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Hi Curly, I noticed you've been doing copy-edits to a lot of Ryukyu/Okinawa articles, so I'm wondering if you'd like to help me with a rewriting. Please read Talk:Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom#Hall of Shame for the full issue. Basically, an article grew out of its scope and only after a revert/move war was another article of the proper scope found to already exist. So our goals would be to recreate the Pechin article with a more narrow scope, merge Yukatchu into Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom, and create a Military of the Ryukyu Kingdom article. Would you feel up to helping me with this? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 04:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

  • I can help with technical things such as copyediting and organizing, but I don't know anything about the topic (or much about Ryukyu), so content-wise I'd be pretty limited. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
    • If you need access to sources, I've got Wiki-access to JSTOR, Project MUSE, EBSCO, and a bunch of others (waiting on reactivation of my Questia account). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Sturmgewehr88: Holy fuck—just read through the conversation. Whatever issues there are to clear up, dai-ichi would be be this Nanshu character and his bizarre ideas about language (Randy in Boise never understands that he's Randy in Boise, per the Dunning–Kruger effect). As for titling—is there a ja.wp article on the topic? Perhaps that could point out a way. These days I've taken to untranslated titles, as the translated ones can cause problems—for example, I kept on running into different translations of Zashiki Hakkei and each of the prints in the series, so I decided to use the originals and a gloss rather than make an arbitrary decision about which translation to "make official", or load up the article with every translation I could find.
        I'll take a peak at the articles LordAmeth linked to over the break, but it might take me a few days—I'm supposed to go skiing for the next couple days (unless my youngest doesn't stop puking all over the place). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
        • Thank you! Someone finally realizes what I'm dealing with.. JA Wiki has 琉球の位階, which has the content of the article as of now. Yukatchu (良人) is the Okinawan term for the group, but JA Wiki barely mentions it. I have a source (Smits' Visions of Ryukyu in the glossary) that uses Yukatchu though, and I'm more inclined to use that as the title.
          I have university access to JSTOR, but I'll take anything you have to offer. I'm trying to get as much done before I go on a short trip to DC on the 4th, but skiing and puking sounds exciting too! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
          • If you're not in a rush, I could stop by the library one of these days and see if there are any good sources on this stuff. It might be a bit hard, though, because I don't really know well what I'm looking for. Would Court Ranks in Ryukyu or something like that be an inappropriate title? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:12, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
            • Not in a rush at all. If you're looking for something that's in Japanese, look for Iha Fuyū 伊波普猷 and Uezato Takashi 上里隆史. In English, Mitsugu and Smits as LordAmeth suggested, but also George Kerr. Uezato and Smits are the most recent and least biased. "Court ranks" is basically what JA Wiki did, so that is a possibility. I'm leaning more towards Yukatchu now because, as the native name, it has a certain meaning. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
              • Oh, I had it in my head that you wanted a separate article in addition to the Yukatchu one. If that term covers it, stick with it. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
                • Well, the current article will revert to the name Pechin and all of the information beyond the scope of "Pechin", the single rank, will be moved to Yukatchu, all of the ranks. So yes, that works out nicely then. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 07:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

So I dove back into this and now I'm drowning myself by getting sidetracked. I've gotten a lot done so far, although almost none of it has been with the Pechin or Yukatchu articles. I also just realized that Okinawa Shrine was created a month ago when I went to create it today. But progress is being made! I'm almost done with the history section for Military of the Ryukyu Kingdom. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 10:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

