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Ambiguous statement[edit]

Re [1] due to the ambiguity of the indenting and the pronoun "that" I don't know what you're agreeing with. NE Ent 11:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I was responding to SergeWoodzing, who seconded my recommendation that users "read the two sections instead of relying on SergeWoodzing's account or mine." The indentation became ambiguous when Vanisaac accidentally inserted a reply above my message (instead of below it). —David Levy 12:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi there![edit]

Read your message on my talk page. No hard feelings at my end. Thanks for 'Fiona'! :) All the best to you. AnonNep (talk) 11:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you the David Levy that discovered the comet that hit Jupiter?[edit]

Shoemaker-Levy 9 (1994) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagittarian Milky Way (talkcontribs) 04:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Nope. I'm an American with no claim to fame. —David Levy 12:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas![edit]

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Merry Christmas[edit]

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Merry Christmas!!
Hello, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia! Face-smile.svg
   –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 04:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Quick note - I hope you don't mind me posting here as I know we both got rather pissed at each other months ago, Anyway on a nicer note enjoy the rest of your day :)

Hi, This is BnPerdue16, I don't know how to leave a message so I'm hoping this will work. Anyway, Stennisville is NOT a hoax. It is real. It is where Napoleon used to be before they located the settlers off the land in the 1960's for the building of Stennis Space Center. Several homeless people continue to dwell there. It is located back in a thicket next to the space center. A barbed wire fence boarders it on one side and and the highway to Pearlington borders it on the other side. The reason I know about it is because my grandfather lived there for many years, and died there. I've seen it before. The workers at the space center are unaware of it, because the highway department are the ones who allow the homeless to stay there. there is a page for Napoleon at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon,_Mississippi . It is no longer referred to as Napoleon though, it is now called Stennisville. I suggest that you delete the page for Napoleon and replace it with the page that I created. Thank you so much for contacting me, and I hope we can get this all cleared up quickly :) -Benjamin Perdue (AKA BnPerdue16), Downers Grove, IL — Preceding unsigned comment added by BnPerdue16 (talkcontribs) 17:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Vice President of Ghana[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Vice President of Ghana, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. →Enock4seth (talk) 14:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks yourself![edit]

I appreciate that you pay attention to the "forced bold lead" nonsense; it really drives me nuts. Plus the guy got it wrong, the poisoning was reported to the world press on the 11th, but occurred on the 9th. μηδείς (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, the resultant statement (that the poisoning occurred when when it was reported) was utterly nonsensical. Thanks again for reverting. —David Levy 23:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I've reverted a second time from a different user, so I added some hidden boilerplate and a comment on talk. I have also restored the pluperfect past where it was grammatically correct--it is odd how this scares people. So I ask you share the style-ogre burden and stay on top of the MOS:BOLDTITLE issue. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 03:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
You were mentioned at ANI when I asked that the IP vandal be blocked. μηδείς (talk) 18:30, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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File:Historical.png listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Historical.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Add bs.wiki to the list[edit]

Hi David. Some time ago there was a discussion about adding bs.wiki on this list. If there are no further arguments against it, could you please perform this addition? Thanks. -- Edinwiki (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. —David Levy 18:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you David. Could you also please update the template for the main page interwikis? Regards -- Edinwiki (talk) 11:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Done. My apologies for forgetting. —David Levy 15:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

O great Main Page Picture Czar...[edit]

Prokopis Pavlopoulos is the top item in ITN, and has a valid pic to go with it. Can you update? Grassy ass. --Jayron32 00:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. —David Levy 01:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
You da man... --Jayron32 01:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00pm - 9:00 pm at Barnard College, 3009 Broadway, by W 118th St

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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ITN image[edit]

I note you've updated the image to show one of the victims of the recent helicopter crash, for which thanks. But... there has been some discussion as to whether it is appropriate to highlight just one of the three notable deceased, when we have free images for all three. If the article is still pictured when you're next around could you possibly rotate in one of the other two? Many thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Indeed, I planned such a rotation (barring the addition of a new item with an image). In the past, I believe that we've usually waited about a day, so that's what I had in mind. Do you think that sooner would be better? —David Levy 23:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Excellent! I'd suggest rotating more frequently than 24 hours, if you've got the energy, to make it clear there's a rotation ongoing and reduce the likelihood of one being left out. 12 hours, perhaps -- if that works in your timezone, of course? (I really must get my head around how to protect main-page images if one isn't a Commons admin.) Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Instead of rotating the images manually, I set up some code to handle it automatically on a pseudo-random basis (with one in three odds of a particular image being displayed in a given page load). —David Levy 00:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
That's a very good solution, thank you. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Cascading protection on templates[edit]

