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Bumping thread for 3650 days. DVdm (talk) 08:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, did u find a way to upload ur Version of Huggle 2.1.27? --Traeumer (talk) 12:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@Der.Traeumer: no response on As you can see above, I have sent one to user Petrb, but I have no idea whether he got it. Meanwhile I have a version that's preforming pretty well. Perhaps you can ping Petr about it. Anyway, if you send me a valid email adress, I will invite you on that shared dropbox folder. You'll find a zipped source, plus a compiled exe. Whenever I have a new build, I will put it in there. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 12:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Thx, my Email is der.traumer /at/ gmx /./ net . Regards --Traeumer (talk) 12:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Invitation sent. Please let me know if/when you get it? Thx. - DVdm (talk) 12:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Im sry, spelling error. der.traeumer /at/ gmx /./ net. Pls try it again. --Traeumer (talk) 12:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Invitation sent to new address. - DVdm (talk) 12:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, its working on german wiki too. I will test it later more. Greets --Traeumer (talk) 12:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@Petrb and Der.Traeumer: new version in shared dropbox. Caught another bug: stripping of html diff table is corrected. The original program counted on finding single quotes in result, but API returns double quotes. Removed a few dirty error traps. - DVdm (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

@Petrb and Der.Traeumer: there's one thing that I really have great difficulty with: in H3, when new entries are added to the queue, the user warning level (1,2,3,4) is correctly shown in the coloured blobs in the queue (not in the strips or in the user windows, but that's an H3-problem). Since quite some time, this does not happen in H2 anymore. I have tried to trace the reason for this, but I really can't find it... - DVdm (talk) 15:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I never note it, so i can life without it. --Traeumer (talk) 10:43, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

@Petrb and Der.Traeumer: new version in shared dropbox. Caught bug reading resources file WarningSummaries.txt. Separator char CRLF was used instead of vbLf, resulting in a corrupt lookup table. I made the config reader try both split schemes. User warning levels (1,2,3,4) correctly appear in the coloured blobs in the queue. Please try it out. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

@Petrb and Der.Traeumer: new version in shared dropbox. I also did something with a pull request at Github, but I have no idea whether I did it right. The Github logic and interface are a mystery to me. - DVdm (talk) 13:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I am extra busy but I will eventually merge it Petrb (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
@Petrb: no problem. There seems to be a problem too with expiring tokens or something: after some 30 minutes I get "'Invalid token" and I'm forced to logoff and logon again, losing my tabs and history. With H3 as well, it seems. Take all the time you need :-) - DVdm (talk) 09:02, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
@Petrb: I know you're busy with H3, but do you think there's any chance of somehow quickfixing that 30 minutes token problem in H2? Becoming very annoying, this. Cheers and tia. - DVdm (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Please let me know, if you ever are able to fix H2. --Traeumer (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@Der.Traeumer: I will, if I ever. But don't hold your breath... Face-sad.svg. See also Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback#User status not updated in Huggle 3. Feel free to weigh in there. DVdm (talk) 08:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

black hole information problem[edit]

Hi! I don't have references for the solution I gave to the black hole information paradox. It was my own idea- you were right to delete it. It was inspired by an idea I had 10 years ago relating to Bell's theorem and the experiment done in france by Alain Aspect on this theorem using correlated photon pairs. Originally I thought that if two correlated photons in space separated and one fell into a black hole then the polarization of the photon outside the hole could be measured and would tell us what the polarization of the photon inside the hole was because the photon pair have linked polarizations- Einstein's so-called "ghostly action at a distance". Hence we would know something about an electric field in the black hole. However because the universe must have escaped from gravity at the big bang I assume now that inside a black hole -also a singularity- matter has escaped the curvature of space time or curvature is zero in some places allowing matter to exist away from the geometric centre.This matter could potentially interact with hawking radiation and impart information in the form of polarization ,redshift, etc to the hawking radiation. My post was merely my own biased view on what I believe logic says must be happening in a black hole if information is not to be lost.

soopdishSoopdish (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:56, 12 April 2016‎ (UTC)

Geoff Wilkins[edit]

Just to check - any reason not to take HW70s80s to SPI for this, if there are overlapping spam edits? (User:GeoffDandridge also added the same link to the Alan Turing article last week.) Would press the button myself, but am curious if there's a good reason not to. --McGeddon (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

@McGeddon: I was on my way to SPI Face-smile.svg. Do you, or do I? - DVdm (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Happy to pull the lever, I'll go ahead and make a post. --McGeddon (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
@McGeddon: ok, If I see something to add, I will. Master = Geoffw1948 no doubt? - DVdm (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
That's all I'm seeing so far. Will post momentarily. --McGeddon (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the help there. {{linksummarylive}} is a handy template for listing spam URLs, if you've not met it before. --McGeddon (talk) 15:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

