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LinuxInsider references brought to RSN[edit]

Hi David, I just followed up on this discussion on Knowledgebattle's talk page on WP:RSN. I pinged you there but I want to be sure you're notified. Thanks. ZackTheCardshark (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Clive Jacobs[edit]

HI David, I was wondering whether the Clive Jacobs entry referred to by Mike Walsh above is able to be re-published? Thanks Jezgibbson (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of SOBI2 page[edit]

Hi David, you deleted the page I just wanted to update the information on it. Could you please restore the page to let me update the information. Many thanks!! TrinitySu (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi David, can you please answer me. Thank you! TrinitySu (talk) 09:34, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I've restored it to draft space: Draft:SOBI2. At the moment it has no third-party references at all, and probably wouldn't survive WP:AFD; you should probably add good third-party sourcing before you move it back to mainspace - David Gerard (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


Hello, jist letting you know about this edit: [1]. I've just reverted and not taken any further action, but you could take it further if you wish. Thanks, 07:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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Waterloo train station listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Waterloo train station. Since you had some involvement with the Waterloo train station redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Useddenim (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of[edit]

Hi there,

It appears you deleted our company page. We'd like to clean it up to be more resourceful and informative - could you please change the page to a draft state so we may have the chance to address the issues?

Please respond, thanks Levelindoors (talk) 19:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)CyraCom

Deletion of draft page[edit]

Hi, I would like to address the issues with the page, could you please return it to draft stage?

Thanks Indigenus~enwiki (talk) 06:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Nahid Afrin[edit]

Hello, I saw that this page is edit protected. There's quite enough material available to source this article. Would you like to help in its creation? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

FYI - I've gone ahead and unprotected the page. Looks like circumstances have changed - she was the subject of a fatwa over one of her performances earlier this month - and I think she can now meet the notability guideline. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
yeah, no objection - David Gerard (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Delete of FrontAccounting on wiki comparison of accounting software?[edit]

(cur | prev) 21:19, 29 September 2016‎ David Gerard (talk | contribs)‎ . . (38,716 bytes) (-24)‎ . . (Removing link(s) to "Frontaccounting": rm redlink (AFDed). (TW)) (undo)

Just wondering why Frontaccounting was removed?

Janesn (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Per deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontaccounting - David Gerard (talk) 11:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Cymascope[edit]

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If the statement is significant, we can source it to an independent third party establishing its significance. You have stated that this is the primary source, we should use a secondary source instead. And everything on that site is self-published, in that they don't have any scholarly peer review, but that page especially so since it is a blog post. I cannot see why we would use a blog post at a think-tank as a primary source instead of a reliable independent secondary source, especially since we already have one of those. Guy (Help!) 07:00, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Review/change page[edit]

Hello User:David Gerard, because you have done benefiting edits to surname pages in past, was wondering if you can correct Maiorana page (look if the links are in right place or if they are even needed, and add/change written info). Here's the last version by User:Xezbeth [2]. If you can't do it then please let me know if you know some else you could, thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Ethereum Classic Page Issues[edit]

Hi User:David Gerard, I would like to know how we can improve the Ethereum Classic Page, it says we have too many 'references to primary sources', however Ethereum page has a similar amount of primary sources, yet it does not have the same issues. How can we resolve or improve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestteamever171 (talkcontribs) 22:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

The Ethereum page didn't before, but advocates keep putting the primary sources back. It needs a cleanout again.
Basically, you need to keep pretty strictly to reliable sources, third-party ones. If something about ETC isn't in a third-party source, it's almost certainly not worth noting in the article - David Gerard (talk) 22:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

The DAO Hardfork did not occur on the Ethereum Classic chain. It is stated in many of the articles cited in the page.

The 13th 4postle —Preceding undated comment added 20:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I think you should readd the sentence on the Dao fork in the opening paragraph of the Ethereum page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warzuckerberg22 (talkcontribs) 23:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposal for a page[edit]

Dear David Gerard,

As previously you have contributed to Wikipedia in regards to financial articles, would you, please, consider writing an article on Creamfinance? It is a global financial services company that provides personal finance products in emerging markets. The company was ranked as the second fastest-growing company in Europe in 2016. Creamfinance is employing over 220 people and operating in 7 countries both within and outside of Europe – Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Georgia, Denmark and Mexico with an IT office in Austria.

I believe it corresponds to the Wikipedia notability rules as it has been talked about in legitimate third party sources: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]

If you wish I have put together a first draft for the page and can send it you.

