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Arbitration motion regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement[edit]

By a vote of 9-1, the Arbitration Committee has passed the following motion:

Remedy 4 ("Malleus Fatuorum topic banned") of Civility Enforcement is vacated, and replaced with the following:

Malleus is topic banned from making edits concerning the RFA process anywhere on the English Wikipedia. As an exception, he may ask questions of the candidates and express his own view on a candidate in a specific RFA (in the support, oppose, or neutral sections), but may not engage in any threaded discussions relating to RFA. An uninvolved admin may remove any comments in violation of this remedy, and may enforce it with blocks if necessary.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Lord Roem (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Closure thank you[edit]

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- jc37 22:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Re your edit summary: When I was reviewing the close archives, I looked at the last signature of each section and mistook Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 4#Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Education Program extension as a close of Nathan Johnson (talk · contribs)'s because he was the one who noted the close was done. So part of the blame falls on you for being too exhausted after your extensive close rationale at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Education Program extension to note that you had done the close. ;) Now fixed. Cunard (talk) 02:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
rofl, wow, I had forgotten about that close.
No, I was referring to two recently that I typed "done" at AN. (And as I'm sure you could tell, I was just teasing above : ) - jc37 02:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I knew you were teasing. :)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 4#Template talk:Notability#RfC and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 4#Talk:Elizabeth Cotton, Lady Hope#RfC: proposed move were closed at 08:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC) and 08:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC), respectively, while I posted my thank you note at 02:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC), so you were too late for that note. So maybe you were expecting me to have predicted your two future closes? ;) Cunard (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

ROFL. A victim of time, once again, I see : )
Shame some heartless admin deleted this... - jc37 03:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
That looks like a good WP:DRV candidate to overrule that admin abuse. I wonder if that heartless admin's been relieved of his superpowers for deleting one of the most important categories on Wikipedia. Cunard (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Not as yet. But who knows? If Star Wars VII is a further sign of that admin's pattern of dislike for fiction-related topics and other such fancruft... - jc37 05:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars Episode VII (2nd nomination) is one of the more egregious abuses of the tool I've seen in recent memory. How is "It's Star Wars" not a sufficient reason to override all Wikipedia policies, including bothersome, inconvenient ones like WP:NOT#CRYSTAL? Cunard (talk) 05:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh don't worry, it seems someone managed to get the DRV underway. I'm sure that that will show that evil heartless admin to ignore head counts in closing. - jc37 05:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


The above discussion in mind, this edit was my laugh out loud moment today : ) - jc37 05:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

 ;) Cunard (talk) 05:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


Would you please reconsider the #Civility_case_clarification_request part 1-7 of your questions? More specifically, I'm concerned that it asks the candidates to pre-judge an existing editor in a very probing manner. More generally, it introduces a highly controversial situation on the project into an already tedious area of elections. I'm fairly certain you could achieve the same goal of discovering how candidates feel about vested contributors and civility with less specific questions, such as part 8 of that section. Also, I think the first question in #RfC_closes is inappropriate as spam within the context of asking a question. Specifically the phrase "If you are interested in helping the community assess the consensus at RfCs and other discussions, please consider watchlisting it." Thanks. MBisanz talk 05:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Less specific questions are unhelpful. The civility case clarification request questions have the candidates take a stand on an issue that has sparked much dissent in the community. Some have had the courage to answer the questions directly. Some have not. Of those who have answered and did not say "recuse", it is remarkable that unlike the current arbitrators not one of the new candidates has supported a ban on Malleus Fatuorum (talk · contribs). If these editors are truthful and are elected to the Arbitration Committee, I am confident that this disappointing incident will not be repeated this year.

One arbitrator who prejudged Malleus and said he was never a Wikipedian should have recused but did not. The same committee that handed down rulings at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement judged the clarification request. Because arbitrators can repeatedly judge another editor, your argument that this "pre-judg[ing]" of another editor is untoward falls apart.

All of the answers to my questions, including those to the RfC closes ones, will influence my decision to support or oppose the candidates. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


Ok, I attempted to respond to your questions.
But I wonder at how they apply to being an Arbitrator? The ones concerning administrator closes, in particular.
I also think that a bit more neutrality in the questions might have been nice. In my estimation there was more than a bit of cherry picking involved in several questions.
All that aside, some were rather thought provoking, and I thank you for that : ) - jc37 09:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Challenging questions, thanks, I'll answer them one by one. Just a suggestion for the future: It would be nicer and less of a wall of text if you just asked your questions without offering your arguments, or your view on a possible range of answers. The way they are formulated right now might give the impression that you have an axe to grind, and that I want to please you with my answers---a lose-lose situation. --Pgallert (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I might echo Pgallert's view on how to format the questions--having a subpage with your own thoughts might clean up the page a bit. I've taken a first stab at answering the questions you said you wanted to see the most, I'm going to try and work on the rest this weekend. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:08, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Jc37: The questions could have been more neutral, I agree.

The first RfC close question gauges whether candidates possess the skill of assessing the consensus in complex discussions. If a candidate's answer indicates that the candidate dislikes reading uninteresting, lengthy discussions, then that candidate would make for a poor arbitrator, someone who is tasked with reading reams of evidence and statements. The question is also an attempt to increase the pool of available RfC closers at the frequently backlogged WP:ANRFC.

The second RfC close question is to determine whether candidates believe that admins have special competence or exclusive power over content decisions. Candidates' beliefs will affect their treatment of admins and non-admins at arbitration.

The third question forces candidates to take a critical look at how there is no process for contesting RfC closes and determine whether this is a problem. Contested RfC closes may be brought to the Arbitration Committee in the future if there is no review process.

I'm glad you found my questions thought-provoking, as that was my intent.

Pgallert and David Fuchs: Thank you for comments about my questions. I understand how the the text of some made answering them more difficult. David Fuch's comment is a good suggestion that I will consider if I ask questions in the next arbitration election.

Thank you, Jc37, Pgallert, David Fuchs, and the rest of the candidates for your answers to my questions. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Your question on to arbcom candidates[edit]

You had included my name in the "Some editors considered leaving Wikipedia:" section (identified as a result of the comments made by some arbs). Just to clarify, the Malleus case was not the trigger for the note to be placed on my talk page, and I did not threaten to leave because of that (the only place I commented on my frustration regarding the case was at the clarification request, at least as far as I can remember.). My talk page note was placed on 12 July 2012, predating the arbcom case and is a result of over a couple of years of frustration, this case was just one example of the continuing malaise, but not a driver for my thoughts. Just wanted to clarify to you as you have asked a question based (in minor part) on this. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for my error. I mistakenly included you because I misread this comment at the clarification request. Thank you for correcting me. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Cunard. Just a note that I've answered most of your questions, but not all. Apologies for the slow-ness but the Thanksgiving holiday is a busy time here (lots of kids hanging around making it difficult to think!). If there is any particular unanswered question you'd like me to answer, let me know and I'll give it a shot. Otherwise, I'm done. --regentspark (comment) 16:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my questions, RegentsPark. You don't need to answer any more, as you answered the ones I found most important. I liked your answers to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2012/Candidates/RegentsPark/Questions#Civility case clarification request, particularly your answer to #5. I apologize for mistakenly including you in the list of users who considered leaving Wikipedia because of the clarification request. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, My76Strat, for informing me about the questionnaire. I must decline to answer it, however, owing to lack of time. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for posting those questions to the ArbCom candidates[edit]

As some feedback, I found the responses to the questions you posted to be very helpful in guiding my voting decisions. Thank you for posting them. Nick-D (talk) 03:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad my questions helped you determine who to support and who to oppose. Thank you for letting me know. Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thomas W. Knutson[edit]

I've just completed the AfD nomination for Thomas W. Knutson on behalf of an IP editor. As the editor who declined a CSD nomination on the article, I wanted to leave you a courtesy notice of the nomination. Monty845 17:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification, Monty. I did a cursory search for sources, which didn't turn up anything useful, so the article will likely be deleted if no else can find anything.

