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This page contains old discussion from my talk page. I move stuff here after about a year.

Do not add any new comments to this page. I won't notice them. Use my main talk page instead.



Hello there Dcljr, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. BTW, nice work in the statistics section esp. outlier. Cheers! --maveric149

Format of Suggested Religion Outline: Thanks![edit]

Thanks for your suggestion on the format of my draft outline in Talk:Religion#Discussion of Re-organization of Religion. I think I did what you suggested. By the way, welcome to Wikipedia, the nerve center of the civilized world! I see that Mav's welcome was back in 2002; so welcome again in 2004! --Rednblu 04:56, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sexual slang[edit]

Isn't anal intercourse a form of sexual intercourse? Secretlondon 04:26, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

yes that looks fine. Secretlondon 04:48, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for the note. Hyacinth 06:52, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You're doing great work on the Sexual slang article. Your reorganizations have made the article a great read and very worthy of the Wikipedia. -- Stevietheman 14:03, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I made it a subtitle. I didn't want it to appear that I was disagreeing with "encyclopedization" or that you're edits weren't, so I gave it a new header. What I did was make it a subsection, feel free to change the format to your suggestion if you think that will be more clear. Thanks for the message and happy editing. Hyacinth 02:52, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In progress[edit]

Currently (August 2004) working on: User:Dcljr/Statistics - dcljr

Moved info about current projects to User:Dcljr. - dcljr 23:21, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

External Links[edit]

Hi Dcjlr,

Don't use external links where we want Wikipedia links

The basic concept is that we want an in-line text link to point to another Wikipedia article, not an external article, the exception when we link with the [1] style, which shows it is a reference link. Cheers! Cecropia | Talk 21:26, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Moving (Renaming) articles[edit]

When you want to rename an article, please use the "move" tab at the top of your screen. Doing it that way ensures that the edit history remains with the article. When you cut and paste the entire article, the history stays with the old article name. olderwiser 23:09, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

list of publications in science[edit]

Hi dcljr,

I accept the changes you suggested. It does look better. Actually, the first format was a table, which was much worse. It seems that I have a gift for choosing bad designs. I won't have time to work on the lists in the near future, so feel free to make the changes.

Templates seem to be a good idea but I'm not familiar with them. How can we use them?

Thanks, APH 05:09, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)


<nowiki>&</nowiki> does not work, e.g. <nowiki>&</nowiki>lt; gives <

--Patrick 08:22, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Clinton note[edit]

Thanks for the note on the Clinton article. I'll leave it to other editors to fix anything that seems inappropriate. Acsenray 20:07, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't know whether you noticed -- seems like someone did object mightily to my addition (as you predicted!). I did some rewriting to tone it down and requested comments. I've inserted the changes into the article, but no one has said anything yet. (There seems to be a firestorm over the quote section right now.) Anyway, I was wondering whether you might want to take a peek. Acsenray 17:37, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

List of albums[edit]

Hi. The albums haven't disappeared. They've just moved to subpages. For example, the ones starting with A are now at List of albums (A). I don't see any reason to revert this. Angela. 16:44, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for the compliments. I just redrew stuff I found on the internet. One of these days I will actually try to understand it ;-) -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:28, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re:Removal of Supreme Court decision[edit]

I deleted the source text from the article because it does not belong there and I knew that anyone interested in transwikiing it would be able to find it in the history. - SimonP 15:57, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)
FYI: I've moved the text of the decision to Wikisource:Boynton v. Virginia. - dcljr 06:10, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Cross namespace links[edit]

Not all of the mirrors and forks of Wikipedia copy the other namespaces. If you link to the Wikipedia namespace from the main namespace using an internal link, this link will be broken on other sites. If you use the full URL, this won't be a problem. See also Wikipedia:Avoid self references. Angela. 13:23, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)

Pattern language[edit]

Hi there, I stumbled across the pattern language article you marked for attention, and it made puppy dog eyes at me until I took pity on it and became a member in order to give it some love. ;) Anyway, I think it is now somewhat clearer, though I suspect some of the content should be moved to design pattern. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Wordie 17:50, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Albert Einstein info[edit]

Hey Dcljr, thanks for the Albert Einstein info on my talk page. Jay 13:15, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Japanese actors and actresses[edit]

Hi Dcljr, No opinion on which of the two categories (Category:Japanese actors and actresses and Category:Japanese actors) should be merged into the other. Just makes sense to have one of them be the focal point for efforts. Fg2 22:39, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

It's not yours[edit]

Nathan, it looks like you need to get past the idea that articles you create are "your" articles. They are not. They are Wikipedia articles that can be edited by any user or visitor to Wikipedia. (See the bold text under the edit box when editing any page: "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it.") OTOH, I understand your frustration about your "plans" for articles being disrupted, so to avoid such problems why don't you just create articles that you'll be developing over a period of time as subpages of your user page, as I have for a few articles I'm working on. If it's under your user page, you have an absolute right, as I see it, to revert any unwanted edits. If it's in the main article namespace, however, you really don't have any standing to consider your vision for the article to be the only allowable one. - dcljr 18:35, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)Retrieved from ""

It's not an issue of territory. It's a matter of common sense and courtesy that the author of an article which is clearly "under construction" should not have to deal with massive changes to his or her fledgling efforts within minutes or hours of a first draft--especially without discussion.
Those who believe that clobbering a new article falls under the "edited mercilessly" should be prepared to have their edits "edited mercilessly" by reversion then, correct? What's sauce for the goose.--NathanHawking 21:24, 2004 Oct 30 (UTC)


I saw your village pump article about all human knowledge. If you want to save knowledge from being deleted you may want to join: Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians. I also have an idea that deletion votes should occur once a year, and things that are nonvandalism that gets 'deleted' should be moved to another Wiki, someone called it Wikitrivia (trivial stuff that is human knowledge but not 'encyclopedic' what ever that means :)). --ShaunMacPherson 03:35, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Culture of Greece[edit]

Culture of Greece is this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Admin nomination[edit]

Hello. You aren't an administrator but I think you ought to be. I will nominate you if you like. You may reply here or on my talk page. Regards & happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 16:12, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, well, thank you for the thought, but I'm not sure I really want to be able to do any of the things admins can do. Recently I've been slowly branching out into more maintenance-related activities, but I think I should get more experience before I get into administrative activities. For now I'm happy to be just an active user. Maybe later this year I'll feel differently. Thanks again... - dcljr 20:17, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
OK, no problem. Let me know if you ever change your mind, and in the meantime, keep up the good work. Happy edits, Wile E. Heresiarch 09:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Revised intro for statistics[edit]

Hi again. I saw your proposal to revise the statistics intro section. It doesn't look like you actually carried out that plan -- I'd like to encourage you to go ahead since it's a definite improvement. Looks like the rest of the article would benefit from your attention too. For what it's worth, Wile E. Heresiarch 16:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Will respond to this in a bit... - dcljr 20:20, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Urgh... every time I try to respond, Wikipedia goes down or I run out of time. Short version: I kinda got scared away by the discussion I had on the talk page. I just plain don't agree that statistics has nothing to do with uncertainty or samples! Want to develop something more substantive before I throw it to the wolves. ;-) - dcljr 18:30, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

tagging articles[edit]

Please put templates like {{expansion}} that only are useful to editors, on talk pages (the only exception I can think of would be the different stub templates). Thank you. :) --mav 08:45, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


I have put Template:Translate on WP:TFD. It was created because links to Google translations didn't used to work, but now they do, which makes the templates unecessary. More details on the problem it was created to solve can be seen in the discussion of bug 361. Angela. 15:57, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Should be OK[edit]

You can fix them or not fix them. I don't think anyone will get upset :-) Ta bu shi da yu 21:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)


I've introduced an article for distribution function, which was formerly a redirect to cumulative distribution function. (The concepts are related, but distinct. You may want to update your link.)

If you use the "what links here" button to see what points to distribution function, all the links should currently be physics links. I manually redirected all the current pages that had a statistical subject so that they pointed to cumulative distribution function directly - although I'm not sure if that's the intended reference in all cases. (Some may want probability density function instead.) I also posted a note on talk:cumulative distribution function. As for your suggestion of a disambiguation page, I don't know how to make one, and settled for making the first line of distribution function a note on the topic, with pointers to a couple of other topics that might have the same name. (Oh, and I usually remember to sign my messages. Sorry for the extra legwork you had to do to find me.)SMesser 13:47, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Is Image:BerryEsseenTheoremCDFGraphExample.png, which you claim to have created, licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License? --Ellmist 19:49, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. Have a nice day. --Ellmist 23:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Discussion moved to Image talk:BerryEsseenTheoremCDFGraphExample.png#Copyright.