@McGeddon: ah yes, seen it before. It's a bit like {{spamlink}}. Thanks.
Perhaps this one is worth checking because he lists it as one of his web sites (although he does not put his name in the footer): Linksearch en - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:frMER-C Cross-wiki • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advancedCOIBot-Local - COIBot-XWiki - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: searchmeta • Domain: • Live link:
- DVdm (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Although that link was added to some articles by IP-sock User: in 2013, it doesn't seem to be breaking WP:ELNO, at first glance. We should be cautious about penalising an organisation who hired someone as their web developer, simply because that developer took up spamming their personal projects years later. --McGeddon (talk) 16:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. - DVdm (talk) 17:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

He's at it again? Talk about persistent. Given that Wilkins has been spamming Wikipedia again and again for a decade now, I think it is time to blacklist his sites. Paradoctor (talk) 06:13, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Geoffw1948/Archive. His (current) black backgrounded sitelist page is listed there. If/when one of these turn up, I'll go for the blacklist. Feel free to beat me to it though... - DVdm (talk) 06:28, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I try to keep away from WP these days, except for the occasional minor edit. Being me, I might beat you to it regardless. :P Paradoctor (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding LTA[edit]

I think that once an LTA page establishes a pattern of behaviour using existing SPI reports that admins will be able and willing to act on AIV reports without the formality of an SPI each time. A good example is Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Best_known_for_IP who is seen and blocked about 10 times a week. I am not an expert at either process but this is my impression. HighInBC Need help? {{ping|HighInBC}} 20:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a look at this example. Next time I will go for AIV only, and will keep a private record. We'll see how it goes. We can then decide to go for LTA. - DVdm (talk) 06:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
If you hadn't noticed, I've got 2 thank yous in a day (from two users to be precise) since you stopped being disruptive. Be sure to mention those in you LTA case. I'm ready to reference all my contributions, not just ones that I leave for you to see trough my contributions page. (talk) 00:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
@Bbb23, Favonian, HighInBC, Materialscientist, MrX, Widr, and Some others: as this user (Asdisis) clearly needs less effort to continue than I need to report, explain and revert, and as I want most of his targetted articles off my watchlist, I'll leave him in your hands. Unlike you, I need more than a few clicks to have him stopped for a few hours Face-smile.svg. - DVdm (talk) 08:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding my comment on continuity, and you stating there is no difference[edit]

You only mentioned the left hand side limit must exist, here:

No! That's the example of a jump discontinuity. Left hand side limit exists, and right hand side limit exists, but the L- does not equal the L+. Therefore, I propose to add:

", and the right hand side must exist, and the left hand side limit = right hand side limit". Why was the change rejected?2602:30A:C04D:830:DD6C:EEE5:DF3E:9B14 (talk) 09:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Your edit was rejected because:
  • the first part of your added condition ("the right hand side must exist") is already stated in the first condition: "f has to be defined at c",
  • the second part of your added condition ("and the left hand side limit = right hand side limit") is nonsense, because the right hand side is not a limit. It is a function value.
This is a definition. If you see limits at both sides of the equation, then your clearly don't understand what this is about. It also looks to me that you are confusing "left and right limits" with "left and right hand sides of an equation". You might try getting help understanding this at our wp:Reference desk/Mathematics. Good luck. - DVdm (talk) 09:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Divine view aka theory of everything[edit]

Hello DVdm, please review the work on theory of everything and decide for yourself if there is truth to what I put forth, the work is not cited in any popular journals, if you concur with the truth i request you to kindly put it back on the page it belongs for the world to see it. The divine view aka theory of everything is that there is absolutely nothing but universal singularity of i, expressed mathematically as zero = i = infinity [1] (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


Please put new talk page messages at the bottom of talk pages and sign your messages with four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the message. Thanks.
Alas, this is not the place for this. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought—please have a close look at WP:NOTFORUM. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 20:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Pi as a Ratio[edit]

Thank you for explaining your reversion. Doing a little more research, I see the "ratio of circumference to diameter" is the accepted formulation, though I'm still trying to understand why :P Carleas (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


There is a belief in math, but math can PERFECTLY describe using incidental variables that are totally unrelated to causality. This is huge, and if you would take the time to watch my video, it may open your eyes. Where in REALITY do you find the Right-Hand rule? Why is it not a Left-Hand rule? YOU COULD HELP, or CONTINUE with the SHEEP! I've tried everything, and I need some help. Label it controversial if you must. At the very least, please watch the video and then comment. Causality is much more fun, try it! ~~Jnhrtmn~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnhrtmn (talkcontribs) 18:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Your reversions[edit]

I am confused by these reversions (e.g., since the page to which you link does not say that roman typesetting is proscribed. Moreover, the use of italic here is sensu stricto not correct; properly denotes a product of variables and ; the typographical convention is that symbols (operators or numbers) with constant meanings are roman (e.g. Euler's number , the imaginary unit ) while variables are italic such as (a variable called e or an index called i).