As I don't have the time to do an extensive search for sources and will likely be marginally active for the next month or two, I probably won't be voting at the AfD. Best, Cunard (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Regarding comments[edit]

Hi Cunard. I thought I'd drop you a message regarding your recent comments at my questions page. It didn't seem sensible to coment there, partially because threaded discussion is discouraged and partially because voting has now closed. I'd like to point out what a "nomination" for adminship means to me - it means that I have done a thorough review of the candidate, have discussed adminship with them and that I believe they stand a good chance of being elected. It doesn't mean I am their "friend" or even that I have interacted with them noticeably. Indeed, I've nominated 7 editors for adminship and only Ryan Vesey had I worked with significantly. The rest either came to me through the request a nomination page or I found whilst looking for potential candidates.

For QuiteUnusual, I did indeed find minor close paraphrasing issues, just as I always find sub-optimal factors in every candidate. I do not agree that I should have mentioned them, a nomination is not designed to give a full review of a candidate but instead an explanation of why I feel the candidate would make a good administrator. I know there are editors out there who review candidates based on the quality of their work and I believe their opinion on close paraphrasing is much more valuable than mine.

Regarding the "personal vendetta" comment, I have not formed a concrete opinion and would welcome your explanation as to why you took it upon yourself to act in such an excessive manner with regards to Σ. I didn't find any unpleasantness in the past between you, but I also did not find you acting in that manner to any other candidate. The opinion was my own, I have not discussed the matter with the co-nominators, nor any of the editors who !voted in the RfA. (I also forgot the "not" with respect to blocking you. A block would not have been appropriate - have updated)

Regarding my neutrality. I don't see that we're in a dispute, nor do I believe you are a disruptive editor in general. I do not have a problem with the CCI filing and I'm not sure how you can have "innocent" copyright violations, I'll look into changing that essay. I expect the reason that you were singled out was that filing the CCI had longer reaching consequences than Reaper Eternals.

Regarding Malleus Fatuorum's sanction, I will keep it in mind but I cannot guarantee anything. Attempting to change that remedy is likely to open up a can of worms which will take a long time to sort out and so I do not rate doing so as a high priority. I'd rather work on improving transparency within ArbCom, if that's even possible. WormTT(talk) 10:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

At Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2012/Candidates/Worm That Turned/Questions#Second round of questions from Cunard #3b, you wrote (my bolding and italics):

QuiteUnusual's RfA did fail due to plagiarism concerns, yet again I feel no regret for nominating him, and would do so again. I did find some minor close paraphrasing issues when I nominated him, but did not feel that they were sufficient to worry about. I discussed the matter with QU, and warned him that even the minor ones I found may well cause his RfA to fail. With hindsight, I would have been more thorough on the investigation and would have worked with him to address these concerns, but given QU's reaction to the issue (he fixed all violations before the end of the RfA and went through his entire contribution history looking for them) I still believe he will make an excellent admin.  WormTT(talk)

You found plagiarism that in your own words might "cause his RfA to fail". This is not a matter of not giving a "a full review of a candidate" in your RfA nomination. It is a matter of giving an honest, open review of the candidate in your RfA nomination. It is a matter of alerting voters to the candidate's flaws that "might cause his RfA to fail" so voters can determine for themselves whether to support or oppose.

One editor has written at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive240#Possible inappropriate action during an RfA, "...Worm who [is] usually dead on with nominations and come to trust [him] to the point that I see no need to evaluate the candidate anymore." This blind trust in you as an RfA nominator is frequently reflected in RfA votes. These editors might not be swayed to oppose by what's disclosed in the nomination statement but others might. Other editors are impressed with your nominations though also do their own assessments. For example at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/QuiteUnusual, an editor wrote, "Generally happy with answers to questions. The people nominating also have good reputations, and their trust in this candidate makes me feel more comfortable."

Failing to be open about a candidate's flaws that "may well cause his RfA to fail" is withholding relevant information from voters. In the QuiteUnusual RfA, you could have mentioned that you found minor close paraphrasing issues, that the candidate realized his error and corrected his mistakes, and that given the totality of his contributions, you remain confident that he will be an excellent administrator.

This openness would have allowed RfA voters to gauge the seriousness of the candidate's close paraphrasing issues and then make their own conclusions about whether to support or oppose.

I know there are editors out there who review candidates based on the quality of their work and I believe their opinion on close paraphrasing is much more valuable than mine. – you are correct that others like Moonriddengirl (talk · contribs) and Nikkimaria (talk · contribs) are more qualified to judge close paraphrasing. But you were experienced enough to recognize close paraphrasing. This is an invalid excuse to deflect criticism of your non-disclosure on the basis of your perceived lack of expertise. More experienced editors cannot offer their opinion of the close paraphrasing if they are not alerted to it.

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Σ
The candidate admitted to vandalizing another website because he disagreed with their views. No other candidate has received such a high amount of support despite such deplorable behavior. A red flag like coordinating vandalism invites scrutiny into a candidate's Wikipedia contributions. I will let other users' comments at the RfA demonstrate what I think of this behavior:

Comment 1:

1) it takes a special kind of person to waste time vandalizing a website like Conservapedia (or Liberapedia for that matter) : either someone who is immature, or someone who is a zealot. No one displaying either of these traits should ever be made administrator.

2) we don't need users, nevermind administrators, who are so entrenched in a belief system that they feel it is okay to attack ideological opponents, no matter how idiotic the target is. It brings disrepute to Wikipedia and its contributors, it is provocative and thereby makes us a target in return, and is just a net negative all around.

3) an administrator candidate who refuses to fully acknowledge past shortcomings and instead attempts to circumvent the underlying concerns by dismissing the target and by diminishing his own actions, cannot be taken seriously. Sigma's half-assed answer to Q15 basically says "it wasn't even vandalism because Conservapedia sucks" and is a splendid demonstration of why he should not be given the tools until he addresses the issue in a much more meaningful way.

Comment 2:

Someone who destroys the creative works of others because they don't agree with them has no place as an administrator on this project. Period. Ever.

Comment 3:

The nominator is not the protagonist of Bread and Wine, behaving like a priest during the day, and painting revolutionary slogans on the walls in Fascist Italy. He vandalized a marginal encyclopedia maintained by marginalized persons, who do not need self-proclained "Wikipedians" destroying their work. What he did was bullying, picking on persons who are ridiculed or viewed with contempt by the majority of the population, to impress the other boys on IRC.