You have been doing a lot of work! I think I'm going to hold off getting involved for maybe a week or two, though—I took out a couple of huge, awkward art books from the library to use during the break, and I think I want to get as much done with them as I can before I have to take them back.
A couple things: is "Yomitanzan" correct? I don't see that in the Yomitan article. Also, I've left a message on the talk page of the user who created File:Ryukyu Kingdoms of Sanzan era.jpg, asking for a version with romanized labels, but it looks like the user hasn't edited in nearly three years. It would be nice to find a graphics person who could do that. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Japan just dropped the "-zan" character in 1907 when they abolished the magiri. I could add this to the Yomitan article (Ryukyu Kuniezu and Chuzan Seikan confirm it if you need a source). And you want the English for the castles right? And I noticed that that map is missing a handful of castles, it's also very difficult to find the exact locations of some of them. But Happy New Year! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 04:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
あけおめ! Not necessarily English for the map, but romaization for those who don't read kanji. It'd be a very good idea to add something about "-zan" to the Yomitan aritcle, for those of us who click through and are left with question marks hanging over our heads. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 Done with Yomitan, and I wrote history sections for a few other Okinawan municipalities while I was at it. The APJ:JF website got hacked, so if they haven't cleared it up yet you can see the amusement the hackers left: ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 07:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
The fuck? I couldn't go back, or even switch tabs—I had to restart my browser. What's the APJ:JF supposed to be? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, didn't do that to me. It's the Asia-Pacific Journal's Japan-related articles, and that website is where they post them. I was about to use Smits' article there for the rest of the Ryukyuan military article, then the site was hacked and replaced by that screen. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 08:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Fun fact: the hacked page autoplays an Indonesian song about Dahlia flowers. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 08:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
High-larious. Do you have an URL for the article? You might be able to find it at the Wayback Machine. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I hadn't thought of that, so I'll give it a try. Thanks! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 09:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I just finished the history and organization sections for the military article; I added images under the weapons section but I haven't written anything yet; the karate section is also blank. I'm taking a trip to DC until Wednesday, so I won't be able to edit until then. The Yukatchu rewrite is next on my to-do list. Thanks for c/e the article for me! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 05:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Are you sure you want a section on just karate, rather than a more general one on Okinawan martial arts? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
I just saw this, and I altered the section a bit. I've also moved most of the Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom to Yukatchu, but it's a bit of a mess even with some copy edits. The original author of the Yukatchu and Pechin articles didn't really use inline citations, but left all of their sources in a bibliography instead. I also can't physically move the page back to Pechin because of some technical reason, but I've requested a page move. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
That's frustrating. do you have access to those sources? If not, can you cite the stuff to the sources you have? If it's a hassle enough to work with what's there, there's nothing wrong with rewriting it from scratch—I've done that enough times. Sounds like more work, but sometimes it's actually easier. Work it up in a sandbox and when it's substantial enough, just cut-'n'-paste it over. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
It looks like Talk:Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom has been deleted rather than moved, so the links Lord Ameth left are gone. Do you have them? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Actually I do have access to those sources, they're in my university library. I'll just check them out for the weekend. I think it might be easier to just reorganize the article and find references for the (technically) uncited statements. And the only link LordAmeth provided, if I remember right, was to that article that I heavily cited for the military article. I will need the book on the Ryukyuan government that he mentioned though, but I should be able to get that in about a week. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 15:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[edit]

'Twas but a single click on Huggle. I've been noticing the edits on that article. I thought I had done a few more reverts and warnings, but must have been preempted... Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Bach, Handel, Beethoven, Verdi, Max Reger, Philip Glass and countless unnoticed others, such as Oskar Gottlieb Blarr, DYK yesterday, 12k+ hits, - and no READER ever protested. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Yeah, well, I'm not taking a position, I'm just pointing out poor reasoning. I'm in two minds about infoboxes—I'd rather have them (to serve different audiences with different purposes and contexts), but I don't trust the people in control of them, forcing info into them that shouldn't be there. I ran into those problems with the fascists controlling WP:NOVELS, then again with the people implementing the template code. I decided I'd had enough and stopped using them, but I still disagree entirely with WP:DISINFOBOX. I also get sick of the disinfoboxers' overinflated regard for their own prose. Of course, I write mainly articles nobody reads in the first place, so I don't have to worry about an infobox "distracting" from my beautiful prose Face-wink.svg Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
    • I was pleasantly surpised when one of my obscurities went from an average of 36 pageviews a day to being my fourth highest-viewed TFA, despite not having a graphic with the mainpage summary. I have to wonder what drew 40K people to this one that day. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! Congrats for the stats, more to the attention the article deserves. - You are not the only one disagreeing with the dated "Disinfobox", - see? - Would you have time for a FAC, with an infobox, naturally? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Wolverine (character)[edit]

I recently saw the AfD for Joker (character) and I remember we had a lengthy exchange about Wolverine (character). However after looking over Joker (character), I actually don't mind it and was wondering if we could do the same thing to Wolverine (character). That is: move the article back to Wolverine (comics) and create a separate set index linking to various adaptions of the character in other media at Wolverine (character). Thoughts?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

