, but I think it urgently need information (against personal interpretation). Can you please control the SVG!? What is the significance of the dotted line, is this unchanged on the small star? Where is the article? In your first version there is also another phase, can this be supplied? Thanks in advance.-- πϵρήλιο 12:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you can directly answer here. There we have the disussion about the pictures. --Calle Cool (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Please ignore this question. I removed the SVG version for now. It's just not worth helping de.wikipedia, there are way too many cranks botching with things they have no idea of. If they don't want science, they shall not get it. -- (talk) 22:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I think you are right. -- πϵρήλιο 03:18, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Short turnaround

Hi Crypic, we happened to be online at roughly the same time today so managed to get your changes suggestions done pretty early on. If you are still online feel free to throw some more at me and we might be able to do some real-time stuff... :) Failedwizard (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Russian battleship Sevastopol (1895) again at Featured article candidacies

Hey Cryptic C62, I see you were a reviewer at one of Sevastopol's many reviews. As it's last FAC was closed due to low participation, I"d like you to come and review it for it's current FAC, in order to get a better picture of its current situation. Thanks, Buggie111 (talk) 02:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


Hi Ryan, How ya been keeping? Do you have any interest or inclination in doing a prose review of a psychedelic drug? I've been meaning to take this article to FAC for some time... Alice says its time now. I've opened up a peer review here and would be grateful for any assistance you could give me in making the FAC smoother. If not, that's fine too, I'll bug you again for something else in the future :) Cheers, Sasata (talk) 17:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm on the case! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

peer review

Hello. Would you be able to peer review the giraffe article? Thank you. LittleJerry (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Can do! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


I was told punctuation in the giraffe article would be a problem with a FA status. Are you going to include punctuation probelm in your review or correct them yourself? LittleJerry (talk) 00:44, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to correct any punctuation issues myself, unless it's not clear to me what the sentence actually means, in which case I'll bring it up on the peer review page. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Clusterf... head

I hover-stalked your contribs and saw your note about File:Clusterhead.jpg. Do you think it would offend reader's sensibilities if it appeared in the psilocybin article? To me, it just seems to fit perfectly... Sasata (talk) 05:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, since psilocybin is a hallucinogen, there's always the risk that someone will think the image is an artist's depiction of a hallucination rather than the symptom of an unrelated condition. But a descriptive caption should be able to clear up any ambiguity. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Peer review

Thanks for peer reviewing the giraffe article. Stfg has copyedited it so I feel it is not ready for an FA nomination. LittleJerry (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

Hi Cryptic,

So the AAC article didn't make the criteria in time, which is a bit sad, but I really wanted to thank you for the time you spent reviewing the article - it was really helpful to have a fresh pair of eyes go over it. I certainly know that if you wanted to continue your comments over on the article talk page, that would be really welcomed by all of us - we're keen on improving the article regardless the outcome. Thanks again. Failedwizard (talk) 18:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to thank you for your very informative and helpful review on AAC. And Failedwizard is quite right to say that if you can bear to continue the review on the talkpage of the article, we'd be very grateful. --Poule (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again. For keeping going and for making it your focus. It's massively appreciated. We definitely owe you big. Failedwizard (talk) 19:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

To keep you updated, we've not renominated yet and won't be for a while, but will certainly call you when we do :) Now just to find someone to review my GA nomination as well :( Failedwizard (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

A request

Hi, Cryptic C62. You did me a big favor once when you took time to review Empire of Brazil and give your support for its promotion to FA. It was a little rough, but it was necessary. Since I have a deep respect for you as a reviewer I came here to ask you (if you have the time to and is interested, of course) to take a look on my latest FA candidate: Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias. Since it's a heavily related subject to Empire of Brazil, you'll be on an easier ground here. Kind regards, --Lecen (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad that you thought to ask me, and I would be happy to help! My real-life schedule is somewhat hectic for the next couple of weeks, so I may not always be able to provide timely responses, but I will try to give you a good chunk of useable feedback later this evening. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm more than happy to hear that! I'll be waiting for your comments. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Duke of Caxias

