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Wiknic 2013[edit]

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This year's 2013 SF Wiknik will be held at Lake Merritt, next to Children's Fairyland in Oakland. This event will be co-attended by people from the hyperlocal Oakland Wiki. May crosspollination of ideas and merriment abound!

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You're invited...[edit]

to two upcoming Bay Area events:

  • Maker Faire 2013, Sat/Sun May 18-19, San Mateo -- there will have a booth about Wikimedia, and we need volunteers to talk to the public and ideas for the booth -- see the wiki page to sign up!
  • Edit-a-Thon 5, Sat May 25, 10-2pm, WMF offices in San Francisco -- this will be a casual edit-a-thon open to both experienced and new editors alike! Please sign up if on the wiki page if you can make it so we know how much food to get.

I hope you can join us at one or both! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 19:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of MAIC (disambiguation)[edit]

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on MAIC (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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More precisely, I'm not clear why you made this page--it consists only of external links to subjects about which we do not have articles. Are you intending to writer about any or all of them? (We sometimes do include mention of non-articles in a disam p. to avoid confusion when there are actual articles to be distinguished). DGG ( talk ) 01:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Could you please read section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, which you cited as the criterion for speedy deletion? It begins, "Any article (other than disambiguation pages, redirects, or soft redirects to Wikimedia sister projects) consisting only of external links ... ." The page you deleted was a disambiguation page and was marked as such following the instructions on Template:Disambiguation.
The Wikipedia article on disambiguation pages encourages articles giving variant spellings of common terms. The MAIC (disambiguation) page I created did far more: It provided links to substantive web sites for each alternative listed.
Could you either please speedily restore said page or explain why not?
After creating that article, I then posted a link to it Talk:Mergers and acquisitions/Archives/2013#What's MAIC?. That link is now broken. Someone who wanted to respond to my request for help with disambiguation can not now do so.
I created that page for several reasons:
  1. The Wikipedia article on Mergers and acquisitions contained the acronym MAIC without defining it.
  2. A moderately extensive search failed to identify a plausible definition.
  3. I've derived great value from other disambiguation pages in Wikipedia, and I thought others might benefit from a disambiguation page on MAIC (consistent with the Wikipedia policy on disambiguation pages).
  4. I hoped to use that page to encourage someone who knows about MAIC in the mergers and acquisitions context to contribute that meaning to the disambiguation page that I had created.
I have over 1300 contributions to different Wikimedia projects in multiple languages. I have nearly always cited sources and written from a neutral point of view. To my knowledge, until today, only one of those 1300+ contributions has been quickly reverted; that was because I did not cite a source and violated NPOV ;-)
The rules against Wikipedia articles on subjects that are not notable make good sense to me.
Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter and for your support for Wikipedia. DavidMCEddy (talk) 05:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
  • As a (talk page stalker) from DGG's page ... it sounds as if the dab page was going about things in the wrong order. Dab pages disambiguate existing articles, or mentions of a topic in existing articles. They aren't just a list of possible meanings of a term. It might be better to add a "request for clarification" at the mentions of MAIC in this article ... have just done so (just the once, as it's mentioned twice in one section). Or add a note to the article talk page. Then, if there is some mention within Wikipedia which would be useful for someone looking for "MAIC" in that sense, either create a dab page at MAIC or, if you're happy that Center for International Stabilization and Recovery is still the primary topic, add a {{redirect}} hatnote there. ("MAIC redirects here, for ... see ..."). Though I haven't seen the contents of your dab page, I can't see that there was any valid content for it. A link to Maic Sema would be possible but unnecessary, as we don't usually link from given names. PamD 08:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. By "dab", I assume you mean a disambiguation page? DGG referred me to WP:CSD#A3 as the justification for speedy deletion. However, WP:CSD#A3 clearly states it does NOT apply to disambiguation pages. Also, have you read Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages? It clearly encourages the creation of disambiguation pages to clarify issues as trivial as alternative spelling without requiring notoriety, citations to credible sources, etc. It clearly does NOT require that the alternatives listed on a disambiguation page be other Wikipedia articles, though that appears to have been DGG's criterion. It sounds like I could have escaped DDG's speedy deletion by including a link to Mergers and acquisitions#Cross-border M&A with a note that MAIC was used there without definition. If you can recover for me the text that was speedily deleted, I can add that. (I have a few less than 1400 contributions to Wikimedia projects, and I don't know how to recover the text of the page speedily deleted.)
Could you please read (or reread) the policies cited? After doing so if you still agree with DGG's action, could you help me understand the problem, citing words that actually appear in the referenced Wikipedia policies? So far, I've seen DGG's actions explained in terms that appear to violate the rules DGG cited.
If after reading the policies you agree with me, I'd be pleased if you would leave a note on DGG's talk page supporting my request that the disambiguation page I created be speedily undeleted. Thanks for your support of Wikipedia. DavidMCEddy (talk) 11:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I didn't see the content of your disambiguation page, but I cannot see articles in the encyclopedia which would form the content of a valid dab page. CSD A3 may or may not have been the correct way to delete it: perhaps it came under G6, second bullet point, instead. "unnecessary disambiguation pages, such as those listing only one or zero links to existing Wikipedia articles. Note: per MOS:DABRL, redlinks are allowed in dab pages, if supported by a bluelink to an article that shows usage of the same redlink in reasonable context; the supporting bluelink counts as a valid link to an existing Wikipedia article." I don't think the link you propose would be helpful, as it doesn't lead the reader to any information about MAIC in the mergers context. I see that "MAIC" has been in that article, unexplained, since 2010 - let's hope that someone responds to the note on the talk page and elucidates it. If what they say is a useful explanation of it, then we can add a {{redirect}} hatnote to help the reader find it. PamD 18:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, technically I should have used G6. Pam has made some good suggestions. DGG ( talk ) 15:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

You're invited: Art & Feminism Edit-a-thon[edit]

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Hi DavidMCEddy! The first Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon will be held on Saturday, February 1, 2014 in San Francisco.

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Thanks for your additions to Zoster vaccine! By the way, don't add "~~~~" to your edit summaries, but only to your posts on talk pages. Cheers, ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip re. "~~~~". If I had understood that from the start, it would have saved me 4 keystrokes for each of the over 1400 contributions I've made so far ;-) DavidMCEddy (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks. This was unintended. Your report moved me to change the offending link to the Second Sino-Japanese war. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

You're invited! WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon at the University of California, Berkeley[edit]

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OER inquiry[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Talk like TED[edit]

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Reference For Likelihood Function Changes[edit]

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Cheers, Ian

Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27[edit]

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Heinrich Himmler quote in Henry Ford article[edit]

Do you have any thoughts on my suggestion that the Himmler quote praising Ford should either be removed or have a better source for it in the Henry Ford article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Henry_Ford#Heinrich_Himmler_quote I did a google search and couldn't find any other sources for the quote, although I'll look some more. RandomScholar30 (talk) 02:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I just checked the German-language Wikipedia article on Henry Ford. In addition to the book by Armin Pfal-Traughber, it also cited a 2003 article in Graswurzelrevolution, which unfortunately cites the book by Armin Pfal-Traughber as its source. I added the Graswurzelrevolution cite to the English-language citation of that book.
I also sent an email to Pfal-Traughber asking your question. Before I did that, I asked for it on Interlibrary Loan. If we can't get a better source for that Himmler quote, I agree it should be deleted. With luck, Herr Professor Doktor Armin Pfal-Traughber will produce a solid reference for us available on the web, and I can confirm that it says what the earlier editor claimed. DavidMCEddy (talk) 03:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The Henry Ford Article seems to have a Henry Ford=Hitler Agenda, we should not whitewash his hate campaign against the Jews, but we shouldn't exaggerate it either[edit]