There's no problem with the idea of two such articles per se, but (comics) as a disambiguator is problematic. For one, "Wolverine IS-A comics" doesn't work, and for another, it would get confused with Wolverine (comic book). I think you'll find resistance to having an index as a base article, though. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 19:15, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
On that note, you should be sure it warrants multiple articles in the first place. If everything would fit in one comprehensive article, then it probably should. I'm not familiar enough with the character to say (I read Wolverine for maybe a year and a half in my tweens, and haven't seen any of his "other media" appearances). The "Fictional character biography" looks pretty crufty. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Speaking directly to TriiipleThreat, it would be wise to wait for the result at Joker (character) before taking that into serious consideration. DarkKnight2149 01:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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How would you transliterate 玄諦? Happy new year from freezing Saijo!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

  • I assume it's a name? If it is, it looks like it can read Gentei, but I wouldn't put any money on guessing the reading of a name. Happy New Year from the colder-than-usual Shizuoka! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Headaches on the way ...[edit]

Darkknight2149's not taking things well ... [2][3] Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Showing up two weeks later and laughing at the idea that anyone could have thought he hadn't dropped the stick is ... actually kinda funny, but for the wrong reason. He reverted his own comment on my talk page, which I would try to assume he realized it was inappropriate, except that he claimed it was because it was not "necessary". I asked him for clarificafion, which I hope will lead to his apologizing and properly strikingnthe comment rather than just laiming it isn't "necessary", but if he doubles down ... well, I don't really care. He can think I've got some beef with him if he likes; I don't, and that's all that matters to me. Hijiri 88 (やや) 04:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
From his performance at Talk:Joker (comics), the AfD, and at ANI, I expect him to double down. He's going to be a major roadblock in cleaning up the mess at WP:COMICS. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, if you need someone to back up your claims that he dismissed or downplayed non-comics influence on Batman characters, canvassed, and engaged in some pretty blatant IDHT behaviour, you know who to call. I'm gonna be focusing on Chinese poetry for the next while, though. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
The discussion'll end up being more general than what's happening on any particular character's page, and will probably end up at the Village Pump. I'm expecting more along the lines of endless IDHT nonsense drowning the conversation, and repeated insistence that characters are subsests of their appearances in comics. The wider community won't go for it, but it'll be time-consuming and obnoxious nonetheless.
Hey, do you actually read Chinese? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Not really. I know about as much classical Chinese as the average Japanese university student who isn't majoring in Japanese literature or anything to do with China, and I took a colloquial Mandarin class for a semester in college. Hijiri 88 (やや) 09:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, nothing's gonna get better. Now I've supposedly called for him to be blocked. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Me too. But per these two edits he appears to be at least capable of claiming that he's dropped the stick without in the same comment obviously indicating that he hasn't dropped the stick. I think it would be best for all of us to just forget about it at this point. If you bring something up at the village pump, don't mention the previous canvassing incident unless he canvasses again. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:24, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
It won't be me taking it to the Village Pump—it'll be someone like SMcCandlish who knowns more about the wider community & MoS issues. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
And threats to pick up the stick again at ANI. Good luck with that, DarkKnight (who's obviously watching)! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Per the diff above, I think he's finally calmed down and is sincerely interested in dropping the stick. If he takes anything to ANI at this point, no one will take it seriously, especially if you explicitly state as I am now doing that you're not interested in talking about this anymore. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:24, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm just keeping this stuff on the record. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
"Good luck, Darkknight!" - Oh, just drop it already. "One more question" was intended to be my last dog in this flamewar. Why, do I need to take this to ANI? Right now, I don't plan on doing so, unless my hand is somehow forced. DarkKnight2149 18:12, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
"Drop it", he says two days after the last comment. I'm documenting behavioural issues that are obviously going to play in interfering with attampts to clean up a problem we've had for years. Please, take it to ANI. It'll be more documentation on how disruptive you intend to be. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't edit yesterday (sarcasm). And you pretty much just admitted again that the only reason you're making false claims is because you disagree with me in a discussion (or rather, you're continuing to assume that WP:COMICS opinions are my opinions).
Do I need to take this to WP:ANI? Because you're incriminating yourself at this point. And the fact that you're continuing to keep this going after the argument between me and Hijiri88 wrapped shows the hypocrisy in your statement. DarkKnight2149 22:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
You need to learn the difference between disruptive behaviour (AKA what you're doing) and people simply disagreeing with you. DarkKnight2149 22:48, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
So fucking well take it to ANI already. Fucking Christ ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