I changed the section from "Between family and loyalty to the crown" to "Wars and military crises" Is it better? --Lecen (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's a FA now. I know you were very busy and I'm glad you were able to review the article and make suggestions for its improvement. Thank you very much! --Lecen (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for peer review

Thank you for excellent comments in the peer review of the Genome-wide association study article! I'll look it through during the week --LasseFolkersen (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Now I nominated the genome-wide association study article for featured article. Since you helped with the peer review, I thought perhaps you would be interested in this. --LasseFolkersen (talk) 07:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Rwanda request

Hey Cryptic,

It's been a really long time but I finally may be able to devote a little more time to Wikipedia again with no. 1 priority obviously being to give a final push to the unfinished FAC for Rwanda. Unfortunately it looks like you've not been around for a couple of months so I'm probably too late to get your input for the moment. But as and when you do have a spare moment please let me know as I'd really appreciate your input.

I have been working, over at User:Amakuru/Draft 1, on what I think was the biggest problem at FAC, the length of the history section. I have put the current paragraphs in, alongside reduced versions. If you have time please could you see if the reductions make sense, or if I've cut too much / the wrong bits. Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate, it's good to hear that you're still working on Rwanda. I've been crazy busy in real life, but I'd be happy to give some feedack when things calm down a little bit. Keep bugging me about it, I swear I'll get my act together soon! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Real Life Barnstar.jpg The Real Life Barnstar
CRYPTIC!! Thank you so much for coming to GLAMcamp and bringing your great smile and willingness to help. I can't wait to see what comes out of it - both on your end, our end, everyone's end..ok...this is getting silly. You know what I mean. :) See you I hope sooner than later!! SarahStierch (talk) 01:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


Owner of this sweater?

Hello Cryptic,

I'm not sure I'm on the right userpage, but are you the owner of this shirt ? Beacause I really like it, I'd like to have one and maybe create a couple for French-Canadian ambassadors. The only problem is that I can't find it on Cafe Press. So if you're the owner of the sweater, please let me now where I can find it. Thanks in advance, Benoit Rochon (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate! I am indeed the owner of that sweatshirt. It was given to me as part of the Online Ambassador program, and I'm not sure how they had the sweatshirts produced. I think your best bet would be to ask User:Ragesoss about it. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Rwanda again

Hi Cryptic, just to let you know I have now put Rwanda back up for FAC so we'll see how it goes. If you have any last minute thoughts or the time to look at it, please let me know! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Help me Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

So some time ago you gave an FAC review to Augmentative_and_alternative_communication in our hour of need. I've gone back to FAC with another article, stephen_hawking, and it's kind of suffering from lack of reviews. Would it be possible at all for you to review it? I'm aware I'm racking up the favours here...

Fayedizard (talk) 08:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much :) I've been suitably gushing with thank yous on the review page (where, as it happens, I've also responded to much of the feedback, with a couple of requests for clarification here and there)
Fayedizard (talk) 08:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to Simmons women's history editathon

We Can Edit.jpg

Hi Ryan! On Tuesday of next week, we'll be holding an editathon at Simmons College for Women's History Month. The event is being advertised to library science grad students as a workshop for new editors. While this will mostly be newbies from the Simmons GSLIS community, I am hoping some local Wikipedians will come join in as well, and I'll be begin to spread the word and put an announcement in the geonotice soon. This is all going to be very informal, but, in particular, I would appreciate if you could be there to help me assist the new editors.

Please let me know if you can can make it. Thanks! Dominic·t 22:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up! I will most certainly be there, though I will probably not be able to arrive until 5:30ish. Still, that should give me plenty of time to whip the noobs into shape. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi again Cryptic

Hope everything's going well. I notice you are a little bit more on-wiki this week so just wondered if you would have time to give Rwanda a look over and comment on the ongoing FAC. After a shaky start, it seems to be looking a bit more promising this time, if I can get the remaining issues ironed out before someone closes the FAC (the biggest task seems to be putting in a paragraph about foreign relations/military which I will hopefully be able to cover soon). So if you have any time to provide commentary on the updates, or to support/oppose the FAC then that'd be good.

