User talk:Cullen328/2012 Archive

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herkenrode Tripel[edit]

New evidence has come to light. Please have another look. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I am always happy to look at new sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Tioga Road[edit]

Our drive over the Tioga Road (on Thurs., Dec. 29) was fine, and there was little snow present even up at the higher elevations. Temperatures at Tuolumne at 8500 feet seemed not lower than the 40s. Even at Tioga Pass at 9950 feet there was a respectable amount of snow, but nothing monumental. We took 120 down to Mono Lake (that restaurant was closed), stayed the night in Mammoth Lakes (7800 feet, unseasonably warm there, too) and came home to Los Angeles via 395 and 14 on Friday the 30th. We did not at any point go to Lee Vining (out of our way, I believe).

There is a Yosemite phone menu which gives you road and weather conditions, which I have been calling every day out of curiosity to see if the road is still open, and as of this morning, it is (the exact same recording has been up for nearly a week, and they change it as soon as the road conditions change). No precipitation is expected for the next week or so. I can give you the number if you'd like, then again you may already know it.
RedSoxFan274 (leave a message~contribs) 07:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

My wife and I drove across Tioga Pass at an elevation of 9943 feet at about 9:00 AM this morning, January 7, 2012. We had spent the previous night in Bridgeport, California after a Friday business meeting in Carson City, Nevada. The weather was crisply cold but crystal clear and sunny, and the views of the High Sierra were spectacular. I never believed that we would be able to drive through this gorgeous countryside in January, when in almost all previous years, the road would have been deeply buried in a heavy snow fall. But this is 2012, not another year. We saw ice climbers in the frozen gullies at the foot of Mount Dana and ice skaters on Tenaya Lake.
Whoa Nellie Deli (in my opinion, the best restaurant in the Eastern Sierra) is always closed in the winter. Beautiful downtown Lee Vining, California is located about 3/4 of a mile north of the intersection of California State Route 120 and U.S. Route 395 in California at Mono Lake. You turned south towards Los Angeles instead, but don't feel bad, because I love Lee Vining only because of the wonderful scenery that surrounds it, as opposed to the tiny hick town itself.
After 75 miles of slow driving through the high country, we took time to spend a few hours in Yosemite Valley where the winter sunlight was vibrant and intense. Yosemite Falls was a frozen trickle, but we had crystal clear photographer's views of El Capitan and Sentinel Rock. On the way home to American Canyon, California, we checked out antique shops in Sonora, California. Every business trip should be so sweet.
Talk page stalkers, make plans to visit this area as soon as possible! When blizzards hit, defer your plans until July or August. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Did you stop at Olmsted Point? Loved seeing Half Dome from the back.
Tioga Road is still open with sunny and clear weather expected for Yosemite Valley for upwards of a week, as of this morning. It's closing in on a month of being open now. This has to be longer than the time it was open in December 1999.
RedSoxFan274 (leave a message~contribs) 08:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, we stopped at Olmstead Point and looked at that wonderful view as well as the brass model of the scenery, and I ran my hands over the topographical representation as if I were a blind man. As compared to the conventional view, Half Dome looks different from that angle but endures as a most spectacular slab of granite. I yearned to walk down that trail all the way to Yosemite Valley, but instead we drove down there by the long paved route, and a few hours later, then headed home to our sons and our jobs and our everyday lives. But even a brief visit to Yosemite recharges our spirits. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Rescue Metro Walk[edit]

Hi, I hate to bother you but is there any way you can help me save Metro Walk? I think this article is headed to the chopping block but I have been able to find quite a few references. I need some help editing it and finding more sources if there is something that you could do to help I would be most appreciative.LuciferWildCat (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

FYI, article isn't eligible for rescue; it is being slated for merger, not deletion, and therefore referencing is hardly relevant Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 05:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the tip, Luciferwildcat. I share your interest in topics related to Richmond, California, though with less enthusiasm, perhaps. As "rescue" is such a loaded term in connection with AfD and related discussions, I prefer to talk about "improving" articles, which I hope all editors can agree is a worthy goal. Again, I encourage the two of you to go your separate ways, and improve the encyclopedia. Your interactions with each other seem counterproductive to me. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

I am sorry if my comment seemed inappropriate. I have my own preferences too and whether or not all languages are notable is not my issue with this whole situation. What is my issue is this: 1) These comments belong on the articles talk page not my talk page 2) The user could have simply removed the tag, which he did, and that would have been it, but the user felt it necessary to go on my talk page and call me out. That is rude and unacceptable and takes the conversation away from the article talk page and brings it to my talk page. 3) You had even less of a right to comment on my page because the tag had already been removed and there was no problem. Again you are entitled to your opinion on this one but it belongs on the article's talk page not my talk page. 4) I used the PROD, not XFD, not CSD, PROD is very low level and if anyone disagreed with me they could remove the tag, which they did. There was no reason to start up on my page. 5) I am very familiar with wikipedia's policies, I have been on Wikipedia for over 6 years and have spent extensive time pouring over the policies and guidelines. 6) I will continue tagging articles for PROD if they are poorly written, contain no resources, and do not do a good job proving their subject notable. The whole point of PROD is to encourage this kind of talk but it should be on the articles talk page not mine. Thank you Zzaffuto118 (talk) 20:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Online ambassador query[edit]

Greetings Jim. This is my first use of a Talk page. It’s on yours because you included some instructions on how to do it. I still may be making mistakes, so I appreciate your openness to newbies. I’m writing to ask if you’d be a mentor for my course (the first in Arizona according to Tom Cloyd). The course concerns children’s language development; it has 110 students and a teaching team of 11 (I’m the professor). If you agree to help me out, it’s important for you to know that from my perspective Wikipedia’s education arm has gone silent, so I have no CAs. Classes start next week, so I’m reducing this to a pilot (probably wise for other reasons too). I’ll use online materials to get a couple of my undergraduate preceptors into roughly CA-shape; one graduate student is interested in helping; and I myself am working to become more knowledgeable. But I’m impressively ignorant at this stage. I don’t even know how I’ll learn the answer to my question to you. – Cecile McKee or Cecilemckee (talk) 16:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I am delighted to help. I am out of town on a business trip right now, but will respond at greater length later. Good to hear from you and welcome to Wikipedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Eee gads, it looks complicated to have a 'discussion.' I have no idea which page I should be editing - yours or mine. WP's instructions on talking though did explain the colon bit. Never mind that for now (unless you want to teach me how to do it better). For now, thank you very much for agreeing to be one of my online ambassadors. I'll add you to my course page, if I can figure out how to do that myself. Best Cecilemckee (talk) 16:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

changes to the walt disney family museum's page[edit]

hi jim,

thank you so much for your edits and opinions. i've done my best to comb through the page and make corrections to your suggestions. sometimes it gets confusing (calling "walt" "disney") because it's difficult to tell if we're talking about walt, or the actual disney company. but i tried my best to catch all the "walts", and i've also tried my best to switch my text to the neutral point of view.

thanks! andi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awangwdfmuseum (talkcontribs) 20:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


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Just email me man.LuciferWildCat (talk) 06:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hotel Polen fire[edit]

Thanks for your copyediting of the article. Face-smile.svg SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 01:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I hope you approve of the changes I made. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Jack Harte[edit]

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January 2012 Newsletter for WikiProject United States and supported projects[edit]

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Why do you keep wikifying Dr. Mohammed's name? It's wikified in 3 places now. (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I wikified it once: in the section of the article that describes his tenure. Whether to wikify only at first mention rather than more than once is an editorial decision. My thinking is that someone interested primarily in the current leadership of the institution may not have noticed the earlier link. An alternative would be to move the sentence about his appointment into the section discussing the current tenure. I think it is common practice to wikilink both the infobox and at least the first mention in the body of the text. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
"An alternative would be to move the sentence about his appointment into the section discussing the current tenure." I would certainly favor that approach. I am just in the "jamming facts and citations" in the article now, as you can plainly see. The biggest problem, you may not have noticed, but the 103 west 135th street library is officially listed, by the NYPL, as the original Countee Cullen library. After about a month, I look to have overwhelming support that it is not viewed as such by the community. I am, of course, extremely biased, I also view it as the original Schomburg Center. I am also editing the Countee Cullen article. Suffice it to say, there is nothing in there about the "Countee Cullen library" and authors write about Cullen in a bio-bibliographic format, so they are ostensibly useless when it comes to the Schomburg Center. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I moved the description of Khalil Gibran Muhammad's appointment as discussed. I know next to nothing about the libraries of New York, but did find this mention in African American lives. Perhaps you will find it helpful. Perhaps you could describe the history of the library in a "Legacy" section of Countee Cullen. By the way, I have no expertise about the poet - my user name refers to an aspect of my own family background (Cullen was my grandfather's middle name). Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:41, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

SS Sirio[edit]

Hey Cullen, would you mind having a look at my latest creation? It can do with a copyedit and maybe some tightening here and there. (I asked Ed17 to look at it as well.) I'm about to nominate it for DYK with a nice hook about a captain leaving his ship, but I think it is possibly a GA. Your help, as always, is much appreciated. (BTW, re: above, I enjoy reciting Countee Cullen's "Incident" in class.) Drmies (talk) 19:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

  • I certainly need a better lead... Drmies (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
    • I am sure that Ed would find it more interesting if it had lots of big guns mounted all over it. I will board the ship once I get done with work. What's up with these Italian sea captains? Seems like this kind of thing happens every 106 years or so. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:36, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
      • I made a number of stylistic changes, Drmies, and I hope that you approve. I am an advocate of shorter sentences, simpler wording and often, shorter paragraphs united around a clearly defined theme. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
        • I haven't looked yet, but my finger is itching to click rollback, of course. You shortened my sentences? How many innocent east-coast semi-colons have fallen victim to your clipped Hemingway-inflected barbarian western style?? Drmies (talk) 03:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
        • Well done Cullen--thank you. That is precisely the kind of work one often can't do with one's own article. Wait for it...

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for your work on SS Sirio. I appreciate your help and admire your fine decisions. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz[edit]

Current ref 6 says youngest representative, ref 10 not free. 'Youngest woman ever elected to the Florida legislature.' Debbie Wasserman Schultz entry at Political Graveyard. Dru of Id (talk) 03:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oxide jacking[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Congratulations, to you and your son. I hope it breaks all the records. Listen, Cullen, would you mind having a look at Template:Did you know nominations/John Horsefield? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Holy moly! (So they didn't keep "rust bust"?) Drmies (talk) 15:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Cullen, thank you for your soothing comment re: a-hole. Sometimes you can't win. No, it's not OK to call someone that. But, sometimes these things happen. No, that doesn't always call for immediate blocks. Yes, that means that discussions that deteriorate into shoutfests should be closed. *Sigh* Thanks again, and I hope you're having a great weekend. BTW, I saw a nice restaurant around the corner from the Publix I always go to. Their Valentine's menu looked really interesting, and at $150 per couple, not so bad. ($75 extra to throw in the matching wine.) Shall I make reservations for you and Mrs. Cullen? You are welcome to spend the night at our place, and with a little bit of luck the pool will be above 50 degrees by then...(no skinny-dipping please; I know how liberal you Californians are!) Drmies (talk) 03:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Sarah Hamilton-Byrne[edit]

Thanks for your comments. I'll be happy to take account of them if I get the opportunity to improve the article. As for the negative comments at the top of my page, you obviously haven't had three stalkers in three years. Sardaka (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

  • In my opinion, a positive presentation on an editor's talk page tends to promote positive interactions in the future. I very much regret that you had negative interactions with other editors in the past, and wish you well going forward. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


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Tuna goddess[edit]

Would you mind adding a citation from your Polynesian mythology book to substantial Kohara? Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not my book, but I will be happy to add the reference after I hear Newt Gingrich's victory speech, and what the commentators have to say about it. I am, after all, a political junkie as well as a Wikipediholic. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I have expanded the article a bit, although it is still a stub. I've also added four sources, though each mention is brief. It can use work, but I believe the topic to be notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