I noticed you recently applied cascading protection to Template:In the news/random; I watch for this because cascading protection on templates is usually the wrong thing to do (details at WP:PROT#Protection of templates). In this case, it looks like you have already protected the intentional subtemplates, and further if it really does become transcluded onto Main Page then the main page's cascading protection will handle it (and do so correctly even if the template gets a /doc subpage). Is there a reason for the cascading protection on this template specifically that I'm missing? Anomie 18:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I cascaded the protection as a measure of redundancy. Did this cause some sort of harm that I'm missing?
In fact, Template:In the news/random exists purely to enable said redundancy and prevent the subpages thereof from having no immediate parent page; it isn't intended to serve any other purpose. Only the aforementioned subpages were transcluded at Main Page (via Template:In the news), and any future reuse (which is strictly hypothetical at this point) would be the same. —David Levy 23:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The harm is only that protecting a template itself doesn't always behave like people would expect.
I note that Template:Random number is currently cascade-protected thanks only to this template. Template:Mod too, but that's already fully-protected so it doesn't matter so much. Anomie 21:56, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I hadn't noticed that {{random number}}'s protection level was reduced (and I'm not sure that it should have been, but that's a separate matter). I've removed the cascading protection. —David Levy 23:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Grass[edit]

Thanks for your help re Günter Grass ITN. Sca (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment on mk.wiki topic[edit]

Hello David. Can you take a look at my commment, including statistical facts about mk.wiki. I wrote it some time ago, so I hope it will be informative. Cheers --B. Jankuloski (talk) 18:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

As you may have noticed, I've been too busy to edit lately. I promise to look over the information when I have the time. If I forget again, please whack me with a wet fish. —David Levy 19:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Odd stuff at ITN images[edit]

Hi David, thanks for all your image work at ITN, but right now, at least in Safari, I'm seeing just one image and a } in the blurb. I have no idea what that crazy "random" syntax is up to, so perhaps you could fix it? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Despite this, it's still broken as far as I'm concerned.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Drat. I was about to ask. Does it look exactly the same as before? Also, have you tried purging your cache? (If not, please click here to do it.). —David Levy 20:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Curly bracket gone, but just one image, I thought it was intended to show both images? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Due to server-side caching, the page's content isn't updated in real time. If you clear your client-side cache (an easy way being to use the "Reload this page" link in the OTD section), you should see the image change within a moment or two.
Apologies for the bracket error. I looked over and tested the code (with different results on my end, obviously) countless times, but I still managed to miss those curls. —David Levy 20:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok, bad curly bracket gone, but not seeing both images, was that the intent? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
For the record, I see either image when I reload the page a few times. It doesn't strictly alternate for me, but the two images do show somewhat randomly in succession. --Jayron32 20:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Never mind. For some reason now, the main page is only showing the man's image, while T:ITN is only showing the female image. Weird. --Jayron32 20:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Agreed, but WP:ITN is still showing a curly bracket. Perhaps we should just revert to a single normal image until we understand all this freakiness? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Did your subsequent dummy edit take care of the bracket issue on your end? —David Levy 21:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The images are alternating, but not as frequently as last time. As far as I can tell, the servers currently are slower to update transclusions (including the two that you mentioned, which happened to differ).
Nonetheless, the swaps should still result in the display of each image approximately 50% of the time. —David Levy 21:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I reversed your edit[edit]