(above remark by Ellmist - dcljr)

It appears you have copied my comments back to your talk page. I won't move them in the future. --Ellmist 20:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Milestone statistics[edit]

Thanks for your work on the milestone statistics!

You wrote: "I couldn't check Guarani, Hindi and Kannada because I don't have the right fonts on this computer." I'm sorry to hear that. I have those fonts, so I'll check those languages for you. Have a great day! David Cannon 22:24, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki Madness[edit]

Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I do try to update that list periodically - once a month, on average. In general, I don't list a wiki on that list until it becomes active, even though I may have opened an account on it. Yes, there are wikis on which I don't have counters. I DID have counters, but once in a blue moon some do-gooder sees a counter, and nothing else, on one of my user pages, thinks some crank must have put it there, and removes it. From time to time I discover the odd one. Thank you for giving me a list of the ones where you found the counter to be missing - I'll fix them now.

The depreciated wikis (Serbo-Croatian, Moldovan, and Tokipona) - I've kept the first two because there are still a few enthusiasts who are trying to keep the first one going (despite its split), there's a debate about separating Moldovan from Romanian (with some nationalists arguing that as it can be written in the cyrillic alphabet, it should qualify as a separate language, much as Hindi differs from Urdu), and Tokipona is still occupying space on the Wikimedia server, despite its having been officially shut down.

My basic reason for making that list was to have a quick and easy way to check the statistics of each language once a month, as I am one of the volunteers looking after the Wikipedia:Multilingual statistics tables. David Cannon 11:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interlanguage links on user pages[edit]

It's not discouraged at all . The only reason I don't do on the English Wikipedia it is to deter vandals from vandalising my user page on wikis I don't watch that often. I do use those links on other Wikipedias though since it's an easy way to get from one wiki to related languages. See af:Gebruiker:Angela for example, which links to other African language Wikipedias . Angela.

New messages alert on subpages?[edit]

Note: Discussion below originally appeared on a talk sub-page. - dcljr

Did you get a "You have new messages" alert? FreplySpang (talk) 23:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No. Bummer. Thanks though. - dcljr 00:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Note: This experiment verified that a message left on a subpage of a user's talk page does not generate a "new messages" alert for that user. - dcljr

Removed remark[edit]

Sorry about that, but it seemed to me that it was a rather silly remark in response to an otherwise serious discussion. What exactly was your point there? Radiant_* 10:14, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Table question[edit]

Hi, thanks for the great table tutorial. Now I have a great looking table (see it here if you're interested Talk:Myxobolus cerebralis), but I don't know how to get the article text to wrap around it, could you tell me how? Thanks --nixie 04:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)


Sorry for the confusion - I need to better organize it, so that the links to the subordinate pages is clearer. I thought it was rather cumbersome as it was, and that the split was reasonable along those lines, allowing also for some added development. Thanks -SV|t 21:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Stub template weirdness[edit]

I notice you created {{Template:Compu-network-stub}}. I can't figure out why the "expanding it" link is screwed up in this article I just added the tag to. - dcljr 09:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I can figure out why, but the fix probably isn't easy. When you write RFC 3377, it gets turned into a link; that seems to be badly iteracting with the link on the template (which is // — take a look at the wiki markup for that), and closing the [] before it should be closed. You should talk about it to the Wikiproject stub sorting people — that code came from Template:metastub (it was copied to Template:compu-network-stub via subst:). --cesarb 12:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
FYI, this phenomenon has already been submitted to MediaZilla as a page-rendering bug. - dcljr 03:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Do you have the bug #? I want to add myself to its CC: list to monitor its progress. --cesarb 11:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
It's Bug 1344. - dcljr 17:18, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the head's up re naming the WikiJunior project. I really like KikiWiki or Kikipedia. Trödel|talk 02:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:2000 by month[edit]

I created the category in imitation of Category:2001 by month - if that's been deleted, I've got no objection to 2000 by month following it. Warofdreams 09:10, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

LDS title[edit]

I have no problem with changing the title. I was sticking to earlier conventions. Would you like to bring this up on the project page? (WikiProject Latter Day Saint) Jgardner 18:09, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Colonial Governors[edit]

You got me just in time because I am about to leave Wikipedia to go on a long trip. I will work on the page, though I will probably not have time to verify every single colony/territory. However, I will definitely work on it and make some updates. By the way, I noticed that you posted a message to the talk page of User:Gzornenplatz. For a variety of complicated reasons, Gzornenplatz has been banned from Wikipedia, so he won't be coming to help with the page. Academic Challenger 05:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The War of the Worlds[edit]

I certainly have no problem with you moving the talk page it is probably something I should of done myself but I was unsure about merging/moving talks at that time. Although an interesting subject I have not great investment in the article I just do merges as a simple way to improve wiki in general.MeltBanana 13:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template for deletion[edit]

Thanks. I havn't listed anything for deletion and I don't know the procedure for it - I assumed that if it was difficult I shouldn't be doing it and if it was easy then it wouldn't be much of a burden. Thanks again :) –MT 1 July 2005 16:24 (UTC) --> 50.000[edit]

If you don't believe, see here. Bye SγωΩηΣ tαlk 5 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)

CfD on 2005/2004 news[edit]

Hmmm. OK, thanks for letting me know. I think, though, that seeing as the debate appears to have gone cold, I might just leave it there as I'm not convinced by the reasonings given. Additionally, I'm not sure of the policy on re-creating a deleted cat; does it go to VfU? I've watchlisted the talk page for now, though. -Splash 17:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so, since undeleting the category won't put any articles in it. I assume you'd just re-create the category and re-categorize the pages that used to be in there. - dcljr 18:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable, thanks. Still, since the discussion you mentioned has gone cold it's probably best not to stir it up again. -Splash 18:54, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Majority Report and Projects[edit]

Nice edits on The Majority Report. I'm working on a couple of Wikiprojects, 1) Wikipedia:WikiProject Journalism and 2) Wikipedia:WikiProject Media; both are relatively new and need more editors, maybe you might have a look. Calicocat 03:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but I've kind of avoided getting into any WikiProjects up to this point. Besides, those aren't the areas I'm most interested in, so I probably wouldn't be very involved in them anyway. Good luck, though... - dcljr 04:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Table Question[edit]

Hi Dcljr, I wonder if you could answer a question. I saw your user page explaining tables, which is very cool. Since you appear to be an expert on these matters, I wonder if you could tell me how to center align the contents of a cell using wiki table markup. The numbers across the top of the periodic table of elements should be centered, so they appear to line up correctly, which they do not currently. -asx-

There are several ways, but the easiest in this case is just to use header cells, which are automatically centered and in bold, by using "!" instead of "|" at the beginning of those lines. I've made this change to Periodic table (standard), so you can check out the difference between versions to see what I did. - dcljr 06:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Another way, if you just want the alignment and not bold text, is to use align="center", which can be applied to a single cell or a whole row (see my Alignment, width and height example). Unfortunately, the commentary on that page hasn't really been finished as I lost interest after a while. My initial inspiration, the horrible state of table wiki code documentation, has been partially remedied now. It's still kinda rough, though... - dcljr 07:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Cool, thank you very much! I'll have to read up on wiki rules. I'm an old hand with HTML, but don't know wiki code very well... Thanks again, -asx- 16:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Rove "talk" archive[edit]

All's well that ends with a good archive. :-) See comment in Rove Talk section as well. Thanks for helping it get done and, again, I'm sorry if I sounded a bit short and thanks for the message. Calicocat 22:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Traitor!!! ;-) The article is now protected mostly due to some Anon user going crazy. I've tried to follow the model you set up for doing the housekeeping on the article. I have more hope for Plame affair, which is still going along rather well; any input there would be welcome. My best, Calicocat 05:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

problem with tables in mozilla[edit]

when i draw tables n arabic/urdu the context of the table tends to appear opposite to the table. example ur:Template:Infobox Governor this problem is only with mozilla ,ie works fine help me please WiseSabre 03:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The problem is probably that Arabic is written right-to-left instead of left-to-right. Do you have the same problem in Hebrew (Sandbox at Hebrew wiki)? Sorry, I don't know how to fix this problem, but you can probably ask about it at m:Help talk:Table or m:Meta:Babel. - dcljr 05:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Multilingual statistics[edit]

Hi there! I haven't had time to upload them yet - will try to get around to it in the next 48 hours. I've downloaded them. I do that manually - on the first day of every month, I manually check all 200 Wikipedias. I then put the stats in a microsoft excel spreadsheet, compute them, and copy the data to the relevant tables. You'll see the results over the weekend :-) David Cannon 21:24, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Latter Day Saint Movement[edit]

Don't get discouraged -- things sometimes move erraticly in the project, sometimes very slowly and then we all hurry up and do things. Several of our more active contributors are on extended breaks from Wiki, including the originator of the decade pages -- and we are all looking forward to their return. The project conventions on LDS related names had been decided before I've arrived, but there have been some variants discussed and used while I've been here. I suspect that the editor/group will probably make some changes, particularly in the decade pages.