You said "much of the editor's recent behavior has appeared childish." Really? Look at any 100 consecutive edits and please note the ones which seem "childish." Granted, not every edit represents what I aspire to. I am always interested in improving my editing. Edison (talk) 05:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I was referring to the Spiderman stuff, the Beavis and Butthead stuff, the segregationists in the schoolhouse door stuff, the chaining of the library door stuff, and so on. My guess is that in six months, you will look back on those remarks with regret, but then again, I could be wrong. Let's not fixate on recent disagreements. Instead, lets write, expand, reference and improve encyclopedia articles. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
That was a small fraction of my edits for the week. And note that I did not interfere in any way with access to the encyclopedia. Making a bold political gesture by blocking access to the encyclopedia and calling on all would-be users to contact their congressmen for or against some legislation is very much akin to the "climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman" analogy. Blocking access to the encyclopedia to achieve a political objective is very much akin to standing in the schoolhouse door and blocking access to achieve some political objective. "The end justifies the means" is not a philosophy I can endorse. Making the encyclopedia into a political action site is something contrary to the five pillars. Edison (talk) 05:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I could re-hash the various points but instead I will move on. I don't doubt your good faith but I believe that your analogies are weak. So, let's just agree to disagree, and look forward to agreeing on other issues in the future. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:26, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Sig 522[edit]

I sourced my information from the Sig Sauer website. Previous users had copy/pasted the GunBlog review on the 522, thus resulting in deletion. Thanks for your comment RichardMills65 (talk) 05:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia policy, we need some independent sources, such as reviews in reliable firearms magazines. In general, blogs and user-submitted website content are not considered reliable sources on Wikipedia, with the exception of blogs by professional journalists and recognized experts. The article should be written in your own words, and copying and pasting from any source (with very narrow exceptions) is considered a copyright violation and strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Cullen - Thanks for the heads up. I only sourced basic information (length, weight, material) and avoided any subjective judgements about the quality or other aspects of the rifle. I will put it on my to-do list to go back and add sources; but in the meantime, can I be sure that it is of substantial quality to not be removed ?--RichardMills65 (talk) 06:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Any unreferenced article is at risk of deletion. I would recommend at least one independent reference ASAP. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Worked on it[edit]

Did a 5x expansion on Helena Train Wreck. Should address concerns now. Montanabw(talk) 06:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

You've convinced me, and I've flipped to "Keep". Well done! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Adoption and Language Development[edit]


Thanks for offering to adopt me! I just came back from training with Wikipedia on how to be a campus ambassador so I am definitely looking for someone to help and guide me to become a better Wikipedia user/editor. I'm sure you saw that we are working together in the same class. Unlike the other CA's listed on the course page I have not taken the course before and have absolutely no knowledge of language acquisition or development. I just had a meeting with User:cecilemckee and she wanted to be sure that you, User:Bilby and I understood that we are to stay away from all content and focus on formating, copyright issues, and the 5 pillars. Luckily the other CA's have taken the course and will be concentrating on content and course requirements. Anyways, I'm super excited to be working on this with you and finding out what "adoption" entails. Semccraw (talk)Semccraw —Preceding undated comment added 03:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC).

Well, then, you and I will find out what "adoption" entails together. What I will say right now is that I will do my best to help you in any way I can. I've been heavily involved with this project for 2-1/2 years. I know a lot about some things and very little about other things. So, I will be honest with you either way. The best advice I can give is to edit as much as you can. Try things, ask questions, jump in and participate. If you don't know about language acquisition, then what do you know and care about? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm really interested in working on references on articles. I'm also interested in book history and archives. I was thinking about making articles/working on articles for different archives and special collections libraries. I'm honestly a little nervous about actually adding content right now but I know that I do just need to jump in and do something. Semccraw (talk)Semccraw —Preceding undated comment added 19:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC).

If you add high quality references to articles, all experienced editors will sing your praises. I understand your nervous feelings, but just give it a try. You can always experiment in a sandbox to see how things look, and then copy and paste what you've developed into the article in question when you are satisfied with it. I do that all the time for complicated edits. Articles about notable libraries would be wonderful and I am sure that you can help improve book history articles. I know an excellent editor called User:DGG, real name David Goodman who is a librarian and an administrator here. He may be able to offer some tips - he's a very helpful guy. By the way, don't forget to sign your talk page posts by adding four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your comment. The software will add your signature and date stamp instantly when you save the page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Most special collection libraries are parts of larger libraries. In general I would proceed by first making a building up a section on them in the article on the main library, and then seeing if there was sufficient to split. My own view, is that for only a very few of the most famous would it be suitable. When the collection is not part of a general library, but closely connected with the primary activity of an institution of which it is a part, I'd give similar advice. But of course when it's an independent library or archive., or the institution exists mainly to sponsor the library, then the article should be about the specific library. Not just libraries; I'd give similar advice about almost all topics where the article is about part of a larger organization. DGG ( talk ) 01:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Cullen328! David helped me a lot with my ideas. Thanks for putting me in touch with him. Semccraw (talk) 03:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Horsefield[edit]

Hi, just a quick note to say that if you're happy to progress the nomination above you need to add one of the ticks to it. Richerman (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I did so a couple of days ago - I am assuming that the DYK is moving along. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


I had a heavy hitter, Cullen--thanks in part to your help! Drmies (talk) 04:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

That's awesome. Happy to be of assistance. Do you think a train wreck article would do as well? If so, feel free to jump on some of the Montana catastrophes I discussed at the AfD debate for Helena Train Wreck. How about a head on collision between two trains, one carrying passengers and the other freight, during a blizzard? That might grab some eyes. I'm kind of busy for the next couple of days, but let me know if that kind of thing interests you. Maybe we could write it together. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for ambassador for course assignment[edit]

Hi Cullen328, I've included a wikipedia assignment in my course this semester, and I'm looking for one or more online mentors for the course, as I understand I'm recommended to do. The course is a graduate course in personality psychology. I contacted you because I see you have experience with a psychology course. Is this something you'd be interested in doing? William Fleeson (talk) 02:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure whether I should reply here or my talk page, because I am just learning the system, so please forgive any mistakes! Thanks very much for your willingness to explore this with me. I’ve also contacted another online ambassador and a "course ambassador", as I believe I was recommended to do. The assignment is flexible at this point. The students are required to create a new page or edit substantially an existing page, or something else of equivalent magnitude. I just noticed that Social Psychology has 37 categories and 461 pages, whereas Personality Psychology has 1 page (no categories). Social Psychology is a bigger field, but the good news is that this means there is lots of room for the students to add pages. (It also means that I may be changing Personality Psychology from a page into a category.) My students are 13 first year graduate students, taking my course on personality psychology. The paper will be due near the end of this semester (late April or very early May). I’m not sure what help I am asking for at this point. Wikipedia has recommended that I “Get Support in-person from Campus Ambassadors and/or on Wikipedia from Online Ambassadors. Together, you and your team of Wikipedia Ambassadors can guide your class to effectively improve Wikipedia and make lasting contributions to public knowledge.” So, I’ve gone ahead and contacted you and two other ambassadors. I’ve heard from you and from the campus ambassador. I’m using the example syllabus as a guide I want to be very clear that although I am an experienced writer and an experienced teacher, I have almost 0 knowledge of how to navigate Wikipedia – You would be guiding a very new editor, in addition to the new student editors. Any thoughts?William Fleeson (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Happy to be of help, and I have responded at greater length on your talk page, which I will watch. That's probably the best place to communicate at this time, but feel free to ask urgent questions here. I get a message on my mobile phone when someone posts here, and try to respond promptly when needed. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

When to cite[edit]

I have a question that just came up. So I'm working on the List of film archives and a lot of the countries are missing the name of a film archive there. I looked it up on a government website that lists all countries and their film archives. Would it be considered plagiarism to take those names and put them under the countries in the WP article? I linked to the web site in External Links but do you think I should cite each of them? Would it be considered common knowledge? Semccraw (talk) 04:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In all honesty, I don't work on lists very much. I think that referencing of lists tends to be weaker than referencing of articles, perhaps because some editors assume that the references will be in the articles for the items on the list. Others feel that the references establishing membership in the list should be part of the list article, and I go along with that. It is not plagiarism to extract and rewrite information from a source as long as you reference that source. It is, however, a copyright violation to copy extensive text other than brief quotes in quotation marks, if the government website is copyrighted. U.S. Federal Government websites and publications are mostly in the public domain, while state and local ones are usually copyrighted. You have to check everything. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

"Keep drama to a minimum"[edit]

If I may ask, why do you construe asking another editor to explain a potentially controversial position "drama"? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 15:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC)ly

Perhaps I should have explained my thought better. I was not referring to that specific conversation with DGG but instead to what I've observed of your interactions with many others in recent months, especially when others were trying to convince you to step away from negative interactions with an editor from Richmond. I am happy to see that situation has calmed down. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


Glad to see you can join us for lunch on Saturday. :) Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 20:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts[edit]

on my issue, posted elsewhere. I am looking for opinions, yours is as good as anyones. Example. I just got a letter from the Beaux-Arts Institute of Design (which is fun because I started the article here 5 years ago) to Oswald Hoepfner (no article yet, I'm working on it) asking him to head their architectural sculpture program. Or something like that. Because it is not a published source I shouldn't use it, but if I uploaded it to wikimedia then I could quote it? The issue here is not a copyright one. I am sorry that i did not make that clear. All this stuff is mine to use as I see fit. Even the post 1923 stuff. The problem is how do I reference a letter that i have a copy of but has never been published? But keep talking. This is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 07:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You can't use material that hasn't been discussed in a reliable source as a reference to support any claim of notability or anything contentious. Primary sources can be used only in very limited ways. Best to have a scholar discuss it in a reliable source, and cite that. Also, just because you own an original document does not mean you own the copyright. If you buy a painting from an artist, that doesn't mean you can print and sell posters of that painting. Or if you buy an animation cel with Mickey Mouse on it, you can't sell souvenirs with that image on it. Disney would sue you for sure. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The pictures that i have were taken by my family, who were in the Boxer Rebellion. the other materials have been given to me by heirs to use as I see fit. I have a letter that is on National Sculpture Society letterhead, but that does not mean that the NSS has the copyright to the letter. But how do I reference something that is in the letter? That is the sort of thing I'm struggling with. Carptrash (talk) 07:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

quick question[edit]

Im involved in the language development project and im suppose to start my project by editting.. Does that mean i randomly select an article to edit or how do i go about beginning to edit. Thank you, Cindy Cardenas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cindyy1 (talkcontribs) 19:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that you start out by editing your own user page to create an impression of yourself to other editors here. You can take a look at experienced editors' pages for ideas. Leave messages on your classmates' talk pages. Try improving an article on a topic you know well and care about, or an article that seems weak to you. Maybe you own a good book about something that is sketchy on Wikipedia. Use that as a reference and improve that weak article. You can try things on a sandbox page first. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)



My name is Alicia and I am a student in Dr. Fleeson's Personality Psychology class and I just wanted to stop in and say hello. I look forward to working with you this semester.