To me, it seems like the Henry Ford article has a Henry Ford=Hitler agenda. For example, it points out correctly that Ford is the only American mentioned by Hitler in My Struggle but fails to mention that Ford is only mentioned one time, in one sentence, a sentence that was removed from future editions. It also quotes Heinrich Himmler praising Ford, " In a letter written in 1924, Heinrich Himmler described Ford as "one of our most valuable, important, and witty fighters."" but I looked up the source, Pfal-Traughber, Armin (1993). Der antisemitisch-antifreimaurerische Verschwörungsmythos in der Weimarer Republik und im NS-Staat. Vienna: Braumüller. p. 39., [1] I have discussed it on the Ford talk page, and the source is in the German language even though wikipedia policy says it is best to avoid foreign language sources, and its also a very obscure book, there was only a snippet view of it. I do not doubt that the source says Himmer said that, because I saw Ford's name on the part of the book in the snippet view referenced in the article, page 39, but because the book is not in English and is obscure it will be difficult for wikipedia readers to verify the quote. I have searched for it online but no reliable source other than that book (which I don't know how reliable it is but I'm assuming its reliable for sake of argument) mentions the quote, although I see some a few books without sources and internet blogs quoting. We already have the sourced quote from Baldur von Schirach about Ford's influence on Nazi Anti-Judaism, which I added to the International Jew article myself when it had not been there previously, [2], so I have not acted in a way to try to cover up Ford's links with Nazis. I think that quote, because it is reliably sourced, is much more appropriate for discussing Ford's influence on Nazi Anti-Judaism than the Himmler quote. Another reason it is better is that Himmler did not mention Jews in his quote, whereas Schirach stated directly Ford's hate campaign against Jews was the reason he was influenced by Ford. There were a lot of influences on Hitler's and the Nazis' Anti-Judaism besides Ford, such as General Erich Ludendorff and philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, the simplistic no Ford no Holocaust reasoning that has been popular among some scholars like Edwin Black in my view is a mistake. RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

One section out of 10 (not counting 5 reference sections) is devoted to this. The section could doubtless be trimmed, perhaps substantially, by transferring material that could be in the articles on The Dearborn Independent and The International Jew but currently is not, and by otherwise reducing the redundancy with those articles. However, I'm reluctant to cut the Himmler reference, because Himmler is almost as well known as Hitler, and it helps illustrate the reach of Ford's reputation within the Nazi government. The quote from Baldur von Schirach's testimony at Nuremberg is valuable in this context in showing that Ford's reputation was not restricted to just the top echelons of the Nazi party. However, if we can validate that quote from Himmler, I think we should keep it.
Regarding citing foreign-language sources, if I understand Wikipedia:Attribution, it says we should worry first about having credible sources and second about having something in English. DavidMCEddy (talk) 04:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I found a better source for the quote, but my internet is slow so I cannot turn to the citation note at the back of the book, it is in this book on page 14, which is included in the preview, [3]. RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Another google books edition of the book included the citation in the preview [4] but the citation 37 didn't seem to say anything sourcing Himmler's quote. I guess this source would be an improvement over the previous one though. The title is The Business of Genocide: The SS, Slave Labor and the Concentration Camps by Michael Thad Allen. The quote from Himmler, in a slightly different version, is on page 14, the citation is numbered 37. The quote is in the first preview, but not the second, the citation is in the second but not the first. Maybe you could buy or check out the book though. RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
"So you're reading Henry Ford...one of the most worthwhile, weighty, and most spirited predecessors in our fight" is the version Allen gives of the Himmler quote. RandomScholar30 (talk) 05:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Forget what I said about the footnote not supporting the Himmler quote, the note I was looking at was number 37 but it was for a page in the 70s range, the quote was on page 14, so I have not seen the note for the quote from Himmler, that footnote must not be part of the preview. I guess citing the Himmler quote to Allen would be enough of an improvement that it can be kept in the article, although ideally I'd like to see Allen's source. RandomScholar30 (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. This book is available from Amazon for under $16 plus shipping. My local library does not have it, but they should be able to get it via interlibrary loan; I think I'll try that before I buy it. (I have more books than space ;-) Both quotes are probably correct, but it would help to find an original source. With luck, the German professor will reply. DavidMCEddy (talk) 12:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
You said "Both quotes are probably correct" but these are the quotes"So you're reading Henry Ford...one of the most worthwhile, weighty, and most spirited predecessors in our fight" "one of our most valuable, important, and witty fighters." Those are clearly different translations of the same quote. Now that I've seen the other source I agree that Himmler probably said it, but its only one quote, not two quotes. Calling it "both quotes" would be like calling James Strachey's and AA Brill's translations of Sigmund Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams "both books", it would not be correct, they're just different translations of the same quote. I'm cautioning about this so that we don't end up listing that Himmler praised Ford twice when these are actually just different translations of the same quote. RandomScholar30 (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
He also could have written similar but different things to different people. In any event, we should use only one, preferably one we can find in English but trace to the original German. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I got both Pfal-Graughber and Allen in interlibrary loan. Both cite Ackermann. Heinrich Himmler als Ideologe. p. 37.  as their source.