And, by the way, why aren't you a member of the project? There is always plenty of work to do, and we welcome all types of Latter Day Saints as well as people from other backgrounds. Please think about it. I would look forward to working with you. WBardwin 01:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Science pearls[edit]


Since you contributed in the past to the publications’ lists, I thought that you might be interested in this new project. I’ll be glad if you will continue contributing. Thanks,APH 10:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


i'm really very very sorry. i didnt followed the post, at that time i was very new to wikipedia.
RTL languages sure have problems in mozilla this page also has problem in mozilla. some times text seems to be out of order and tables inverted (i couldnt find any table hebrew wiki). الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 17:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


On David B. Harmony, I'm pretty sure I was going to flesh that out and got distracted. I'll go back and add more. For naval officers, I tend to add an article if they were included in Appleton's (, figuring if they were notable enough for them.... Thanks for reminding me that I need to work on his article. Jinian 17:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Can you take a look at "fair comment"?[edit]

Especially since you are a math tutor it would be intereting to have your thought on this.

In my 3rd observation I point out logical inconsistantcies in the last paragraph of the newest version.

As you can see the atmosphere in this talkpage is quite charged but if you can make some comments on the validity of my observations it would help the article tremendously.

I will not make changes on the article itself. In fact I never edited the article after I created it.

The creation of the article came as a byproduct in my efforts in a diskussion on another article to establish that "fair comment" is a legal term. I was subsequently accused of mischaracterising the actual meaning of "fair comment"... In the post I have linked I also defend myself against this allegation therefore it is not essential for you to actually read the whole post.

Just a comment if my logic was flawed would be enough (and why of course)...

Thank you in advance

--Zirkon 12:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, since (1) I don't know anything about the topic, (2) it is a very long talk page that I'd rather not try to read and understand in its entirety, and (3) you've asked for and received comments from others already, I'd rather not get involved. I hope others can help. - dcljr 21:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

ISO 3166-1[edit]

Feel free to add your support to get the ISO 3166-1 nominated in the featured lists: click here. Bart l 18:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the note, DCL. Your page looks good to me. It looks like I started my page, but never finished it or bothered to connect it to the other pages. Sometimes that happens, I start a page and then get called back to real life. I'm not sure what Wikipedia's policy is on naming disambiguation pages. I tend to like the word disambiguation in the title so that there is no mistaking what kind of page it is. So if you want to use the disambiguation page title, then just delete my stuff. I assume you've checked to see if I found any that you didn't. I looked yours over; it looks complete. Good work. SDC 02:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

If the convention is not to use "disambiguation" in the title, then go with that. For me, I prefer to have it there, but this is hardly a big point. Also, do you think it's a good idea to mention the last name Woodard? I got tripped up on that one once when I was looking up Alfre Woodard. If you go with your page title, to be thorough, you'd want to delete the disambiguation page. But it would be easier just to redirect for now. I'll leave it to you. SDC 03:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Golden Raspberry Awards[edit]

I'm not sure exactly what you want me to do here. I don't think it would be an improvement to use a sort key to put all the articles under "Golden Raspberry" instead of "19xx Golden Raspberry".-gadfium 01:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

(my reply) ...Not in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards itself, but in Category:1980, Category:1981, etc. Like I said, if this has already been done, nevermind. - dcljr 01:40, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for being obtuse. All but a few did use a sort key, and I've fixed those that didn't.-gadfium 01:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Years in archaeology[edit]

Hi Dcjlr I created that category in rather a hurry to clear out the year articles that were clogging up Category:Archaeology. I'm sorry to say I wasn't aware of the conventions you linked to. I will add that to my mental list of things to do, but given that changing them doesn't add any new information to the wiki and given what a pain it was to re-categorise them all in the first place, I'm afraid it's not something I see as a priority at the moment. Are there no plans to automate category management on the wiki, because it is sorely needed? adamsan 22:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Please comment on the current Math Collaboration of the Week[edit]

hello Dcljr - since you listed statistics as an interest in your user talk, I was hoping you could lend your expertise to the current Mathematics Collaboration of the Week: Multiple Comparisons. Obviously it's a interesting and important topic. We are also in the midst of a discussion as to the distinction between multiple comparisons and multiple testing. Your thoughts would be much appreciated. Let's get another math article up on the front page! Thanks for any help. Debivort 10:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Noinclude on Milestone statistics page[edit]

Can you please explain the purpose of the "noinclude" part of this line

<noinclude>[[fr:modèle:Statistiques des Wikipédias]]</noinclude>

which you added to Wikipedia:Milestone statistics? - dcljr 06:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

This is an Interlanguage links. "Noinclude" prevents the link to be displayed when the page is included, for example here : Wikipedia:Multilingual_statistics#Number_of_article_milestones--Teofilo talk 10:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads up. I struck out my votes and left a message on Ronald20's talk page. Hopefully this was just a mistake of some sort, but we'll have to see what he says about it. siafu 02:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


Thank you so much for pointing that out! I never recalled a date, but the show was 15 years ago, so if you can edit my sentence...or take it out entirely, I'd appreciate it. Mike H. That's hot 08:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


I hadn't seen that page--thanks for pointing it out! I found another, too, when I went to look. Demi T/C 17:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

SAS dab link[edit]

I routinely check for links to the SAS dab page. Your statistics sub-page contains such a link. I didn't correct it due to the request at the top of the page. --Pagrashtak 00:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Random translation request[edit]

Awards and thankings

2002 award

Dcljr participates in work of Serbian Wikipedia, though he is not Serbian Wikipedian, that is Serbian Wikipedianesse. This is why to this person work on other Wikipedias counts as well.

Basically, it's an award granted to everyone who is not Serb but participates on Serbian Wikipedia. Nikola 08:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


Maybe you should check the link to ABD on your user page... 19:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


I am contacting a few choice editors, meaning you :-), in hoping that you may help me in a suggestion I have. I am proposing that the Special:Listusers page be broken up into Users and indefinantly blocked/vandal accounts. I want to know your input on my suggestion. — Moe ε 16:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Special:Listusers already gives the option(s) to list bots, sysops, bureaucrats, stewards, developers, users with checkuser status, and two other types of users I'm not familiar with. I assume you'd be requesting that one or two other "groups" be provided: banned/blocked users and possibly regular users (none of the above)? If so, I guess I'd support that. Not sure where this should be discussed/proposed... I'd say Wikipedia talk:Special pages, but that sees hardly any actual discussion. Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) is probably better. — Whoops, I see you've already done that. - dcljr 05:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


I can assure you that editing a page (and not changing anything) and then saving will be a null edit (see Help:Null_edit#Null_edit) - and nothing will show up in the history. If you find an example I would be very interested.--Commander Keane 23:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much ![edit]

I was very upset yesterday.I have difficulties with editing and I was wondering may be deliting it till I learn all about "wikipipeding".... Thanks again.Zulka 12:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Over Dispersion[edit]

You mention overdispersion on your statistics page (among many other things). FYI I have mentioned the term under poisson regression. BrendanH 22:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Multilingual statistics - colour change[edit]

Yes, I'm happy to change the colour - I think aqua is better. I'll get around to it in the next 48 hours - right now I'm too busy just uploading all the latest statistics (plus adding a few more languages to the tables). But I'll do it - thanks for the suggestion.


hola! thanks for the help, i will ask if more is needed:) Joshh 22:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog[edit]

In answer to your query, it was not a "guess". It was merely a factual observation. From a corporate point of view, a non-threatening phrase is "preferrable" to a controversial one. Period. I didn't say that it was necessarily the ONLY innoffensive phrase, just that it was better than many others. If you want to see what I mean, check out the other pangrams and you'll note that some of them are simply too offensive or aggressive to be included in any piece of mass-market software. Note that I wasn't making a specific statement in regards to a *specific*, documented decision that you can point to. It is just a very simple statement made on basic marketing principles, meant to modestly educate the reader so that they can understand the coporate standpoint that Microsoft was coming from. LearningKnight 20:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Kanji: "Good Enough?"[edit]

I think you must have been joking when you suggested nominating Kanji for featured article status in November last year. The article is apallingly written. I've cleaned it up a little, but it's still not "featured article" material. Bathrobe 04:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you, Dcljr, this is the easiest to follow tables reference for wiki markup that I've found. >>sparkit|TALK<< 22:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


You recently changed MediaWiki:Prefs-help-email to read (added text in bold):

* E-mail (optional): Enables others to e-mail you from your user or user talk page, without revealing your e-mail address. It will be revealed when you use the "E-mail this user" feature. Please note that if you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.