Thanks for helping us! Abj89 (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)abj89

Hello Alicia, Nice to hear from you, and I look forward to working with you and your fellow students. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Introduction for WFU Psyc Course[edit]

Hi Cullen328

I'm Kalpa and I am also a student in Dr. Fleeson's Personality Psychology class. I am excited about learning how to contribute to Wikipedia, and ultimately to write an article on a topic within Personality Psychology. I look forward to corresponding with you further! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velvsop (talkcontribs) 17:00, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Kalpa, Feel free to ask for assistance at any time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! Rather than start another subheading I thought I'd hijack Kalpa's instead. :) I'm Sarah, and I'm a student in the same class. Looking forward to working with you in the future! Carps11 (talk) 19:10, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Sarah. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey Jim - I'm Brett and I'm also a part of Dr. Fleeson's psychology class. Just wanted to introduce myself. I changed the heading so others in our class will know they can post their introductions here. Thanks for helping us out! Majobc11 (talk) 21:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! My name is Peagan, also a part of this personality psychology class! Thank you in advance for your help! Linp11 (talk) 02:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I'm Shivani. Just introducing myself. I can't wait to actually put some content on Wikipedia! Desasu11 (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi I'm Melissa. I am also in Dr. Fleeson's class. Thanks for helping us through this process.Msbeaulieu (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to all of you. I am wondering if you are doing a group psychology experiment to see how people react to editors with names ending in "11". So far, I am happy to be in touch with all of you, and I look forward to seeing good work from your class this semester. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
hahaha the 11 corresponds to the year we entered Wake Forest (2011).  :) Majobc11 (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim, I chose Humor Styles as my topic for this course. I just put up a short few paragraphs in my sandbox of some things I might eventually put on the page. If you get a chance would you mind glancing over it and letting me know if I'm on the right track? Thanks for your help! Majobc11 (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

SF meetup tomorrow[edit]

Hi! I just wanted to send you a quick reminder that we're having a lunch meetup at the Wikimedia Foundation on Saturday. Thanks for signing up! Just as a reminder you can find the location, time, and more info about the meetup at Wikipedia:Meetup/San Francisco 17. See you tomorrow, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 00:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I will be there, Steven, and I am looking forward to it. I appreciate the reminder and the link. 03:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)Cullen328 Let's discuss it
Those links I said I'd point you to... mw:Special:VisualEditorSandbox and m:Mobile Projects, especially the brainstorming page and features ideas page. Thanks again! Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 22:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikiproject Cooperation[edit]

I saw your post on the CREWE Facebook group and was wondering if you'd like to join Wikiproject Cooperation. SilverserenC 04:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, and I have added my username to the list. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Request to act as Mentor for HG252[edit]


I would like to ask you to act as a mentor for our class project on Language, Technology and the Internet. Over the next 6 or so weeks, 13 groups of 3 students will propose a topic, write, edit, and maintain a page about it. The aim is for all articles to reach the level of good articles, although not necessarily within the time-span of the class.

We would appreciate your support,

Francis Bond (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy to be of assistance, Francis. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Ask Jimbo[edit]

I dont know if you know it or not but you were mentioned in a CNN article. I'll get the link in a minute. Because of that I thought you might be interest in being part of a conversation at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Paid operatives. As the general election approaches it is a primary WP issue. TY. ```Buster Seven Talk 04:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, Buster Seven. I am glad that I was polite in my comment, and if I remember right, I also thanked him, as you did, for disclosing his COI. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The way you phrase it makes me realize...He has a COI, It's just that he has disclosed it. That doesnt change the potential for self-interest and orchestrating. The precautions for abuse still need to be discussed. ```Buster Seven Talk 05:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I am in complete agreement that we must constantly be on the alert for POV pushers of every stripe who promote political candidacies, slurs against political candidates, avaricious corporations, boycott campaigns against such corporations, get rich schemes, weight loss plans, miracle cancer cures and "proofs" that Einstein was wrong. Also those convinced that their garage band is the next Beatles. Those who declare their COI openly and honestly, and limit their input to talk page lobbying are the least pernicious of the bunch. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Stories Project[edit]

Hi Jim!

It was a pleasure to meet you at the meetup this weekend! I posted some photos of you at the meetup on commons: User:Victorgrigas#San_Francisco_Wikipedia_Meetup_February_2012 Is there a time that would work for you to come into the office for a one-on-one interview (if you are interested of course)?

Victor Grigas (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I enjoyed our discussion on Saturday. I have some business in San Francisco on Friday morning, and will probably be done by very early afternoon. So would sometime Friday afternoon work for you? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Sure, my Friday afternoon is open right now, what time works for you? Just come and register on the 3rd floor, Leslie will let you in.

Victor Grigas (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I have another interview scheduled from 12-1, but anytime around then works for me :) Victor Grigas (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I had a great time shooting my mouth off about Wikipedia with you this afternoon, Victor. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


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Hey Cullen. Wanted to let you know a blog post is going up tomorrow on PR-Squared, one of the top PR blogs. CREWE will undoubtedly come up in the comments and that might be a good place to share the voice you provided on my Talk page. King4057 (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Cullen. Right back at you on my Talk page. Hope my first note didn't come off terse. It didn't intend to, but sometimes I'm a little too overt. I welcome the discussion. Cheers. King4057 (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Cullen. Having just now looked at some of the CREWE discussions on Facebook, I have more context on our prior discussions. I should clarify that I am not a CREWE member, can't speak on their behalf, and don't necessarily agree with their views.
I have repeatedly urged them to humble themselves and learn how to follow current policy. After seeing some conversations I see as argumentative, I have a sudden urge to make my lack of affiliation overwhelmingly clear. However I still welcome our conversation on the issue.
If you haven't seen it already, there is a new Wikiproject that is more collaborative with the volunteer community that has instructions on how to make brief factual corrections and a mentor program for dedicated Wikipedians.
I welcome our conversation, just didn't want you to think you were talking "to CREWE" by talking to me or that I shared their views. King4057 (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Public Relations Society of America[edit]

Hi Jim: Thanks for your help in posting crucial material on WP.

The National Press Club, the largest, most prestigious press club in the world which has about 750 PR ("communications") members in addition to thousands of journalists, on Oct. 19, 2011 issued a formal statement asking Public Relations Society of America to withdraw its ban against O'Dwyer Co. reporters at the 2011 national Assembly of the Society Oct. 15 in Florida. This ban had been stated in writing in a 23-page document of PRSA which NPC examined and rejected.

Whatever was in those 23 pages was not enough to bar O'Dwyer reporters from the Assembly (for the first time in 40 years), said the NPC statement which was signed by Mark Hamrick, president of NPC and a longtime reporter for the Associated Press. NPC does not want the lesson going out to the 31,000 regular and student members of PRSA and other PR people that the way to deal with critical press is to ban it from the group's meetings. The NPC did not agree with any of the charges against the O'Dwyer Co. or its employees that were in the 23 pages. It only noted that PRSA had made such charges.

To underscore its condemnation of the PRSA boycott, NPC sent its statement to 390 national and international media with offices in Washington, D.C. (That list is available if you wish it).

Below is the full text of the statement. If additional verification is needed, call executive director Bill McCarren at 202/662-7500 or e-mail him at At least one news medium published the statement.


Jack O'Dwyer (


National Press Club Disappointed to Learn PRSA Banned Reporter From Meeting

To: Business Desk, Media Writer

Contact: Bill McCarren, 202-662-7534 for the National Press Club

WASHINGTON, Oct. 19, 2011 – The following statement was released today by Mark Hamrick, President of the National Press Club.

The National Press Club was disappointed to learn that the Public Relations Society of America (PRSA) banned veteran reporter Jack O’Dwyer from covering the PRSA General Assembly last weekend in Orlando. We understand that Mr. O’Dwyer has covered the event for more than 40 years. We also understand that Mr. O’Dwyer and the PRSA have had a long running series of disagreements that have tested and continue to test their relationship. The nature and content of these disagreements is of great concern to both PRSA and Mr. O’Dwyer.

What we find concerning is the solution chosen by the PRSA, which was to ban a reporter who will write stories that may be critical of their organization. We asked PRSA to reconsider its position and to allow Mr. O’Dwyer in. We suggested that if he behaved in a disruptive way he should be removed. PRSA was unwilling to do this.

They have prepared a 23-page letter that says Mr. O’Dwyer is not an ethical reporter. Mr. O’Dwyer sent us the letter himself (twice) for our review as did the PRSA. While we find many of the points in the letter unfortunate and even highly disagreeable we do not think they constitute a reason to ban a reporter who has been allowed access for 40 years. Public relations professionals might have some ethical issues with individual reporters and no doubt journalists must cover and report on the activities of public relations people they find to be unethical. And we are sure this discussion will still be going on years from now as it was years ago.

On the issue of access for reporters, however, we are generally in favor of it as long as the reporters do not disrupt events. Asking difficult questions designed to get answers that an organization would rather not provide is not disrupting an event. We would rather see a group like PRSA allow reporters who might write negative stories about them into their events than not. We think it sets a good example for their members whereas banning reporters does not.

We live in a world where journalist access is too often and too easily denied. We hope PRSA will reconsider their approach and decide next year to hold a convention that does not ban any reporters who wish to cover their activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opjack271 (talkcontribs) 03:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


I posted a new subject but don't know if I highlighted it this way. It's about the National Press Club and PRSA. Here's part of it with four tildes at the end. (

Hi Jim: Thanks for your help in posting crucial material on WP.

The National Press Club, the largest, most prestigious press club in the world which has about 750 PR ("communications") members in addition to thousands of journalists, on Oct. 19, 2011 issued a formal statement asking Public Relations Society of America to withdraw its ban against O'Dwyer Co. reporters at the 2011 national Assembly of the Society Oct. 15 in Florida. This ban had been stated in writing in a 23-page document of PRSA which NPC examined and rejected.

Whatever was in those 23 pages was not enough to bar O'Dwyer reporters from the Assembly (for the first time in 40 years), said the NPC statement which was signed by Mark Hamrick, president of NPC and a longtime reporter for the Associated Press. NPC does not want the lesson going out to the 31,000 regular and student members of PRSA and other PR people that the way to deal with critical press is to ban it from the group's meetings. The NPC did not agree with any of the charges against the O'Dwyer Co. or its employees that were in the 23 pages. It only noted that PRSA had made such charges.

To underscore its condemnation of the PRSA boycott, NPC sent its statement to 390 national and international media with offices in Washington, D.C. (That list is available if you wish it).

Below is the full text of the statement. If additional verification is needed, call executive director Bill McCarren at 202/662-7500 or e-mail him at At least one news medium published the statement.


Jack O'Dwyer ( Opjack271 (talk) 03:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


Trying to Help[edit]

Hi Cullen, Jack mentioned this to me by email. I appreciate you trying to help him. He is reporting on CREWE and PR on Wikipedia prolifically in O'Dwyer's PR Daily and I wanted to show him that creating neutral, compliant, content and collaborating with volunteer editors works. I'm sorry if he gave you heartburn.

