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Telsiai, Telshe, Telz

Hey Crz, I need your assistance. I've begun a rework of the page on Telz Yeshiva. Here's the problem - In Lithuanian, the town is called Telsiai, in Russian Telshe and in Yiddish its Telz. The yeshiva is legally registered as The Rabbinical College of Telshe, but known in the yeshiva world as Telz. The page was originally under Telz Yeshiva, then some genius diverted it to Telshe yeshiva, without a capital "y" for yeshiva. If yeshiva is to be part of the name, then it should have a capital. I've now diverted it to Telshe Yeshiva, but now a diversion page appears when one goes to Telz Yeshiva. Would you mind having a look at it? Many thanks Telzer 15:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

With regards to name preferences, it would make sense that in an Encyclopedia, the correct name should be used. That is the Rabbinical College of Telshe. Problem with that, however, is all the many links to Telz Yeshiva. To my knowledge, there are no links to Telshe Yeshiva. If it must stay Telshe Yeshiva, let's make it Telshe Yeshiva (capital y in yeshiva) and not Telshe yeshiva. I will also ammend this point in the opening paragraph of the article, which claims the yeshiva has numerous names. It has only one name but is colloquially referred to by other names. Many thanks Telzer 02:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telzer: Wikipedia naming conventions call for a small "y" in the case of "Telz yeshiva" (or if you prefer: "Telshe yeshiva") because in any case, as you correctly note, it's not even the yeshiva's official name. Please read Wikipedia:Guide to layout and Wikipedia:Tutorial (Formatting) for more information about this. Thank you. IZAK 06:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Crz, and of course Izak, who seems to be watching certain people's user talk pages, I don't know if you want to bother working on my initial suggestions. It seems that someone has already gone to work on it and arrived at a different conclusion. I've worked for hours on preparing a rework of the entire article as it is pathetic in scope and information. I don't think, however, that I will bother completing it as individuals who don't really know that much about the place have a habit of altering parts of it. Any true disciple of the Rabbinical College of Telshe values highly academic accuracy and so I find some of the alterations intolerable. Thanks for your time anyway. Telzer 08:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S. If "naming conventions" call for a small "y" even when the name "Yeshiva" is incorporated into the legal name of the institute, then someone should change the entry Yeshiva University to yeshiva University. Telzer 08:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Telzer: That's precisely the point, Yeshiva University is its legal name so then it is correct to have upper-case (capital letters) "Y" & "U". But "Telshe yeshiva" is it's common name and not it's legal name, so then it is correct for it to be "Telshe yeshiva" on Wikipedia. My impression was that you were using the "Y" in "Telshe Yeshiva" as an honorific for the institution, and not as a matter of "legalese." If you look at the Category:Orthodox yeshivas, you will see that some yeshivas are referrred to by their legal names whereas others are referred to by their common names or popular names. In all cases, whichever is ultimately chosen (and Wikipedia must consider the fact that a name has popular usage that may outweigh the need for using a legal name, as long as it's stated in the introduction), WP:REDIRECT will have to be utilized to connect common names with legal names and vice versa. By the way, let us continue this discussion on Talk:Telshe yeshiva#Best name for the institution and this article. Thank you. IZAK 09:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd like to know the source for your assertion that "yeshiva" must be spelled with a lower case "y" when used in the title of various yeshivas. Universities do not seem to use these guidelines and use a capital "U" in university. Grammatically, when a word is used as a specific noun, it has a capital. For example, bridge. When used in a title, like, George Washington Bridge, the "B" in bridge becomes a capital. (See Thus, in the instance of a specific yeshiva, such as "Mir Yeshiva" the "y" should be capitalized too.


I tried with the tutorial, but how do I get a picture on someones page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shy1520 (talkcontribs) .

placed speedy tag

Please take a look at this- it is a fake chassidc group (it is a nickname of what the other side of the disputed bobov fight wants the 48th street rebbe to be called.) I tried a redirect, but to no avail.

thanksJJ211219 15:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

looks liek it was once discussed. as Kartchin. was the result deletion?