When I read this recently, I thought it was a mistake because it seemed self-contradictory ("will the address be revealed or won't it?"). A better wording might be something like:

* E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.

It's more wordy, but less susceptible to misinterpretation, I think. - dcljr (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's better. I changed it to your suggestion. I knew my changes did not have a good enough wording, which is why I asked on the Village pump for a better wording before doing the change; unfortunately, nobody suggested any change. --cesarb 16:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the old text is back which totally confused me so I found this discussion and by reading the revised text above I am now more secure about entering my email address. Tonyfv 00:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Moving Peanuts to Peanuts (comic strip)[edit]

Hi. I think anyone can do this move and swap the two ends of a redirect, but only if the target has a trivial page history: Help:Moving a page#Moving over a redirect. LambiamTalk 20:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC) is now[edit]

Soon enough? I think I got them all. --Ant 21:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Wording issues again[edit]

A user left a message on my talk page about the wording of MediaWiki:Emailforlost (I figure that's what he was talking about, even though he's following up on our discussion of MediaWiki:Prefs-help-email, the wording of which hasn't changed since you took my suggestion back in April). So I'd like to suggest a change to MediaWiki:Emailforlost, also (my edit in bold): "* E-mail address is optional; no confirmation is required. However, giving your e-mail address allows other users to send you mail, and enables you to request password reminders. We won't reveal your address to anyone, unless you use the "E-mail this user" feature to send mail to another user." A little redundant, perhaps, but I think it drives the point home a little more clearly. - dcljr (talk) 05:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

While I'm also not sure what he's talking about, I've implemented your change. It's not redundant; someone might interpret "using the feature" as "enabling the reception of email", and not only as "sending email", and your change clearly points to which of those two interpretations is what is meant. --cesarb 15:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Elyse Sewell quote[edit]

You "uncensored" the profanity-laden rant in the article on Elyse Sewell. I believe it was originally added in censored form because that's how the show presented it. Is it publicly available anywhere in uncensored form? (The DVD release, perhaps?) If not, we may want to keep the censored version. - dcljr (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I "uncensored" it purely based on what was extremely likely to have been bleeped, given the letters that were provided. I haven't actually watched the DVD release, so I suppose it would be better to keep it censored. Coltonblue 01:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Coltonblue


Fixed, thanks. Ral315 (talk) 12:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Signpost RSS[edit]

Ral315 set up the RSS feed, so he's the one to talk to, I believe. I don't have access and wouldn't know what to do anyway, so that's part of why it's not on the current issue, since I've had to fill in for him this week and possibly next. Sorry I can't help, hopefully he can straighten it out when he's back. --Michael Snow 16:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Color images[edit]

I responded to your question here: [1]

html tables[edit]

I would find it helpful if you showed the what the pipes stood for in html in your first table Sweecoo 23:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Why's the Mobile phone article protected -- a guess[edit]

I don't know the answer for sure but I'm guessing it's because that article has been a spam magnet. Just a guess. --A. B. 01:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Mobile phone has been unprotected, lets see what happens. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Taxi[edit]

I've modified the changes you made to the disambiguation page Taxi, and just wanted to let you know why. The Manual of Style for disambiguation pages describes how disambiguation pages should be laid out, and standardizes this. The introductory line should be bolded, not italicized (see MoS:DP#Introductory_line), and when there are longers lists of things, such as on this disambiguaiton page, only the subject need be bolded (see MoS:DP#Longer_lists). If you have any questions about the changes or about disambiguation pages in general, feel free to ask! -- Natalya 18:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello, Dcljr!

On the off chance that you're still interested in working on the statistics article, I'll be glad to help you push a more rigorous approach. Oh – I have about 30 years' experience as an actuary. So I probably have more of an "applied statistician" bent than you'd like to see. On the other hand, I have had lots of arguments with other actuaries because I do not hesitate to criticize their methods as unscientific when fundamental rules of rigor in analysis – or objectivity in data collection procedures – are violated. Eventually I became more or less disgusted with the whole crew. So maybe we could have some fun together.

Have a great day!  ;^> DavidCBryant 01:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm nominating "Watt (disambig)" for deletion[edit]

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Comparison of Windows and Linux[edit]

Hey, I see that you helped out in the article. Thanks :) A few of us work on the article a little bit every few days, and as a result we often miss the small stuff. Please feel free to join in the discussions and keep editing the page if you would like. Welcome. Hendrixski 22:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Table of divisors at Afd[edit]

Table of divisors has been nominated for deletion. The history and talk page shows you are the main contributer to the current version so I thought you should be notified. PrimeHunter 22:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of guests on The Majority Report[edit]

List of guests on The Majority Report, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of guests on The Majority Report satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guests on The Majority Report and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of guests on The Majority Report during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Realkyhick 04:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Two floating tables?[edit]

Followed a link from MediaWiki to Help:Table the found your page about redoing the table page. On the off chance you might know, have a question on layout and dealing with tables, if you don't mind? What I am trying to do is get two separate tables, one landscape across the page that then butts up against the second which is portrait on the right. For the life of me, can't work out how to do this. Starting to think it isn't, as all the examples I find that are something similar use two cells in a table row, which isn't appropriate for this set up. Any insight, if you happen to have any, would be greatly appreciated. Have asked on MW, but no response to date ( - mw:Dr DBW

Short answer: I don't know. Longer answer: See mw:User talk:Dr DBW. - dcljr (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer. Gives me something to check out and see if that can fix it :-) Thanks. -- 04:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Fashionable Nonsense[edit]

I saw your name on the talk page. I'd like some feedback on how it's going now. ThanksMarkAnthonyBoyle 18:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:MarkAnthonyBoyle#More Fashionable Nonsense. - dcljr (talk) 18:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! :-) MarkAnthonyBoyle 21:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Top Model interview![edit]

Since you've edited the Top Model article, I figured you may be interested in contributing questions for this interview. Message me back and tell me what you think! Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 00:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Dcljr: I needed that.[edit]

2nd verse is something like the first:

Thanks, Dcljr.
This needed that.
~~ Wortschätzer (talk) 03:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Peg Entwistle Discussion[edit]

How does saying, "some one needs to get a life" reflect a positive suggestion about the content of the Entwistle Wiki? Where I come from this is an insulting comment directed at an individual. This is why I removed the unsigned comment. I did not remove the unsigned comment because of the question of including info about the death of Robert Entwistle.

However, let me say that I in fact do have a life. The biography of Peg Entwistle is my life. Her family thinks it a fine life and has been very gracious and generous with photos, letters, diaries and a host of other items. In addition, three other authors and a film maker think my life a fine life and have validated my life by crediting me in their projects as a research consultant regarding Peg Entwistle.

As to the inclusion of the death of Peg Entwistle's father, I think it important to not only include his death and the circumstances behind it, I think it's also important to mention the death of her mother and step-mother. After all, if sayyyy, Bette Davis suffered the death of two mothers and a father by the time she was fourteen, don't you think Wiki readers would want to know? The problem I see with Wiki is that too many of us editors are more concerned with ego and vindictiveness than with presenting an informative synopsis for the reader.