I offered Jack the following content, which I believe to be brief, factual and neutral for your consideration to include in the article if deemed appropriate:

I also wanted to let you know the Wikimania submission was changed based on feedback from other editors to cover COI/bias/neutrality in general. I was interested in getting your feedback and making sure you still support the submission. King4057 (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Jim. My name is Paige and I am enrolled in Personality Psychology with Dr. Fleeson. As our online ambassador, I just wanted to say hello! In other news, thank you for sharing the thoughts on civility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plroseman (talkcontribs) 03:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Paige. I look forward to working with you and your classmates. As for Jimbo's comment on civility, I would add that it is best to be polite because you make more friends and get more things accomplished that way. Take care. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Wake class project.[edit]

Hey Jim! I'm a student in Will Fleeson's graduate personality class and we're doing a Wiki project for the semester, so I figured I'd introduce myself. Thanks for helping us out with the project (I'm sure we'll need it)! Moonpe11 (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I am also in William Fleeson's personality class at Wake Forest, and I would also like to say thank you very much for your help! Allexe11 (talk) 20:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to both of you, Moonpe11 and Allexe11. Do you have anything else in common other than the number 11? Please feel free to ask any questions here on my talk page, and I will do my best to help. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am part of Will's class as well. I look forward to working with you.Croweml11 (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am also part of Will's class. We appreciate your help with this project! Whitmb11 (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim. My name is Ben. I'm also in Dr. Fleeson's class working on this wikipedia project this semester. Thanks in advance for your help this semester. I see that the bot is recommending a lot of outdoor sites. Are national parks and natural areas your specialty? Armsbf11 (talk) 16:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello to Ben and all students with usernames ending in "11". I am now sure that "11" is no coincidence. To answer Armsbf11's question, I am an middle-aged mountaineer and have written many biographies of climbers. I love the High Sierra including Yosemite, Sequoia and King's Canyon National Parks. It seems that the bot looks more at recent edit history as opposed to long term history. If you look up a bit on this talk page, you will see some discussion about my drive through Yosemite's high country in early January on a road that is usually closed and buried deep in snow at this time of year. I took a lot of pictures, and just last weekend, I uploaded many of them to Wikimedia Commons and added some to Yosemite related articles on Wikipedia. So now, briefly, the bot thinks that I am the resident Yosemite expert. There are far worse pigeonholes to be stuffed into. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Jim, thank you for introducing yourself on my talk page, and the picture. Where do you get image files? Is there a bank of them somewhere? Croweml11 (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for responding so quickly, I will let the rest of the class know. I also wanted to let you know that I posted a series of article ideas on my talk page, if you get the chance I'd appreciate any comments you can give. Croweml11 (talk) 01:47, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! Our assignment for this week is to choose three topics we might be interested in writing our Wiki page about. I've chosen, 1. Self-esteem and personality 2. Behavioral genetics 3. the Person-Situation debate. I'm wondering if the first two are too broad.. What do you think? Thank you! Linp11 (talk) 03:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! When you get a chance, could you take a look at the three topics I am interested in editing? I have also proposed a new page that I can write. They are located on my sandbox page. Thanks!! Velvsop (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jim! I think I've already told you, but my name is Alicia. I also would love any feedback you can give me on my topic choices, which are 1) Moral Personality, 2) The Density Distribution Model, 3) The Honesty/Humility factor of the HEXACO model, and 4) Moral discounting. Thanks! Abj89 (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! I posted possible article topics on my talk page. Any feedback you could give would be helpful. Desasu11 (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! I also posted possible article topics on my talk page and would appreciate any feedback - Thank you! Plroseman (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Jim, I too have posted several article topics on my talk page. I would appreciate any feedback you may have. Thank You! Whitmb11 (talk) 01:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! I have written a summary/rough draft of my article in my sandbox, and was wondering if you could take a look at it? The article is under "Dimensional approach to personality disorders". Thanks! Allexe11 (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Jim, I have also written a rough draft of my article in my sandbox under the Person-Situation Debate header. Could you please take a took and let me know what I can improve/expand on? Thank you! Linp11 (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, Jim! I am excited to expand on and polish my article with your tips! Linp11 (talk) 23:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim! I've also written a small rough draft for my article. Mine is on how personality changes through a life span. It's in my sandbox. I'm having a problem with my citations, though. I have cited the same article in 2 different places. I thought it would add the same footnote as the previous time I cited it. Is that misguided? Right now, the same citation shows up twice on my references list. Is it possible to get rid of that? Desasu11 (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I can see you are getting smothered by our class, but I too have begun work on my article on Cognitive-Experiential Self Theory, its not much yet, but let me know if you think it is heading in the right direction. Croweml11 (talk) 04:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim, I moved my page on Relationship Contingent Self-Esteem to the main space and am working on a "first final draft." I was wondering if you could take a look at it Relationship Contingent Self-Esteem and let me know if there are changes I should make. Even a cursory look and comment would be helpful. Thank you! Velvsop (talk) 23:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jim - there is a particular user who has reviewed many of the DYKs for our articles. Most people have addressed the concerns yet, but I assume everyone will be doing so within the following week. I tried to respond to the concerns by editing my article, and after doing so asked if they could let me know if there were any additional issues that should be addressed. The result was that my article is now being nominated for deletion. This user has also posted on our class page criticizing us for our DYK nominations and not responding to feedback fast enough. I understand the argument that our articles may not have really been ready for DYK; however, I am wondering if this user is justified in their criticisms of our articles, the timeliness of our responses, and the suggested deletion of my page after I tried to make the appropriate changes. It seems to me this person is being unusually harsh on us and is violating the etiquette rule of "don't bite the newbies". Since we are still learning about contributing to Wikipedia, I was just wondering if this person is correct in their criticisms and we are going about things wrong, and if this is normal for interactions between contributors (especially new contributors) and reviewers. Thanks for your help. Allexe11 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, regarding my article's nomination for deletion, is there any recourse I can take? Am I allowed to argue for why my article should be kept? I thought I had addressed the issues brought up in my DYK nomination (which were again brought up in the deletion nomination), but apparently either I didn't do it correctly, or I didn't do it well enough. Do you think my article is eligible to try to be rescued? Is there anything further I can do to prevent it from being deleted? Thanks again for your help. Allexe11 (talk) 19:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey Jim, I know you must be busy, but an editor tagged my Cognitive-Experiential Self-Theory article for having WP:OR and WP:SYNTH problems in her response to my DYK nomination. Unfortunately she wasn't very specific about where she saw the problem. I assume that I can handle the original research problem just by adding more citations, but I am confused about the synthesis problem. Everything I put down is supported by a reliable source. There are a couple places that I added more than one reference, but that was simply because multiple references support what was said so I'm just not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts? Croweml11 (talk) 21:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Leon Jordan[edit]

Withdrawn, another search on GBooks with Missouri tagged on brought forth a great many sources. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I've expanded the article significantly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Clear Books[edit]

Hi Jim, I read your comment on this post and decided to contact you because I could really do with an independent opinion and you came across as a very reasonable Wikipedia editor.

I am the founder of an online accounting application called Clear Books and at the end of last year I created the Wikipedia article Clear Books. I appreciate the concerns over COI and have tried my very best to present the facts and link to relevant references. The reason I created the article is because I didn't have the patience to wait for someone else to do it. I would really appreciate your thoughts on Clear Books accounting software and its merit to be included in Wikipedia. Thanks --TimFouracre (talk) 12:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in contact. Ok the 3 most notable articles are a piece in the Telegraph referencing the number of customers at 3000. A piece of independent research carried out by Cambridge University Accounting Market Report and an industry analyst who is also referenced elsewhere in Wikipedia. The software is also linked to by HMRC and which although extremely reliable, I concede are not significant coverage--TimFouracre (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
With all due respect, I do not think that this coverage amounts to the type of significant coverage required to establish notability on Wikipedia. Others have explained in greater detail in the deletion debate, and I concur with many of those points. I wish you every success in your business. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Lodge photo[edit]

Just thought I'd say nice addition to this article. :)
RedSoxFan274 (leave a message~contribs) 05:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, friend. Though my visit to Yosemite last month was brief, it was spectacular. Nothing beats a crystal clear January day for gorgeous views. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

editing on someone's page[edit]

Hi Jim. I'm working on the Language article for one of my classes and I had a question about editing and my sandbox. What is the difference between writing on a page and writing in my sandbox? Also if I write on a page will my teacher be able to see what I have done? Thanks for the advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhaluska (talkcontribs) 00:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

If your teacher knows how to navigate Wikipedia, then any edit you make anywhere on Wikipedia will be visible. The main difference between editing an encyclopedia article and editing your sandbox is visibility. Edits to the article are immediately visible to every reader worldwide who reads that article. Edits in a sandbox should be considered a draft, or "work in progress". The only people who will see your sandbox will be those who stumble on it (unlikely) or those who are asked to take a look (like me).Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

An opinion, if you might...[edit]

In gathering input, I'd like you to take a look at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Take This Lollipop and tell me if you think it's ready for mainspace. To be Frank, once I began the thing practically wrote itself. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A second set of eyes is always appreciated. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:31, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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Environmental Law at USF[edit]

Hey Jim,

I'm the Instructor for Environmental Law at University of San Francisco. We met last year when you came and spoke to my students who were involved with Wikimedia's Public Policy Initiative.You were the online ambassador for many of them and the student's had a very positive experience with you. I'm teaching the same course this Spring and my students will be creating wikipedia pages- as they did last year. I'm wondering if you are available to help some of them as an online ambassador this year? Here's the link to my course page and the students will be getting started next week.


Aarf613 (talk) 20:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy to help, Aaron. Would you like me to visit your classroom this semester? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Introduction and followed users[edit]

Hi Jim, I'm the Campus Ambassador for Aaron Frank's course, nice to meet you! I met with the class today and got them all to create accounts - the list of usernames is at Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Environmental Law (Aaron Frank)#Students. We introduced a few basics like how to make a link and create a user sandbox, and how to leave a talk page message for either of us. I also wanted to tell you about a Toolserver tool I created called Followed users that I believe will be very helpful for reviewing edits made by the class as soon as they make them. Please give it a try and let me know if you need any help setting it up. Thanks! Dcoetzee 00:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Derrick. We met at the Wikipedia in Higher Education conference in Boston last summer. I will give your tool a try. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm terrible at remembering names. Good to see you again in that case. :-) Dcoetzee 08:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Derrick Bell[edit]

Hi Cullen,

Yes, I looked at this very carefully. There are sections of the wikipedia article that are copied from the Gale Contemporary Black Biography text on the page (NOT the Wikipedia text). For instance, the following text appears in both the Gale article and the Wikipedia article:

Bell established a new course in civil rights law at Harvard, publishing a celebrated case book, Race, Racism and American Law, and producing a steady stream of law review articles. As a teacher, Bell became a mentor and rolemodel to a generation of students of color, but he played a delicate balancing act at the university.
Bell became the first black tenured professor in Harvard Law School's history and called on the university to improve its minority hiring record. But shortly after his tenure in 1971, a white university vice-president tried to purchase a house that Bell had been offered through a school program; Bell saw this as a blatant case of discrimination. This was only the first case in which Bell's charges of racism would mobilize his supporters, who championed his efforts to stand up for principle, and anger his detractors, who accused him of being too quick with his allegations of bigotry.

There are several other examples. I know its a bit confusing because the page includes wikipedia text, but this is very clearly copyvio. GabrielF (talk) 21:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your prompt and clear answer. I will try to work on this important article this evening. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
No problem, I didn't want to blank the page because of all of the media attention on Bell and Obama. Thanks for dealing with this promptly. GabrielF (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Women's History Month edit-a-thon at the WMF office[edit]

Hi Jim, I thought you might be interested in the Women's History Month edit-a-thon happening this Saturday, 1-5 p.m. in our office in SF. We'd love to have experienced Wikipedians like you around to help newbies, answer questions, and facilitate discussion :) Check out the details here and sign up if you're interested. Hope to see you again Saturday! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

My wife and I had a great time at the Edit-a-thon. Thanks for the invitation, Maryana. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Cullen! Glad to see you lending a hand. As requested on the "Your hosts" page, it'd be wonderful to have people who are answering questions (hosts) participate in all areas that the hosts are asked to participate in per that host page. Two things I'd LOVE help with specifically: inviting people and when you are finished answering a question on the Teahouse page, it'd be awesome if you'd leave a Teahouse Talkback on the editors page. These are all necessities during (and honestly, beyond) the pilot phase of this project, and is very important in us tracking metrics to judge the projects successes, or failures. If this is going to be an issue, feel free to let me know! Thanks again for participating, you're doing an awesome job :) Sarah (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

HighBeam Research promotion[edit]

Hi! Thanks so much for signing up to assist with the HighBeam Research project. The first step in getting this project started is widespread promotion of the account sign-up opportunity. Anywhere and anyone you can tell will help make sure that no editors miss out. We're keeping track of where the project has been promoted on the promotion page. If you notify people, please add {{done}} after an entry on the promotion page with a [link] to where you did so. Here's a sample text you might use:

  • HighBeam Research--an online, pay-for-use search engine for newspapers, magazines, academic journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias has agreed to give free, full-access, 1-year accounts for up to 1000 Wikipedia editors to use. HighBeam has access to over 80 million articles from 6,500 publications, most of which are not available for free elsewhere on the internet. Aside from a free 7-day trial (credit card required), access to HighBeam would cost $30 per month or $200 per year for the first year and $300 for subsequent years, so this is a wonderful, free, no-strings-attached opportunity. To qualify, editors must have at least a 1 year-old account with 1000 edits. Please add your name to the WP:HighBeam/Applications account sign-up page if you are interested.

Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, ideas, or otherwise. Awesome to have your help! Ocaasi t | c 17:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

New mobile stuff[edit]

Hi Jim, great to see you this weekend at the edit-a-thon. :) I just wanted to say that there are new designs for stuff like mobile login, reference viewing, and more up at mw:Mobile design. If you could peruse them and comment, that would be a huge help considering how much you use the mobile site. (Feel free to say I invited you to give input too.) Best regards, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 23:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Steven, I really don't use the mobile site all that much, because it doesn't allow editing. Instead, I access the regular site through my Android smart phone. I can edit blocks of text that are fairly short, but the Android text editor bogs down on big blocks of text, and won't scroll to the bottom. So, it is hit or miss. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah, okay. I misunderstood. In any case, I also wanted to drop you a note about the "Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon" page I just started. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Very nice, Steven. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!![edit]

Hi there, Thank you for the help with my new article, I really appreciate it! :-D Cupcakemuffin (talk) 23:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thanks for writing a great neutral article on Mary Gardiner! One fewer red link in Wikipedia thanks to you. :)

Catavar (talk) 05:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse![edit]

Hi Cullen! Thank you for signing up to be a future host at the Teahouse. Well, great news - the future is here, we'd love you to be a Teahouse host! During this pilot time, Teahouse hosts do more than just ask questions - they invite new users to the Teahouse and track those invitations, they also provide input and insight into the development of the Teahouse. A few things I'd love to see you do as a Teahouse host:

  • First, declare your Hostness! Add yourself to the Host page! This page is where new editors and your fellow hosts can learn about you and reach out. By signing up here you declare that you know how to serve up a great cup of tea. Add yourself here.
  • Learn more about your responsibilities as a host. Teahouse hosts have certain responsibilities during this pilot. If you feel you can't meet them, perhaps a host role isn't for you during this important pilot.
  • Invite new users with our invite guide. Aside from answering questions, the most important thing we need you to do as a host is to invite new users. Please follow these steps and invite as many as you can to experience the Teahouse. Also, please document your experience in the spreadsheet link provided on that page!
  • Visit the tips page. The tips page provides you some basic tips on how to engage with visitors at the Teahouse. We have a special way of doing things - unlike other areas of Wikipedia! (Such as greeting new editors with a simple "Hi!" and being as easy to understand and friendly as possible.)
  • Join the conversation by participating on the host lounge talk pages. We also have an IRC channel now for hosts to get to know one another, develop your skills, and eventually the channel will serve as an additional help space for new editors!

I'm so happy that you volunteered to lend a hand at the Teahouse. I look forward to following your contributions and invitations, and your assistance in making the Teahouse a great and warm place for new Wikipedians. See you there :) Sarah (talk) 22:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

P.s. You can also invite students you work with - just document it on the spreadsheet :) I'm hoping you can make time, you've been really great at responding to questions - and we desperately need help with invitations! Sarah (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a question at the Teahouse you might have interest in...[edit]

Dear Cullen328, I just asked a question at the Teahouse that you might have interest in! I hope you'll stop by and participate! Sarah (talk) 23:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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Please help out at the Paid Editor Help page[edit]

While not a huge backlog yet, we're getting to it on the Paid Editor Help page. The sections that need replies include Colin Digiaro, Guy Bavli, Strayer University, Stevens Institute of Technology, and a general backlog in the Request Edits category. If you could help in any of these sections (primarily the first four), I would be really grateful. This notification is going out to a number of Wikiproject Cooperation members in the hopes that we can clear out all of the noted sections. And feel free to respond to a section and help out even if someone else had already responded there. The more eyes we get on a specific request, the more sure we can be on the neutrality of implementing it. Thanks! SilverserenC 03:22, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amish doll[edit]

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Creating a stub[edit]

Hi Cullen328! I hope everything is going well with you. One of the students for my class wants to create a stub article. I was wondering if you had any advice on this. She's User:Bhaluska and has written about it in her sandbox. Thanks for all your help! Semccraw (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Here are my opinions on this: I would not recommend deliberately creating a stub article because a stub is an article that is "too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject". Stubs, unless well-referenced, are targets for speedy deletion, and if high quality references are available, then the article should be more than a stub when it is moved to the mainspace. I would recommend that the article be developed in the sandbox, that the article provide a thorough academic overview of the topic, and that a minimum of two, but preferably three or many more reliable, independent reliable sources be cited in the article before it is moved to mainspace. Every significant assertion should be referenced properly, and the article should only summarize what the reliable sources say, and should avoid any original research.
In this specific case, I would look at the list of language design features in Charles F. Hockett, and I would start out by resolving the contradiction between "16 design features" and the actual list which contains 13 features instead of 16. Of those 13, eight are blue links indicating that articles on those features already exist. I would review all eight of those articles, and pattern the new article on the best features of those eight. I would take a look at the references in those eight articles, and also the Hockett article, to find high quality sources for the new article.
Perhaps other reliable sources have been identified in your class, and that is all the better. Please encourage the student to ask questions on my talk page at any time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

DRV of Andre Barnett[edit]

Hi Cullen, you voiced your opinion on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Andre_Barnett, a discussion I closed, and it's currently at DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#25_March_2012. I'm notifying you of the discussion on behalf of User:Valenciano, who can't notify you because of a problem with his connection. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Water cycle - new definition[edit]

Water Cycle - new definition as "Waterway Cycle" Water Cycle - new definition as "Waterway Cycle" (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log) (Find sources: "Water Cycle - new definition as "Waterway Cycle"" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images) This is an essay, and really does not belong on Wikipedia. -- Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 05:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Delete as original research and a non-notable neologism. The only reference is a conference paper by the creator. I have been unable to find any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC) "Neologism" The posture that the term "Waterway Cycle" qualifies as a "neologism" is correct. Perhaps, it will be best for Wikipedia if this newly coined term is deleted. On another note, there is solid scientific research that fully documents the existence of the three interdependent and interactive water cycles as presented. However, no one has yet to synthesize recent scientific research and extant water cycle data into a coherent and more accurate definition for our Earth's water cycle. Thus, the genesis of my effort to accomplish this task. I have been involved with water research for over forty years and have presented information from my books and essays at the United Nations and various international water conventions. My award-winning book, "Water Voices from Around the World," includes essays from some of the worlds foremost water experts and researchers: Mikhail Gorbachev (Chair, Green Cross International); Dr. Jane Goodall; Glenn Estess (former President of Rotary International); Larry Fahn (former President of Sierra Club); Peter Bridgewater (Secretary General Ramsar); Gedeon Dagan (Stockholm Water Prize Recipient); Gilbert M. Grosvenor (Chair, National Geographic Society); Dr. Eilon Adar (Director of Water Research, Ben-Gurion University), and many others. My water research also includes interviewing the world's foremost NASA scientists, and oceanic researchers such Dr. Robert Ballard (from whom the "oceanic water cycle" data is sourced). Granted, this page needs additional references to fully meet Wikipedia's standards, which I intend to do. However, if Wiki's posture is to delete this page - I will just move on to other projects, one of which is a book on this subject. In advance, I thank you for your response and editorial suggestions, Williamwaterway (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC). Delete as a personal essay. JIP | Talk 13:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Hi Cullen - above is the current status of "delete" recommendation. This posture to "delete" is fine with me - please inform as to how we may proceed to delete from Wikipedia - thank you, Williamwaterway (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Language Acquisition Help[edit]

Hi Jim, my partner and I are working on the Language Acquistion article for our linguistics class and we need help inserting reference numbers after our sentences. For example, after people cite information they insert a little blue number in the upper right hand corner that links you to the bottom of the reference page. How do we insert this number and citation? Cindyy1 (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Cindy Cardenas

Hi Cindy, I recommend that you check out "References for beginners", which can be found at shortcut WP:REFBEGIN. There are many methods but I recommend starting with manual referencing so that you will develop a complete understanding of how it works. You don't need to actually add the numbers - the software does that and renumbers when new references are added. Hope this helps. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons[edit]

Hi Cullen328! This user is interested in doing videos and sound on Wikipedia. You can see on his talk page that they already have a video. Do you know much about adding these to pages and can you tell that they are able to use these without copyright issues. Thank you so much for your help! Semccraw (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

If Maxsasaki creates the videos or recordings, and agrees to release them under the proper Creative Commons license, then the user can upload to Wikimedia Commons with no problem. They can then be used in any article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

A pie for you![edit]

A very beautiful Nectarine Pie.jpg Happy Birthday! I dont know how can I wish you in real life, probably i wont be able to. But today i think, it is your 60th birthday. So, a pie for you! Again, many many happy returns of the day! Just enjoy this day! Face-smile.svg Yasht101 :) 04:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
You are a detective, my friend, and you are correct. So thank you for the virtual pie. Instead of cake, I had Key lime pie for my birthday dessert, so that nectarine pie you sent was close. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Merge articles[edit]

Hi Cullen328! I found two articles that are on the same thing. Jugoslovenska Kinoteka and Yugoslav Film Archive are the same archive but with the name in English and in the language there. I've seen articles that are suggested to merge or to delete. Is there anything I can do about this? Thanks! Semccraw (talk) 03:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, you can find information about how to do a merge at WP:MERGE. Sorry to be slow to respond - I've been taking a brief break from Wikipedia to work on some other writing projects. The article should be under the common English spelling, with native language name mentioned in the first sentence of the article. Then there should be a redirect from the first name to the secondCullen328 Let's discuss it 02:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Applications for free, full access, 1-year accounts from HighBeam Research officially open[edit]

The applications for 1000 free accounts is now officially open until April 9th. I have the account codes in my email box and we are ready to go. This week's main goal is promotion. Several editors have already done a great job of getting the word out, but there is still time to make sure people don't miss out on the opportunity. Please tell your Wikipedia friends, WikiProjects, non-English Wikipedias, and anywhere else you think people would benefit from knowing. You can record your progress at WP:HighBeam/Promotion where we're keeping track of all of the notifications. Thanks so much for your help! I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Two[edit]

Hi! Welcome to the second edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!

  • Teahouse celebrates one month of being open! This first month has drawn a lot of community interest to the Teahouse. Hosts & community members have been working with the project team to improve the project in many ways including creating scripts to make inviting easier, exploring mediation processes for troubling guests, and best practices regarding mentoring for new editors who visit the Teahouse.
Springtime means fresh tea leaves...
  • First month metrics report an average of 30 new editors visiting the Teahouse each week. Approximately 30 new editors participate in the Teahouse each week, by way of asking questions and making guest profiles. An average of six new questions and four new profiles are made each day. We'd love to hear your ideas about how we can spread the word about the Teahouse to more new editors.
  • Teahouse has many regulars. Like any great teahouse, our Teahouse has a 61% return rate of guests, who come back to ask additional questions and to also help answer others' questions. Return guests cite the speedy response rate of hosts and the friendly, easy to understand responses by the hosts and other participants as the main reasons for coming back for another cup o' tea!
  • Early metrics on retention. It's still too early to draw conclusions about the Teahouse's impact on new editor retention, but, early data shows that 38% of new editors who participate at the Teahouse are still actively editing Wikipedia 2-4 weeks later, this is compared with 7% from a control group of uninvited new editors who showed similar first day editing activity. Additional metrics can be found on the Teahouse metrics page.
  • Nine new hosts welcomed to the Teahouse. Nine new hosts have been welcomed to the Teahouse during month one: Chicocvenancio, Cullen328, Hallows AG, Jeffwang, Mono, Tony1, Worm That Turned, Writ Keeper, and Nathan2055. Welcome to the Teahouse gang, folks!
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Dispute resolution survey[edit]

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Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite

Hello Cullen328. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

Please click HERE to participate.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.