Spaceeba Tovarisch!JJ211219 15:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)



The derogatory-intended nickname is actually usually used by followers of the Bobover Rebbe of 48 for the bobover rebbe of 45th. so therefore someone made a hoax al gabey hoax and titled the 48 rebbe with the Kartchin Moniker...

I am very familiar with the chassidic world and I am 10000% confident of this hoax. it's not even a splinter group.. its like some people calling the satmar rebbe the flintsone rebbe and that getting a "NPOV" wikipage.... (i will place this explanation in the discussion as well.)

shalom JJ211219 15:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

reb BZ halberstam of bobov

I deleted the kartchin line from that page. and also, i dont see hebrew links.. il try another browser (im using firefox at the moment.)

JJ211219 15:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC) PS:

I'm ashamed

I feel kind of defiled and pained as a Chassidishe Person that the entire world has to see what twenty or so screwballs are doing to each other in the court of public opinion. let me say to those reading this that this does not reflect the vast majority of chassidic jews.

What happened to Avodas Hashem? Taharah? Kedusha? Hello world??? :(

15:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Kartchin (Hasidic dynasty)

Please take a look there and at the talk page. Need some help here. --Daniel575 16:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

hoax "al gabey" hoax

my bad.. I assumed anyone voting nay or aye for Kartchin would be someone that also understood my non english words.

JJ211219 16:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Capt. Kranski's CSD

A "claim" of a grammy nomination should not have protected that excrement from being speedily Speedied. :) --DarkAudit 16:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


FYI - I deprodded - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough - I may well have been overly harsh on this one --Peripitus (Talk) 21:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible GNAA hoaxes

You may want to check the pages for Richard Carney, Larry Fish, and Smegmer Kennington before they're deleted. They're all identical articles. A link posted on the Fish page (since deleted) is a GNAA-related link. I have reason to believe the original author and the author who posted the link are GNAA operatives. After checking the link (and escaping the flood of popups that followed... I love my Firefox!), I tagged the articles as CSD-vandalism. --DarkAudit 22:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on closing AfD

  • I enjoyed "The result of the debate was Keep per opinions beyond the usual reflexive school inclusionism" :-) --A Y Arktos\talk 22:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Peter Merholz and Adaptive Path

Since you participated in the AfD for Peter Merholz, I thought I should ask you about the status of the article for his company, Adaptive Path. There is currently no Adaptive Path article, but the deletion log for Adaptive Path at shows multiple deletions of apparently vandalized articles, and evidence that the company has a lot of enemies. I looked at , and it seems to be interesting. If you think it is notable by Wikipedia standards, please consider writing an article about it. Given the history of the article, I would rather leave any recreation of the article to an admin than attempt it myself. The company's web site describes the company as: "A User Experience design and consulting firm that unites theory and practice to advance the art of user experience design while helping clients make better business decisions. Located in San Francisco, California, USA." TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 23:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Pictures

I am trying to put a picture on a site. Can you go by it step by step?

Surf breaks AfD

Hooray, the shouting paid off.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Short pages with dictdef notices

I have encountered several pages with Template:Wi that are newly created with no evidence of there having been a deleted dictdef or any other history—which it is apparently the purpose of that template to discourage—or even any article linking there. (This user also happens to be creating thousands of new redirects).

Is there any policy that covers this? This user appears to be going through the dictionary or something, and led to its logical conclusion, and with the prevalence of scripts/semi-bots or total bots, the result is that every dictionary word has a page on Wikipedia with a link to Wiktionary. If that is to be done, the proper way to do it is to make it a part of the MediaWiki message that appears with non-existent pages.