Commenting on what is or isn't relative to a Wiki is one thing; following the comment with "some one needs to get a life" is quite another thing altogether. Jameszerukjr (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you know that my "improving the article" remark (from edit summary) was in regards to the rest of the anon user's comment, before the final "get a life" line. As for the rest of your comments, I don't really care about your status as her biographer, whether you have a life, or even whether the anon's viewpoint about the article was actually correct. I was only responding to what I believed was an inappropriate talk page edit. - dcljr (talk) 04:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, no, I didn't know any such thing. I have been constantly rebuffed and deleted ever since I had words with a blogger on another site and who then vandalized the article. My edits of the Entwistle article went unchallenged for months. Then after the vadalisim (which began minutes after my quarrel with the blogger), my edits were suddenly not up to Wiki standards--the article "too much this," and "not enough that." I don't trust a single one of you anymore. It's been a nightmare trying to work with Wiki editors and trying to tell the truth about this girl. It is amazing the bad vibes I get in reply to my trying to qualify myself as to why my contributions regarding Entwistle should be considered. Amazing. Jameszerukjr (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Democratic debate table cleanup[edit]

Hello, thanks for cleaning up the Democratic Party (United States) presidential debates, 2008 article. If you could do the same for the Republican Party (United States) presidential debates, 2008 article that would be appreciated. I jerry rigged these tables earlier as the debates were still going on and it would be nice to have an easy to glance historical record at who showed up where. Thank you! Calwatch (talk) 18:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

After 3 months, I have finally done it. - dcljr (talk) 19:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Please do not remove coordinate boxes[edit]

Dear Dcljr, please do not edit out cooordinate boxes from pages. They display coordinates automtically at the top of the page, which may seem as if it is duplicated. If you remove the box, no coordinates will be displayed at all. Best regards, Xenonice (talk) 05:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Mavis Leno[edit]

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RfD nomination of Wikipedia:List users[edit]

I have nominated Wikipedia:List users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many ottersOne hammerHELP) 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

{{source needed}} added to lead paragraph of Firefly (TV series)[edit]

I am confused by your recent edit to Firefly (TV series) where you tagged a phrase in the lead paragraph with {{source needed}}. I thought it was an accepted (possibly recommended) style to avoid cluttering the lead with citations, particularly for statements which are repeated, with citation, in the body. (I don't recall where I read this -- one of the MOSs I assume -- but I can search for it if you like.) Your edit comment, "source needed in lead", left me wondering if you were questioning this practice, or if you simply hadn't noted the expanded and sourced quote farther down the page. -- Thinking of England (talk) 07:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Someone else just reverted your edit using the same reasoning. -- Thinking of England (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
WP:LEADCITE states "The verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and quotations, should be cited." and wp:bop: "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." It was challenged [2] [3] and is a quote. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-07-05t10:09z
Granted, I haven't reviewed our citations policy lately, but it seems to me that citing a quote dozens of paragraphs after it (first) appears is simply not acceptable. - dcljr (talk) 04:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN/doc reply[edit]

A while back, you left me a message asking about what I meant by that passage. Basically, there had been a bit of confusion among some admins in that bits which would be removed or restored for balance would offset the look of the MP. One admin would see it as balanced, while another wouldn't and would insert or further remove information. To avoid confusion, I just thought it would be better to clarify that, even if it looks off, it should be left alone. And yeah, standard pertains to the 4:3 crowd. Hope that clarifies things! Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 18:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Evolution as theory and fact[edit]

I groaned when I saw all your changes to Evolution as theory and fact in my watch list (because there has been so much misguided nonsense added in that area). But your work was sensational! Thanks for improving my mood. Johnuniq (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

From Punjabi Wikipedia[edit]

Please see [4] --Khalid Mahmood (talk) 14:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


Yeah, that's an improvement. Thanks! — goethean 12:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Uncertainty theory[edit]

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Uknown American Presidents Task Force?[edit]

Hi Dcljr! I am thinking about starting an "Unknown Presidents" task force and I noticed that you are an active contributor at WP:USPREZ articles. I was wondering if you would like to join me in starting this task force. The following Presidents would be included:

Our Mission: To expand the knowledge of the "Unknown Presidents." Specifically getting all these articles to GA class or higher. Let me know what you think. Thanks! --Schwindtd (talk) 15:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Announcements[edit]

Thanks, fixed now (I think) - it won't readd. - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 17:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for bringing back the obfuscation section...I really didn't want to permanently remove it (which is why I just commented it out), but I was trying to address the "short stubby subsection" issue raised at Talk:Perl/GA1. I'd like to expand it, but there don't seem to be too many published sources for it beyond this. Anyway, I'm glad to see someone else working on the article now; I think it's pretty close to GA standards again! Feezo (Talk) 21:44, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

"Better wording?" on Star Trek: The Next Generation[edit]

In answer to your question: Heavens, yes! Good catch! Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 12:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The exact edit I used that summary on was a decidedly modest change, but I'm happy you approved. [g] Your latest edit, however, was much more significant and necessary. Thanks for reworking that bothersome paragraph! - dcljr (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
And thank you, too, sir! That one hit one of my pet peeves. Now, let's see how long it lasts before someone messes with it ;-) — UncleBubba T @ C ) 01:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Robin Hunicke's title[edit]

Hi. I reverted your change of Robin Hunicke's title from "the producer" to "Producer Extraordinaire", per WP:PEACOCK. I realize she is called "Producer Extraordinaire" on her company's web site, but although I can see this as an acceptable source for identifying her as an employee of the company, I feel we need to draw the WP:SELFPUB line at copying puffy job titles. To be perfectly honest, I'm not really convinced Ms. Hunicke is sufficiently notable to have her own Wikipedia article at all; I'm inclined to propose that a summary of this content should be merged into thatgamecompany's article (including probably her photo, which I will note was recently recognized as a Featured Picture). Richwales (talk · contribs) 01:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


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About your deletion request on sahwikisource[edit]

Hello Dcljr,

I just deleted your user page sah:s:Кыттааччы:Dcljr. You can now log in an create it again !

Cordially, -- Quentinv57 (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: Reversion on University of Houston article[edit]

The following are excerpts from Wikipedia:Manual of Style (linking) which are relevant to your edit that you had made to the lead section of the University of Houston article. I only included the points that are relevant to your edit. If you need for me to explain each of the wikilink and its relation to the points below, then let me know and I will do so. If you go look at the lead section of the Houston article, you might think it is underlinked. As you can see, only Houston-related articles are linked in the lead section so that readers will not be distracted. The UH article only links UH-related articles, unless an ambiguous term is introduced. The idea is the get readers to at least read through the lead section without being distracted by articles that are not related to the topic that they have stumbled upon. –RJN (talk) 05:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

  • When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link, as in [[Public university|public]] [[research university]] (public research university).

Lead section[edit]

Too many links can make the lead hard to read. In technical articles that use uncommon terms, a higher-than-usual link density in the lead section may be necessary. In such cases, try to provide an informal explanation in the lead, avoiding using too many technical terms until later in the article—see WP:Make technical articles accessible and point 7 of WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal.

What generally should not be linked[edit]

An article is said to be overlinked if it links to words that can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia. Overlinking should be avoided, because it makes it difficult for the reader to identify and follow links that are likely to be of value.[1] Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article,

  • Avoid linking plain English words.
  • Avoid linking the names of major geographic features and locations, nations, languages, religions, and common professions.

What generally should be linked[edit]

An article is said to be underlinked if words are not linked that are needed to aid understanding of the article. In general, links should be created to:

  • relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully (see the example below). This can include people, events and topics that already have an article or that clearly deserve one, so long as the link is relevant to the article in question.
  • articles with relevant information.
  • articles explaining technical terms, jargon or slang expressions—but you could also provide a concise definition instead of or in addition to a link.
  • proper names that are likely to be unfamiliar to readers.

An example article[edit]

For example, in the article on supply and demand:

  • almost certainly link "microeconomics" and "general equilibrium theory", as these are technical terms that many readers are unlikely to understand at first sight;
  • consider linking "price" and "goods" only if these common words have technical dimensions that are specifically relevant to the topic.
  • do not link to the "United States", because that is an article on a very broad topic with no direct connection to supply and demand.
  • definitely do not link "potato", because it is a common term with no particular relationship to the article on supply and demand, beyond its arbitrary use as an example of traded goods in that article.

'Private' vs 'public'[edit]

Maybe you're confusing the notion of the English "Public school", which applies only to secondary schools. Other than that, I've never seen a public institution ever being referred to as "private", nor have I seen a private university ever referred to as a "public university". --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 01:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough... - dcljr (talk) 02:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.[edit]

As you can see, the MOS:linking has been taken over by a small number of delinking nutcases who are impervious to all reason. What is to be done? -- cheers, Michael C. Price talk 11:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:List of publications intro[edit]

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Thank you for your advice[edit]

Thank you for your advice on my recent edits. Were you saying that I got the edit summary of "Facebook" wrong and the edit summary of "Mock the Week" correct? Quite often, I do not bother with edit summaries - I know that the question of whether it should be compulsory to do edit summaries has been a subject at Let me know if I have misunderstood anything, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Help: Works of Jayne Mansfield[edit]

The page looks pretty awkward

Looking at the fact that you are good with tables, as well as content, I find you to be the only editor I have found who can help. Works of Jayne Mansfield has a number of tables that need to be edited. I have forked it out of Jayne Mansfield some time back (the mother article is on it's way to FAC, and another fork is already a GA). But, my grasp on tables is tentative at best.

These table have too many columns (some up to seven columns). Reducing down of columns may be very useful. Not everyone has a wide screen. Besides, width of the columns are pretty goofy. That needs to be fixed as well. Please, see what you can do. I, of course, will be available to answer any question.

