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DYKCheck[edit]

I recently had an encounter with a DYK reviewer who is having a hard time understanding DYK policy in regaurds to reviewing hooks where the editor started an article in user space and then moved it into article space. He/she doesn't seem to be grasping how to determine how old the article is, and they refused to believe the article shouldn't be rejected after several other reviewers, including myself, pointed out the relevent policies. Anyway, the article in question has since been promoted so that is not an issue. Howeverm this editor is still confused. I thought you might be able to explain DYKCheck better than me at User talk:Philcha#DYKcheck. Thanks for any help you can give in advance. Best, 4meter4 (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I've been swamped by other things for the last week, and I apologize for the late reply. The discussion there seems to have died down, so I'll reply here. A few things:
  • The tone in that discussion was quite unhealthy (this isn't directed at anyone in particular). Continuing the discussion seemed to be getting everyone more worked up.
  • There are a lot of boxes to check when reviewing DYKs. This comes naturally for DYK regulars, but isn't so easy for those reviewing for the first few times. Incidentally, this is why I made DYKcheck; to reduce the tedious aspects of reviewing.
  • I agree with Philcha that the documentation for DYK isn't great. In the past we've made efforts to simplify the submission process and make it more understandable, but we've yet to do that for the reviewing side of things. DYK as a whole should be open to feedback.
  • DYKcheck is a tool, and should not replace human judgment. Therefore, reviewers using it should be able to manually verify that DYKcheck's output is correct (or incorrect). Which leads into my next point...
  • The Wikimedia software itself has its own quirks. A normal person would expect this page to contain something if in fact a move had taken place. What isn't obvious is that the moves only show up on the log of the "from" title, and don't show up on the "target" title log. You can search through the normal edit history on the target page for an edit summary like "moved <from title> to <target title>", but again, this isn't obvious to the normal user (this is how DYKcheck finds moves by the way). (And I notice that no one pointed out these subtleties to Philcha.)
  • I will expand the "Using DYKcheck" on DYKcheck's documentation page to try to address Philcha's issues with using the script (when I find some time to breathe). I'm always open to feedback/criticism/rants/raves on anything I've worked on.
Shubinator (talk) 23:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Who gets the credit, how does it work?[edit]

As the creator of the article Titanomyrma, which is now on the main page, I would've like to have been told. When I come to Wikipedia, I go to my watchlist which I bookmarked, and not the main page, so I would've have noticed except I have someone else's talk page on my watchlist. I notice that at least two people who worked on the article got a message. Shouldn't the article's creator get it as well? Or was there an error since someone renamed it from my original Titanomyrma lubei to its current shorter title of Titanomyrma? Is that a bug? Dream Focus 19:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

You have Titanomyrma watchlisted, right? This edit should have shown up on your watchlist. As for the user talk page notices, those are determined by whoever nominated the article for DYK, at the time they nominate the article for DYK. In this case, these edits show the {{DYKmake}} templates being added to the nomination. The bot simply follows these templates. So no, it's not a bug.
As to the separate question of whether you should receive credit, this case is ambiguous. The nominator was nominating for DYK on the basis of expansion, not creation. However, it would have been courteous of the nominator to include you in the credits. Shubinator (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK fix[edit]

Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Local_time_updates got ignored and you may be able to help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 17:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot disabled?[edit]

Did something happen to this bot? It hasn't made any updates in about 18 hours. OCNative (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it was having connectivity issues. I've restarted it. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant bot-maker advice sought[edit]

Could you please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#What_should_happen_before_a_brilliant_bot-maker_does_this.3F and give some advice? There seems to be consensus that it would be good to have a bot-notification to the article talk page triggered at the time somebody nominates the article for DYK. Nobody objected to the simple wording I proposed, which is of course based on your earlier work:

"This article Name of Article has been nominated to be linked to from Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column using the hook "Did you know ... text of hook proposed?" The DYK discussion will be here (a link to article's discussion at DYK)."

I hope this proposal meets with your approval and that you can suggest a way to implement it. Thanks for your work on the DYKUpdateBot! betsythedevine (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. I've been meaning to comment on that discussion for more than a week now, but my free time has been very patchy; sorry. Shubinator (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
And now I've replied there with a possible codable-solution to issues you raised. Thanks again for thinking about this! betsythedevine (talk) 06:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

...for the support. Haven't seen you in a while (but I think of you every time I remove the stub template from a DYK-nominated article) but I see you're still plugging along. Thanks again, and see you around, Drmies (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem :) Yep, I'm still chugging along. I keep thinking that in a few months I'll have more free time, but for some reason that "more free time" never appears. Never fear though, you'll have to put up with me a while longer :) Shubinator (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

DYN[edit]

Hi, How about linking the word refah in the Did you know section (30 May) to the page Refah tragedy ? Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this is already off the Main Page. Also, I agree with the way the article was linked; since the article is about a specific event and not the boat itself, the wikilink on the verb is more appropriate than a wikilink on the boat. Shubinator (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Note[edit]

Once you're on-line, have a look here [1]. I had no time at all to investigate this, but there is something odd with {{Did you know/Next update}} redirecting to prep1. Maybe I should change that redirect instead of reverting Edokter. Or maybe this is somehow related to the preview of the "next day main page" with prep1 in it (handy when composing the set). Materialscientist (talk) 07:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a remnant of when the preps were Next update and Next Next update, which itself is a remnant of a time before DYKUpdateBot and DYKadminBot. (If you're curious, the discussions to change the names are here and here.) I'm tempted to leave the redirect as-is since a lot of stuff used /Next update in the past. However, tweaking the redirect to point to the next queue (if templates are allowed within redirects) also isn't a bad idea. Shubinator (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Coccolithovirus.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Coccolithovirus.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Just in case you're wondering: the file was featured in 2006. It had no proper license, but was moved to commons, and thus deleted on en.wiki in 2007, and then deleted on Commons, in 2011. Thus it appears as an empty tagged file, but the tagging was done in 2009, when the file was alive. Materialscientist (talk) 13:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it's an unfortunate side-effect of the way we do file tagging: if/when the file on Commons is deleted, the tag on enwiki needs to be manually cleaned up. Shubinator (talk) 06:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK thoughts[edit]

Hi Shub. I just wanted to take one more stab at my idea for a DYK bot that supports AfD-style nominations before I retire it. I hope you'll indulge me! Here's what I had envisioned this bot doing:

  • Checks T:TDYK for new sections that resemble the results of a {{subst:NewDYKnom}} transclusion
  • For each one it finds, it:
    • creates a new page of the form Template talk:Did you know/Article create date/Article1 name
    • moves the contents of the T:DYK section to this page, and adds a link to watchlist that page just beneath the section header
    • it replaces the section on the T:DYK page with a transclusion of the subpage

The nice things about doing it this way are:

  • It requires no additional part on the work of the nominator (or anyone else).
  • It requires no changes to the "how to nominate" documentation.
  • It requires only minimal changes to the way queues are promoted: the hook (and image, credits, etc) are copied from the subpage, and the transclusion of the subpage is removed from T:DYK.
  • If the bot stops working, there's essentially no harm to the DYK process; nominators continue to add nominations the same way, and reviewers continue to click the edit button and add their comments. Only the watchlisting function will be offline, and only people promoting the hooks to prep will need to do anything differently, and only then if the bot's not back up by the time the hook's approved.

To be clear, I'm not volunteering you for any work; I'm happy to write this bot myself now that my bot is up and running and behaving like it should. I just wanted to run this by you, rather than everyone on WT:DYK, since you're the expert. If you think it's unworkable or otherwise a bad idea, I promise not to be offended, and will drop it; I just wanted to put down my thoughts while they were still fresh in my mind. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any need for a bot. If we decide to go with AfD-style transclusions, updating the instructions for nominating is trivial, and unlike a bot it wouldn't require additional maintenance or a BRFA. Simply having people directly post their nominations to the proper subpage (basically what is already done for AfD, MfD, FA, and PR nominations) would be much simpler than writing a bot to do it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's unworkable or a terrible idea, but I do feel there isn't much to be gained. The cons:
  • The closer a bot interacts with everyday users, the more often it'll go down/crash. This is why making DYKUpdateBot was relatively easy; its input has already been screened by admins, compared to DYKcheck, which has to anticipate all sorts of hare-brained users (one reason why I haven't bot-ified DYKcheck).
  • A small but not insignificant number of DYK regulars don't use {{NewDYKNom}}, which makes coding the bot harder.
  • We're adding dependencies. On the Toolserver, on Wikipedia's APIs, etc. Disruptions in the dependencies ripple across to the bot. (For example, toolserver maintenance periods and changes to the API (API changes are decently rare but can have far-reaching consequences...a while back they went from 1-step login to 2-step login, which killed the old DYKadminBot).)
  • T:TDYK is one of the most-edited pages on English Wikipedia (and therefore, on any Wikipedia). The bot will have to know edit conflicts like the back of its hand (assuming it has a hand, but you get my point :) ).
  • My philosophy with bots is that they shouldn't be irreplaceable, so that if/when all bots disappear, things will still run. Maybe not well, but the system will still work. I love that DYKUpdateBot has been stable for over a year, but at the same time I wonder how many currently active DYK admins could perform a full update (can you?). (And I realize this is a philosophical point and nearly impossible to address.)
Most of my concerns are with building a sturdy bot in the first place, and then actively maintaining the bot. If you're willing to put in the effort, go for it. Shubinator (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
All reasonable concerns. I won't push for a bot, then, and will just stand by to help in case one is wanted. (And I think I know how to do the update manually, but only because I've looked at DYKUpdateBot's contribs.) 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
K. Making your current bot bulletproof will give you more experience if/when it's needed. Implementing DYKHousekeepingBot helped me understand some of the API's idiosyncrasies before DYKUpdateBot came along (not to mention it gave me a nice head start on code). Granted, the python bot libraries are more mature than the java ones, so you'll probably have fewer issues to deal with. (That's the best place to start. I learned the DYK update process by looking at DYKadminBot's contribs, and when it was malfunctioning, figuring out what it missed. Even today DYKadminBot and DYKUpdateBot have a similar "feel".) Shubinator (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Thinking some more about this, perhaps a bot that could help but wouldn't "get in the way" would be one that maintains a new page that lists only unreviewed nominations? In other words Template talk:Did you know/unreviewed would be updated every hour or so to transclude all of the T:TDYK subpages that contain only the nomination and no other editors' comments? I occasionally see comments from nominators saying they can't find any unreviewed ones, maybe this would help. It wouldn't edit T:TDYK, just read it. What do you think? 28bytes (talk) 20:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure. It'll be much easier to code, and you won't have to worry about things like edit conflicts. And if the bot is down it won't affect the main DYK process. Shubinator (talk) 17:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Shubinator, your efforts are very much appreciated. I didn't know about them until now, as I'm relatively new to DYK reviewing. Please let me know if you have any ideas/advice on how to make the noms watchlistable. Cheers. Tony (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Good to hear. The transcluded noms idea seems like it's been discussed enough, and is now waiting for someone to implement it. It's theoretically not too complex (and perhaps this is what you meant by your comment on WT:DYK...to be clear, even the theoretically simplest of ideas takes a decent amount of sweat to make a reality), so someone should take the initiative and do it. (And I note rjanag and cmadler have both made prototypes, so it looks like it's rolling along.) Shubinator (talk) 06:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Excellent; thanks, Subinator. Tony (talk) 10:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Shubinator, the latest about the DYK restructuring is at WT:DYK#Something new, and I'm soliciting people's comments at WP:DYK#New nomination setup. If you have time, it would be nice if you could comment on whether either my or Cmadler's proposal will be easier or more difficult for DYKcheck to handle. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. One more quick question: will the bot still be able to get the info it needs for Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count under the new system? I can partially replicate it using categories in the subpages (e.g., "Category:Pending DYK nominations from 2011 July 4", etc.), but that wouldn't be able to replace things the bot does like counting the verified vs. unverified noms and organizing them into the table. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
No, the core of DYKHousekeepingBot will have to be rewritten, either to parse HTML, or traverse the transclusions. Shouldn't be too hard to do. Next two weekends look especially busy for me though. Shubinator (talk) 06:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah, no worries. I don't think it's urgent, I'm sure they can survive without the hook count for a few weeks (and I doubt they'll be ready to start using the new setup that soon anyway). In the interim, I can use categories to give them a rough hook count. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. The date/time of the switch should be advertised for a day or two before it actually happens; for one, it gives me time to turn off DYKHousekeepingBot (I believe it would fill the table with 0's if left on). Shubinator (talk) 06:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Bot staled[edit]

Check'em if you're around. I've reset the queue for the next update to start at 00:00 UTC 30 June - just got online. Materialscientist (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

*facepalm* Classic null pointer exception. Bot reset. Looking into the best way of revising the code. Shubinator (talk) 05:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Code fixed. Since this is a decently major bug I've pushed the update to the live code as well. I'll be asleep for the next update, but I'll check on everything in the morning. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll monitor the next update, but not the update after. (I have developed a worrying tendency to remove the <!--Hooks--> tag. This cost us one missing update when I was offline. :).
Excellent. (Eh, we all have our not-so-bright moments. I'm still marveling at that null pointer...) Shubinator (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Strobilomyces foveatus 93685.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Strobilomyces foveatus 93685.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count[edit]

This hasn't been updated in three days. Is there a problem with the bot? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Bot restarted. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 07:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Shubinator. This seems to have frozen. Just an FYI. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 02:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

This time it's intentional :) The bot's stats would be inaccurate since we're phasing in the new transclusion system, and in my opinion, no stats are better than inaccurate stats. It'll be up and running again once I rewrite some of the core. Shubinator (talk) 02:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
OK, Shubinator. Thanks. Happy coding. :-) Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 17:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

DYKCheck installation[edit]

Would you mind looking at my installation of DYKCheck. I have bypassed the browser cache, but nothing appears in the toolbox sidebar. --Epipelagic (talk) 00:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'm assuming you're using the monobook skin? You can also try placing the DYKcheck line above all the others to help narrow down the issue. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot[edit]