Comment 4:

Which marginalised group would be next on his radar if he was "promoted" to admin? Unpopular editors?

Comment 5:

Wikipedia is not an island. Behaviour on other projects is relevant: (a) insofar as it shows problematic behaviour or attitudes that lead one to doubt (for instance) a candidate's maturity and (b) where it demonstrates a real potential to embarrass the project. Admins have a more prominent role than other editors and need to comport themselves accordingly.

Comment 6:

The "appalling" aspect of this whole process is how many people are willing to give the nominee a free pass just because the website he vandalized was "conservative". This is a completely lack of critical thinking, empathy and self awareness. What if it was a website you happened to like? Would you still be whining about "what happens off-wiki doesn't matter"? Or is this just "hey this guy shares my POV so support". The thing is that one can easily imagine a situation where tables are reversed and you'll get a, say pro-creation science nominee who vandalized scientific websites and if the right majority's in place then, THEN you'll be crying about vandalism. Bottom line is that there's a principle here. Forget about whether you like Conservatopedia or not (remember your Voltaire) and !vote on the principle. Which I do think very strongly suggests opposing.

Comment 7:

Personally I think the vandalism of Conservatopedia - especially COORDINATING such vandalisms (what's next, coordinating to get users blocked?) - is a big deal. But actually what really convinced me to vote Oppose (as opposed to just staying out of it) is the lame-ass excuses given by the nominee when asked about it. The whole "it's okay to vandalize Conservatopedia because it is bad (TM)" routine. Even if it is bad (which it probably is) who the fuck gave you the right to mess with other people's websites?!? It's not like it's an attack site, merely a website representing different point of view (one which I very strongly disagree with). That kind of sentiment displays a very high level of immaturity, bad judgement and just simply "not getting it". Honestly, I cannot even trust this person to be neutral in their editing, never mind in administrative work. If could vote Oppose five times, I would. And you don't get to trivialize my, or other opposers' opinion.

The users' names are not included because these are selective quotes. At Leaky caldron's talk page, I wrote:

When I first noticed the candidacy, I was inclined to support based on the reputation of Worm That Turned (talk · contribs) and Reaper Eternal (talk · contribs). One other nominator I have not encountered before, and another I have seen exercise poor judgment in the past. However, Chaser (talk · contribs)'s question about the Conservapedia vandalism and the comments alluding to it in the "oppose" section were concerning. There was no mention of it in the nomination statements, so I believed the candidate hadn't been rigorously vetted. When I reviewed the candidate's contributions, I found a number of concerning deficiencies, so wrote a detailed oppose since by then the candidate had over 100 supports with 90%+ support.


It is not the candidate's fault that he was propped up as a good administrator candidate when in fact he was not. It is the fault of his nominators who either failed to vet him properly or failed to disclose the concerning issues up front.

The evidence was primarily on-wiki material because I saw the immaturity on Conservapedia reflected in the candidate's interactions on Wikipedia.

I could have just written "Oppose per uncommunicativeness and immaturity concerns". I would have been badgered like the rest of the opposes for diffs and evidence. So I wrote a detailed oppose with the quotes, analysis, and diffs to support my position. I expected criticism from the candidate's friends for opposing, but I did not expect threats of an RfA topic ban from two administrators.

Malleus Fatuorum's topic ban
I'd rather work on improving transparency within ArbCom, if that's even possible. – revising Malleus' Fatuorum's RfA topic ban and improving transparency within the Arbitration Committee are not mutually exclusive. I understand your reluctance at approaching this matter, but the longer you wait, the more likely this remedy will become permanent. It will set a poor precedent that expressing honest criticism at RfA will be met by very restrictive topic bans that stifle discussion.

It is better to have the restrictive topic ban revised when emotions aren't running high because Malleus opposed someone's friend. It is also imperative that the fix come from within the committee. Regular editors will be very reluctant to file another clarification or amendment request, fearing that arbitrators will attempt to site-ban Malleus again. I'd prefer to have the topic ban completely removed, but your suggestion at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2012/Candidates/Worm That Turned/Questions#Civility case clarification request is a good start to improving the remedy: Malleus Fatuorum is indefinitely topic banned from Wikipedia talk:Requests for Adminship. Should his contributions to a specific request for adminship become disruptive, any uninvolved admin may ban him from further participation in that specific RFA. If you wish to fix this remedy, I recommend you do this by the first six–eight weeks of your term. Further delay likely will mean that the remedy will become permanent and an outspoken supporter of promoting only high quality admins will remain muzzled from expressing his honest thus deeply unpopular opinions. Cunard (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte.
I would have written less, but I did not have the time.

Blaize Pascal, Provincial Letters: Letter XVI
We will have to agree to differ regarding RfA, I recommend and expect everyone does their own full and thorough of the candidate. I put forward the points I feel are pertinant to a candidacy and I did not feel the close paraphrasing (which I reiterate was minor) was pertinant. RfA is a terribly fickle area, where one candidate can pass where another is unsuccessful despite the issues being the same. In a similar manner, I do not generally bring up past blocks, low edit counts or arguments I may have found unless I feel they are relevant. If I nominate a person, I've been thorough, I've weighed up everything I've found and felt that they would make a good administrator. Allow me though to clarify my comment "I know there are editors out there who review candidates based on the quality of their work and I believe their opinion on close paraphrasing is much more valuable than mine." - I know that those editors will focus on possible issues with quality of the work, especially with close paraphrasing and plagiarism issues. I know they turn up to every RfA and do a thorough review of the work. I felt that the issues I had found with QU were minor enough that they would not garner opposes from those editors. I was wrong about the level of close paraphrasing, but that's how RfA works.

Regarding Σ, I'm glad to hear that there was no sign of personal vendetta - instead it was verbosity similar to the comments above. However, to those of us who spend time in RfA it was highly unusual - I cannot remember any editor who has left quite such a detailed comment on an editor. You'll note that I did not suggest a topic ban and I would have opposed one if it had been mooted seriously (I have no doubt it would not have passed at AN). I do encourage you to be more succinct at RfA in the future though, linking to quotes rather than copying them and so on. I know this can be difficult, per Pascal, but I have found that brevity is valued on Wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet.

Finally, regarding Malleus Fatuorum, you are right that encouraging transparency should not stop me from working at that topic ban. However, should I be elected, I am not looking to go into the role with more baggage than I can handle, and I feel that the encouragement of transparency is a very big deal - one that will have much further reaching consequences. Despite disagreeing with the decision of the committee, I do not consider changing the outcome it a priority as it will involve much boat rocking for little improvement. My priorities may change, but that is how they currently stand. WormTT(talk) 10:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It is clear that we disagree on the several issues we have discussed here. But that is fine. Uniform thinking would make this a dull place. Congratulations on your election to the Arbitration Committee. Cunard (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, some of the editors I have the most respect for on Wikipedia are the ones I've disagreed with. I'm always up for a healthy debate, feel free to message me on my talk page or email if there's anything you ever want to discuss. Thanks for the congratulations, I'm still trying to process it! WormTT(talk) 09:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday cheer[edit]

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Thank you, Michael! Happy holidays to you as well. Cunard (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


Cunard, I've lost my taste a bit for closing RfCs for the while, but I want you to know that I appreciate your continued efforts to keep our administrative toes to the fire. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind note, Drmies. But the real work is done by closers such as yourself and the others here. I merely list discussions that are ready for closure.