P.S. I promise to work on filling up all empty cells with appropriate content. So don't worry about empty cells, not yet. With nurturing this one could become an FLC alright. The material is quite available. Aditya(talkcontribs) 09:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm going through other tables now. If you don't mind, I might pop in from time to time to ask more specific questions. You have already saved much pain by suggesting the colspan thing and the notes idea. Aditya(talkcontribs) 14:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

List of Australian Aboriginal languages[edit]

  • Tks. Will fix other lists similarly in a few days or so. – Ling.Nut3 (talk) 23:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Help Survey[edit]

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University of Houston[edit]

Carnegie Foundation's Research Classification[edit]

The Carnegie Foundation classifies the University of Houston as a Tier One research university.[5][6][7][8] This is the highest classficiation of research universities. The designation makes UH one of only three Tier One state research universities in Texas. The Carnegie Foundation's Tier One research classification is not the same thing as the "Tier 1" National University Rankings in U.S. News & World Report.

The text in the Education in Texas article asserts that Texas has three Tier One state research universities: The University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University, and the University of Houston. This statement is correct as the Carnegie Foundation classifies these three institutions in its highest category of research universities.

RJN (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

U.S. News & World Report Ranking[edit]

No where in the text—at the time of the talk page posting—does the Education in Texas article asserts that the University of Houston is Tier 1 in the National University Rankings of U.S. News & World Report; howevever, it is now. The Carnegie Foundation's "Tier One" research classification is not the same thing as the "Tier 1" National University Rankings in U.S. News & World Report.

The U.S. News & World Report ranks the university No. 184 (Tier 1) in its National University Rankings, and is No. 103 among top public universities.[9][10] It was ranked Tier 2 in previous years, but is now Tier 1 in the latest rankings!

RJN (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


The University of Houston is a Carnegie-designated Tier One research university, and is now Tier 1 in the National University Rankings of U.S. News & World Report.

You should read the text in the article and check its sources next time, prior to relying on misinterpretation and outdated information on the talk page.

RJN (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

See my reply that you reverted away from the article's talk page and you'll see that I essentially said the same thing. The issue is not whether UH is actually tier-one or tier-two, it's that you keep reverting the other user's (and now my) comment(s) away instead of replying to them, which is not an appropriate use of article talk pages. If you can post the above explanation to this page, you can put it on the article's talk page. Please do that after undoing your latest revert. - dcljr (talk) 03:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


Could you take a look at

The "one link" rule/enforcement has gotten out of hand, I'm trying to get something closer to rationality. ThanksBoundlessly (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Account on voy:en[edit]

Hey, would you please try to log on to voy:en now, I think it should work now. --Peter Talk 08:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Confusing once-reverted instructions are back[edit]

I see that you once reverted away the quite confusing "instructions" at Category:Language user templates. Would you like to take another crack at them? (They were re-added by an anon editor [with an oddly misleading edit summary] two months after your revert.) I was going to beg on the talk page that they be re-written, but now that I see the page history... perhaps they should simply be done away with again? - dcljr (talk) 09:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Removed the non-category-related text. (There were also several condemnatory discussions concerning the editor in question to not unilaterally add such "rules" at WT:BABEL, as I recall.)
If you receive further queries concerning use, just point them to WP:USERBOX. - jc37 18:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Milestone statistics[edit]

I've reverted your edit to Wikipedia:Milestone statistics. The people who maintain this table (including me) have chosen not to track as many milestones as the table at Meta (some relevant discussion can be seen in Wikipedia talk:Milestone statistics/Archive). If you'd like to lobby for doing things differently, please bring it up on the talk page. I help to maintain both tables and can vouch for the fact that the table here at Wikipedia is just as correct as the one at Meta, it just doesn't contain as many levels. - dcljr (talk) 02:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting me to your reversion,
I don't udesrtand why you don't have a update of Wikipedia:Milestone statistics. Your numbers are very old, and I don't see the interest to have numbers very old. Now, there is 4,000,000 articles in English, no 2,000,000 !
But, if you think have numbers very old is good, it's your choice.
Excuse me for my bad english, but I'm a French contributor
--Juanes852 (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Replied on your talk page. - dcljr (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
+1 --Juanes852 (talk) 14:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

Hello, first of all I should tell you that I have looked all over wikipedia for a way to edit the table below and get it to display correctly but haven't found a way in any of the table help pages. I'm not sure if this is a valid request to post on your talk page but I would really appreciate it if you please looked it over and advised a solution. Basically, what I cannot achieve is for the header "Posición" to display up on top just like "Puntos", and if possible at all to mimic the colors displayed on the body of the table. My intention is to replace the table on

Thanks for your help. --Proxymo (talk) 04:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this what you're trying to do? (I've also changed the column widths so they add up to 100%.) - dcljr (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
# Local Res. Visita Sede Fecha Edición Puntos Posición Avanzó
Mty Tig Mty Tig
1 Mty 0-1 Tig Uni Mié. 06/Jun/79 1978/79, gruposI 40 48 --
2 Tig 1-1 Mty Uni Sáb. 16/Jun/79
3 Tig 1-4 Mty Uni Mié. 04/Jun/03 Cla. 03, semifinalII 34 34 Mty
4 Mty 1-2 Tig Tec Sáb. 07/Jun/03
5 Tig 1-0 Mty Uni Mié. 07/Dic/05 Ape. 05, semifinal 35 22 Mty
6 Mty 2-1 Tig Tec Sáb. 10/Dic/05
7 Mty 1-0 Tig Tec Mié. 08/May/13 Cla. 13, 4tos de finalIII 23 35 Mty
8 Tig 1-1 Mty Uni Sab. 11/May/13


Oh, no don't look the message for the Babel templates. There is in User language? Iggoul2 (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment. Maybe you could say it in Spanish? Between the English and Spanish versions, I might be able to figure out what you're asking. - dcljr (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Hellow, I tampoco entiendo you comment. If tengo razón sobre lo que me quieres decir, digo que me refiero a que the message's location is m:Meta:Babel. Pensabas que decía que the message's location is m:User language?
  • Green words is no translate word. You have translate the words in green color.
    Thank you Iggoul2 (talk) 00:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Sorry if me confundí in algunas words.
I pass the message to Spanish translation:
Oh, no, no busque el mensaje de las plantillas Babel. Hay en User language? Iggoul2 (Discusión) 00:02, 8 de junio de 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oh... I wasn't expecting English and Spanish in the same sentence! :-)

My translation:

  • Hellow, I tampoco entiendo you comment.Hello, I can't understand your comment either.
  • If tengo razón sobre lo que me quieres decir,If I am correct about what you want me to say,
  • digo que me refiero a que the message's location is m:Meta:Babel.I say that I mean the message's location is m:Meta:Babel.
  • Pensabas que decía que the message's location is m:User language?You thought that I said that the message's location is m:User language?

My reply:

Unfortunately, now I am not sure what message you are referring to. Yours? Mine? Another message that I or you were referring to? Maybe we should just start over: My answer, in English, to your original question is at m:Meta talk:Babel#Name. I assumed that you were asking why m:Meta:Babel is not related to the Babel language templates, so I tried to explain that it's because the discussion forum at m:Meta:Babel had that name before the Babel templates existed — the implication being that no one has wanted to change the name of the forum since that time. Since you requested an answer in Spanish, I used Google Translate to translate my answer (I changed a few phrases to try to get a better translation), and posted it on your talk page at es:Usuario Discusión:Iggoul2#m:Meta:Babel. The second sentence in my answer, starting with "En la parte superior", was not actually a response to your question, but instead was a general comment about how we (editors of Meta) could avoid possible confusion in the future by including instructions in other languages at the top of m:Meta:Babel about where the Babel templates can be found. (Currently those instructions are only in English.) Ironically, I think that part of my answer was what caused your confusion. If you are still confused, please reply here and I will answer here.
Español (~)
Lamentablemente, ahora no estoy seguro de cuál es el mensaje que se está refiriendo. ¿Tuyo? ¿Mío? Otro mensaje para que yo o que se refería? Tal vez deberíamos empezar de nuevo: Mi respuesta, en Inglés, a su pregunta original está en m:Meta talk:Babel#Name. (Asumí que estabas preguntando por qué X no está relacionado con las plantillas de idiomas Babel, así que traté de explicar que es porque el foro de discusión en el X tenía ese nombre antes de que las plantillas Babel existían — lo que implica que nadie ha querido cambiar el nombre del foro ya ese momento.) Desde que solicitó una respuesta en español, he usado Google Translate para traducir mi respuesta (he cambiado algunas frases para tratar de conseguir una mejor traducción), y publicado en su página de discusión en es:Usuario Discusión:Iggoul2#m:Meta:Babel. La segunda frase de mi respuesta, a partir de "En la parte superior", no era en realidad una respuesta a su pregunta, sino que era un comentario general sobre cómo nosotros (editores de la Meta-Wiki) podríamos evitar posibles confusiones en el futuro mediante la inclusión de instrucciones en otros idiomas en la parte superior de la m:Meta:Babel de donde la plantillas de Babel se pueden encontrar. (En la actualidad esas instrucciones son sólo en Inglés). Irónicamente, creo que esa parte de mi respuesta fue la causa de su confusión. Si todavía está confundido, por favor, responda aquí y voy a responder aquí.