CSD A3 could be interpreted to cover this, but it would also qualify dictdef pages for which it is apparently agreed there is good use for Template:Wi. —Centrxtalk • 04:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nigga know technology, now Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nigga know technology 2

I replied on my talk page. Quarl (talk) 2006-07-06 05:56Z


The article says it: "most notable for his translation of english Sahih Bukhari". And tranlating the Qur'an is notable in it self. --Striver 16:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me, its a waste of wikipedia resureses, there is no question regarding his notability, but you do as you wish. --Striver 16:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

lunch time

I'm off to lunch. Wanna finish off Category:Orphaned fairuse images as of 28 June 2006? - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Done, but the very lastone was free use, not fair use, as it was tagged {{PD-self}}, so I didn't delete it. -- Avi 17:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

HMS Fiji (C58)‎ -- thanks

It looks like maybe you're helping with the issue I identified in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Link-spamming from someone in the IP address block


I think I've gotten about all of the links from the IP addresses I identified, but I have not checked all the other IP addresses in this block.

I actually left the HMS Fiji (C58) link since it looked like our spammer was hosting a legitimate veterans' group and I just did not have the heart to delete them. The association probably doesn't even suspect this guy's business model. I'm probably too soft, since I'm a Navy veteran and my old boat's web site is funded by a few ads, although not by a spamdexer like Mr. On the other hand, it certainly doesn't have to be linked to Wikipedia, so you are quite justified in deleting it.

I keep seeing your name all over Wikipedia -- thanks for all you do.

--A. B. 18:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Warren Kinsella

Thanks for your work on Warren Kinsella. Would you mind also semi-protecting talk page. (I assume an admin needs to do this.) Now that the article is protected, the vandalism has spilled to the talk page and I'm getting tired of reverting it. HistoryBA 18:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

What's this odd link?

Someone linked an article to this page. On the surface, it looks like a one-page site about "MILFs". When I use Google, however, I find a bunch of Russian (or at least Cyrillic) pages on this site. Out of curiosity, what's this about? (I noticed you speak Russian). --A. B. 21:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks -- after seeing all those Cyrllic pages not visibly linked to the main page, I figured there was something shifty about it that probably had to do with search engine rankings.--A. B. 01:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey man, you definitely should read this article: Paranoia. Those russian pages, which you are afraid so much, are 404 Not Found!

Bud Whiteye

Crzr...: I was going to try to give you a non-Jewish comment on ??? But I couldn't find it by clicking on your title.Bud {{talk}} 01:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dacha

I totally hate the whole concept of bringing AfD's to peoples' attention, but I wanted your two cents on this one before I weighed in. It seems like a keep to me, but I figured if any wikipede would know if this was bullshit or not, It's be you. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 01:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Bud Whiteye

What the F you yelling at me for??? Your message showed up on my page. I don't know who you are, nor do I know most anybody here. I'm just part of this faceless community trying to help if I can. Don't F'n yell at me. I didn't put your message on my site. You #&X**%@!!X%^&.

Bud Whiteye Again2

I don't want to point you to anywhere. I did not put your message on my site. I saw it there asking for a "non-Jewish" view on an article; point of view; citation??? I don't know. When something shows up on my site asking for help -- I try. If that hurts you, then control where your stuff goes. I know if you look at your "discussions" you'll see a Q asking for a "non-Jewish" view. But. I don't have to tell you that. You already know it!

My other account

It seems I had created an account in November of last year. I completely forgot about the account and I only discovered that I had most likely created it because I was curious as to why I had to register under the user name WillMak050389 instead of my usual WillMak5389.

As you are an administrator, could you please block the account as I do not want to be accused of sockpuppetry. Currently the page redirects to my userpage, but do what you need to in order to block the account. Thank you for your help! --WillMak050389 05:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


NOTOC is for removing tables of content from non-article space. If people don't want to view the TOC they have the option to hide it, by simply clicking the [hide] tab w/in the TOC, an option that remains with their account/IP until they choose to undo it. The TOC is meant to serve as a navigation tool for the reader. Removing it editorially removes that functionality for the user. You'll note I reduced the "interruption factor" I believe spawned your removal of the TOC altogether, by moving it to the right with {{TOCright}}, but the decision to view or not view a TOC should be left to the reader, IMHO. It's not a policy, nor even a guideline, afaik, but summarily removing functionality for readers strikes me as a really bad idea. My admonition was more me pushing back against you than an expression of any editorial standard, and while I don't want to fight with you about it, I'd prefer to have you leave it be for now. See WP:TOC for more. Cheers, Tomertalk 06:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Hi. I don't mean to be contentious, but I strongly disagree with your revert and have reverted it.