Three queues are empty. Should I be worried? How can I fix this? So confused! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It's normal; nothing to worry about. A couple of years ago having three queues full was rare. Having said that, if a prep is full, feel free to verify the set and move it into a queue. Thanks for helping out at DYK! Shubinator (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot and the transcluded nom system[edit]

DYKHousekeepingBot hasn't updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in 4 days and 5 hours, which is odd. :)

Is this related to the new subpage system that has been implemented? --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep, see #Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. I stopped it instead of letting it run and produce inaccurate stats. Shubinator (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The output from Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is still appearing on the Queue page, but it hasn't been updated since July 24... The count has been really useful in the past; it should be reinstated if at all possible, IMO. --Orlady (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll try to get to it within a week. Shubinator (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot is now up and running. It's a decent bit more brittle than it used to be, since it's now scraping the HTML directly and not the wikitext. Also, the sections that have been promoted (and show only "Promoted:" and a link) are seen as unverified hooks by the bot. If we can add some sort of marker (HTML comment?), I can make the bot ignore those sections entirely. Shubinator (talk) 06:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I can do that, for both promoted and rejected noms. How about <!--Archived nomination--> in front of both? (I mean, in front of the "Promoted:", not in front of the section header.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
It looks like comments in the wikitext aren't showing up in the HTML. <div style="display:none">Archived nomination</div> should do the trick though... Yeah, makes sense to add the tag for both promoted and rejected noms; they shouldn't be counted in the stats. Shubinator (talk) 04:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok, it's in there now, [2]. Should show up in passed/failed noms from now on. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll try to add the corresponding bot code within a day or two...too sleepy right now. Shubinator (talk) 06:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Done. I've also fixed a fairly bad bug where the total number of hooks was displaying half of the actual total. I should be trouted for that one... Shubinator (talk) 07:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

DYKcheck pages[edit]

Hi, can DYKcheck be enabled for nomination subpages? And, while I'm asking, I'd also like to see it enabled for Preps and Queues, which would make things such as checking hook length much easier. Thanks, MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Honestly this is a tad low on my list of priorities; bringing DYKHousekeepingBot back online and fixing DYKcheck on T:TDYK are higher priority for me. In other words, it might take a while before I look at this in detail (it's not trivial). Shubinator (talk) 16:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Please check the update bot[edit]

Something froze him for the update around 9 am UTC, 30 July, and I couldn't see right away what. In the update time template, there were spaces in front of the time value, but this wasn't a problem before. The name of the first article was rather long, but this shouldn't stop him from starting the update. Materialscientist (talk) 10:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The bot was unable to write to T:DYK, probably due to Mediawiki issues. The bot has recovered and should make the next update without issues. Shubinator (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Another thing....[edit]

Hey Shubs, I was worried I haven't stolen enough of your time yet for DYK tasks, so here's another ;) . When you have a moment, would you care to look at User talk:DumbBOT#Using DumbBOT for DYK? and let me know if this is something you think DYKHousekeepingBot et al. could do easily? I don't know how difficult it would be to program something like this; if it would be a big hassle then I can wait until September and ask Tizio about it again, since it's not really an urgent task and it looks like getting DumbBOT or something like that to do it would only require some minor changes. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely doable, though unfortunately there's no efficient way of going about it. Option 1: The bot would enumerate all the subpages of "Template talk:Did you know" (imagine this a year from now...tons and tons of subpages), and of those edited recently, enumerate all backlinks (pages that point to that page), and search through the backlinks for T:TDYK or a daily log. And if one of those backlinks isn't found, figure out who created the page, and notify them. Option 2: The bot checks the new Template talk pages every so often (1), and if the title starts with "Template talk:Did you know/", check backlinks. If backlink not found, notify user. I like option 2 a bit better since it scales better (in other words, the processing time will be the same now as two years from now). So I'll see when I can get around to making a prototype...maybe in a few weeks. Shubinator (talk) 07:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Awesome! For what it's worth, all the subpages that haven't been approved or rejected yet (including ones that have been created but not yet transcluded) are in Category:Pending DYK nominations, I don't know if that makes things any easier? rʨanaɢ (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
That'll definitely come in useful. Make that Option 3: Bot enumerates all pages in the pending category, sorted by time created (2). For all entries after the last timestamp the bot ended at, and before the timestamp the bot wants to stop at, figure out backlinks etc etc. Much cleaner. Shubinator (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Shubs, sorry to bother you, I just wanted to see if you've gotten a chance to look into this at all yet. The past few days there have been a bunch of complaints at WT:DYK from people who didn't read the instructions and thus didn't transclude their noms and their noms have never been reviewed; today I just got rid of 30-some noms from months ago that had never been transcluded. If a bot were able to check these daily or something I think it would pretty much eliminate the problem.
Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, hadn't realized we'd settled on option 3. Next week is pretty bad for me, but I should be able to get to this in two or three weeks. And after the code is written, it'll need to go through BRFA. Shubinator (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
That sounds like a plan, no rush. Thanks! rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I haven't forgotten about this; I've had a decently heavy workload lately. I'll try to get to this within four or five weeks (I'm traveling for a couple of weeks starting on the 25th, and unfortunately I can't code "on the road" this time). Shubinator (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Code finished, more or less. We've got two things that need to be hashed out: 1) the message the bot will post on the users' talk pages (this would probably be best as a template, like {{UpdatedDYK}}), and 2) how much of a grace period we should allow between the nominator creating the nom page and transclusion onto T:TDYK (as it is now the bot will give the user 48 hours). After these are sorted out, we're ready for BRfA! Shubinator (talk) 15:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks so much for doing that! As for the second thing, I just threw together {{DYK nomination needs transcluded}}, which the bot can post. As for the grace period, I'm fine with 48 hours but also it can be much shorter (depending on how feasible it is to run the bot frequently). Ideally, people should be transcluding their nominations immediately, so if for instance 12 hours have passed and it hasn't been done then I would assume they forgot to do it and they need the bot message. But if it's not feasible to have the bot run that often, 48 hours is fine too. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) The template looks good; I'll tweak it to add instructions on deleting the page if they don't want to continue with the nomination. I'll make the grace period 24 hours so it's a once-daily run; it's possible that the nominator only has time during the evenings, and intends to come back to it the next evening. Time to draft up a BRfA :) Shubinator (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Filed. Shubinator (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Yet another side effect of DYK turmoil[edit]

In yet another side effect of the turmoil at DYK, I note that Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is still showing counts for several days' sets of hooks that have been removed from the nominations page. Presumably this is related to the fact that the nomination pages for these dates still exist as log pages. Also, the DYK hook count is not getting updated to include dates more recent than 12 August.

"If it isn't one thing, it's another." --Orlady (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

This is a deeper problem. Wikipedia itself is returning a T:TDYK timestamped at 20110813121330 (August 13th) to the bot. Apart from that the bot's output appears to be correct. If this doesn't fix itself, or is a recurring issue, I'll have to rewrite the bot core again. Shubinator (talk) 05:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, looks like even with Wikipedia returning an old page, the bot should have some numbers for August 13th. Looking into it... Shubinator (talk) 05:54, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Fixed the bug where it wasn't showing the last day. Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK check[edit]

Not a big deal, but was curious about a resent result while performing a DYKcheck. At 3rd Battalion, 10th Aviation Regiment (United States) it only performed the check on the lead. Doesn't appear to happen with a couple of random articles I pulled up and thought it was weird so thought I would bring it up. Take care Shubinator. Kindly Calmer Waters 06:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The page had broken HTML; so broken I'm a tad surprised my browsers are letting the page get away with it. It had unmatched <div> tags, which were added in this edit. Since the HTML was broken, the DOM (essentially the tree representation of it) was broken too. Should be good now. Shubinator (talk) 06:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I learned something new, always do when I talk with you :). I'll start watching for such things in the future. Thanks again. Much appreciated. Calmer Waters 06:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem, always glad to help :) Shubinator (talk) 10:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkpage tagging by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

Hey Shubs,

I recently updated User:Ameliorate!/DYKtalkintro, which is what generates the editnotice if people do talkpage credit tagging by hand (they paste in the {{dyktalk}} created by that edit notice); I edited it so that it also includes |nompage=, which in the {{dyktalk}} template will make a link to the nomination subpage ([3]).

I think this isn't happening when the bot does tagging, since the bot doesn't (I assume) need to copy that editnotice to do its tagging. Do you know if it would be easy to have the bot do it? Basically it just adds |nompage= if it can figure out where the nompage is (e.g., if the nomination subpage has the same name as the article, which is usually the case but not always).

Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Should be pretty simple. I think I can just add this into the template string as a subst and make Mediawiki do the grunt work of figuring out if the page exists :P I'm too sleepy right now to trust myself with DYKUpdateBot, so I'll try to make the change within a week. Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
No worries, there's no hurry.
Since this method is still prone to missing some pages (for instance, the article may not match the subpage name if it's a multi-nomination, if the article was moved before the nom hit the main page, or if the nominator simply made a typo or used some other name), what would really be best would be if I updated {{NewDYKnom}} so that it automatically filled in the DYKmake/DYKnom templates with {{FULLPAGENAME}} when people saved their noms, and then that information could be preserved through the preps and queues and DYKUpdateBot could somehow use that to fill in |nompage=; this would be more accurate than just using the {{BASEPAGENAME}}at the time the bot tags the talk page, and would still require no extra work for the humans. I'm no sure if that's any easier or harder to code for the bot, though. If you want to try this route, just let me know and I can make the changes to the various templates. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
This approach is doable; wouldn't take too much extra bot code. Might make it tougher for the folks promoting into the prep though, for noms that don't use NewDYKNom. Shubinator (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Done; if a DYKmake template has the subpage parameter, DYKUpdateBot will propagate it to the nompage parameter in the corresponding {{dyktalk}}. Shubinator (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

DYKhousekeepingbot[edit]

... is not keeping house very well lately, only updating Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count every 10 to 24 hours instead of every couple of hours like it used to. Any chance you could fix it? Gatoclass (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

See #Yet another side effect of DYK turmoil. Looks like I'm gonna hafta rewrite the core again. I'll try to get to it within a week. Shubinator (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Done. Let me know if you spot anything else that needs fixing. Shubinator (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Looks great Shubs :) Thanks so much for that. Gatoclass (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 17:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYKcheck fixed on T:TDYK[edit]

For those who've noticed, I've fixed the bug where DYKcheck would think the first nom on T:TDYK was one of the instruction sections. Shubinator (talk) 02:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK Template problem[edit]

Please see User_talk:Victuallers#DYK_Template. --Odie5533 (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Daphne Oseña-Paez .jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Daphne Oseña-Paez .jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for following the talk page redirect. Shubinator (talk) 16:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for tweaking the DYK update bot[edit]

I crop DYK images a lot and sometimes clone the crops on Commons, but often don't, as minor crops are useless for anything else than the 8 hrs on the main page. In the latter case, I just upload the cropped file over the existing file. Sometimes this crop removes details which would be useful to the readers during those 8 hrs, as pointed to me recently by David Levy. I think the easiest fix is to amend the bot as follows:

If the file of DYK image, say DYK.jpg, contains {{M-cropped|target.jpg}} (i.e. it is on en.wiki) then, after the bot replaced the DYK set on the main page,

  1. Delete DYK.jpg irrespective of its presence on Commons.
  2. Replace DYK.jpg by target.jpg in the DYK archive (while archiving the last set).
  3. Tag target.jpg instead of DYK.jpg with "was featured on the main page on .."

This might (not necessarily) couple with using [[File:DYK.jpg|100x100px|link=target.jpg]], while or right before promoting the set to the queues (this is when I crop). If this form is used, then the "link=" file becomes equal to the "file:" itself that should cause no harm.

However, the bot should still check target.jpg and delete it if it contains {{c-uploaded}} and is a copy of a Commons image. Materialscientist (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

The logic is a bit complicated, but it looks doable. I'll see when I can get to it. Shubinator (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Not urgent, and, forget the cumbersome [[File:DYK.jpg|100x100px|link=target.jpg]] part - I won't use it anyway :-). After this is set up, it will work like this: I crop the file and upload it to en.wiki not as "c-uploaded" but as "m-cropped". This m-cropped file is for main page use only - the article images are untouched. After featuring, the bot deletes this temporary DYK.jpg file and replaces its link in the hook with the uncropped target (which I specify for him in the template), for archiving purposes. Materialscientist (talk) 05:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Implemented as described, minus the link= stuff. It looks like none of the images in the queues or preps are cropped, so I'll keep an eye out; I'd like to see the bot execute one run successfully using the new feature. Shubinator (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
And the winner is File:DYK Great Match (The Flying Dutchman and Voltigeur).jpg in queue 1. Shubinator (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
D'oh, let's try that again... Shubinator (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Next shot: File:Histrio histrio by A. H. Baldwin-crop.jpg in queue 6. Shubinator (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Seems Ok to me. If so, we (you :-) better tell the project how to add temporal crops to preps. Materialscientist (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Done :) Shubinator (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

12 hour update[edit]

Community decided to go to 12 hour update. Would be great if you checked the bot templates (time drifts, brown message saying that the update is overdue, etc.). Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember seeing that discussion a few days ago. Everything should auto-magically work like Allen3 said, but I'll take a glance around to make sure. Shubinator (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Overall looks good. However, it seems like the behavior of {{DYK-Refresh}} is a tad different; before it would show brown if the update was delayed, but not delayed more than two hours. With the current code, the template is brown in the two hours before an update. Not sure if this is intentional. Shubinator (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Difference is due primarily to my having spent time away from day-to-day DYK operations and my memory not completely matching reality. The difference has been removed. --Allen3 talk 21:47, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 16:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Another suggestion for the DYK bot[edit]