I understand why closing RfCs has grown less appealing over time. There are usually many words to read and too much time and patience wasted when the closes are reverted. Thank you for closing numerous RfCs this year, but if closing RfCs takes up too much of your time and energy, I recommend directing your attention to article work or less strenuous admin tasks in the upcoming year (like you are doing now). Your skillful ability to read and summarize RfCs will be missed, but your sanity and delightful sense of humor are more important in the long run. Best, Cunard (talk) 00:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Cunard, your name sounds so stern yet your words, and your delightfully red-linked user name, are a balm to my soul. I've closed a few more, including some old ones. I'm looking at an important right now on notability--so please allow me to blow off a bit of steam. GRAMMAR! I'm guessing at what some people mean. Anyways, I'd appreciate it if you could look over my recent closes--I haven't signed my "done"s because I'm trying to overcome some WP issues (some of us grow identities: I'm far from having a red-linked user page), but more importantly, I vaguely remember someone redoing my paperwork (I use 'archive top' and 'archive bottom') cause I did it wrong, and none of the ones I closed had one of those RfC templates on them. Thanks again, as always, Drmies (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to see that none of your closes at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 6 have been reverted. Here are two edits I made so the discussion and close for Talk:Caste are easier to find. I've taken a look at the other closes and they are all fine.

Thank you so much for closing difficult discussions that other users have avoided!

Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#RfC on Creative professionals looks like a difficult discussion to close. Good luck on closing that one if that's the one you've been looking at.

Red-linked user pages are my favorite. I recommend shedding the tit, boobies, and ass and getting one for yourself. ;) Cunard (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy too. Birds and donkeys, Cunard, that's all it is. The tufted tit-mouse is one of my favorite birds, by the way; I used to see them all the time from my kitchen window in Tuscaloose. No, the tern is my favorite, hovering over the water of the canal I grew up on. Listen, maybe you feel like closing something? There's consensus on ANI on two threads: "GarnetAndBlack, incivility etc." and "Repeated editing of articles". Wanna try your hand at it? Happy days, Drmies (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Any discussion with "incivility" in its title is something I'm inclined to avoid. I begin my day with ◔◡◔. Then, I ◔o◔ when I happen upon such discussions. But I've listed Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive781#GarnetAndBlack: Incivility, gaming the system, ownership, bad faith bias in edits, retaliatory editing at WP:ANRFC for someone more patient than I to read, analyze, and close. What's my excuse for not closing it? I'm not a powerful, well-paid admin like you. I'm a worthless red-linked user and thus a probable vandal/troll/sockpuppet. Cunard (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Hey Cunard, fat cat high-paid admin here again. I have a question for you. I ran into Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Christianity922/Survivor: Samoa 2-Heroes vs. Villains Test and was wondering if you still have some zeal left to help clean up user space. This user has a ton of those pages. Do you mind having a look to see if those (all, or some) also qualify for deletion, and whether you think some mass nomination would be a good idea? I don't have much experience with that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:12, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Incidentally, they recreated that page again. This indicates a waste of server space to me. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern[edit]

Long time no see. Have you considered nominating To Whom It May Concern: Ka Shen's Journey for GA? I think it has a fighting chance of passing as is. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Crisco, it's great to hear from you again. I hadn't thought of nominating To Whom It May Concern: Ka Shen's Journey for GA. Although I agree with you that it might be a good candidate, I will be marginally active for the next few months. So I will hold off on considering a GA nomination until I have the time to read the article again and address any concerns raised by the GA reviewer. Cunard (talk) 04:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You have been mentioned at ANI[edit]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 00:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination)[edit]

I'm not ignoring your question/request. Which is not to say I know what I want to do about it either. WilyD 09:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi! I found four independent reliable source references about Zonnon so I re-established the article WhisperToMe (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Insight Meditation Society[edit]

Dear Cunard,

In your September 29, 2009 edit of the Insight Meditation Society, you added the text "formerly 'Insight Meditation Center'" and cited a publication by Jack Maguire. I have worked at IMS for a little over 7 years now and have a good relationship with its founders. I also have seen some of the original documents of the incorporation. In speaking with them and reviewing the founding documents I have evidence to dispute your edit. I wanted to let you know that the organization was never the Insight Meditation Center. Would you like to find another way to use the cited work in the article while removing the inaccuracy?

Best, Charlie Stevenson IT Manager Insight Meditation Society

Corezion (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Charlie. I have replied at Talk:Insight Meditation Society#Disputed former name removed. Cunard (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Requests for closure[edit]

Hi Cunard, just a note about posting requests for closure. Closing discussions is a thankless task that can be very time-consuming, much more than it looks. For those reasons we have a shortage of people willing to do it regularly. It therefore makes sense only to post requests where the discussion needs uninvolved closure, and where it's an ongoing issue. The Natalie Tran request, for example, was about a self-published source in a BLP (which is not allowed, per WP:BLPSPS), it had been removed around six weeks ago, there was no consensus to restore it, and the bot had removed the tag, so the initiator of the discussion closed it as no consensus. In a case like that, there's no need to ask anyone else to intervene (that I can see anyway).

It's usually best to let the people involved decide whether they need to ask someone else to close it. Otherwise the board is filled up with requests that don't need closure, and the ones that do may get overlooked. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi SlimVirgin. Thank you for your frequent thoughtful closes at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure.

I list discussions at ANRFC because I believe a close would improve the encyclopedia by for example deciding an important content or policy issue or by ending or preventing edit wars.

The RfC initiator found an issue important enough to open an RfC, but may be unaware that they can ask for a close at ANRFC or may have forgotten to list the discussion there. I list at ANRFC RfCs that would benefit from a close.

For example, at this close request about Mariah Carey's birth year, I listed several reasons for my posting that request. One reason was:

It is best to formally close this discussion to establish a consensus version has been reached to prevent future edit wars that may occur. A formally closed discussion allows editors to point to the concise close rather than the lengthy discussion to show future editors what the consensus is. A formal close from an uninvolved editor cannot be dismissed as easily as an unclosed, lengthy discussion.

The recent page history of Mariah Carey shows that several editors repeatedly reversed the consensus version implemented by Moxy (example), who was involved in the discussion. The close by Armbrust (talk · contribs) now allows editors who are enforcing the consensus to point to the closing statement by an uninvolved editor if they are accused of edit warring.