PS - Just been listening to some of your guitar music on YouTube. Good stuff! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Done! RE:PS - How'd ya find out about my music? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Well your WP user page says that you're a professional guitarist and it also gives your "real life" name so it wasn't really difficult to find :) and I'm always on the look out for interesting things to listen to while I'm at my desk...  — Amakuru (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I've dealt with all your bad points now! Thanks again  — Amakuru (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I think the pub is a good idea...

Export hell seidel steiner.png So once again you come in my hour of need and once again I don't quite make it over the line - thank you so much for your help, really - that article is so much better as a result of the process and as a result of your review. It's just a shame that it couldn't be done. At some point I'll have to buy you a beer in person - and also thanks for starting the PR on SGD - I should now have a spare moment to respond :) I owe you dude. Much love. Fayedizard (talk) 21:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You're invited! New England Wikimedia General Meeting

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New England Wikimedia General Meeting

The New England Wikimedia General Meeting will be a large-scale meetup of all Wikimedians (and friends) from the New England area in order to discuss regional coordination and possible formalization of our community (i.e., a chapter). Come hang out with other Wikimedians, learn more about ongoing activities, and help plan for the future!
Potential topics:
Sunday, April 22
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Boston Public Library—Central Library
700 Boylston St., Boston MA 02116
Please sign up here: Wikipedia:Meetup/New England!

Message delivered by Dominic at 09:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC). Note: You can remove your name from this meetup invite list here.

Uncork the champagne

Hi Cryptic

So we finally made it to FAC with Rwanda... feels like it was an epic journey. Thanks again for all your assistance with it over the past year and a bit.

I think I'll have a breather for a couple of months after this, maybe use my limited spare time for some off-Wiki projects, but I'm also mulling over which article to tackle next. Probably something far less ambitious than a country-level article! Anyway, all the best and I hope to cross Wiki-paths with you again in the future.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Aye, an epic journey indeed, and one which I am very proud to have seen to a successful end. Have you considered writing about this guy next? I imagine there would be a decent amount of overlap in the sources that you used for Rwanda. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hartenstein review

Thanks for your review! I believe to have addressed your comments. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


Finished the last two requests. LittleJerry (talk) 03:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Iraq War in Anbar Province

Hi, thanks for your comments. Can you take a look and see if I've addressed them properly? Palm_Dogg (talk) 12:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Finished the Human Rights abuses section. Palm_Dogg (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Cool beans, I'll go take a look at it right now. Thanks for the heads up! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Continuous flash suppression at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chemical endangerment

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Continuous flash suppression

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Continuous flash suppression at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


Would you mind taking a look at the FAC of Ra.One? Thanks. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 12:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure! I'm away from home this weekend, so I probably won't have time to give it my full attention, but once I return I shall give it a look. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much :). ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 07:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. You have messages on the FAC board. Please check. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 11:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Corrections have been added, though I have kept the strikes so as to not get confused with which problem has been rectified and which hasn't (due to the length of the FAC). Certain points require some discussion, so I hope you could come aboard. Cheers. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 04:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Cuts have been made in the article. For the FAC, could you look up the resolved comments you placed? If you are satisfied, please move the resolved comments to the FAC's respective talk page to avoid cluttering the nomination. Thanks. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 07:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I left a comment somewhere after seeing an edit of yours

Here:[2] About peer reviews being ignored/required. Biosthmors (talk) 02:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I responded to Biosthmors post and proposed a plan for action. Thanks a lot for reviewing students' work. They frequently do not respond to feedback, and the best way that I know to deal with this is to contact their professors and emphasize that real people review Wikipedia articles and that their time is valuable. I appreciate what you did and I am sorry that you were taken for granted. In the future, consider sending new editors to the WP:TEAHOUSE. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Maya Angelou