You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 22:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)



You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Projects for Aaron Frank's Env. Law Class at USF[edit]

Hi Jim I am considering the following topics for my project in Aaron Franks, Env Law class at USF and would like to get your feed back on them if possible. TriValley Cares v US DOE (Ninth District Court); Metropolitan Edison v People Against Nuclear Power (Supreme Court); Silkwood v Kerr McGee (Supreme Court); Thomas v Union Carbide (Supreme Court); Low Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendment Act of 1985

Thank you, Bkkperkins (talk) 19:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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Of Possible Interest[edit]

A modest effort to improve the clarity of the COI guideline for PR people [1]. You posted on my Talk page about CREWE a while back, so I thought you might be interested. Figured it was about time someone help improve it rather than just complain about it. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 00:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Links for you re Chamber of Holocaust[edit]

Try these for the research, external links. They may be useful, or they may suck.

I think this one was used, give it a spin if not:

another link: — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChesPal (talkcontribs) 03:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Melvyn Maxwell and Sara Stein Smith House[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Three[edit]

Hi! Welcome to the third edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!

  • Teahouse reaches two month mark. The Teahouse has been live on English Wikipedia for two months now and evidence of the project's impact is beginning to show. Thank you to the hosts and Wikipedians who have helped make the Teahouse the valuable place for new editor's to seek help and feel welcome.
  • April metrics report has been posted on meta! Some relevant metrics from April’s report include:
  • In April, Teahouse averaged 45 questions per week.
  • An average of 20 new editors visiting for the first time were served at the Teahouse, in addition to repeat guests.
Wikipedia Teahouse always keeps it classy!
  • Many guests are repeat visitors: the average guest asks 1.5 questions and 22% of guests ask more than one question.
  • Reports show that the Teahouse is having a positive impact on editor engagement! Comparing a sample of 75 new editors who participate in the Teahouse with a control group (of equivalent size and similar first-day editing activity) shows:
  • New editors who participate in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles than the uninvited control group.
  • New editor participants also make an average six times more global edits.
  • Average Teahouse participants add 26 times more bytes of content that survive on Wikipedia (meaning content that isn't reverted or deleted) than the uninvited control group.
  • More Teahouse participants remain active on Wikipedia at least 10 days later. Among the 224 editors in our three experimental groups, 28 percent of new editors who participate in the Teahouse were still active on Wikipedia at least ten days later, compared with 12 percent who received an invitation but didn't actively participate in the Teahouse, and only 5 percent from a similar uninvited control group.
  • Teahouse visibility is a challenge, as we try to make the Teahouse visible to new editors, invitation has been the the main way of informing new editors about the Teahouse, and while that is a powerful tool, many new editors go uninvited. Input on Teahouse link placement is welcome! (Join in on the conversation here.)
  • Want to know how you can lend a hand at the Teahouse? Become a host! Learn more about what makes the Teahouse different than other help spaces on Wikipedia and see how you can help new editors by visiting here.
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You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Previous Rfd – Homestead Book Company resurrected[edit]

I am here as you were part of a previously Rfd discussion HERE. Based on the comments on the Rfd, I believe that this article could have been saved if it was cited better and written more in Wikipedia styling and formatting (Wikified article HERE). I have made substantial improvements to the article and reposted it. As you part of the discussion for Rfd (either you nominated or took part in the Rfd discussion), I wanted to personally notify you. While this is not an official Rfc, I would appreciate any feedback that you may have. I have not notified the original creator of the article as it does not look like they have made any contributions on Wikipedia since the article was deleted. --Morning277 (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


Dear user, I found your name here WikiProject_Paid_Advocacy_Watch and was wondering whether you could take a look at at [talk page on Kosovo], specifically the bit about the proposed merger to determine whether these very (overly) active users are suspicious. It boggles my mind how a group of editors can be so united and zealous in promoting a particular case without receiving some sort of reward (?) Ottomanist (talk) 11:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Please fill out our brief Teahouse survey[edit]

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Cullen, old friend, how are you doing? And how is Mrs. Cullen? Have I asked you already if you're going to Wikimania? Drmies (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Drmies. We are both doing well, especially with our business which has been busier in recent months than at any time since the infernal recession started. So I've been working long hours with less time to devote to Wikipedia. Also, we are preparing for a week in the High Sierra above 10,000 feet in September, which means walking, hiking and exercising more. But I still have lots of Wikipedia projects in mind, so you will see me around from time to time. The Mrs. too. We probably won't attend Wikimania, but maybe we'll decide to go at the last minute. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
That would be great. Glad to hear the good news. Keep your head in the clouds, Drmies (talk) 18:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

You're invited: San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon 2![edit]

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San Francisco Wiknic 2012[edit]

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August Hermann Ewerbeck[edit]

Hello Cullen328, you wrote in that article, Ewerbeck was the author of Deutsche Philosophie und Sozialismus with the reference (Deborah Mutch: A Working-Class Tragedy: The Fiction of Henry Mayers Hyndman, Nineteenth-Century Studies, vol. 20 (2007), S. 99–112). All biographers of Ewerbeck did not know that work. I tried to find a book with that titel in Europe and in the Congress Libary, but I did not succed. Will you tell me or write down in that article of Ewerbeck the publisher, place and year or the full details of the article, if it had been published in a periodical. Please we also the German version. Thank for help. --Whoiswohme (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Here's a link to the reference in Google Books:
Nineteenth-century studies, Volume 20
Bibliographic information
Title Nineteenth-century studies, Volume 20
Author Southeastern Nineteenth-Century Studies Association
Publisher Southeastern Nineteenth-Century Studies Association, 2006
Original from the University of Virginia
Digitized Apr 12, 2008
Subjects Literary Criticism › European › English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh
I hope this helps. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cullen, I think that not enough. If you search for that book try it here Virtual Catalogo Karlsruhe please. All the German speaking authors did not mentioned a title like that. Your source is not enough concreat. A year, a place of printing date are missing. In the German version you will fin this books and if possible a link for online reading. Best regards. --Whoiswohme (talk) 10:01, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
If you believe that Mutch is in error, then please feel free to remove the mention of the publication from the article. I have no objection if you are confident that the information is wrong.Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Host feedback needed at the Teahouse![edit]

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Ann Louise Gittleman[edit]

Hi Cullen, thanks for the revert on Ann Louise Gittleman. A de facto banned and imminently actually banned paid sockpuppeteer was commissioned to work on this article, and Cordent1ptgw (talk · contribs) was that editor. WilliamH (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, WilliamH. I suspected something like that, given that the massive expansion was only the user's third edit, and also the nature of the edit. Did you take a look at the message I left on their talk page? I would welcome additional feedback, as I am returning to more active editing after several months of reduced involvement to work on other matters. Take care. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Yep you were right. There is a proposal to formalise the ban on him, but I've been treating him that way anyway, as his contribtutions are so utterly beyond the pale. As for yours, keep it up! WilliamH (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I took a look and came to this decision before I found this diff - you are now a rollbacker. Use it only for bad-faith edits - if an editor believes they are improving the project, use the undo button instead. Good luck! WilliamH (talk) 16:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much, William - I am truly honored. I had asked for the rollback power last year and had been declined because I am not a committed everyday vandal fighter. But of course, I correct vandalism whenever I notice it in my other Wikipedia work, and this right will be very useful to me. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

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The Tea Leaf - Issue Four[edit]

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Thank you for attending the second SF WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon[edit]

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Jim! It was awesome meeting you at the edit-a-thon this weekend. Your family is awesome, too. Looking forward to getting to know you now that I'm in the area. Also, great work at creating Breach of Peace: Portraits of the 1961 Mississippi Freedom Riders. Thanks :) Sarah (talk) 20:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Request for information[edit]

I saw your sig on Ranpayne's talk page. How did you change your talk page link from "talk" to "Let's discuss it?" Guyovski (talk) 23:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Guyovski. Take a look at WP:SIGNATURES which explains it well. Click on "My preferences" at the very top of a page while logged in. You can customize your signature there - just don't try anything too exotic. Be sure that your signature reflects your actual username, and gives other editors a way to communicate with you. Good luck! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:21, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Re. my talk page, subsection "Expanding stubs"[edit]

Regarding your edit to User talk:Guyovski#expanding stubs, the editor in question is very new and raw, so maybe you were a little harsh with him. I realize it's up to him to educate himself and ask specific questions but he might not know enough to be able to do that. Just thought that was something you might want to consider. Guyovski (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, but I don't think either of us were overly harsh. This new editor is clearly a capable adult, and can only benefit from frank input from both of us, which includes both praise and constructive suggestions for improvement. We both recognize that the expansion represents progress, but also introduces a new set of editorial problems. I did some editing of the article in question as well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Somewhat hurried responses to teahouse questions[edit]

Hey, I wasn't going to say anything before, but since it's now been discussed at length on the admins noticeboard, I wanted to point something out to you. You told Guyovsky that you see no indication that he's about to get blocked - obviously that response was not properly researched. I felt the same way when you responded to my question on the teahouse regarding the Egyptian revolution article. The issue of hurried responses in the teahouse was addressed when a similar problem occurred - an editor complained about harassment and many quickly offered help, when sufficient research would've revealed that the situation was misrepresented. Please don't take this as personal criticism in any way - I think your responses have otherwise been kind and helpful. Just a bit of constructive feedback. ʝunglejill 13:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I was well aware of Guyovsky's dispute with Joseph, and my intention was to encourage the editor to move on and avoid escalating the situation. Clearly, Guyovsky didn't take my advice or that offered by several others. I was unaware of the ADL report, and the discussion at ANI took place later. In retrospect, you are right in that I should have looked at Joseph's talk page immediately before responding at the Teahouse. I had looked at it before the ADL matter came up. My response would have been different if I was more up to date, and so I apologize for that.
As for my response to you about the dispute regarding the article on the Egyptian revolution, I do not see the normal role of Teahouse hosts as delving deeply into ongoing content disputes. Rather, I see our role as giving tips for becoming more effective editors. In all honesty, I thought you could have done a better job of characterizing the issue when you asked your question. Given the information I had, I made an effort to give you some suggestions. I regret that you found my answer lacking. I will review the whole situation, try to learn from it, and try to do better going forward.
Let me conclude by complimenting you for the many helpful responses to others that you've offered lately. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 14:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Sure, my question did not belong there, specifically because of what you said - teahouse hosts should not be expected to delve that deeply into that kind of issue. I later reconsidered my approach to the situation. It was my first disagreement with other editors, and I took it too seriously. But I do think that when someone comes to the teahouse with a question about misconduct, hosts need to do as much research as can be reasonably expected before they reply. Anyway, I think we both understand each other well enough. Thank you for the compliment. :) ʝunglejill 16:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Your point about questions about misconduct is correct and well-taken. I will be more diligent in the future, thanks to your constructive remarks. As for my compliment, you have more than earned it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Steely Dan[edit]

Hello Jim, my name is Ivan. I was just throwing notes up on wiki to try to reach some old music folks, namely, anyone envolved with the recording of the AJA album from 1977. I am having dificulty in trying to reach anyone from the Steely Dan group. Could you help me get a message to any of them.Donald Fagen, Walter becker, or their producer Gary Katz. I know this is a little unorthadox, but I'm not having any luck any other way. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azrider43 (talkcontribs) 18:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello Azrider43. I am not sure how you selected me, but by chance, you reached an editor who very much likes Steely Dan's music. Like many celebrities, they are very protective of their privacy. I suggest that you contact their managers. Steely Dan are represented by Irving Azoff and his Front Line Management Group. That is a link to the Bloomberg Businessweek listing for Azoff's company, which itself is pretty secretive. Too many inquiries from too many enthusiastic fans, I guess. Hope this helps. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Coordinator sought for the US National Archives WikiProject[edit]

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Greetings, WikiProject US National Archives member!