Please see the talk page at Dayan.

I've left the Bet Din page alone. --Dweller 14:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Yidele Horowitz

Sources: for this piece I used [1]. 95% of what I generally use is found on the internet, but for this article, a source of a specialised nature was required.

Thanks for resarching the correct name for Krenice... while you're at it, what do you think of the Rav Shneur Kotler article I just started? Oh, by the by, the English rabbis cat you added to is a bit Shvach for Orthodox Rabbonim at the moment... it contains Louis Jacobs. I'm not sure it was a good idea to place Rav Horowitz there, especialy as he only spent 4 years in England. What do you think? Many thanks and Good Shabbos, Nesher 16:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, my apologies. I agree that the current pic is an atrocious Toevah, but I don't think I can take the pic this Shabbos. Soon, maybe. Thanks for the Louis Jacobs link, but I have known of him and his views for years. Yes, he had great knowledge, yes he was a Talmid Chacham, yes, he may have been very Orthodox in his practice, yes, he went to Gateshead yeshiva and knew how to learn - but he sadly became an Apikorus. Trust me, to all appearances to the contrary, the Orthodox community in England regards him as such. Sadly, I believe there is now mixed seating in his synagogues - even though he was at first against it. It's a slippery slope that ultimately leads to Halachic havoc. Once again, good Shabbos and many thanks, Nesher 17:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed I live in England. I'm bringing in Shabbos early in half an hour so got to run! Good Shabbos and many thanks, Nesher 17:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

My opinion

Good logic. I hate it when admins do not use reasoning for their closings, especially when close or controversial. I don't know if I would have neccesarily reached the same conclusion as you, but I certainly cannot argue with your reasoning or think of a good reason to challenge the decision on DRV. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 17:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Argo Tea

I could be willing to give it 'til the fall to see if things work out. I have to admire Tony the Tiger's dedication and civility here. I believe that he in good faith thinks this might be worth keeping around for a bit and the eventualist in me wants to give him the leeway, perhaps. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 18:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

PS-nice sig. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 18:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Jonathan Edwards (journalism)

Should i have not used the empty tag and notability tag on the same page? It seemed odd that you replaced the empty tag with a verify tag, seeing as the article basically contains no content. Just wondering about your reasoning and if i should go about AfD differently. Thanks--Gephart 20:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


I guess you beat me to the punch with Yanksox. I honestly thought that you both were admins. By the way, what's up with your new sig? I don't get it. Alphachimp talk 23:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Crz is an admin. Yanksox 23:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I know. What I wrote didn't come out too well. Alphachimp talk 00:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh ok, it makes sense now when I read it. I feel silly, now. :P Yanksox 05:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess you have deleted from milf and American Pie (film) a link to, which is a really good explanation of a term "MILF". May i ask you, what is your problem? Those russian pages are from the prior owner of this domain. They doesn't exist! They only left in the google memory, but once googlebot visit it and receive 404 error, he will remove them from database.