Hi Cryptic, I just completed your very picky peer review of this article. Which I appreciated! I thought you'd like to know so you can look at some of my questions that came up while addressing your feedback. Again, thanks for the PR. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:59, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey just finished addressing your added comments. Thanks again! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! I have the peer review page on my watchlist. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 19:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Continuous flash suppression

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Prepatellar bursitis

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Prepatellar bursitis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Secretlondon (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Observations from a passerby

I am fully aware of my mistakes, as well as that my particular response was... unhelpful. I simply had a bad moment when I was reviewing the article (I just shouldn't do reviews when I should rather go get some sleep). I can't undo it, which is why I hesitated so far from providing a further review. Nowhere do I think that any of the editors or you are idiots, and I appreciate that Tourbillon nonetheless did take it up to consider my comments. Hope this clarifies my viewpoint. Cheers, Nageh (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


Hello. Yes please, I would really appreciate that. Though I was thinking of opening up a peer review, so it would be more convenient. I'll start it today, and you can detail all the problems you find over there. Many thanks for taking the time to help improve the article :). Cheers. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 04:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The peer review has been opened; you can go to it here. Thanks again. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 07:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

With your permission, I would like to move resolved comments to the peer review's talk page. I will assume that the comments which remain struck out are resolved. Your thoughts please. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 08:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
That seems a rather silly assumption to make when one considers that you were the person who struck the comments in the first place. Your time would be better spent by finding and fixing problems in the article, particularly those that were pointed out by others during the FAC, than by worrying about how neat the peer review page is. I'll take care of that when I feel the problems have been resolved. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Fine. Some updates have taken place. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 08:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
P.S. - Could you update me on the article's word count? When I use the prose size tool, the word count is coming as 12 (he he). ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 15:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you intend to continue the peer review of this article? I can understand if you are busy, but if you are unable to continue, please say so. Thanks. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 08:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I do not intend to continue peer reviewing Ra.One. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 13:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the notification. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 16:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Metalloid PR

Hello Cryptic C62. Thank for your discerning and thought provoking review. Will you be providing any more comments? Sandbh (talk) 12:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if you're still interested. If I don't leave any notes in the couple of days, poke me again. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 19:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
That's good; I'm still interested. I intend to ask for another A-class review but will await and consider your futher comments before proceeding. Thanks again. Sandbh (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
You can add more comments at the GAN for the metalloid article. Double sharp (talk) 14:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Erm, I'm a little confused by this. Sandbh said he wanted more comments before submitting the article for evaluation, but Double sharp went ahead and submitted GA. Are you guys communicating with each other about this? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, A is now above GA in WP:ELEM - times have changed slightly since you slowed down activity there in 2010. I thought that this would be a good place for intermediate feedback between the PR (now closed) and the A-class review. Double sharp (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Double sharp is on the mark. I was awaiting your further comments and intending to act on those before asking folks for a final verdict on my A-class review request. In the meantime, without my knowledge but with best intent, Double sharp nominated the article for GA. I was going to wait and see what the outcome of that process in the course of revisiting the A-class situation. My intention all along has been to obtain A-class, rest, and then work on attaining FA standard. Sandbh (talk) 10:27, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi again Cryptic 62. I'm not going to ask anyone for a GA review. So, on the presumption that no one else will do GA I'd still be grateful for any peer review comments. Yours have been very good. I'm also now very happy with the overall construction of the article, having spun off a fair amount of content. If you have any more comments I'll act on those b4 asking some folks for an A-class review. Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 12:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


Have sent you an email. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Erm, are you sure you actually sent it? I haven't gotten any new mail... --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I send you an email via wiki because I need an email address from you. If you email me than I can get it to you.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hey, I found that you are doing some awesome work in film articles. Keep up the good efforts. Thanks. Secret of success (talk) 14:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