Based on MOS:BOLDTITLE. The media is calling it the Nepal earthquake. I mentioned the seismologists reports but it is not necessary to wait for them. I don't see how we're seeing this so differently, but I certainly see how you've spent a lot of energy on this. I don't think that's necessary either; we can both relax and move on. We simply bold the titles because its the given name. That's what the MoS says to do. Like I said, there's a few cases where earthquake articles have not done this. I have seen them and have not applied bold because of a lack of coverage. This one has media talking about it with this name. Dawnseeker2000 04:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I attempted to discuss the matter with you. I spent a great deal of time writing an explanation of my position, only to receive the curt reply "I don't know where you're going with this. It's fine. Have a great night." You then explicitly confirmed that you were "dismissing [my] concern" because you were "trying to relax". Only then (after being told by you – the reverter – that my input would be ignored) did I reinstate my edit.
And now you've reverted again (and again ignored my explanation and reiterated the same argument to which it was a response). This is unacceptable. You can either comply with Wikipedia's communication standards (by addressing good-faith questions and comments, as explained on the two pages to which I linked in the talk page edit that you reverted) or you can "relax" and dismiss the matter (effectively conceding the point). You can't have it both ways. —David Levy 04:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Nothing was conceded. We're somehow interpreting MOS:BOLDTITLE exactly the opposite. My evening consisted of replying to questions that shouldn't have to be answered. The MoS says "If an article's title is a formal or widely accepted name for the subject, display it in bold as early as possible in the first sentence". After reading this, I dont understand what conversation there is to have, and felt bothered with all the banter. I feel like this is a simple item to follow and a non-issue, but here we are.
Someone recently told me that it's just about impossible to edit WP and not ruffle anyone's feathers, and that appears to be the case, though I absolutely try to avoid it. I'd rather spend my evenings in peace. Dawnseeker2000 04:40, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Please don't misunderstand. I don't mean that you changed your mind. I said that you effectively conceded the point by openly dismissing my good-faith concern. As noted above, only then did I reinstate the edit.
And please don't think that my intent was to wear you down or exploit your frustration. You expressed a desire to relax, which is perfectly reasonable. Had you written something along the lines of "I really need to rest and don't feel up to discussing this tonight. We can resume the conversation tomorrow.", I'd have had no objection. Instead, you declared that there would be no further discussion (and evidently expected this to conclude the matter, with your preferred outcome locked in).
I've attempted – in the text that you've dismissed – to explain why I disagree with your assertion that the article's title constitutes a formal or widely accepted name for the subject. (Incidentally, I wrote and proposed that portion of the guideline's language. It's somewhat amusing to be told that I've misinterpreted my own words.) —David Levy 05:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Cops article protected[edit]

Hi! I'm wondering about why Cops (TV series) article is still protected since December 12, 2014. I would like to make episodes section but I'm unable. I know I can send a request but it's just different. Why that protection? --Giacomo Sarrocco (talk) 09:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

December 12 is when I reverted a page move, which automatically transferred preexisting semi-protection from one title to the other. (That's why my name is mentioned in the log.)
A different administrator enacted the semi-protection in March 2013‎, for a reason that clearly no longer applies. Accordingly, I've removed it. —David Levy 11:02, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much! You've been very willing --Giacomo Sarrocco (talk) 12:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

June 10: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday June 10, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our next evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on our agenda: recent and upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

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7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Today's TFA[edit]