It's Me Again :(

Sorry to bug you again. But you'll notice that Arthur Ellis has requested that the Hot_Nasties and the The_Invasion_of_the_Tribbles Album be deleted. I would like you to note that there is a Warren Kinsella connection. Well, can you review the those two entries, and determine if their nomination was made on bad faith? Pete Peters 02:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

For someone who keeps saying he's not "Mark Bourrie", Arthur Ellis sure knows a whole lot about his uncle and Bourrie Trivia. Never has anything to post in his area of expertise: Railroads. He's made so many posts on Bourrie, Pierre Bourque and Kinsella. Always, trying to delete pages connected to Kinsella. So many edits:

That's all I have to say. --Sushi Boy--

Someone asked me on my talk page to look over the railway traffic control entry. If advanced knowledge of timetable-train order and centralized traffic control systems and signalling in North American railways is "common knowledge", well, then... As for the Kinsella-Bourrie stuff, I was dragged into it. Pete Peter's very first post (at the end of June) was to allege that I'm a sock puppet, and that has been the thrust of his campaign of harassment since then -- one that you have had no small part in facilitating, by the way. Arthur Ellis 17:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

HI, I see Arthur Ellis has reverted the Hot Nasties page three times in last 24 hours. In spite of the fact that you told him not to use db tag, and if he had issue with the article, to take the issue up at the AFD. Pete Peters 19:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a fine use for that tag. What are the Hot Nasties? A punk rock band that existed in Calgary, Canada, 25 years ago, never made an album except one home-made EP, never toured, got no radio play. Nothing. Does every bunch of high school kids who put together a garage band in the 1980s warrant a Wikipedia entry? What about those who actually got playing gigs at high school dances? In bars? Where are they? Come on, folks, think about this. Arthur Ellis 19:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's definately worthier than the recent "trivia" section on Mark Bourrie: "Bourrie is a second cousin of Canadian composer John Arpin. He worked as a forest fire fighter in 1976 and 1981.His interest in shipwrecks was kindled by family stories of the loss of four of his paternal grandfather's cousins on the Sand Merchant on Lake Erie near Cleveland in 1933."

Arthur is so knowlegeable about the Bourrie family, one might think he was one of them. But of course, he not as he's repeated so often. == /kim c/


HappyVR's edits were problematic, but I think an indef block is unwarranted. He's got months of good edits to his credit, so I don't think we should be so quick to indef block him. Unless you object, I'm going to restore my original 24 hour block. Raul654 04:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hillsong stuff (reply)

Hi Crzrussian and thanks for your message. Although I cannot provide information about critical reviews about the Hillsong albums, there are a number of reasons that make them notable. Firstly, as you pointed out, there are many albums (over 50) spanning about 14 years. I would say that this in itself shows the success of their albums, which deserves recognition. Secondly, all of their main live albums have achieved gold or platinum status. In fact their 2004 album, For All You've Done, became the first Christian contemporary music album to reach number one in the Australian album charts, again showing notability. While some of the other albums are less well known, together they form part of a Hillsong series to show the albums' details, where they fit in chronologically, and also for completeness. Thirdly, within the Christian community, Hillsong songs are very well known and are sung at churches worldwide. Their most famous song, Shout to the Lord is sung by an estimated 25-30 million church-goers each week. I hope this has shown the albums are notable. If you wish to comment further, please leave a message on the Hillsong Music talk page, so others can contribute to the discussion. Thanks. Marky1981 10:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Giant Raccoon

The Giant Raccoon might better have been redirected to Godless: The Church of Liberalism than to Ann Coulter. It's an example used in that book, but isn't any sort of major "Ann Coulter thing."

And please help me: Now that the Raccoon article has been rightfully deleted, where can one access the discussion that led to its deletion? (I posted the article, and agree with the decision to delete it, but I might like to look at the discussion from time to time.) Lou Sander 12:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Last month I had User:Youngamerican/gallery deleted as a CSD U1, but I think I would like to have it restored so I can have easy access to my photos and add some of my new ones. Can you hook me up? Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 19:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Jahiegel RfA

Had you already contacted him previously to see if he would accept? Too bad, I was planning to approach him sometime.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

ACtually, it took me 3 hrs to prepare the Grandmasterka one which is currently up.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
He declined?!?!?!Blnguyen | rant-line 04:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What's so unusual about my nom?? Blnguyen | rant-line 05:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)