The Natalie Tran request—Chris troutman wrote at ANRFC (my bolding):

I apologize if I've violated common practices about RfCs. Legobot closed the discussion after 30 days although editor responses dropped off much earlier. I then marked it closed with no consensus since I felt that extending the RfC would not likely result in achieving clear consensus and I couldn't fairly assess in my own favor. I still desire to have a real resolution to the problem (can we or can we not use Vidstatsx statistics) but not enough editors seem to want to help provide an answer. As I mentioned on Talk:Natalie Tran, this question had been initially raised at WP:RSN in July 2012 to no avail. Certainly any administrator could overrule me, re-open the discussion, etc. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I listed the discussion for closure because of the BLP considerations. VidStatsX is used in several BLPs and article drafts. A close saying that the source should not be used in BLPs per BLPSPS would inform the discussion's participants to avoid using the source in BLPs. The source was also discussed in July 2012 at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 128#Vidstatsx, which the RfC initiator wrote "received little input". That RSN thread was caused by the lengthy discussion about the source at Talk:Dave Days#Top 50 subscribed. Discussion about the appropriateness of using VidStatsX will likely come up again in the future, so a close explaining why using it violates WP:BLPSPS would be helpful in guiding the direction of those discussions.

I've reviewed the Natalie Tran RfC myself so I could experience the process that closers such as yourself go through. Here is my draft closing statement:

The consensus is that VidStatsX should not be used in this biography of a living person because it is a self-published source. Although the data published by VidStatsX was used by reliable sources such as Forbes (link) and The Washington Post (link), its usage on Wikipedia would violate the policy WP:BLPSPS, which says, "Never use self-published sources ... as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject".

117Avenue (talk · contribs)'s removal of the content sourced to VidStatsX on the basis of WP:BLPREMOVE is upheld.

I also took into consideration the discussion at Talk:Dave Days#Top 50 subscribed and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 128#Vidstatsx about the source. says: "The owner of this site disclaims any and all liability that may result from your use of the site. Again, this site, the data, access to it, etc. etc. are provided without guarantee or warranty of accuracy or fitness for any purpose... use it at your risk!" This is further evidence that VidStatsX does not pass the policies Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.

Cunard (talk) 08:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I will not close the discussion, however, because it would require reverting ‎Chris troutman (talk · contribs)'s close, a controversial action which I will not unilaterally do. I will instead add it as a post-close comment, so that an administrator or more experienced closer can take it into consideration when s/he recloses the RfC.

It is time-consuming to read the discussion and write a precise closing statement, so I am very grateful to closers such as yourself who take the time to do so on a regular basis.

I agree that discussions should not be indiscriminately listed at ANRFC. I carefully consider each close request I list at the board.

Thank you for raising your concerns with me, and feel free to let me know if you have any concerns in the future about my close requests. Cunard (talk) 08:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cunard, you could always close discussions yourself when you find them. Most discussions don't need admin closure. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi SlimVirgin. I prefer to list discussions that would benefit from closure rather than close them myself. RfC closes frequently need clarification, and I would not be able to provide timely responses to them. Prolific closer I JethroBT (talk · contribs) wrote:

I actually take out a pen and paper and write down notes and do at least two reads of an RfC (unless it's a case of WP:SNOW). On the first pass, I write out summaries of people's arguments, and the second pass, I check them in relation to other arguments and also note policies that are relevant or have been explicitly discussed. I actually find the whole process kind of fun, in part because I like the challenge of having to help resolve legitimate, good-faith conflicts where matters might seem unresolvable. To be fair, sometimes situations cannot be resolved (which is why I'm sure glad no consensus is a valid close). But it does require a bit of time for reading, writing, and thinking. Some have said that closing RfCs is a thankless task, but I actually get thanked much more often than I expected for making closes, even the easy ones. But I get it with the "issues I care about are hard to summarize" in a balanced way. I tend to know when that's the case for me and I either avoid or participate in those discussions instead. Anyway, thanks for dropping a note my way, I really appreciate it. I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I am unable to spend the time I JethroBT does to write succinct, thoughtful assessments of consensus. A patient, compassionate, and careful, closer, I JethroBt frequently receives requests for clarifications or reviews of his closures.

See the request for clarification at Roundup closure for his close of Talk:Roundup (herbicide)#RfC: Un-merge from Glyphosate?, the request for reconsideration of his close at Closing Hurricane Sandy debate for his close of Talk:Hurricane Sandy#"Superstorm Sandy" in first sentence as alternate title? (which he later reversed to allow more users to weigh in), and a request for clarification at Rand edit request comment for a followup comment he made after his close of Talk:Ayn Rand#Request for comment: Qualifying "philosopher" in the lead sentence. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Little Red Wagon[edit]

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Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

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The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your diligent and valuable work at WP:ANRFC KeithbobTalk 19:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I second this barnstar and I'm sad that we haven't appreciated your work more prior to recent discussions. Whatever you decide to do, let me know, I'm very happy to help out with your projects. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 00:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Keithbob (talk · contribs) and ТимофейЛееСуда (talk · contribs), for your supportive comments here and at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Number of discussions being added.

I am grateful for the work you both do in closing discussions. Your contributions to the ANRFC noticeboard are far more invaluable than mine. I will continue to list discussions at WP:ANRFC as long as I receive the support of the community of ANRFC closers. Cunard (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks folks You are welcome for the barnstar and [thanks for the] heartfelt comments. It's my humble opinion that all of us on WP are chronically under-appreciated. I try to remember to acknowledge other people's good work often to help reverse that trend and I'm happy to see others are doing this also. I look forward to working together in the new year! Face-wink.svg -- KeithbobTalk 18:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)-- KeithbobTalk 00:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I completely agree with you about people being chronically under-appreciated and appreciate your effort to counteract that. I look forward to working with you in 2014 as well! :) Cunard (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I third your idea about some people being under appreciated, especially those of us, who are basically paper-pushers. I like to think people like us handle the behind the scenes junk that needs to be handled so that those more qualified than I have the ability to create content. I've quickly learned that whenever you try to do clean-up work, you often find yourself in the middle of conflict as most content creators do not understand what all happens behind the scenes. You guys are truly the backbone, as without your work and maintenance, Wikipedia would surely fall apart. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 21:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't consider you to be just a paper-pusher. Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center is a well-written, well-referenced piece of content. But maybe you consider yourself a paper-pusher because you mainly do cleanup-work now? I feel the same way. :( I enjoy creating content when I have the time (which I haven't had too much lately) and doing behind-the-scenes stuff (which is my only contribution to the encyclopedia when I am too busy to create content). Cunard (talk) 21:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Request to lodge request for closure. WP:PORNBIO[edit]

Hi Cunard,

Would you be kind enough to list a neutralized request for closure at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure regarding an edit to WP:PORNBIO based on a disputed reading of consensus on its talk page. I don't feel confident in being able to present this without bias.