More dramah. *sigh* Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:54, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Gobble, gobble. DarkKnight2149 03:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, we know you're WP:NOTHERE. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:36, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


Hey, I liked the work you did cleaning up the refs in our Narihira article last year. I've been trying to format new refs in articles I write in a similar way, but it's hard work, and I'm wondering if I'm doing it wrong; is there some shortcut or something that I'm missing? Hijiri 88 (やや) 04:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Where are you trying to do it? If you're replacing another reffing system with it, yeah, it'll be hard work, and probably not worth the effort if you're not planning on expanding or otherwise thoroughly reworking the article (or unless you're seriously OCD). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and the template is very sensitive to spelling. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
You can spot these errors easily if you add importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js'); to your /common.js. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Also, except in unusual circumstances, you don't need to do "|ref = {{SfnRef|Turkey|2017}}"—you can do just "|ref = harv" and the template will automagically spit out the link based on the author's surname and publication date. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I notice the Chinese and Japanese articles conflict on the birth & death dates. Is this maybe a Julian vs Gregorian thing? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I doubt it. If it was known that he was born/died in, say, January/February of one year in the Gregorian calendar but the previous year in the Chinese calendar, at least one of the sources would give the month, and scholars wouldn't need to speculate that because he referred to himself as a horse he was probably born in 790. More likely the early sources (which are relatively abundant) contradict each other. Brief biographical notes are given in both the 旧唐書 and the 新唐書, his near-contemporary wrote something called 李賀小伝, and there are probably others I'm missing (I don't know if the Song anthologies give any biographical data). Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:39, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Any idea if it's possible to italicize titles of encyclopedias with no named author?[4] I actually didn't notice it until now, but the Narihira article actually has this problem too. Also, if I did the "ref=harv" trick, how would it locate the bibliography entry to link to? Hijiri 88 (やや) 09:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I've never figured out how to do that. It might be worth bringing up to the template editors—everything I've tried has turned out funny. If you do "ref=harv", then you just use the author name(s) and the date of publication: {{sfn|Turkey|2017|p=12345}} or {{sfn|Turkey|Scout|2017|pp=123–456}}. The template[1] generates the links[2] itself. If you have two books from the same author in the same year, you can set "|year=2017a" and "|year=2017b".
  • Turkey, Curly (2017a). Ratfucking for fucking rats. 
  • Turkey, Curly (2017b). Pigfucking for fucking pigs. 
  1. ^ Turkey 2017a, p. 123.
  2. ^ Turkey 2017b, pp. 42–43.
Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For being able to stay civil against such raving lunacy, I hereby award you this barnstar. Display it with pride. Twitbookspacetube 23:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
@Twitbookspacetube: I think it would be a good idea not to use the phrase "raving lunacy". To elaborate, under the circumstances, would be inappropriate, but you, CT and I all know why questioning other users' sanity is generally unacceptable. You should just say "nonsense". Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
@Twitbookspacetube: @Hijiri88: At this point, I don't even mind TBH. I'm not holding any grudges. After a ban appeal, I'm moving on. Hopefully, this will soon be nothing more than a bad memory for all of us. DarkKnight2149 20:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Odd common ground[edit]

Do you watch Game of Thrones, CT? I've complained a few times about our growing number of articles on characters from the show, which claim to be about characters from the original books but flagrantly conflate the two, and overemphasize the popular TV adaptation. This is actually, ironically enough, the opposite problem of the comics articles, which overemphasize the less-popular source material. (Another difference is that WP:ASOIAF seems to by-and-large agree with me, at least in theory.)

If there is a discussion of fictional characters in general, I might point out the GOT problem, but I'm not really interested in the superheroes issue and probably won't follow it until then.

If you want to notify me when the main discussion starts, it would be appreciated.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

And right before saving, I got a massive deja vu spasm. Did I post this here before? Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

You've alluded to GOT enough times, but not this issue. I haven't read the books or watched the show. I don't watch a lot of TV. Maybe I'll get around to it, though—we just got Netflix a month or two ago.
You may want to bring it up as part of the larger character discussion, wherever it ends up taking place. But if WP:ASOIAF agrees with you, then what's the problem? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Scratch that—for some reason I thought GOT was a Netflix show. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
GOT (or at least the first three seasons) is pretty awesome. I bought the DVDs of the first season based on rumour, but it's at least worth a rental. Living in Japan I appreciate how much of a financial investment it is to buy DVD box sets of TV shows.
And just because I brought the SYNTH issue to WP:ASOIAF and they agreed with me it was a problem, I don't necessarily think they would all support solving the problem with AFDs (although the fact that apparently one new account is responsible for virtually all of the articles makes it a toss-up), and then there's the whole Keep I found a bunch of semi-reliable sources that kinda cover this topic in detail if one squints and pretends they aren't just plot summaries with weight problems. The topic clearly meets GNG. crowd, who present the same GNG argument in response to every AFD regardless of what the nominator's rationale was, post only once before ignoring rebuttals, and seem to represent a majority of the users who comment in AFDs.
By the way ... I didn't notice this until just now, but ... The Joker (The Dark Knight) is its own article. I mean ... really!? The hell?! It was a good actor playing a good character in a good movie, but that really shouldn't merit its own article.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 10:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm not interested enough in the topic to read it through (haven't even seen the movie), but I'm not going to hold it against anyone who wants to write up a fully-sourced article (the sources look legit, anyways). Just consider how obscure some of my articles are. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Plot summaries and GA[edit]

I posted these without reading your comment very closely, and I didn't want to annoy Drmies with a third reply to you in a row on his talk page, which is the main reason I'm posting this here but ... wow. Coincidence of coincidences, we were talking about the same phenomenon. I wonder if part of the reason the article I linked passed GA review was because of its shittily sourced plot summary section. It's a pure coincidence that I posted another GAR on an unrelated topic today, but ... that's a serious concern, if articles on fictional works and characters are expected to engage in a mild form of OR in order to pass the GA bar, especially given that one of the "official" criteria is that the articles can't includer OR. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Plot summaries might be worth a Village Pump discussion, though I'm not sure I'm interested in joining in. I have to wonder about the value of 700-word plot summaries in a lot of articles that could do with a line or two. Have you ever read One Hundred Years of Solitude? There's a book whose summary could easily get out of hand (even sourced), but probably would be best with a single paragraph, followed by a whack of analysis. I mean, if you really want that much detail of the plot, wouldn't you just read the book rather than Wikipedia? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Thing is, though, material that can be cited to secondary sources at least in theory has some encyclopedic value. "Analysis" might not make any sense without the relevant plot details also being explained, which is why sources give those details. Material that can only be found in the book itself might well be irrelevant. That's not to say plot summaries cited exclusively to secondary literature by top scholars can't still wind up looking like shit (see my article on the Matsuranomiya monogatari; or, heck, the English first draft). But yeah, if you see such a discussion happening somewhere, I'd appreciate a ping. :P Hijiri 88 (やや) 10:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't arguing against the idea they should be cited. I was going off on a tangent on the way Wikipedia's come to expect plot summaries—kind of a Procrustes Bed approach. I have to wonder how many readers actually want 700-word summaries for every book (I'm talking articles that would legitimately pass GA). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Southern Cross (wordless novel)[edit]

Nice little article on a rather curious subject—congratulations on reaching the main page :) —Deckiller (t-c-l) 05:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the article about an expression in art of "of indignation against the nuclear tests ..."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


I'm sure there's some rationale explanation for it, but Southern Cross (wordless novel) is now my second highest-viewed TFA. What surprised me more is that somebody seems to be reading it every day—the lowest number of pageviews in its entire history has been 2. Puts faith in my long tail POV of Wikipedia's value—it was the obscure articles that brought me here in the first place. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:28, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

ブルゾンちえみ Blouson Chiemi[edit]

New project if/when you're game-there is no English article on her, do you think it worthwhile?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

  • A quick Googling turns up what looks like enough RSes to make something. If you don't see a new article on her in the next few days, remind me. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
    • Kintetsubuffalo: the more I look into it, the more it looks like this'll be a tough one. She's in the news a lot, but it looks mostly like stuff announcing appearances in whatever ... she basically passes WP:NOTABILITY, but it's hard to find non-promotional info that's really encyclopaedic. I can't even find her birthdate and birthplace anywhere but at her agency's site ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:38, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have a pen ...[edit]

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I don't know what exactly my mistake was, but thanks for fixing it. Have an apple!

Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

  • Hijiri 88: You'd better use that pen to fix {{sfnm|1a1=Graham|1p=75|1y=568}} The year should be 1971 or 1977, but I don't know which number the page should be. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry -- thanks for pointing that out! I already fixed it, but in my defense... If you look at the page numbers given in the bibliography, it's pretty obvious what my mistake was. I got the "year" and "page" parameters mixed up (for whatever reason I seem to have been putting the year after the page and getting away with it) and misprinted "1971" as "71" as "75". It's a pretty ridiculous mistake for me to make, but given that 1977 doesn't have page numbers (I haven't read it and should probably remove it from the bibliography; it was there when I got there, but I removed all the text that might have been sourced to it) and 1971 was "560–570", it's ... well, sorry for the mistake, anyway. :P Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
I assumed it was the 75, but you know what they say when you assume things ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Love and Rockets X[edit]

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Wayback Machine doesn't like message boards (or just reddit)?[edit]

Hey CT, you've used the Internet Archive a lot, right? Have you ever encountered this? The archived page appears to just display the reddit loading screen... Hijiri 88 (やや) 02:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

If it's a bot that's archived it, there's no guarantee it's archived correctly. For example, for paywalled pages it often archives the paywall screen. If you use the site by hand, you always have to double-check that the page has archived correctly—it'll tell you if it can't archive due to robots.txt, but it won't tell you if it otherwise hasn't archived it properly.
As for Reddit, I don't know, but maybe the pages are "dynamic" in such a way as that makes them hard to archive correctly. Have you seen other archived Reddit pages load correctly? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sept haï-kaïs[edit]

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Hi Curly Turkey! I've finished the review and have noted a number of mostly small issues. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 05:55, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Love and Rockets X[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Sept haï-kaïs[edit]

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I get the feeling someone can't accept that the Marvel Cinematic Universe isn't flawless[edit]

Iron Fist (TV series)#Critical response

I know you don't necessarily follow superhero media, but ... wow. Marvel finally made a film/TV series that most people agree is terrible. When I noticed this I could kinda anticipate that the Wikipedia "Critical response" discussion would be an almost unreadable wall of text that (without having sunk more time into actually trying to read it; I haven't finished watching the show yet, so I'm not going to read through the Wikipedia article) I get the distinct feeling some editors (read: Marvel zombies) went over the top trying to "nuance".

I'm not asking you to do anything to the article (I might take a stab at it in a few days). I just thought you might get a larf out of what apparently happened, and what Wikipedia is up against trying to get decent coverage of this shit when our DC-focused mutual friend was only the tip of the iceberg and his TBAN is already a third of the way to expiring automatically.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

What's the problem? If we can source it, we have to allow it, right? Face-wink.svg
You probably know I don't think highly of superheroes. Comic books hit their sales peak in the early 1950s just as superhero sales were bottoming out, then saw a decline right up through the 1980s—a decline that saw superheroes come to dominate—and, I suspect, drive out the non-superhero fans. My evidence? Japanese and European sales continued to grow massively throughout the same period, despite the advent of TV, video games, etc. that we've been taught to be the real culprit behind the decline in the Anglosphere. It was always a massive embarrassment even for nerdy ol' me to walk into a comics dungeon to get my fix, having to wade through the gargantuan muscles, titties, and ultraviolent revenge-fantasy fulfillment to get to the back corner of the shop to get a copy of something I wanted (say, Little Orphan Annie), nestled on the bottom shelf ... under the porn. Every so often I'd run into someone who wasn't grossed out by my comics collecting, someone seemingly sympathetic to the possiblities of the medium ... and then they'd say something like "Comics is a form of literature. Take, for example, Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns ..." Comics is not a form of literature (it's primarily a visual medium) and Frank Miller is not even an example of literacy, let alone literature.
The kind of comics articles I deal with suffer the opposite problem—a dearth of sources. This includes works that ended up on The Comics Journal's best of the 20th century list. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:27, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

FAC Mentor[edit]

I think that the Garage rock article may finally be ready for FAC. I noticed that there is a mentorship program for new FAC nominees and your name on the list of mentors. You have also been helpful in your edits and advice regarding the article. I was wondering if you would like to be my mentor during the FAC process? Gobble Gobble. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:02, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I keep on promising to give the article a full copyedit. Let me get on that first. And, yeah, I'll try to "mentor" you through FAC. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:07, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate all of your assistance and look forward to your mentorship. I'll be happy to wait and give you a chance to finish the copyedit. Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Technical question[edit]

Did you get this ping just now? I didn't want to do my usual "make a separate post just to ping and sign", but I didn't want to change my previous signature, so I just used five tildes to date the "edit", and I'm curious if that was enough. Hijiri 88 (やや) 14:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Galaxy Note 7[edit]

"The" is not required; names do not take definite article if they are referring to an entire class of something. Having "the" implies it is only about one phone, period. ViperSnake151  Talk  22:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

That's absurb. Where do you even get this shit? "Already definite" is gibberish. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:07, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Your conduct in Liancourt Rocks[edit]

This comment Please don't feed the nationalists, of which Chunbum Park is clearly one is way over any line and unsurprisingly led to some nationalist bickering. So discuss the edits not the edit. Don't label other editors. Do it again and you won't be allowed to contribute further to the discussion. Ta. Spartaz Humbug! 08:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

"Led to some nationalist bickering"? Give me a fucking break. There's one nationalist in the entire fucking discussion, and he's now blocked as a sock of the nationalist Wikimachine who was subject to a site ban determined at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks. It does the discussion and project no good to avoid labelling disruptive and deceptive editors like this as what they are. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
You could ping a guy, Only in death, when you're tattling on them. Labelling a nationalist is apparently much more harmful to the project than the nationalist himself? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:53, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Pinging you would indicate I wanted your input. Since your edit consisted solely of personal attacks (specifically: accusing an editor of being a nationalist, saying an editor doesnt care about NPOV, accusing them of 'poisoning' an encyclopedia) frankly after being warned in advance that the page was being watched by administrators, it should come as no surprise when your personal attacks get removed and reported. If it makes you feel better, it was to alert Spartaz to the general tone the page was taking, which while you are not the sole problem, you are largely responsible for creating and the above edit was a prime example of the toxic environment. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
"consisted solely of personal attacks"—pointing out a seriously problematic editor threatening to derail a serious discussion is "solely ... personal attacks". What horseshit. No wonder nationalists are so difficult to deal with in this place. Shades of History of Japan and Korean influence on Japanese culture—the people labelling the nationalists were the "bad guys" until—after years—they finally managed to get the nationalists banned. Meanwhile, editor after editor disappeared due to burnout dealing withthe nationalists, and none of them have returned to finally clean up those articles. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Would you mind creating a redirect?[edit]

ArbCom told me that I'm allowed mention vaguely Japan-linked stuff when talking about my own biography in discussion of non-Japanese topics, and I just did so at Talk:Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal linking Assistant language teacher without realizing that English Wikipedia had up to now failed to create that as a redirect to Assistant Language Teacher. I'm gonna appeal the TBAN soon enough, but the discussion in question might be closed by then, I'd rather not change the direction of my own redlink when it really should exist as a redirect, and doing so might actually violate WP:POINT when, as I said, it really should exist, and not asking someone else to make the redirect could come across as a poor-taste satire on how unconstructive my TBAN is to the project. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Surprising it's not an automatic redirect. I mean, you get automatically redirected when you search for a term with different capitalization. Don't think I want to click through to the discussion itself ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Little Nemo (1911 film) scheduled for TFA[edit]

This is to let you know that the Little Nemo (1911 film) article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 29 April 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 29, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Wonderful. I wonder if a certain someone will try to goad me into an edit war again. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Peer review at Garage rock[edit]

I just noticed that your specific peer review comments on the Garage rock talk page. I'm sorry that I didn't notice them earlier, but I kept looking at the bottom of the page, rather than higher where you had them. Maybe we could put some of the older threads on the page into the archive to it make it easier to see the things that are specific to the here and now (the page has become hard to navigate). And, I've been really busy lately, so I've been in a rush--I haven't had time to be as thorough I should be--I've just been really busy and exhausted with a lot of things going on. I'll start tending to the issues you mentioned right away. Garagepunk66 (talk) 17:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem. There's no rush—there're no deadlines around here. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I really appreciate the time you have put into helping out. You'll see I've made some changes. I have a lot more to make, but I'll be working on them. Oh, incidentally, please be sure to ping me for any response comments you wish to add in the Peer Review sections--that way you can alert me and help direct me to them. I want to be able to address all of your concerns. Happy Easter! Gobble, Gobble Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Kanji and kana?[edit]

So there's an argument for removing Japanese writing at Talk:Soka Gakkai and I'm afraid this will spread to other articles. They say it's not relevant to an English encyclopedia to include any of it. What are your thoughts? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 18:31, 23 April 2017 (UTC)