This starts worrying me - I'm trying to catch these in advance and correct afterwards, but there is always a chance for a human error. Can you teach the bot ignore "|subpage=" after username in the credits lines? Would be great. Best. Materialscientist (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. I'll be asleep for the next update, but will check on everything once I wake up. (Also, I'm in the process of updating /Code, but Mediawiki apparently disagrees...) Shubinator (talk) 04:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Mkay, I'm leaving /Code for tomorrow too; it seems to have manifested a read-only force field. Shubinator (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The bot looks like its running fine. Meanwhile that force field hasn't gone away; if it's still there by the weekend I'll see if I can get creative with it, or loop the WP:VPT folks in. Shubinator (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I was watching the last updates and saw no problems. The wikimedia servers seemed unstable during the last 16 hours or so (now seems better) - blue screens, database problems, some scripts stopped working, etc. Materialscientist (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
No problem :) Huh, that would explain the weirdness with /Code...hopefully it'll be fixed soonish. Shubinator (talk) 05:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
/Code updated. Shubinator (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.18[edit]

DYKUpdateBot and DYKHousekeepingBot both appear to have stopped working about the same time MediaWiki 1.18 was brought online (sometime between 00:30 and 01:00 (UTC) this morning). Hopefully they just need to be restarted. Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#1.18 issues for some of the other issues that have been discovered and to report any functionality changes that you may discover. --Allen3 talk 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Pinned down one issue: namespaces in the XML returned by the Mediawiki API. This appears (at a very quick glance) to be crippling at least DYKUpdateBot and DYKHousekeepingBot, and might also be affecting DYKcheck. Looking into it, but Mondays and Wednesdays are relatively busy, so I may not be able to dedicate more time to this until the evening. Shubinator (talk) 13:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
And it looks like they've also changed how login works. *sigh* Shubinator (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

One 1.18 difference for IE9 (that you mentioned on Village Pump) is due to Bugzilla:15461 being fixed in 1.18, but it looks like you uncovered a bug here — ☠MarkAHershberger☣ (talk) 00:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it :) Shubinator (talk) 03:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The bot updated on 6 October (around midday UTC) but not around 0 am 7 October. I saw some temporal server problems through other processes around that time. Materialscientist (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The original Mediawiki change that crippled the bots yesterday was rolled back today (bugzilla:24781), effectively killing the bots again. Fixing... Shubinator (talk) 06:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. Hopefully they won't revert the revert of the breaking change... Shubinator (talk) 06:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

File:2205grec.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:2205grec.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

No need to go through FFD; I've deleted it. Shubinator (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot: nompage parameter[edit]

Hi, sorry everyone's always asking so much of you, but here I go again....

I had assumed that DYKUpdateBot used the |subpage= parameter of {{DYKmake}} to generate the |nompage= parameter in the {{DYK talk}} on the article's talk page.

But then I wasn't sure if that's what the bot does, and came here to check your talk page, but the only thing I found was a request that the bot ignore that parameter.

If you're already aware of this situation, I apologize for bothering you. In any case, thanks for all of your hard work! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the WT:DYK archives and the templates' diffs, the nompage links are added auto-magically by {{dyktalk}} and {{DYKmake}}. I remember talking about this with Rjanag; see #Talkpage tagging by DYKUpdateBot. If DYKmake and DYKnom are tweaked to support the nompage parameter, I can make a similar change to DYKUpdateBot to propagate the change. (No promises on how long that'll take though...) Shubinator (talk) 00:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
{{DYKmake}} shouldn't require any modification, and {{DYKnom}} isn't relevant here. {{NewDYKnom}} already adds a subpage parameter to DYKmake when the subpage name differs from the article name, but it only does so for the first article; so I think the only change required would be for NewDYKnom to add the subpage parameter whenever needed for all articles of a multi-nom. Then, when the subpage parameter is present, the bot would add it (prefixed with "Template:Did you know nominations/") as the nompage parameter for {{DYK talk}}. It may also be desirable to include nompage even when the subpage name is the same as the article name. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 02:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You're right; I thought the code in {{DYKmake}} displayed an error message if three parameters were passed to it, but it looks like the error message only pops up if they're unnamed parameters. Yeah, in my opinion the nompage parameter should either exist everywhere or nowhere. Shubinator (talk) 02:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Done; if a DYKmake template has the subpage parameter, DYKUpdateBot will propagate it to the nompage parameter in the corresponding {{dyktalk}}. Shubinator (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

12:00, 6 November 2011 update for DYKUpdateBot[edit]

Has something happened to the DYK bots? As noted at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Main page update on 6 Nov, at 12:00UTC, DYKUpdateBot missed the last scheduled update and the last update by DYKHousekeepingBot was at 06:33 (UTC). --Allen3 talk 12:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Lesson One by Frederick Hammersley.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Lesson One by Frederick Hammersley.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

00:00, 10 November 2011 update for DYKUpdateBot[edit]

Looks like another communications hiccup may have occurred. DYKUpdateBot missed the 00:00, 10 November 2011 update and DYKHousekeepingBot has not made any updates despite several new DYK nominations having been submitted a couple hours ago. --Allen3 talk 00:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Bots restarted. Toolserver maintenance was today; the servers were all rebooted. I checked on the bots around 7 hours ago, saw them running, and mistakenly thought the maintenance window had passed without willow being rebooted. My bad. Shubinator (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Is DYKHousekeepingBot out on strike?[edit]

It seems that DYKHousekeepingBot hasn't updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in more than 24 hours... --Orlady (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks like the bot was having connection issues. I've restarted the bot. Thanks for letting me know :) Shubinator (talk) 06:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The bot missed the update of 00:00 UTC 29 December, but apparently self-recovered after that. Materialscientist (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like another connection issue. If this keeps happening I'll try to get a more descriptive error description. (And yeah, the auto-reset kicked in.) Shubinator (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

You forgot to give me credit for 1877 U. S. Patent Office fire[edit]

DYKUpdateBot (talk | contribs)‎ (Article appeared on DYK on 3 January 2012, adding {{dyktalk}}) You gave it to my two co-contributors, but apparently I've been overlooked. Please help. 7&6=thirteen () 16:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

As the bot claimed The username '7&#38;6&#61;thirteen' is invalid, I've issued the credit. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 19:08, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Don't bother making the template happy, at the end of the day it's the bot that should read the username and article title correctly. Currently the bot doesn't attempt to "unescape" any HTML encoding found in the username (so if you escape characters in the username, the bot won't parse correctly). Shubinator (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I tweaked the bot credit parsing code a few hours ago, and as a result the bot is more in line with how the template will parse its own parameters. So now you (or whoever cleans up the template) have a few options (see the wikitext for the first): 1) {{DYKmake|Article title|7&6=thirteen}}, 2) {{DYKmake|Article title|2=7&6=thirteen}}, or 3) {{DYKmake|Article title|7&6{{equals}}thirteen}}. In general, if the template is happy, the bot will be happy. What worked before: {{DYKmake|Article title|7&6=thirteen}} will no longer work. Shubinator (talk) 14:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Wow, you've been busy here since your return from your travels. Thanks for all of your hard work. It's great to now have something which works on the queue pages and for the bot. The escaping is done by {{NewDYKnomination}}, so unless someone figures out how to do this automatically, it'll have to be taken care of manually, which is fine since it's not a frequent problem. I'll add it to my regular DYK gnome routine. Note, however, that option 1, in which the "=" is replaced with "&#61;", does not fully work; click on "give":
Article7&6=thirteen (give) (tag)
MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) Glancing at the {{NewDYKnomination}} code, it doesn't look like the template does anything special with substitution, which means it's the subst itself that's doing it. Huh, it looks like the URL is escaping the escaped HTML on option 1, which leads to gibberish (since the other end only unescapes once)...yeah, best to go with option 2 or 3. Shubinator (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Your input is needed on the SOPA initiative[edit]

Hi Shubinator,

You are receiving this message either because you expressed an opinion about the proposed SOPA blackout before full blackout and soft blackout were adequately differentiated, or because you expressed general support without specifying a preference. Please ensure that your voice is heard by clarifying your position accordingly.

Thank you.

Message delivered as per request on ANI. -- The Helpful Bot 16:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Done. Shubinator (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Please design/implement some solution for the DYK bot to stop updating during the SOPA blackout (5:00 UTC 18 Jan - 5:00 UTC 19 Jan) and recover after that. We can surely do something to the queue, so that the bot will not update it for technical reasons (rmv --hooks-- line, etc.), but I don't know other technical details which may actually logout the bot during the blackout. Materialscientist (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Replied on WT:DYK. No need to panic, I'll take care of it :) Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I am rather curious about the technical details of the blackout (i.e. what other bot-wise damage to expect after it's over). Haven't see anything yet (though haven't looked much either :-). Materialscientist (talk) 06:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
The only postings I've seen is this. I'll go post on the Bot owners' noticeboard... Shubinator (talk) 06:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK talk date parameter[edit]

I've edited {{DYK talk}} such that the whole date can be entered as one parameter so we can write e.g.

{{dyktalk|19 January 2012|entry=... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?}}

instead of

{{dyktalk|19 January|2012|entry=... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?}}

(of course,

{{dyktalk|19 January 2012|... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?}}

would also work). JIMp talk·cont 23:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. Are you suggesting the bot should use the single-parameter date format? Shubinator (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it seems simpler (of course, it is only a pipe vs a space but ...). JIMp talk·cont 16:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I'll leave the bot as-is for now. There's nearly no benefit to changing how the bot does things, plus the old templates (that have already been placed) aren't going to be switched to this format. Shubinator (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

00:00 20 January 2012 (UTC) update[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdateBot did not perform the 00:00 20 January 2012 (UTC) update and provided nothing at User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors indicating a problem preventing the update. I known that there were some database problems around 16:00 or 17:00 on the 19th that affected both the English and French Wikipedias, so connectivity issues may have confused it. Based upon past performance the bot's normal recovery code should have it back by the 08:00 update. If you get a chance, please check the bot to insure no other issues. --Allen3 talk 00:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like willow (the Toolserver server that hosts both bots) was rebooted, since the two bot processes aren't running and there's nothing in the logs that would suggest the bot ran into something unusual. I've started up both bots again. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 01:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Unusual activity by DYKHousekeepingBot[edit]

FYI,

Not sure what it means but during its 15:30 3 February 2012 update DYKHousekeepingBot essentially blanked the contents of Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Time for two subsequent updates has passed and the bot has not self corrected, so this does not appear to be a transient communications issue. When you get a chance please take a look to see if this is an issue on the toolserver or if some type of formatting error has been inserted at Template talk:Did you know, or one if its transcluded subpages, that is causing this unusual behavior. --Allen3 talk 16:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The bot is producing the correct output on my machine. If it doesn't update at 17:30 UTC I'll restart the bot on Toolserver. Shubinator (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
That worked. I'm puzzled as to what caused the issue, especially since I couldn't see it in action... Shubinator (talk) 17:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Edits to America in the King Years[edit]

Hi - Could you stop back over at the talk page for this article? I don't understand the rationale for at least one of your edits. KConWiki (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 02:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

White Horse Pagoda, Dunhuang[edit]

Thank you so much for pointing out that my self-nomination of this article was incomplete. I have tried to follow the guidelines properly and hope they are now complete. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 22:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) The nomination looks fairly complete; a reviewer should stop by within the next week or two. Shubinator (talk) 03:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Shubinator,


My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 05:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot[edit]

was posting odd errors, perhaps due to server problems, and failed to update around 8am UTC on 12 February. Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yep, looks like connectivity issues, but worse than usual. DYKUpdateBot auto-recovered and I've restarted DYKHousekeepingBot. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Same problem around 8am UTC on 14 February. I notice the servers are not doing well these days, especially around this time and a few hours later. Materialscientist (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
This time it looks like the servers themselves were rebooted. Odd. Anyways, I've (re)started both bots. Shubinator (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I saw in my watchlist that Orlady has updated manually, i.e., the bot missed the update around 16:00 17 Feb. Materialscientist (talk) 23:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver was going through hardware maintenance, so they probably rebooted willow again. Both bots back online. Shubinator (talk) 07:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The bot did not complete the update of 8am UTC on 3 March. I known the recent wikimedia update crippled (not completely crashed) some scripts and templates. Please check what you can. Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's Day![edit]

Happy Valentine's Day! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 10:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Scrumptious! Shubinator (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Shubinator,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

16:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC) updaate by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI,

DYKUpdateBot did not perform its scheduled 16:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC) update. If you get a chance, please take a look to see if there are any outstanding issues. --Allen3 talk 17:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Willow (the server DYKUpdateBot runs on) ran out of memory. Bot restarted. (Sorry for the delay, in the middle of hosting a multi-day event.) Shubinator (talk) 23:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK 4th March 2012[edit]

William Bloomfield Douglas is cited has having a DYK entry on 4th March, however, it does not appear on the DYK recent additions list. Shipsview (talk) 11:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The Recent additions page lists them by the time (UTC) they were removed from the DYK template. The Douglas hook appears in the last set under 5 March. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Yup, Mandarax is right. Thanks Mandarax! Shubinator (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you - must have been inside the time lapse. Shipsview (talk) 11:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK update bot failed[edit]

to update at 0 UTC 10 March (and I missed that too, Orlady updated manually). Materialscientist (talk) 04:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Some other bot functions are also not getting done. Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count has not updated in several hours. --Orlady (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Willow (the Toolserver server) got rebooted unexpectedly around 9 hours ago. Hopefully Toolserver maintenance this week will fix these issues... (Oh, and I've restarted both bots.) Shubinator (talk) 06:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

DYKcheck and page moves[edit]

DYKcheck appears to no longer detect moves from userspace. I assume this is because the format of the edit summary when making a move has changed. The edit summary used to be in the form "moved oldfilename to newfilename[: reason]" and now it's "Username moved page oldfilename to newfilename[: reason]". DYK reviewers often miss such moves, so DYKcheck pointing them out is quite useful. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 09:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yup, that would do it. I'll try to fix it by Monday. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Fixed. Sorry for the delay, unexpected stuff came up this weekend. Thanks again :) Shubinator (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that. Now I have a related request. It would be nice if DYKcheck could also handle moves from Articles for creation. For example, a user initially disapproved an article, stating that it was "over 104 days old". This surely indicates that he did use DYKcheck, which does not mention the page move. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable, I'll put it on my to-do list. Shubinator (talk) 00:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK bot apparently failed[edit]

A DYK update was due 10 minutes ago, but the bot hasn't shown up yet. Can you kick it to make it happen? (Otherwise, we can do a manual update.) --Orlady (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Doing... Shubinator (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Done. Bot's output doesn't show anything unusual...it just seems to have stopped working... Shubinator (talk) 19:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much! Your bot work is wonderful. I'm afraid we take it for granted until something stops working. --Orlady (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks :) Yeah, it's doing a good job of being an "invisible hand", and something goes wrong often enough that the regulars know the bot exists :P Shubinator (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
The bot is stuck again! Please re-start. Thanks. --70.31.8.76 (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Doing. Shubinator (talk) 15:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Done. Looks like Toolserver connectivity issues again... Shubinator (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey[edit]

Peace dove.svg

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite


Hello Shubinator. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

Please click HERE to participate.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.