- dcljr (talk) 05:46, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I guess I'm confused. Add section, is not on this topic but it's been spoken on the subject:

Response user[edit]

Oh, and to let you know something, when I answer here, put on my talk the {{Respuesta}} template . This template has been created for when users respond in their own discussion. Also if you always answer your argument, you can place the {{Respuesta usuario}} template. Then, other users will be advised of that you will answer in your discussion and receive the {{Respuesta}} template. But not if you wish to make an English version:

  1. Go to sandbox or es:Wikipedia:Zona de pruebas.
  2. Select a sandbox: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Look if sandboxes color is red. If is red, please wait. If is green, go to green's sandbox.
  3. Insert code in footer of sandbox: {{subst:Respuesta usuario}}
  4. Save changes.
  5. Edit sandbox.
  6. Translate the Spanish words to English.
  7. Move the code to you talk page, say, this page. The code in the page's top location.
  8. Save changes.

Careful, do not know if there is a template here. Response template use in the Spanish Wikipedia, if template in this wiki, no can't use.
Iggoul2 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC) PS (Postscript): Nor if multiple sandboxes in this wiki!

#switch in #babel[edit]

Use switch to order the babel table. It is also the same, no matter what code is used. You may use more complicated code to create and edit my pages. Thank you, but I choose not to shorten it. Iggoul2 (talk) 15:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, I can easily translate the comments by the translator of Google, but I need to copy and paste your comment on a new page, because as use Google Chrome, I asked if I translate English to Spanish pages, so give "yes" and I understand your comment, because it translates. Iggoul2 (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
It confused me in en-4, well yes it much English at a professional level, but I forgot some words in English and I got tired of translating. Also, keep in mind that I do not know all the words in English. Therefore, the en-4 was correct. Iggoul2 (talk) 15:49, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Bot BoulaurBot on OC wikipedia - WIKIDATA STUBS[edit]

Hi, let the oc wikipedia community decide please. My unapproved bot had more than 40 000 page created not reverted by local community (french commune...) and 200 000 edits.

On wikidata approved bot: 34 000 edits.

The content of the articles is from wikidata using mainly the INFOBOX: a lot of stubs, some with more informations.

PLEASE let the local community decide

Boulaur (talk) 04:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

My post at oc:Wikipèdia:La tavèrna#Bot created stubs is the last action I intend to take on the matter — and I only did that because of the particularly poor quality of the articles the bot was creating. (To avoid problems like this in the future, you really should modify what you're doing to enable your bot to create higher-quality articles.) Obviously, I have no control over what cross-wiki admins/bureaucrats might decide to do, but as I stated in my post, I have already left it to others to decide. - dcljr (talk) 07:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[edit]

Dear Dcljr, on your user page on mt.wikipedia you use an unresolved template Mudell:Nobots. Can we delete it? Thanks and regards Leli Forte (talk) 21:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Speed of light[edit]

Thanks for this edit. In fact, slower speed limits are known for spaceships, so your edit was not only more precise but more correct. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Photo requests in Austin[edit]

Do you do photograph requests in Austin? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

No, sorry. - dcljr (talk) 23:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok. I'll check to see if there are others in Austin who are interested in doing it. Happy editing! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The 20-20 Vision of Wales Challenge[edit]

Bore da! And thanks for joining the Welsh language Wicipedia earlier on. Can I draw your attention to the 20-20 Challenge we have based on a few Welsh places and icons? I would very much like your support by writing a few of the missing articles in any language, should you wish. Many thanks and - diolch yn fawr! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 06:28, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Fields Medal page[edit]

Hello there,I'm that user who's been the victim of editing the Fields Medal page(i.e.I got blocked with charge of Vandalism.).I've got three question:1)When the current protected status of that page ends,Does the page current contents remain in place or they are replaced with the old version? 2)I've prepared a new and somehow comprehensive table about Fields medalists.I posted this table on the discussion section of the Fields Medal page,and I request for comments about this(If You come there and see my that table I will be really glad,and don't forget to put your comment about it down there!;-)),but so far,just one person did so.Is it normal? 3)Should I submit a request for edit to replace the new table with current one?Or should I wait for reaching a consensus?Thank You. Rezameyqani (talk) 07:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC) Rezameyqani (talk) 08:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

My answers:
  1. When the page protection ends, the content doesn't change until an editor decides to change it.
  2. It is normal for a suggestion/question on a talk page to get fewer responses (including none) than one would like. Just wait and maybe more people will respond.
  3. If it looks like no one objects to your suggestion in a reasonable time (a couple of days?) then you should submit an edit request. Oh, I didn't notice it was an official RFC; so, not a couple of days; a lot longer.
My perspective, anyway. - dcljr (talk) 00:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
@dcljr Thank you for your generousness.Rezameyqani (talk) 06:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
@dcljr Since I'm a newbie(:-)),I don't know how to make a table sortable.Would you mind making the table in Fields Medal talk page sortable?(i.e. the table which I proposed and you commented about it)Thank You.Rezameyqani (talk) 06:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Done. - dcljr (talk) 10:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia Milestones[edit]

Hello, i want to update a milestone same wikis. From Wikimedia News, i want to update 5 milestones from Wikiquotes, Wikibooks, Wikisources, Wikinews, Wikiversities and Wikivoyages. It's possible please ? (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. - dcljr (talk) 01:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
I love my revision by Dcljr. I want to save some article for example : Mathematics theme. We're together, ok ? (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
If you mean your revision to Wikipedia:Milestone statistics, I don't share your enthusiasm. (Note: The comment above was moved from another section where it didn't seem to have any relevance to the discussion there.) I have reverted your change. The table at Wikipedia:Milestone statistics is completely up to date and consistent with the information at m:Wikimedia News#Wikipedias. The only difference is that the table at Meta tracks more milestone levels. If you want to convince people to do it another way, post about it on the relevant talk page. Someone else has reverted most of your other recent edits, and I agree with their actions. Even though you reverted the articles in question back to previous versions of mine, all of your edits lowered the quality of the articles. Please consider your edits more carefully. - dcljr (talk) 01:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 1977 in home video[edit]

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Edits to article "Comparison between U.S. states and countries by GDP (nominal)"[edit]

Hello. I noticed your recent edits to the article Comparison between U.S. states and countries by GDP (nominal) , adding link labels to the category links. That's not conventional Wikipedia style, it's not an accurate label of where the links lead, and doesn't even seem to have worked. What are you trying to accomplish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocRuby (talkcontribs) 19 March 2015‎

Actually, it is Wikipedia style. They're called sortkeys, and they control the order in which things are listed in the relevant categories. Without them, articles such as "Comparison of Xs", "List of Xs", and "Xs in Y" would appear in the category under "C" and "L" and "X", respectively, instead of all appearing together under the actual topic "X". It is sometimes difficult to choose the right sortkey, but the category title and its actual contents usually determines which one will work best. - dcljr (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Changes to Wikimedia News page counts[edit]


You recently changes the contents of Wikimedia News in a rather grand way. I can't even wrap my head around how it's possible that an article counter could have a 98% inaccuracy. The Signpost has been using this page for a long time now to keep abreast of project milestones, and so it's a significant concern to us that so many of our milestones may be flatly wrong. I wanted to speak with you and ask if you could provide a detailed summary of the issue and how it's been resolved, perhaps one publishable as a short lead story in our pages? I saw your extensive notes from 2012 but am not sure how to interpret them in the context of your most recent changes. Thanks, ResMar 03:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: I am cross-posting this all over the place because I am never sure, when contacting people on Meta, whether or not they will respond in a timely manner; I know I would not myself.
Replied at m:User talk:Dcljr#Changes to Wikimedia News page counts. - dcljr (talk) 07:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions[edit]

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Interested parties, see Talk:Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions. - dcljr (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Milestone tracking issue[edit]

What're the chances you'll have this ready this week? We generally want to run at least one "special thing" per issue and it's looking like there's room this week. Not that running more than one is bad, but we like to keep things stable issue-to-issue, when we can :). ResMar 22:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Looking pretty good this time. - dcljr (talk) 00:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Great, let me know as soon as possible when you have a draft ready. We have a lot of things floating around in the newsroom right now and I really want to get at least a few of them pinned down. ResMar 20:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


