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The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016[edit]

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Ha Ha[edit]

Hi david like you i too got fooled in this conversation. In the start his talk did link to someone elses but later when he made a correction u said it now linked nowhere. Remember. We forgot that if a link led to the same page it didnt remain a link For example - User talk:David Biddulph see. His sign was correct at that time but wasnt working cuz of the thing i mentioned above. Anyway i have added #top to his sign so that it works properly now even to his own talk! Cheers and ha ha VarunFEB2003 (talk) 14:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

True. Thanks. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Welcome VarunFEB2003 (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Kaami people[edit]

Are you sure CSD A7 applies to ethnic groups? GSMR (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

No, you are right. It doesn't, as I realised when I was about to nominate a 2nd similar article for the same reason, hence I self-reverted. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I found the correct source for the article on the Nepal census website [1] and removed the PROD from that article. GSMR (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Article splitted without consensus[edit]

What should be done with Hansika Motwani filmography? It's an unauthorized split from Hansika Motwani by Tiger Gang. Ayub407talk 08:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

TransPennine Express[edit]

Stop undoing the changes I have made to correct your information. I have no idea where you are getting your information from but it is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


Well... not yet, anyway ;) Muffled Pocketed 03:57, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Chicken(meat) RfD[edit]

Hi David,

Given your involvement with reverting our old friend's completely inappropriate page move a few days ago on Chicken as food, you may want to comment on the RfD for chicken as meat here. :) GSMR (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Agree with deletion, & presumably qualifies for R3. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It has been correctly pointed out to me that R3 does not apply in this situation. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of page on Captain Vijyant ThaparRaksha57 (talk) 00:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[edit]

Caption Vijyant Thapar is vir chakra recipient and many newspapers you tube website cover him,there was no wikipage on him that's why I made this. Please help me I am new to writing.Raksha57 (talk) 00:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC) Raksha57 (talk) 00:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

The various deletion logs are at Vijayant Thapar, Vijyant Thapar, and Captain Vijyant Thapar. In each case there are wikilinks, in blue, to the relevant deletion criteria, which you need to read. There is also a link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijayant Thapar, which in turn has further links. Please also read the answers to your question at WP:Teahouse/Questions#i have created a page on Captain Vijyant Thapar, kindly help me with this page as he was a martyr in kargil war and needs recognition. The copyright problem was explained to you at User talk:Raksha57#Speedy deletion nomination of Vijyant Thapar. Furthermore you had not provided references to published reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. Before you try to create any more articles, please read WP:Your first article and the links provided therein, and if you want to create an article, don't try doing it directly in article namespace, but instead use the Article for creation process to allow your draft to be reviewed by experienced editors. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Sir, i am not an experienced writer just wish to create an informational page on Kargil War Martyr Captain Vijyant Thapar it has been more than a week and twice i have attempted to create a wikipage on him.please help me as i am not able to understand much, as to what should be done to get this.. please help me with the upload of this page, help me editing or on my behalf you could do somethingRaksha57 (talk) 07:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I have given numerous useful links above. If you do not understand these, then you probably ought not to be trying to create articles on the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi Why did you delete my addition to noteable persons in Wellington (Telford & Wrekin)? thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

In my edit summary I gave a link to WP:WTAF. I now see that an article for Tony McPhee does exist, although you didn't link to it. I have self-reverted and included the link which you had omitted. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Japanese "solicitors"[edit]

Hello! You reverted the efforts of one user:Legal8462 on the solicitor page; I have just reverted them again, and I have also reverted essentially the same stuff on judicial scrivener. This is an SPA on a Campaign, so I expect him to come back. Unfortunately I really do not know much about the solicitor/barrister division (except having grown up in England), but the shihō-shoshi is a quite distinct role, AIUI. In general there is no S/B division: the client talks directly to a bengoshi who does the representing in court. The existing paragraph under "Japan" on the solicitor page is pretty bad - can you look at it? I'm not sure where to start editing. I believe the empirical fact is that "usually", "conventionally" these people are called "jud. scriv.", but indeed "solicitor" is also sometimes used. This is not the same as that they have suddenly "become solicitors". I also wonder: do you know anything about Wikidata? I see that our user has effectively been vandalising WD by removing things he thinks shouldn't exist. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016[edit]

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The Donkey Sanctuary of Canada[edit]

This is curious. You refer to this article on The Teahouse as having a red link and yet it is blue, and when I go to its history, there's no indication it was ever deleted.