<biased view> All of Morbidthoughts (talk · contribs), Rebecca1990 (talk · contribs), Cavarrone (talk · contribs), & Erpert (talk · contribs) hacve recently reverted due to no consensus, in the face of undeniable case that the guideline needs fixing, and a pretty clear rough consensus on one important edit (mere nominations are not sufficient for a standalone article). Would an uninvolved administrator please consider reading the consensus with respect to WP:PORNBIO? See Wikipedia:Notability (people) (edit | [[Talk:Wikipedia:Notability (people)|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

--SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Added to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. In the spirit of the above section, I'd like to thank you for your insightful contributions at MfD. I may not always agree with your opinions there, but they are always well thought out. I completely agree with Drmies (talk · contribs)' comment at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jnestorius/List of Bands whose names form complete sentences about your "eloquent rant" being not too long to read. Cunard (talk) 01:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
You and I had some challenging debates. I enjoyed them. You forced me to re-evaluate some opinions, and some assumptions, and I remember generally changing my mind to adopt something very close to your view. SPA promoters deserve far less consideration than I was giving them, for example. I decided that you are slightly smarter and slightly more pedantic, and we haven't argued since.
I've been thinking that my most useful contribution at MfD is to keep the place a little more disciplined and predictable, mostly so that many more generally productive editors need not visit it so often. Do I kid myself when I think that the absence of people agreeing with me means that they are trusting me to hold the fort?
Thanks for doing the listing, which I think you did extremely well. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
For the record, although I am a fan of pornography, I am not biased (if this doesn't prove that, I don't know what to tell you). Erpert WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 06:21, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
SmokeyJoe, thank you for the kind words and the challenging debates we had. You too forced me to re-evaluate some of my positions. When I occasionally participate at MfD, I'm now inclined to give more leeway to non-SPA editors whose drafts are stale but perhaps useful in improving the encyclopedia. Cunard (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Template talk:Convert/Archive December 2013#Request to switch to Module:Convert[edit]

I would appreciate it if you would not put words into my mouth that I did not speak (or write). I did not determine that there was consensus to upgrade to Module:Convert. The only part I played was to answer the edit request.

I am content if you will strike the sentence Trappist the monk determined there was a consensus to "Upgrade to Lua module" from your closure comments. An appropriate edit summary is probably in order.

Thank you.

Trappist the monk (talk) 02:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. I am sorry for my mistake. Cunard (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Request for Closure on Minphie / Drug Free Australia[edit]

I am considering un-listing this; the user has filed an unblock request, multiple admins responded and it was denied. I am not sure that editing the archive to "resolve with a finding" after this much time is helpful. However, I didn't want to just unlist your request.
What is your current opinion on the subject? Do you believe there are still un-resolved issues or points that need addressing?
Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the reminder. I listed this because of StAnselm's request. I've withdrawn the request for closure since this seems to be resolved. Cunard (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


Hey Cunard. I know we haven't crossed paths too much, but I have a question for you. In my recent successful RfA, I promised to be opened to recall with specific terms similar to User:TParis/Recall. Before I make any edits that require the mop, I wanted to cement my own recall process, including a list of editors who can specifically call for the recall of my administrative rights. Due to my high level of respect for you and your opinion, I wanted to know if I could include you on said list. Thanks, -- TLSuda (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi TLSuda (talk · contribs). I am honored that you would like to include me in your recall process. Feel free to include me on the list. I am frequently inactive for several weeks at a time, though, so if that is a problem, feel free not to include me on the list.

On an unrelated note: When you close WP:NFCR discussions, the discussions are frequently archived very quickly, making your links to them in edit summaries or deletion logs dead links. Would you consider using Help:Permanent link or Help talk:Diff#Diff wikilinks in those edit summaries so the links are permanent? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 03:42, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help[edit]

Thanks for your help providing facts and context in the review of the deletion of the DigitalOcean article. Niels Olson (talk) 19:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thank you for your work on the article! Cunard (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Weird pageview stats[edit]

I was going through pageview stats and noticed that your userpage is showing 52772 hits in one hour. Is that an error or is there some bot hitting it a lot in error? Gigs (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gigs. Thank you for letting me know about my user page's anomalously high pageview stats. User:Cunard is currently listed as #19 on (archiveurl). (archiveurl) shows that the page received 606,084 hits on 2 June 2014. I do not know why my user page is getting so many pageviews. Is it an error in the tool, or is my user page really getting accessed 52,772 times an hour? In comparison, User talk:Cunard had six views on 2 April 2014 according to (archiveurl). Henrik (talk · contribs), do you know why this is happening? Cunard (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

May be some kind of view stat causing an anomoly? Matty.007 16:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea, I hoped you (Cunard) would know. We'd probably have to track down a server admin to be sure. If they are real hits there might be some clues in the user agent string or referer. Gigs (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
A thought, I know you are redlinked on purpose, but you might try creating the page temporarily as an experiment to see if the hits go down. Gigs (talk) 19:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I'd rather not create my user page. That would add an entry to the page's deletion log once it is deleted. The deletion log entry would be visible whenever anyone clicked on my user page, rather than its current clean look.

User:The Philip72 (which is not a registered account) is #39 on (archiveurl) and received 1,706,521 visits in March 2014 according to (archiveurl). The number of page hits dropped to zero hits after nine days without any intervention.

User:Cunard is still receiving a large number of hits according to (archiveurl), but I hope the same drop to a more reasonable number of page hits will happen with my user page. I've asked Henrik about this issue, but if there's anyone else who could be asked, I'd be grateful. Cunard (talk) 05:20, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Oliver Keyes got back to me. He went through the logs and identified the hits as a botnet, mostly eastern European Windows XP machines that have been compromised. My theory is that the bots are set up to use Wikipedia user pages as a control channel. They weren't very smart to pick your page though, since it's protected. Maybe User:Cunard is the default example in some common bot config and the user is supposed to change it, the bot author might have picked that as a default example because it's protected and blank, so that people would understand they need to change it. So little did you know, you probably have one of the world's larger botnets under your control. Gigs (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for asking Ironholds (talk · contribs) about the large number of hits, Gigs! There is further information from Ironholds at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#Wikipedia Article Traffic Stats: Problems, weird counting, and questions (permanent link). Ironholds wrote:

I have been investigating a similar problem reported by User:Gigs and User:PiRSquared17; having gone through the request logs of a page they highlighted, I'm pretty sure it's a bot attack wide disparity in IPs, circular referer chains and a single point of commonality in user agents - that most of them are on Windows XP. We're talking through ways of detecting this in the future.

I wonder why the bot author chose User:Cunard as the default example in the common bot config rather than some other protected and blank user's page. Ironholds, what do you think about Gigs' theory? This seems to be a bot attack on the scale of hundreds of thousands of compromised computers. User:Cunard is still receiving hundreds of thousands of page views per day according to (archiveurl). Because bots are automated, it seems unlikely that a protected and blank user page would be needed to inform people that they should change the bot's default configuration. Cunard (talk) 05:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm just as confused, frankly :/. The weird thing is it's potentially a bug - the requests are looping. It asks for User:Cunard, and from there asks for User:Cunard, and from there.... Ironholds (talk) 04:38, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your input, Ironholds! According to (archiveurl), there haven't been a large number of page views since 19 June 2014. Whether this was a bug or a bot attack, it looks like it's now resolved. Cunard (talk) 03:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm afraid it's not resolved 28,784 hits in the first hour of today. @Ironholds: @Gigs:. All the best: Rich Farmbrough02:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC).
Yes, it's still going strong. 9,289,460 hits in June 2014 according to (archiveurl). 1,779,306 hits in the first four days of July 2014 according to (archiveurl). Cunard (talk) 05:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