I've posted my latest comment in this thread back to Talk:Henry Ford#Heinrich Himmler quote. Others might be interested in it and would look there but not here. DavidMCEddy (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Edwin Black[edit]

I've complained on the eugenics talk page about the fact Edwin Black is used as a source for the article. If it is correct the Holocaust was influenced by eugenics, then a different source should be found. Black is not a mainstream source. He has blamed everyone from IBM to the Rockefeller family to Henry Ford to even Zionists for Nazism. Commentary magazine stated about Black "In various appearances before and since the publication of The Transfer Agreement, Black has hinted at a conspiracy against him by “extremist Jews” who might think—wrongly, of course—that he has endangered the future of Israel by “exposing” the story of Zionist negotiations with the Nazis. In fact the story has been told before, and often, and with infinitely greater sophistication. To the historical record Black has added conspiracy-mongering, innuendo, and sensationalism, but nothing new, and much that is both factually wrong and morally shabby."https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-transfer-agreement-by-edwin-black/ I don't think its appropriate to use Edwin Black as a source on wikipedia. I would consider him WP:FRINGE. RandomScholar30 (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't know enough about eugenics to get involved with this. I know that some of Ronald Fisher's most famous papers appeared in the Annals of Eugenics, and I know the eugenics movement was real and substantial. I know that before the Nazis went after Jews, they went after mentally handicapped -- shell shocked World War I veterans, etc. I don't know if the logic for that was eugenics or just economic: Hitler complained about "parasites", sucking the life blood of good hard working Germans.
How would it affect the article if you cut all the comments citing Black? It looks to me like that might reduce the size of the article by roughly 10 percent. It could require a bit more work to make sure the verbiage flowed without the comments you propose removing. If what you say about Black is accurate, the result would improve the article.
I suggest you allow your comments on Talk:Eugenics#Mistaken linking of eugenics with Nazi Holocaust to age a couple of days to see if anyone else replies before proceeding with changes.
Thanks for your support of Wikipedia -- and humanity, through making Wikipedia more reflective of reality. DavidMCEddy (talk) 18:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Anti-Defamation as source for Buchanan's Anti-Judaism[edit]

The Anti-Defamation League is cited as a source for Patrick Buchanan's Anti-Judaism. I think at the very least the fact that it is a group with an ideological agenda should be pointed out in the article. I'm not saying Buchanan isn't Anti-Jewish, but the ADL has labeled a lot of people Anti-Jewish who are not. So if they are used as a source I think their bias should be noted at least. They also are leftist while Buchanan is a conservative, which is a reason for them to be biased against him. RandomScholar30 (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

What article(s) are you talking about? DavidMCEddy (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The article about Patrick Buchanan for the ADL the one about eugenics for the Edwin Black complaint.RandomScholar30 (talk) 18:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not eager to get involved with the article on Pat Buchanan. I wouldn't worry about the ADL. I don't see how that part of that section is inappropriate. If I were concerned about that section, I'd want to find a better source for claims like, "Buchanan wrote that it was impossible for 850,000 Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fed into the gas chamber at Treblinka.": Statements like that should be quoted from Buchanan himself. If Shapiro and Lichtblau do not say where Buchanan said the things they claim -- and you can't find those statements in anything Buchanan wrote -- those comments should be removed.
However, as I indicated before, I don't have more time to spend on this. DavidMCEddy (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have:

  • A brief report on Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Publice Library, coordinated by Merrilee:
    What topics might we cover in a follow up?
    Find out more about resources your public library provides to help with editing (hint, it's more than just books!)
    Special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)
  • Join in on an in person Wikidojo!
    Are you curious how your peers approach writing a Wikipedia article? This exercise, pioneered by Wikipedians Nikola Kalchev and Vassia Atanassova in 2015 and conducted in many places around the world, will help us all - from first-time wiki users to veteran Wikipedians - share ideas, while building an article together. If you have ideas (relating to Bay Area history, ideally) about a new article we could build (stubs and short existing articles are fine), please submit them ahead of time to coordinator Pete Forsyth. (User talk page or email is fine.)
    Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

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REMINDER/invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29 at 6 p.m.[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco tonight!
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If you cannot join in person or want to view portions later:

We will have:

  • Light snacks, and time to mingle
  • A brief report on the Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Public Library, that was coordinated by Wiki editor Merrilee
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Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight[edit]

Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)

Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.