You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 02:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot has stopped work[edit]

No updates to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in the last 18-19 hours. --Orlady (talk) 14:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Restarted. Looks like willow ran out of memory... Shubinator (talk) 14:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It's happened again. No action in the last 8 hours. --Orlady (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Restarted. This time looks like connectivity issues between Toolserver and Wikipedia. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 04:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

George Rathmann[edit]

With this recent death of this native Milwaukeean, I found the impulse to create a stub about him irresistible. I hope you will have a look and help improve it, since you've worked on ICOS. There are several articles online about him, as well as an extensive oral history interview (not, alas, online). --Orange Mike | Talk 14:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! I'd thought of creating the article before, but didn't find the time. I'll keep it on my radar :) Shubinator (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot error[edit]

There's a DYK entry on the main page right now for Feizi, which I created, but the DYKUpdateBot for some reason did not add a DYK notice on the article talk page or give DYK credit on the user talk page, as it normally does. Could you please check it out? Thanks! --Zanhe (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like your DYK credit disappeared as collateral damage when hooks were being swapped around (by a human). I'll add the credits. Shubinator (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it so quickly! --Zanhe (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

DYKCheck[edit]

Thanks for making DYKCheck. It is awesome, and so, by extension, are you. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you :) Shubinator (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Germans[edit]

Hi. I found an error in the article (see photo). Copernicus was not a German, he was from Poland. --Top811 my talk —Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC).

DYKHousekeepingBot might be stuck[edit]

The last update was over four hours ago, and new hooks have been added to the nominations page in the interim, and I believe an approval or two (though I can't be sure about that). Does the bot need to be given a nudge to get going again? Thanks as always for your help (and for that bot!). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot stuck?[edit]

The queue should have been updated 50 minutes ago, but wasn't. Hadn't realized that when I added the above note. Maybe both bots need restarting? Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm away from my computer at the moment, so I can't access the Toolserver. I'll be back at my computer in around and hour or two and will restart both bots then. Sorry for the delay :( Shubinator (talk) 17:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know. I've posted a status update to the DYK talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Important note: as of not quite 15 minutes ago at 18:14 (UTC), the contents of Queue 5 were manually copied to the main page. However, the queue also remains in place—it has not been cleared—and no updates/notifications have been sent out. Please tread carefully when starting up the queue! Another admin may have come along in the interim, or things may remain as I describe them. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I have manually done the notifications on article talk pages, but I can't figure out how to give the credits to nominators and article writers/expanders. I have updated the Template:Did You Know clock, but I seem to have messed that up. It's showing 00:00 instead of 16:00. Stopping now before I make more of a mess. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Cool, sounds good. Just got back to my computer, so I can fix anything that needs fixing. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
And there we go, everything's back to normal :) Shubinator (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Great! Thank you so very much! It's such a relief to see everything as it ought. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Rejected DYK: Twinings[edit]

Thanks for that. My enquiry about DYK noms where the nom process had not been completed was largely ignored. How many other untranscluded noms have slipped through? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

A decent few. I'm doing what the bot does to find old noms; taking the noms here, discarding the ones that are still on T:TDYK, and evaluating the rest for rejection. Yeah, the bot intentionally doesn't reject old noms, and there's no official process for cleaning them out. Occasionally someone goes through; I know Rjanag did a pass when the bot was going through BRfA. Shubinator (talk) 16:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Possible Queue 6 late substitution or addition[edit]

You an administrator who is quite active at WP:DYK, so I wanted to call your attention to a particularly timely hook for the next queue Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Possible_Queue_6_late_substitution_or_addition. You may want to make a late addition or substitution.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Engvar[edit]

Hi Shub. Some time ago you were asked to apply an editprotected template at the U2 article. It is evident that there has been some misunderstanding as another English variant had been used at this page, as evidenced from the template still at the article TP. However the misunderstanding arose, the consensus seems in favour of restoring the former variant and replacing the current template. Perhaps you would care to comment at Talk:U2#Flagcruft. Regards. RashersTierney (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 01:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. RashersTierney (talk) 10:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

DYKCheck option, perhaps[edit]

Is there an option that can be added to the individual user's .js script that would enable DYKCheck to specifically check for inline citations for all paragraphs in an article? That is to say, that if an entire paragraph had no citations, the checker would put that in its summary? Maile66 (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Replied at WT:DYK. Sorry for the delay; I was traveling and had less Internet access than I'd hoped. Shubinator (talk) 05:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot failed to update 2 hours ago[edit]

Hi: I looked at the template for Queue 5 and removed characters amidst the admin's signature, but I don't see anything in the bot's contribs indicating it has sent out a distress call and I have no idea how these things work, including whether what I found was the problem. Hoping you are online ... Yngvadottir (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Looking into it. Shubinator (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Both bots back online. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot seems to be down[edit]

At least, if it's the one that updates the list of total DYK nominations and approved DYK nominations. It appears to have made its last update on Saturday, June 23 at 12:55 UTC.

Thanks for anything you can do to get it going again. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I've started the bot up again. Looks like more connectivity difficulties between Toolserver and Wikipedia... Shubinator (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! Good to have it back. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's down again, after a week of good service. Last update was Monday, July 2 at 21:12 UTC. Given the problems that Wikipedia has had today in terms of availability, I'm not surprised about any connectivity difficulties. Fortunately, DYKUpdateBot was still working at the subsequent midnight (UTC) update. Thanks in advance for getting it running again. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I've started it back up again. Yeah, looks like connectivity issues. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 04:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. Selfish reason on my part: it saves me time to see which dates have approved DYK noms, since there are so few right now (17 of 191 total). So thank you for starting it up! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 04:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

GA bot[edit]

Hi Shubinator. Viriditas suggested I ask your opinion on creating a way to track Good article reviews. I have already started a conersation at User talk:Scottywong#Tools for good articles. If you can help out that would be great. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 11:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have enough spare time at the moment to take on a new project. Shubinator (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Could DYK script add support for AfC?[edit]

Could your DYK check script be tweaked so that if an article was moved from a page starting with "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/" within the last five days it would show as eligible for DYK (assuming it met the other requirements)? And the same thing for one being moved from the User: namespace (if it doesn't have this function already). David1217 What I've done 03:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The script already checks for moves from userspace. It shouldn't be difficult to tweak it to encompass AfC as well; I'll try to get to it in the next few days. Shubinator (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! David1217 What I've done 06:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Done. The AfC move check shares the same limitations as the existing userspace move check; the script will delve into the history 100 revisions to hunt for a move. If, for example, the article has been edited 150 times after the move but is still eligible for DYK, the nominator should mention that. Shubinator (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! (I had also previously requested this above). MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 04:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
*facepalm* Sorry, with all the mayhem in the past few months it slipped my mind... Shubinator (talk) 04:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely no need to apologize. It was definitely not urgent. And you've done so much to help DYK! I can barely even imagine how DYK could work without your tools and bots. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 04:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 04:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Kiev Pechersk Lavra (General).jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Kiev Pechersk Lavra (General).jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Moonsault Scramble (Fuji-Q Highland).jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Moonsault Scramble (Fuji-Q Highland).jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The image was deleted on Commons [4], thus I deleted what remained of it here. Materialscientist (talk) 09:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Detecting DYK image protection[edit]

Have a look here. The claim is DYK bot doesn't properly detect image protection. I'm not 100% sure it is correct, as the images in question were cascade protected when I've got to them. Materialscientist (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Replied there. By this point the bot often (correctly) sees things I don't, so I'm inclined to trust it. Allowing unprotected images on the main page is a serious issue though, so if it is happening, hopefully I can get some more specifics and fix it. Shubinator (talk) 03:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot looks to be confused[edit]

Earlier today there was an outage of the Wikimedia servers (#wikimedia-tech was reporting a fiber cut affecting the Tampa data center). Apparently the corrective actions involved some DNS updates to bypass the affected physical network links. DYKUpdateBot does not appear to be fully functional at the moment and probably needs to either be restarted or otherwise forced to perform another DNS looks to update its network connection to the servers in Tampa. --Allen3 talk 16:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. The bot log is showing connectivity issues for the 16:00 update, but the bot reset itself after your manual update. Looks like everything's back to normal. Shubinator (talk) 03:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

More bot trouble[edit]

Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count has not been updated for several hours. Does ‎DYKHousekeepingBot need a swift kick in the backside? --Orlady (talk) 05:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. Sorry for the delay; I should've checked on DYKHousekeepingBot while I was looking into DYKUpdateBot... Shubinator (talk) 03:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Step 3 of the DYN nomination procedure[edit]

  • Yes check.svg Done I put {{Template:Did you know nominations/Gelindo Bordin}} under the date at the top of the section;
  • Yes check.svg Done And now, I put the same template in the article talk page.

What's still missing? --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like there was a mix-up on the noms page where the August 11th Olympics section was accidentally deleted. Orlady fixed it. Shubinator (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for cognitive vulnerability[edit]

Hey! This nomination template has been looked over and since the reviewer suggested a hook, ONLY THE HOOK needs to be looked over by another new reviewer. The rest of the article has been surely taken care of. If you have the time to just check it out, please do so. Thanks. Khyati Gupta (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Americium.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Americium.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Bowery Theatre, New York City.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Bowery Theatre, New York City.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot bug[edit]

DYKUpdateBot isn't recognising redirected pages; see [5]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it became broken a while ago. I've fixed it and restarted the bot. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:First Class Restaurant of the SS Kaiser Wilhelm II.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:First Class Restaurant of the SS Kaiser Wilhelm II.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Sphaeromimus.JPG[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Sphaeromimus.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot failed to update 1 hour ago[edit]

Hi Shubinator, I hope you are around ... the bot did not update, and I can't see any mistake with my use of the formula this time (which isn't to say there isn't one). I will update the Main Page manually. Eek! Help, please! Yngvadottir (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

The required image protection was not performed. The problem was reported at User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors in a 14:05 (UTC) message from the bot. The bot's refusal to load an unprotected image is an intentional feature to prevent vandals from sneaking inappropriate images on to the Main page. --Allen3 talk 17:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Allen3's correct. Looks like the image is still unprotected, and now on the Main Page. I'll run over and protect it. Shubinator (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
[edit conflict] I see. Before doing the manual update, I had checked and seen cascade protection listed on the image page, but then I remembered the bot errors page and saw that edit; only the bot overwrote it after the scheduled update time with an error message about the image for the next queue. In case the bot had merely moved on to the next scheduled update rather than rechecking and seeing that cascade protection had belatedly happened, I left a panicky message on PumpkinSky's talkpage and he protected the image at Commons. It turns out my suspicion was correct and the bot overwrites error messages without their having become no longer valid. Eek. I think I need to look at an example to see what cascade protection actually looks like when it has happened. In case this happens again and I am again the first one to notice. But it would be nice if the error messages were not overwritten but became a list if earlier ones were still valid. ......... I thought PumpkinSky protected it on Commons?! Yngvadottir (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Not quite true. If the bot encounters errors during crediting (or in general during the update), it will wipe the error later even if it hasn't been resolved. If the bot encounters an error in its pre-update checks, it will wait until the error has been resolved. Let's go through this update step-by-step.
  • File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was the image in queue 2. Half an hour before the update, DYKUpdateBot performed its pre-update checks, and noticed the image in the next set (queue 2) wasn't protected. It then edited /Errors.
  • You noticed the bot hadn't updated, and manually updated DYK. During this process, you changed Template:Did you know/Queue/Next since the next set is now queue 3.
  • The bot then performed a pre-update check after you had changed the next queue number but before you had reset the time. So the bot did a pre-update check on queue 3, then spat out an error about the queue 3 image.
  • You then left a message on PumpkinSky's talk page about the bot's error messages. He went over to /Errors, saw the error message about the image in queue 3, and protected the image in queue 3 at Commons. However, he didn't realize the image that was in queue 2 (and now on the Main Page) was also unprotected.
Long story short the bot doesn't validate DYK sets *already on the Main Page*, only the next set. Hopefully that was clear...let me know if you have questions. (Oh, and if you want to see what cascade protection looks like, head over to File:Păstorel postcard.jpg; I didn't manually protect it.) Shubinator (talk) 19:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there was another element of confusion: the cascade protection for File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was delayed. This is a known issue, but unlikely to be fixed any time soon (it's in the Mediawiki code). I'm guessing File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was listed at Commons:Auto-protected files/wikipedia/en, which is why you thought it was cascade protected. Cascade protection can take a while to kick in though. How do you tell if an image is actually cascade-protected? Try to edit it. If it's cascade-protected, you'll see a pink warning message. And trust the bot when it says an image isn't protected. Worst case scenario, the bot is wrong, and you wasted a few minutes by manually protecting it. Best case scenario, the bot is right, and you didn't put an unprotected file on the Main Page. (And I haven't seen it be wrong about image protection in a *long* time.) Shubinator (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I was going to say; I was aware cascade protection is often delayed, but I was acting over an hour after the update should have happened. And asked PumpkinSky after I'd seen he had fixed the Queue 3 image on Commons (hence it was likely he was still editing and would see my message). OK, next time I will try to edit it. I've been going by whether it says cascadeprotection. Thanks again - my fault, no question about it. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
No worries; no harm done. If a Commons admin isn't around, you can upload a copy of the image to English Wikipedia under the same filename and manually protect it here. Shubinator (talk) 19:19, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Caylua.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Caylua.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Zmajski most-Ljubljana.JPG[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Zmajski most-Ljubljana.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot seems to be stalled[edit]

The bot hasn't run in the past two hours, despite article promotions and the like that occurred during the period that should have triggered a revised list of numbers of approved hooks per date. Can you please give it a tap to get it going again? Many thanks. (I know we don't say this often enough, but thank you so much for the bot and the listings it provides: it's a wonderful thing to have.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Away from my computer :( But I'll start it up once I'm back. And it's good to know the bots are appreciated :) Shubinator (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Whenever you get back to your computer will be great. The timing is what it is. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Done :) Shubinator (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The bot appears to have stopped right after the new day began (according to UTC, that is). It may or may not have something to do with the end of summer time in Europe, but it has been over four hours since the last update. Many thanks for anything you can do to get the bot back to work. (Did it sneak out to do some early trick or treating?) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

And three minutes later, it ran. Of course, it could be that there was just no activity to cause the thing to wake up in those four hours. If that's the case, my apologies for the false alarm. Either way, it's great to have a new list of available approved hooks by day... BlueMoonset (talk) 04:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, the bot log shows the bot didn't find anything new to report. No worries :) Shubinator (talk) 05:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

No plots[edit]

Hello,

could you add a bot function that ignores the plot summary? There was a consensus on WT:DYK that plot should not be counted. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 15:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The claimed consensus is premature; please do not do this until there is actually consensus. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Replied at WT:DYK. From my perspective as a DYK-er, in the past reviewers have exercised their own judgment on article length, so it wasn't much of an issue. If the plot section looked normal, good; if it looked bloated, the reviewer would ask the nominator to balance out the article. Reviewers can (and should) still exercise their own judgment on article length. Shubinator (talk) 02:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:SS Konigin Luise.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:SS Konigin Luise.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Vitruvian Barnstar Hires.png The Technical Barnstar
For creating and maintaining DYKHousekeeperBot, which has twice now reminded me that I failed to transclude a DYK nomination after going to the trouble of working it up, I award you this barnstar and my thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Cool, thank you! I'm always happy to know my bots are appreciated :) Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK Check and footnotes[edit]

I just noticed that the text in a footnote does not get counted for DYK when it is formatted like

{{efn|An explanation of a point that will appear as a footnote}}
...
{{notes}}

See South Bastion, Gibraltar for an example. I am not sure if that is right or wrong. Is it deliberate or accidental? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not deliberate per se, but it makes sense given what counts as prose and what doesn't. Lists, quotes, and references don't count as prose, and footnotes are similar. Shubinator (talk) 14:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
In this example the text could have been placed instream within parentheses, in which case it would have counted as readable prose. I suppose it is a borderline distinction.[a] No problem. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  1. ^ The decision to put a chunk of text in a footnote presumably indicates that the author does not think it is central to the article.
Yeah, it's borderline, like lists. In some cases it's unclear whether a chunk of text would be better in a list or not. At the end of the day it's up to the reviewer; we've had articles under 1500 promoted and over 1500 rejected. Shubinator (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot has not performed an update since 11:44, November 23, 2012 (UTC)[edit]

Looks like DYKHousekeepingBot has had a hiccup. Could you perform a reset at your next convenience? --Allen3 talk 00:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Looks like generic connection issues. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 00:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Why?[edit]

I am the nominator of Brand New Me DYK as you can see there. Why I wasn't informed that the DYK made on the main page? — Tomíca(T2ME) 16:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Your creator template was removed, but it was not replaced with a nominator credit for you. I've now placed a nomination credit on your talk page. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Mandarax! Shubinator (talk) 02:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Again, this is not the real hook. I guess you have to change it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks like that's the hook on the main page. What's the real hook? Shubinator (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
This says into the nomination itself. I don't know what really happened actually. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Going through the history, the hook was changed while it was in prep 1. Shubinator (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Can' believe it. Who did that? What was wrong with the previous one? -_- — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Gatoclass did, you'll have to ask him. Keep in mind hooks are often tweaked while waiting to go live on the main page. Shubinator (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Eugene Turenne Gregorie[edit]

The bot missed crediting me for the DYK. It came late in the process. Please assist. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 02:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not a bot issue. Whoever added you forgot to also create a DYKmake template for you within the nomination template. Without that template, the bot did what it was supposed to do. It isn't enough to be added to that created/expanded line. I'm not sure who's responsible for that: the person who originally added you, the person who promoted the hook to a prep area, or the person who sets up the queue when moving the prep area to the queue. One of them is ultimately responsible for putting that credit on your talk page, probably the admin who set up the queue. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and credited you. However, judging by this edit, you had left that decision up to the promoting admin, and the promoting admin did not add in a credit for you. Granted, there's a high chance the promoting admin didn't read that comment in the first place. Shubinator (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Carl Breer[edit]

DYKUpdateBot (talk | contribs)‎ (Giving DYK credit for Carl Breer on behalf of Graeme Bartlett) he bot missed crediting me for the DYK. It came late in the process. Please assist. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 02:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

As BlueMoonset explained above, this is not a bot issue. This edit shows you left the decision up to the promoter. If you'd like to pursue this further, ask the editor who promoted the article (who in this case is BlueMoonset). Shubinator (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
This one made me uncomfortable at the time: not only was the reviewer proposing and approving an ALT hook, which is completely against the rules (no one is allowed to approve their own hook), but had made a veritable avalanche of edits before, during, and after the review. In this case, I thought it was a borderline conflict of interest, which is one reason I went with the original hook, spent extra time doing promotion doublechecks, and why I wasn't enthusiastic about adding a DYKmake template under the circumstances, despite a habit of giving a considerable amount of deference to the article's creator. Under the circumstances, I think I'm going to let the credit stand as issued: to the original creator only. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The article creator thought it appropriate, perhaps due to the "avalanche" of edits. The promoter didn't. I recognize the conflict issue. The article deserved promotion, and was well documented and worthwhile. ALT 1 was also a far better alternative hook that was amply supported by the on line WP:RS, something that you thought not worthwhile. I was trying to work off an obligation to do 30 DYK reviews, and continue to do that. I expected you to use your judgment and discretion. I defer to the promoter. No worries. 7&6=thirteen () 13:05, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the bot is sleeping – both bots![edit]

It's been a few hours since the bot last updated, and since I've approved at least one hook in the interim, it ought to have caught that. Can you wake it up and get it back on line? Many thanks, Shubinator. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Shubinator, I should have been clear: when I initially posted, I thought it was only DYKHousekeepingBot, but it's DYKUpdateBot as well, which missed an update about 50 minutes ago and I didn't notice at the time. I'm much more worried about the latter than the former, so please check that first. Hope you're around and can see this soon!!! Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I've brought both bots back online. Sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for awakening them and giving them breakfast. :-) Materialscientist did a manual update a couple of hours late, but now no one will need to be around for the next one, and the bot will tell us if no one has promoted a prep to queue, which is happening more often than I like these days. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
No problem, thank you for letting me know :) Over the past few months I've had a bit more time on my hands, so I may be able to help out more. We'll see... Shubinator (talk)

Can you set the DYKUpdateBot to run only twice a day starting now?[edit]

Shubinator, I think we need to go to twice-a-day DYK sets from thrice-a-day DYK sets—every 12 hours from every 8 hours. Is there anything I need to do from my end (I'm not an admin, so my options are limited), or can you handle it all from there?

We've just had Orlady do a (late) emergency queue-and-main page load because admins are very thin on the ground, we have 22 approved hooks to fill 48 empty slots, and I've done 12 of the last 13 or 14 prep sets myself. Under the circumstances, I have no qualms whatever about asking for the change until we can get approvals up and more regular attention from admins.

By the way, if you can, please also clear out Queue 3, which is the source of the hooks currently on the main page (and that will be there until 11:04 UTC). Incidentally, if you want to change 11:04 UTC to 12:00 UTC so the two-a-day sets start running at noon and midnight UTC, please be my guest.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your help, and hope this gets to you in time to implement. If not, I may have to shift around some prep sets: I'm going to be building the new ones to the new schedule. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Adding: bet you didn't think I'd take you up on your offer to help out quite so soon... ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

And I should probably make it clear, though I suspect you've figured it out: while Orlady adjusted the times, she doesn't seem to have updated the queues: it's Prep 2, which needs to be moved into Queue 4, that's the one that should update at 11:04 or 12:00. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Final update: queues were updated, sort of: Queue 3 got cleared out so it no longer had what was on the main page, but then got reloaded with Prep 2. So there is a queue loaded with new hooks and ready for the bot to pick up, just not the queue number I expected would be. Let me know whether you have succeeded in changing the frequency. We now have 19 approved hooks to fill 42 empty slots, which is not much of an improvement; I've built the two prep sets so they should work with the new two-a-day frequency. Thanks for your patience. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Done, I've made the change to 12-hour updates. I left queue 3 as-is; no need to reshuffle just to maintain the queue sequence numbers. And I've also adjusted the timing to fall on noon and midnight UTC :) Shubinator (talk) 07:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
You're great. Thank you so much. Now to do something about this insomnia... BlueMoonset (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Oper frankton mina-limpet.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Oper frankton mina-limpet.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 13:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot back to three times a day starting with the next queue at 00:00?[edit]

Shubinator, thanks as always for your help. The number of hooks has ballooned, so effective with the Queue 2 set which hits the main page at 00:00 January 6 UTC—and with a lead hook that needs to run starting at that time—we should go on a three-per-day (eight-hour) rotation: Queue 3 would run at 08:00 UTC and Queue 4 at 16:00 UTC. I built the prep sets that will go into those two queues assuming this will be the new timing, and the discussion about going to three a day (no one disagreed about the frequency; the big divergence was about the size of each set) is at WT:DYK#Backlog influx. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Done :) Happy New Year! Shubinator (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Happy New Year to you, too! Hope it's been a great one so far. Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Is the bot set to automatically transfer prep areas into queues? --George Ho (talk) 00:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

No. While the bot does automatically move sets from the queues to the Main page, it requires an admin to move sets from the prep areas into the queues. The prep areas are unprotected and can be edited by anyone with access to Wikipedia. While rare, vandalism and other highly questionable edits do occur to material in the prep areas from time to time. If the bot were to automatically move sets from the prep area to the queues it would be possible for a vandalized set to continue to the Main page before anyone noticed. Such a system would almost certainly increase the amount of vandalism seen in the prep areas as the potential "benefit" for a vandal would increase due to the possible lack of a responsible human performing a basic sanity check before a set reaches the Main page. --Allen3 talk 00:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK Update bot time error?[edit]

Shubinator, the bot didn't update at midnight UTC; there's an error showing up on User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors that says "Time at Template:Did you know/Next update/Time is not formatted correctly". Since the bot made the changes to the file its own self, I have no idea what's wrong. I'm going to paste a similar request on WT:DYK, but if you see this and can fix this, many blessings on your camels. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

We're set for the moment: Materialscientist did a manual update of the queue a couple of minutes after I posted the above. Mind, I have no idea why the bot balked in the first place, so it may still be worth investigating; you'll know your bot better than me. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I spoke too soon: DYKHousekeepingBot seems to be out of commission. The last update was at 21:45, and although I promoted five templates between 00:29 and 00:42, none of them had showed up by 01:05, which is odd as the bot updates every half hour, which would have meant an update at around 00:45, three hours after the previous update, even if there hadn't been new templates added to T:TDYK, which there had been (plus the new day). So, if you can take a look around and tell the Housekeeping bot that break time's over, we would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Both bots were axed by connection issues to Wikipedia's servers. The "not formatted correctly" error message means the page that DYKUpdateBot is seeing is malformed; this almost always indicates connection issues instead of the time page itself being malformed. DYKUpdateBot's code is more resilient, so it has recovered correctly. I've started up DYKHousekeepingBot again. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for getting to it already! I appreciate knowing about the time page error being a usual indication of connection issues, and it's great to see the DYKHousekeepingBot back in action. We have the next queue already waiting for the update coming in five hours, and I'm reassured that it will happen without complications now that you've checked. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

DYKcheck and previous DYK/ITN[edit]

Hi, just a tiny DYKcheck issue... it doesn't recognize previous DYKs or ITNs when the template on the talk page has a space in it. For example, two articles currently featured on the Main Page: Holger Stromberg whose talk page has {{DYK talk}} and Sakine Cansız, with {{ITN talk}} on the talk page. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 04:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

DYKcheck tweaked. Let me know if it still doesn't work for you. (Bypass your browser cache to make sure you have the latest version of the script.) Shubinator (talk) 04:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Works fine now. Thanks for the quick tweak! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 07:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Balthazar Castiglione, by Raffaello Sanzio, from C2RMF retouched.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Balthazar Castiglione, by Raffaello Sanzio, from C2RMF retouched.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot: Wikipedia front page shows an old revision of the DYK section[edit]

Hi! I've already posted about this at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 10#Wikipedia_front_page_backlog and Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Huge backlog. I think you should shut up the DYKUpdateBot cause no one sees the updates anyway. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

My talk page isn't the proper forum for this; WT:DYK is. Shubinator (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I couldn't find the place. I'm posting there now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Shubinator. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Sultans Elephant-Rocket.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:The Sultans Elephant-Rocket.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot has stopped housekeeping[edit]

Shubinator, it looks like the DYKHousekeepingBot escaped after 01:07 UTC, and hasn't been back to do an update since. (It definitely should have, too; plenty of action tonight.)

While you're at it, you might want to check the DYKUpdateBot, because the two of them sometimes slip away together. The next update is just a little over two hours away, at 08:00 UTC, and there's a queue ready to go if the bot is.

Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 05:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Update: Looks like it's just the housekeeping bot; DYKUpdateBot did the 08:00 UTC update as it was supposed to. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 10:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I've started it back up again. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the restart! Good to have a new list of what's approved on which day. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Blue marlin (Makaira nigricans) NOAA.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Blue marlin (Makaira nigricans) NOAA.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot is late[edit]

Admittedly only ten minutes late, but that's still late, and there's no sign of action, nor are there any apparent errors. Please check as soon as you can. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

MaterialScientist did a manual update, so we're set for another five hours at this point. It appears that DYKHousekeepingBot has also gone out for a drink or something, since it has stopped updating (and there are many changes it should have caught). Thanks for seeing to them both when you stop by. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I've started up both bots again. A few processes on the server they live on were accidentally killed by the admins; looks like our bots were among those processes. Because of the weirdness, the admins have scheduled a reboot for 19:05 UTC. Combined with my schedule, this means that DYKUpdateBot will miss the February 12 00:00 UTC update, but I should be able to start up both bots by 08:00. Shubinator (talk) 05:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll be online for the 00:00 UTC update, thus no worries. Would someone please ping me on my talk if I forget, which is quite possible :-). Materialscientist (talk) 05:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Both bots are online and everything's back to normal. Thanks guys! Shubinator (talk) 06:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Notification of discussion[edit]

A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 22:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:John Henry Fuseli - The Nightmare.JPG[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:John Henry Fuseli - The Nightmare.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Sfan, would you check pages for vandalism before nominating them? Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 23:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dipali Barthakur[edit]

In reply to Incomplete DYK nomination.

Could you explain me what is the problem with DYK for Dipali Barthakur. After viewing the step 3 of the nomination procedure I found nothing wrong in the nomination. As I am new to DYK chapter, a little help from you will help me to know my mistakes. Thanks. Bishnu Saikia (talk) 18:41, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The problem is that no one can see your nomination yet. Step 3 (as listed on the T:TDYK page) is taking your successfully created nomination and "transcluding" it (making it visible) on that Template Talk:Did You Know page so people can see it. Since you created the Dipali Barthakur article on April 2, go to the April 2 section on that page, and insert the line "Template:Did you know nominations/Dipali Barthakur", with two "{" before it and two "}" after it, at the top of the list of other lines that are already there (also starting and ending with those same brace characters). That will allow people to see your nomination and eventually review it. Step 3 is the key step that makes your nomination visible to everyone else. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot[edit]

failed to update at 00:00 UTC on 4 April. I haven't noticed any obvious problem with the queue 6 code (which doesn't mean there was none though :-). Materialscientist (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

  • DYKHousekeepingBot also appears to have fallen over: the last update was 14:41 on April 3 (UTC), over 12 hours ago. Anything you can do to wake the sleeping giants will be greatly appreciated. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Both bots restarted. Looks like the server they live on was rebooted, but I didn't see any emails about server maintenance. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 03:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you for restarting them! Materialscientist deserves the credit for noticing; I only noticed because the post here showed up in my Watchlist. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The bot failed at 00:00 UTC on 6 April, most likely due to server problems (toolserver applications are dead). Please check if you can restore the bot. Materialscientist (talk) 00:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Both bots are functioning normally. Judging by the logs, the server hung for around 6 hours, but now everything's back to normal. Very odd though. Shubinator (talk) 03:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Socking[edit]

Why must you continually use sock puppets ??? You do know it is against the wiki rules. 13:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC) Anon(I am not using my actual account for fear of repercussions from you as I don't want to deal with the usual abuse) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.33.42 (talk)

08:30, April 6, 2013 (UTC) update run for DYKUpdateBot[edit]

Looks like the server problems continue. The 08:30, April 6, 2013 (UTC) update was performed manually. --Allen3 talk 08:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Both bots started up again. The server was apparently rebooted at ~05:30. There's a thread on Toolserver-l about the issues everyone's been seeing; hopefully it'll be resolved soon. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 17:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Balkhash.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Balkhash.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

DYKbot again[edit]

Please restart it if possible - the bot failed to update roughly between 1 and 6 am UTC on 8 April. Some toolserver applications are not working, i.e., the servers are still unstable. Materialscientist (talk) 06:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

It's both bots: DYKHousekeepingBot's last update was 18:55 on April 7. Thanks for anything you can do! BlueMoonset (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Both bots started up again; sorry for the delay. Looks like there may be another reboot coming in the next day or two to (hopefully) fix the issues everyone's been seeing. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 06:19, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Shubinator. Just in time, too: right before the next update. I see the bot's on its 15 minute crawl to get back to the right time (adding 15 minutes in this case). I hope they let you know about the reboot so you can restart the bots fairly quickly. (It's good to have DYKHousekeepingBot working again, too.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Happy to help :) I've also been looking into moving both bots to Labs (WMF's long-term replacement for Toolserver), but Labs folks have been unresponsive, so I haven't made much headway there. It'll happen sooner or later though. Shubinator (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Velocette MAC (WD) [edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Velocette MAC (WD) , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 08:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Will this affect DYKHousekeepingBot?[edit]

Shubinator, Amberrock just changed the image used for the AGF tick: details are in her post in WT:DYK#Replaced voting templates images. Will this affect the bot's ability to detect the tick? If so, can you please comment there? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it does. I've reverted to the previous image for as long as this isn't fixed. But the new image is called File:Symbol voting keep.svg (as opposed to the current File:Pictogram voting keep.svg). Can you update the bot?—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 17:48, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Amber, is there any reason it can't be called something like "AGF voting keep"? I'd always wondered why it hadn't had AGF as part of its name, for clarity's sake. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Would this be an opportunity to update the bot to recognize the new "again" red arrow as one of the icons it should pay attention to? As far as I'm concerned, the "again" should cancel out either of ticks: if there's a reason that a new reviewer is needed, the nomination should probably not be showing up as "verified". The original version of the icon was added to five existing ones, but I don't believe there was any request at the time to have the bot be adjusted to account for it. Now that we have a new image file, it could be the time for it to be taken into consideration by the bot. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's perfectly possible for a DYK nomination to first have a bunch of red again links listed, before it is ticked or AGFticked. The bot would need to recognize that the red arrow is below the tick symbols, otherwise the point of that addition to the bot's code would be moot. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 09:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
And BlueMoonset: the first icon didn't have "AGF" in the name, because that icon was not purposely designed for the DYK process. It's part of an Creative Commons icons set that also includes plus and minus symbols - things we don't use for DYK - out of which someone handpicked the faded blue check to serve as tickAGFitem.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 09:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Currently the bot keys off of these images:
  • approved = Symbol confirmed.svg;
  • AGF approved = Pictogram voting keep.svg
  • question = Symbol question.svg
  • unlikely = Symbol possible vote.svg
  • no = Symbol delete vote.svg
It's fairly simple to change the AGF image to the new one; I can do it this weekend. As for the red again arrow, yeah, I think that's doable. The bot already has logic to "cancel out" an approved tick if an unlikely/question/no image is found below the approved. Will take a look this weekend. Shubinator (talk) 14:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your cooperation! When you do the image link change, can you quickly revert the last edit on {{DYKtickAGF}}? When that is done, I will go through T:TDYK then and change all "old" images to the new one.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 17:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────How is the polishing of the housekeeping bot's code coming along?—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, ran out of time this weekend. I'll get to it when I find time, which will hopefully be this weekend. Thanks for the reminder. Shubinator (talk) 13:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Alright, keep me posted!—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 18:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot appears to have stopped - May 3[edit]

FYI. Looks like DYKHousekeepingBot could use a restart. Last update by the bot is roughly 3 hours ago while there have been a number of changes on the nominations page since then (I removed an emptied date over an hour ago and the bot has not yet note the change). DYKUpdateBot completed the 16:00 (UTC) update without problem, so this does not appear to be a server issue. --Allen3 talk 16:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Restarted. Looks like the bot was having connectivity issues. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Behavior change for DYKHousekeepingBot[edit]

Looks like the MediaWiki changes discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Section edit links are migrating westwards have gone live. As shown by this edit, there are some formatting changes in the manner in which DYKHousekeepingBot generates Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Please add a correction to your to-do list. --Allen3 talk 20:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia server issues appear to have affected DYKUpdateBot during the 00:00, May 7, 2013 update[edit]

DYKUpdateBot appears to have stopped in the middle of the 00:00, May 7, 2013 update. About the same time the bot stopped I was receiving error messages while attempting to load pages from Wikipedia. Please check on the bot when you get a chance, it may need a restart. --Allen3 talk 00:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The recovery code must have kicked in. The 08:00 update ran without problem. --Allen3 talk 11:31, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
That is not what happened: the 08:00 update was still messed up, but someone fixed it manually.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't see what you see. A diff? Note that we traditionally use UTC at DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
This is the last update of the DYK bot before it was shut down. And this is George Ho fixing the mess.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, yes, DYKHousekeepingBot does need a fix, but DYKUpdateBot seems Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 13:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, didn't realize there were two of those. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I picked a bad night to be busy. I'll look into DYKHousekeepingBot when I have time. Will try to get it up and running before Friday. As for DYKUpdateBot, it was having connectivity issues, but the recovery code did indeed trigger, and the bot seems to be fine now. On a slightly related note, I've been thoroughly unimpressed with Labs' responsiveness (not replying to communication at all), so that's delaying bot migration from Toolserver to Labs. Thanks everyone. Shubinator (talk) 02:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK bot error[edit]

Hi Shubinator. I've just had Inclosure Act 1773 appear on the front page, however I haven't been given any notification from the bot that that has happened. Is there a problem with the bot as I also noticed that on the talk page the hook is not given? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed that, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 06:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot disabled[edit]

There was an error. I don't know how the bot added unnecessary extra and messed up the chart. --George Ho (talk) 08:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied above. Thanks for taking care of it. Shubinator (talk) 02:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
On second thought, I'm moving the DYKHousekeepingBot discussion to this section. I fixed the formatting issue and ran the bot on my computer once, which updated the hook stats page and notified a couple of users about untranscluded nominations. I'm having trouble logging into Toolserver, so I can't apply the fix. I assume the login issues are temporary; once they've disappeared I can start up the bot. Shubinator (talk) 22:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
As with DYKUpdateBot, since willow looks ok I've started up DYKHousekeepingBot again. I also implemented the suggestions above about renaming the AGF tick filename and incorporating the red again symbol. (Amber, sorry for the delay.) For future reference, the bot does a simple "last symbol wins" calculation; if the last symbol (that it recognizes) in the section is a tick, then the bot counts it as an approval. Shubinator (talk) 04:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Based on the timestamp, DYKHousekeepingBot appears to have run once after you started it (at 04:42) and then stopped again. I hope it can be restarted again soon. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
This is odd. Willow is again having file system issues. DYKUpdateBot's log file is empty after a certain point, but the bot made an update after that, so the bot is still functioning. Neither bot relies on state stored on the file system. DYKHousekeepingBot fared worse, and is refusing to start up. I'll run the bot once on my computer for now. The toolserver admins put in place a temporary fix for the file system issues; the entire system will likely be brought down around Friday for a more permanent fix. Shubinator (talk) 04:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Shubinator. It's good to have a comparatively recent list of what dates have how many approved hooks, so if you can do occasional runs until the bot is feeling more conciliatory about operating, that would be great; if you can't, we'll just operate as best we can until then. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

00:00, May 11, 2013 (UTC) update for DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdateBot filed to perform the 00:00, May 11, 2013 (UTC) update. I was not active at the time the bot should have been running so can not say if there were problems on the Wikipedia servers as there were on May 7. While performing the manual update I also spotted another irregularity. The editnotice for Template:Did you know/Next update/Time is now sporting a trailing 0 at the end of the provided timestamp. --Allen3 talk 00:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Allen, toolserver applications that I use were not (and are not) working around then. Thanks once again for keeping an eye on all this. Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Looks like willow was rebooted as part of Toolserver maintenance to try and stabilize things. I've brought the bot back online. Also fixed the formatting issue with the next update time editnotice; the parser apparently got new formatting characters that conflict with the literal characters we want. Will try to get to DYKHousekeepingBot tomorrow. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot for May 12[edit]

Probably not a surprise with the NFS issues being reported on the toolservers[6], but DYKUpdateBot has again gone MIA. Looks like it may be a couple more hours before the person with the knowledge to (hopefully) fix the problem will be available. I performed a manual update 10 to 15 minutes ago so with luck the servers could be available in time for the next update. --Allen3 talk 17:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately not a surprise. I can't login to the server because of maintenance issues, but as you mentioned that should get resolved soon. Thanks for staying on top of this. Shubinator (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Toolserver is still having issues with its file system, so I ran the bot on my computer to take care of the latest update. Shubinator (talk) 01:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Willow appears to be back to normal, so I've started up DYKUpdateBot again on Toolserver. Shubinator (talk) 04:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK toolbox[edit]

Hi Shubinator. We are trying to create a DYK toolbox to add to the nomination template to help reviewers. Would it be possible to put your DYK check tool on the toolserver so that it can be called from the toolbox template? Also, the annotation on the js code page seems to say that the tool can be used without installation. I don't understand how this can be done. Thanks, SpinningSpark 11:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Not in the short term unfortunately. Toolserver is becoming less and less stable, and I don't want to add more dependencies on it. Labs has been unresponsive to email, which is slowing down migration. And I've been fairly busy in real life lately. After I migrate the bots over to Labs I'll consider it. On anon script execution, yes, that used to work, and no longer really does. See here in the "Using DYKcheck" section. Shubinator (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Bot is on strike[edit]

Hi. The bot has quit updating Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Your help is needed to get it restarted. --Orlady (talk) 17:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Uh.... I hope you can set the bot from three queues per day to two set per day. The participation is very slow at this time. I say that we should stick with two-per-day setup until the Cup, which begins on July 1. --George Ho (talk) 17:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Scratch that; klutzy me. I could not read time and dates well. --George Ho (talk) 18:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I must notify you that I am updating the hook count manually. I will disable the housekeeping bot if you do not object. --George Ho (talk) 19:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have disabled the bot per George Ho's request. NW (Talk) 13:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Replied at WT:DYK. I'm confused by the reasoning here. I can't start up the bot until I understand why the decision was made to disable it. (And sorry for the multiple day delay; it's been a long week.) Shubinator (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
The bot did not update while it was active, and I figured that there was something wrong with it. Thank goodness the bot is alive to help out, now that I am done temporarily updating the counts. --George Ho (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah I see. There was something wrong with it, but nothing destructive. In general it's best to leave the bot enabled unless it's being destructive and/or conflicting with another user. Shubinator (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Translation to sv.wiki[edit]

I'd like to introduce DYKcheck to Swedish Wikipedia. Is it possible to "translate" the tool and introduce it on a different language version?

Peter Isotalo 21:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I haven't tried it, but it should be quite doable. You may even be able to install the script directly from sv.wiki. Shubinator (talk) 04:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Housekeeping bot not keeping house[edit]

Shubinator, it looks like no one informed you that the most recent DYKHousekeepingBot update was 16:50, June 25, 2013 (UTC); it's been down for well over a day. Can you please restart as soon as possible? Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Restarted. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Setting DYKUpdateBot to run only twice a day: it's time[edit]

Shubinator, we've been having a discussion at WT:DYK#Crisis looming about going to twice a day, and I think we're finally there: when I first suggested it on July 7 at about this time we had 140 nominations; while there was an increase during the day to 150 hooks, we're now down to 127, and we have seven empty queues and preps which could take up 49 of these hooks ... or would if we had that many approved.

Can you make the necessary changes? We typically do the twice-a-day hooks at noon and midnight UTC, so if you get to this after the 0800 update, you may need to wait until the after the 1600 update goes up and let the twice a day start with midnight. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Orlady took care of the changeover; as it happens, the hooks are at 08:00 and 20:00 UTC, which I can't imagine would be a problem: 12 hours is 12 hours. Hope you're having a great time, wherever you are! BlueMoonset (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Glad to hear Orlady took care of it. The bot will drift the update times over to 00:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC. (And sorry for not being around the past couple of days.) Shubinator (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, people would think that you have a real life or something. SL93 (talk) 15:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot late[edit]

Shubinator, as far as I can tell, the DYKUpdateBot should have run at 21:00 UTC, and didn't; it's currently 21:35 as I write this. Can you please see what's up with the bot? Housekeeping seems to be running properly, or was as of 20:49; there wasn't anything to provoke at 21:19 update, and we won't know for sure until 21:49 update runs and does (or doesn't) reflect the 21:20 addition. Thanks! (Note: I'll be posting to WT:DYK in case there's an admin who can update by hand. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Recovery code kicked in for the 12:00 (UTC) update. --Allen3 talk 12:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot missed 12:00 15 July 2013 (UTC) update[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdatebot failed to perform the 12:00 15 July 2013 (UTC) update. A manual update has been performed. ‎DYKHousekeepingBot performed an update at 11:51 15 July 2013 (UTC), so this does not appear to be a toolserver outage. --Allen3 talk 12:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot has just missed the 00:22 16 July 2013 update. Looks like the recovery code failed to perform a restart. Could you look into giving the bot a kick when you get a chance. --Allen3 talk 00:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Well that's a new one. DYKUpdateBot was behaving oddly (not outputting to logs), but recompiling it fixed it. Which is quite weird. Anyways, should be back to normal now. Shubinator (talk) 05:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Funny glitch[edit]

[7]. Materialscientist (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a side effect from recent events involving Dr. Blofeld. Earlier today Blofeld redirected his user talk page.[8] Since then, Theo's Little Bot (talk · contribs) has twice added things to the redirect([9][10]) instead of following the redirect and editing the new user talk page. DYKUpdateBot appears to be reading the entire message and then trying to use it as an alternate user talk page name. --Allen3 talk 00:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)--Allen3 talk 00:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Should we pull all DYKmake templates with Dr. Blofeld from current queues and preps, noting that we're only doing so because he has closed his talk page, and the redirect is breaking the bot? Or is this a harmless glitch that doesn't stop the bot from finishing its task, in which case it's merely annoying, and we don't need to take any specific action on those templates? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Credit templates with bad user names is a moderately common error. When the bot encounters one it logs an error and moves on to the next action. The difference between this and past instances is the unusually long "user name" caused by the redirect. DYKUpdateBot completed the update that generated the error and then cleared the message from the error page during it's next status check (the bot's normal behavior). --Allen3 talk 01:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Allen3's right, the weirdness won't stop the bot from updating. The negative side effects are 1) the user doesn't get credited automatically, and 2) noise at DYKUpdateBot/Errors. Having said that, I see the bug in the code and can fix it, if you folks think it's worth fixing. Shubinator (talk) 02:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
As no one has spoken, I will through my support behind fixing the bug. There are still a number of DYK nominations from Dr. Bloefeld that have not reached the Main page and it would be nice to avoid the negative side effects. --Allen3 talk 11:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Done. I just noticed that DYKHousekeepingBot isn't following redirects, so I've fixed that too. We should see the new redirect code at work on the July 21st 12:00 UTC update. Shubinator (talk) 16:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK RfC[edit]

  • As a listed DYK participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat|Contributions00:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK image protection[edit]

I know this is not a DYKUpdateBot task, and you don't have to look into this, but it would be great if you did (as well as talk page stalkers, particularly Allen3). Most DYK images are protected by KrinkleBot on Commons. I rarely check that, but when I do, I often find that the bot removes a DYK image from the protection cascade shortly after it is posted on en.wiki main page, thereby fooling DYKUpdateBot (and the DYK promoting admin). I've posted about it to Krinkle in January (here [11] is a link, but ignore it in favor of next one), and only today got a reasonable reply on the failure mechanism [12]. I was hoping that someone knowledgeable could suggest to Krinkle how to avoid this recurring problem. Materialscientist (talk) 06:11, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My suspicion is that this problem is being caused by delays in updating the Help:What links here information related to pages containing transcluded templates. A few weeks ago, I noticed that (while logged into the English Wikipedia) flushing the server cache for Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow would allow KrinkleBot to protect the image for a newly promoted DYK set on its next scan. Previous to this discovery it normally took KrinkleBot between 30 minutes and 6 hours to notice a change. With this insight there are two courses of action that spring to mind. The first is to have KrinkleBot request a purge of the server cache as part of it's normal scans. As the bot does its work on Commons, this may or may not effect pages that reside on the English Wikipedia and are being accessed by a cross-wiki link. The second possibility is for DYKUpdateBot to provide an assist by forcing a server cache purge at the end of an update. The second option is less preferable as it is tangential to DYKUpdateBot's purpose and would only benefit one of the language Wikipedias that KrinkleBot works with. --Allen3 talk 10:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Have another data point. ITN had an image swap shortly before 19:00 (UTC) today. I noticed the change 10 to 15 minutes after it was made, loaded a browser tab with a copy of the Main page, and attempted to flush the server cache. All this was completed by 19:16 (UTC). KrinkleBot did not notice the new image until 20:18 (UTC) (the bot normally runs at 3, 18, 33, and 48 minutes past the hour). Apparently my trick to get a new image noticed at Main page/Tomorrow does not work when applied to the Main page. --Allen3 talk 23:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
We can't have a bot to continuously purge a page. I was hoping there is a more reliable way for a bot to check an image presence on a page than the imageusage database. Materialscientist (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
One possible way to bypass the imageusage database is to take a copy of the Main page source code (or other page with images to protect), run it through Special:ExpandTemplates, and then search the results of the expanded source for links to either the File or Image namespaces. This process works when performed manually. I will let one of our bot operators tell us how hard it would be to code. --Allen3 talk 03:21, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Odd. DYKUpdateBot has always purged the Main Page right after updating it, I wonder if a MediaWiki change is causing this now? Regardless, parsing the Main Page itself is definitely an option. However, because the bot won't be using the same code as the MediaWiki parse engine, the bot's parse code will probably have to be fine-tuned over time (like DYKUpdateBot's). The first iteration of the parse code shouldn't take much time; it's relatively simple. Shubinator (talk) 05:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

00:00 20 August 2013 (UTC) DYKUpdateBot update[edit]

FYI,

Looks like there have been some issues with the toolserver. DYKUpdateBot missed the 00:00 20 August 2013 (UTC) update (manual update has been performed). Additionally, DYKHousekeepingBot last updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count at 14:31, August 19, 2013 (UTC). More interesting was the 16:01 (UTC) update to the hook count by an IP that matches the address for willow.toolserver.org. If you get the chance, please check both bots. I suspect that at least one needs to be restarted. --Allen3 talk 00:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I've restarted DYKHousekeepingBot. DYKUpdateBot's logs show it was having issues, but it looks like the bot recovered properly. Shubinator (talk) 01:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup of uploaded images by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

I have noticed that Category:Uploaded from Commons main page images has been accumulating a number of old {{C-uploaded}} images from DYK. Examples include File:George St Lo.jpg, File:Mill church.jpg, and File:San Francisco Civic Center Historic District 09.jpg. When your schedule permits, could you look into why DYKUpdteBot did not delete the local copies of these images when their time on the Main page was completed? All current examples where uploaded by a relatively new DYK admin, so it is possible that they are somehow different from previous C-uploaded images (differences in white spaces inside the file names perhaps). The bot was however able to locate the images well enough to add a {{DYKfile}} to all of the image description files. This suggests the bot should be able to identify the file name well enough to delete the local copy of the uploaded image. --Allen3 talk 12:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Those files are tagged with {{c-upload}} instead of {{c-uploaded}}; currently the bot only recognizes the latter. The bot is finding the files, but it doesn't think they're marked as temporarily uploaded for the Main Page. Shubinator (talk) 05:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

00:00 29 August 2013 (UTC) DYKUpdateBot update[edit]

FYI,

DYKUpdateBot missed the 00:00 29 August 2013 (UTC) update. Additionally, ‎DYKHousekeepingBot last performed an update at 20:24 28 August 2013 (UTC) even though there have been modifications to the nominations page since that time. Could you check things when you get a chance? --Allen3 talk 02:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot's automatic reset code kicked in, and it looks like it has made a full recovery. DYKHousekeepingBot was not faring as well, so I restarted it. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm, this is looking more complicated than I thought. DYKHousekeepingBot is still erroring out when attempting to edit Wikipedia, and I wouldn't be surprised if DYKUpdateBot does the same. Feels related to the Mediawiki update that just rolled out. Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Figured it out, we're back in business with DYKHousekeepingBot editing without issues :) Shubinator (talk) 06:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot just missed the 12:00 29 August 2013 (UTC) update. Looks like there may still be a problem. --Allen3 talk 12:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Restarted DYKUpdateBot, it's now editing without problems. Hopefully that fixed things... Shubinator (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --Allen3 talk 15:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

DYKcheck and Good Articles[edit]

Shubinator, sometime in the next two weeks (the RfC on the proposal just closed; see WT:DYK#Implementation of RfC), Good Articles will be eligible for DYK. Can DYKcheck be revised to check these articles as well?

The article must have become a Good Article in the five days before nomination. The time period is calculated the same, presumably, as a 5x expansion would be: the initial edit expanding the article acting as the start of the five days, just as the awarding of the Good Article status would be the trigger point. (I'm honestly not sure whether the placement of the "Good Article" template on the article page, or the "GA" template on the article talk page, would be the triggering event. Maybe you should report on both in the results? Or I suppose we could enquire as to the preferred method, or even that the earliest of the two is what counts.)

Previous appearance in DYK is still a disqualifying event, as is previous appearance in ITN, so you should also do all the usual previous appearance checks you do for ordinary DYKs. The change simply adds a new method of qualifying for DYK, which is still subject to the other disqualifying events. The only difference is that there doesn't need to be a 5x expansion. I'm actually not sure about the 1500 prose character minimum that current DYK new and expanded articles are both subject to; I think that if the article rates being a Good Article despite being shorter than 1500 prose characters, it is deemed worth promoting to the main page.

How soon do you think it would be possible to add the new checks to DYKcheck? Thanks for letting us know, and for a wonderful tool. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Follow-up: there's currently a discussion about implementation at WT:DYK#Implementation of RfC. Among other points, it was suggested that the GA check be made using the article talk page, since people sometimes try to claim GA for their articles by adding the icon to the article page, and also that a check for previous TFA (Featured Article) main-page posting be made, for those articles that had been Featured Articles, but since failed to meet standards, and are now climbing back up the ladder by becoming Good Articles. Also, I seem to have been wrong: 1500 prose characters still seems to be the minimum for all articles. You would do that check (and the expansion check) regardless, so I didn't need to mention it in the first place. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately this week I've been busy and next week I'll be traveling, so I doubt I'll find the time to implement this soon. I'm most worried by how to detect when an article became a Good Article. The 5x expansion check is expensive (takes a lot of time), and I'm guessing the Good Article check will also eat up time. Will look into it more later. Shubinator (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Well done for creating the DYKUpdateBot, a great tool! Thanks, Matty.007 16:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

September 11 server maintenance appears to have halted DYKUpdateBot[edit]

There was scheduled OS maintenance on willow a couple hours ago. Neither DYKUpdateBot and ‎DYKHousekeepingBot seem to have survived the experience. Would appreciate a restart when you get the chance. --Allen3 talk 00:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Done, thanks! Shubinator (talk) 07:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Eurocup Trophy.JPG[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Eurocup Trophy.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:31, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Silvina Moschini empresaria.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Silvina Moschini empresaria.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

08:00 12 October 2013 run for DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdateBot missed the 08:00, 12 October 2013 (UTC) update. Manual update has been performed. Past performance indicates the bot will most likely recover for the next run (now scheduled for 17:03 (UTC)), but if you get a chance to check things before then it would be appreciated. --Allen3 talk 09:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Another data point: The most recent update to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count was performed by an IP. Similar symptoms to those seen during the MediaWiki update at the end of August. --Allen3 talk 10:06, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot hasn't run since 08:50 today (that IP run Allen3 mentions), even though prep areas have been built and new hooks added in the intervening five hours. Thanks for anything you can do to get it functioning again. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Another interesting data point. I performed a manual update of Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count today. Several minutes afterward, the update was reverted by the IP. Looks like DYKHousekeepingBot is both logged out and seems to be stuck in October 12th. --Allen3 talk 18:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Ack, sorry I didn't see this earlier, I've been busy and neglecting email. I've restarted DYKHousekeepingBot and it seems to be functioning, and (for the record) DYKUpdateBot recovered on the 17:03 12 October update as Allen predicted. Shubinator (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for restarting the bot, Shubinator. Glad to see you again. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Bot error?[edit]

I've fixed it, but what happened in this edit? --Geniac (talk) 03:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Odd. Looks like a connectivity problem caused the bot to think the page was empty. The bot simply takes the text that was there before, appends it, and sends the updated text back to Wikipedia servers. Thanks for catching this! Shubinator (talk) 07:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

End of month glitch[edit]

Hello Shubinator. Would you review the question I posted at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Byrd Spilman Dewey and opine if you can imagine a way to fix the glitch I eluded to which apparently affects the information displayed by {{DYK talk}} for hooks posted on the last day of the month that are removed at 00:00 on the first day of the following month? Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied there. Unfortunately I don't see an easy way out. Shubinator (talk) 03:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot Good[edit]

Shub - Thanks for the reminder.[13] Keep up the good work. -- Jreferee (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Glad you like it :) Shubinator (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

16:00, 11 Nov. 2013 update was not performed by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI,

DYKUpdateBot failed to perform the scheduled update at 16:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC). Prior to the update there was an edit by an anonymous user to User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors([14]). Looks like the bot lost its session data or was otherwise logged out before the update was attempted. Will be watching to see if the recovery code kicks in for the update at midnight (UTC). --Allen3 talk 16:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Recovery code kicked in for the 00:00 (UTC) update, so DYKUpdateBot is back in business. --Allen3 talk 00:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on this. When I get some more spare time, I'll try to look into why the bot didn't notice it was logged out - I thought I'd protected it against that sort of thing. Migration to Tool Labs will likely take higher priority though. Shubinator (talk) 07:21, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot appears to need a restart[edit]

Looks like DYKHousekeepingBot has experienced a logout/loss of session data problem. Last edit to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count was several hours ago and was performed by an IP[15]. A restart of the bot would be appreciated. --Allen3 talk 10:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Done :) Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 04:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

DYKcheck Feature Request[edit]

This is just to let you know that I left a note for a feature request at User:Shubinator/DYKcheck#Ideas for development about showing the original prose size with the 5x expansion statistics. It seemed easy to implement. If you don't want to, would you mind if I implemented it? Thanks! APerson (talk!) 03:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with you implementing it as long as it doesn't slow down the script too much. I'm curious how you would detect original prose size - currently the script doesn't know the "original" date. Shubinator (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for DYKHousekeepingBot[edit]

When it is editing the list of approved hooks, can the bot please now say approved instead of verified because the new word explains it better. [16] Rcsprinter (cackle) @ 09:50, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I personally like "verified" better, but I'm open to changing it. Why "approved"? Shubinator (talk) 16:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
"Verified" doesn't really mean anything in terms of a review. It's not clear that it means "reviewed and approved for promotion", which is what it needs to convey. Rcsprinter (parlez) @ 19:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
"Approved" seems too rigid though, and presumes that the nomination cannot be unapproved. I don't see a clear-cut case for "approved" over "verified", but if you feel strongly about it, feel free to start a thread on WT:DYK to gauge consensus. Shubinator (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot[edit]

failed to update around 1:44 AM 12 December. Please have a look. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Network connectivity issues again, the bot's auto-recover code kicked in and it looks like it's back to normal. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot taking an unannounced holiday[edit]

Shubinator, I don't know whether it got caught at a gigantic 48-hour sale or stuck somewhere in inclement weather, but the last update was over 39 hours ago, at 05:22, December 16, 2013 (UTC). If you can get it back in gear, that would be great. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

It was playing with cyber reindeer, I've brought it back to reality. Thanks! (Maile as well.) Shubinator (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks, Shubinator. I won't ask whether it now has a red nose... BlueMoonset (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

DYKcheck and Drafts[edit]

Hi, This is part three in my apparently ongoing series of related requests, the previous ones being in March and April 2012. This time I'm asking you to modify DYKcheck to recognize moves from the new Draft namespace. (Example move.) There's certainly no hurry to get this done. Thanks, MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 09:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I happened to have made this request just before a flurry of activity requesting your assistance below and on WT:DYK, so I suspect it may have gotten overlooked. As I said, there's no hurry, so I'm not nagging you, but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't missed. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:29, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, haven't missed it :) There are a few things that will take higher priority, for example moving the bots over to Labs, but this is on the list. Shubinator (talk) 07:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Help![edit]

The DYK bot got stuck on my page! Thanks for all your amazing work :) [17] Gareth E Kegg (talk) 10:33, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK Update bot malfunctioning on user talk pages[edit]

Shubinator, the DYKUpdate bot has been malfunctioning since the DYK sets that began about 24 hours ago. It mal-forms the template notification on the user's talk page. — Maile (talk) 13:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Some users have noted that User:Ameliorate!/DYKmake has recently been deleted, could that be the problem? Gatoclass (talk) 07:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
See also this thread. Gatoclass (talk) 07:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

It appears that the relevant pages in Ameliorate's user space have been undeleted, but at some point they should probably be moved to formal wikispace. Gatoclass (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like the crisis has been averted. Long-term we should remove the references to Ameliorate!'s space, specifically these:
I can take a crack at cleaning this up tomorrow. Did I miss any pages? Shubinator (talk) 07:18, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Too sleepy to go after this tonight, and I'm traveling tomorrow, but it'll happen in the next few days. Shubinator (talk) 07:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

A problem from DYKcheck?[edit]

Hello! I've created an article named Basketball at the 2013 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament, I used the DYKcheck on how many characters it has. It seems the DYKcheck didn't counted some words in the statistical leaders and medal winners section of the article even though they are not in a table or in a template. Does the words count? btw, I'm currently nominating it for WP:DYK. Cheers! FairyTailRocks (talk) 08:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

It is working by now. FairyTailRocks (talk) 17:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Not quite sure why DYKHousekeepingBot didn't pick this one up[edit]

Shubinator, as I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong), DYKHousekeepingBot should generate a new list when there has been a change in at least one template: a hook as newly become verified (given a tick), or has been unverified (tick superseded); a template has been approved or rejected, or a new hook has been transcluded or an existing hook has been moved to the special occasion holding area and has thus disappeared from view as far as the bot is concerned.

At the moment, it's 21:35 UTC. The bot last did an update at 18:33 (after a new template was transcluded at 18:31), but it also posted a "you forgot to transclude" message on someone's talk page at 21:04, so the bot is clearly still running.

However, at 19:53, Template:Did you know nominations/Ernest Yarrow (from October 3, the oldest hook) was given an AGF tick, but a new list hasn't been generated to reflect this change. Shouldn't it have been? Thanks for taking a look at this (or for correcting my misunderstanding). BlueMoonset (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up: I had trouble posting the above, so I didn't see that the bot finally did an update at 22:04, which could be due to the promotion of a hook (Template:Did you know nominations/Raadi Manor) to prep 2 at 21:53, but it doesn't explain why a promotion to prep 3 at 20:58 (Template:Did you know nominations/Black Duck Joint Venture) didn't cause an update at 21:04, when the "forgot to transclude" message was posted as noted above. Best, BlueMoonset (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. It looks like the logic is correct but delayed right? The bot logs show that it did check for updates at 19:04, 19:34, 20:04, 20:34, 21:04, and 21:34. My guess is that Wikipedia's APIs returned a stale version of the page. Parts of the API return stale results when the server's under heavy load, some don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if the particular API call to fetch the HTML of a page is one of them. Shubinator (talk) 06:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

08:00 11 January 2014 run missed by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdateBot failed to perform the update scheduled for 08:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC). A manual update has been performed. Will try to keep an eye out in case the normal recovery code does not function as expected. --Allen3 talk 10:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot ran at 18:20, so it seems to be back in the saddle. DYKHousekeepingBot did an update an hour ago (20:39) but did not do one just now at 21:40, despite a few promotions to prep over the past half hour, and even more in the previous half hour (between 20:39 and 21:09). I've been having to purge the queue page more frequently, lately; if the same thing is happening with the API, as you theorized last time, that's still pretty bad if the page is remaining stale for close to an hour. I'm beginning to think that it takes an addition or subtraction of a template transclusion on the T:TDYK page to cause an update, not a promotion or rejection of any number of existing templates... (The DYKHousekeepingBot is running, since it did post a reminder that a transclusion hadn't been done on a recent DYK template creation at 21:40.) BlueMoonset (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks folks for keeping an eye on things. On the DYKHousekeepingBot issue, the next time you see it's stale, can you try making a null edit to T:TDYK? (Click edit, then save. This shouldn't add anything to the page history.) Feels like if the template transclusion theory is true, then we're back to the same issues around transcluded pages that we've been seeing for years (with image protection then), which can be one-time "fixed" with a null edit. Shubinator (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
I have performed null edits to Template talk:Did you know‎ several times during the last week after promoting sets of hooks to the prep areas. It does appear to provide a temporary fix. --Allen3 talk 22:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

DYKHousekeepingBot AWOL[edit]

Shubinator, DYKHousekeepingBot last ran at 18:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC), so it's been inactive for about 11 hours now. DYKUpdateBot seems to be fine, as it just posted the two-hour warning (no queue is ready at the moment) to WT:DYK.

Please encourage the DYKHousekeepingBot to resume its regular reports as soon as you can. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if you've tried to kick the bot, but I observe that Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count hasn't updated in more than 24 hours. --Orlady (talk) 07:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Done. Looks like the bot got signed out again. Both bots have code to check whether or not they're signed in, but it doesn't seem to be working any more. I'll look into fixing this eventually, but moving the bots over to Labs will take priority. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 07:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

16:00, 3 February 2014 update[edit]

FYI, DYKUpdateBot missed the update scheduled for 16:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC). A manual update has been performed. Will try to check the next update (currently scheduled for 01:15 (UTC)) in case the recovery code does not function normally. --Allen3 talk 17:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Not only did the DYK update bot miss the last update, but it looks like the DYK housekeeping bot may also be AWOL. The last update to "List of DYK Hooks by Date" was roughly 8 hours ago. --Orlady (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
From what I can tell, DYKUpdateBot will probably need a restart. The bot has yet to clear a test message placed into User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors, indicating its usual status checks every 10 minute are not occurring. --Allen3 talk 19:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Both bots restarted. Judging by the email threads flying around, Toolserver's getting less stable. Thanks for the heads up, and sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 07:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Toolserver problems appear to have halted the bots again[edit]

Looks like another set of restarts may be needed. ‎DYKHousekeepingBot has not updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in over 8 hours. DYKUpdateBot in turn failed to issue a warning about all the queues being empty as it usually does when the queues are empty 2 hours before a scheduled update. It does appear some effort is being made to correct issues on the toolservers.[18] Hopefully things will improve soon. --Allen3 talk 01:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Yep, looks like willow was restarted. Both bots back in action. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Pardon?[edit]

I received a message that a step is missing in Template:Did you know nominations/Magnificat (Rutter), however, it appeared a while ago. Can the bot address the one who didn't close it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the |passed=yes was not done when closing it. I've now correctly closed the nomination. I don't know if the bot should be expected to handle such errors. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 09:48, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Mandarax! "Should" I don't know, but it might be not difficult to check if an article already appeared, if you can tell a bolded link, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
This sort of human error should be fairly rare, and would require a decent bit of code to work around, so we'll let it be for now. If it's commonplace, let me know. Shubinator (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI, Shubinator: It looks like DYKUpdateBot (talk · contribs) has stopped working. :-( --PFHLai (talk) 04:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it's intermittently active. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
The logs show the bot was having issues on the 14th, but it looks like the 15th and 16th were business as usual. The intermittent issues will hopefully disappear once I switch the bots over to Labs. Shubinator (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Shubinator. I thought I should report to you that the bot missed an update just now. Hope this helps. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 00:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
This is probably due to scheduled OS updates on the toolserver.[19] ‎DYKHousekeepingBot appears to also be MIA, so restarts following an apparent reboot on the toolserver would be appreciated. --Allen3 talk 03:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The Toolserver-l mailing list suggests the servers are back among the living.[20] A restart of the bots would be appreciated when you get a chance. --Allen3 talk 00:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I've brought both of the bots back online. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 04:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Shubinator. Housekeeping is already doing its thing, and Update should put the message about empty queues on the talk page in about 40 minutes, assuming no one moves a prep to a queue before then. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Yoshimi Tanigawa - Ikamaryuu shikibouchou.jpg[edit]

A tag has been placed on File:Yoshimi Tanigawa - Ikamaryuu shikibouchou.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK Check[edit]

Hi there. I'd really appreciate it if you could help me out with your DYK Check tool. I posted on the DYK Check's talk page a while back and never heard from anyone, so I hope you don't mind if I post here. I complied with the instructions, or at least I attempted to. When I tried to create "skin.js" I was redirected to "monobook.js" and I put the script there. But it doesn't seem to be working for me. I can't find the tool. I would be so, so very grateful if you could take a moment to address my issue here, as I'd like to get started reviewing DYKs. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Thanks very much! Coretheapple (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

08:25 10 April 2014 update by DYKUpdateBot[edit]

FYI,

DYKUpdateBot failed to perform the update scheduled to occur at 08:25 10 April 2014 (UTC). A manual update has been performed. DYKHousekeepingBot may also be experiencing problems as the last update to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count was performed by an IP. If memory serves, there is a good chance that DYKUpdateBot will recover and perform the next update. DYKHousekeepingBot seems to have experienced some kind of connectivity issue and will probably need to be restarted. --Allen3 talk 11:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if it got logged out because of the Heartbleed token change? Either way, it is still down. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
The timing is wrong to blame this on Heartbleed. The token change took place on April 8 ([21]), more than a day before DYKHousekeepingBot began to show problems. This looks like a plain old connectivity issue, the type that has happens once every month or three. --Allen3 talk 13:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Another diagnostic data point for DYKHousekeepingBot. I performed a manual update to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Two minutes later, the update is reverted with an IP restoring the previous version of the page.[22] This suggests that DYKHousekeepingBot is still operating at some level and using an outdated input source to calculate the list of outstanding DYK hooks. --Allen3 talk 22:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
  • DYKUpdateBot missed the 01:33 12 April 2014 (UTC) update. Manual update has been performed. --Allen3 talk 03:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Looks like overall DYKUpdateBot recovered, minus the blip on 12 April. I've restarted DYKHousekeepingBot. Sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)