The effect of your reversions, as I see it, is to increase ambiguity, and to decrease the quality of the mathematical typesetting, with no offsetting benefit. Archon 2488 (talk) 14:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Archon 2488: Sorry, I should have pointed to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Mathematics#Roman_versus_italic: "For single-letter variables and operators such as the differential, imaginary unit, and Euler's number, Wikipedia articles usually use an italic font." See also the remark in that section about making changes to articles vs MOS:RETAIN. That is why when you look at Help:Displaying a formula#Subscripts, superscripts, integrals (and at almost every mathematics related article) for places where differentials are used, they always use the simpler form. Surely you don't plan to overhaul 7954 articles? Face-smile.svg. This has been discussed many times on the talk pages of some heavily dx-loaded articles, and of course at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics—see for instance Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 20#Symbol for differential and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Dec#Upright "d" versus italic "d". Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I can't say that I'm pleased with the MOS basically demanding incorrectness (although this is far from the only place in which it does so). It also doesn't say anything about the typesetting of mathematical constants (Euler's number is no more a variable than "2" is a variable). The number of articles and the difficulty in fixing them is just an appeal to inertia, which I'd say is irrelevant – lots of articles aren't MOS-compliant, but that's no reason not to fix them when they are found (and in any case, there are bots for this sort of thing). But in any case, my appetite for trying to improve this any further has been duly suppressed by the usual tedious Wikipedia politics.
Just one request. Could you please just remove the allegedly MOS-noncompliant stuff rather than just reflexively punching the revert button? That kind of response really disincentivises people from improving anything. Archon 2488 (talk) 15:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@Archon 2488: Fair enough: [1] and [2]. - DVdm (talk) 16:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Can I get it back[edit]

I noticed that just now my edit in the page:Pythagorean theorem has been removed because I failed to provide a reliable source. Can I quote the verses from vedas..As the proof I showed there is vedic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surya Sunkara (talkcontribs) 16:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks.
@Surya Sunkara: The text was not good either. Please go to the article talk page Talk:Pythagorean theorem and propose your addition, in order to get a consensus with the other contributors. - DVdm (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I am new to Wikipedia ,by the way I didn't understood what you saidSurya Sunkara (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

kinetic energy correction[edit]

Hey Dvdm, not sure if I am doing this right. I wanted to reply because you corrected my change to the wikipedia page about kinetic energy. I was going through the relativistic corrections to the Hamiltonian of the hydrogen atom and calculated the same result as shown in the first lines on this page: [1]

Compare it with the wikipedia article and we are missing a minus sign in the Taylor expansion. Did I get something wrong here? (talk) 13:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


Yes, that page expresses T as a function of p, whereas our article expresses it as a function of v. Note that p = m γ v = m v / sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). - DVdm (talk) 13:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I double-checked and you are right. Naively, I expected that the expansions in v and p should bear the same signs, I guess this is a good reminder to be aware of the differences from Newtonian mechanics arising in special relativity. Do you mind if I complete the formula for p in the article and make a reference to the article [1] on the hyperfine structure of the atom? 2A02:168:203D:3:9C03:2B94:86D3:CD64 (talk) 16:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


Be my guest! Don't forget to add the source: [1]


  1. ^ Fitzpatrick, Richard (20 July 2010). "Fine Structure of Hydrogen". Quantum Mechanics. Retrieved 20 August 2016. 
- DVdm (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I went ahead: See [3]. - DVdm (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


Hello, we've never interacted before, but I see you've spotted the Asdisis sock-puppetry running rampant through a number of Balkan-related articles. Here's a few other IPs that ought to be investigated:


Cheers, 23 editor (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@23 editor:: thanks. See [4]. Fee free to add. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 23:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Why all those 'howevers' were removed[edit]

Closed here. Copied to and commented at Talk:Speed of light#Why all those 'howevers' were removed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

WP:EDITORIAL says this: More subtly, editorializing can produce implications that are not supported by the sources. Words such as but, however, and although may imply a relationship between two statements where none exists, possibly inappropriately undermining the validity of the first statement while giving undue weight to the credibility of the second.

Your revert also brought back the word famous. See WP:PUFFERY;

... legendary, great, acclaimed, visionary, outstanding, leading, celebrated, award-winning, landmark, cutting-edge, innovative, extraordinary, brilliant, hit, famous, renowned, remarkable, prestigious, world-class, respected, notable, virtuoso, honorable, awesome, unique ...

Therefore is optional. But I don't think Wikipedia should read like an essay that is trying to prove a particular point.

It also brought back the word argue, claim and maintain. See WP:SAID;

... reveal, point out, expose, explain, find, note, observe, insist, speculate, surmise, claim, assert, admit, confess, deny, clarify ...

Argue is a synonym for assert. Maintain is a synonym for insist.

To write that someone insisted, noted, observed, speculated, or surmised can suggest the degree of the speaker's carefulness, resoluteness, or access to evidence when that is unverifiable.

To write that someone asserted or claimed something can call their statement's credibility into question, by emphasizing any potential contradiction or implying a disregard for evidence.

The most famous of which is is obviously puffery. I am against positive and negative loading. I just want Wikipedia articles to be neutrally loaded. I have never heard of what happened in 1887 before.

So that most famous experiment of the 1880s can't be famous at all to me. Famous is subjective. LittleBigPlanet won't seem famous to you until you've heard of it for a while.

--Turkeybutt (talk) 16:49, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Please take this to the article talk page Talk:Speed of light, so other contributors can comment. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 19:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
@Turkeybutt JC: I went ahead and copied your comment to the article talk page: [5]. I also replied there. - DVdm (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.