Hi David, thanks for keeping an eye on TFA. I'm sorry, I didn't understand this rationale. - Dank (push to talk) 04:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dank: My apologies for being unclear. Under several common display configurations, the text wraps below the image – only slightly, so it comes across as a glitch. Here's an example:
Those screenshots (derived via Windows 8.1) reflect the output of a full-screen Google Chrome window with the default text size at the 1920x1080 (1080p) resolution. The same or worse spillover can occur in other browsers, at some narrower resolutions, and when the window is not full-screen.
This cannot be prevented entirely, but the shorter the blurb, the less likely it is to wrap below the image. However, this is a relatively minor concern, far outweighed by the importance of preventing misunderstandings on the part of readers. I apologize if the shortened statement (which seemed unambiguous to me) was likely to convey one or more incorrect interpretations that I failed to consider. Thanks very much for spotting the problem and and undoing the edit. —David Levy 05:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Chris knows more about image issues than I do, so I'm pinging for his help with that issue. (Chris, the text that seems too long to David is 1065 chars; I typically aim for 1000 up to a max of 1250). My concern was that some readers would mentally locate both sets of incisors in the upper jaw ... my thinking (though I can't prove this) is that the 10M Main Page clickers are a very diverse group, and that I should be more explicit for them than, say, the typical reader who would pick one of our scientific articles and read all the way to the end. Glad to hear your thoughts on this. - Dank (push to talk) 12:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Re: the edit above: This is one of those situations where our lack of data on the average resolution with which people access Wikipedia is a problem. On my screen (Chrome; 1366*768), there are still six lines of text under the image. David's screen is considerably wider, leading to the issue he mentioned. People are on lower resolutions (1024 wide is common for netbooks) would have even more lines under the image, while someone on a larger display would end up with white space next to the image.
Personally, since the image was changed to a more "in your face" one, I'd have shrunk the image a bit more. 133px is generally for landscape oriented photographs which don't show up well otherwise. The current image would have been recognizable at smaller sizes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492: I'm aware that this is highly dependent on resolution and the other factors mentioned above. I'm quite mindful of this fact, so any relevant edit that I perform is based on the belief that it does more good than harm (and preferably does no harm at all). For example, I typically investigate reducing a section's length "to improve main page balance" when either the right- or left-hand column appears much longer than the other on my end, and I don't do so until after checking multiple configurations and ensuring that the opposite imbalance doesn't exist among them. Then I'm conservative in what I remove/add, typically leaving some (but less) of the original lopsidedness on my end (due to the likelihood that the change will be more significant for some users).
In the instance discussed above, the blurb was on the wrap-around cusp (making it likely to spill over only slightly, which is what resembles a layout glitch) for many users at my resolution and others with similar widths. I performed the edit on the basis that it would be beneficial in that circumstance and neutral for those with higher or lower resolutions (or a comparable disparity stemming from the other factors noted above). This, of course, relied on the premise that the trimmed sentence remained unambiguous.
Regarding the image, I used the 128x128px dimensions (by which the losslessly-cropped image's native 1024x1024px dimensions are evenly divisible, which theoretically maximizes the scaling's accuracy) to maintain approximately the same sizing that I found.
To provide a bit of backstory, I'll note that we settled on 100px as the page's default maximum image width (excluding TFP, obviously) in the interest of preventing the one-sentence blurbs present in ITN, DYK and OTD from being squeezed into narrow columns at lower resolutions. Later, we adopted a matching default image height to prevent portrait-oriented thumbnails from being wildly larger than their landscape-oriented counterparts. TFA always has received additional leeway, due to the section's editorial significance and its paragraph-based formatting. Notably, we never adopted the aforementioned 100px default maximum height at TFA, so portrait-oriented images routinely appear as substantially larger thumbnails than those of the other sections. For example, we began the month with a thumbnail measuring 100x166px – 16,600 square pixels. (The current image, at 128x128px, comprises 16,384 square pixels.) But I agree that 100x100px would be fine, so I'll go ahead and change it for the remainder of the day. —David Levy 17:55/18:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • The part about screen resolutions was more for Dank, actually; I recognized that, with the stuff you often do on the MP, you were certainly aware of the issue. Sorry I was unclear.
Re: image size. Tower House used the default size, so I'm not quite sure if it's directly comparable. Although the number of pixels remained the same, the dimensions were different enough that they may have had an effect on the line breaking. Anywho, any more discussion would be purely theoretical, since the image will be off the main page in less than an hour. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492: You mentioned "David's screen", so I knew that you were addressing Dank. I just like to be thorough – or verbose, as I'm often reminded.  :)
Regarding the image, I'm sorry that I was unclear. I wasn't referring to the potential effects on line breaking. I was responding to your comments regarding the presentation of the image itself – specifically, sizing the thumbnail to show up well and ensure that its subject is recognizable. In the Tower House example, 75x125px would have accomplished that (and even 60x100px may have been acceptable, though that's a bit on the small side). But yes, there certainly are other factors to consider. —David Levy 00:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Hmmm... in the future I'll try and play with image sizes, to avoid having them too big or small. Might be better than "one size sorta fits all". We've been using individually determined sizes for POTD since mid-2013, I believe. I forget when I made the shift. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492: As a rule of thumb, a maximum size of roughly 10,000 square pixels (100x100px, 125x80px, 75x133px, etc.) usually works well. But given TFA's format (a single paragraph, included for only one day and almost never repeated) and the achievement that it reflects, I think that it's okay to go a bit beyond what's sufficient. —David Levy 04:40, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Formal titles[edit]

The uppercase "P" is correct, per our house style.