Saw you are playing with graphs - my suggestion - open - hit edit, and click preview. Afterwards, any changes to the graph you make will be shown to you in real time. Doesn't work on other wikis. Good luck :) --Yurik (talk) 19:58, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. But it also works when previewing pages on this wiki. - dcljr (talk) 02:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


You said "keeping the original name is confusing." I misunderstood. Sorry. • ArchReader 12:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I think in a similar way, Justlettersandnumbers misunderstood your original edit. I think everyone can just drop this issue now (I'm speaking here only of Just's revert of your edit to the UNESCO_definitions subpage), lest there be any additional misunderstandings. - dcljr (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I am happily waiting for everyone to drop all issues. • ArchReader 05:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Re:Article recounting[edit]

So, to reply to your request.$9

for set in wikinews wikipedia wikiquote wikisource wikiversity wikivoyage wiktionary; do
  echo $set
  /usr/local/bin/mwscriptwikiset updateArticleCount.php $set.dblist --update

In this case $set becomes wikinews, then wikipedia... through to wiktionary. It's then run on the whole dblist for that project. So it'll be in that order, and then in alphabetical order for each project.


command  => 'flock -n /var/lock/update-article-count /usr/local/bin/update-article-count > /var/log/mediawiki/updateArticleCount.log 2>&1',

It is logged to a file on terbium. So when I have access to my laptop with my SSH keys, I'll have a look at that file. I can't remember what exactly it contains, but I can possibly post a copy somewhere. It doesn't contain any timing data [11], but adding it wouldn't be too difficult to do long term.

It's ages since ran the scripts, so no idea straight off, but again, when I have shell access (later today), I'll try running it on a couple of smaller wikis, and then run it on a larger wiki for you.

Reedy (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

[12] is the version of the log as of "May 21 19:32" (last modified time). Simple maths suggests it takes 14.5 hours to run for all the wikis... Reedy (talk) 21:16, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
@Reedy: That's great to know, thanks. I don't suppose it would be possible to get the contents (or at least the timestamps) of the logs from 21 April 2015 or (even better) 29 March 2015, would it? (I suspect they've been overwritten by the latest one, but one can always hope.) Just knowing the timestamps would be useful to get an idea of the amount of variability involved (i.e., is it 14.5 hours plus or minus 15 minutes, or 14.5 hours plus or minus 2 hours). But if I could get the freshly-recounted article counts from 29 March 2015, that would be great. - dcljr (talk) 00:40, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately those logs aren't rotated (there isn't really anything worth keeping longterm in them, but could be rotated if was deemed necessary. Analytics may have a use for them too). I'll try and run it on some big wikis, and some smaller to give some idea of time. It could be that enwiki, dewiki and such are taking the lions share of the time. Reedy (talk) 03:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Smq[edit]

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Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions. Since you had some involvement with the Lists of endangered languages/UNESCO definitions redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Wheel sieves[edit]

I'm wondering if Paul Pritchard is still alive? Also have you considered using the reduced residue systems modulo the products of the first n primes to easily build the system for the first n+1 primes. Example {6(n)+{1,5}|n=0,1,...,4} - {5,25}? Once arrived at a ladder rung any number can be factored by throwing into the form (bx+r)(by+s) = bz+t where t is congruent to rs mod b. Then it follows that bxy+sx+ry = z. If sx+ry is less than b this separates immediately into two equations sx+ry= z mod b and xy = z div b. When sx+ry>b there are several ways to parametrize the search for factors, one of which eliminates the xy term leaving only a need to know s+r. Clearly the totient of the product of the first n primes grows quickly but there are easy methods for calculating the set {(r,s)|rs mod b = t}, and entirely specific methods of optimization allow exact calculations of the number of steps to factor any number N. I am currently working on wheel sieves and the way in which the sequence of powers of consecutive primes relates to many elements of elementary number theory. I'm afraid I am not as mathematically sophisticated as to use asymptotic methods, but I also do not see the practical value in their use if the goal is simply to factor a specific number. LACornell (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Exposition of bundling[edit]

I like your exposition of bundling (here). But I would add an example (of the use of short cites), and make some minor revisions. Hopefully before it attracts a lot of attention. Not enough time today; I will get back to you on this. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Some alterations I would like to make in your bundling exposition. I suggest these in part for clarification, but also with a view towards their possible inclusion in the documentation.

1- Number the examples. E.g.: "#1: This example ...."
2- Add an example (#2b?) showing use with short cites.
3- Revise or replace your first two "sources" with something more like what would be seen in an article, including an author(s) and date (year).
4- Separate the first two sections (through example six), which describe what bundling is and its variations, and presumably not controversial, from the remaining sections, which are arguable.
5- Change the headers of the first two sections from the faux question style to a definite statement. (I.e., something like "Bundling illustrated", and "Bundling variations".)

Are you okay with these? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but you should probably just copy what I've done, paste it into a new section, and then modify it, rather than trying to change it "in place" (in other words, I'd rather keep an unaltered version of what I wrote). Then interested parties can discuss it further with that goal (possibly adding it to the guidelines) in mind. - dcljr (talk) 02:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to do these to the version that everyone refers to (and before we get many people get to referring to it), and without creating multiple variants. E.g., bold numbering really would make the parts clearer. And I think it is really important to show that bundling applies to short citations as well. If we do these tweaks now it will aid the hoped for discussion on bundling/refn, and (assuming a consensus is reached) and avoid having to explain any post-consensus modifications. How might I talk you into this? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:48, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
So just make your version the "version everyone refers to". Seeing as how I posted my comment almost a week ago, I don't think there's much risk of a bunch of people suddenly coming out of the woodwork now to comment on it. OTOH, if you post a "better" version in a new section — especially one marked and announced as a Request for Comment — then you will almost certainly see more people showing up to weigh in on the matter. (I can also post a short "warning" that editors should discuss the issue further in "your" section after you create it, much like you did in this edit.) Please note that I have not simply dismissed your request without serious consideration: I actually tried making some of the changes you requested (none saved, ultimately), but they were so extensive that it would have completely changed the nature of my comment. That being the case, I really think it would be best to simply "start over" (yet again) with a dedicated "RFC" section formatted exactly the way you want. - dcljr (talk) 03:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I have been trying to avoid attracting any comment until we have something really solid to comment on. And as a multiplicity of variants would be confusing, I would like to build on a single version, namely yours. I don't believe any of my proposed alterations change the nature or essential content of your example, except for items #4 and #5. I think these are warranted in that they remove the recital of "what is" from the parts that may be contested, but please tell me of any qualms you have about that. I think I will try to do these revisions on my Talk page, and then you can see if they are acceptable. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
So see what I have done at my sandbox, implementing my alterations 1, 4, and 5. Most notably, I have split the first six examples that illustrate bundling (and should not be controversial) from the examples you use for your argument. I also made the first two headers declarative. I don't believe these make any substantial change in your comment, or the argument you present, but tell me what you think. (Even if we don't get back to the current discussion I am hoping to get a good example for future use.)
I haven't yet added the short cite example (#2) because I was getting tangled up in the {refn} templates. For an argument against the use of {refn} it is odd to be using it in the examples. I am thinking the examples should be revised to do without it. Does that change anything for you? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Let Me In[edit]

Actually on my DVD version its harder to hear that song sung than on the online version of the ending I've just checked. Certainly less apparent. Thanks for correcting me.--Kieronoldham (talk) 04:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Re: reverts[edit]

user is a crosswiki vandal: see [13] [14], [15], [16]. Thank you. --Euphydryas (talk) 07:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

List of Wikipedians by number of edits[edit]

Just to let you know...You are still last place. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 20:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Shocking. [grin] - dcljr (talk) 23:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Category:Fisheries organizations has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Fisheries organizations, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

On Gymnastics article[edit]

I love your enthusiasm and love of the Gymnastics article however I would like to point out why I changed the heading from International Competitive Gymnastics to FIG Recognized forms. The reason is because the other forms are in fact competitive and most are on an international scale. There is a Men's Rhythmic Gymnastics World Championships held in Japan as well as an Aesthetic Group Gymnastics World Championships and a Wheel Gymnastics World Championships. TeamGym has a European Championships as well. Rather than start an edit war which would bring us nowhere I thought I would bring up these points and allow you to show me your reasoning. Anyone who loves Gymnastics is a friend to me. -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. - dcljr (talk) 02:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, so much I havn't been editing as much as I used to. I will eventually add some sources about the World Championships in each of the disciplines once I find some good sources.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 08:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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