Hey man,

A little while ago we started working though the peer review of Speech_generating_device - is it possible we might restart that work? I'm gearing back in the direction of wikipedia quickly… Fayedizard (talk) 23:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate! Somehow I missed this message, but yes, I would be happy to continue working on it with you. Ping me in a few days if I forget to leave some fresh comments. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

tammar wallaby FAC

Hello, would you be able to review the tammar wallaby article and check if it is comprehensive enough and if the MOS is right? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 03:18, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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The article is much improved since it's previous FAC, and your input would be appreciated at the current McCartney FAC. ~ GabeMc (talk) 22:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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Your periodic tables

Are you interested in looking at your 3 periodic tables for WP:ELEM 2 years after you last updated them? The page views and article value tables have stagnated until I updated them today. The quality table has been continually updated by Stone and me most of the time. Double sharp (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Nope, I'm not interested in the periodic table anymore, though it makes me glad to see that you guys are still passionate about turning the entire Quality table green and blue. Keep at it, chaps! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
It certainly looks a lot nicer than 2 years ago, with a huge patch of GAs almost sweeping completely across the entire table. (We have over 60 GAs now! But still only 17 FAs.) Double sharp (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


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I don't mind having to do more work and more research, but bringing up AFD, hey man, that's just not cool :'(. You should check back (presumably you're the tag-along reviewer in this case?) ResMar 01:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What has changed? The sourcing is still problematic and the language is still pretentious. The examples I gave at the review page were just that: examples. Not a complete run through. Ping me if you do anything substantial. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hmph. So be it. ResMar 02:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Neither the remark about AFD nor my previous comment were intended to belittle your efforts. My goal is the same as yours: to improve the article. A reviewer cannot hope to achieve anything if he tiptoes around the article's flaws; he must be brutally honest to be of any use. After having worked so extensively on volcanoes, it might take some time to grow accustomed to the curiosities of writing about video games, but you'll make it work. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Anteater peer review

Hello, would you be able to peer review the anteater article? LittleJerry (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'll do it gladly. By the way, Congratz on Tammar wallaby! Was that your first successful FA? I know you've sent a few animals through GAN, but I couldn't recall whether or not I had seen you at FAC. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. The giraffe article was my first successful FA. You actually reviewed the lead section. LittleJerry (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Angelou reviews

Hi Cryptic, thought you might be interested, since you peer reviewed Maya Angelou: it and List of Maya Angelou works are up for FAC and FLC currently. I inform you because both haven't received the reviews they need as of yet. Could you go to both--Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Maya Angelou works/archive1 and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Maya Angelou/archive1‎--and do what you can? It would be muchly appreciated. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Anteater FAC

The peer review has been archived. I put the article up for FAC. You can continue there. LittleJerry (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


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I think I have addressed all of your concerns. If you would be so kind as to take a look at it, I would appreciate it. GregJackP Boomer! 22:04, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I think I've got it this time. :) GregJackP Boomer! 12:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Right whale

The article has been improved since you !voted for a "Delist" in the FAR. Mind giving it a second look? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi Cryptic - your feedback is excellent. Tearing into some of my most recent edits - obvious mistakes I see now. Working overtime and making mistakes. Thanks for the help - looking forward to seeing the rest of your comments.Thompsma (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Ditto ... funny, when Mark mentioned he was putting the article up for PR I immediately thought we could use you to dissect the prose, and was about to send you a request to that effect! Sasata (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