– This is contrary to (U.S., at least) media style and has been for decades. Perhaps our house style should be changed. AP Stylebook:
president Capitalize president only as a formal title before one or more names: President Obama, Presidents Clinton and Bush.
Lowercase in all other uses: The president said today. He is running for president. Lincoln was president during the civil war.
Of course the same rules apply to other formal titles. Sca (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware that our house style differs from that of most style guides (in the U.S., at least), though not in a respect evident in any of the quoted examples.
I don't know whether the convention varies elsewhere. If so, this is one of several circumstances in which we adhere to a project-wide style instead of varying it by English variety. —David Levy 13:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Do British pubs always capitalize president or other formal titles? Sca (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I feel as though I'm missing some sort of joke. —David Levy 17:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

ITN image of Blatter[edit]

Curious why you changed the image from the original taken in 2013 to an older one from 2007. Though the updated file is named File:2014 FIFA Announcement (Joseph Blatter) 6.jpg, it is actually a 2007 photo from an announcement for the 2014 World Cup. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

In the past, we've received complaints about incongruously displaying photographs of people smiling in conjunction with blurbs about negative events in their lives.
In this instance, it's tempting to use an image like this, this or this, Sadly, the pursuit of neutrality isn't always compatible with that of amusement. So I selected a photo in which Blatter appears dignified (and in which he's facing frame-left, which is a plus). —David Levy 01:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
He won the election and was not fired. That's worth smiling :-)—Bagumba (talk) 01:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Yangtze[edit]

Surely you don't attribute fallibility to my intuition? Face-grin.svg Sca (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
[icon appended 00:42, 6 June 2015‎ (UTC)]

In the statement to which you've referred, "this" = "the premise that U.S. readers are relatively unfamiliar with the Yangtze". —David Levy 17:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Horse Racimg[edit]

For a minute and 25 seconds American Pharoah was the best racimg horse out there! Face-smile.svg EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. Unpleasant things happen when my trusty red squiggle fails to appear. Face-smile.svgDavid Levy 02:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

TFL images[edit]

Yes, David, I am getting your messages. I'm trying to do the best I can at TFL, but I do make mistakes from time to time despite my best efforts. Thank you for cleaning up after me, and I'll try to be more careful with the photo parentheses from now on. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Template:TFAVIDEO[edit]

Can you please explain what this monster of a template is trying to achieve ? It's humongous and it's breaking videos on the mobile website version... If I know what it's purpose is, maybe I can help. See also phab:T101708TheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Given your tone, I'm tempted to inform you that my "idiocy" prevents me from formulating a cogent response.
Instead, I'll note that the template is essentially a combination of {{TFAIMAGE}} (whose place it took today) and {{plain image with caption}} (which may have been the problem's source). I just removed the template (after confirming that this would eliminate the display issue). —David Levy 19:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I never said it was your idiocy, i pretty much expected that it was copied idiocy :) What functionality do you need ?, just a 'plaintext' caption underneath the video ? —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 19:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, along with a fix for whatever problem still exists (see below). —David Levy 19:28, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Actually, with the current revision (containing the content of {{TFAIMAGE}} with thumbnail formatting and a timecode specified for the still frame), I'm still seeing some overlap in my mobile browser (despite the mobile version generating properly in my desktop browser). If you know how to fix it, that would be appreciated. I have no idea, as I've simply deployed others' code (which is beyond my full understanding) —David Levy 19:28, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I've started a simpler version in Template:TFAVIDEO/sandbox. The remaining issue you were seeing is due to the negative margins on the mp-tfa-img element. These negative margins are probably added to 'reduce' the standard margins on desktop around images, but mobile inline videos have no such margins to begin with.... TFA Images have similar problems, but they are not as visible I suspect.. I've implemented that slightly differently in the sandbox version. The params are 1: file, 2: size, 3:caption, thumbtime. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 20:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
That seems like an improvement. Kaldari (talk) 20:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
That appears to have done the trick. Thanks! Would {{TFAIMAGE}} and/or the other main page sections' transclusions benefit from such a change? —David Levy 20:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Good. TFAIMAGE is using some different techniques (mostly because it doesn't require a caption), and it seems it does not require this kind of change right now. I've also added some documentation to the {{ TFAVIDEO }} template. And I have done some cleanup on {{Plain image with caption}} as well, because that was a really bad example, especially for something from only 2010. :) —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
All of the above is sincerely appreciated. Thanks again! —David Levy 21:55, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Example[edit]