According to Wikipedia guidelines I want to underline that I am a Project Manager at Golin Riga and I have been approached by Creamfinance to help with their representation on Wikipedia. Aozolins-golin-riga (talk) 08:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hackathon to help Wikipedia 1.0[edit]

Hello! You're listed as a member of the Wikipedia 1.0 team, so I thought you might be interested in this Hackathon on August 13-18 in my home town of Potsdam, New York, right after Wikimania. Let me know if you'd like to participate. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 04:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

EWRONGCONTINENT, but cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 08:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, thanks anyway. I hoped you might be over here for Wikimania! Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Ethereum Classic[edit]

The DAO Hardfork did not occur on the Ethereum Classic chain. It is stated in many of the articles cited in the page.

It's a pretty overwhelmingly important event to the history of ETC, though ... - David Gerard (talk) 20:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Dispute resolution on Ethereum[edit]

User:David_Gerard - I hereby notify you of my request for dispute resolution regarding the lead edit on Ethereum. You know where I stand. It would be sensible for you to participate in this discussion.

Aliensyntax (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


The article you deleted, I was going to try to make it better, and I may not do it fast. Please tell me what to do with my deleted article. Thank you. Please refer to Winner 42's talk page. Also, I'm not really good with Wikipedia. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 14:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Which article? I zapped a pile of expired PRODs. I can restore it to a draft with no problems - David Gerard (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Donga Science, please.Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Draft:Donga Science. cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hypermobility syndrome[edit]

Hello David Gerard,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Hypermobility syndrome for deletion, because it appears to duplicate an existing Wikipedia article, Ehlers–Danlos syndrome.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

scope_creep (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

In case there's useful content, I've marked it for merging, or if there isn't, just redirecting - I think it's a useful article title, but should point users to the EDS page - David Gerard (talk) 15:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Art Renewal Center[edit]

Hello David,

I have an undergraduate degree in Art History from York U, and am currently doing my master's degree at Queen's. I noticed you have correctly noted that on the Art Renewal Center website, there are insufficient secondary sources. I have taken it upon myself to fix this problem that you have identified. This will take me a long time. Please assist in adding reliable sources. Also, some of the current sources are fine, but they are missing things like the author, date, publisher, etc. Perhaps you could assist in this as well. In this way, we can improve the article together.

Thank you, Art Historian (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

The above is a blocked sockpuppet on Art Renewal Center, an article in need of a serious cleanout - David Gerard (talk) 08:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Puffery in the Foresight Institute page[edit]

Hi David, I've removed some more puffery from the article. Can you please take another look, and let me know which specific areas need more cleanup? Thanks, Dandv 21:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

It's good enough I've untagged it now, nice one :-) I'll go through it more at my leisure, but it's at least OK - David Gerard (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion[edit]

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Music Releases as Sources[edit]

Hi. I understand you have deleted my article Neelix (musician), as if there are no reliable sources on that article. May I ask you a question, are music releases as a discography reliable sources? If you have a reply, please sent me a reply here or my talk page as soon as you can. Thanks. Ivan Milenin (talk) 18:27, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Usually not enough. e.g. Discogs is not a RS. You want sourcing that satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (music) - David Gerard (talk) 19:15, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
What about music releases from official label websites and stores? For example, Simon Patterson has some releases on Armada Music and on Perfecto Fluoro with a song of Whites of Her Eyes, with stores of iTunes, Beatport, Armada Music, including his own website: Could that help? Ivan Milenin (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I suggest you look over the notability guideline and ask such questions on its talk page. It's only a guideline, but it's one that people work to with pretty strong consensus - David Gerard (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Moscow Institute of Electronic Engineering (disambiguation)[edit]

This page has important discussion, could you plz restore this page and rename it into Talk:Moscow Institute of Electronic Engineering (over current redirect). Alex Spade (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Restored to that title - David Gerard (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Nassim Haramein[edit]

Hello David Gerard. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Nassim Haramein, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Page significantly different than the one deleted ten years ago. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 13:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Alejandro Rioja[edit]

Hello, I'd like you to look over this page that does not seem to meet the notability guidelines.

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Nomination of Bitcoin Magazine for deletion[edit]

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Facto Post – Issue 4 – 18 September 2017[edit]

Facto Post – Issue 4 – 18 September 2017
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IOTA (technology)[edit]

Re IOTA (technology). I just tidied up a bit, removing some unsourced/tagged stuff, and added a large number of requests for citations. Thought another pair of eyes might be helpful, should you be interested. N2e (talk) 23:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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But the question is[edit]

what kind of vodka, gin, and vermouth? Smooth alligator (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Something cheap I expect, the whole point of cocktails is to make bathtub rotgut drinkable!
(I haven't had one of those cocktails in years, I should make one again just to remind myself.) - David Gerard (talk) 21:34, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 5 – 17 October 2017[edit]

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