Oh, wait, the history doesn't go back as far as the date of your Teahouse response.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Vchimpanzee: It was first created at 20:09, 3 August 2016, deleted at 05:50, 4 August 2016, and recreated at 17:37, 5 August 2016. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


You're completely right, I don't know what I'm thinking. Good job you are checking. Thanks Aloneinthewild (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Jack Pearson (musician)[edit]

I am concerned and curious as to why you made so many incorrect changes on my draft of Jack Pearson? There are so many errors that I am afraid I have to completely start over and I'm not sure how to do that? Could you have asked about FACTS before doing this? Can you undo them? HELP!! musicfan (talk) 16:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Which changes of mine do you believe were incorrect, and why? Looking at the history of Draft:Jack Pearson (musician), the first edit I made was to repair a broken link, and my second edit was to revert your removal of a review comment, as such comments are left in the draft for the benefit of subsequent reviewers, but I did self-revert that change. My most recent edit was to add a comment to the effect that 3 of the 4 refs are from the subject's own website and that we need independent sources. Which of those changes do you consider "incorrect", and why? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Hi Jackguitarfan. I did make a number of changes to your draft because I thought they were improvements and brought the article more inline with Wikipedia's manual of style, etc. Normally, I am not so bold when it comes to editing the drafts of other editors, and only do so when specifically requested. FWIW, I only edited the article after I noticed some others beside yourself working on it; one of them (Jak525) even thanked me multiple times. I am assuming in good faith that you and Jak525 are not the same person, so I can go back try and undo the changes I made if you wish. Moreover, I apologize if this made a mess of your draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Well between you and Jak525 you undid a full days work and took out my words and put in direct copy from other sources - his website and magazine articles making it copyright infringement. So I have had to spend most of my day REDOING the page and formatting and inserting new information. Is it common practice for people to go in and completely redo someone else's "draft" pages? I am stunned to be honest. I have no idea who Jak525 is....? Your name was the only one that came up in my notes. Please leave it be - I've already reverted the incorrect changes. Thank you. musicfan (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Just for reference Jackguitarfan, the edits I made (here, here, here, here, here and here) had only to do with formatting of the content already in the article. I did not add/remove any content from the article. It looks like the copy violations started with the major expansion of the article you made on August 18. The only information that was removed by deleted by Diannaa seems to be content that you added yourself; none of the edits made by myself or the other editors was revision deleted. Just for reference, it's not only articles we create/edit that we do not own, but we also do do not own our userpages/drafts and they can be edited by any editor at anytime. Usually experienced editors will refrain from doing so, unless there is a serious policy violation (such as a copyright violation or WP:BLP violation) which requires immediate attention. So, I will refrain from editing your draft in the future per your request, unless there is something requiring immediate attention. If you would like to discuss this further or have any specific questions about the edits I made then feel free to do so on my user talk page or at Draft talk:Jack Pearson (musician) and I will be happy to answer them as best as I can. I've already created enough unnecessary drama here on David's user talk page, so there's no need for me to create anymore. Best of luck with your draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly ~ but the only thing I thought you were deleting, changing or correcting (pointing out) was the photo copyright issue. musicfan 05:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackguitarfan (talkcontribs)

I'd firstly like to confirm on my own end as well that I am not Jackguitarfan; rather, a new contributor who was/is simply looking to help. In this case, such help included expanding upon some things and improving on the neutral point of view - all in good faith. If it's your wish, however, I will cease editing the draft.

My apologies for any harm done. --Jak525 (talk) 06:23, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Olympic medal table[edit]

It is common practice on Olympic medal table articles to not include bronze medals until the entire event is complete. Hence, GBR's bronze in boxing should not be included until the whole event is complete. There is an ongoing discussion on the talk page as to whether this is proper. Please discuss there rather than edit war. Thanks. Smartyllama (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV 304 Airlander 10[edit]

Gnome globe current event.svg On 19 August 2016, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV 304 Airlander 10, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

ref link repetation[edit]

Same link is useful for more than one content in the article. Is there a way to name a ref and reuse it? --SmithaShanmugam (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

You presumably still haven't read Help:Referencing for beginners? The relevant section is Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
While you are there, I assume that you probably weren't the author of every webpage and newspaper article that you've quoted as references? If you weren't the author, then you shouldn't put your name in the author name fields in the citation. If you were the author of all of them you haven't really established that multiple independent sources have written about the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Was looking through that page, wanted an example, hence asked for help. and with respect to author names, got confused as wiki article author. Have already removed my name from author. Thanks for notifying. --SmithaShanmugam (talk) 18:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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August 2016[edit]

Information icon Hello! Thank you for your recent contributions to Oscar Peterson Plays George Gershwin. I did have one note for you. I am working on a maintenance project to clean up Category:Pages using infoboxes with thumbnail images. In the future, please do not use thumbnails when adding images to an infobox (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE). What does this mean? Well in the infobox, when you specify the image you wish to use, instead of doing it like this:

|image=[[File:SomeImage.jpg|thumb|Some image caption]]

Instead just supply the name of the image. So in this case you can simply do:


There will then be a separate parameter for the image caption such as |caption=Some image caption. Please note that this is a generic form message I am leaving on your page because you recently added a thumbnail to an infobox. The specific parameters for the image and caption may be different for the infobox you are using! Please consult the Template page for the infobox being used to see better documentation. Thanks!! Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


I just saw your question at VPT. Rather than delaying the archive bot any longer, I thought I'd reply here:

There is some information at m:Editing/Publish. Also, here at the English Wikipedia, I don't think that anyone has any idea how many help and introduction pages will need to be updated. However, Special:WhatLinksHere/MediaWiki:Savearticle lists pages that transclude the old label, which might make a reasonably starting point. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. It worries me that people are thinking of making such a change without having considered the consequences. I still feel that the confusion will be great, and of course others have pointed out that the confusion will be greatest when drafts are being edited, where there is a big difference between saving an updated draft and publishing the article to Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
They have considered the consequences. They've just decided that the benefit outweighs the cost (at least slightly, and only in the long term). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
That confirms that the people making the decisions don't understand. One of many decisions made with precious little input from real editors, most of whom are unaware of what's being threatened. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
My own team is entirely composed of "real editors", and several of the devs involved in this particular change are not only "real editors" with a history of thousands of edits, but even long-time admins right here at the English Wikipedia. They also understand that user documentation for new editors is a sprawling mess here at the English Wikipedia, and that consequently correcting the labels will require far more work here than at any other wiki. I think therefore that they actually do understand the costs.
As for the belief that this was decided "with precious little input from real editors", I've been told that the problem was openly discussed not only at several Wikimania events but also in the old strategy: wiki, whose sole purpose was to turn the input from real editors into a list of tasks and goals that could be achieved (remember that year-plus-long planning project back in 2009–2010?). So I've got lots of sympathy for this problem (mixed with some self-pity: several pages in said sprawling mess are maintained primarily by me), but I don't think that it is accurate to say that nobody cares or understands or listened to the editors. We can, if you want, fault them for apparently sitting on their fingers for the last five years, rather than doing it while the documentation mess was slightly smaller. However, making this change (again: this is supposedly the fourth change to this button's label) was never going to be easy, and perhaps it is only too understandable if they didn't want to upset their fellow editors with a change that requires updating so many help pages once. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


Hello Mr. Biddulph, I'd like to contest the notion that my recent edits were vandalistic. I noticed that the articles I edited weren't up to date, so, like any good Wikipedian would, I changed it. #Brexit? Isn't it a thing that happened? Thanks, JosueGSMST — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosueGSMST (talkcontribs) 23:57, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Firstly your message was misplaced. New messages are placed at the foot of a talk page. You are lucky that I noticed it. Secondly you did not sign your message, see WP:Signature. Thirdly, no. Brexit has not happened. If and when it does, relevant changes can be made to Wikipedia, but at present the UK remains part of the European Union, and it will continue to be part of Europe even after any Brexit. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXV, September 2016[edit]

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Thank you[edit]

Thanks for looking at my page. ->

I am now getting a check date value???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayhawk84 (talkcontribs) 18:15, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Another editor has corrected it by adding a space in this edit. Two other minor points. One is that new topics on a talk page go at the foot of the page, so I've moved this. The other is that a wikilink like Frank Brickey is more readable than a url like --David Biddulph (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election[edit]

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Watford Junction railway station[edit]

Re this edit and your summary, maybe it would be better to check before reverting IPs who add material in good faith. Mjroots (talk) 08:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I didn't say that the edit wasn't in good faith. I said that it was unsourced and erroneous. The derailment did not take place at 06:19, as that was when the train left Milton Keynes. Also, the train in question did not have an "engine"; it was a multiple unit. Naturally it would be reasonable to add a factually correct report with a reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


I do not understand your decision to delete my page when I provides information on topics that many people search descriminatoire I find your decision especially when the course Wiki page many are not consistent to your so-called ethics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yves Moshe Ayache (talkcontribs) 10:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid that your message is incoherent. It may be wise for you to avoid the English Wikipedia and stick to editing a Wikipedia in your own language. I took the liberty of adding a section heading, as I do not believe that you were discussing Watford Junction railway station. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I do not understand your decision to delete my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yves Moshe Ayache (talkcontribs) 11:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC) Yves Moshe Ayache (talk) 11:11, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

3RR template[edit]

Hi David,

Thank you for correcting my attempt to add a three-reverts template to NVG13DAO's talk page. It was the first time I had used this template, and I still (after further reading) don't know how to do it. I had followed the advice here which recommends "posting a {{uw-3rr}} template message on their user talk page"; and I should have realised that I should also have signed it. But how would I "subst"? Maproom (talk) 09:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Maproom: See WP:SUBST. Just type in {{subst:uw-3rr}} plus the four tildes. You can use {{subst:uw-3rr|JT LeRoy}} if you want to specify the article. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll make a not of that. Maproom (talk) 13:26, 25 September 2016 (UTC)