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I've addressed your last comments, could you take a look? Thanks. GregJackP Boomer! 21:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Not completely done, but made some significant progress. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your convenience. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 19:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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I just saw that you volunteered to do a peer review of the DID page and wanted to know if anyone was interested in you doing this. My answer - yes, yes, yes, yes, yes - oh yes! Please. :) ~ty (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Yippee!!!! Review away! I am excited to have new eyes on this! There is nothing wrong with slow and sporadic when there is control - I think. Thank you so, so, so MUCH!!!!! :) ~ty (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
You must still be on your two week long vacation and I am sure it's a well deserved one. I hope you are having a wonderful time and you return safe and rested. I just wanted to warn you that we have not been as patient as we should have been during your absence. I hope you can forgive us. I was once the lone girl among the 2 boys, but it seems 2 more girls and at least 1 more boy have joined the editing process on the DID page. :) Tanya ♥♫ 20:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Yay! I am ready to dig into the DID article when you are. I hope you had a wonderful vacation! Tylas ♥♫ 22:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Good Morning Ryan! I am working on the issues you brought up last night and while we are on that bottom paragraph under Diagnosis - I looked at it line by line. I put my comments on the talk [page]. Should I leave them there and you can address what you want on the peer review page or should I put them on the peer review page. ;) Tylas ♥♫ 15:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


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If you could take another look, I would appreciate it. GregJackP Boomer! 11:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for the delay, I've been traveling for the past week or so. I will continue the review either tonight or tomorrow. Cheers! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Georgia Tech Research Institute

It looks like the FAC was archived, which wasn't terribly surprising. Did you have any other advice on the article? I particularly valued your suggestions. Disavian (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Let's do a line-by-line prose review. You can start a peer review page if you'd like, but if not I'll just make a section for it on the talk page. I may not get to it until Friday, but it will get gotten to at some point. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 00:36, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. Disavian (talk) 03:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I finally got some time to take care of those particular issues. Feel free to tear up the next couple paragraphs :) Disavian (talk) 05:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I fixed the most recent issues that you pointed out on the GTRI talk page. :) Disavian (talk) 04:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I have another round of fixes for you. Thanks :) Disavian (talk) 04:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I love the collapsed box for the resolved issues. Anyway, I took another stab at the remaining issues you have discovered thus far. Disavian (talk) 20:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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The main issue that I had with your review was that it forced some odd things onto the article. I agree with the general sentiment that both subject experts and laypeople should be reviewing articles at FAC. However, what particularly annoys me is when laypeople force their own requirements on the article, that are unfounded. For example, it's a particularly bad idea to say that there's thousands of cars each day in the lead of the article, because you could copy and paste that into the lead of most California road articles. Not a great idea for a summary of the route; it would be like saying that the road is black, and paved, and has signs, and that cars drive on it, all in the lead. A lot of my fellow road editors would have put something like that in the lead to pacify the reviewer, and then would have taken it right out the moment the FAC archiving bot runs. That's not how I like to do things, and thus I objected very strongly to that suggestion, and some of the others that you made. --Rschen7754 20:24, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


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Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars FAC

Thanks for the comments, I left a few responses. :) --Khanassassin 10:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I organized the reception section a bit more like you wanted it! :) Best, --Khanassassin 16:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Could your comments be moved to the talk page in the fashion SandyGeorgia/Axem Titanium's were, for faster loading times and easier navigation? Best, --Khanassassin 20:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I will do it after this class when I'm not on a touchscreen. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Highway 61 Revisited

Hi Cryptic C62, I just noticed you thank us for addressing the concerns & issue you raised re this FAC. Does this mean you now support? best, Mick gold (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I generally prefer to reserve my "support" !vote for when I have reviewed the entire article in question. I don't plan on expanding my review here, so "resolved comments" seems like the most fair !vote I can give. If any of the delegates make a fuss about it (which probably won't happen, as I have reviewed regularly in the past), feel free to link to this comment. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 19:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciated the feedback you provided concerning this FA-nomination, and I responded tonight (though I have not had any opportunity to yet edit the article). I'm committed to the article on-going and would like to see it through to FA-status. Thanks. joepaT 23:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for looking at the article. Can you please do a quick spotcheck? LittleJerry (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you please help with the copyediting? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Although, as some of the comments were hard to satisfy, my work on this page will continue for a while more until it is anywhere near ready for GAN.