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The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

July 8: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday July 8, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on a review of past and upcoming editathons, including Black Lunch Table Editathon @ MoMA on July 13.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for correcting licensing info[edit]

Thanks for helping out at the Falcon 9 explosion page. I was about to correct it and you came first. --Fazbear7891 (talk) 03:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC) LGBT flag square.svg

ITN numbers[edit]

Hi David, yesterday you changed all the numbers to words, today you changed them all to numerals. What's your guidance on how we could be more consistent? Stephen 07:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Per MOS:NUMERAL, consistency is desirable when dealing with comparable quantities (human death counts, in this instance). For explanatory purposes, four scenarios are possible:
A) If all are ≥ 10 and all are expressible in one or two words, neither format is preferable.
B) If any are < 10 and all are expressible in one or two words, words are preferable.
C) If all are ≥ 10 and any are not expressible in one or two words, numerals are preferable.
D) If any are < 10 and any are not expressible in one or two words, numerals are preferable. (Single-digit numerals are considered acceptable in that context. So are spelled-out numbers expressed in more than two words, but the community seems to regard the latter as the greater of two evils – in part because the MoS doesn't permit the "and" construct that many people prefer.)
Yesterday, an update increased a blurb's death count from "more than 140" to "more than 200"/"more than two hundred", resulting in scenario B. Today, a new blurb restored "140" to the mix (coincidentally), resulting in scenario D.
For practical purposes, this can be simplified greatly.
  • If any of the comparable quantities are not expressible in one or two words, use numerals for all of them. Otherwise:
  • If any of the comparable quantities are lower than 10, use words for all of them.
  • If neither rule applies, use numerals or words (not a combination of both) for all comparable quantities. —David Levy 10:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Prosecutor General[edit]

Hi David, no great issue but why shouldn't this be capitalised? I looked at analogies, like United States Attorney General and Prosecutor General of Russia and other sources which note the AG as fully capitalised, so why should the Egyptian position be any different? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Per MOS:JOBTITLES, we style such a term in lowercase when it's used generically. ("Hisham Barakat, Egypt's prosecutor general" is analogous to the example "Mitterrand was the French president". This wording is appropriate, given the link's generic target.)
We capitalize it when it precedes the relevant person's name ("Prosecutor General Hisham Barakat") or appears as part of a formal title ("Prosecutor General of Egypt"). We also capitalize it if it's "used to refer to a specific and obvious person as a substitute for their name", but that's more likely to apply in cases along the lines of "the Queen" or "the Prime Minister". —David Levy 21:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunday August 2: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

Sunday August 2, 1-7pm: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–7pm - come by any time! @ Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance (Prospect Park West and 15th St), immediately on the lawn to your left as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
Subway: NYCS-bull-trans-F.svg NYCS-bull-trans-G.svg to 15th Street – Prospect Park (IND Culver Line)

We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

(Bonus event: WikiWednesday Salon @ Babycastles - Wednedsay, August 19)

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T:ITN[edit]

So it's a new consensus format? I assumed that it had gotten updated by someone who wasn't familiar with the Main Page's normal working and added a caption as in an article, instead of the Main Page standard of (pictured). People are always so picky about where the italics go (italicise the parentheses, don't italicise the parentheses), and I can't remember, so I just skip them entirely and wait for someone else to add them. Nyttend (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that; I was completely unaware of the discussion. Thanks for helping me understand. I don't watch Talk:MP and don't remember the last time I participated in any discussions about it, aside from WP:ERRORS. Nyttend (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

August 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday August 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
Wikimedia New York City logo.svg
Statue-of-liberty tysto.jpg

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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Please remove "cascading" protection from Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Protection[edit]

Please remove "cascading" protection from Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Protection. As of April 2013, it is marked as historical so it may not need any protection at all.

In April 2013 you protected it and added "cascading" protection, which effectively fully-protects Template:Historical. Normally that template would only be semi-protected. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. Apologies for the oversight. —David Levy 01:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

ITN images[edit]

Hi David, just a note to say thanks to you and The Rambling Man for working out the new method of adding images to ITN. Much, much easier than a local upload. Cheers, Stephen 23:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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I agree completely. Have one of these things, and thank you. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)