We are seeking a coordinator to help reboot the project and work on new initiatives! The role is modeled after other Wikiproject coordinators, like the WikiProject Military History coordinators. The coordinator will work with the Wikipedian in Residence to organize and increase participation in the WikiProject, with the goal that the WikiProject is an active space for collaboration maintained by and for the Wikipedia editors, rather than the National Archives.

Please see the full information at Wikipedia:GLAM/NARA/Coordinator and contact me is you have any questions. Feel free to pass this note along to any interested parties. Thanks! Dominic·t 21:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Reverting NtheP?[edit]

Hi Cullen! I'm curious why you removed NtheP's answer? Maybe you are in the middle of a process and I am jumping the gun. heather walls (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

It was an inadvertent edit - I apologize - please restore. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:44, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Okay! :) heather walls (talk) 18:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


Jim, any particular reason you rolled back my last edit on this page? it's normal practice to tell someone if they're barking in the wrong place and give some pointers including off-wiki where they can find an answer. NtheP (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I apologize - I was editing with a mobile phone, got distracted by the "real world" and put the phone in my pocket and must have hit revert acciddntally. It was an unintentional error. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
No worries - I've done exactly the same myself, the perils of mobile computing :-) NtheP (talk) 17:54, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Motorcycling Wikiproject[edit]

Welcome to the Motorcycling WikiProject. Hopefully you have a good time, start many new articles and can contribute lots to the existing ones as we need that. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 04:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Oren Wilkes[edit]

Hi Jim,

You recently commented on an article that I published on here for Oren Wilkes. I wanted to find out what the issue is with his Wikipedia page and why it keeps coming up for deletion. He is a well know model and owner of one of the biggest men's lifestyle blogs apart of Glam Media. He's been featured in several national advertising campaigns including his most recent work with Nivea for men in which he was the global face of the brand alongside Rihanna. In addition, last month he was featured in an 8-part author series with Subaru for his work with his site. Please let me know what I need to do to make sure the article is fine. He has mentions in AOL news, Huffington Post (unbiasedwriter), Essence Magazine, AdWeek, and a handful of top entertainment blogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha (talkcontribs) 19:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

In order for notability to be established for a biography of a living person here on Wikipedia, we need references giving significant coverage to the topic of Oren Wilkes in reliable, independent sources. The coverage should be sufficient to allow a well-referenced biography to be written. To determine if a source is reliable, it has to be judged in context. Here is an important standard: "In general, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article, and should be appropriate to the claims made. If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." The vast majority of blogs are not considered to be reliable sources, especially for the purpose of establishing notability. Rare exceptions include blogs by professional journalists that are under a respected newspaper's editorial control and serve as an online extension of the newspaper. It is up to experienced, uninvolved editors here at Wikipedia to evaluate whether or not a topic (Oren Wilkes, in this case) has received sufficient coverage to be considered notable. None of the sources I've seen so far come anywhere close to the standards I expect for a biography here on Wikipedia. They are entirely promotional in nature, or simply feature photos of Oren Wilkes. That is why I am recommending that the article be deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Up for mentoring?[edit]

Ethan Oksen has put in a request for mentorship here on Wikiproject Cooperation. I was wondering if you were up for it. He looks to be experienced enough, so it shouldn't be too much work on your part in regards to mentoring him. SilverserenC 01:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I have left a message on the editor's talk page, and will consider the possibility based on how he responds. No promises, but I will think about it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Just try and be nice, okay? :/ SilverserenC 08:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I always try to be nice but being human, sometimes fail. So please feel free to point it out to me if I come across as too brusque or not nice enough, OK? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
It just seems like you're approaching him from a negative standpoint and obliquely accusing him of not doing anything on Wikipedia. SilverserenC 09:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You said that "He looks to be experienced enough" and I see a count of nine total edits among two accounts, plus a statement that he has done some editing while not logged in. He was a student in a class at UC Berkeley taught by Kevin Gorman that involved Wikipedia editing. I think that it's reasonable for me to ask about his work here to date. If you disagree, then perhaps I am not the right person to mentor him. Please advise. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 09:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
It's not asking that's wrong, it's the way you're asking. Like the "Perhaps you can point out to me to what I'm missing?" sounds kinda rude. Not to mention the "Are you familiar with the bitter disputes here on Wikipedia about paid editing?" Really, all I can advise is, lighten up. And that's not meant to sound condescending, but just try to treat him as someone who's here to make improvements too, rather than someone who you're trying to make sure doesn't ruin something. SilverserenC 09:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I will think about what you've said for a few hours, and probably withdraw my offer to consider mentorship of this editor. I suspect that I am not the right person for the job as you see it, as I prefer a more straightforward way of interacting. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 09:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Alright. :/ I'm sorry if i've offended you at all. SilverserenC 09:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I think "bemused" might be a better word than "offended". Cullen328 Let's discuss it 09:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I will wait to see what Ethan Oksen has to say, and take it from there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 10:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Cullen - I've left you a message on my talk-page that will hopefully address some of your concerns. Ethan Oksen (COI) (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for not replying to your latest message sooner, but I have a busy schedule this week and you seemed like someone liable to appreciate a deeper reply. I've posted in the thread on my talk page again, hopefully it will give you some more insight in to my mindset, and makes you feel a little more optimistic about how I'll turn out :) Ethan Oksen (COI) (talk) 11:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much. I found this page the other day; more than half lack corresponding articles in English. Ericoides (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for participating in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noach (parsha). I appreciate your input.-Dauster (talk) 01:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I hope that my tactic of suggesting improvements while arguing for the notability of the topic is effective. I feel very strongly that your articles should be kept. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I put this talkback template up yesterday but forgot to save what I was writing over there. I've done so now. I'd really, really appreciate your thoughts. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Once more, back atcha. Have a look at my last response. In any event, I'm cautiously optimistic we turned the corner overnight. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the constructive and persuasive participation in the discussion. I very much appreciate it. -- Dauster (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the support[edit]

Jim,i would to like to thank you for the support for Stavros Malas article.I registered in Wikipedia 3 days ago.I thought for a good start , i should write for a person that i was sure about him . That person should be Stavros Malas. He is a Minister of a recognised country(and also president of the Council of the EU) and he is the candidate president of the governmental party.I find it so STUPID that some people could delete this article.Maybe they want more Edit count to enrich their profile.Once again thank you so much.You can call me Jim too(from Dimitris in greek). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimnaz (talkcontribs) 13:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Mike Fisher[edit]

Hello, thank you for your input on the Mike Fisher article, as I've explained to Freshfighter9 and Kangaroopower, the friendship is personal knowledge of mine, and I found the best source possible, I will do some digging, but that may be the best I can get. Also, thanks for the image advice, I am new to Wikipedia and am still learning how to use the image tool, I think a Predators photo would be better suited now that it's his team. Thanks again! Edgehead1212 (talk) 01:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Perhaps you haven't yet learned this, but additions based only on "personal knowledge" are simply not allowed in Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia has a policy that says no original research, which includes your own personal knowledge. One of our core policies is verifiability, namely, the ability of a reader to check the references from reliable, independent published sources to verify that the information is true.
So for you as an individual, your personal knowledge may be the best source possible, but for a Wikipedia article, it is not an acceptable source in any way.
I agree that it would be good to have a photo of Mike Fisher in the uniform of his current team. But it must be a photo that has been properly licensed under Creative Commons. Again, this is essential when talking about replacing an existing photo with a new one. If you have taken such a photo yourself, then it can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and used in this article. But you can't use a copyrighted photo without the proper license, or a photo whose copyright status is unclear. Wikipedia is very strict about this. It is simply not allowed.
Feel free to ask additional questions. If you stick with it and learn the policies, you can be a useful contributor to Wikipedia. Good luck. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the good wishes and the advice on copyrights etc. I will definitely come to you with additional questions and issues, I look forward to improving! LESNAR COME BACK TO UFC!!! 01:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but how do you tell if a photo is safe to use, I use Google images, but am open to trying different engines i.e tumblr.Appreciate it! Want to know how to keep an idiot busy? Click here. 01:39, 12 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgehead1212 (talkcontribs)

No problem. If you take a photo yourself and release it under a Creative Commons license, then it is acceptable to use. I have taken many such photos myself. Any photo you find on Wikimedia Commons is OK to use. Photos taken by the U.S. Federal government are almost always in the public domain and are OK to use with some caution. Policies of other government agencies may vary. Photos published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public domain because copyright has expired and are OK to use. I sometimes scan such photos from old books when working on historical topics. You should assume that ANY photo you find online is copyrighted and unacceptable to use on Wikipedia unless you see clear reference to its copyright-free status or appropriate Creative Commons license. Many websites do not pay much attention to copyright. Wikipedia does, and there is no flexibility on this policy. We do not knowingly violate copyright. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand completely, however, what if I were to take an image from Google, is there anyway to determine if it's copyrighted and/or without a Creative Commons license?Want to know how to keep an idiot busy? Click here. 01:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You have to read the captions and examine things carefully. If it is labeled "copyright so and so", then clearly it can't be used. But if it isn't labeled clearly then it must be assumed to be copyrighted unless you have specific information otherwise. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that makes it very clear, thank you for your patience and time! Keep up the good work! Want to know how to keep an idiot busy? Click here. 02:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)Want to know how to keep an idiot busy? Click here. 02:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Inviting comments on a proposed change[edit]

Hallo again, Cullen.

I have been trying to get some comments on my rewritten version of the history section in the Democratic Education entry, without success. Would it be in order just to post my new version and see what happens? At the moment my suggested version is just sitting on the talk page. Elbbirg (talk) 17:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I have responded at Talk:Democratic education. I suggest that you ask for comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Education. Please also review the edit history for the article, and post a neutral notice asking for comments on the talk pages of active editors who have worked on the article in the past few years. Thanks. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again. I can see the importance of referencing everything and avoiding opinions, and I have been working on it, in some cases simply removing my own opinions. I have three more yes/no questions about references. Would it be in order to refer to some of my own published works? Is a reference to a website acceptable? And is a reference to another wikipedia article acceptable? Elbbirg (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
According to WP:SELFCITE, it is allowed to cite your own published work, but caution is in order. You should not cite your own works for the purpose of promotng your own works, and you should also cite the works of others who are published in the same topic area, so that the Wikipedia article in question fairly represents the breadth of what various reliable sources say about the topic
References to websites are definitely allowed, as long as the website itself meets the standards of a reliable, independent source. Ideally, you should select websites with professional editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and a good reputation for accuracy regarding the specific topic being discussed. A website that is acceptable as a source for certain things will not be acceptable as a source for other things. For the sake of discussion, let's say that a movie star marries a research scientist. People magazine's website might be acceptable for the details of the wedding and honeymoon, but not for the details of the scientist's discoveries. For that, we want scientific journals, or at least magazines like Scientific American or newspapers like the New York Times with a reputation for describing such things reasonably accurately.
One Wikipedia article is never acceptable as a reference for another Wikipedia article. Used-submitted websites without professional editorial control such as Wikipedia itself are not acceptable. However, the Wikipedia article you are thinking of may have good references to reliable sources that can be studied and also cited in the second article if appropriate otherwise. Other websites like IMDb, Facebook and YouTube should be used only with extreme caution, avoiding linking to copyright violations or even suspected violations. Let's say that some reliable organization has an official YouTube channel. It would then be OK, in line with other policies and guidelines, to cite a video on that channel as a source. But not some random upload by someone unknown person who may well be violating copyright or selectively editing the video in question. I hope my thoughts on your questions are helpful. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the trouble you are taking with your answers. Can I try you with a specific example? Moo Baan Dek is an orphanage for abused and abandoned children in Thailand. I have spent a week there and seen the work they are doing. My report on this visit makes up a quarter of my book, Lifelines, published by Libertarian Education. I would like to use it as an example of democratic education for the deprived. Would it be adequate to give the only two references I know, that is to say Moo Baan Dek's own website, and the report on my experience there? Elbbirg (talk) 07:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
A Google Books search shows that there are quite a few books that describe this orphanage. I would recommend citing the best of these, as well as your book. Disclose your conflict of interest on your user page and one the article's talk page, and defer if any other editor objects. You should then be OK, in my opinion, assuming that you follow other policies and guidelines as best you can. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for all this help. I feel fairly confident I can cope now. Elbbirg (talk) 07:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


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Steely Dan[edit]

Hello again Jim. It has been awhile since my last use here. I asked if anyone could help me locate folks from the 1977 Steely Dan group. My reason is that I've run across an old 33 1/3rpm, which is a studio disk and a 1st revision from their recording of AJA. It shows (on the lable) that it was recorded at Columbia Record Productions, Santa Maria,CA. It's labled as a "Test Pressing", with two revisions. Get back. Ivan ten2it2day 17:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azrider43 (talkcontribs)

Azrider, I answered your previous question about fifteen sections up. Your record is interesting I'm sure but I can't help you any further. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

COI+ certification proposal[edit]

I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.

Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't been agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 15:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


Weekly Torah portion parsha discussions again[edit]

Hi Cullen. Please see Talk:Chayei Sarah (parsha)#Discussion about sources for new discussions about the content and sources of the 54 weekly Torah portion articles. Please keep track of that discussion as it unfolds. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 07:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Citations in other languages[edit]

In theWikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teofilia Ludwika Zasławska discussion, you stated: "This is the English language encyclopedia of the entire world, not the encylopedia of the English language speaking world. References to sources in languages other than English are entirely acceptable to establish notability, although English sources are preferable when readily available to choose from. A topic covered in reliable, independent sources in other languages is notable for inclusion in the English Wikipedia even if English sources on the topic are lacking." How can one verify if a citation is from a reliable, independent source if the reader is not literate in the language of the citation? We both know that there is some shabby citing in Wikipeidia which often does not support or even contradicts the statement to which it references. Without sounding flipiant, I could back up the statement such as "Cupcakes have been proven to be healthy for you" with a passage from a Finnish monograph on fishing and might not be challenged. Wkharrisjr (talk) 19:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. First of all, I recommend that you read WP:SOURCEACCESS, the relevant part of our policy on verifiability. One thing it says is "The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources" and it goes on to say, "Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones, assuming English sources of equal quality and relevance are available." (bold added) Accordingly, if we are discussing an article about a notable topic pertaining to the United States or Great Britain or Canada or Australia or another English speaking country, there should be many sources readily available in English, and those should be the ones cited. But when writing about a notable topic pertaining to a non-English speaking country, the best sources may well be in another language. For example, there is strong consensus on Wikipedia that all legislators and parliamentarians are considered notable and worthy of a biography. When writing a biography of a member of parliament from New Zealand, English sources will be readily available. When writing a biography of a Polish parliamentarian, Polish language sources may well be the only high-quality sources available. The topic is still notable and worthy of an article on the English Wikipedia.
You ask how you can verify a source if you don't speak the language. Please note that you are not assured "ease of access" to sources. However, there are several ways that you can verify the source. You can go to WP:Translators available, where nine active Polish-to-English translators are listed to assist you. For a "quick-and-dirty" translation, try Google Translate, but develop an understanding of its limitations. You could go to Rosetta Stone or a similar company, and purchase Polish language learning software. Perhaps most important, you can decide to place your trust in an experienced editor like Volunteer Marek, who speaks Polish fluently and has over 33,000 edits here. I hope these comments clarify my views on the matter. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed that, after my "keep" recommendation, an editor called Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus also recommended keeping the article in question. This is another highly trusted editor fluent in Polish, who has over 140,000 edits here. These are the two "go-to" editors that come to mind when I think about Polish topics. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I not a power editor by any means and am still learning the ropes. Obviously, what I assume is correct is not necessarily the consensus. I have a bit of an academic background, so verifiability and transparency are of the utmost importance to me, but obviously the standards are different here. Regardless, I think we all share the same goal of trying to make sure articles are relevant and accessible. Wkharrisjr (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Verifiability is one of our core content policies, and is taken quite seriously. Transparency is provided through open discussion (such as this) and the fact that the edit history of every Wikipedia page is readily available for review, with the exception of highly offensive material and copyright violations which have been removed by administrators. You may enjoy reviewing Wikipedia's Five Pillars, which contain links to the most important policies and guidelines. "Relevance" is subjective in my opinion. I think that the closest concept among Wikipedia editors is notability, which we define in a very specific way. Best wishes to you, and I hope that you will continue contributing to the world's greatest encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


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They call the wind Maria[edit]

Hi, I noticed you asked for feedback on some of your articles on Malleus's talk page and the discussion about They Call the Wind Maria prompted me to have a quick look. A Malleus hasn't replied yet I've taken the liberty of giving you a few of my thoughts:

  • Quite a nice little article but the lead section doen't meet with WP:LEAD. The lead should summarise the article and so it should not have anything in it that isn't in the main body of the text. This also means that it shouldn't really have citations in it as everything in it should be cited elsewhere. The exception would be for a minor factoid that doesn't fit anywhere else. There was a discussion on Malleus's talk page about this recently, see item 27 here. I think the article sections should be; the show version, then the folk revival, then the film version and the critical reception at the end. The lead should be a summary of these sections.
  • Under "Folk Music revival" you mention the Smothers Brothers version, then some other versions and then come back to the Smothers Brothers in a separate paragraph. For me it would read better if all the stuff about the Smothers Brothers was in one paragraph. I did wonder - should they even be in the folk revival section? I wouldn't have thought a comedy record was part of that genre.
  • "Musical historian John Bush Jones " suggests to me that he is a historian who plays a musical instrument. I think it should be "music historian".

I hope you find this useful Richerman (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Cullen, you are a fine, fine contributor and a very nice specimen of homo sapiens. It was such a pleasure to meet you last year, and working with you here in cyberspace and watching you improve this project fills me with delight. I hope that one day I'll be half the gentleman that you are. My best to you and yours. Drmies (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mention - for your info..[edit]

Hi Cullen - I mentioned you here - Youreallycan 13:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


Thanks, Rob. I've commented on your talk page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Blakey[edit]

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the great job you did, Cullen! Drmies (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Not a lot of hits. We're prophets among our own people, Cullen. I found another fascinating thing, with the help of Uncle G. Check out my talk page and Yellow shamanism and associated articles. There should be a quadruple DYK in there. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


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Feedback requested at the Village Pump[edit]

Hey Jim. I have a proposal at the village pump about introducing a color scheme to the text editor so it is easier for newer editors to differentiate between different kinds of syntax, particularly references. I'd welcome your feedback at the village pump. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 01:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget to make your new host profile![edit]

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Hi Cullen! Thanks for being a host at the Teahouse! We're working on the Host lounge renovations and we've created a new way for hosts to become hosts. Please take a few minutes and test it out here, by creating your new host profile. It's also a good excuse to update your image, quote, and information about yourself :) You can join in on the host discussion about the new feature here. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Mills MPP Core Class[edit]

Hi Jim,

I am just starting the Mills MPP Core class and this is my first time with a Wiki account. I am looking forward to learning how to contribute to this tool. Rtrusty (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


Varietease went to AFD as a 35-word stub. Between the two of us, its now at 11x expansion and the AFD should close soon. I'm thinking a suitable DYK might be something like...

Did You know... that Varietease, starring Bettie Page and Lili St. Cyr, was Irving Klaw's first feature length documentary film about 1950s burlesque?

A DYK for us both. What'cha think? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I am thinking that's fantastic, Michael. Thank you VERY much. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Now done and waiting for review. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for your assistance for The Wikipedia Library[edit]

Hi! You signed up to be a helper at the Highbeam project page. As The Wikipedia Library expands, I am seeking some assistants who can collaborate on project administration by spending a few hours now and then working on a variety of tasks.

Right now I am looking for help on the Questia round 1 signups, reviewing editors' applications to check for edit count (1000), account history (1 year), and current blocks. Note, there is no subjective judgment required, just a factual criteria-check. Here's what you can do:

  1. Sign up for a section of 50 applications at this page
  2. The first check involves using Popups (enabled in Special:Preferences -> click "Gadgets", check the box to enable Popups, then click save).
  3. By hovering over a username on the applications list, Popups will show the edit count, age of account, and whether the editor is blocked on English Wikipedia
  4. If an editor is blocked, list their name at this page
  5. If an editor does not meet the 1-year/1000 editor check using Popups, open their user talk page in a new tab in your browser.
  6. Then, you then need to check if the editor meets the criteria on another Wikipedia language project.
  7. To check global contributions use the Global Contributions surveyor] on toolserver.
  8. Toolserver is a bit slow so I find it helpful to have 3 tabs running simultaneously.
  9. Scroll down to the bottom of the toolserver results to see if 1000 edits or 1-year age of accounted are met at another project. You can also see if the editor is blocked on another project.
  10. If neither Popups nor the Global Contribution Surveyor met the criteria, then list their name at [less than 1000 edits, or less than 1 year old account|this page]
  11. Mark your section {{done}} at this page

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much! -- User:Ocaasi 19:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi there!

My name is Nicole, and I am in Mark Henderson's PPOL 230 class. Nice to meet you :) Nicolesowers (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolesowers (talkcontribs) 20:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Varietease[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Congrats. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Potential mobile features we might build[edit]

Since you're one of the Wikipedians I know who definitely edits on mobile... your input would be most appreciated here. Talk page stalkers also welcome :) Cheers, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Mobile watchlist[edit]

Hi Jim, just wanted to give you an update on the mobile watchlist feature – we've got some mockups, and the initial prototype should be ready to test on the Beta in a week or two.

And on that note, would you like to join the newly formed Beta testing team so you can continue to receive updates on experimental new mobile features and test them out before anybody else does? Feel free to sign up and/or spread the word to anybody else who might be interested (talk page stalkers included)! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of new article draft[edit]

Hi Jim, before the weekend I proposed a draft for a new article at Paid Editor Help, where Silverseren has replied to suggest I reach out to others from WikiProject Cooperation. As you're listed as one of the WikiProject's participants, I was wondering if you'd be able to help?

A bit of background: the draft I've written is for the lifestyle and design blog Apartment Therapy, which currently doesn't have a Wikipedia article. I wrote the article draft on behalf of Apartment Therapy and with their input. Due to my COI I'd rather not move the draft out of my userspace myself. I've submitted the draft at AfC, but there's such a big backlog there, I was hoping that editors from WikiProject Cooperation could help by reviewing the article and taking it live once it's ready. If you'd be interested in taking a look at the draft, you can review it at AfC or in my user space here: User:16912_Rhiannon/Apartment_Therapy I would really appreciate any constructive feedback you have to offer. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 17:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

PRSA & O'Dwyer[edit]

Hi Cullen. I noticed you had been in prior contact with O'Dwyer about his dispute with the PRSA regarding the Public Relations Society of America article. I am working on bringing the PRSA article up to GA status and have added a section on the dispute based on articles in The New York Times, WSJ, AdAge and others. I would welcome your feedback if you're interested on that section and the article as a whole. Corporate 14:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi Jim, I did not notice until today that you had left a very nice comment on the Wikipedia Facebook page back in March 2012 when there was the note that linked to the Wikimedia blog entry about how I welcome new editors. So now I am finally thanking you! Nice to meet you! Invertzoo (talk) 00:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle[edit]

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
Seattle Public Library
  • Date Saturday, December 8, 2012
  • Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
  • Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104
  • Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand.
  • Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki.
  • Registration or use on-wiki regsistration.

Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 03:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy holidays![edit]


Hello Cullen328: Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable holiday season! Northamerica1000(talk) 12:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday cheer[edit]

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Merry Xmas![edit]

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Hello, We haven't bumped into each other for a while, but I thought you might like this recent picture I took in the English Lake District, which has a certain Yuletide tang. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 10:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC