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Main Page appearance: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band[edit]

This is a note to let the main editors of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 21, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 21, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The Beatles

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the eighth studio album by the English rock band the Beatles (pictured). Released on 1 June 1967, it was an immediate commercial and critical success. After the group retired from touring, Paul McCartney had an idea for a song involving an Edwardian era military band, and this developed into a plan to release an entire album as a performance by the fictional Sgt. Pepper band. Knowing they would not have to perform the tracks live, the Beatles adopted an experimental approach to composition, writing songs such as "With a Little Help from My Friends", "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "A Day in the Life". The producer George Martin's innovative recording of the album included the liberal application of signal processing. The cover, depicting the band in front of a collage of celebrities and historical figures, was designed by the English pop artists Peter Blake and Jann Haworth. One of the best-selling albums of all time, Sgt. Pepper is regarded as an important work of British psychedelia and an early concept album. One music scholar has described it as "the most important and influential rock and roll album ever recorded". (Full article...)

You (and your talk-page stalkers) may also be interested to hear that there have been some changes at the TFA requests page recently. Nominators no longer need to calculate how many "points" an article has, the instructions have been simplified, and there's a new nomination system using templates based on those used for DYK suggestions. Please consider nominating another article, or commenting on an existing nomination, and leaving some feedback on your experience. Thank you. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Neo soul[edit]

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You've been awarded![edit]

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Congratulations on your 49th good article and well done in improving numerous albums from the neo soul genre. The Wikipedia community is grateful for your contributions to the music field. Retrohead (talk) 09:52, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

MM[edit]

Precious again, "your" music on the Main page Marquee Moon, following the lonely hearts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Today's Featured Article: Notification[edit]

This is to inform you that Song of Innocence, which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 7 January 2015. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. I have not scheduled an image; the lead image is copyright, the Blake image might misinform as to the nature of the article, and the other image within the article is tangential. Please let me know if you have other suggestions. Brianboulton (talk) 15:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC) Brianboulton (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I had to squeeze the text down to about 1200 characters; was there anything I left out you'd like to see put back in? - Dank (push to talk) 21:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't too concerned about it to begin with lol. I trust your judgment. Dan56 (talk) 05:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks :) - Dank (push to talk) 05:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for improving Wikipedia by contributing so many high quality music articles. Your work does not go unnoticed, and your time is appreciated. Keep up the great work, and happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 05:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Invitation[edit]

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Precious again[edit]

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Misterioso
Thank you for quality articles on albums such as The Way I See It and Misterioso, for collaboration such as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, for taking care of articles with explaining edit summaries and polite warnings, for being an ally, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 954th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Today we enjoy Aaliyah, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were recipient no. 954 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for today's Agharta! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Modern Vampires of the City[edit]

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Modern Vampires of the City has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

Your GA nomination of Moondance[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill[edit]

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A cup of tea for you![edit]

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DYK for Modern Vampires of the City[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Light of the Sun[edit]

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Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 24, 2015[edit]

Hi Dan, I'll do the summary on this one tonight. Good to see this one, TFA can use a little funk. - Dank (push to talk) 23:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Precious again, your Rhythm Killers, - what Dank said!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

... and today's Sons of Soul, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Maxinquaye[edit]

Just wanted to say: love what you're doing for Maxinquaye. Keep it up! :) — sparklism hey! 08:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

"Don't Stop the Music"[edit]

Hey Dan, how's going? I hope you are doing well. Can I get your help on the article? I recently nominated it for featured, but according to one user the prose is not satisfactory yet! Can you at least just do some rough checking and slight copy-editing? Thanks, as always... — Tom(T2ME) 11:19, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Spin Alternative Record Guide[edit]

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Your GA nomination of So Beautiful or So What[edit]

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Agharta (album)[edit]

Nice work. Great album. I'd never seen that US cover before. That short clip from Prelude...now I have to go and pull the album off the shelf and move it into rotation. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Rollback granted[edit]

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Hi Dan56. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

  • Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
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If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Widr (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Also pending changes reviewer given. Let me know if you don't want it. Widr (talk) 08:11, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Daughters (Nas song)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of All I Want Is You (album)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Devil's Halo[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Sea (Corinne Bailey Rae album)[edit]

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Maxinquaye[edit]

Dan56, I've added some more reviews from the UK press – feel free to edit or delete as you wish. I'm not happy about the position of the 2009 reviews, for instance: I think they're better off going in the ratings table, but there's no room for them there... just out of interest, are you opposed to the use of two tables, for contemporary and legacy reviews?

Two other things: the reception section states that the album was record of the year in "numerous" English publications... well, apart from NME and Melody Maker (where it was joint first, actually), I can't find any other publications where it was the outright winner, so perhaps that word "numerous" needs to go. Also, do you not see "Hell Is Around the Corner" as the album's fifth single? Obviously it wasn't in its original form and formed part of a remix EP, but I still think it's a single from the album, nevertheless. I also have dates for all the single releases, if you want them added in. Richard3120 (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

@Richard3120:, great addition of those contemporary reviews! I think the deluxe edition reviews don't add much that hasn't already been said earlier in the section ("the album was unique", "sui generis", etc., albeit in different mealy-mouthed phrases and declarations of praise)... I don't want to have too many quotes reiterating the same things (WP:QUOTEFARM). I revised and rearranged both. Let me know what you think. Q(('}}s 5-stars are represented in the ratings template already, but I would like to substitute Mojo for The Observer. Judging by the Wikipedia articles on those two, I'm given the impression Mojo is/was a more notable publication. I changed "numerous" to "several". What are your sources for the single dates? Dan56 (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
No problem, I just wanted to make you aware I'd made the changes – I tried to keep them in the style of what had already been written, but I agree with you, I found it difficult to find a suitable place in the text for the 2009 reviews... and yes, there's only so many times you can quote a critic going "it's great" about an album.
Mojo is a monthly music magazine that tends to focus on legacy material, i.e. most of its reviews are about new records from classic artists (Bob Dylan, Neil Young... you get the picture) and reissues of classic records from the past, while the articles tend to be retrospectives about a classic single, album or even tour... very useful for finding material if you're working on records from past decades, particularly rock – the magazine aims at an older readership who aren't really into electronic or dance music. The Observer is the Sunday edition of The Guardian, the UK's main (only?) left-leaning broadsheet newspaper. Nothing wrong with The Observer/The Guardian at all: many of their music critics over the last ten or fifteen years – Jude Rogers, Kitty Empire, Dorian Lynskey, Garry Mulholland, Tim Jonze, and indeed Jon Savage – all started their careers as staff writers for NME or Melody Maker. But I personally think a review from a music magazine carries more weight than a newspaper critic... maybe that's just personal preference.
The release dates for the six singles all come from the weekly "new releases" section of Music Week, which I'm sure you know is the UK's equivalent trade paper to Billboard in the US. They all match up with a UK singles chart entry date of 12 days later according to the OCC database (released on Monday, they would have entered the chart dated w/e the following Saturday), so I am confident that these dates are correct.
There's a couple of other things to add to the article, but they won't change the text that much: sources for the NME and Melody Maker year-end critics' list which placed Maxinquaye at no. 1, and the Rolling Stone critics' list for 1995 which placed the album at no. 3. Also, I found a quote in another Tricky interview about "Suffocated Love", where he says he wanted a song where Martina played "the cruel woman, the bitch" because he likes "playing the weak role... the person who's used" – it seemed an interesting quote in the context of their musical and personal relationships.
Then by all means, those single dates should be worked into the sentence where the months are already mentioned. NME and Melody Maker's are already sourced, so I don't see it as necessary, but definitely Rolling Stone and sure, that quote would be interesting to add. Dan56 (talk) 05:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Next week I will try and do the same thing and add UK reviews to The Stone Roses. Hope you can get The Ecstatic to FA by the way: I know it didn't chart in the UK but it has its British fans, including me, who agree that it was Mos Def's best album since his debut. Richard3120 (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Great, and thanks @Richard3120: Dan56 (talk) 05:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Did You Hear What Happened to Charlotte King? - featured article candidate[edit]

Hello. First, I want to say good luck with your FAC for The Ecstatic. I was wondering if you could help with my FAC for "Did You Hear What Happened to Charlotte King?" as I would really appreciate any comments or feedback on this nomination, especially from an experienced user like yourself. I know this is outside of your field of interest so I understand if you are too busy or not interested. I apologize for any inconvenience.

The link is here if you are interested: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Did You Hear What Happened to Charlotte King?/archive1. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, but I wouldn't have the time to give it a proper look. Best of luck though Dan56 (talk) 10:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Guitar (Sonny Sharrock album)[edit]

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Metallica[edit]

Hey Dan, when you were doing the critical reception of Metallica, you haven't included the Allmusic review in the prose. Can you do that these days? Thanks in advance. Also, are there any other contemporary reviews we've missed?--Retrohead (talk) 08:17, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Possibly, just because of the difficulty in searching an eponymous album title, but I think the section as it is captures the gist of how the record was received. Dan56 (talk) 19:21, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Featured article candidate: Unlocked (Alexandra Stan album)[edit]

Hi there! My mean is not to bother you, but I was wondering if you could find time to comment on my FAC above and even support or oppose to it. Face-smile.svg Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 11:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Would it be possible to return for an oppose or suppose? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 4, 2016[edit]

Hi Dan, here's another one of your FAC nominations at TFA, I'm working on the TFA text now. - Dank (push to talk) 15:39, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Done, I hope. I had to move some things around to deal with the much shorter space, and to conform a bit more with the ordering in past TFA columns; I think there's some value in the concept of a "column", something that people can get used to reading, something that aims for consistency. My edits are of course no reflection on your lead, which is beautifully worded, I think. - Dank (push to talk) 21:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I've made some minor changes, but I think your column flows quite nicely @Dank:. I was surprised this article would be picked for TFA this fast. So thanks :) Dan56 (talk) 00:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, glad to hear that, and Brian picked it. I'm sorry I had to revert your last edits; it's up to 1198 characters now, and 1200 is the absolute maximum. If you want to delete other stuff, then more can be added. - Dank (push to talk) 00:28, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Hey Dan--congrats. It was a nice surprise to see one of my favorite MD albums on the front page. I wish I knew where my Japanese import double vinyl version was at--paid $50 for it 25 years or so ago. Good work! Drmies (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Which reminds me: I made a few edits on Pete Cosey last month (after watching Live in Vienna 1973), and there's more to be fished from the biographical reference I added, maybe. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
    Nice! I wish there was footage of the '74-75 concerts. That's when they were really developing a chemistry and rocking out. And it's too bad there's no free images of Cosey, at least I think; I got no hits on Commons. Dan56 (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

AfD: List of best-selling albums in Mexico[edit]

Hi, Dan. If you have time or are you interesting, could you weight on this AfD?. Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 07:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Rough Trade[edit]

Is Rough Trade should be added in the accolades section? I ask this because another user named Egg Creations made this edit but I removed it, because it's not a publication, it's a shop. Should this website be in the section or not. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 13:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Sure. I'm not sure who they poll or how they determine the list, but I know Metacritic includes them in their year-end piece on critics' polls (along with other shops/stores). I don't think a table is warranted though if it's just one or a few accolades for that album, so I would recommend having it in prose. Dan56 (talk) 21:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I think having it in pose should be necessary, because if there are more year-end lists a table should be necessary, but it's still kinda too early for the lists to appeared, they usually pop up in late December and early January. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Unapologetic[edit]

Can you please fix the vandalism problem on both Unapologetic and its talk page apparently someone doesn't know how to read 82.132.239.240 (talk) 09:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Hey Dan. Being that you've contributed to multiple Wu-Tang related articles, would you care to comment on this? I think We should have a more up-to-date photo for the infobox, being that the artist is still alive and active with his career. --Blastmaster11 (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

headers[edit]

Hi. We had a discussion about the subheaders and its effects on screen reader users. [1] Don't know you saw it. --Jennica talk / contribs 02:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

I'm really not good at assessing FAs, sorry. DS (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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GoldenGuy23[edit]

If you look at this editor history that it's clearly he or she is not gonna listen to you. I have reverted this user edits also and than he or she restored it back up again, it's getting the point that this editor is edit warring. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)