1.75 million pageviews in the last 90 days. [2] You should post a 100 megabyte image on your userpage. Wikipedia servers could handle the load, but the botnet would nuke itself, lolz. Alsee (talk) 20:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Alsee, it's surprising that the page is still getting this many hits after five months (archiveurl of Alsee's link). Ironholds (talk · contribs), do you have any updated information about this? Is this a bug with looping requests, or is this a botnet? Cunard (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Definitely a bot(net)? - I can't imagine how it'd occur as a bug. Ironholds (talk) 02:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


Hi, look at my contributions, I want to request the removal of items inutilies but I do not know how. Can you help me?--Panam2014 (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Panam2014. You have received help from User:Fitzcarmalan regarding your question. Please let me know if you have any further unresolved questions. Cunard (talk) 05:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi Cunard, I really appreciate your effort to keep the article Jacob Barnett providing all possible facts and reasons. Thank you. Cheers! Ashish Lohorung (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Ashish! I am glad that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacob Barnett (2nd nomination) was closed as keep based on his having received substantial coverage in reliable sources. Viewfinder (talk · contribs) also did an excellent job arguing for retention. Cunard (talk) 05:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the credit, but I have not really contributed much of any substance beyond what you contributed. I got involved because I am affected by autism and I was under the impression that attempts were being made to dismiss the case with expletives like FFS. Now that I can be satisfied that the issue is not being decided on a show of hands, I will probably revert to retirement. I note that the "60 minutes" segment had been added to the article but tagged. I will leave it you to handle the tag in whatever manner you consider appropriate. Cheers. Viewfinder (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I will abstain from editing Jacob Barnett because the article has become a controversial subject. Some editors believe most of the reliable sources about Barnett are unreliable, indicating that anything added to the article probably will be reverted for coming from an unreliable source. That is not the editing environment I like. Cunard (talk) 20:10, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I know you're not an admin, but the work you do keeping a list of what needs to be closed really helps admins, so I award you the admin barnstar nonetheless. Thanks for your terrific work in that endeavor! Go Phightins! 02:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Go Phightins! (talk · contribs), for your kind words!

The credit to making sure WP:ANRFC runs smoothly belongs largely to Armbrust (talk · contribs) who tirelessly clerks the board and closers like you who take the time to carefully assess the consensus in the discussions. Cunard (talk) 05:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Viewfinder (talk · contribs)'s behaviour[edit]

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Viewfinder (talk · contribs)'s behaviour[edit]

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Yahoo! Kids Reverts[edit]

I removed the references that were no longer working, and since I can't find a no source that is working, I put in citation needed. I think that references need to be working in order for them to be included in the article. The ones I removed are no longer working, when I click the page it says "Not found". Saturn 28 (talk) 13:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Never mind. It was showing "Not found" because the internet was slow that day (that sometimes happens; some pages just won't load if they require Adobe even though I have Adobe). Sorry. Saturn 28 (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries, Saturn 28 (talk · contribs). Thank you for explaining this revert. I use WebCite to archive the sources I use to prevent link rot. According to Talk:WebCite#Service outages (permanent link), WebCite has occasional service outages. That may have happened when you checked the sources. Since the outages are infrequent and no material is lost, I've continued to use the service. See Wikipedia:Using WebCite for more information about using WebCite on Wikipedia. Cunard (talk) 02:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Saturn 28 (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Steve Hindi[edit]

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Listing RfCs on the closure noticeboard[edit]

I noticed that you listed a large number of RfCs on the closure board, including RfCs for which formal closure was not necessary or for which the dispute had ended. The page already has a serious backlog. What are the criteria that you use to decide whether to request closure for an RfC? Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I request closure for RfCs and other discussions to record the consensus through succinct summaries from uninvolved editors.

Close requests are usually fulfilled within a week while more are added every week. Easy discussions are closed quickly because they take little time and reading to close. The difficult, more contentious discussions usually linger much longer than a week.

A two-month closure request analysis of the number of discussions before and after my closure request posts:

My review indicates that most discussions are closed within two weeks of closure requests being posted. Controversial discussions are the discussions that remain after two weeks.

ANRFC appears to be frequently backlogged, but that's because ANRFC has a high churn rate. Closure requests are always being posted and handled. This is mainly an indication that ANRFC is an active, healthy noticeboard where closers do excellent work.

I think this post was prompted by this 21 September 2014 closure request about Talk:Oathkeeper/Archive 1#RfC: Is a suitable source for this content?. I have closed the discussion. I hope my comments there are helpful. Thank you for advertising this RfC in numerous relevant locations and providing detailed evidence that Elio García and Linda Antonsson of are established experts on the topic. Your work made the RfC easier to close. I wish you the best of luck in the next phase of the discussion in answering the question about whether the proposed edit improves the article.

By the way, thank you for your recent detailed closes at ANRFC!

Cunard (talk) 10:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The extra mile on Oathkeeper[edit]

While I personally believe that the RfC also showed a consensus that the material merits inclusion, thanks for putting in all that work writing such an involved closing rationale. I feel that it really respects everyone involved. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Darkfrog24. Thank you for your kind words. I hope a detailed closing rationale will establish definitively that is reliable per WP:SPS so that that issue does not stand in the way of other questions.

I agree that I could have found a rough consensus that the material merited inclusion since this is a matter of editorial judgment and a numerical majority of the RfC participants believed that the material merited inclusion. But I felt uncomfortable doing so since the RfC was framed to discuss (and was mostly about) the source's reliability. Rather than impose a solution from an RfC discussing a narrower question, I thought a fresh RfC discussing only whether the disputed addition improves the article would be more accepted by participants. Cunard (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for the barnstar and kind words, BlueSalix! Cunard (talk) 00:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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New template for WP:ANRFC[edit]

Just to let you know, I've created {{Initiated}} which is documented. What it basically does is colorize the text so that if an RfC has been open less than 30 days, it will be blue; if it is more than 60 days it will be red (and add ANRFC to Admin backlog cat); and if it is in between 30-60 days it will be green. I think this will make it easier for us closers to pick out the red ones that have been waiting longer for a close and pay much less attention to the blue ones that may need a little longer per BOBSLED. I've applied the template to all the existing discussions where you had marked them as (initiated ## Month 2014) and added a few more initiated dates. I'd love some feedback on whether or not you think the template needs any additional modifications. Thanks! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 19:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Technical 13. I think {{Initiated}} is an excellent improvement to WP:ANRFC. I cannot think of any modifications to it. Thank you also for your superb work with improving WP:ANRFC archiving through using User:ClueBot III and User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver. Cunard (talk) 23:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Electronic cigarette editor poll[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you have asked that the editor poll on electronic cigarette be closed. As the person who started the poll, I have to ask, why? The poll by its parameters cant be used to decide anything. link to poll and we did not get a very good response to it, though I wish more would have. The whole purpose was to give other editors an idea of the point of view of the other editors, not to come to any conclusions. AlbinoFerret 23:16, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi AlbinoFerret. The listing is my mistake. I agree with your and Bellerophon's comments at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 16#Talk:Electronic cigarette/Archive 14#Editor Poll to archive the closure request without action. Cunard (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Collier[edit]