Also, Pete just published a writeup of the Wikidojo exercise we did last month. Your comments welcome, if he missed anything! http://wikistrategies.net/ghost-town-royals-wikidojo

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.

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Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:

  • Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, August 2016


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Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:

If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.

Here is the YouTube stream link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8V79s2-og
Here is the link to join the Hangout on Air: https://hangouts.google.com/call/ezrol7dafjfwxfh2ilpkjyxoaue

You can search for it on the Commons and YouTube later too.

Wayne, Pete, Ben, and Stephen

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Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.

Official logo of Wiki Loves Monuments

Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official dealine is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.

Wikimedia community logo (public domain)

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.


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You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:

  • Open mic for anybody who attended WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego last week and wants to share their takeaway
  • Question & answer
  • Open mic for announcements
  • Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, a stool or counter and do your own thing.

Wikimedia Community Logo.svg

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, October 2016.


PS: Mark your calendars ahead now for the 3rd Wednesday in November, the 30th (the week after Thanksgiving), at 6 p.m. when our WikiSalon will host a super awesome top secret mystery guest mingling in our midst. We will announce specifics at the upcoming WikiSalon.


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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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Good question[edit]

What I did in that edit was to assess the progress of the article on our quality scale. See WP:ASSESS for more information about our quality assessment. I assessed the article as C class so that means it has considerable editing to close gaps in content and solve cleanup problems.

So what we should be working for on the voter suppression article is to address cleanup tags at the top of the page. Then we need to address each of the criteria listed on WP:BCLASS. When (and if) that happens it can be reassessed to B class and the process continues towards Good Article and better. The Good Article nomination is more stricter and keeps a high standard for articles. It is determined by consensus not by one person as I did. The process is outlined at WP:GAN.

I hope that explains it clearly. If you have any other questions, please just ask me and I will reply here. - Shiftchange (talk) 14:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. That helps.
It leaves one question hanging: What if anything can be done to make it easier for people like me to get answers to such questions without finding someone like you to write to?
I searched for "wp:class", "Wikipedia template:{{wiki | class =" and variants and got nothing that seemed relevant to this.
It was a great boon to me when I discovered I could find documentation on many things in the Mediawiki markup language via a web search for "wikipedia template:math" or "wikipedia template:citation", etc. That trick failed utterly for me for this. DavidMCEddy (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
To search for things in the Wikipedia name space add wp: at the start of your search. wp:assess would of helped in this case. Many times when I make similar edits I add a link to the criteria in the edit summary. I will try to do that more often. Leaving a note on someone's talk page is not something bad you should avoid. I understand there is a lot to learn and like many experienced editors are happy to help out in any way. - Shiftchange (talk) 21:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Everybody is invited to the November 30 Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Details and RSVP here.


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Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.


In addition, this month we will have:

  • a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
  • spontaneous lightning talks from the floor
  • community announcements from the floor

For details and to RSVP see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, December 2016


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P.S. Any help spreading the word through social media or other avenues is most welcome! We plan to announce this on various sites and invite various groups; if you would like to join in, check our meta planning page, and please note any announcements you are sending out: meta:Monthly WikiSalon in San Francisco#Announcements and promotion

Please feel free to add to, refine, reorganize or edit the above linked page: it is a wiki!

We need more helpers and organizers, so if you see a need, please jump in, or talk to us about it! You can add your username to the meta page where appropriate, or create a new role!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi, everybody.

We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.

  • Details (RSVP suggested) here (RSVP helps us know how much food and drink to bring in)

What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.


Hope to see you there! Wayne (and Ben) - co-organizers
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