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  • found pubmed reference to cocaine causing mouth ulceration, but no other recreational drugs. Suspect there are more. Lesion (talk) 22:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Cryptic, you saucy devil: I am stuck. Badly stuck. Woe is me. I cannot figure out how to do a thing. Can you help me do this thing? Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Having a bit of a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde moment there?  — Amakuru (talk) 12:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Heh, I was demonstrating how to leave messages on a talk page for a herd of newbies. In retrospect I should have deleted this before anyone noticed :P Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Aha, it all makes sense now! So you have become a teacher, spreading the wikiknowledge to a whole new generation of bright young things! Is that in person, or online? Hope all's well otherwise.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Mostly in person at this point, but as the semester progresses, I may have the opportunity to apply my fine-tooth reviewing comb from the comfort of my chair. What are you working on lately? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cryptic, my current project is Paul Kagame, which I started working on mainly because of a request from User:Lemurbaby (another editor with interest in Rwanda). There's some overlap there with the material I wrote for Rwanda, so makes life a bit easier. Basically I've mostly rewritten everything there in the article now down to and including the Presidency section (but not the lead yet). I'm probably going to aim a bit lower and try for GA in the first instance, because time is limited and I could envisage an FA push being quite difficult, not least because it's quite a controversial topic with varying perspectives from different sources. How about yourself, do you have your teeth into any article writing or peer review at the moment?  — Amakuru (talk) 13:58, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm currently taking a course which is elaborately titled "Scope and Dynamics of Conflict in Africa", and I chose to focus on Somalia for my case study. In the course of my research, I happened to stumble upon a recent human rights controversy which I intend to create an article about. I've started compiling references in my sandbox, and I'll probably push for DYK and maybe GAN at some point. I'm also doing a bit of peer reviewing here and there. When you want another pair of eyes on Paul Kagame, or if you'd like to jump in with my Somalia article, I'd be a Giant panda drawing.png happy panda to collaborate with you again! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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Structure of Camouflage

Hallo Cryptic, thank you very much (first of all) for your detailed and perceptive comments on Camouflage, and let me also at once apologize for taking up your time. I think you've probably noticed that I've been struggling a bit on my first FAC, with the rather constrained dialogue that's possible on the FAC page. However the article is already in better shape. I've actioned (I hope satisfactorily) all the items bar one, which needs some thought: the structure (organisation) of the article. You've correctly pointed out that military gets extended coverage both in its own section and throughout the principles parts of the article (crypsis, mimesis, etc). Hope it's OK to discuss this here (I'm unsure of the rules around all this)? Obviously we don't want repetition beyond the normal lead/body (and perhaps overview) arrangement. I'm not at all sure how a separate 'principles' section would work if it wasn't to use either animal or military examples; on the other hand, having the principles in an 'animal' (biology, nature) section and referring to that from the military doesn't seem ideal either. I have time and energy for a reorg if needed, but was wondering what you felt might be the neatest solution? It does seem on reflection to be a good thing to have some kind of comparison of animal and military solutions: we could for instance have a table with a row for mimesis (animal and mil. examples), a row for concealment of shadow, etc. The pre-FAC article attempted this informally with image galleries; a table or some more formal structure could be an answer. In which case we'd have "In animals", "Military", table of comparisons, then the civilian sections. --- thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Hallo again, I see you've struck several of your original comments but I'm not sure of the status of the others. Are you now reasonably happy with the article, or are there further actions required? I believe all your concerns have been addressed. With many thanks for your time - Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Shavarsh Krissian DYK

I believe I have resolved all issues. Thank you. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Somali rape controversy