Hi Stifle. I think the sources provided by Yankees10 (talk · contribs) and the analysis by Rlendog (talk · contribs) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Collier clearly demonstrate that Zach Collier passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. At the time of redirection, the article contained several paragraphs of encyclopedic information about the subject that was sourced to multiple reliable sources. Would you consider revising your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Collier from "redirect to List of Philadelphia Phillies first-round draft picks" to "no consensus"? Thank you for your consideration. Cunard (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

  • No. But redirection is a normal user action which can be undone by any editor who feels it is appropriate, in line with WP:BB. Stifle (talk) 09:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the clarification, I have restored the article. Cunard (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Frederic D. Price for deletion[edit]

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Orphaned non-free image File:PurpleSongs logo.png[edit]


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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 00:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Would an admin delete File:PurpleSongs logo.png with a note in the deletion log that an updated logo, File:Purple Songs Can Fly Logo 2014.jpg, has been added to the article? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 04:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. JohnCD (talk) 09:29, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Frederic D. Price[edit]

Hi, I have userfied this article at User:Cunard/Frederic D. Price. --Randykitty (talk) 18:40, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Randykitty. Cunard (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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Ryan Martin (boxer)[edit]

Hello Cunard!! any luck heaping me start the WP:DRV discussion for Martin subject would be greatly appreciated. I want to make sure it's done correctly, as I don't have much experience in this area. New Year greetings!!! All the best, C.dunkin (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi C.dunkin. Happy New Year to you too! I have taken Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Martin (boxer) to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 January 6#Ryan Martin (boxer).

The best approach to getting the close overturned is to have a singular focus on how the sources I listed were not discussed by the AfD participants. There was no consensus that the subject failed or passed Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline because only three editors discussed the sources.

If an editor says something like "entirely localized or specialised routine coverage", the best response is: "I disagree with this comment. But we cannot discuss that here because the sources were not discussed at the AfD and Wikipedia:Deletion review#Commenting in a deletion review says:

Remember that Deletion Review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate.

This is following the closing admin's sound advice that "just repeating the AfD will not get you anywhere at DRV".

Otherwise, the DRV result will be "keep deleted"; "Both sides were just doing AfD Round 2 and talking past each other" as the DRV closer at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 December 2#Killing of Yehoshua Weisbrod wrote.

Cunard (talk) 00:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank You much!! C.dunkin (talk) 01:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Cunard, Good-Morning, I'm wondering if there was a template I could follow that would allow me to format the sources the way you did on the articles 2n'd nomination page. I've attempted a few different times, but have been unsuccessful. C.dunkin (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi C.dunkin. You can format the sources by using a Template:Cite news or Template:Cite web template. In articles, I use <ref> and </ref> tags so the references appear at the bottom of the article in the {{reflist}} section.

In deletion discussions, I omit the <ref> and </ref> tags. Here is an example:

{{cite news |last=Butcher |first=Lucy |date=2014-02-13 |title=Frigo and Ryan Martin make perfect pair |url= |newspaper=[[SportsPro]] |accessdate=2015-01-13 |archiveurl= |archivedate=2015-01-13 }}

Cunard (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cunard after a long debate. Finally it looks like result was keep. Do you know what the protocol is to have the Notability tag removed? Also, thank you for your participation. I've learned allot here at wikipedia. Im looking forward to my next article... C.dunkin (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it is excellent that the closing admin read through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Martin (boxer) (2nd nomination) and determined that editors supporting retention proved the subject was notable. That means that it is correct to remove the notability tag, which you've done. Good luck on your next article! I hope it will go better than this rocky introduction to Wikipedia. Cunard (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed. Cunard (talk) 00:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Leelah's Law[edit]

Shouldn't Leelah's Law redirect to Death of Leelah Alcorn instead of to Talk:Death of Leelah Alcorn? —BarrelProof (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for catching my mistake. I have fixed the redirect. Cunard (talk) 21:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Closure review archive[edit]

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Computer Economics[edit]

May I ask for your help in reviewing and revising the article about Computer Economics? I am a COI editor and should not edit the page directly, but I have left some suggestions on the article's talk page. Fscavo (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fscavo. I can help revise Computer Economics within the next few weeks but am unable to do it at the moment. Cunard (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thank you! Fscavo (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Griffin -- request[edit]

Is the {{Do not archive until}} template needed or helpful at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard#Requesting_review_of_close_of_RfC_at_Griffin_article? The OP (Jytdog) says s/he is walking away from the article. And I see no consensus developing to reverse the closure. Also we have more POV warriors coming in with edits while the review is pending and draft article suggestions are on the talk page. (I've asked for in indefinite PP for the article.) If the AN thread archives by itself I think editors can focus on the article talk page rather than wondering what will transpire on the AN. If you would agree, please remove the template so that the thread can archive in the normal 48 hour cycle. (This assumes no comments pop up.) Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 07:04, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Srich32977. I'd prefer that an uninvolved admin review and close the discussion, which is why I added the {{Do not archive until}} template to prevent the thread from being prematurely archived. A close would either endorse or overturn the close, so there is no confusion about what the consensus in the discussion was.

Also, the comment by a discussion participant, Arthur Rubin (talk · contribs) here indicates that a close would be helpful in providing clarity to the situation: "Discussion on the article talk page cannot go anywhere unless it is determined exactly what is required by the close." A close of the closure review would resolve what the community consensus is about "what is required about the close". Cunard (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Exactly.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC
Thanks to you both. I understand. I'd just prefer that nature (i.e., the 48-hour archive bot) run its course. The result would be the same as "no consensus to change" the closure. We'd then have one less drama board to watch. – S. Rich (talk) 03:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I think we agree there's no consensus to change the closure; there's also no consensus as to the meaning of the closure; that is, exactly where the conspiracies are to be removed. The closer has said it applies to the lead (although his arguments are inconsistent, as they would also apply to the body), and the RfC talked about the first sentence. Perhaps Jytdog (and I) didn't make it clear what we were asking about. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
It is an open thread. I intend to get an answer or get a green light from that board to take it elsewhere (which I ~think~ would be arbcom but I need to read up on this). Jytdog (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
FYI Arbcom won't get involved. The question is a content matter and outside their purview. I think the best course of action is continued discussion on the talk page. – S. Rich (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

AfC closure review[edit]

Be very, very careful with your semantics. Do not interperet things in your own words that have not been said. It will only backfire on you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The RfC: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script.

The closure review: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive269#Closure review: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script (permanent link). I believe I have accurately represented the timeline. If you disagree, feel free to point out my errors at the closure review. Cunard (talk) 00:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) OP sounds like a threat - or maybe a promise! Leaky Caldron 17:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

It's nice to see you around, Leaky Caldron! :) Kudpung ought to know that threats don't intimidate me, so it's probably a promise. Will that promise be kept? Cunard (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Kudpung loves passive aggression, it would seem. Although, in my case, his aggression was less than passive, but still misguided IMO. --ceradon (talkcontribs) 00:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
He needs to throw his Admin. weight around a bit less, stop describing editors as "riff raff" and generally stop acting like a latter day Wackford Squeers. Leaky Caldron 15:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)