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Hey mate, I'm glad to see that someone else has taken an interest in the Ibrahim rape controversy. I'm a bit concerned about the Task force section that you recently added. Unless I am mistaken, the source does not mention the detention or imprisonment of Ibrahim. Without a firm connection, the Task force section would constitute synthesis and should be removed from the article. But perhaps I simply missed something; could you point out where the sources indicate that the task force is related to the Ibrahim controversy? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:09, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The Ibrahim case is the "case that is ongoing in Mogadishu" that the Task Force is to "review whether due process had been followed" (c.f. [3]). The Task Force is also mentioned in this AP piece on the affair [4]. That piece was linked to on the wiki page, yet for some odd reason there was no mention of the panel. In fact, the link was dead. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 21:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see, thanks. Yes, there is no doubt that the "case that is ongoing in Mogadishu" refers to Ibrahim and Osman. Still, I worry that including the Task force section in the Ibrahim article may mislead readers into thinking that the task force was created in response to the Ibrahim incident, which, based on the articles you've linked to, doesn't seem to be the case. The xikmo article gave much more prominence to the journalist killings, which are unrelated to the Ibrahim incident.
In brief: If the task force was created in response to Ibrahim, we should find a source which says so. If not, I don't believe it should be given an entire top-level section in this article. Thoughts? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
It's not indicated that the Task Force was created in response to the Ibrahim affair, but rather concurrently with it. The AP article indicates this as well. The reason why it's mentioned at that level is because the Task Force will be investigating that case during its three-month mandate to see if due process has been accorded. If the committee decides that it has not been accorded, then Ibrahim will probably be released early. Middayexpress (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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For silently correcting my typo here. I was hoping for a new keyboard from Santa but sadly it didn't happen. Perhaps next year... --John (talk) 19:18, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries! Does your current keyboard not support the "iew" ligature? :P --Cryptic C62 · Talk 19:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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Could you take a look? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 18:40, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It seems others have beaten me to it. Drop a note here when you send it to FAC, I'll add a review. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


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Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012 FA Review

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Just writing to see how you're doing and to reply to your message up above. The Paul Kagame article is coming along quite nicely; it's up at WP:GAN at the moment, and I'm almost there with the points that User:Lemurbaby, a user living in Rwanda the moment, came up with so hopefully that will get the nod soon. Moving on from there Lemurbaby thinks it's already not that far off FA status so if at some point you have the time to get some eyes on the article and come up with some of your superb bagel-themed comments as you did with Rwanda then that would be great. Let me know if you'd like to do it through the peer review process, or as part of a formal FA candidature, or just ad hoc, just let me know. If you're too busy then that's no problem either, of course!

Interesting that you're doing the "Scope and Dynamics of Conflict in Africa" course. How is that going? I'd be happy to help out with your Somalia work if there's anything I can do. I'll have a look through those sources and see what it's all about, when I have a spare moment. Thanks and all the best!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Further to the above, the GA passed and per the reviewer's recommendation I have now opened up an FAC for this. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paul Kagame/archive1 . If you'd like to have a look and cast your expert eye on it then please let me know. Similarly if there's anything I can do for you at the moment, let me know as well. Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the GA review on pregnancy from rape.

I will work on cleaning up some of your comments.Casprings (talk) 13:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Just got back to working on your comments. I am to the footnotes now. Sorry for the delay.Casprings (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (bug 52012, scrolling (bug 52014 and deleting (bug 52013 on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (bug 51741 Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (bug 36000 Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
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There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

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RfC on WP:LQ RE: "demonstrably"

In your contribution to the most recent reevaluation of WP:LQ you say that American-style punctuation is "demonstrably inferior" to British-style punctuation. This information would be very relevant to the discussion itself. So far, no one has reported even one case of either style outperforming the other under non-hypothetical conditions, so if you've witnessed something, you could make a real contribution by describing it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 05:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Simple: Using TQ, it is not clear if punctuation comes from the original quote or not. Using LQ, the ambiguity disappears. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Clearly canvassing. Not interested. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (bug 50749 or in image captions (bug 52427) Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (bug 52159 Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (bug 51462 We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (bug 33094 You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (bug 52441 Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab ↹ and ⇧ Shift+Tab ↹ key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (bug 52113

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (bug 51565

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 5

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "Enable the visual editor. It will be available in the following namespaces: $1".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

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Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...

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Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.

New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??

New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges

News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions

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VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or ← Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the ⇧ Shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control+⇧ Shift+V or ⌘ Command+⇧ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [5] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change to to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ Schilling 2002, p. 101